Board of Trustees - Regular Meeting

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likes a hard time. like to call to order the town of Frasier's board of trustees meeting Wednesday, November 19th, 2025 at 6:01 p.m. Can I have a roll call, please? Katie Fischer, Adam Quickland, Julie White, Katie Souls is online. Yep. Katie Souls and Brian Cirven. Could I have an approval of the agenda, please? So moved. Second. Any further discussion? All in favor? I.

Any opposed? Okay. Um, could I have a motion to approve the consent agenda which includes the minutes for October 29th, 2025, the minutes for November 5th, 2025, and resolution 2025 11106 adopting the 2026 joint facilities fund budget. So moved. Second. Is there further discussion about this? All in favor? I.

Any opposed? Okay. So, now we'll move on to open forum. This is for business not on the agenda. If you're here in the audience, you can approach the podium and have 3 minutes of time. Uh if you're online, please raise your hand if you'd like to speak. Okay. Seeing none, we will continue to discussion and possible action uh regarding the board of county commissioners update. Uh we have two of our county commissioners, esteemed county commissioners sitting at the table here. Um why don't you guys introduce yourself and and uh take you?

Uh sure. Hi. Uh Ed Rner. I'm the commissioner for District 1. And essentially if you go from the top of Birth and Pass to the top of Red Dirt Hill, that's pretty much uh District One. And glad to be here. Thanks for having us.

And I'm Randy George. Um I'm from District 3, which runs basically from Highway 34 to Rabbiders Pass. And the districts are divided by population. And so that's why his district is quite a bit smaller than mine because the population density is quite a bit different. And you had some questions for us. I don't know if you want to pose those questions or or how you want to approach this. Um uh do you have the the order there Ed or in your guys? Yep, we do have some notes that uh came off of an email from you. One

I can uh I can pull what I sent to Well, the first issue that we had was EMS site location. Yeah. So,

so sure I could tell, you know, we've been working with uh the police because they're looking to identify a new facility and uh to sort of make this process streamlined. Uh Town Winter Park had kind of taken the lead on uh identifying locations and negotiating with various uh stakeholders. So, we've been working with them. Uh a few spots have been identified and kind of kicked away. So, we've been going through all those. Um, you know, one of our big things is we're looking for, uh, we need to be east of the railroad tracks and would preferably be on the north side of downtown Frasier. Um, you know, we will still, we're double checking on this, but we believe we're always going to have an EMS crew at the Lakota station. So, that's why we're looking to be north of Frasier there. Um, and you know the worst case scenario and I want to emphasize that the worst case scenario is you know we could rebuild in the current location which I know you know you guys have thoughts about that spot. So and we have thoughts about that spot too. It's not ideal for a number of reasons. So yeah, help us with the search. We're still looking

and uh whatever we can come up with, whatever suggestions you can have along the way that we could explore would be well worth it. You guys are still looking at the joint facility approach. You know, I think that just depends if it's convenient to to work together and and uh we can reduce the burden of property and and uh building costs. That would be ideal. One of the problems with the one station location that was looked at was there were some uh concerns and restrictions about lights and sirens

and all that. And I think that is always a problem when you try to build in a town. So maybe we have to be a little bit out of town. Location, location, location. Indeed.

So any other questions about that? That's we're there. We want to do something. We're, as you know, um, EMS station one is in Grandby and it's there's a new building being constructed there near the hospital and that's going to be a fantastic facility for decades to come and it will have public meeting room facility and and training opportunity facilities and and all that sort of thing in there which will be great. Uh it it looks quite large and one of the reasons for that is as we all know living up here particularly in the winter trying to keep those um hundreds of thousand dollar ambulances out of the weather and ready to roll at a moment's notice uh is going to be very very helpful for that. So that's um that's a big part of what's going on there. Plus of course obviously they have to have crew sleeping there. Um, so that's that's coming along and we're very excited about that.

