Historic District Review Board - Regular Meeting

there at the meeting. What makes it legal is the three of us, but you also count out. Oh, go ahead. Proceed. Uh, okay. So, we'll call the meeting to order. Um, first up is One Depot Square. You guys want to come up and talk to us?

Sure. Yeah. I'm Ford. Wallace, Scopland, what you want to call it. Always go back forward to full and it's one syllable if you're in the south. If you're in the Atlantic, it's three. Okay. In Atlanta, you are forward here. So, we submitted this first, which you have there. Um and we this is our that's the new

this is the new um we went by the guidance of mostly out of the I think the major uh obstacle was the uh elaborate decor on the on the exterior of the building. This is a greenhouse 25 by 50. It is um all glass thermal and the original that was just in the van last time we were here would look like this. So it did have a lot of extra um and elaborate which is you know in the queen and uh form of of of this style. So what we have gone back and done is remove all the extra uh that seemed to be the the main obstacle on this. Um and through the guidance of all of the other boards that we have seen um the one that was most we've we've we've uh they've all signed off on all the other boards have signed off on everything that we've complied to with them and so we are back here. Al said to go get them to approve it first and then once they got approved then we'd be back here. So wanted to see elevation. We have full elevations front back or

this side and back. Um this gives you every elevation you possibly need up here. This is the ann. And this last request that we got in a couple weeks ago was to compare the elevations of the restrooms and the existing building. This shows the the elaborate accord because I I had to actually hand do this because I got this DWG file China. They don't like that. Sorry. So, this is why you see it all in here. But these are the elevations. This is at um 57. This the highest elevation on this is at 18 ft. However, that includes the 2 feet of this little This is 22 feet.

I'm sorry. Yeah, this is 20. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so we're at 155 on the main structure on the main structure here and this is 14 six of the little pineals that Yeah. What happens is they they actually even call it 18. Um, and we're really at 55. This is a a very small and you'll see in some of the other scale with me. Do you know where the building is before the roof line? That gym is that elevation is 89?

No. No, I mean you're talking about this bottom down or here? You have it on yours.

E before the roof pitches back. It's going to be it's going to be here that we were talking about this part right here. Similar to the roof line of the bottom of this roof. Al, do you have these drawings? You have the drawings, but the the the top of the building is just the roof pitches back. So, I think this is the base you sort of experienced before the roof line shifts. So, it's all good. I'm just It's just data points that are helpful.

Yeah, it's all good. And then this fence is actually the railroad fence now. They're not showing. The front fence is our front fence. And then this the real um it's got to be I mean if we're looking at 14 here you don't have to focus on it. I didn't know. Yeah. Let's have to go through. Let's keep on going.

Okay. Um, we're asked to provide an overhead of the setbacks by the planning board, which we did. We did need to get a um variance because this is tenderly approved that variance. Um, this fence is supposed to stay exactly the same. It is

and just get in into the corner of the the building. building it does. We We wanted to do that so that this would be the only entrance into the patio. Um this is a exit and this is the main entrance and there's a service entrance back here. Um that suffices with the roughly 80 that we see. Um uh this setback is ex is exactly the same as the bill because the building has no setback on this and being that Greg owns all of it. He owns He owns all the property to the next.

Not in not in here. Um concerns of how the buildings react to each other. Something that was really important. Lighting was very important. What we did was all of the majority of the lighting that you see reflected in the trees are coming from the street light. The roof of the structure is no lighting on the roof. The roof is is solid steel as proposed.

Solid. Yeah, it's um it's an aluminum uh cast. Um but there is no lighting above the eve of the um is all down lighting which we'll get to. Um again showing just streetscape and how the buildings react to each other. These are all these trees are existing exactly as they are now. Um, the setbacks are the same. I think I have an overhead. The overhead will show you. You have an overhead, don't you? Yours.

Oh, on this one.

Yeah. amazing. So, this is where we're at right now. So, this is the setback of the restaurant building. This is a setback of the new and we wanted to stay consistent with those two um sidewalk. We have a little overhang of of the roof um on this but that's pretty existent. Um, this was an original. He has a

if she has a number on the original. But yeah, that's where we got that's where we are with the step pass and that's why we we could have um avoided the needing of variance on the back if we just move the building forward. But we thought it was better to keep the buildings in alignment than to move the new building forward then comply with our and not needing a variance. Yeah, your front yard side yards are kind of confusing, right? Because there um Yeah.

for the road. Yeah, there's because there isn't really with the train station being there, there is no backyard because we are uh the restaurant sits on the Yeah. And then in the front it sits on the property line. It's a foot maybe a foot or two off and not where that corner is on the L.

So just trying to keep in consistent. This again was something that was requested by this board was to see how we work with streetscape and how this is the restaurant. That's our new building. Um, and as far as elevations go, there's not a whole lot of we're not any higher or lower than that. This is from Main Street looking back on Depot Square. So, this is our new structure. Can you talk a little bit about the historic context of the train station and what's there now and how it relates to the building?

Sure. So the building uh the train station was built in uh 1889 and it was finished. Um there is no known architect for the building. It is built in the Victorian um Victorian strike. um uh and there is a renaissance uh to it as well. One of the things about the original building is that it stated in a number of books that I read about it is that the building was finished to the standards that it could operate, but no elaboration was ever done to it because Cold Springs couldn't afford it. Um it doesn't mean that it could have or should have or would have. They just didn't have it.

Just didn't. Yeah. So with us trying to somehow keep in context with that building, that building actually was not really has never reached its full potential. Um you know, it's like saying that to be debated. Yeah. Well, I mean it's it's you have exactly the same building in uh Peak Scale and it has a lot of very elaborate and it's the same it's the same structure which also doesn't have a name. Okay. Um and it's mostly just has to do with money. Um owners

Yeah. Um but yeah, it was interesting that they that some some of them do have named architects. And again, what I what I'm trying to what I'm trying to give to you are is what the how the building doesn't really affect and how it actually does enhance the neighborhood. It's a it's a Queen Anne Victorian greenhouse. Um, we have, this unfortunately shows the the decor that we have removed. These, by the way, are really easy to have had to eliminate them because they're just bolted on. And the way we will receive it is the front page of what I should um what this is a night scan of the building.

Can we also um just with the building itself, it sort of it's it um as a train station, it has signage, etc. Can we talk about other elements currently existing on the site that relate to the train station at the historic monument? You talking about the you talking about the the Cold Spring sign and the and the Washington monument. Yeah, that's that stuff. Yeah. When we we would move them to where the village would like. They're not part of this. They just got dropped off. Well, no. the the Washington monument was just put there when no idea.

It's not it's not historically in place on that problem. Somebody it's just like the flag poles was put in in 1960. Um it's not what are you basing that off of? How do you know that? It says it's erected in the 1800s. Which which part? the monument that that says erected by the sons of sons of Washington. Well, the thing to keep in mind as far as the monument is that uh it sits a stride the stream uh which is the cold cold spring that the village is named after. That's why it was placed in that location.

Right now, right now it's buried. It's in a culvert. behind the band stand kind of by the flag pole. Yeah. You you've been at that property. How many places has it been? Uh it's it's been there but I have no idea for how long it's been on the property but moved around the property. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I know I know at some point Tom Tom moved it. I mean Tom did whatever he wanted to do. It's never, as far as I know, it's never had a designated place that I think that is something that would for sure need to be

clearer. Um, it exists on the property and and no one in this room can definitively say when it was placed there, but it's been there for many, many decades and it is something from 1893. So, that's what Kate's kind of I think referencing the importance of of that. Um, the marker for the the village. Yeah. I mean, we have no origins. We would never have any issue making it where I mean where it sits right now is behind a bunch of trees and sitting on a rock. It's behind that gazebo. So if you walk to the side at the moment has space and obviously doesn't

obviously but I don't think that you're obligated to keep it as sort of a public park but it has become somewhat of a public park and that stone and a monument that's accessible when you're in the gazebo or on those two benches on his project propert. Yeah. So I'm not saying it has to be apart but it's definitely there. Yeah. It's not. I'm just curious about where we I know you're saying this the stream is a culvert now, but where where that runs because when we talked about the last meeting, it was that we would donate to the village and that seemed variable at the time. The the stone itself, the the monument this the last time we were here, I was not discuss that monument at all. You're here.

If if you go to the other side of the tracks, you'll see where the stream comes out. that. And also uh I think if you go up there, there are some there is a stream that runs through the properties uh on the west of Depot Square and and uh that's where it starts. I mean the the stream is there and and it continues to run through that area and um you know when we have floods that does in fact um make itself known. So what year is that monument? What? 1893.

Greg, if I could, I mean, it may be an opportunity. Um, since there's more connection with that stream, we could put that monument in a place that celebrates it. We got a plaque that describes the that's what I was wondering is if it was just we put it in a more prominent location if that stream is right at the base of main street. We put it in this area here or on the corner. Yeah, it'd be, you know, right between the the where the bike the bike rack is. Yeah. Like one.

Um they would have obviously much more visible. Um and we've never had an issue with keeping it. Um the building was this this building was built in 1897. Yeah. older than so it's early it's it's after the U so it has the monument is younger than the actual building it's also this building is younger than the the original E that applies to the the station building

no it applies to the uh the uh throughway Which one?

The stream. Um right now that it it sits on a rock like right over here. Um this is again is something that was requested by planning that we have drainage for this and we have I have a better um showing of this drainage here in lighting. This is the only lighting that we have and I'll show you that explains all the lighting as well. Um

the lighting too it would be good. Well, I don't know how I don't know what to focus on. There's a few things, but there'll be interior lighting presumably. So, light loads at night and what that looks like I think is really important because of the glass box. Actually, one of them showed you um or I showed you earlier showed the lighting on side. This is lighting on the side. Um I think we also we talked about the lumen's problem. The street lights are much brighter than what that would produce.

Yeah, that's what I was saying that the the the lighting per se is coming from there. More lighting is coming from the street lights than any of the light that's in here. There's nothing in this building that is over 600 ft long. And all of them are all the light stops. And all of them are facing down. Yeah.

Um this is tempered glass. Um it I mean obviously the amount of glass is going to affect uh the streetscape and that's why I produce this drawing. So you see at night that the street lights produce more light than the actual building would produce. Okay, that's yeah that's helpful. The couch will be good to see as well. Um where are the where is the signage on this? The depot signage. There's no sign.

But where it exists currently? So, are you just on this building on on the depot? The deep? Yeah, the historic um the cold spring sign. Um there's one that I think the depot sign hangs from currently. Um, and then there's the cold spring sign below the the like the like cold springs that they below and against the fence. And there's a tall sign hangs off of that has the sign on it. That was just a sign pole that was put up. Are you talking about the cus right there? Oh, that right there.

That one. And then that I'm curious about that definitely that that one. Yeah, I mean we probably try to figure out a way to move that but have it somewhere close by. the the the actually the the one that is uh bigger and more important that's

it sits up against it basically sits up against this fence right here and we have no plans on moving but the one that just pointed out you don't have an plan for that one yet no it's the if you can call it historic. I don't know. But yeah. So where on this picture does spring emerge? I I've never seen the spring. That's why I was asking Al. Yeah. Al trying to Al the spring emerges from the ground. Are you saying it emerges on the other side of the tracks?

You're on mute. You're on mute. Yes. Uh it emerges from the ground uh on the property which is on the west side of the tracks. The first block on Market Street. I'm trying to think of the um brass monkey just moved from there. The brick building. Say that again. the brick building that the brass monkey was in recently.

No, no, that's that's that used to be the old um the village garage. It's the one that is north of that north of that residence.

Oh, okay. I mean, as far as concerned, as far as just these two signs that you're talking about, we have no issue at all with having them be established. Um, this one we had no uh reason to move it. The one that is the freestanding pole one has moved around a little bit and the monument for having to put it wherever. Yeah, the that seems like I'm curious if where you have all the drainage right at the bottom of Main Street where Maine come together, right? Yeah. Does that have something to do with the stream? Do we

more like overpace roads and runoff? So, I was just I was just curious because it could kind of go around the top of it somehow. No, as a matter of fact, you know, that's something that you should probably uh check out because ultimately it'll affect your uh foundations for this structure. Yeah, it it's it's just it goes into an underground.

That's I again I've never seen it. That's why I'm kind of confused that I honestly thought that was kind of like, you know, they put it there because it just seemed to go there easily. Well, the train station used to be on the other side.

