Planning Board - Regular Meeting

Good evening. Welcome to the town of Cisero Planning Board meeting. Would you please join us in the pledge of the lead off, please, sir? Aliance to the flag of the United States to the republic for it stands. Thank you. First order of business is the approval of the minutes from our December 3rd meeting. Any questions or comments? We have a motion to approve. Motion to approve. We have a second. Second. Jim, yes. Chuck, yes. Mary, yes. Beck, yes.

I vote yes. Minutes have been approved. Now we'll open the meeting to public comment. If there's anybody here in the audience that would like to address the board on any active application, you may do so now. Given nobody's approach, we'll close the public input and move on to the first agenda item. This is a um three lot subdivision. We're going to be setting the scheduling a public hearing this evening. The uh property is at 5345 Guy Young Road and Jeffrey Krooks is the up Jeffrey here. Maybe Steve told it didn't have to be. All right. Neil, would you make a motion to set the public hearing date, please? short schedule meeting of the planning board on Wednesday, January 7th, 202.

And would somebody like to make that a motion? I'll make that motion. And do we have a second? Second. Thank you. Jim, yes. Chuck, yes. Mary, yes. Zack, yes.

And I vote yes. Next item is a continuation of a site plan. This is for a proposed construction contracting business at 9385 Bruin Road. Mr. Dave Beck, please go up. Good evening. Welcome back. Want to review your modifications? guy based on his reation and now everything it suggests that we had that I suggest. Other than that, I think everything else Did you see the design review as well?

All right. Yes. Let's probably should go. Go ahead. Yes. I had a problem guy. Yes. The design review that this this paper here you guys got copy of seven suggestives. I I um discussed this with Anthony and I have um I can address them now. That will work. Did you see the one he put out on the 14th? Yes. This is the one right here. Okay. Sure.

Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. So basically the first comment said that it was not 100% clear on the drawing that we're going to leave the point on side um at the intersection of Omara and road. So I I assured them that and want to assure you as well that of course we will do that. So we will make sure that the you know the the area that will not supersede the 20 in either direction. So that's pretty make sure that's clear. Uh number two, uh I guess it was unclear on there replace along the west property boundary and they wanted to make sure that it will result in a privacy fence the full length of the property boundary which it will. We will definitely repair the president.

Neil, are we comfortable with either or? Okay. All right. Go ahead. The third one, um, the Delta enclosure, he just suggested I may want to be, um, orient that towards Brewer Road, but I purposely I discussed it with him. I purposely wanted to orient it the other way so we could have access from Omar Drive and he was okay with that. Yeah, that's fine.

Um, so that's number three. Number four, provide protection. of man at the store. This was new to me, but I discussed it with him and I'm okay putting two ballards in front of the door for the press. So that's, you know, no problem there. Um number five, um the it says the note indicates 375 square foot of allowable side. Um, I guess that's slightly higher than what's typical based on the linear foot of the building. It's a lot higher. [laughter]

Okay. So, um, yeah, I think it was done based on the on the lot on the plan. The numbers on the plan were based on the lot, not the building. The reason I chose to do that sign is that's the size of the existing site and I was hoping to ask the board if I could keep the size um, is which is the existing size of the sign on the building now. So I would ask if I could do that. What are the sizes of the existing sign?

Do we have a picture? Yeah, we've uh I think I think the issue is what they have on the plan says 375. What they're proposing is 3 foot by 20 foot sign and then on the side facing a 2T by 11. Okay. So that does that fall under the correct guidelines? That's up to the board, but I just want to point out they're not proposing 375 I think is 50 foot and they're like at 85 82. So

yeah 3x 20 the big discrepancy was the note on the plans. Yeah. Yeah. So, everybody understand that? I don't know what they do with my notes on it, but So, the Mark the square footage of signs that look for is 83 feet and allowable based on code is 50, right?

Yeah. It's just that the note said it was 600 and something was allowable which isn't accurate. This is the larger and we could fill it on the front of the building. Yeah.