How many bays are there for ambulances? Don't remember right off the top of my head, but it's enough for all that they anticipate having there and command vehicles as well. It's a it'sizable. Yeah. Then there's also room for because they do maintenance in house. So there's also, you know, maintenance bay, lift and all those lift and all that kind of things. So Oh, okay. It's right by the water treatment plant right there. Right. It's right across from the hospital. Just right. They have a They have a small I think water treatment plant out that way, right? Yeah. But it's Yeah, I would say the hospital is probably the best marker. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

You think that the size of that facility will um allow this one to be smaller or will things be centralized out there a little bit? Like you said, training facilities, right? For training and that sort of thing. But but that's done in Graanby now anyhow in a much more modest um even dilapidated facility. So I I don't think it would make any difference in terms of the size of what we're talking about here. Okay. You were basically talking about being able to have one crew stationed here just like

one crew at Lakota and one crew over in in Kremling. Okay. Still rotating like they always have done the crews. How do you mean rotating? You mean rotating between the various right stations? Don't the crews rotate like they'll stay in coming for a little bit, then they go to Graby, then they come to Frasier? You know, I don't know that. Do you? I'm not sure. I thought I thought they would be dedicated. Sure. I think they I just know that because they come to the restaurant that they're different. I believe that is correct that you Okay. They're not always in your Oh, yeah. So, that gives our chance to use the nice one.

Yeah. They're not always in the same place. Yes. Yeah. Okay.

The one in Granby. I'm going to give you a a pretty close approximation. I want to say it's 32 million. Wow. Is right. Yeah. So, we uh the county borrowed money for that with a certificate of participation financing method. Our anticipation, our hope is that the other buildings that we're we're planning to build will not will not require that because we have some money saved. But we've gotten a number of of uh grants to help fund that. So, that's good, too.

Cool. So then the next thing that you were talking about was uh what's the status of the Frasier Parkway Extension County Road 522 and that's only been discussed for I don't know decades now maybe it is

uh we continue to move forward on that. there was a considerable hangup over core of engineer and and u wetland mitigation issues. Right. We believe we have that resolved with the uh there's a there's a wetland plan now where we're able to buy credits to um to use the development of wetlands going on elsewhere to apply to the wetlands that would be sacrificed for this particular uh road. And so with that that requires that the core of engineers approve it. and the core of engineers looked at it and said, "Well, you know, it's gone on for a while here and we've extended it once. Before we extend it again, we need to make sure that some other things are uh taken care of." One of those has to do with renewal of theou with the state historical preservation office and another has to do with a um CDPHE Colorado department of uh public health and environment and a uh water quality certificate. Couple of those things need to be renewed and once they are then we have been told by the core of engineers that they will uh grant the the permit and then we'll be at a position where we can can move ahead with that. One of the next things that we're talking about there though is that we're beginning to um reenter negotiations with the property owners for the right away through that that property. So that's that's where that is. But I think another piece of that is that we don't know exactly what the town

of Frraasier's plans are in terms of potential uh expansion annexation. And if you're going to be annexing anything out there, we would certainly expect that the town will require that uh the county road 522 right away through the Jones Trust property and the annexation negotiations. would require that that and any development plan would require that that right away is is dedicated. Um, so we we would be eager to know what your plans are if you have any uh that are are able to be discussed at this point. and the county engineer will create a construction bid packet and uh you know if you're interested in seeing any of the engineering or any of the survey data related to that road uh once we get a an approval from the core of engineers we'll be happy to share that with you. It's not nothing that we're trying to keep secret or anything.

Sure. for 13 years. Does he need to go to the microphone? I don't know. Yeah.