I mean, if if it's like I said, we put that we moved it to the corner of Depot main where the bike rack is now in a more prominent position. So, I'm just curious about what if if there is Right. The back of house is not your frontageyard because your frontage is on your road and so it a little bit anomalous but it feels like that uh that area not an elevated so I don't know the answer but I I think at all and before I'm sure other people have have comments on this board but before we spend too much time getting itself I think the building for me I appreciate how um how you do want to elevate the space and make a more beautiful building on your website it even says that this is like an addition to the culture and train station right it's like it's the culture and train station to the historic monument that's valued for it making and this building to me feels um like it diminishes the section um and I'm not sure what the right solution to that is but while it's a nod to the boundary it's not this is, you know, you can get into sort of the value of historic preservation and sort of how Americans view it. This how Chinese view it and in China um you know it it's all about the celebration and it doesn't have to be historically accurate. It's

more about the facade and um you know there's a a book that Paleri wrote that talks about villagers and villages in China where people sort of dress up and create like a Disney version of historic preservation and they're cool with it. I think here we're much um more sort of pure to the to the materiality and um where that's sourced from and the tectonics and um this feels like it's not respecting even though it's it's I respect that it's a nice looking building but it's not respecting those elements that I think are vital to uh the history of the the village and the history of the building. So, I'm not again sure where that leaves us, but um it concerns me,

but I I have to agree with Kate on this and the fact that you mentioned the con the comparing this train station to the one of Peak Skill and that one's much finer and more elegant. And if this building is a is a offset of that, it doesn't really represent the context of where we were then when that building designed when we were a true working industrial town that didn't have the need apparently to have a fancy train station. So in that this building although it is tracing although it is in a historic district it is not considered a historic significant building. um everywhere that I have read it is does not it is not a historic contributing building nor does it have any elements to it that you would define as having specific historic other than it just exists. Uh I have to agree that it isn't hasn't been nominated to as a separate um historic structure. But uh if you look at the legislation dealing with the district, it is our responsibility to ensure that any changes to any of the structures within the district be appropriate to the district. And I think that's the what we're struggling with right now is that um you know there there is a certain u ambiance that the village has always had and we just have to make sure that any changes that are made uh conform to that ambiance to that overall aesthetic

and and that's what we're struggling with. So whether the structure itself is historic or not and and I have to you know the definition of what is historic I you know you can argue both ways. This is obviously a building that was uh built that has been key to the functioning of this village uh ever since it was put up. So

yeah I mean I I I I would echo all of that. I think um on its own I think it's a very nice looking structure. Um it feels to me that it would be more appropriate on the grounds of a large estate um often a field uh on Bosell's property. Um you know on our on our guidelines when we talk about new construction on page 18 we say um new structures are not required to rigidly mimic an existing style. Local patterns or collections within the district should be reinforced not disrupted or interrupted by new elements. new construction, including garages and accessory buildings shall be sympathetic to district context and size, scale, massing, sighting style and character. Um, I think that as Kimberly said, you know, our our little train station doesn't have any embellishments to it as as others might, but in a way that is what makes it different and special. um all of the surrounding buildings, including directly across the street. If you look at historic photos of of that building that is now in serious disrepair for many decades, it it was built and and it looked like a stable back then. There was no ornamentation to any of these buildings down there. So, the entire area of the village was very utilitarian. Um, and again, it it, you know, we can't, um, as I've learned over the years, tell you what to do or how to design something, but, um, I think we're feels like we're all on the same page that this, as it's designed, um, does not feel like it suits the property um, in such a prominent prominent location. And and as far as the train station being a contributing or non-contributing building,

um it's hard to think of another building in the last 150 years that probably played as big a role in the village as that building as the train station. So when we get to Are there photographs of the building there? The con. Yeah. The building. Yeah. So when we are dealing with because we're not happy with the building at all. You're what? We're not happy with this building at all when it has a caboose for train that was added in. Yeah, the caboose was was put in because they when it was a car dealership, they made that garage door. So, they cut a big hole in it

and there was an old gas pumps I've seen also out front. It used to be three depot square and five depot square, right? There were two buildings to path sort of merged together. Um, we have these historic, you know, these building inventory forms you can get. Um, so this little guy was five depot. That's You still have it. It's just been It's kind of just joined. Yeah. Morphed into And then this one Oh, that's So they flatten the roof on that. Just left it there. Yeah. So these were done in the in by Columbia University. Um, this one's 81. than the other.

I I mean I do think that it's worth that the depot has changed so many times over the years and been so many different things. So it has always evolved. Yep. Um I I am curious now are are are you folks objecting to the the greenhouse in general or just you still think it's too ornate going from the first time we were here? because that was the the main thing about it was those two weren't neat and there was no mention of of it how it interacted necessarily in a negative way with the this bill. Now just to be honest just just to be okay I wasn't here for that.

I'll I'll we can look back but hopefully our our intention just to lay everything out is our intention is not to stop at the greenhouse. Our intention is to upgrade this building so we don't have a caboose so that we take this building this building to what it really should have been could have been and and a lot of that means cleaning all this under roof up getting these windows back that have all been blacked out which includes on this side as well. Um I mean coming from the person who owns this building and lives in this building it it needs a lot. Oh yeah. I mean it it really does. Um, and so that's when we're talking about these things, it's like it it needs a lot of love.

Yeah. And I think for the you're talking about a bigger the bigger idea that they would match up when the whole thing would be done. This is the the greenhouse is step one in the elevation of the entire property. Um, yeah, I don't think we can really consider future plans as much as I wish that we could. What our our argument is is that what you're what you're what you are saying that doesn't that it's too different from this building is that we're trying to take this building and elevate it so that well I will tell you right now that that that will not be a successful endeavor if you're planning a lot of embellishments to the original

get back to the to the greenhouse are we still are the same question if are are we objecting to how or needed it still is in your minds or the the whole thing in general? I think it's it's more of respecting the historical context of the street and the fact that this is an industrial town. it was built and and and it actually is significant that that building is not because it reflects what what Cold Spring okay

is. I will say just and then I would like to hear from Al but as I unfortunately was not at that meeting but I did look at the plans when when they were submitted back then and that is the very first thing that came to mind is wow that's beautiful structure but I can't quite wrap my head around how it makes sense in this space as it relates to the original structure uh the train station um across the street all the surrounding property. So that was my kind of from the beginning my my feeling. Um Al, do you have any

Yeah, I I mean I think that the thing the critical thing for me is that all of the various elements that we're dealing with need to be accommodated. For example, if we move the monument uh you know the the rock monument, where does it go? Um, if you're going to move the the that railroad sign, which I think was probably the, you know, original to the station, where does that go? And um I I think that one of the the things um I have to agree that uh you know there's I don't think we have any objection to something being added there but I think that it may be a little bit too much too large in scale uh with respect to the the restaurant itself. So I I I think that uh a more comprehensive um uh assessment and and design of the site is is really what is lacking at this point. To answer your question, I don't think we have an objection to you adding uh and then closure uh for your restaurant business, but I think that it needs to be handled a little bit more uh subtly and distinctly rather than, you know, just dropping uh this this large essentially a uh greenhouse. And that's what it looks like, a greenhouse and uh you know turning it into uh seating for a restaurant. Uh one other just very small component is the the white picket fence that's connecting the train station to this potential add-on. I think that that is um

would would need to evolve in some capacity to tie these these things. We have no issue with that. I mean I'm sure you I I'd given a scale of what's being proposed. Pergula that was the white pergola that was there for how many years? Yeah, I was there a long time. It was a white plastic pergola that an arbor a white plastic arbor that you entered in

that feels like an important element of how these two things relate to each other and tie in. I think that's what we're really trying to to accomplish and that is it has been taken so far. um and been allowed to be taken so far um that we're trying to get it back.

Yeah. Um, and so trying to compare to what has been uh really negative things done to this building that take and and take away from the historical significance of caboose, a car dealership, uh, gas pumps, you name what hasn't been done to this building and all of it has been done to the detriment of the building. So this so comparing a a nice looking greenhouse that as you put it um for additional seating um rather than a beat up gazebo and a monument on a rock. We're trying to elevate the entire property. Um and so we're trying to get this back. So by saying this is too ornate for something that because it's a disaster.

I think even before it was a disaster it was a very plain and simple humble structure utilitarian right there was the purpose of it was to keep people dry and warm when they're waiting for a train and buy tickets. I mean that's simply what it was uh when it was constructed. Um, so I definitely don't think we we are in no means stuck to the way that it is has fallen into disrepair. I I I think all of us would love to see it restored and brought back to life. I think that would be an amazing uh contribution to the community for sure. So we're definitely not hung up on like no, it has to stay the way that it looks now, right? But as um even once it is restored there will still be it will still be a very simple simple structure at its heart.

Um so that's I think the the big thing here. Yeah. I mean, one of the one of the articles that I was reading about really talks about um the reason why it didn't have outdoor seating, glass enclosed outdoor seating like other of the same era, same built at the same time um because Colin couldn't afford it and and it says purely that it was money.

Yeah. And I think but to to that point um and this is something that there has been disagreement on this board and and prior and prior versions of this board um are a lot a lot of the housing stock in this in the village is is very tiny uh very simple very utilitarian and people have wanted to make alterations and additions and changes to that. Um and you know that the same argument could have been used in those instances too. you know, oh, the original owner didn't have enough money to build a bigger house, but this is where we are, right? That the the house that was built is is what it is because of the time and the context. Yeah.

The the the thing that comes to mind as we're talking about the what the the whole square looks like is the whole thing has been in disrepair for a long time. I mean, and I know that the building across the street, he's considering changes, trying to figure it out, but I just don't know how much of that the historical context is even still there. And I'm not saying you have to disregard it alto together, but it it's it's gotten so so bad so fast now. It's like I you look at that building, it doesn't say anything about historic building there across the street from Yeah. Um, but believe it or not, it actually didn't. these garages and it was I mean it was it was a very simple structure

but it still I mean the original I'm sure you you've seen the original pictures with the had some wood facade and you know yeah there were beams more beams yeah now you got vinyl siding it's falling off and I'm just cattle I'm just saying how how trying to stay trying to figure out the context of what things should look like when they're so far gone from what they used to look like I think This is a beautiful building. This is your building when it was the train station. Sure. And just it doesn't look like that now. No, but it it can the bones are still there. It will be so gorgeous. But what you're saying is that we can't

No, we're not. I think this we're not that that building is not what we're actually talking about situation right now. Right. Right. Um, so just getting back to this that it certainly when the last time we were here, it seemed like the building itself was somewhat agreeable and it was just a little too ornate and it seemed like we've kind of regressed from there and that's I think we're both kind of struggling with that. I think that's why we had I at least had a hard time reviewing it at that time um because it it felt we need to but I understand sometimes things are in parallel and so the level of ordinance was definitely discussed as well as the

as well as the as well as the authenticity of the structure and how it's created and how it relates back to culture when those were discussed but wasn't discussed with the monument because it wasn't mentioned. Um, and so I think all of those things definitely play a part in conversation. I agree with Al that something canist in the future. I do.

Yeah. Hang on. Let Let me go off of um Okay, I'm I'm not muted. Um, I I guess my comment is that you guys are talking about uh how bad a shape that other buildings on Depot Square uh are, you know, are and that, you know, you really need to do something drastic to to spruce it up. And I have to disagree. I mean, I I've seen Depot Square for the long for a long time. And uh you know realistically you know it's really hasn't changed significantly. I mean the caboose that you guys keep talking about I mean that's been there ever since I can remember. Um the uh the the apartment complex across the street from you. They've just gone through a whole bunch of renovations and they've really cleaned up that entire complex. the uh what was the the

talking about behind the garage building. Is that right? The stone structure that's she's talking about on the main on the east side of Depot Square right when you turn turn on there on the corner. Yeah. They they she has upgraded that. Yes. Right. The thing is

right the the the uh uh you know the sandwich shop which you now own I mean that's been upgraded that that has gone through uh several iterations and the thing is is that none of that really is should be surprising because that's part of the evolution of of how things change and and realistically whether um you have a huge greenhouse or something a little bit smaller is not going to make a difference to the overall impression. I I well I take it back and that that's an incorrect statement. I I think that what you do will not have an impact on the adjacent properties. Uh it will the issue becomes whether or not uh it it is appropriate. it fits in with the overall tenor and um style of the of the village in in in that particular area and I think that's what we're looking to to preserve as much as possible.

I'm still somewhat confused about what what if we were going to just what what would work or what you think wouldn't work. Um, I mean what we're talking about.

Well, let me just toss out and then I'll I'll I'll defer to my colleagues who actually showed up. Um, I think that uh possibly a smaller structure would be more appropriate. I think that you need to figure out exactly what you're going to do with all of those uh historic elements which are are uh important to the story of Cold Spring. I mean the monument uh is a documentation for how the village got its name. Um and uh I think that a lot of the other the sign I would say is probably part of the original um de you know um train station because obviously the the where the depot restaurant is is in fact where the train used to stop. So you know there there are a bunch of things which I think are important and how are how are they dealt with is something which I don't see in the documents that we've seen. Um you know it's basically fairly stripped down version or view of of these um these buildings. So I turn it over to you guys. And I say that uh our last meeting of here we left here with the understanding that there wasn't any issue about the sides. There was the monument was never mentioned as far as being placement of it. No, do we have any issue about where the monument goes? It's a it's a a rock with a sign on it. We can put it anywhere that would seem appropriate.

What we were told was that this design in particular was way too ornate for and if we were to simplify it that we would be in the right direction and that is everything that we have done.

Well, that's right. and it would be in the right direction but it we didn't say that you know all you have to do is uh remove some of the ornamentation and we would automatically approve it. I mean, there are a lot of things that go into the appropriate design and and you know, you keep talking about the monument, but the monument was never raised before. And but and now that you're showing and and the other thing to keep in mind is that we we didn't know if you had um you know, if there were any uh zoning issues as far as lot coverage. So all of those issues needed to be addressed before we got down to what the design really entailed.