Yeah. So the allowable is 50. You have 82. The note says allowable is 375. That's the discrepancy. Okay, I see. So, you're 32 feet over allowable and the board generally is okay with that. I'm fine with signage. Any other comments on the signage? Thoughts? Does that all make sense? You follow me on that one? So, the second you got a second sign. Oh, the sign is just a little sign, well, smaller sign

uh on the And he's saying this if I understand correctly that both sides together um both sides together we have the square footage of of the sign this approximately 30 square foot if I understand correct 32 yes

I didn't I don't know the rules originally I had thought that you had mistakenly that you could do because it's so low you have that starts over again. In other words, probably understood this incorrectly, but I thought that that means the front of the building you could put sign x number of square footage and then but you also have road seen as a corner that you have x number of square footage for that. But that's my understanding that's not how it works.

That would be a lot of signage [laughter] allowing increase that total square footage of both sides to approximately 30 ft or 32 like you said over the allowable. I suspect we don't have a problem. Any questions on it? We're good with that.

And the building. Um so this is the main one. Um, so we're we're putting on the front of the building, as you can see, um, stone on the front of the building. I never intended there to be stone all the way around the building. The engineer drew it up that way. And um I wanted to I planned on doing um metal on the bottom half a different color to keep the elevation but I didn't plan on putting stone on all the way around the building just because of the excessive cost. So um I would like to admit the stone on the north side which is the side of the building as it was significant increase in construction cost if I did the stone all the way around. But I did want to so that you elevation. I was going to go with the black part the same height as the stone. So there still would be a defining on that elevation. So it would be the black and then the gray on the top of the

that was allowable for the stone all the way around. So stone on one side. What' you say? Stone only on one side. Yes. Just one. Okay. And then the sides do the metal. that was going to do the the black metal the same height as the stone. So it still distinguishes the the is recommended by our architectural engineer and I tend to agree with him is that it should be on the Omera side as well. Not not all four sides but two street frontage sides.

But that's just me. I'm just one vote. So need some opinions here. I think that would look good. I I tend to agree with you. I'm just from a budgeting concern, it's extensive. It's probably another 10 to$14,000 additional costs, construction costs that I'm trying to that was the main reason for not buying. When you say stone, you mean you mean like cobblestone facing? It's the stone facade. template right here. Okay. It's the stuff right here that we showed the board last time that's going to go on the front. Oh, okay. That type of stone. Put this all the way around. Obviously, that's

looks like kind of a slate or something. What' you say? Kind of looks like a slate of some sort. I mean, that's what I like the look of it. I should try to, you know, weigh the pros and cons based on the cost, but that's all. But I did think that I'll show you this while we're talking about it here. This is the gray on the main part of the walls that we discussed last time. I thought about keeping the the black on the lower portion in the same pipe as the soap. So, it still kind of looks like, you know, you can see going all the way around that the lower part is black as well. You know what I'm saying?

The stone wouldn't stand out against the black metal. No. Well, it's not going to. So on the plan, this is the metal on the main part of the building and then the lower part is going to be the stone right here. Okay. So what I'm proposing is if we on the side of the building is to save the cost on the lower portion the black metal like that. What would be used to join the two? Well, they they they make a trim uh like a cell trim piece that it's a standard,

you know, I guess it's like a panel you would call it that's designed to because a lot of buildings are, you know, have a color change like that. Okay. So, and then on this part there will be a sill a stone sill that the metal rests on that changes it, you know, the transition from the metal to the salt. do that on all the other three sides or just um I can do that wherever. Um I think aesthetically it will look nice to basically do everything like that because it's it's the same basically the same

except the front. Yeah, the front. I want the sew on the front either way because I think it looks I would like to put it everywhere. I'm just to reduce the construction cost. You know what I mean? I'm okay with that. Yeah, I think the improvements you're doing to the site I think I mean he's working with us. So the black all the way around then. The same height as all the way just the front. Just the front black base just just for to distinguish it. So your eyes can still follow that elevation, you know, to see it has a clear lower.

