Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Three months of sweets. Yeah. My company had a sweet bowl for lunch. Just we have brownies. We might have to make a blood sugar. We have brownies. We might have to lie. Sounds good. And I'll actually go down there because I'm representing the applicant. Sounds good. Um he's not we we do hope you can join us on Zoom. But thing I was worried about is us having a good now we're good. Yeah. No problem. Okay. Just make before we move in.

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Well, my compliments to the purchaser. Let's see. Not quite my way. So never don't hear my swing. No.

What's that? Usually your ears are burning, so I assume so. Right. Mine was like facing that way. Somebody really didn't want to be heard sitting right here. It was me. Thanks. You're welcome. Last one.

Excuse me. Sure. Are our screens going to turn on? We have uh screens turned on up here. They're all black. Mine was off. Oh, you need to do something. Yeah, there's there's lowest button on this side like a somewhere. Yeah, right there. I work in it, guys. I promise. Did you turn it off and back on? Oh, I I I have never once had to have it manually right behind the monitor on the desk. Now, whether or not there's a video feed to it, that's

I'm not going to lie, I'm glad we didn't officially start the meeting before I said that. Is that on the record? It's still being recorded, though. Thank you. Cut it in post. We're live. Don't buy that. What did it all night it? Have you turned it on and off again?

Peter, excuse me. We are ready to start whenever you are, Mr. Chair. Uh, I don't have any additional commissioners on I guess. all but winter here. So, I just get get waiting until it actually flicks over to 6 pm officially. Oh, sure. Thought I'd get you a heads up. I appreciate it. Thank you.

All right, we'll go ahead and bring the Syracuse Syracuse Planning Commission meeting of of December 16th to order. Um, we will have an invocation or thought by Commissioner Sheay, followed by Pledge of Allegiance led by Commissioner Anderson. You'll do.

Our beloved Father in heaven, we're indeed grateful for this opportunity given us to represent this wonderful city of Syracuse. And Father, we pray tonight that we'll be able to do those things which will benefit this city and benefit the citizens who live here. We're grateful for all that we have, especially this time of year as we celebrate Christmas. And Father, we're grateful for all our many blessings in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen.

We invite you to rise for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. All right. Next item on the agenda will be to uh adopt the minutes from our December 2nd meeting. Um, barring any edits or updates to the minutes, I'll take a motion to adopt.

Chair, I didn't see any corrections needed, so I'll make a motion to adopt the regular meeting and the work session for December 2nd, 2025. We have a motion. Do we have a second? Second. All in favor? I. Any.

Next up, we will be opening up our public comment. This is an opportunity for the public to address the planning commission regarding items that are not on tonight's agenda. So, if you have uh comments, but there are two specific to um items that we'll uh address later, then we would ask that you wait until that public, excuse me, that public hearing. Otherwise, um please take a few moment. We ask that you limit your questions or comments to 3 minutes or less. Seeing none, we'll close public comment and we'll move on to item four, a public hearing in site plan. All right. So, this uh just just to clarify uh we realized when after things went out that uh the agenda said it was a home occupation. There's currently a home occupation operating there for the preschool. Um, this application is to expand what's currently uh being operated out there. So, this would move it into a commercial level uh facility. So, uh the the current impact is still very low. Uh they don't want to change or expand the size of the building currently or anything. They just needed to put in some parking and make sure they had buffering and things like that. That's that's what the site plan covers. So, so as far as the uh the actual um approval here, I've got approval language. It just specifies that it's a site plan as opposed to a home occupation. So, just to to clarify that one point. So, uh for those of you that recall, this would have been uh almost a year ago. Oh, there we go. Uh that we approved the home occupation. So just a home business which again is currently in occupation. Uh the stuff has been constructed now. Uh they've been working on bringing

things into uh what's proposed here. So um basically same home. There's a building back here as well. Um and it won't be a a home anymore. I guess it's going to be changing to again a commercial uh preschool center. And then they've got this semicircle driveway they've built. They've added parking uh bicycle parking and access uh to the front door that provides access from the sidewalk. So that will take their pickup and and drop off takes it off the street so we don't have any complications there. They've also got detention that they've built and and fencing has been moved around. Um they've also installed buffer fencing around the exterior which is why that's not indicated on the plan. Um, so it's one of the few cases where uh the project was sort of in uh progress as we were working on reviews and they started actually meeting requirements of my reviews physically instead of just on the page which doesn't happen very often. So um what is shown here though meets all the requirements of the code and uh if they do decide to expand the number of parking spaces here covers the number of employees that they currently have and anticipate to have with their current business plan. But we do require parking per teacher. So if they expand numbers of teachers that would increase required parking. Um but currently with what they have uh everything is compliant, meets all the requirements of the code. Um so we would recommend approval. Thank you, Royce. Okay. Um this item is uh open for public hearing. Um, we'll uh open that up and again, same rules as the public comment section. If you have any comments, we would ask that you limit them to three minutes or less. And if you could, when you get up to the microphone, please state your name and your address.

My name is Russell Thor. I live on 500 West on the other side of the street. So, actually my address is in Clearfield, but uh my concern is the safety because uh that road has gotten really busy and I've seen cars backed up all the way down the street when they're dropping off and picking up. And I wonder if possibly they could install some flashing lights for a school zone or something because uh the traffic goes really fast by there and I'm just concerned for the safety of the kids. Okay. Thank you. Do we have any other public comment? Seeing none, we'll go ahead and uh close public hearing for this item. Um, we'll open it up to commissioners and uh for questions, comments, and do we have the uh applicant here in the Does anybody have any questions for uh for the applicant? Or if you'd like to come up and address any concerns that have come up, you're more than welcome.