The monument and the sign by the way was was postmeating research done by board members to walk down and look at the property. So it was not brought up by either party. Um we I you know again I was not at that meeting proposal you know and it wasn't also brought up on this proposal. So it does go both ways. It is an important piece of history and it was not brought up in your application just just for the record zoning application but audit. I mean there's also we're just talking about that that I mean if it just moved down slightly it's you're still in the same area. I mean the the other thing I have to look at is I I don't know if it do do you know if it actually sits on

rough on one man on my property or not? Yes. I mean that line that line's right there. It might be on It might be And the band stand is on your property, correct? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because

I think I mean I I don't know if we're just saying the same thing, but if we treat those elements as important as this building, then likely they'll be on a site plan and considered in place. We're we have no issue with that at all. That's a that's a huge stat whatsoever. The um this is certainly less lavish than this and so I think that's heading in the right direction. It's just not there yet. Um and the scale becomes an issue now that we have perspectival renderings. Um it's helpful to understand the scale. So I think it you know

yeah that was one of the things that was was brought up of of the actual scale this is also I I think it's important to is like why I want to do that and it's it's a matter of I don't want to sound traumatic but it's survival of the business where we're in a place now where business is not what it used to be and one of the things that culture doesn't have is a place for people to gather and have their rehearsal dinner, have a small wedding, have a place to go, and something that I could offer to offset a terrible winter like we just had that I'm still paying off right now.

Programmatically, you can find a building that meets that need and is amazing. I totally think that there's something that could work for this space that will that will work for that program, that need, and that will be offered. So, it's less size in your mind. Um, I think the height of this is unnecessary. Um, I think the size could be um, yeah, adjusted just with that. Um, but I I do have an issue with it being preab China structure when it's reporting to be historic cold spray. It's too Disney for me. Well, I mean, the other thing is just the economical point of it. If you're talking about a building,

you know, I mean, there's just and this is where we get into, well, then you we're nothing can really happen because I I certainly can't afford to say I'm going to build because if you're talking about something even smaller than that, that's going to cost you $500,000 to build. Um, obviously nobody knows, but but it's significantly um so it's we're just getting a point where then nothing happens. Well, it's concerning to me that the design of that greenhouse from China would dictate future renovations and upgrades to the train station. Yeah.

I I think just I it again I will repeat that I wasn't here and if I was I I my my opinion really has not changed from that point to now. Um, I do appreciate that it is a little less ornate, but it it feels visually that it is it dominates the site when compared to the original train station structure. It diminishes that original structure on the property.

Um, I don't know what the answer I don't know what the answer is to that question. Um, we specifically chose a building in the Queen style. Wherever, whatever country it's built in. Um, if we were to have a building built in this country, we would want to build a building that looked like

origin doesn't that's less of a thing. I do I do um kind of the disnified version of something I I think uh hits home a little bit origin of of construction less so for me. Um so I I I I hear what you're saying about that for sure. Um and it's it's specifically designed in Victorian style. is queen and big time.

I I just I just keep going back to it's just it's almost like it kind of feels like we you'd rather just nothing happen cuz and and I know you're going to say no. It's just from my perspective saying hey you start talking about that kind of project and something like I can't afford to do that and and then it puts a stop to all of it. I think as an architect, I've been in a situation before where you get down a road with a vision and that's the vision and the idea that it would be something else feels impossible

like what you know like I don't want to be perfect this is what it is but if you start with a clean slate there are lots of different versions of something that can exist on its site and sometimes it's just not the version you start with and it's a really hard bandaid to peel off but once you do it I think you can see that there are other options I'm the architect on this and I thought from our last meeting here that we were on the right path that all we needed to do was this building was not this was it was not discussed that this was not something that even or that it was too big

or so discussing what was then and sort of rehashing that isn't isn't beneficial to our time constraint. Well, we we've been through zoning and and all of everybody has agreed on Yeah. I I mean, again, from my perspective, it it it it means going back and spending a bunch more money to do all these things again. And, you know, we keep going back, it's like it it costs a lot of money to do these things. And when I thought we were going down the right track and they're saying we're not

like, hey, is that is that worth spending all that money again? Even at that meeting, I think I said, "I don't I don't necessarily want to discuss this. It feels so early, so premature. It makes me so anxious to discuss such an important building without more information and I'm not sure like I guess we can comment on this and I guess on that and that's exactly why because we knew that it would feel I knew it would feel more real to you the longer we waited." And so I'm sorry, but that's it's it's the process and it's it's

I think that the thing that you guys need to keep in mind is the fact that at the last meeting when we actually went over this, we knew it was just, you know, uh a very high level uh evaluation because you had uh your zoning issues to get resolved and that that could have had drastic changes to the size. And you know, you keep talking about the impact on you, but uh ultimately we're talking about something that if it gets built, it it's something that we have to live with. And and that is the whole point of of our uh review board is to make sure that whatever does in fact gets built uh is appropriate to the district. That's what we're trying to do. So Al, how would you We're at 8:30 now, so it's been an hour. How how would you propose moving forward here so we can continue on?

Well, well, what we can do is um you know, we're at the stage where uh we can take a couple of courses or courses of action. One is that you can say this is our submission and we vote on it and I don't think the the result is going to be very favorable. The second would be that uh well would be that uh we we know that this is going to have to go to a public hearing. Um and uh but uh we can sit and talk about things things that we would like for you to address and we can take a look at it and see if we feel it's ready for a public hearing and and that is what I I would recommend to you guys. Um I don't know about other board members. Are do you feel that we have enough information to provide uh input?

Yes. No. To provide input on the current design? Yes. On the design that has been submitted today. I think we've been providing input so far. I I I mean specific design. Um

Well, yeah. And and the the thing is is that um I've been in the design business long enough. We can tell you what our concerns are, but ultimately u design is is requires taking various input inputs and putting them together. And it's not like, you know, uh we're not going to sit there and say, you know, this overhang needs to be 2 in bigger or that needs to be, you know, uh 6 in wide. We're going to give you overall impression and then you guys need to work that out, you know, for the whole site. So um going back to other board members, do we feel that we can provide input or or you know do we want

what my opinions uh are and my concerns are. I don't have anything further to add. Okay. Yeah, I I feel the same. I think um I've articulated the uh the concerns that I have and and and areas that would need more focus for this. Okay. Kimberly, do you feel you can provide input so that they can move this forward? Not um in addition to what I've already said.

Okay. Um, if I can say when we left here, we were clearly directed to go through zoning planning. All of the hoops that we have had to go through. They sent a letter, the last planning board sent a letter of recommendation to this board saying that they believe in it. We met every criteria so far. And I remember Al specifically saying, if you can get through all of that, then we will sit here and have a consideration of what what we're doing. But it was never uh said to us, this is this is never going to work. So you're going to go through and so we were taking the advice that we were given to make it less what we're need.

You feel we feel let alone a little bit. I think it's the and I know we can't can't rehash what happened.

Yeah. No, I I I I can understand that. I it's it's an ongoing again I was not here. I I Kate has expressed that she expressed herself then as well. It it it has been a point of conversation among people uh I think even at the last meeting when when you weren't here about has it been through zoning has it been through this what board should go first that is not unfortunately we can't control we don't have control over that process in in in ideally village council would be like step one x step two y and step three I mean that's how that should be but we essentially you can apply to all of us at the same time and we have consider it completely independently. I think the struggle as I kind of understand it even though I wasn't there was when you didn't have the approval from the other boards and we have a packed agenda. How much time are we committing to something that could very well just go away because it's not allowed. So in that way you know in in prior applications it does feel like maybe we should be last to consider something because once you have all the other approvals then it is really the design aspect and component of it that we should be considering. Um and you know other times it has come to us and and and if somebody gets a positive feedback then they go to the other board and say well historic board you know they thinks that we should so it can impact other other um the way that other boards may or may not react something. So I think that's probably a good deal of the hesitancy maybe to have um come out with a stronger opinion possibly I wasn't there could also be coming from from that um that place also. So Al I I think yeah

yeah just to amplify what um Todd is saying we have a long history where each board looks at different things but they have an impact on the overall design. So, you know, the question really becomes who goes first and um in, you know, we've had instances where we have reviewed something and we thought it was great and it was sent to another board and they said, "No, you know, there's no way it's going to happen." So um I think you know it's we are always vigilant um to the possibility that uh just because we have given approval that um you know the applicant automatically has uh you know a building permit that that's not the case. There are a number of different things that need to go into it and uh you know unfortunately um it becomes with a complicated project it becomes very difficult because there may be some back and forth and uh I've been on this board in a long time and I've seen it happen a number of times. It it it's the thing I'm struggling with the most right now is that I didn't leave the last meeting thinking we got to scrap this and start again. And now it seems like that's essentially what's being said here. At the very least I have to we have to redesign a new a new building of some sort.

And that was never implied. That that's the hardest thing to swallow. That was implied was this was true.

I I Yeah, but I I I don't think you know. Okay. So what was submitted if that's still too ornate? I mean what where do you go from there? I mean I don't understand why us saying that the uh the building as proposed is still too ornate uh you know condemns the entire design. It doesn't. It just means that you you need to change it and you need to look at uh how the various members all come together. Now, but the thing is is that now that we have all of the other the zoning issues and all the other uh aspects of the project worked out, there may be some uh sessions where we have to sit down with you guys and in a perhaps a workshop uh which gives us a little more freedom uh to talk about, you know, the various different things which could be changed to make it more appropriate to the district and so you know because a lot of the issues that workshop meeting is the right course of action here. I think we we have a really stacked agenda tonight and we're going to be here until midnight at this rate.

Right. Right. Well, that's you know that's the reason why I mentioned workshop because I think that ultimately uh you know what we have been successful with in the past is sitting down with applicants and you know uh spitballing various different ideas and how things are handled. So I this what I would suggest you would I mean it would be interesting when we're talking about monuments talking about signs those are of no issue to us. Sure. Yeah.

Putting them in a proper place. We have no version of doing any of that. Um I I guess it when you show the picture of the uh train station when it was in great shape and in a you know clean, beautiful, pure, nice building. Um, if you were to compare that building to this building, you would see less of a contrast when you're comparing this building to a rundown old train station that has a caboose and has just been seriously neglected. Uh, you would see less of a of a um a difference in the quality of the buildings.

I I let me ask you a question. Why is the old station severely neglected? I mean, uh, doesn't the owner want to maintain it? Uh, he's a brand new owner. Yeah. I I mean, yes, absolutely. That's what we're trying to do. Um, but at the same time, it's it's been a restaurant for 40 years. Um, and so there's all I mean, almost all the things that have been done to it, it's nothing to do with me. Um, you get to a certain point where you can't there's there's only so much you can do to Okay. I can I propose that we have a a standalone workshop meeting? Absolutely.

Um, on another evening and I think we could get into it a lot more freely without having a Yeah, I think that that would be the best course of action. Yeah. All right. Okay. Um so Al will talk about that offline and then we can propose some dates. Right. Well, let's let's let's uh pick some dates and let's have a standalone session to go over uh the design do workshop. Great. Yeah. Thank you. Do

you want to stay stay with you guys? Um, you want all of them or just one copy of these to stay? Sure. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Are we going to pick a date for this uh workshop? I think we can do that offline and propose a few dates after we get Lauren because she's not here either. Is that all right? If we just kind of do an email. Yeah.

Okay. 37. Yeah, you guys are up. Okay. Oh, this is all set. That's all. Can I put it off to the side? Oh, yeah. Of course. No. I think you do have our set with automation and then I Abigail asked for an existing which I did that was um and I did log in the Zoom but I've got some of the stuff we can put but I also sort of have it organized point but you just wanted to record us here and it's remotely

no that's not all sitting here also I just wanted to like, you know, relive it three times. Um, uh, pleased to be here with you all. Al, I hope you recover and and look forward to seeing you again back here sometime soon. Um, I will mention, I know it's not the agenda item, but just as to the agenda, the last time I saw y'all, um, the paint and signing on Z2, we post meeting tenants came to the agreement. There was the agreement here. uh researched uh found went down a rabbit hole of science on paint removal from brick. It is also very peeling too. So it was latex paint just put on the brick. Yeah, that's what they use.

Yeah, I think that's right. But went through a whole bunch of stuff, ordered material. We got them. We're going to do a test patch to like make sure and I think Kim is your point sort of like make sure we're what we're doing doesn't hopefully doesn't impact the patina.

Yeah, absolutely. Well underway, etc. Uh, okay. So, Abigail, I think the way this gets to happen is I get to ask for permission to share somewhere. I'll do that. Hold on here. Share. It will ask for permission. Oh, did you already grant me permission? Share y'all. I promise to go up there. I think I'm sharing. There we go.

You want to know something? You want to exit the meeting and rejoin? Sure. Well, I can we can get started. I want to make sure we don't need time and if we need what's here. So, you want me to leave? Or can I get your audio? If not, should I join in with computer audio? I can do that. I think I'll keep myself muted. Maybe that does it. Share. Let's try this one more.

I'm happy to just proceed. I did that in the effort of efficiency. I think this hopefully isn't uh too uh tight. Brian, what which property are we talking about? I'll look up the files that are on Yep. This one is 37 Main Street. Oh, there we go. The yellow building at the bottom of the aka the Tyvec building.

Um I will I was asked to speak briefly to uh sort of historic condition etc. for clarity there was some confusion with the new code enforcement officer who believed that when he looked back at the old photos and he saw the building had been wrapped in Tyvec that the sighting that he saw was that was bright and and springy yellow was new sighting on top of the Tyvec. That is not what it is. That is the historic sighting just cleaned P. We took the tiebacks off. Yeah.