And what color were you using for the lettering on the science? Um black and yellow. Nothing yellow. What's what's black and what's yellow? So the the the lettering will be black. I'm sorry. The lettering will be yellow and the side itself will be white. So basically you'll be able to read the the words black and it'll be just like exterior lit. Yeah. It's got the uh you know the lighted pan the lights and then the panel that goes in front of you know the normal and what will the side be

same thing same thing just much smaller and um you know that one's going to be only I want to say it's like 18 by I would have to look at it but it's it's in this in the square footage but that was the same thing the other one just bigger So the the letters are bigger and the one on the side is I think it's 16 by 11 but but ultimately they're would mimic each other same coloring. Yeah, same coloring

just simple. So you're not adding too many colors and making like a rain, you know, just more simple and neat and clean. Should be dramatic though. Yeah. Well, it be lit. So you're good with that part?

Yeah, that's definitely answer that part. So um the last one's very simple. It's not There's no uh mechanical equipment or you know there's no mechanical equipment or obstruction of any kind. So that one really doesn't apply. I understand I also want to go over Mark's reviews. Okay. Do you have Mark? Do you want to go through them? Yeah, I guess so.

I guess Okay. Uh did you one comment was clear and recommendation debating at the entrance minimum the entrance and where you do plan. So that was that was a tricky thing and I didn't know how to convey this exactly to my but in lay terms um we are either repairing or replacing all the p so in other words like in sections of the pavement that there the the pavement all around the building has various levels of of wear I guess or whatever you call it. So, some of them are really bad, which we would have to excavate it down and put new base in and everything. And some of them aren't so bad that we could top coat.

We need to outline that. Let's see.

So, so the moral of the story in my head at least, and I don't know how to convey this, I apologize, but but um everything will be new in satisfactory when we're done. So, the best way I compare it is like if I fixed your wall and your wall had really bad sheetrock all smashed up in this side, but this side might have a couple dings in it. Well, I may replace two sheets on that side and then here this, you know, tape and mud and then when it's painted, it would still all be brand new. That's the best way. I just didn't know the the proper way to convey that, you know, before and and the proper way to convey that to my engineer. But that's the moral of the story. So, when we're done, I don't personally want anything to be iffy. It's not like I'm just going to leave a section the way that it is and not touch it. Everything's going to look brand new and strike the way that it should. I just don't want to have to dig everything out and go through the total expense. If there's some areas that he can save without doing the whole thing.

Absolutely. That's the only But when you're done, everything will be 100%. It'll look brand new. So, who's the what did you say?

Yeah. Well, the P I talked to a couple paving companies already, but I haven't decided exactly who they're hiring, but I discussed this with and they agreed with me that they can do this. Some sections are going to have to dig right down. Some of them like 16 inches and they got to put fabric with stone and you know they know their business better than I do but to make it complete. Other sections they can peel off the top coat retan add a little bit more stone and then just take that paint over that. So that's the only reason why I I wanted to put on that repair as as needed as opposed to just totally digging out 16 inches in a whole parking lot and you do it again. Just the issue is trying not to have.

So, you know, we typically like things delineated in writing. So, I'll leave that to council and engineering how to address it. I don't have them. It's going to be up to the paving company. That's exactly what I would convey to my [laughter] exact I don't want it to look and you know I want it to be uniform consistent look it works for me I just you know I just the plan doesn't

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it's condition That's fine. I I think if we're going to approve this tonight with all these conditions, I think one of the conditions is I'm really hoping that we can get this address today. The problem that I have is the engineer kind of out of my control. So every time we send it to him, he's backed up and then it takes a long time to get everything. As you know, we started this months and months ago. I mean, um, you know, exactly what you said was my original plan is to make it all uniform and consistent and high. That's exactly what I want. I wouldn't want anything less. I just if I didn't have to totally do the whole thing and the whole parking lot was just a cost. I understand that and I agree with it. But we need things in writing, right? And if council and engineering gets a little bit uncomfortable with what we have in writing relative to the plans, then it may not work. We'll see where it goes from here. Mark, are there other issues that you would not wanted to?