Clark Lipkcom. Um, for the record, uh, I believe they obtained the county obtained that that wetland permit 13 years ago, maybe 14 years ago. Okay. And why is there no motivation to get this done? I mean, like letting the wetland mitigation wag that's like the tail wagging the dog. I mean, the fact of the matter is there's not that much mitigation to be done. Uh, it's pretty dimminimous, and I've heard this excuse from your county manager, etc., but I just don't believe it. I've I personally have built a lot of wetland mitigation, okay? And it's not that expensive. It's going to be far less expensive than, you know, your EMS station or the cost of the road even. So, I mean, I just kind of feel like the county really doesn't want to or is not motivated to actually get this done. And frankly, the part I really care about is from 721 currently to County Road 5, the ball fields, which I think is a huge benefit for kids, access to the fields, so on so forth for our community. I could care less about the piece going to Tabernac. Um, and I'm not sure that's really beneficial anyway. But, but can you answer that question because I I I really either somebody doesn't know what they're doing or they're just making excuses for not getting it done because it doesn't take that long to build stuff like this. So I I have a couple of comments to that. First of all, the phase that is proposed initially to to work on is that southern part that you've talked about. So we concur that that's the most important part, right? Um, and I don't I don't know that I can give you a quick answer that says, "Yeah, this is something that should have been done, could have been done, whatever." Uh, I just know that we've gone back and forth

with the wetlands consultants and the core of engineers, and it just seemed like it was very difficult to find the appropriate place for the mitigation that they would accept. And we are very thankful that this um opportunity to buy the credits has come along because that's going to it's it's going to save a significant amount of money to buy those credits as opposed to create the wetlands and be responsible for those in perpetuity. Commissioner George, um do you guys have is it with the was it with the Forest Service for those credits? Um, it's actually before service foundation, I think, is the one that's doing it.

You guys, do you guys have the p purchase agreement with them for those credits? We do have an agreement with them at this point. And obviously, that won't be executed until the core agrees that that these other things are in line, but the core has said, "Yeah, we are very happy that those credits are the way you're going to go." Is that mitigation bank located in Grand County? It is. Okay. I think it's up uh highway 125. Yep. And then I believe there's some by the uh Graanby rodeo grounds. I think it's two pieces, right? No, the Graanby rodeo grounds piece was one of the areas that was uh suggested. That's right. Yeah. So, they just did the by

and initially we were going to do the mitigation at the uh um water treatment plant there, Tavern. and then they have said that they needed that for expansion and so then the search was on for another place but anyhow I think all that's taken care of and to Clark's point my hope is that this will be happening um construction I'm guessing could start in 26 but it might be 27 so what do we what does Frasier need to do to help speed up the process we need it I mean do we have to do

so we've included the conversation about like any type of right-of-way dedication for this. We're still doing some preliminary work for water rights. Um doing some cons doing some consultation to get deeper into what what the water right conversion could be for the existing irrigation right that could be transposed to commercial residential use and then further even more to groundwater. Um if we were able to to use the water rights um specifically on the east side of Highway 40 and north of County Road 8. that's where the water is because we can't do any annexation without water and then that's always been the missing link. So, we have that study that hopefully we should be getting the information back from that early next year. Um, but once we have that in hand, um, it just is going to make for a lot more constructive conversations um, uh, for annexation. But we've I've spoken with the broker multiple times about those right ofways and just um you know it's not part of the property that they own but just an understanding that that's something that we would need. Um but if that is that is annexed in then we would absolutely advocate for that right ofway. Um you guys have talked about just negotiating for those right-of-way acquisitions. Do you guys have any type of a deadline for if you're not able to find a friendly condemnation route? Um

we're we're hoping it doesn't have to be a condemnation route that it can be a purchase. Sure. So that's and and we did have agreement. Yeah. But we waited on that because we didn't have the wetlands piece put together yet. So now the wetlands piece is coming together. It's time to go back and sort out the

purchase of that right away. So, just so I understand the county's goal, um you're you're moving forward with that um purchase of the right away kind of regardless of what the town does, I'm assuming. And then if we do annex it in, are you wanting the town to take acceptance of the road? Um I guess I'm not clear on on on the rightway piece. Yeah. Well, it would be good for the town to own the road. Yeah. that point.