As she's walking up, uh there's that existing driveway and it's showing the fence going across there. Is there a Is that going to be a gate or is that uh no longer access through that driveway? Do you want me to comment on that? Sure. If you Okay. Monica Gayy um applicant. Um so that fence is completely gone and is pushed back. Um there's a temporary fence right now because we were waiting till construction was over, but that's going to be it's behind the retention pond. So it's probably So if you head uh west to the corner of like the house Yeah. It's coming off of around there. And does it cross Yeah. the driveway? Does there a gate there or what? Are you

Um, so we do have we had a gate. Um, it's just taken down right now because of all the construction that's been going on. Um, it'll go back.

Yeah. Yep. So, we just wanted to make sure everything was good before we put it in and had to pay money to take it out again. So, um, and to address, I guess, your concern, um, on, uh, the safety of the kids, um, it's obviously been a mess with the construction on 500 that we've been, um, having to change what we've do been doing, but, the company, um, I forget their name, um, has been awesome to work with and we've been in communication during the whole project and, um, so they actually went between the city and then made sure that the asphalls got poured so that we had a place to go in and out of um, during the winter, But doing the drop off, taking it off the road, the kids um there is the driveway, but then there is the sidewalk that the kids get out and walk on and go straight into the school. And so they aren't ever out um by the road. Now, that was just a whole temporary thing while construction was going on. Um so hopefully that helps with your concern on the safety um that that sidewalk that you can see goes straight into the school. They are dropped off along there and then walk inside. So the whole um place is fenced and so they are always if they are even outside they are um behind the fence which is six feet.

And Monica during drop offs do you have a staff member outside? We have two. Yep. We have um right now we have our um director and then our teacher out there. So um if we expand and have another teacher that teacher will also be out there as well. And so I think that's just will help the Thorston with their

Yeah. Yeah. There's always at least um one if not two out there, but as more if there's another class, there will be more. Um but the parents are not allowed to drop their kids off without an adult either way. So um safety is huge for us, which is why we wanted to have that drop off because at our other program, that's what we've done for the last six years with our preschool and it's worked very well. And so we wanted to keep that same kind of structure. Um moving over to this location, I have a couple questions. Is your uh school day the same as a traditional school or is it staggered during the day? Um it's staggered and it's just it's preschool so only it's like a couple hours at a time and so

there's never a point when everybody's kind of coming all at the same time and it's staggered or does everybody come for drop off? So right now we only have one class at a time and so um of 10 kids and so some car poolool and so you I mean the most you would have is 10. Um right now because of the construction you are seeing the cars they are on the outside of the white line. Um but where there is dirt and uneven where they could I mean I guess where they potentially will be on the side of the road right now that's kind of not there. So, I think once that's done, it's not going to be an issue. Um, but they do stagger. So, there's afternoon, there's morning, and there's afternoon. And then different days have different times as well. So,

do you anticipate a time when there would be enough volume of cars coming at the same time that it would spill out of that semicircle driveway and interfere with the main flow of traffic? You say that there'd be a little bit of a a buffer on the side of the road for them to be. Is that what I heard? Um, yeah, cuz even right now, I mean, you can fit what, five to seven cars in there, which we had to do that for capacity. Um, but there's definitely no way that we could have done a driveway that would fit all

kids attending. And so, they would park on the side next to the curb, which is well, now where there's the median and there's the whole side parking, um, I I don't foresee impacting anything. Um, but they will be coming inside the circle to pick up and drop off. What about for cars coming from the opposite direction that would have to do a lefthand turn across traffic? You see for that as any kind of issue on the impact of that? No. And we I mean we rather it really wasn't even a huge like with the construction and stuff it I mean even with the craziness it still worked decent. So I imagine when the construction's complete it's going to be even more smooth. So

thank you. Yeah, it was I mean before the semicircle was in there that was a little harder because there was no way to turn around when they're coming from the south but now that there is the driveway even from the south they can come in and they can turn left or right so which is better. So what would be the I mean this is no longer a home occupation. What's what's the capacity now or that that this would change to? Do we know like what where where do we cap out?

Uh there wouldn't be a cap for something like this. I mean it would be limited by whatever the state regulates. We we actually don't really have any regulations specifically about commercial type daycare or preschools in our code. So it is all by like capacity and so once you go um commercial preschool you have to be regulated by childcare licensing. Um so department of health and human services. So they come in and they have regulations and it's done by the fire marshall and licensing together. And so we would do maybe two three classes total. Um which is still still a fairly small commercial preschool.

And so you're like if you were to get more licensing you could have more students. Um you still have to have like the space for them. Um it's not like you're going to hold a preschool classroom in the kitchen. Um so how many spaces in the home? So we have right now just upstairs and a downstairs. And so we have another classroom that and so the most we'd go is probably three classrooms, but right now we are just expanding to just a second classroom. We could potentially three with 10 10 kids in each one. So yeah, maximum will be 30. Yeah.

At one time. Yeah. Any other questions, comments or Thank you. Okay. Y All right. Additional comments or concerns. Otherwise, we'll take a motion. 500 West has been a two-lane roadway. They're expanding to have three lanes. So you'll have a center turn lane which will help with the any left turns coming in

if they won't be blocking. So, even if they have to wait. Um, but they could still have a lineup. But, okay. Seeing no more comments. Chair, I'll make a motion that we approve the planning commission approve the request of Monica Gayy for approval of a site plan at approximately 2397 South 500 West. The proposed site comprises approximately 1.427 427 acres in the A1 zone. Thank you, Commissioner Garter. Uh, we have a motion. Do we have a second? Second. All in favor? I.