Yeah. What kind you remove the Yes. Um I thought he delineated that on the

he said he's got a note says wall lighting is a 30 watt 4000 or equivalent per own I just I understand, but you tell me what that light is. You know what that light is? That description because I tried to look it up. Okay. So, if you know what you're putting, it's going to describe what type of leg because I looked at light solutions wide range of them description doesn't cut. It's very easy to go to a website cut this.

No, I I is there a specific light that you want me to use that one picture with a reasonable amount of I can't tell you. No, I understand pick. We didn't get to that level of detail. We'll pick it out. That's all. So I understand that when I do that I have to make it abide by the lumen and the dark light and everything will look the same. Now what has to happen is it needs to be

I understand I understand I understand that but I I did assume and maybe incorrectly that as long as I provided the light that met all that criteria it was accepted. I didn't know I had to pick out the exact light and a light number and a light sheet provided wasn't what you say and an illumination sheet provided as well which wasn't

the cut sheet So if you were looking at these, which which one do you think you the PLT609?

No, no, no. I'm just saying I mean, isn't there a criteria on that says white has to cut off where it says cut off there. Yes, those are the types. Okay, these are light. Okay, I agree to the PLC 13611 right now because I I don't have a problem with that. I just didn't think I needed to pick out the exact make.

Okay, so let's pick that one if we could. If that helps represent a whole bunch of modifications which This is a lost prior and I had thought it was sufficient because he did change it.

He did change the light and provide the information that apparently is inadequate but he didn't. No. Tell them again what it says. Tell them what it says again. Well, I mean what what it says 30,000. So, you know, that's not a touch sheet. That's a description, but I can't tell what that is. What

if I could Just as a question, what does the cut sheet provide? The cut sheet would be that's this sheet right here saying exactly what what one you're using. This not but this is a cut sheet. Okay. So this certainty to exactly what you are using for Okay. I So can I just provide one? Can I provide a country that meets some expectations in a capable light at that time we're good. Will that work? I don't go ahead and do

you see what I mean if the board comfortable with all the conditions all these things need to be met.

I mean I mean just with a few site comments and mainly the thing that we're talking about the cut sheet on the lights. So I I understand where you're coming from and I wish I would known about the light. I would have picked one out. I I think I could probably go online in probably 15 minutes to pick out one that I would like. I had assumed that I just pick out one that meets the correct movements in the side when I was okay. Otherwise, this wouldn't be I think that's why you got I understand I sympathize with your with I mean I understand where you're coming from and I get it. It just seems to me that if we could just agree that everything else we I I think and I hope that we we're okay with basically everything else. The only thing is the light. So, as long as we submit the light sheet and everything to do with the light after the fact, they're okay with it.

We have we have the pavement pavement issue as well. Mark, was there anything else that you needed to

No, the landscaping. This isn't normal for us either. apologize. I'm probably unprepared, but this obviously I don't do this every day. Um, but I would be happy to um to submit an exact like picture with all the details in the cut sheet at any time that you could verify and make sure that's acceptable to you at any time. Um, other than that, I think we addressed every other concern.

Well, the pay the pavement's still an issue. Okay. What if I I I'll just repaint the whole thing. It makes it easier. I'll repaint the entire parking lot. We'll dig it down. We'll do the full base coat. Do the full base, the fabric, everything. Make it 100% brand new. We won't prepare. We'll redo. I'm just trying to move things along. That's all. If that's your choice, I don't want you to spend money. You don't have to either by any means, but if if that's your choice to move things along, the will know that that it will be 100% brand new

and then there won't be the questionable gray area that they're legitimately concerned about that how good are the repairs going to be and that kind of thing.

I'm just trying to alleviate you know concern potential concerns with you know the finished product and and as far as the light picture goes that was out of my scope. I didn't even think about that. I just saw when we get to the final details. I'll pick out some light pictures that meet this criteria. I apologize that's on me. I should have done my homework. I should have known better on that. But I can at any time submit a light fixture with the cut sheet and make sure that that's approved on you and then provided that's approved. We can use it. If you say that's not the right one, we'll submit an individual one that is acceptable. Mark, can you pick one right now that would work? No. [laughter]

I mean, I can I can submit one to literally I guarantee if I if I know the I understand that, but if I know the criteria, I could pick a light fixture. I just I just would like to if possible at your discretion, of course, I would like to resolve this issue and be able to move forward. I understand now. I understand the light fixer, but I can that's an easy thing for me to address. It doesn't seem like a major in in my head doesn't seem like a major thing. I submit you the the cut sheet everything on white picture. You say hey or nay and then I think you know you know I think you know there's six conditions one typical one such so you know resolution and then

we'll let we'll let Neil finish typing. Any questions? that will be able to resolve this whole or were you happy with No, I wasn't happy with that. No.