But I think what Commissioner George is is saying is just because they're trying to get the the right of ways for the road. Um that if we do look at any annexation before they get the right of way, which I don't know if it's going to happen time frame that you mentioned, it seems a lot faster than any annexation would happen. Yeah. And I think you guys likely have more chances of getting that road piece. But as Clark pointed out, it has been quite a while. Yeah.

And so it is anticipated though. Uh, I mean I I believe that we anticipate Eisenhower going straight through and teeing into that and making greater regional travel routes. And obviously there are some people in the area that are anxious about what it is going to mean for traffic in their area. and the county will also have to deal with um some of those issues at if if we get extended up farther to the north all the way up toward Davinash. Um there is some work that's in progress right now at that at that intersection by the ball fields because that whole intersection needs to be um aligned differently so that it's a it's a straight across

instead of the offset that's there now. So that's uh another piece that's being worked on at the moment. Streets. Does that help? Sure. Yeah. Can you talk about the impacts to um like the boreal toads in that area? Wasn't that found in one of the environmental studies that was done for the Frasier Parkway or I am not remembering anything about boreal toads in that

I believe I and this is a little bit of a stretch because this was before I was a commissioner but I do remember that report came out that there was the boreal toads were out there and there is a workaround and I think that I mean like I said that was several that was like 10 that was nine years ago I believe when that was it was quite a while ago and I and I know there is a workaround that everybody found satisfactory but I like I said that was before I was a commissioner but obviously we're not going to go forward if an endangered species

endangered species is is in the path and of course part of that whole development has to do with the bike path along it as well

which is great. Yeah, definitely. Okay. And then I think probably the the next two items are in somehow related. One of them has to do with public transit and you had sent some information to us basically outlining the fact that um you have a lift transit services fund

and that uh that is not projected to be adequate to cover the costs of your share of the transit coming up in 26. 26 or 27.

Uh so we do have some unassigned balance that we'll be using for um for next year if that is approved by the board. Um uh but currently the way that we are budgeting for next year is that the new revenues coming in from our dedicated 1% sales tax uh will not be able to cover the cost of those transit services. Um so we'll be relying on unassigned fund balance which is only going to last for one to two years. Um but uh that's just been a concern from the board and just discussion about with the the increase for the the lodging tax um any any discussion with the board of county commissioners as far as paying contributing towards the the public transit services here um in the county.

And I would like to make a clarification. Frasier is actually being requested to uh provide a greater uh portion of the budget than our writership share. So our writership share is about 18%. We currently pay about 22% of the budget and in the current request takes that up to about 26% of their overall budget. So Frasier is covering more than our wrership share at this time. public transit is um a somewhat thorny issue in in terms of trying to figure out some things. First of all, I I guess I would say um is everybody committed to the fact that this should be a free service for the riders, you know, or does it need to be something for which there's a fee that the writers have to pay? Another piece of that whole situation is obviously that public transportation like this is very helpful because it keeps individual autos off the road, but it also allows a lot of people um to come from outside of the town into Frasier for restaurants or or shopping or whatever, right? And same thing for Winter Park and and so that traffic benefits the whole area, right? U there there was a grant request for some of those funds to help support the lift out of the U increase in the the tourism tax from this past year. And I don't remember what that dollar amount was right off. But that uh that is a potential source

that's available, but it's on a grant basis. And and I kind of mentioned that in connection with the second one because you asked about child care dollars, right, coming out of 1A and the there's got to be some decisions made that way and there is an advisory board that's trying to parse out those um grants so that we don't end up with everything going to child care or everything going to transportation or everything going to um affordable housing or what whatever it might be, but there's only so much money there, too. And I think the projection is it might be as much as a million dollars a year. Um and we've been through the first round of grants on that and some of that did go to the lift. Mhm.