Any opposed? Motion passes. Moving on to item number five, public hearing for conditional use permit. All right. So, this one's actually pretty simple. Um, I guess I mentioned we have no regulations in the code for the for commercial preschool. We do have parking regulations. So, but that would be it. Um, so this is a conditional use permit in the A1 zone for educational services, uh, which would take this into account. Um, and and we're it's always a back and forth game. The state has recently changed more codes to allow different types of school uses, uh, generally, um, which wouldn't necessarily apply here. So, uh, just because it's under 5 years old, um, we decided to go with this use, but the conditional use permit in this case is literally just a conditional use permit because it is required in the A1 zone to be a conditional use. So, uh, what we've talked about so far would address, uh, really anything that is in the code that would regulate this use. Um and so the discussion here really would be limited to if if the commission sees any uh sort of egregious issues that could be addressed easily with a condition, a reasonable condition or conditions. Um uh but if not then then we would be uh obliged to approve. So um we would recommend it be approved. Again, they do meet the parking requirements. Those the only aspect of the code that would regulate this use. Um and and it is conditional in the code which several years ago uh was determined at the federal level. Conditional uses are uh basically permitted uses that we can apply conditions to if we need to. So um if there's any questions about that though um I really don't have anything additional to present beyond what I've already presented for the site plan.

Uh this is again uh keeping in line with the rules and regulations. This is open for public hearing. Same rules as before. If anybody has a public uh hearing comment on this item, we'll open that up. Seeing none, we'll go ahead and close public hearing and open it up to the commission. Again,

I think this is pretty straightforward in my opinion, but just want to make sure everybody has a chance that state otherwise would uh I mean we've provided conditional permits before with some speculation or stipulation that if they go above a certain number of students that they would want to come back to us or I I'm not sure about the legality to be honest. um where our attorney's not here, I would be hesitant to to go that route.

Uh and we established, you know, 30 would be the topping out, but I 30 coming and going at once. Uh that turnaround can might be a little crowded if they come all in 10 minutes, but it could probably still handle it. Okay. So, I I don't have a big concern. I just didn't know if there was any need to consider that, but yeah. And probably as she said, the state or the fire marshall would let us know if there was any concerns. Yeah, we'll rely on finalists. I've had a comment. Thumbs up. We're good.

I had a com comment tagging on to that. So, this conditional use permit, is it specific to the preschool or is it just education in general? Like, could she in theory turn into a charter school down the road as long as the population was set in a certain standard? So again with the changes the state has made um with a use like this where it's kind of a smaller school the state has a use called a micro school. So the only reason again that we're going this route to my understanding discussing it with the applicant is because this does not uh it accommodates children under the age of five. So if they went to a charter school that would be children over the age of five and they could go the micro school route and then it's like a charter school. they they kind of bypass most of our code requirements by doing that. So, um yeah, so I I think the state regulations though with preschools are very rigid. So, we do have another regulating body. We're not left alone in this one. But yeah, if they decided to expand it beyond what it currently is, if they decided to change the building or expand parking, things like that, we would be coming back for another site plan approval for this this organization. So, that's all I have.

All right. All right. Uh if there are no additional comments, we'll take a motion. Okay, chair. I'll continue this on that. I move the planning commission approve the request of Monica Gayy for a home occupation conditional use permit for educational services at approximately 2397 South 500 West in the A1 zone. Thank you, Commissioner Gardner. We have a motion. Do we have a second? Just sorry, just to be clear again, uh our our my mistake as well, uh home occupation. So, it's not a home occupation. It would just be the conditional use for educational services. So approve for the conditional use permit for educational services. Correct.

Okay. We we'll uh for the minutes purposes will uh amend that motion. And we have a motion. We have a second. Yes. Second. Uh we have a second. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Okay. Moving on. That motion passes. Item number six, public hearing for preliminary platos by Ed Green.

All right, so we we discussed the Westlake Landing subdivision recently. Uh this is just to the south of that. Um let me zoom out again. So this is the sort of residential component. They're they're not the same. It's not uh the same developer necessarily, but they do kind of work together going through the approval process at the same time. uh which is why uh these trees here are shown. This is not part of the subdivision. Uh the uh engineer wanted to make sure that the neighbors knew that there was buffering planned for the commercial. Uh but there also is buffering that's going to be included here for the new residential against the commercial, which I'll discuss in a moment. So uh but what's been shown here, it meets all the requirements of the of the zone and the city code. Um we've we've had a couple of iterations just working through things like lot width and road design and so on. Um you can see they've included the new uh low volume local cross-section here. And so uh this provides access to the south so that if and when this decides to develop here, we have a connection there. And uh buffering wise, this is kind of a unique one. We're going to have a few of these, I would imagine, along the the West Davis corridor, but they're going to be building a sound wall per our buffer code. And then, uh they're also going to be doing buffering against this commercial subdivision, which uh there has been some question about timing in discussing that with the applicant. So, um I've I've spoken with the applicant for West Lake Landing and and uh also with the applicant here for um this subdivision, the residential aspect, and uh what we would like to recommend the commission uh include as part of the approval is just to clarify that this

buffer uh is one fencing type between the two. So the the applicant here though on the commercial side is fully anticipating doing the 6-ft pre-cast concrete privacy fence is required by the code. When you put commercial in next to existing residential, that's what's required. However, on the flip side, if you put in residential uh next to existing commercial, it's a lower uh intensity. Um, and also if they put it in, and we considered this to be agriculture where it's not developed yet, they put in this first for some reason. It's just a chain link fence. So, we fully anticipate this moving forward. Uh, the the commercial aspect, they've been moving very quickly. Um we already approved or not approved sorry we we've seen the uh lot five and lot one here site plans in ARC the architectural review committee and anticipate hopefully seeing those in the next planning commission meeting but they are they are planning on putting in buffering along those and then also anticipate uh putting in the the buffer and the six-foot pre-crust concrete privacy fence along the edge of the residential. So, uh, all of that to say that we would request the planning commission as part of your approval, uh, state that the buffer against the commercial subdivision, this Westlake Landing subdivision, be a 6ft pre-cast concrete privacy fence. So, we don't ended up with multiple fences butdding up against each other. Just seems unnecessary. So,