Yeah. Well, that won't understandable. Any other question? We're addressing them. Yeah. I think you were concerned about the your base. So your base, you were saying if professionals determine that the base of your parking lot is reusable, they're going to reuse it. But any unusable base, they're going to dig it down and then they were going to resurface.

Yeah, they're going to resurface the entire thing at the same time. So, it's complete, not patched. But I don't necessarily think he needs to tear out, but we're leaving a discretion. Somebody's not here. It's not in writing. Makes me nervous. If you look, you remember the aerials. Remember it. Right. But if he's removing all of I just wanted the board to know that we're not going to leave the paving completely there, then catch up to it. All of the top part that you see will be brand new seamless originally. That was But if it helps to expedite things, I'll just you can't repave or do paving this time of year.

Okay. So, you're going to re repave the whole Okay. What about the base for just where it's needed new material or everything will be everything will be consistent. So there will be no like I said there'll be no patching there'll be everything will be you know the whole part

and the base will be the base the base will be what it should y the base will be um totally redone as needed or if you would rather than I rip it out and redo the whole base as well The the moral of the story is that either way I don't obviously it's in my best interest to have it uniform and look good and that's the way that I wouldn't in other words I've seen where people in driveways where they'll repave a small section or they'll add a lane and when you don't do the whole thing it looks very unsightly you can tell where they add this that's clearly was never

and and you'll appropriately stripe Yes,

waiting for Neil. See what he comes up. That's okay.

So, that's got to be provided. Okay. And the question is when I could have I could I'm at the Yes, I like that. Okay. Yeah. We'll be on the phone tomorrow morning. How fast he'll actually get it done. A week might take two weeks. You know what I mean? Obviously,

well, it's obvious that we can see that you're take pride in what you're going to end up with and yeah, do it right and make it look anything. And that's why I didn't want to watch the kick out fight. I wanted to when I got to that point take my time and really kind of analyze it a little bit, you know. I didn't realize, but now I'm going through that process right away. And I don't doubt you one bit. That's that's not what this is about. This is about having things done properly and in writing like we do for every applicant.

No, it's just just me. I didn't do my homework. I didn't realize that I needed the exact maint I'm I'm in construction obviously. So anytime that we to make and install products that need to co and build stuff that need to co. It doesn't matter what product you have as long as it needs to. Like for example, we need to put our 49 in craft base insulation in the seal. It's got to be an energy of at least our 49. Doesn't matter what brand it is or what kind it is or the spray foam or fiberglass. It just has to meet that. So that was what I wrongly had thought all I had to do

otherwise I would have picked it up. You want to read the proposed motion, please? Oh, I'll make a motion for a standard seeker. A second. I'll second. Jim, yes. Chuck, yes. Mary, yes. Zack, yes. And I vote yes.

This is condition on the following one. elevation presentation incorporated by refri that maintain the will reconstruct that will support high quality that's the stone facade on the front of the building. The will present condition.

So all of those conditions need to be on the plan. Yep. and you'll submit them to the zoning office before they issue with CO. I'm sorry. The building permit please building elevation building.

Okay. The one we have shows the stone. So the new the new one will make it show the metal on the bottom and that's on the front and then and then obviously the other ones are as I written to you. I'll change them on the plans the design um site comments and building

questions. Do we have a motion? Do you have to do any roof work on that? Um no. I want to probably redo the roof this year just is it shingles or Yes, but that's just the main thing really unless you want me to include it. I'm going to do it any um there's four there's like four different sections of the roof that are already just got redone. So, there's one more section. So, I'm going to do that anyway as a noral maint.