The as a as the large ziplockc bag that was on the building. We took that off uh and we repaired patched and um after doing a fun village paint survey, which I got a ton of very exciting. Um okay, so this uh property um you know what we were proposing here has a few different components. Let me make sure this is it feels like a little bit delayed there. There we go. Okay. Um this is some you know before pictures. Well, and then little introduction. Um you'll see it in a second. We we're respectfully submitting the narrative in support of the exterior upgrades at 37 Main Street. Um currently zone B1 general business. Our upgrades are detailed and following pages, but we I believe they conform standards. But as with the last time, I'm very eager to hear any feedback, adjust as needed. Um, these improvements will facilitate the relocation of Angie's Bake Shop and Cafe, a beloved Colts Spring institution that has operated successfully for almost four years further up main street into a building that has been sitting, neglected, and suffering from demolition by neglect uh for several decades. Our request ensures the continued presence of the long-standing and proven small business, but also activates the neglected property that has been dormant and in disrepair for well over 15 years, transforming it into a safe, welcoming, and vibrant cafe, providing clear and lasting benefit village residents, visitors. Uh, while it's locally been known as the Tyc building for many years, with your support, we hope to turn it into a new building with a different reputation that is much more appropriate for our beautiful Queen Village. Um, rationale. So the things we're doing, this is sort of a little bit of a deep dive at sort of like one category of change at a time. And I'm happy to jump down to this is a little bit delayed from when I jump, but I can walk you through where these changes are happening. Right.

So the first one is the window relocation along the east wall, the one terrace side. And I will um al I don't have Andy the Oh, you know what? I do have do I do here you go I think it will update here in a second you'll be able to see what we're looking at here which is the existing it's this existing conditions so if you look at the lower half of my screen and what should be up there SIF um but it oh this is you don't you all don't have the existing this is what Abigail asked me to bring this is What's there now? There you go.

So, if you look at the if I step up and point at the screen or I think my mouse is so delayed.

So, existing windows are here. You know, this is as shown. Um, these two are remaining exactly in place. Um, and then the plan is to replace this with a matching window to match style. Put a new window down here. One window. So pulling out the two and putting in one window that also matches the same sizing and styling and then relocating this window and replace. So relocating so it lines here uh with that so that it also vertically aligned and matched. So then you have a 3x two grid of the same windows on the same side in a in sort of a conformity. I stopped sharing some um anyway. So that's the proposal. So as you look in your plans, that's what you'll see on that one parasite

is those windows matching the first category of change. Uh any questions on that? I think that's probably the most controversial one I think. Why are we moving the windows? there. And also, as you can see on some of the photographs, there are numerous other window holes in the side of the building um that exist there. Now, we did and also the code enforcement offer officer believed we put those in. We did not put those in. Um those were pre-existing, just covered. Um and so the the intention and plan is to create a more aligned and standardized approach to the side of the building. Um

so it's just for aesthetics. It's for aesthetic. the the uh the windows that are there all need to be replaced from just a they have deteriorated. You know, the building has seen better days more than recently. Um so they need to be replaced anyway and the thought process here is to replace them with matching windows that sort of match the rest of the building um and move them into alignment uh from perspective. So historically when windows were put in in buildings like this, they were put in as a functional purpose for the interior.

The interior was with without regards to the exterior. And to our our modern eyes, it looked out of place, but that's actually in context with how these buildings were designed so that it served the purpose of the interior of the building. So,

okay. Um, I that is that is correct. Um, I don't have a strong feeling about this. I think that both um the way that it currently exists and what is proposed are okay. I think um a quick question I have um the uh uh elevation I was just looking at the plans that had been submitted and so I'm just trying to uh get oriented but the window changes are all along L terrace. There's two in the front. The two in the front are just replacing inind in location.

Yeah, we haven't gotten there yet. We're we haven't moved to that category of of the replacements. sort of like the style. I was focusing first just on the what are relocation. Um but the there there are two on the front that are being replaced with you know inind direct replacement. Okay. All right. I see that. And and then on L terrace uh there are a bunch of smaller windows which are being replaced with windows of all the same size.

Correct. So in in one location sort of the lower left uh the two windows were be being the plan had to been to consolidate them into one. Um right and then the other sort of in the middle on the lower level was adjusting slightly to be in vertical alignment with the upper story window and and replace needs to be replaced and replacing it with window size to match which is a slight upsizing of the window. Um and then the others are uh the top left is changing to match style. They will all match the windows on the opposite facade. Yeah. Yeah. And and the whole back of the building. Yeah.

Right. And then also the new windows on the front that from a manufacturing style methodology while the the lights or sort of like the styling of the front windows will be different. Yeah.

Yeah. Um, you know, and Kim, you rais a good point. If if the, you know, the we're chained, we we have an interior reconfiguration that's happening on the inside of the building. Um, and that is also part of what is driving the window change. So, we're sort of bringing those changes to what's happening on the outside, but trying to do it and marry intentionally being intentional about marrying both the the look and aesthetic from the exterior as well as the look and aesthetic from the interior. Right. Okay. Right. I like the playfulness of you. and exiting openings. Um um that that's one of the things I actually like. I think that, wow, none of these windows actually line up. And why are they there? And why are some smaller? And why are some bigger?

Kind of like a new proposed configuration. Um, there's a I think a spacing that feels a little bit extreme here. And I'm not sure. I mean, this has one in the middle and this has another one. Maybe there's a greater distance than you would expect for optimal interior lighting um to be reflected on the facade. The new one, this this one shifts over here in the new so it's sort of it uh we attempted to sort of like this is existing

but that now it's it is more symmetrical in the few a few different directions way. This this is actually sort of demonstrating where existing is that one might be. Yeah, it is a large facade for so few few windows. So I do I do hear what you're saying about the the existing adding a little bit something to that. Al, do you have any thoughts or

Well, I I guess the only question really that I have is um the the business about um is there any uh realistic expectations that we can salvage any of the existing windows? I think the windows on that facade are not. There may be one that's original if that the two over two or even the one over one all the way on the left. This one looks very that looks very that's remaining. That's remaining. Yeah, that's remaining. This one here. No, the one I'm putting this one

these these are No, these are replacement windows, aren't they? Those are vinyl. Yeah. Oh. So, so what I will say is I don't know that what is there now is actually historic historic as we as we look at like and think about the history of the build the origins of the building. I think these may be and then you got some things that are punched in. I think this and Ross you can chime in but I think this one is original and I think this one is original in location. Yeah. And I don't I don't think I think this one. Yeah, these two were done the same side at the same time as the rest of the building and the railroad facing side.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's like 16 years or whenever it was done 20 years ago. Yeah. And the six over six is that that's what was then and that's what you're saying. Those are fun. Well, no, for sure. And I agree with that. But I'm saying you're you're using the six over six from the sort of newer windows to match them if they're a reason to stick with that if you're because you're replacing the mule on that or you're not just remain. Yeah, these do remain. That's the goal since these exist as vinyl and exist as vinyl and they're over. I don't think they're vinyl. I think they're aluminum.

They're aluminum plat. Yeah. All of them are are which is aluminum which is what we're proposing is is a I would you know not trying to but a high quality aluminum clad uh uh double hung you know 8 over8 oh sorry um and so the plan is to essentially replace these four windows and the two on the front no location changes on the front but replace them to match the came aluminum clad wood double hung uh you know high quality window but with the historic sort of manufacturing style not vinyl right um

and the eight over eight you're choosing because that's on the window correct and it's on those types of thank you sir yeah Do you have a strong opinion on maintaining the original openings and sizes? You really

I'll say hi. That's part of the charm of this building. You are not aligned and they're all different sizes, but we don't know what's the what was put in when and where the Japanese artist repairing things with the gold paint. Uh yeah, the pottery charm. Yeah, the pottery charm. Um, anyway, I I know is perhaps and again I may defer and and chime ask Ross to chime in, but like I think what I hear you referencing, Kim, because I'm I appreciate that. I

I happen to be someone that, you know, is of a everything's square and organized. You know, studied architecture myself and like that was my aesthetic in design and that's what my desk looks like. That's what my garage looks like. But I married a wonderful woman. That that is the the whimsical and the thing that is her aesthetic and I I live with it and I love it as well. And I I I hear what you're saying and I understand it. Um perhaps keeping like keeping the two smalls helps hearken to that, you know? I think so. Yeah. Say it again. It might actually. I hadn't even sort of seeing where this was going, but I like that idea

because I think and Ross, correct me if I'm wrong. And I may have to pull up the interior floorment. I think that will work with if we kept for the bathroom that's in looks into the ba the existing bathroom and they can be adjusted too. So yeah, we they may need to be replaced windows. Yeah, I think I what I hear principally is location asymmetry and size asymmetry, you know, creating, you know, variety and diversity of aesthetic. Yeah. Okay. I think that's doable. And I would probably just go with the same window window manufacturer, same Yeah, it probably it will not be eight over eight. That would look awkward.

It be it may I'll I'll measure. Yeah, it probably would be six over six. I think what's there is there works. I think what's there works. Yeah, six over six. Yeah. Okay. Just Yeah. Was that Yeah. I walk by and I'm why did they choose that one or Sure. It's the What's the story there? Yeah. Bobby. Bobby. Oh, wisi. There we go. That's the term. Not the term though. The different term. I'm curious if you're are you like just loving this or are you thinking what are we doing? What are you How are you? How are you feeling?

You talking to me? So, where where we're headed is is keeping the two small windows on the lower left that are currently there and replacing the remaining ones with 8 over8 windows to match the rest of the uh the two other facads. Yeah, I guess the only thing that I'm I'm u just going over in my mind is consistency in the appearance of the windows. For example, on the front, we're talking about those three large windows uh on the front facade. Those are all existing to remain, right? They're going to be refurbished. Correct.

Correct. We we feel those are important to refurbish. Right. Are they um insulated glass? No. No. No. So So then the the new windows that we're talking about, the two new windows Uh those are going to be uh woodclad windows. Am I correct? Yeah, I think aluminum. Aluminum clad wood. Yes. Right. Aluminum on the outside and wood on the

They want to match what's already been replaced 15 20 years ago on the railroad side and the rear side of the building. Right. Okay. Well, that's all nice and good. I to me the uh the facade that has significance is the front facade. Mhm.

And um I'm just a little concerned about uh the windows that are being replaced on the front facade and I understand the logic for the the clad windows on all of the other facades and you know the the changes and that we're making. There's really nothing magic about uh where the windows are located, but I I guess I'm just concerned a little bit with the front facade. Yeah, we we were

we were trying to tackle we were going to go there next. So we were trying to to tackle Lterra side first and I think in general we are in agreement of replacing the um what what is it two four five those are there and these are those are those are existing instead these do not match what's on the other side of the yes they do these have fake divided light in between the pieces of glass these are not these do not match the other windows The muttons are are fake divided light in between the panes of glass. They are not the same as what's on that side. Yeah,

those are simulated divided lights surface mounted to the glass. These are not. So these two windows, these are not surface mount. What do you mean surface mount? These are those are this is on the railroad side. See these these divisions? Yeah, they're outside of the glass. Oh, okay. This is inside the glass. These are white. Those are not. So these do not match those windows to me. These two are as important as the remaining windows um on that facade to replace to match to match the other ones. So one two basically one two three four five would be all replaced to be the same and these two are smaller.

Yeah. So that is not the same as what's around your okay good catch. Yeah. Yeah. Didn't catch. Yeah, good catch. Right. So, correct. Yes, that's I'm just going to say that back out loud. 1 2 3 4 5 8 over eight to match what's existing elsewhere in the building. And then two two over. Yeah. Yeah. And so these will be in alignment. I'm okay with that. And then this will remain as is. And the two windows will be below as existing. Yep. Okay. Yeah.

Okay. And then this little opening goes away and that one goes away. Right. So those actually are for doing like comparing. Cool. Okay. Uh on to the facade front side. Uh so next topic, we sort of talked about matching style. We've sort of done that. The front facade includes essentially matching what's there with just new windows. Oh, these so the so the two windows on the first floor are not um original. They are not original. Um

I'm I what I will add or maybe preface with is I'm open to a different like to a different guidance. I think that if we are um doing aluminum clad wood on other the rest of the building that um if possible these would be nice if they were wood windows that would be painted the way that the top three are. Um I think that would be a pretty valuable addition to the building. I also think that they should probably either be they probably want to play with what that looks like, but either two over two or four over four so that the paints

kind of relate to the upstairs windows. Um I is it right now what we're looking at? It looks confusing because there's a screen there. Yeah. And so that like creates a weird visual. It's hard to like look at it see what's there. So whether it's they're they're this style now. Yeah. I think that's two over two over two

but with a horizontal division. Well, I I guess my question is is that uh a unglazed wood window rather a a single glazed wood window is going to look different from a metalclad double glazed window down, you know, on the lower part. And I think that is a problem to me. I think we're headed towards not a aluminum clad window to a solid wood window on the first floor. Those two windows for the front

for the front facade since the top three are staying and being restored. Um I think we're headed towards and and I guess you know the issue is is whether or not it's insulated glass or single pane.

I don't have any I don't I don't have an issue. I mean that you're you're keeping the storm windows I would assume upstairs. So you're going to it's not reading as you know a single pane window um on its own already. It has a layer of glass on the exterior for the upstairs. So I don't think visually that that that is going to be odd to look at if there are um insulated glass wood windows. Well, the thing to keep to keep in mind is the fact that this front facade is right there um on the street. It's very visible. You know, there's um typically we wind up dealing with, you know, for example, if the the building is set back off of the uh the street a certain distance, you're allowed a certain amount of leeway. But this is is right there in front of you. And so I I I guess if we're replacing the two windows on the first floor, I guess my question would be, can we replace them with um with single pane glass and and provide a storm window for them also?