one-sided. Yeah. And Yeah. One-sided, right? and and it would clarify a lot of things moving forward. So we're not then fighting back and forth about what buffer goes where and everything. It's just cleans things up quite a bit. So um and and again that's the the basis there is that this is moving forward. I think if there was a lot of hesitance or we didn't see this as a viable thing then that would that recommendation may be different but um so uh what's been shown here though meets all the requirements of the code. Uh we do recommend it be approved as shown. Again with that that one amendment the planning commission require the the fencing along just this line here to be the sixoot pre-cast concrete privacy

and then the soundwall is not the 6T pre that's the 8ft concrete as well. Yeah. This and the sound wall. Yeah. And that's that's going to have to go in the way it's shown here either way. Thank you, Royce. All right. This is uh going to be open for public hearing. Same rules apply. Please, if you have any comments about this item, limit your comments to three minutes or less. Anybody online? No.

Okay. Having none, we will close public hearing and open it up to the commission. Uh just a reminder that whenever when we do get to a motion to make sure to include the uh fs and unil got unilateral the fencing questions coming. Do we want to have the applicant come up or Yeah, do we have the applicant is in the room?

Good evening. Eric Krathor, 710 North, 2400 West in West Point. Nice to be here. I'm representing Ned Green and part owner owner of this project. So, questions from the commission. Appreciate the having the the low volume low speed curbing already in there. Uh with the connection there to 2000 West that's going through the commercial property. Is that I mean timing wise even though the commercial is going faster are you going to be ahead of that or is that

uh on on lot I believe that seven lot seven and eight I can't see that with my bad eyes now but lot seven and eight will be after um everything on the west lake landing side that's uh to the north of us is going at a pretty good clip like Royce had mentioned but uh they've they've told us on lot on those ones that a border that that road that they're they're going to wait for a little bit. There's not they're going to try to focus their attention on the north. So, I I would assume that we'll be in and done before they those uh those lots are that 285 south and the 2200 west, those will be in place here facing

it's not that we're going to have one and not the other, but we'll get them both in. Yeah. Yeah. And I think, you know, as it shows, we only probably need one, but we've been working with Westlake Landing and thought for connectivity and everything else that it would be better to work together. And well, for fire code, you would need because you would you couldn't dead head more than 150 ft. So you'd need them both just for So you do for 30 lots, right? For the lot size, but you couldn't build and then end. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So the firetruck would have to be able to get out, right? You'd have to have them. You have to have them both. Great. I've got a question for you. Okay. So, on lot 8, 9, and 10 in the residential area,

am I understanding that those are just going to be basically facing the back sides of those commercial developments on lot 7 and 8? Yeah. Well, so it'll be 8,5 and 23. Is that what you're talking about? So, yeah. Lot 8, 9, and 10. Oh, yeah. Yeah. They're looking east at lot seven and eight of West Lake. So, are they just going to be staring at the back side of a center block building? They're going to be staring at uh the back of a commercial situation there with um I guess the the fence, the concrete fence. So, yeah. Not there'll be a fence right around that area as well then. Right. Right. Okay.

Yep. Not not ideal for sure. Like I mean if you were in lot one for example, well I guess even lot 10, you're going to be looking right into whatever that that use is and uh just the way that it all happened with the reszone and everything else with what the city wanted with commercial and what we wanted with residential that's you know that just happened that way. Is so is there fence on that in front of lot 10 right behind the sidewalk? Is that are No, they'll be the fence will be on the on the lot eight. So on the uh west side of lot eight would be the fencing I believe, wouldn't it be? Yep. At at the back of sidewalk or was that

Yeah, we would take that from back of sidewalk over. It would I mean there would be Yeah, there'd be a front yard drop to three feet there. But their their house would be probably facing what? Mostly south I would think here on this one. This one is kind of more east than south. So lot 10 would be the only one that would be facing directly east. Perhaps I maybe misunderstood then. Um south side of the road directly in front of uh lot 10 and then going around lot one. Is that not going to have the buffer?

So right here usewise I mean you can recommend a buffer here I suppose. Uh just the the use is what we look at of what's on the other side. So we have I guess a road. We could we could require the fencing here. The fencing technically would start to apply here again. Okay. Okay. So it would go around lot one but would not necessarily do that, you know, under course. We just have to be careful of sight triangles on that corner. Yeah.

And uh we just don't want a six foot fence in the front yard. That was my concern is as you're going around but not but that lot has frontage on three streets the the lot eight. So I think uh when that comes in for a site plan someday we'll have to figure out which ways the front what is the building what use is it and we'll have to make sure that there's proper buffering. But I I wouldn't think that there would be a fence right at the back of the sidewalk there on the west side of that lot just because of some safety concerns. Yeah. At least the six foot tall solid. So, okay.