Yeah, we have a motion. We're good. Would somebody like to make that a motion? I'll make that a motion. Do we have a second? Second. Jim, yes. Chuck, yes. Mary, yes. Zack, yes. Yes. You're all set. Just get that stuff to the zoning office. Yep. All right. Good luck with it. Thank you. Thank you. Next item on the agenda is Fulton Savings Bank property at 5480500 Bartell Road. Good evening.

Good evening. How are you? You're welcome. So we did a plan very [clears throat] quickly this then we hired landscape architect. So one of the sh is the building department, but we've got it done. So, we can with it and discussing it. Um so that was done. We also had question about stone on the base of the building versus so we redid some of the AI inventory stone on the base which I'm still not in but that's what you want.

So those two items start then from the county was able to go through each one of those I don't I read the county's letter, but I haven't seen any correspondence between you and them.

Most of those are going to be things like entrance to Bartell. So they can do that aside. So we can address all those things is

what did come out of that discussion with the county though what they're proposing I originally when I when I did the original sketches, I was going to regrade everything and drain everything to the to the out and the county doesn't like that. The county doesn't want to go through the whole peritting process of having people work in there right away. So, uh the landscape architect and the county about it because I said why didn't you she drain this this site like the site is currently sheet drain right now drainage starts on the left where the restaurant is that building all the way across the site goes past the entrance and drains corner where the plaza building is starts here across the site ends up parking lot.

So what the landscape architect did, we submitted a drainage plan with this I believe um he she drained the site which two things came out of it. The drainage will go exactly like it does now on top. What he did was uh if you see along the southern end there the landscaping islands he creat the the roadway which is really sight now parking would continue to drain left, right? And then on the upper left hand corner there, he took out had originally proposed as an island here. He took that out and made that a strength area to allow the water to go by it. So continue. So that's what this plan starts to show. and we know we need to do more detail with regard to it. But that's where we are with that. Then the next review came from designer two items there. First item was the canopy over the staff entry. We don't really have part of this problem is my problem because we still figuring out this building.

We got to start tomorrow, but we're still figuring out what we're doing with this building. We're trying to get in here so we can give a concept plan good enough that we know we can move forward. Um that that first item talked about this entrance here. And there used to be on the original plan we showed was there was a canopy over the top of that in our we said well that's crazy we didn't need that so the canopy became basically so we took the walls up finished it and that was that so so the the plan is incorrect but they haven't submitted a new [laughter] uh so the old is incorrect but the elevation is correct

problem solved. The second item was an item that we talked about last time also go back to the original. This is based on 6. I don't think it's just frontage, is it?

It's property boundary, not frontage.

Yeah, basically the idea. So they're saying we need 15 trees with This was the plan he came up with before that we're showing seven trees. We had to debate over and 209 350% [laughter] and 50% less trees. Um, one of the reasons the bank really likes this site is its visibility from Bell Road. And you notice there aren't any trees on that site. So for us to go and plant trees on front of defeats the purpose of having the site being so visible from the bank. We're more than happy as we show as the architect shows here all the trees along the southern of the site along the entry area of the site. We don't want to put anything more than 5t high between. So I guess my question is more than can beat your shrub requirement. How many trees?

Yeah, from my perspective, I'm going to want to see a few trees up front and they can be small decorative trees. We just did this with our police department who wanted visibility and we were able to come up with a plan that worked for everybody and I think it's an important part of our architectural standards to have tree line along the road frontage. So that's because this is new. Our architectural standards are relatively new and we're going to start doing them. We are doing them now. It's like we just like I said we just required it for a police department a couple maybe a month ago and they didn't want to do it.

So how many are the problem? Did I say a couple or a few? Six. How about three? Four. I don't know. Design something. And like I said and I want to not I'm the only one I'm only one vote again. But they don't have to be big trees, right? And um they don't have to be evergreens. No. I saw one behind them trees. Same thing with the police department.

They want the tree at least four or five feet. We could cut the bottom branches off which is what the police department did. So, so we have they land a great great job of picking those kind of trees where they're visible Japanese very nice but if I've got a couple Everybody else agree with that?