Um, another piece of that is the county did provide the the land on which the lift facility is is built and it's a $10 a year lease for 50 years to to the transportation. Um, and so that's a significant contribution in terms of that that land as well. Did do you have some more comments about say I mean the one thing I I mean and I think it's we're I don't want to quibble but I think it's a dollar actually I believe. No put $10. It's $10. I thought I thought it was one. Anyway,

we'll see. We can maybe knock $9 off of that. So um no, but I think that it's that is that is a substantial that's the you know that was always the original concept was that was what we brought to the table was we brought the land to the table and the towns would bring it in. And I think that part of it too is, you know, I know that there's a, you know, Winter Park Ranch is unincorporated grant, but, you know, there's no retail. You know, that was kind of the whole idea was that transportation was supposed to be funded by sales tax. Well, there's no retail up in that area. But those folks staying in, you know, uh, Meadow Ridge and Winter Park Ranch, they're taking the bus to Safeway and hopefully, you know, to hopefully to Fisers, you know, or or where have you. So, you know, that's kind of where that's at. But, you know, we can certainly look at that community priorities fund and hopefully to help for you guys with that. But, um, the concern I always have with that is that's, you know, then you're going year by year on grant programs and that's

then you're, you know, you're kind of rolling the dice every year. So, and and that brings up the larger question that's been discussed in terms of a regional transportation authority and trying to deal with the funding for all of this through that. Do you have there been serious discussion? I mean, you sit on the It's been talked about in broad strokes. There's no there's not been anything definitive or or hard part on those on that conversation.

So, I know that the town of Winter Park is working on that regional transportation authority for um to support the aerial transit system. Um, and I know once they have that established, um, we do have a scheduled conversation uh, with the town of Winter Park about a larger RTA or even just within the valley type of RTA. Um, and uh, so we're going to be having we're having conversations about it, but nothing definitive yet. I know that the critical path is for the uh the one that's in Winter Park right now, the support the gondola and talking with Charles about that is you know if we can get an RTA that opens up a lot of funding avenues as well which would solve a lot of problems for all of us. So

right and that as you talk about that I think the larger that RTA is the better right so including Graanby B and maybe even Grand Lake in that probably not hot sulfur and gremling and all that because there wouldn't I don't think there's going to be that much writership over there might be but

Right. Right. Yeah. I think obviously, you know, good to note that uh you guys donated the land. We needed that facility for sure. Um but currently you're contributing about 50k a year to the to the whole transit system. And I think, you know, we need to look at this as an economic driver for the entire county. Um which is, you know, why the county should uh kind of come to the table a little more I think. um connecting Grand Lake to Grandby to Frasier to Winter Park would be um would be huge. Um like you said, getting cars off the road, but also just getting people around the county to spend money in different places and you know uh it's a huge amenity. And on top of that, it's uh it's it's a bit of competition. You know, you go over to Vale, the bus service is free. You know, tourists will look at that. tourists will say, "Well, we don't need a car because they have a free bus." If we start charging here, then they might not look here, even if it's a buck. You know, it's it's more the pain of having to pay instead of just stepping on the bus.

Right. True. I mean, I think and you know, we tried to come up with I there was a valuation that was put on that and um on the property on the property, you know, and it was and we were trying to put a hard number on it and we were not able to find it. But, you know, it's in the neighborhood. I mean, if we just lease that land, it would be, you know, in the neighborhood between like four and $600,000 a year. So, that it's not it's a significant contribution. Yeah. Um, so, but it is noted, you know, that's um something we can discuss for sure. And we we use that approach as well with one of our nonprofits. We've dedicated land. Yeah. And

discussed it yesterday actually. So, um, in lie of annual appropriations. Mhm. But I I come back to the need for the regional transportation. Yeah. Authority, right? And I don't know if you have a sense at all. I mean, obviously, nobody likes to see a tax increase, right? But do you have a sense at all about the popularity of that among the voters? You're shaking your head. It's going to go. We're we're pretty maxed out on sales size.