These uh follow that up. Are these going to be mixed houses? Are they going to be all ramblers? Are they going to be two stories over the top of the fences? Yeah, they'll be they'll be a mix of whatever. Um, you know, like, uh, we we're all pretty custom. Well, one of the partners isn't as custom, but, you know, we have people come in. If they want a Rambler, if they want a two-story, whatever, then we accommodate that. So, the people that would purchase those lots would have some flexibility in terms of how to best deal with

Yeah. Yeah. If they wanted Yeah. they wanted to do that, then. Yeah. They definitely like, hey, lot 10 is more suited towards, you know, maybe a single level home or something to where they're not they're not looking down on stuff like that. But and and there are some there are some lots in there that, you know, the width or the width of the lot will determine a lot of times what type of house it is. So, uh, if you have a more narrow lot, those those will be conducive to a two-story house with a threecar garage. But but but a uh but a re regular Rambler at the third car garage may not work on that. And so then they would, you know, pick out a lot that had a little wider frontage.

I guess what I'm getting at is lot nine and 10, for example, would they just be stuck, sorry, you get the house that looks at the wall and that's Yeah. It gets right. Well, they they'll the the nice thing about this, I guess, if they're if they're going forward and they're buying that, they're going to know full well that they have a commercial use across the way because it'll be on the plat. Mhm. So, there won't be any surprises there, right? Um All right. Thank you, Mr. Appreciate it. I will If I may,

I thank you very much. Just on that project in between lots 15 and 16. Uh, Commissioner Sheay kind of pointed out a timing issue on the development from the north, they have a fire department turn temporary turnarounds that are on this side. We would ask that a fire department turnaround if the other project is delayed that be put on the other side as well. And I think they can probably do that pretty easy. So, uh, with as part of your, um, approval process, if that's the way that goes, then if you guys will just make that annotation. Appreciate it. I think Yeah, just they didn't want to have a long driveway that

nothing. Yeah, went into nothing. And and since that looks they're using lot 1516 on the commercial. So we'll just I'll make sure that there's always fire access along 22 2200 west smart where they a fire truck can turn around if it's not if it doesn't connect to through. I also like the fact that we're we're looking at an R3 subdivision here. um it's not high density, it's not medium density, it's it's good low density homes in this area. So, very good.

All right. If there are no other comments from the commission, we'll take a motion and a reminder to include the fire turnaround and the buffer un uh being unilateral all the way across six foot concrete.

Who wants to take that on? I I'll go for it, but I messed up last week. Uh, so I move the planning commission approve the request of Ed Green for approval of the preliminary plat for Lakeside Flat located approximately 2815 South 2000 West. Uh the pro proposed subdivision comprises approximately 12.336 acres in the R3 zone with the uh understanding and stipulation that the concrete a 6ft concrete fence will be on the north uh barrier between this plaid and the commercial property uh will have the 8ft uh soundwall on the west side up against the west Davis corridor and that the uh fire access will be maintained uh along 2200 West. Uh so that if the commercial property is uh developed beforehand, they'll maintain the fire access on lot 15 and 16 or that if this uh goes before it that they will provide fire access in the commercial area.

How's that? So word for word any changes needed fire instead of fire turnaround. Yeah. Not fire access fire turnaround. That's a good stipulation. I got close. Second. Thank you, Commissioner Anderson. All in favor? I. Any oppose? Motion passes. Moving on to item number seven, public hearing for revised site plan request by Elliot Smith.

I've overloaded the computer. Give me a minute. Read that. Right. I can read it perfectly.

All right. So, we have an application for a gas station and convenience store. Uh, where the Jags gas station convenience store was originally planned on the corner of 3000 West in Analopee. So, um, we did meet with the ARC on the 17th of November. They recommended an L-shaped pedestrian connection, meaning heading north from the front door and then east out to 3000 West to the public sidewalk. um anticipation there was uh that it's it's very possible that you get kids coming out of Syracuse Arts at the end of the day and grabbing a candy bar or whatever. Um we want to make sure there's as much pedestrian connection as possible where gas stations tend to be a little a little more dangerous especially for kids. Um so that that has been voluntarily complied with by the applicant um as they already have the code required access to the south to the public sidewalk. Um, they've also uh provided updated plans that meet all of our uh staff comments. Let me go down here to the elevations. Well, actually quickly I can show you the L-shaped access. So, they currently have this access going out to this the sidewalk on the south side. uh the sidewalk then will go north as well and connect to this internal sidewalk heading out to the main public uh sidewalk there on 3000. So, um the the store they pulled it as close to the road as they could on the south side. They've got a concrete patio, the bike rack out there. They're going to have some seating areas and then the gas canopy out here. And then this will be just landscaping um per our buffer code. So, uh, just to the west of this is the Take Five oil that we approved a couple months ago. So, the elevations though it looks very similar to what's what's currently out

there. Um, see, here we go. They they comply with all the uh the outlines in the subdivision design pattern book. So, kind of this the boxier style. Uh the coloration being the the mixtures of these kind of grays and and uh brown and black. Um so here's the eastern elevation front of the store. Um they've got sort of a tower feature there on the corner and then a lot of awnings around the building. Southern elevation there. They they dressed up this tower a little bit to make it look more like the front. Um, and then they they just got a lot of brick on there as well. And then here's the gas canopy. So, none of the signage is shown on here, but they will have signage on both canopy and the building. Um, but they've provided the brick pillars and and uh done some little parapets uh on the canopy to break up that facade as well as having some vertical uh sorry, horizontal shifts in these little al coes here. So, um, see, here's just general material color. So, this this will be more color-wise in line with the medical building. Um, which again very well lines up with the design pattern book for the subdivision. So, um, all the staff comments have been approved, meets all the requirements of the code, and they've addressed again voluntarily the require or the request of the ARC. So, uh, we would recommend approval. Thank you, Royce.