Yes, that's reasonable.

No. Yes, of course.

What if one thing you came out of this working the land owner hired CN. We've always had a concern because we don't know what's happening shoreline and we now have real definitive information. They excavated on the southern end of property. indicated that somewhere between there and the restaurant originally when the restaurant We had we had copy of the original drawings. There's supposed to be a manhole there with a sign in line was coming out of my 8 in line to pick up any extension of the storage. could go to the west kind of made sense and you can see on that drawing there's a clean event there that we believe we believe to that 8 in line we don't know that uh you can see that the next door over does the same thing so we think that 8 in that future so it shouldn't be a problem for us even though we still got to go through the county all the usages all that whatever we're going to tie in there. There is no manual orange line coming from the restaurant somewhere along the way ties into that 8

in but there was always a concern over is this a public I guess it is that line was put in by the so I don't know what that goes into with regard to getting a building permit. We'll work with the county to make sure that whatever is tied in at the manhole, they must have a record of it so they understand our building the only building they can tie in.

But then that becomes the owner's issue with regard to can she expand in the future property owner, right? But as far as bank is concerned, it's a lease parcel. Our concern was how do we get our sewage building to now we know at 8 in existations and all of that. So we have that on record. So that's where we're going and I know Steve had a concern with it before. No, we're not. So that's that's the latest.

Okay. Other than that, we hired landscape architect. We're progressing with a lot of that. We're still doing exterior lighting and we're doing the illuminance studies for the site lighting. So, they'll come out the recommendation for fixtures and then we're starting hopefully in January.

Terrific. [laughter] We just keep you up to date and any other comments you have. We'll be more than happy to answer them and be on top of this because eventually we'd like to get started sometime in the spring. Our other issue is you know building changes in January with the changes in January. So there are some interior planning issues that we have to deal with handicap seven So you know things are emerging next

not going to change our building but it's may change. So we're working on that get that done. I'm sure we'll be back again to what's going on with the site. Terrific. I'm excited about it. See if there's any questions. Ch. I'm good for right now. Chuck, we're looking forward to progressing in this. And let me ask one more question. Yeah. You have to use what the stones.

Why don't you like that? I think it's

it's one of those in the same manner original. So I was just trying to follow through on that to the bank only owns one building. So this is kind of like the upgraded version of what they did [laughter]

but if it's if it's a it's something that it's got a stone.

I just think that looks a lot cleaner. That's all in my estimation. I'm going to jump in. I agree with you. I prefer the brick. I I I'm not a fan of the the limestone base today. It's just like the gentleman just left put stone on the bottom of this building which now the more you do that is different. Stone is different. Now in my eyes I like I like But it's up to you. Jerry will not argue with the question.

Do the design standards require a different color or tone? I think they do. Right. a definition, a definitive definition, not this. I gave him two cents. I think I personally prefer what's shown on the screen right now. You don't have to approve that.

No, I don't. But yeah, we can give you some direction get more we can get done. I'm I'm fine with that. I agree with Zach. That's a first. Whoa. [laughter] Hey, so any other questions? Mary, any other questions? No, I'm good. I think the building looks very nice. It does. Yeah, it does. And you can see in the new rendering.

Yeah, I did see that. Yeah. Yeah, it's very nice. Is that kind? Because you said there is an gingerbread treatment along the top. Yes. Yeah. real quick. Um I think Mark had mentioned last week when uh the swing that where the the three car three cars come into the the um to go around to the drive-thru wasn't quite wide enough. They taken care of that. Oh, it's they did a nice job. So they they moved it back or I mean to they w it out. Okay. No more. Good. Okay. No.

Excellent. Neil, anything. Park. Uh, no. Not at this time. Great. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. That concludes our agenda items. Any questions or comments? Just want to wish everybody a very merry Christmas and happy Hanukkah and a great and safe New Year. We won't get together again until next year. We have a motion. I'm sorry. Go ahead, Joe. Been a great year here, too. I'm busy. Do we have a motion to adjurnn? Motion to adjurnn. And do we have