How are um regional transit authorities typically funded? Is it a sales tax? I think typically it is well they would loop your the sale they would take the current funding that's in there and then like I said it it opens you up for a lot more uh funding opportunities with grants and such. So that that's where you know a regional transit authority would would be very beneficial. believe they can be funded by a mil levy as well. There's options.

Hi, Michael has a letter from Grand Park on this very subject. I'm very familiar with it. Um, we've proposed uh to help the town with its issues that we would propose a regional transit authority uh and put one in place over Graham Park. Um, it's funded through property tax mill levy override is the most typical fashion. Um, we proposed that when they did the sales tax deal originally and the mayor at the time was convinced that they couldn't pass the property tax increase. Um, so they went the sales tax route which we knew would tap out and effectively taxes all the people that shop here uh and not you know really the properties and particularly a lot of the people that are using this system being second home owners etc. uh vacation roles etc. So I I mean I think there is an avenue to create it. We've laid it out. I believe uh one of my project managers just asked to put it on the agenda for discussion with the town board. Um which would if we did that it would take it off the plate of the current transit system needing to expand on what is a very large part of Frraasier. it had some other components in it that I'm not going to belabor here, but um I I do think it's feasible with uh the stage of the system today that you could pass uh an RTA uh but you would need to give up the sales tax uh probably quit proquo to be able to achieve that and I I think that would be fine depending on what the mill levy was, right? But you'll just have a whole lot more people paying in. So anyway, to answer your question, since I have just done a whole lot of homework on this particular subject,

I see some challenges to that. The uh sales tax is not specific to just the transit system. It's a broader cause than that. I also the concerns uh I have with the increase in funding for Frraasier's the request from FRA for Frraasier to increase its funding is that it were going into reserves and that's a one or twoyear fix and then we would be dropping way back based on our sales tax revenue once those reserves are used up. So it it really truly is a temporary fix if we uh proceed down the road that we're on. And you're talking about the trail component that it was passed on. Obviously capital trails includes trails. There's other components to it that aren't getting funded at all

and and I think very little has been contributed towards trails. Yeah. Thanks. And and not that that's right or wrong, but uh it's a limited fund and it it's not exclusive to just the transit system. So um there would be some challenges there I think as well. Sounds like it's time to start your PR campaign. I mean, really, for all of us. Yeah. That we're the the time is coming. Yeah.

Okay. So, uh childc care dollars is one of the things that was mentioned as well. And again, that money is coming from um the increase in the tourism tax and it was just a two10 two hundreds of a percent. We went no two ten of a percent. So it was a a 10% increase in the tourism tax which was not a lot, right? But it allowed then for other uses which was the importance of that vote. Um and we just saw the figures the other day. The tourism tax is running almost exactly the same so far this year as it did last year. it's actually 10% up which is the exact increase in the fee that is being charged. So what that's saying is that the base dollar amount that on which the tax is levied has stayed constant which is great because there was some projection that it might that the whole economy might dip some right. Um so that this year we decided that a certain amount of that money would go into this uh community priorities fund and again grants are available on the community's priority fund. Uh a and as you know you I know you've been involved in the discussions about child care and the recommendations for the overall child care plan. Um it's going to be important for that for people to come to consensus on what that is because I think there's some components in there that um maybe there are some components that were overlooked

as as a potential for example there does not seem to be an appetite in the in that plan for um charging market rate and then providing subsidy to the people who economically are incapable of of affording it. I'm not quite sure why that didn't seem to be very popular, but so some of those discussions need to be wrangled out yet, but I anticipate and we're not going to make any guarantees, but I would anticipate that something similar to what was available this first goround will be available the second goound and then on into the future u to help support child care. and and the question in particular I think had to do with facility subsidies but again what's the best approach