Yes. All right. This uh item is open for public hearing. Uh we will open up the public hearing for uh item number seven for the uh revised site plan. Seeing none, we will close public hearing. Back to the commission. Applicant. We have the applicant in the room. Joe Pianza, 1902 South Spring Creek. Um, I'm the applicant. Uh,

do you have any comments? We don't have any comments. We are excited to bring 7-Eleven to Syracuse and thank you for your consideration. Any questions uh for the applicant from the commission? No. Uh I do have one. Um I'm assuming that standard like 7-Eleven signage and everything will be applicable to the building and the the gas station on England. Kind of like he said like what we see generally everywhere else. Uh yeah, more or less. The uh convenience store is 7-Eleven and the gas brand is Philips 66. Okay. So it'll be branded at the right.

Correct. Okay. How tall are the monument signs that you've got? You've got two of them. They're kind of on the corner. Do you know how tall they're going to be up? Are they going to ground mounted and be four or five feet in the air or are they going to be up higher? Uh I don't know that we have looked at that. However, we usually max out the allowable signage. Yeah, they would be permitted to do up to six feet tall. Be like maybe two square foot sign, 8 by 6 by8 or is that 48? Sorry.

But still ground mounted, not not if if it's a monument sign. I mean, they're permitted to do different sign types if they want to. But anything that they propose, they'd have to get a separate building permit for and it'd have to meet our code, but doesn't necessarily require planning commission approval. Okay. And maybe just to note, so on 3000 West because you have just that one access point and you have it's a right out only and you're staring at raised median if that's if I'm not mistaken. Correct. So your access everybody out has to turn right has to turn right or they'll turn left and internally work their way over towards Analopee.

Okay. So they can access Yeah, they would be able to access around in the lock, right? Yeah. They'll head towards the golf course or maybe even north towards the medical building. Yeah. So they're they're down here on this corner. You can kind of see the outlines of these roadways that are internal. So you can turn left here. So they could come down and go in that way or Yeah. I mean, if they're if they're coming up from this direction, I I guess they could also turn left and then or turn Yeah, I guess that's left and then right. There's there's a few different ways I can access it. Okay. Yeah, I haven't been over there to see how far those roads internal roads were. So,

yeah, the road the roads are constructed. Um, and that median does go quite a bit north on 3000. I think it goes past the Mr. Car Wash if I'm correct. We were also the applicant on Mr. Car Wash randomly. Any other questions for the applicant? All right. Thank you. Appreciate it. Thank you. We'll take a motion unless there's additional comment. I'll make a motion. Thank you, Commissioner Baker.

I move that we the commission approves a request by Elliot Smith for revised commercial site plan located at approximately a 1662 South 3000 West. The proposed site comprises 1.24 acres in the GC zone. We have a motion. Do we have a second? Second. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Motion passes. Item number eight. Commissioners, I need to recuse myself from this. I'll be representing the applicant this evening. Thank you.

All right. Item number eight, public hearing for Reszone by Blake Parkson.

Okay. Okay, we've received an application from Blake Parkinson to reszone to SU. If you're not familiar with SU, that is indoor climate controlled storage units. But, uh, what they're proposing, it's not exactly like a commercial storage unit, but he, from my understanding, he he just wants to have a building that he can store, you know, is fortunate enough to have trailers and boats and things of that nature, if I'm understanding it right. So the location is really close to the West Davis corridor and Analopee has frontage on Quelbluff Drive which is functions essentially like a frontage road to Analopee. Um and there's these are the surplus properties from U DOT. You can see that it's there are multiple properties. I think that these three have been consolidated if you look at the current parcel map and then this one has been recently reszoned to professional office. That's the one that we we worked on,

which nothing is we haven't seen any action on that, but we did reszone it. Perfect. Thank you.

The general plan calls for commercial and that's because of its high visibility from these major roads. So, of course, uh commercial businesses, they uh they offer employment opportunities for our residents. They also generate sales tax and commercial buildings generally will will assess higher than other buildings and and also generate revenue through property taxes. So those are kinds of the the three metrics that the city uses and the reason why a lot of the any any uh potential commercial areas the city is usually in favor of because of that revenue stream. uh what they're proposing would not necessarily generate any of those uh revenue streams. Um current zoning you can see is R1. This is just a relic from when U DOT had torn down those homes. And then uh SU it's actually the first time that we've we it's been proposed. Well, we've had another application but then that turned into the mixeduse development if you remember. It's been a few years. So, it the SU zone doesn't exist anywhere on our zoning map. So, I've chosen this color. I hope you like it.

It stands out. This is the Thank you.

This is the uh text of the of the zone. Uh there are a few uh things to pay attention to as far as the requirements. Um, it says here that uh you're required to submit a a uh concept plan uh just like an original thing. And it also says that it needs to be uh no no closer than a a mile to the nearest um other storage facility. So if we look at that and analyze that there is there is another storage facility. I think it's off the map here. Sorry. But um if you go as the crow flies it's within a mile. It's the um here I'll turn on Google Earth the extra space storage right here. So as a crow flies it's like 08 but if you go as one would drive it's actually over a mile. So uh the ordinance isn't exactly clear uh about how we're supposed to measure it. Um usually in in that case I think uh you know there's a little bit of leeway in our interpretation about whether or not it actually uh meets that. Um the other one is that they're required to submit some concept plans. Um they have submitted some and we did receive some more today. Uh that adds a little bit more detail, but this is the general layout. Uh 100x 200 rectangle basically with a I guess like a two driveways and a little I'm assuming there'll be some sort of landscaping in along here. And what we're after is just to get an idea of what we're getting ourselves into. um doesn't have to be a detailed site

plan cuz that would come later. And then, you know, pretty pretty generic storage type garage facility. Um the other option, uh he could build a a home with the existing zoning and build an accessory structure there, but that's not what he's proposing. The other the other thing I'll bring up here too, it also says that the um proposed structure should be two stories tall. I'll pull that up here. Right there. It's a minimum two stories. G I think it's F just barely up above where you're at.