I like that idea. What an interior storm window? No. And I think they're like the upper ones. Yes. Yeah, historic. And

yeah, the problem with that is that listen, I mean, you're not going to talk to somebody who has more of an opinion on historic windows than me. Um, for the record, I I think that you when you when you start to think about usability, um, as well, that becomes a little problematic on a on a storefront. Um, you know, they want to probably be able to open these windows. um if you're then opening an interior window and then having to go outside and lift an exterior storm window off. Um it does become a little bit of a problem. Um not to mention that, you know, just because a storm windows there doesn't mean that it's ever that it's going to stay there or be maintained. It could break. I at that level, I don't personally have a problem with the double paint window. I think it being wood and I think it being painted to match the wood windows directly above it is is a priority for me. I might add one other factor in just you know while it's sort of being considered. You know, part of what I'm doing with this building and I've tried to do with some other buildings is really um showcase what can be done working with a company called building 475 uh based out of Brooklyn that is a you know them sort of a thought leader and innovator in not tearing down old buildings but knowing and learning how to work with them. So for examp you know and so that is both from a uh historic preservation as well as you know energy and sustain and energy consumption but really also larger sustainability right like in a lot of ways it's easier just to rip and replace it and order something from somewhere else and have it delivered and dropped in play. That's what we're trying to get, right? So, this building, the reason it sat with Tyvec wrapped around it is because it doesn't have a vapor barrier, but we've done a tremendous amount of research and worked and done an interior vapor barrier methodology that it that allowed us to retain the sighting on the property, which without having to like

rip it all off and just replace it kind and actually keep some of that that character and all the pits and scrapes and all the sort of, you know, all the little scars and bits that are history. Um and so the only thing I would sort of say that comes back to the window, storm window, single glaze, double glazed topic is I am trying to achieve a certain amount of sort of energy efficiency within the building because that the sustainability angle aspect of this is is pretty important to me. Um so that is one of my goals and so Al the only thing I would say is that you know from a single glaze plus storm note it still doesn't even that doesn't achieve the the air retention and heat retention of double glazing. Um, so I just put that out.

I think it would be a different conversation if we were talking about these two windows being um salvageable and and or original to the building, which they are not, right? The upstairs windows are, and it's it's a different conversation. I mean, if you do have a single glazed window with a storm window, it has the same movement as a double glaze. But that being said, there are modern double glaze windows that you can add like I blazing that you can't achieve with that with the sort of Yeah.

Or else the other thing is is that we can have an interior u second glazing which is uh you know installed on the inside as opposed to the outside. Yeah. But then they can't operate the window from inside and they're operating a bakery and they probably want their street fronting windows to be operable. Yeah, I have interior windows on my entire house. They come off seasonally. It's a it's a bit of a chore.

All right. Um I I won't fall on my sword on this issue. Uh but I I strongly support uh anything that you can do in order to keep uh those two windows looking a lot like the upper three windows. You know, I I think that the proximity to the walking public, especially right there where you know, you have the you know, that's where the people from the train station come out. And so, you know, it's a very prominent building.

I agree with that. I think I'd be okay with double glaze, but if it could be full wood with a wood screen, too. Um, if you submit that approve some of the other windows to see that again. Sure. And you were playing with like those 2 by twos. Oh, is this something that you'd carry across or was it too busy or I think the I think these I think this reads pretty separately. Um, do you guys agree? Four over four square. Um, so the panes are more square. Not true square, but more square. Yeah. Okay. Okay.

So, not I'm just going to say it back out loud. Not aluminum clap. Uh, double construction solid wood construction. four over four two sorry um four over four to match this. Oh, but they're much smaller, right? They Okay, I think over two, but I don't know. Maybe I know, but I don't know. I think four

here to help, right? You bet. Yeah. Right. Todd, you going to take a vote on this? Sorry, but we also Well, first we need a motion. There's there's more to it than just those windows. Okay, I will try to go fast. Um, we the next piece is a sconce

which you see the locations of throughout. Um on one of the pages is sort of the Scots detail and I don't have there you go. um uh you know part of the aesthetic here. I've you know read the notes um the you know historic district design standards you know and focused on fixtures that sort of were period relevant also uh downcast lighting versus upcast no strip lighting etc. Um, also this is not part of our village code, but I do uh astrophotography as well and I chose pictures that can conform to dark sky requirement. Um, if we can go chat with our friends over at West Point. Um, but anyway, back to this topic. So, that's a few of the aspects of of the light.

Why um are there lights on the east facade, the London side? So many outlet locations uh outlet locations was to bring power to the outside. we can reduce the count um some if that's sort of there's a preference around the count um the lighting so on uh I have it here but if you don't have it here but sort of the the long longer term plan for the building includes a phase two which I know is not the consideration of this conversation and this meeting only the things here are but to just answer your question

we yeah looking at the correct side so the one terrace side where sort of there's sort of graphy area with a lot of ivy on the ground. Um we will be doing we'll be submitting for doing an expanded heartscaping um so there's seating on that side and so we want to match the create you know safety and navigation lighting around the full building in a cohesive design and style um that will be supportive of that. Um, and there's Sorry, I didn't open it. I don't have it.

It's just a lot. Three, four, five, six, and one, two, three, four, five outlets that are sort of marking the facade. Um, I don't know if when you do the hardcaping, can you get in more expensive ground, but I mean, how will these will you have tables set up against them? Are you looking to do like how utilized?

I'm pretty flexible on this, so I don't mind if you So, um, I'm just going to narrate a little bit for Al. So Al, we're looking at the east side on one terrace and Kate was commenting on reducing the count of uh power outlets on the lower section of the downstairs facade. The the current um brick that sits here now, again, phase two, we'll be asking we'll be seeking to reclad it um around the the east, south, and west side of the building. Um, and at that time I could put in I think I could put outlets that sit because where the level comes in. It's like right near the wood. But I think there's probably

there's probably six or eight inches of brick that there will be enough space that I could run it and have it not be on the wood facade. It would still be on the facade of the building and yeah, it won't read as loudly as especially with the yellow coloring, right? Like anything pops on the yellow. um even if you paint it yellow. Yeah, I did choose some historic fixtures that have you know whatever. But but um I'm happy to shift them down to essentially sit below the wood fac.

Yeah, that would be great. And then maybe it's hard to visualize now because you don't have your exterior state, but it would feel weird right now to have these lights go up, but and they're they're sort of lighting up the side of the building. That's um

they will be they are not high lumen lights, so they're not bright lights, but I to your point, it is a fairly large expanse. And so I think you know Jamie Oh. Oh, Jamie was here. he ran away. Um I you know I am happy to sort of look at it. I think they sort of space them based on the recommended tone of light and the fall and sort of like overlapping cone. Um, with that,

I guess my question would be, um, aside from the street along along the terrace, we really wouldn't expect people to be walking there, right? That's not a there's no sidewalk or anything like that. That we will be putting hardcaping on that side on what is the L terrace site. And so we're apply for that, right? Right.

And so we're just planning for it now in in when we're doing the, you know, all the electrical runs and lighting on and I'm if I were to sort of ask the like feedback question, do you have a preference of over window or not over window? If we were trying to thin the countdown, which is the the feedback I hear, is it? Well, you're gonna end up with two smaller ones here. So, you don't really want to write over those windows. So, it's sort of like one, skip, two, skip, three, and skip. I think that

feels better. It does seem like you could I mean it wouldn't be It said skip. Um I think that would be a lot better. Okay. Yeah. I'm I will double check from a safety perspective, but from a from my goal Yeah. Oh, maybe I think I have I'll take a photo of it. Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna write the note. I like the fixtures for for the record. I think those are nice. Yeah. So, we will have one, two, three. You'll have three lights across the facade.

And then the uh driveway side to me that makes more sense to Yeah, that's really got to Yeah. Yeah.

That one already. You have that one and then you're you'd be adding those two. And same thing with these outlets. I just So the the the phase two plan in the front is a is a porch that extends Oh, no. That's okay. No, I was saying you couldn't go below the porch. I don't know. is the porch basically comes up to because part one of our goals and this is not necessarily an HDRB concern but I think residents you probably care

is to make this handicap accessible as a store and as an ery in town and the way the the sort of site plan works is to create a surface that is basically uh flush here here and it goes all the way out and it and it actually like Perfectly. We've laser lined it and it lights up the exact plane at like 4 a.m. So we can really see the You did that, too? I can do that. Oh, yeah. We did that. And so we can create that. And so So you're planning to have a raised raised patio in the front. Yeah. You want those outlets? Yeah. So, they sort of need to sit up, I think, into the wood facade, but

it's there's not that there's only three there because they'll be like, if you were a pedestrian on the street, they'll be tucked essentially like you won't really like see them because they're tucked very low. They're not sort of standing out on a big larger plane, I think. Okay, I'm okay with that. Okay. Yeah, we paint them yellow. Yeah, I'm down with that. So the outlet

I did source ones that matched the metal which sort of matches some of there is some historic hardware inside and so we're sort of matching a a metal tone throughout that is I can't tell you to paint them yellow but if you can paint them yellow that would be a nice one of the pink gray or black boxes in these outlets are you doing stuff here too for like what are those those I think we could do what did on the down terra side like I think we can move those to here as well without issue.

Yeah. Okay. Anything else that we didn't look at that's happening? Uh talk about the door is bang right. So yeah in the right current that's that's there currently that's current that's current the yes this is there the thing we are doing is replacing the siding on this side um it's like a lot of it is almost salvageable and plenty of it isn't

um it just suffered more abuse yeah for a few reasons the ivy and all that kind of stuff um the measurement of this sighting relative to the rest of the whole building is a different dimension and so we're matching the rest of the building in the dimension of the end style of the Dutch lab sighting that matches the rest of the building. I don't know this. I believe this is my perception that this side got resided at some point because it is a not as high quality like wood and it doesn't have as many I think it doesn't have the age to it. It just suffered moisture issues and plant intrusion issues and the shaved side under that big um Do

you have an annotation somewhere in your proposal that says you're replacing the side? We we do in the proposal. Okay. In the Sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And there's Yeah. And then um Jamie created it's not it's not in here. It was a separate document from Jamie. I can sort of show it to the new siding on the terrace facade will match the rest of the building's siding. This is which is original. Why didn't it match? And the other is seven and a half. I believe they'll be what? Yeah. Yeah, same here. Same guy. I had no issue with that. I just want to make sure. Yeah, it was sort of submitted

and I think so that's all for this phase of the project. I don't mind answering any questions about like the next phase. I will I think in the interest of time we are all deeply curious but we cannot right now. Totally. I just want to offer uh Al, do you have any any further questions or No, somebody have a uh motion concerning this application. I am approve the proposal as amended based on the notice that will be submitted. Yeah.

Right. Now the only thing is um in Todd you get the responsibility of putting notes on the on the drawings so that I can uh transfer it to the electronic documents. Yep. I'll do that. Okay. Uh okay. All in favor say I. I.

I got your approval. Thank you all. I'm going to do one more page then we'll get out of your hair. [Music] Okay. Yeah. Are there any you don't want? Uh is this It's going to go in the round file anyway. I will take it and do that. It's just local reference. Let's leave one clean one for Abigail.

I'll bring it back. You can take that. Okay. Okay. 197 199 Main Street. Hi, how are you? Good. How are you? Good. Jason. What we're proposing to do is uh add new sighting to the building all the way around it. And it would be Harley sign to see,

but it would be smooth textured instead of wood. Uh windows. Right now we have a bunch of mismatched windows on the building. Some are more smooth single pane wood. We're going to be changing them all out to aluminum clad black windows and the trim will be painted black forest green. These would be the color combinations in reality. Uh the front porch right now there's two separate front porches. the owners like to combine that to be one continuous front porch to match the rest of the houses on the street.

So that way they they'd rather have one grand entrance and then it is a two family so they build it so it's not too um the windows are two over are they just uh two over so it's going to have a single divided light. Yeah. So, two pain over. Yeah. Oh, two over two over one. Two over one.

Yeah, that's supposed to be it's supposed to be a two over one to match the bottom because on the top what we're doing, we're adding windows for egress because right now the existing double hungs, but we're making the casements they're going to be they're not simulated divided lights. They're going to be Fully divided. True divided. True divided. Yeah. So the be two separate panes on top and one one on the bottom.

Correct. Yeah.

Yeah. None none of the bedrooms, all the bedrooms are part of the building. There's no bedrooms on the side or the back, but they are going to be replacement windows the same size. So you know if you don't allow basement you just make them all make them all

um you are not being you are not uh windows adding any windows. Yeah. And the um the mutton will be mounted on the glass. It'll be it'll be not in between the panels. Yes. Yep.

Uh yeah. I mean, I I would agree on the double hung thing on the facade. Um, sticking to the double hungs if possible. I know they designed these casements to kind of fake it, but they don't do a great job of faking it. Um, so they do that. I think that would that'd be fine. And the existing siding is it um what what is it that is for it? So it's a wood clap. Yeah. That word that it's been patched in uh

Yeah. So and and unfortunately it is acting as the sheathing. So the party would just go right over top of it. Okay. Okay. And then the windows, you're bumping out the frames. The shadow. The trim. The trim. Sorry. The trim. Yeah. Not the frame. Yeah. The trim is going to match the what's what's there now, which I think it is different. I um on the one building to the other, right? Yeah. So, we're going to get it to be what the original one was. Yes. Okay. Reflected in that's on the elevated um simple Yeah, it's just a simple 3 and 12 inch

Yeah. trim. I think the only thing that's different is there's like a little tiny detail on top of the window. Yeah. Great. A little drip. Yeah. Are you keeping that? We can keep that. That's just a detail for the trim. That would be nice to keep that. Yeah. and nice shadow line.