to to that and and I know some of that u discussion that had gone on earlier had a very big component that was to be developing an endowment fund that was going to generate a lot of money to be able to support this And so all those pieces I think were a little bit premature in terms of how those are going to work out. But there continues to be some money um I believe that will be available through that increase in the tourism tax and the change in the in the uh uses there that'll be able to go into childcare. I would also say, you know, in this first cycle and for the next cycle, the plan is to take some of the funds and just put it to the side so we can actually build a fund balance in there so that um not the next cycle, but the cycle after that there'll actually be more funds going out in there. So, you know, and we you know, we created the community priorities fund and it's a pretty robust way to do things. It's sort of in the the grand foundation model is that you know, we the grants go to that committee. There's one from each of our districts. Um, a few other people sit on it. I do as well. Um, and they sort of vet all the grants and then the grants come to us as commissioners. We approve them. So, it's a it's been a system we found that works. So,

how are we doing on time on your agenda? Are we still okay?

U this is the last item that we had on the agenda for them. But, uh, just for a point of clarification, the the 2% loging tax is is 50% of that going towards the community fund. Is that how you guys have allocated that? 50% of that is dedicated toward the tourism traditional tourism expenditures, right? Um and then of the remaining 50% at least 30% goes to the community priorities fund. The other 20% annually will be allocated one way or the other as there appears to be the need. And at least at this point it appears for the next year or two or so that 50% then the the 20 will be added to the 30 for the community's priority fund because there's still um some reserve that the tourism board is spending down. They had a pretty big fund balance and and right after COVID they saw a big in or during COVID and right afterwards they saw a big bump in in their uh tourism tax revenues and they weren't spending nearly as fast as it was coming in which was good because we didn't think that we needed to do that but it's appropriate for them to have some reserve in case we have one of those times when we really do because marketing I Uh tourism is what 70% of our economy. So if we have a significant downturn for them to have a reserve to be able to ramp up some things to try to draw more people here, that could be very important for the entire entire community. So anyhow, I think it'll be 50/50 for a while. That was the long answer to your short question. The uh you had one other thing and I wasn't even sure what you meant.

It was federal state impacts to federal lands for operating and financials. Yeah, we What did that mean? Yeah, we talked a little bit about the meeting before. Um but just if you guys are aware of any of the impacts to the federally operated lands, um impacts to federal funds for the forest service BLM. Um, that was just a question that was posed by our board, but I can I can uh I can maybe track down a a maybe a better resource or someone who's more involved in that for to get that answer for our board. In other words, the the question has to do with w will the will the federal government, for example, continue to fund the necessary operations to um manage the the US Forest Service or the BLM?

Correct. They won't. Right. It's just to what degree I think is the question which I can I can I can get an answer that we have a we we sit um about once every other month that we sit with you know the guys from CPW US forest service national forest service um grand places 2050 grand places 2050 as well I'm talking about the resource breakfast um and it's at every single one of those meetings it's kind of we get this a lot you know so it's they don't even know

they don't even know and so it's definitely a moving target. I think trying to figure out I think the expectation that we we'll be getting less is certainly there. Um you know and then it's just coming up with solutions to how we deal with it. And then you know we sit on grant places 2050 and that's you know as well dealing with the stewardship of lands and and how do we fill in those gaps. So um and I sit on that we meet tomorrow. So that's um always a good one. Uh on that topic I mean we're still working on our 1041 plans. So that's uh a work in progress right now, but you trying to figure out what do we do. Um can you define what the 1041 plans are?