Thank you. Sorry. Minimum of two stories required. So that's another regulation where it's not very well defined. Does a mezzanine interior to that structure? Is that a second story? Uh, their proposed structure I think is about 25 feet tall. Um, so I think there's that there's a little bit up for interpretation. You you might have to rely on kind of the purpose language here. It says um such facilities should be architecturally similar and designed to commercial or office buildings. Uh the goal is to provide needed self- storage use to residents while also increasing property and sales tax revenues for the city above what would be returned with standard storage units. So so the this was like um the idea was that I mean you've probably seen these types of facilities that's on the side of the freeway where it basically looks like an office building. It's not your fortress style singlestory steel shed. So that that was the idea when that when the zone was created. So now our job as planning commissioners is to uh review this and make a recommendation to city council of whether or not this would be an appropriate reason.

Thank you. Noah,

this is also uh open to public hearing. So we'll have a public hearing on that. We'll open that now. Seeing none, we'll close public hearing. Mr. Nelson Uh, thank you. For the record, Kelly Nielson, 1333 South, 2375 West, Syracuse. Um, Blake is um a neighbor and a friend of mine. Um, and he called and asked if I could help with with this. He, as of today, he does not own the property. He's the purchase of the property is contingent on it being able to be reszoned and he be able to use it as a as a storage facility. So that's the answer he really needs. I I So I don't know that at this point because there you've seen what site information has been submitted. He did that on Blue Beam or something. Yeah. So there there isn't there has been no official site review process even started. Um he's just got time to do some due diligence and so that's that's where he's at. Um he does intend to use it as personal storage and an indoor recreation facility for he and his family. Um he's he's not looking at it as a commercial commercial use. She admits that it could be, but right now that's not that's not the intention. Um, so the the twotory component, we are making the building as he's as he's shown as 25 ft uh eve height as it's called. And he's already told me that he wants to add additional windows on the upper on the front. And so it it we can I I'm not going to tell you that it's going to

look like a two-story building, but that's the intent is the mass would be similar to a two-story commercial building. Um I'm not sure what else he wants me to say. And I' I've got some concerns. not necessarily directly related to questions for you on that. So I'll I'll withhold until Thank you. Any other on those forms? No.

I did notice uh you know if you there's a in Clearfield they have a kind of a self storage they did a self storage expansion similar style but then they added a facade to the front. So then instead of having just the angled roof, they could actually flatten it off so it made it look more like a commercial. Yeah. Frontage. And I'm sure he would not be opposed to that. Um so yeah, I mean should this go through that be a uh something? Yeah. The site plan. Yeah. Yeah.

And this is also a reszone request. So, uh, should be noted that any request should be directed as a recommendation to city council. Correct. That's correct. Okay. Um, guy really likes pickle ball or something. I I I'm not necessarily opposed to the idea of something like this. I don't I'm reticent on kind of the zoning that's been picked for this. It It's It's butdding right up against that line. Like I'm not necessarily thinking it's crossing the line, but it's getting about as close as you can without actually going

stretching. Um the commercial uh component, revenue, tax revenue component or things like that. uh within the uh within the code um the the buildings the building size um you know as far as the twotory and those kind of components I I when when we're describing this when when I was looking at this kind of what I was picturing is kind of those indoor some something similar to those indoor units like up in Clearford

uh where they've got like two or three stories. I'm not saying that's what we want here. I'm just saying that that's kind of what's described in this this uh in this zoning is something like that where you walk in, you go to your individual locker and you do it that way and and those kind of things. So from my perspective, I don't necessarily think that it's quite fits within the zone of what of what's been requested, but I'm one person. Well, it remind you you said that to the east, the three lots that have been combined. What's currently going on there? just to kind of see what would request the three in a row. What that what would that look like? Cuz

so my understanding is that uh the lots have been consolidated and uh UD do surplused it and I don't know if there's a new owner that is is for sale. There's not we don't have any applications on it, but we we've been getting plenty of inquiries. Um there's there's a guy that's came in and showed us various things. Anything from town homes to office condos, combination of the two.

I'm going to jump in just with some comments. um with the original master plan to put this as commercial property and generate income with the high um visibility from the freeway as you're coming off onto Analopee and with Analopee I'm more inclined to keep it as a you know commercial income generating piece of property with and so I'm leaning that way.

I I have a few comments as well. We've talked in the past about the kind of marketing opportunity of Syracuse of being this access to Analopee Island and trying to create an identity that way. Uh the uniqueness of having multiple exits on the freeway and I feel like that property right off the the freeway there is pretty valuable and we need to be cautious about reszones and just allow something in there. It's going to be very visible. It's going to be something people see as soon as they get into town. And is that is that what we want for them to come into town and and do? They're they're not going to come in and oh, let's drop stuff at the storage on our way, right? It's going to it's not going to be something that's going to be employing, at least in my mind. We talked about employment. That's it's not really employees to speak of with a a storage unit, especially like that. They probably have remote access or something. So, that was a concern for me. And uh couple other items like the the distance to me that is just really skirting around the the spirit of the law there. In my mind, you have that distance because you don't want to see storage after storage after storage. Well, that's what you see with your eye when you're driving by. So, in my mind, how you get there is irrelevant. If I'm still seeing it within that close proximity, just driving by an analopee, to me, that's that seems like the real intention for that distance rather than exactly how long it takes you to drive around to it,

just because you have to make a slight U-turn. Yeah. So, to me, that's that's kind of a moot point in trying to kind of skate around that restriction. I agree. And it might might be different if you turned a corner and went a little bit, but the fact that you almost pull a U-turned and come right back. It's literally from our main arterial to to me it's more the visibility from the the freeway you're getting off. We're coming down on Analopee. I'm still looking at it. That's still giving me an impression of the city and kind of the vibe of the neighborhood. So to me, that makes an impact on kind of impression the city gives right there. And from the presentation, I think the storage unit is just for his own private use.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Commission, I agree with all those comments. All right. Um, we'll take a motion then remember that this is a recommendation to council. And I assume we can recommend approval or recommend the motion. I can make a motion. All right. Thank you, Commissioner Anderson.