Okay. Um uh I know one of the concerns or just the thoughts that was brought up around the porch. I I personally don't have an issue um with the porch being from two to one. I think if there's a way to keep the uh posts that are there that are the original posts, I think that would be a nice um nod to the to the building. I'm sure people have other opinions.

I do I feel like so many holstering buildings are duplexes and workers housing with separate entrances and um while it's odd as a I guess it won't be a single I understand it's sort of the intention to make a face I think it's really charming and historically accurate making two face porches um in some ways the the entrance the stairs up into a facade feels odd to me there's not a you would expect the central door and that's not the case. So I I think I wouldn't um go to approve of that specific justice.

Al I guess my first question is um do we have am I muted or unmuted? Yeah, we can hear you.

Okay. So my first question is is that um uh has the is the front porch something that is needs approval from the village uh concerning the the sidewalk. And the reason we asked the question is because on Main Street there are a lot of um instances where people have built uh uh porches or or yeah front porches which uh exceed the lot line and so and they essentially were

were building on uh village property. So these ho these houses on this block of Main Street all have quite large planting beds. But even we're looking at the signage application in on lower main. Um I think we're really surprised that the property line was um front porch the property line. I know there's Do you have a survey for the We do not have a survey because we're keeping depths the same as the existing Yeah, they're not planning on expanding.

I mean, for me, it doesn't matter because I I'm not into it anyway, but depending on where you're going, Al. Okay, let me ask uh Abby, has this Have you guys looked at the lot lines? Are they in compliance? No, we have not.

Okay. Um, I would suggest and and I'm just proposing this to sort of head off a potential issue. I mean, you the there are a number of existing um porches which were built on village property, but the village hasn't really uh hasn't really said anything about it. But you're talking about taking down two porches and putting back one big one. So, uh, that may be an issue for the village if you are over the lot line and without a survey, we don't know that.

Yeah. So, right now we're keeping the the depth of the porch would be the same as the existing,

but Alice is saying the existing non-compliant. So, if you're right, so if you remove it, then you have to so we would need a site survey to confirm where that line is. I mean, is there any reason why we can't put this off and and sort of bounce it back to I mean, the other thing that you really need to have, I would think, is a survey to indicate exactly whether or not you're on you're building on your property or the village property. So, um, is there any reason why we can't postpone this till October?

Is there one on file with the um, village? That's something that you can you can foil. These people own this house, I think, for a long long time. No, they they just purchased. No, sorry. the people before. Yeah. Your customers owned the house for a long long time. Maybe either way, I mean, if they get a survey, are you open to this change? I think that the to the the the question right now is is changing from two separate porches to one porch across the front.

So, I would reject it. Todd seems open to it. Well, the question I mean we we can we can uh cover it but I would hold off giving final approval until get that issue resolved because you know the difference. Okay, let's take a look at the uh the plan. Now the existing shows two porches, right? And let me see if I can find the existing. Yeah.

Oh, sorry. I just I don't Kimberly is saying she would reject it. I'm saying I would reject it. So, you don't have enough people who would support the change. So, is it worth I mean I I maybe we appreciate looking into where the property line is, but I don't want to leave false hope. Okay. So, who who uh who who' you say would reject it? I would. Kimberly and Kate, and I imagine Lauren would as well.

Okay. And what's the reason behind the rejection? the historic nature of having two porches for a duplex home, workers home, and the detailing and the scale and and the idea that there's not a central front door. Um so the the the entry sequence is doesn't sort of match up to um where the development are located. It was designed to be two purchases and it will at the moment.

Um all right. Well, if you guys are if you're if we've got two votes against it, then um why don't we identify the you know the specific reasons and um you know have the applicant uh reconsider their options. Um, right. Yeah. I I think at this point it doesn't look like that's going to be supported by the board. So, okay. It's okay.

So, more of a um repair uh the existing kind of condition. Leave them there. We'll paint them the color scheme that that we have. Beautiful. Well, okay. And let me toss out a couple of things because I I don't have any problem with uh changing two options or the two porches to one porch. I think we've actually approved that in other instances. We have uh yeah,

I'm I'm reconsidering my original statement the more that we discuss this. So, I'm leaning towards keeping the the dual porches as well. I think the lack of a center, a central doorway, it does kind of make this feel a little bit awkward. So, I I'm I'm kind of leading that way as well. Okay. I think um my question really have has to do with the exterior cladding. Now, uh on the front we've got I mean, we're changing the siding to Hardy board. Yes. Yes. Is that correct? Yes.

And uh if there if we're replacing any doors, we would probably need information on the what you're replacing it with. The doors are are staying the same. You can see in the photo, it's like a farmhouse looking. They are different in the photos than in the renders. Um the left hand or east door has six lights and this shows three and then the right door has a fan um configuration with five light circle it would be the six over it would be the six light but other I think that's other than that so it maintain the left yeah the six light and match that

um so we should just annotate the drawing but it would be this door that maintained the two entry doors. So, the one on the uh on the east, the current east door would be existing to remain. Yeah. And then the one on the west would be replaced to match the east and that makes sense to me. Okay.

Okay. Okay. Is there anything else that we would want to point out? The roof is staying the same. Yeah. Um a metal a the is that that's a a standing seam metal roof that was going to be posted over the porch, but now if we give it to the two, it'll leave it as a an asphalt shingle. Okay. Okay. Um, I I've got a question concerning uh the front porch and it looks like a drawings indicate it's a metal roof. Is that correct? But if we go back to the two porches we're leaving in as asphalt,

the two porches will remain and they will just be repaired um and painted in their current state. And then it looks like there's an addition of a back porch and a a ramp. They're they're just just a a deck with a set of stairs on the back of the house. And the stairs are now um protruding past the plane that we saw. So they're visible from the street frontage as the deck and the rail. Um that's more for these guys and for you know

Yeah. Um, what are the materials for the rail? Timber Classic composite and black glass infill and cypress strength rail glass railing. Yes. Wood posts and wood railing. class in Phil. Um, I don't recall having a glass alone in my tenure.

Al, have you ever had a glass railing come up before? I can pop up in the guidelines. Um, it doesn't. No, not really. Um, I don't recall. I mean, we we had a wire mesh, wire cable, but not glass. How visible is the back from the It is visible. Be at the tail end of the driveway. So, you kind of look straight down the driveway at the right. Is that correct? No, it's between the building. Oh, it's the opposite side.

You can see it when you're walking up here. I don't have a photo of that moment, but it would be visible in the same way that um um the renovation that River is doing on the building north of Cozy Corner, Hudson Hill,

has that ramp that's coming down. You can see part of their porch. It's similar to that. Okay. Um um do we want to give a approved as noted or uh we just send them a list of things that need to change?

Uh I think we are that the the rear deck is really the last the last element to Gosh, [Music] compliment the style, scale, and proportion of the building. [Music] Railing use historical types appropriate to the style of the building. painted composite material maybe lab.

All right, I I'm going to make a call. Uh why don't we make a list of the things that need to change and give it to the applicant and then uh we can review the revised application at the next meeting in in October. I mean, we're we're good with everything that you guys tell us to do. So, if you tell us to do all these modifications, we'll simply do them. Are you pl Are you trying to get this project started next week? We have the application into the building department approve the doors and the siding.

I think it's just the back deck. That is a question. And if if it's a matter of the wind is weed, they give I think it's because they see the basement. No, not all of them. Just the just the front. So they're going to change them into double hungs. They're going to change all. So they'll all be double hung windows. Yeah. And then if glass is an issue, just tell us what to use and we will use whatever. I mean, if it's a matter of just having a wood wood banisters and railings on the deck, is that what the concern is on on glass feels off to modern for this? Yeah. They just wanted to have be able to see the backyard.

Yeah. Um cable and we did it for lower, right? We're doing cable all the time now. Honestly, River's done two projects with cable. I would be or else it could be like a mesh. I'd be more to the cable. Okay. Okay. Compromise. Okay. So, can we approve um the bulk of the application and then can they submit the specs for the proposed cable railing and that can that be can that be approved at the next meeting?

Well, yeah, we can. I I I mean what I'm I'm concerned about right now is that what I've heard there are a lot of changes that they're going to make. I would like to have a set of drawings which incorporate those changes. Um now, uh what we can do is um is uh if you guys make a list of the changes on this drawing that are to be made, uh we can take a vote on that and then I'll wait until I get up and we can send that list over to the applicant and uh when they send me updated drawings, I can approve those.

That sounds great. Yeah, because it actually I don't it isn't that many. It's not a lot of substantial changes. I mean the porches are going to remain basically smooth hardy siding, a black aluminum clad double hung windows um with the muttons surface mounted, not between the panes of glass. The window trim will have a the window trim will have a small drip edge at the top to match what is on present on some of the current windows. Um the entry doors will match the east door and then we have the back deck that will have the cable railing. Um so I can we can summarize that in I'll summarize that in my notes to you Al. Okay.

Um and then you will you will submit um the cable drawings for us and then that we will review at the next meeting to formally approve. Is that correct? He can do it off. No, no. I I think we, you know, if if they submit to me revise drawings having all of these changes, including the cable uh guard rail, then I, you know, I I I don't have any problem uh issuing a certificate of appropriateness. Okay. Does that sound good? Okay. Do I have a motion? Motion approved by amended.

Okay. All in favor? I I I good. Yeah. So, we will um revised drawings. Yeah. Yeah. I'll summarize everything for Al and then um Yeah. Once reflecting on these changes when you send it to me, issue it to them directly so that they can start working on it. Yeah, that sounds good. Thank you, guys. Cool. Have a good evening. You, too. All right, Joe. Surprised to see you in person here. I thought you were going to zoom in. Get out of a little bit. Safer here than home.

Yeah, seriously. I'm here tonight with um Peppa Car who's um starting an interior design and coffee shop business as one of the tenants for Butterfield building one. Um but there's there's actually two sign applications for both of the remaining two tenants. So currently the building has dancing dialogue on the the far west space. The parlor has been there for about two years now and the last two are ready to lease up and start construction. Both have building permits. Uh so Bella's nail and spa they're currently a Cold Spring B um business I I suppose town of Phillips town up on Route 9. They'll be relocating down and then Rose is new. Um so I think both two nice additions to the building. Uh the signage very similar in style in the sense that they're all channel letters. Uh they'll all have a black finish. They're all comparable sizes. Um there's a little bit of a difference from like the the dancing dialogue sign was originally approved as a sign that was on a building on Main Street that relocated and actually reinstalled on this building

and then the parlor took, you know, typical serifs Roman font. Uh Bella is proposing to match the center two, you know, very very comparable. And then the N2, you know, slight contrast, but again, similar color, similar size, similar type of lettering, uh but a little bit bolder font. And what we're hoping to do with with these two is actually use the sign band to add some keywords. Uh so for the spa, Manny Petty and for Rose Coffee and Design because I think that helps to signal what the business is. So that's that's what we'd like to propose to finalize the signage on the facade. Cool. Uh is this just reading older than that? It is. Yeah, they they will match. Yeah, I think it's the Photoshop and the print, but

it's a little lighter. Yeah. Here we did an elevation. They would be the same.

Um we signage recently came up on another building. They had multiple signs and we were questioning um what the code allowed for and um we did research that since last meeting and it is one sign per um storefront um which to me would indicate that this is a sign for Bella and this is for Raz. And I think it also um helps you understand where the egress store is. So, I don't think that these are allowed, nor would I I suggest them aesthetically. This is this is your main entrance. Um, I can look up the code right now to confirm, but I'm pretty duper unless I'm recalling it correctly.

There's also requirement based on um we did analyze that the linear footage. Okay. Yeah. So linear footage we're well under you know so like for instance for Bella's we'd be allowed you know up to 17 square feet we're using 11 and for rose we're allowed up to 12 square feet we're using nine uh so there's some space in the allowance but um I had thought that that sign code allowed for two per Is it worth looking up?

It is worth looking up, I think. Um I do I mean um I Well, I don't disagree. We don't have any issue as far as the area goes. What we what we should be looking at are the construction and how it's attached to the building. Yeah, I think that actually sorry uh just to clarify. Yeah. Um I said they're all channel all the all the signs that are proposed for the awnings are channel letters. The sign is proposed for the sign bandage but supposed to be painted like a historic type paint sign

painted on painted onto the main. Oh well then we can't painted onto the mason. Yeah, it's like a cast.

Uh that proposes that proposes a little we don't have um perview of paint. So I I the letter is it already? That is already a painted finish, isn't it? No, that's a stone metal stone. Oh, say natural. It's a cast stone finish. It's a but it's not it's not paint. So, it's factory stone, manufactured stone. To answer a question about the number signage, it might depend on where your lot line is. Um

I was analyzing it for Main Street. It says where the building is set back from the front lot line less than 25 ft. That way signs will be bridge 10. Um, so if you know that you have 25D, I'm pretty certain we do. I can confirm at the moment, but we do have a site plan back at the office.

Uh, in general, painting masonry is a no no. Um, we had an issue currently being resolved or somebody painted their signage directly on the brick of the building. um and are currently undoing it. So I think that might that is that is that is an issue when it's a full cladding of it paint. I understand that because you're covering over architectural detail, but if it's if it's you know specific to lettering, it's you know a masonry type paint that get uh there's still an issue. I I think that it also um part of the issue is what happens in the future 10 or 15 years. um you know once this I hope wish you all the success I hope you're here in 15 years but if you are not um who is removing that paint that paint what is it looking like uh what is the

mason the tenant lease they'd have to remove it clean it if if paint is an issue though we could change to a mounted letter yeah I just want people to know what what it is yeah I think it's it's a little tricky because of the way that the awning projects out so you don't have you know if that awning wasn't there rose coffee and design would be one continuous sign. So I don't um personally know that I wouldize you for not being able to do that because you can't because of the structure. What's the construction of the other sign? Uh that dance studio. Those are channel letters aluminum style channel letters.

These could all be similar. So paint is an issue. We're happy to

I think it is. Yeah. I would I would say that that is definitely an issue. Um Al Kate's concern is there being two separate signs. Uh I did kind of suggest that without the awning there, it would really be one sign. Um but there is an awning. So there's just a visual break there that kind of prohibits the tenant from including the words coffee and design in in her signage. Unless you can get really creative in a way to to incorporate that next to not in a way I don't think it's it's legible or or consistent with the other signs.

Yeah. I mean, typically what we've done with all of the buildings at uh at Butterfield there, um we tried to be consistent in the appearances of of the signs with within a building. In other words, um to a large extent, it becomes a question of um overall aesthetics of the building. Uh you know, is it I I I think that we would probably prefer if it was all the same. And um All right. I didn't I'm

drifting off over here. Let let me take a closer look at the drawings. I think the concern that Kate is raising is that is this considered two separate signs and are number one are they allowed number two aesthetically does that work that there are two separate signs and then the other one would be Well, the sign over the canopy is is looks like it's it's problematic. I mean, is it something that could be uh you know uh installed on the door? Why does that look problematic?

Well, because you know, the question really is is that uh what are we talking about? Is it at the edge of the awning? Yeah, but that's what we've already approved down here. which was out out at the edge, right? The hair salon. Yeah. So, it's the same placement. This one will have the same type setting as as the one that was already approved. It's it's more the question of these two elements that are added on. I don't know if you can can you see this on your screen or

Oh, I I see it. I I I called up the drawings and so I can see the um uh you know Raz and I can't make out the first design. Anyways, I I I can't How is that any different than the parlor and the dance studio off on the left? I mean, I I think that if you're gonna Yeah. If you're going to have a sign uh over the canopy, then it really should be at the edge of the canopy like we have on the other canopy.

That is that is what they're proposing. So that's not the issue. The issue is the inclusion of the words inter uh design and coffee at the far right and manny and petty at the far left. That is the issue that we're discussing. The the placement and the lettering of the signs on the canopy is not an issue. So the parlor could come back and request a sign that says hair salon and they could put that between the dance studio and well they could put that right here because they luckily have this entire thing.

The dance studio could put a sign here. It to me it becomes it's no longer a sign with the name of the tenant, but it's a um it's like a secondary billboard almost. And it it's a little bit confusing as far as where the main entrance is and it just feels cluttered. And so that's my aesthetic view. Um I appreciate that you have it laid out as far as code. It is one to two basically. So if a facade is this is a tenant and it's 34 feet, you generally get uh like 17 feet as long as it's less than a foot high.

Yeah. Um and you're right under that 16 17 ft. So you're maxing out the This is less than a foot high. Less than a foot. We're We're eight inch letters, so we're actually only coming in at 11.3. So we're we're fairly underneath that 17. I do understand what you're saying that the multiple signs there's it's a little busier. Um I've seen much worse sinus where it gets really egregious. Obviously, that's why this board exists to prevent that from happening. Um both the businesses believe that they would benefit from being able to you know put some form of you know what they're offering out on the building.

Um you know one had asked you know can we do window signs and you know like uh illuminated window signs. I said pretty certain that's not the case but um so it's it's more subtle than that at least versus some type of you know electronic since Rose is here. Is there a way to flip back to the right? Let me just also point out that my business is at the corner and there is a bit of a hill so it is kind of hard to see if I were to put something in the window. I know not illuminating but you wouldn't be able to see coffee and design anywhere. Um and coffee and design is not part of the the name. So I don't want to put it together

for cold spring coffee shop the names in the right but if it was a smaller secondary font then it might um is there a world where that maybe for both of these signs that they are a little bit a little that's what we have on this one. So we have you know 10 and nine and the other it's um this is 10 because it's it's lowercase lettering to get it to equate to an eight on the the capital. So, they are slightly smaller in height. Um, if you think they need a little bit more differentiation, that's that's something that could be contemplated.

I was even thinking, I mean, maybe this is too radical, but if Rose was kept in a larger, heavier font, copy and design were to sit for example under it in a lighter, smaller font, it would it wouldn't it wouldn't be effective because the the shadow the shadow that that awning is not Yeah. If it was well have to the sign itself would have to come up in full, right? Oh, and then it props up. I I'm not sure. Installation is the stick. This has two lines right on top of each other. It does. Yeah. But that's that's facade mounted on the on the awning. That gets a little challenging without creating a rear structure to support it. That gets very visible.

Um we we've done that, but you get this framework that you see which is not really attractive. Yeah. This is a little bit more elegant. That makes sense. Yeah. So, if they can't be put together, maybe there's something to Yeah. See, I mean, I think the thing is is is that you could also have come forward and asked to put rose coffee and design right here. Sure.

You know, and then and then it would almost feel I think worse because then you're not, you know, visually you want your signage right by the door so people know and then would kind of be like confusing. Why is it off to the side? and then it's oh it's off to the side because they wouldn't let us split it and they wouldn't let us split it because of the the presence of this awning and stuff. So I I personally I think if there was a way to maybe differentiate a little more and have the lettering here and here kind of be more submissive even than it is presented. I think that would help especially since this is so bold. um

give us the the hierarch I think I think that we need to ratchet back. We're getting too much into uh the content and I think that what we're what we need to look at is the uh construction of the the sign and how it's attached to the building. That's what we need to cover and not get into what is more effective as far as what the sign says. I mean, we'll leave that up to the applicant to I mean, it's their sign. It's my story. I'm sticking to it. I have no problem with the content of the sign or how is it it is proposed. Um Al, they were hoping to paint it on the masonry.

That that we we have a problem with. So we would do letter lettering the way that Suz's is the lettering.

I'm I'm still Sorry, Kate. I'm still learning what our purview is when it comes to signage. So, it's odd. That's what it is. I would fly though just to check for I guess it's for zoning, but or sorry, I don't know where it falls, but to make sure that um that 25 foot mark is um met. Otherwise, you wouldn't be allowed to have submit a survey to advocate on the building department. Otherwise, um if it isn't, these two signs would just be eliminated by nature of it. Yeah. or or be in a zoning varian situation. But Right. Right. Yeah. Okay. Do I have a motion?

Okay. Uh I propose that we approve the signage as noted and I guess u you need to mark up the the application to indicate what the comments are. All right. That's that's what I I I move that we approve the application. Do I have a second? All in favor say I. I. I. Okay, you're good. We'll submit an update. Thanks for your patience. Okay, thank you. Thank you.

So, maybe November. But I would love for you all to come when it opens. Please come. Absolutely. That should be a really nice addition to Gold Spring. Absolutely. I think so. Having a coffee shop is smart. Yeah. Interior design homegoods. So, yeah. Nice combination. So, thank you everyone. Have a great Yes. Right. There were two separate.

Hello there. Welcome. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks for start tomorrow. Um over time for this time and a half comment. Um by name is uh yeah no

55 Main Street. Yes. Boundary Rose. Okay. Hey. Oh.

Right. Okay. Um, okay. Here we are. One last. Uh so we are here to talk about windows fencing and the faux foli the greener

you have picture these things. Oh yeah. Great. Thank you. Yeah, that'd be great. And you're the building owner. Okay. You're the tenant.

Okay. Uh Okay. So, where do we want to start? The greenery. Sure. Yeah. Talk talk to us.

So, the greenery I put up as a um temporary resolution to behind that is just all um the plywood. It gets moldy as you can see there. Um the shingles, the rest of the house is best shingles. Uh siding. Really cool. Yeah. Um, so I really didn't know what to do. I put this up just to make it a little bit better than what it was and to hide the garbage on the other side. Um, so that's that's really the story with that. That was a long time ago, like two years ago. And uh, you know,

is there a long-term solution that you have in mind? I I I don't really know. I I I don't want to put the asbesto shingles up. Maybe some other kind of siding, but then it won't look right with the rest of the building. Have you talked to the building owner? Maybe they have anything. I think we're talking about this. No,

I mean maybe Okay. If we want to skip for a second to the fence. I don't know if the fence is I and I'm sorry I didn't uh ask permission, but I thought the fence was like pretty nice with the materials we used and everything. This too is to hide the garbage over on the opposite side, right? Yeah, it's you know, it gets pretty messy over there. Um I Yeah. So, I I think um obviously these three things we would have liked to have gone over um with with you prior to them being done. Um the fence is a little

I don't I don't mind how the fence looks. It's it's a bit different for um the the district. Um is it what type of wood is it? It's the reclaimed barnwood. Yeah. Okay. Um, if if you guys are okay with that fence, then if I get some more of this material, then maybe I could put that along where that greenery is. Yeah. A good idea or a bad idea? I mean, I would even say painting the plywood the same color as the siding would as the siding as the rest of the house. Yeah. Like would would

be a pretty inexpensive fix for it. Um, and not call such attention to it the way that the fake greenery was. And I understand you had that up first and then some other members of the community kind of ran with that. I said, "Okay, here we go." And you know, I figured honestly I did figure after was there for so long, nobody cared and I left it there. Plus, I'm doing a million things every day. I just didn't get around to taking these out. Um, I I personally feel like painting the plywood would both of the rest of the shingle m getting a fan deck from Benjamin Moore and matching as Ben can uh would

it's without it, you know, and again, I'll do whatever you tell me to do. I I mean, ideally, the owner would would match the siding from the building and run the siding down, but I find that probably you could certainly ask this stuff though. I don't think you can get a speestous. No, you can't get a speestous sighting, but I'm sure there's something out there that's similar made out of different material or something if that's you. And I don't think you I don't think you want to have as best sighting. No, you definitely will be able to do that.

Yeah. Um, can we uh you know, we were talking about possibly doing the uh the same wood that you have on the on the fence against the um Well, first of all, I am Am I correct that part of that is being used as an eating area? Correct. Yeah. There's two tables on the side there. Yeah.

All right. So, wouldn't uh we be better off? I mean, I'm just throwing out suggestions. Um, if we if you use the wood that you have on the fence on the building, that to me would indicate would create a space where you can use the uh, you know, where you can have seating. I think that the wood fencing a small a small section of it to delineate and separate the your garbage cans projecting out from the building would be oh like this like that section personally I feel like that would be fine but against the against the building no

I'd agree with that not against the building yeah why not why not why not against the building it's not building material it's like it's like putting up a I don't know why would You shove a fence against a building. It's not thin. I mean, it's what, four? It's four and a half inches thick. And then you're having a I I Well, no. Are the planks that thick? Planks are not four and a half inches thick.

You're talking about the post one inch. All right. Our ours is not to tell them how to do it. Ours is to sort of explain to them the things that we have an objection to. So

yeah, I mean I I as far as where the greenery is covering up, I have no objection to the owner um matching the siding with a new material painted the same. I think that would be preferable. Something tells me they aren't going to do that because they never have before. Um I think that painting that material the same color as the siding is also agreeable. and he would have to create another structure behind it because right now it's a a repurposed pallet. So that in this section I think if you matched what you've done with the fence there um to be clear we're talking about right here

right talking about like a three foot the fence a fence section going in exactly the height of it can we agree on the height tell you what the don't jump you Well, we will keep you safe, but I think you would want it to 53 in high right now, but that's only because of that. I think you probably want it to match to align with that. Yeah. Okay. Right.

And then our guidelines, I was just scanning to see if this vent does comply or not because it does feel different for me. Um, and it does note that pressuret treated wood should be um may be used if painted or stained. So this is not pressure. Close up here. I have another picture. Like it was contact the metal post is pretty prominent. Did read about metal post. Yeah.

After the fact. So um may I uh try to do something about that to make it less prominent? I don't know if he black. I don't know where he goes. Um, uniform is clean to it. Can you cl it? You could just sort of bring wood to clad it so it

touches down the the post. Basically pl this bottom of the post continuous. That looks not good. Well, you're going to end up kind of piecing in sections or replace those those boards and those sections with longer boards. That's the solution. And then you can Use some of that wood for this wall. Yep. Would that be possible? I'm not sure. Um

whether you Well, whether you can find that would that don't know. I got I don't know that right now. I was saying if you when I had the suggestion for there I was like if I can get this again I'm not sure if I can get it right the wood yeah you know to exactly like that. No cuz you know it's it's old and it's been there for a little while now. It's it's it's changed colors.