I move that the commission recommend denying the reszoning application for from Lake Parkinson for approximately 1.034 034 acres located at 2679 West, 1700 South. Okay, we have a motion. Do we have a second? Second. Second. All right. All in favor? I. Any opposed to the recommendation of denial? Okay. Motion passes.

All right. Next item. uh discussion in motion for our annual meeting schedule for next week or next week. We're going to fit them all. Why not? Let's do it for next year for the record for the official.

Yeah, there there very well could be some meetings that are cancelled because of lack of agenda items, but we'll take those as as they come. But we were a little bit surprised cuz usually there are a few that are in conflict with holidays, but it's a lucky year this year. Yeah. If any of you guys see any maybe we missed some conflicts, but um yeah, let us know. The only conflicts I can think of um coming up would be potential um kind of ad hoc things like you said either lack of agenda items or um if something were to coincide with some city um organization or something like that. Um, other than that, I was looking over this and I was I echo what Noah said this. I was actually surprised that

every single one is is offset just enough. I was looking at the July the July 4th one like, "No, that's the seventh. Oh, that's good." But no, Labor Day is good. You don't think St. Patrick's Day is a holiday? But honestly, the only one is is Tuesday, November 3rd. Is that general elections? Good question. It is. We We've had meetings on election day, but this isn't a really a big issue for us other than potential for the city. Voterly. Yeah, it's the only thing I saw. Everything else look great.

All right. Uh assume we need to take a motion to adopt that. So, we'll take that motion. So, move. Yeah. move to the schedule. All in favor? I. Any oppose? Had to ask. All right, we will move to take a motion to adjurnn to work session. Move to adjourn. All in favor? I. All right, we are in work section. Uh, work session. City council.

Thank you. I've just got one quick update from our last city council meeting. So, um, we voted on the there's a couple of, uh, a general plan map, zone amendment, and a zoning change for the properties, uh, for the property at 741 West, 3700 South. That was the two little white houses on that corner. So we what we did is we did approve the zone change to low density residential, but we kept the general plan map as commercial to to signal to future buyers that that's still the intent of the city is to keep that that uh commercial, but that allows the current land owner to do what they need to with those homes on that. So that's the only update I had.

Is there any discussion on as far as adopting or annexing anything around there. We have not discussed that. Yeah. So, anything else? Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Colin. We don't have anything from the attorney. Awesome. Thank you. All right. Upcoming agenda items.

Okay. So, we have a couple of uh uh housekeeping items that we're going to be probably addressing. at some point coming up soon just regarding uh connectivity and water in our general plan. Uh it's just state requirements. Uh we also have let's see here. All right. So we have the two site plans uh that I kind of briefly mentioned there in the Westlake Landing subdivision. One for uh a project called Sim City um and another one for a project called Pickleball Kingdom. Uh hopefully see those on the next meeting. Kind of depends on how reviews go. Uh we've also received an application for a commercial development uh just west of Glen Eagle Golf Course. Um sure where we are here. Let's see.

There we go. So, across the the lake here. There we go. All right. So, uh over here just west of the clubhouse. These properties have been applied for as a a commercial subdivision. Um we also have uh let's see an application for just up here called Falcon Landing. Uh we did the reszone for that one a couple months ago. They've applied for the preliminary plat. Um so, still working through reviews on that one. We'll get that to you as soon as we can. Received an application for just across the street. We've I think this is now the third application at least since I've been here on this property. Uh so this is us. Um and this is for something called Rocky Mountain Wellness. So

what?

Uh Rocky Mountain Wellness be a twostory uh commercial building. And then let's see, we also have uh a revised site plan for the take five oil. I think I may have mentioned that last time. They just want to expand the building slightly. So um it's basically the same building. It's just a little wider. And then um we also received an application for a subdivision plat here. The museum folks are going to buy this piece back here. And so they just need to split this property in half, which requires a subdivision plat. And then uh see, I believe everything else is just city council level stuff and uh preliminary. So um that's what we have coming up right now.

Thank you. Um I had a quick question. There's been um at least on people that have have been speaking to me speculating quite a bit about the corner at Analope in 2000. The forever speculation. Yep. Our our our local pumpkins seller and everything has I'm assuming we've not heard anything going in about that. Yeah, we have not. It has now been owned by at least since I've been here I think four or five different companies. I think KFC owned it for the longest time, but uh but it could be. You never know. They'll they'll promise to close both of these and then just build another one. So, uh

hey, if we if we do get We're getting that in writing next time. Yeah. Noans fast food company. Uh looks like currently GSB Health and Wellness. song. So, yeah, I was going to say at one point it was the same company that owned KFC and then Taco Bell. Now, it's still the same. If you look at the address for this wellness company, it's the same one as the Harmon management group, which is in California. The same, but yeah, we don't have any applications or plans. GSP Wellness also owns seed. That's ironic. Yeah, I don't know how they're all connected. It's private equity. Now it's time to invest apparently.

Okay. Harmon's neighborhood with parking structure. Right. All right. Very cool. Uh commissioner reports. All right. Then we'll take a motion to adjurnn. I move we adjourn. All in favor? I. All right. We're adjourned. Thank you everyone. Everyone have a merry Christmas.

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