I mean it'll catch up over time I suppose. Um, I can't think of anything else off my head right now that will make those disappear. So maybe again sort of given the time but um since we're I think proposing that this fence can remain and it's just um altering the aesthetics of the um structure that we come back in a month with some proposed solutions for that. You want you do

well no sorry that the applicant does recognizing that the structure is not compliant that you've come back with some solutions that make it and you would be early in the agenda. In the meantime if I do if I uh do uh get some of this material and in the meantime should I just go ahead and do that or do I have to tell you about it first? We agree it now you could. Yeah. Yeah, I mean I I think that if the I think if the boards dropped down to the stone level and covered the metal post, I think that would be a great solution. And just at the post or the whole thing? I don't think everywhere because you then, you know, leaves, debris, snow.

Yeah, just at the post points, right? Cuz then you're going to end up Yeah. Um Okay. So we if you can cover the metal post um and mounting bracket with wood if you can find matching. Uh that sounds okay to you? Um I'm trying to uh see exactly what you're talking about. I found the uh images that were sent.

So, if you can look at if you pull up this here, I'll just walk up here. Look. Hang on. Well, I'm I'm trying to I I lost Zoom and so I'm trying to refine to find Zoom again. Been there. We Zoom didn't lose you. I know. Well, I hear you guys, but I don't have the image. Oh, I think you would feel good about this solution. All right. If you guys say so, then especially if you hear what I'm about to say next is what is is that um

I'm kind of reconsidering your suggestion around the greenery area and would it look better if it was matching? Well, yeah. I I'm I mean what I from the images whole thing but like from the images that I see that were sent the backside of backside of the perpendicular fence is wood is the same construction planks along the along the building and then a piece of fence coming this way.

Yeah. So I mean ideally if a if along the the building um you know basically you attach it to the the plywood I think that you could probably and you know maybe what you would need is something to fill in the gap between the vertical boards. I think I thought you're saying maybe they butt up against each other or there would be like a quarter and there wouldn't be like this space. It's if you had these planks, right, and you line them up and they have a a quarter inch gap or an eighth of an inch. You put them together and there's going to be a little seam there in between each one.

And then you would so that this these vertical boards would get screwed into the plywood. And then this section would mimic this. Either one. I guess I'm just I mean, ideally the owner shingled that plywood. That would be my preference and it was painted to match. But I feel pretty certain that that's not going to happen. Well, now for

Yeah. I mean, that would be ideal, I think, for you, too. Then they would be paying for it. It wouldn't be any work for you. Um, I think secondary though, I I just am like, the more I'm thinking about it, painted plywood plus a small section of fence almost feels worse. At least if it's a small section of fence with the planks lined up against kind of creating a paneling along that. Um I agree. I mean looks better than the painted ply. It still feels very temporary. So it feels odd that we would be approving something that's not that's well temporary no more temporary than the current greenery. Right.

Correct. But it's a it's something temporary that will become permanent and be there in 20 years. Maybe the next owner will shingle the whole building nicely. I mean, eventually somebody is some good stuff that building up, but yeah, I I All right. So, we we appreciate that it's like a stop gap. Just out of curiosity, uh the fence, what is the height of the top of the fence? 53 in the height of the plywood where the asbestous shingle meets the plywood. I'm I'm talking about on on the uh driveway side. You think it's under 48 because that was the

How high is that fence above the higher elevation on the driveway? 39 in. But that might just be the post. Actually, this one is on the that drive from the the wall up. That's from the wall. But what about from the driveway? Because the wall is the driveway. I mean the question is whether or not it's um it's a legal guard rail which needs to be 42 in. Oh, you're concerned from the neighbor side if it's Yeah. with the drop down

because because doesn't that wall in in effect become a guard rail? Yeah. have it. That depends on what elevation you're looking at. This is on a different grade than So it would be from the higher to the lower. So it would be like you'd have to do it from here up. It would have to be high enough. But nothing existed prior. There's just a drop. Right. So you're telling me that there was a dangerous condition prior to this? There was nothing there. There was nothing there. Right. I know. I know.

Now that we're fixing it, we have to fix it correctly, right? So, it needs to compile.

Well, yeah. The thing is is uh and this goes back to um liability and you know um issues of of getting sued by somebody who fell over and he he gets a lawyer and an architect who say well that that fence wasn't high enough so therefore and you know you have to pay me a million dollars because I sprained my ankle or hurt my back because I fell over it. So, I mean, it's something that's not our issue. I I think what you have there as far as the offense goes, okay, I'm willing to live with it. But for your own um I guess peace of mind, you should check to see how high that is above that the neighbor's driveway.

That's 39, almost 40. So, it's shy of 2 in, right? It's supposed to be 42. It's what what is the um the dimension required? Is it 42 in? 42 inches. Yeah. So that's 42 at least because it's what? But it's not from your side. It's from the neighbor's side. If you were like having a drink from the neighbor's side and leaning on this fence could you accidentally flip over it and 42 in. So this isn't flat on the other side. So here here Oh, it's dropped down to the pavement. Drop down. I'd say without exaggeration at least six inches other than four. And what's that? Four would bring me to 43 three. I think we're I think Okay, we're good.

Uh we're back to the dining area. Our preferred option is that the owner install shingles to match the existing, not asus, and paint to match the existing. If that doesn't happen as a group, are we okay with the fence and kind of paneling along that wall to mimic the fence that's been installed? Yes, but I would want to an elevation of the spacing, but maybe we can agree on the spacing as long as Well, so the this piece would be that, but then the one against the wall tight, right? We don't want them too far apart.

I think you do want them tight because they're old and there's going to be probably an eighth 16th to an eighth of an inch because it's wood, you know, over time. So that I want to bottom up and then there'll be a tiny little space between them. Unless you want me to make a bigger space. There should be like an inch or lie behind but some sort of a Well, the Yeah. The thing to keep in mind is that uh wood is hyroscopic. So, which means that when it gets wet, it'll swell. So, you do want to have enough of a gap so that the the wood can, you know, expand and contract based on how wet it is.

Oh, and a like a quarter inch a quarter inch spacing. Okay. Yeah. I I mean, for example, what's what is a deck? What's the spacing on the the boards of a deck? I'll summarize this and send it to you. Yeah. There you go. Um,

I should know that, Al. Okay. So, the a small fence section will be installed to block the garbage pans. The uh garbage bins, the plywood will be covered with vertical planks that match the fence. Um quarterinch spacing between boards,

right? And probably the plywood should be painted to match the color of the of the shingle of the asbestous shingles above. Yeah, that's smart. That's your reveal. Okay. Now, on to the the bigger Lauren.

Well, the the only thing I did here was put new trim and this plywood up. The these were there. These I these these had painted plywood on them with different trim. One of these windows wouldn't open. So the guys were hot in the kitchen. The kitchen that's that's they had already shrunk those window openings like that.

It was all plywood. Same color as everything around it. So what I did was it took everything off to fix this window and it was leaking. It had a little broken drip edge here and I I put the these trim pieces within so that it stopped leaking. So the windows, they were there. You didn't even replace the windows. Fix those. I made it so it stopped leaking. And I actually put a little insulation in there, too, while I was at it. And now it opens so the guys aren't so hot in there.

Where are these windows located? They're down the east southeast uh side of the building down by the uh staircase that goes up to the tenants. Uh I have a picture that was there. Does he want to see this? Can you see this from there?

Get up. Uh, where am I looking? Here. Okay, there we go. So, back over here. Back towards the back of the building. Yeah, there. But that's that's the garage across the way, right? Oh, I'm sorry. Here. I did it. Okay. All right. It's there. All right. I I guess the question is visibility. So Al Doug is saying that the the windows those windows were replaced

probably by foundry owners long before also without permission and that right uh what drew our eye to it is the fact that he repair he removed the rotted plywood which was painted to match the shingle. So that's why no one ever noticed it until now. Yeah. and fix the window. So, it's just that the the wood has been replaced and not painted yet, but those windows actually were not he did not replace them. They were replaced before him. And I I have no problem with with just painting I didn't get around to painting the wood. Yeah. So, yeah, I'll paint it to match this.

Yeah. Yeah, I'll do that gladly. Okay. Yeah, add it to the list. Yeah, good to go. Um, okay. So, I'll do a motion. Do Do we need a motion? Well, I I guess the only question really has to do with No, not really because uh you know, he he's removing the astro turf. Um, well, I I guess

well, the one question that was going to be is if you can't find, excuse me, longer if you can't find uh longer sections of wood to cover the c the posts and the brackets, you were going to maybe come back with some other suggestion, but but we do need to approve sort of post installation the fence and the windows. Right. The windows were there. So, we're basically approving him painting the plywood. Okay. So, then the fence the the fence,

right? Um, send me the the notes and what I'll do is I'll issue a notice to him saying this is what you got to do. Okay. All right. Okay. I think we're done. Thank you very much. Yeah, sure that you'll get an email. Do you need anything? Yeah, I was gonna say you got Why not? I don't have any. Take it. Thank you. Thanks. Thank you very much. Um,

byebye. So, I'll just be waiting to hear, right? Yeah. Yeah. We'll I'll send it to Al because he's the boss. Even though it looks like I'm the boss, I'm not. All right. And then he'll send it formally. Yes. All right. Thanks a lot. Take care. Okay. You'll get an official building notice. A notice to not do anything else on the current agenda. Wait, Lauren, what is this thing coming up? I just want to make sure we're not missing it because we have to get um notices that people have mailboxes. October 18th is Kate Wood speaking. So we won't have we'll have met like that. What day do we meet? Today's the 15th.

The 21st of October. No, you're right. Yeah. All right. Uh the only other thing is I spoke with Johanna at the uh Butterfield Library and uh I told her that we want three systems set up. One is for the individual building sheets. Two is for the photographs and the photographs wherever possible will be linked to individual building sheet. And then the third one would be maps. Okay. Okay. Great.

Could we could we hopefully not have can we talk about that in more detail next meeting? Yes. The Kate the Kate Wood lecture is on Saturday October 18th which is before our next meeting. Um the other thing is that we are now we need to have a workshop with depot. Yeah. Yeah. So oh maybe we can do that before the Katewood lecture to have time to talk once more. Yeah, that would be ideal. We could basically add a meeting. We can do minutes. We can discuss Katewoods. We can discuss like everything on the board business that never makes it.

I am uh about to be away for basically the three weeks between. So like away remote or away like away. Yeah. Yeah. Uh yeah. Um and I did not mean to suggest a workshop with the intent of not being there, but it may work out. Yeah. Uh, I'd like to be away for that workshop, too. So, do you want to do this now to look at the calendar and pick a day and tell Lauren

because you leave here and start emailing think it's going to all of a sudden the weeks are going to go by and there won't be an answer and we need to I think it is true that there should be a meeting before the Kate Wood thing and also to the workshop. Okay. So, let's let's go ahead and pick a date and if you can check with Lauren, see if she's available. Then, is there a different day of the week, Kimberly, that you're any day because I I have drills on Tuesday.

Is there another day of the week, Kate, that works okay for you? Um, Mondays are then for me. Okay. We only have the boys um Wednesday, Thursday, and alternating weekend. So, I don't want to miss the boys night. So, Monday the 29th.

I'm sorry. This will follow. This is a lecture.

This So, there is Good question. So, we have a lecture upcoming on October 18th. It'll be at the chapel restoration. The mayor's been working um with Lauren on it. Kate Wood is uh a preservationist who'll talk to villagers about how to preserve their building. Um and we want to meet before that just to do any final planning. Lauren's basically spearheading it. She does have some questions about um like availability for videotaping equipment if the village has that kind of stuff. Um, but we should probably send you our note back and just

Right. Sorry. My question was really about the date and what it had to do. So, the date we want to meet before the Katewood lecture would so that there's enough time to all plan if they were planning to do and also propose um as a workshop for the depot to come back. Just a workshop for the availability for No, no other applicants. No other applicants, but the board. Okay. And you said 29th, the Monday the 29th. One of the days or I think we should probably be prepared to have a couple days because we we don't know Lauren and we don't know the depot schedule. So, do you guys need me there because I'm actually out that week? I don't think so.

Okay, that's all. If we do minutes, we could do it and just annotate them. Whatever you prefer. Yeah. So, is there another night that week, Al, the the week of the 29th? Is there We're going to propose for the workshop for the depot and then for the board business Monday the 29th and maybe one other day that week. Would we even do it the week sooner earlier? Like they're ready to go. I think they're making changes. That's That's true. You could do it the week before. The 22nd as an option. I can I can do the 29th. Can you do the 22nd as a backup? Um, yes, I can. Okay.

Okay, cool. I see it. So, we'll propose those to to them, those dates. Those are for you. Okay. Um, and then the I think that's it. And maybe you pick the legal available that I do not know. Let me check. You could always if not this one. The other thing and and we can put this off until next time we meet. Uh need to set up a date for the legal training. Yeah. Yeah.

Uh the 22nd and the 29th if there is a room available. I don't see anything on the calendar. We also got a new website so I cannot quote typically court I think is Mondays in here but maybe that other little room it'll be available. Yeah, sometimes they do use it but I it I think Mondays might be in the day. I'm not quite sure if it's even I'll double check and get back to you like tomorrow. Um or if I can maybe reach out. So have at least one vote rather than that. Okay.

Okay. I move I move that we adjourn. I second. Take three. We don't want to make it to 11. Uh I second. All in favor say I. I I I. I. I. I I I. All right. So, um, Abby, you'll let us know what date we're supposed to be getting together, right? Well, we're going to propo we're going to propose Monday the 22nd and Monday the or Monday the 29th if that works.