So a 1041 plan is essentially you know you know how it's it's permitting for things like oil wells, solar panels, all those kind of things. And you know the concern being you know we all I mean there's literally solar farms out there you know and I don't think anybody wants to uh

you know be driving down Highway 40 and seeing a whole you know thousand acre solar farms. So, so as you know, solar farms, uh, windmills, you know, all those kind of things is how how energy resources come in. So, we're working on a plan to, um, protect the county as best as we can. So, there's that's a work in progress right now. And then the last is, you know, if you guys are familiar with the PIL, you know, the payment and L fees. So, um, you know, and that's always just a year-by-year basis. um you know we've been for years uh trying to get that codified where it's a a solid every year basic you know basically because we have so much public land it is we don't collect taxes on that so the federal government subsidizes things like our schools and our roads so we are looking like the pill funds came through this year and then we're just going to start fighting again for next year's

you know when you you mentioned the shrug response from the administrators we get that from the regional level as well and We periodically have opportunities to talk with the goose and Bennett and Hickinlooper and they can't give a straight answer either because they're just one part of the larger federal government and they're they're not able to give us a firm answer on how that funding is going to go.

Okay. It does seem like our our grassroots nonprofit or NGO organizations are really picking up the slack though. I mean, between hta and wildfire council and and other entities, they're they're really uh starting to fulfill a lot of those uh roles that the federals used to play or or that are in jeopardy. So, uh kudo, it's just our county entities that are doing more with less, I think. Absolutely. They've done a lot that's really valuable. It's unfortunate that they've had to.

But on the other hand, I know that many people are passionate about that and so that's a great thing that they're willing to spend the time and effort to do that. And obviously some of the um open lands, rivers, and trails tax money

goes into that um to help make that make that happen. And there are some crazy stories like uh Summit County paid the Forest Service to do wildfire mitigation. Then then there was all this drawback at the federal level this past year, right? And they cut off all this funding, at least put it in in a pause on it. And Summit County could not get their funding back, right, because it was frozen. and and they couldn't the the agency couldn't hire the people to do the funding could to do the work that the funding was supposed to be for. So you got to be careful

in terms of how much slack you pick up but guys there is going to be a tendency what was it you said it's like feeding the bear. It's like feeding a bear, you know, it's, you know, the more we do, the less they're going to want to do. And, you know, it's, you see some of these agencies are, you know, almost hesitating because they know if they wait, someone will pick up the slack. So, it's it's um it's an interesting time trying to figure out how to how to balance all that. So, you're saying now is the perfect time to build a mountain bike trail from the top of Ruth down. As long as we can make that a part of the fourlane that comes down from the top of Berlin. Right.

Right. Right. I have another question. Um, what are we going to do about red dirt and how are we going to keep people safe on our roads? I think that's a burning question lately. You guys have any plans?

So, I mean, as you guys know, you know, 40 is is a state road. So, you know, we uh you you know, with Brian, with Nick, with all the municipalities, um lobby as hard as we can, you know, uh we went yesterday, too. They had the operations meeting for what's going to happen on Berth Pass. And even though it was not something that was supposed to be discussed there, it was something that I brought up. Um as you traveled over Red Dirt, right now, you see where they finished the construction, the road was not crowned correctly. So, basically, it wasn't angled right. So there's you can just see there's a flat spot where there's just standing water which is ice as we all know. So um we've brought that to the attention of C dot. You know all we all we can really do is lobby and and yell as loud as we can. And I know I can't remember it was last year or the year before but there was a coordinated effort where everybody called DOT in the same hour period. And I think that's something we might consider doing again because it actually brought attention to things. And um you know as you guys I don't know if you know there's another fatality today. Um, and unfortunately, uh, fatalities do draw attention. Um, you know, it's it's a horrible way to get attention to these things, but that's I think, you know, we're now on fatality number 11, uh, for that stretch of road this year. So,

um, you know, but there's not it's not our road. You know, we even if we wanted to work on it, even if we had the money and the and the facility and the staff to work on it, we legally cannot work on 40. So, you know, all we can really do is lobby at C dot as hard as we can. And I'll tell you, you know, Brian does a really good job, you know, lobbying with C dot and working with our TPR trying to get funding allocated over here.

So, it's not a satisfying answer, but basically, every time we get together with CDOT, we pound on the table and we say, "The road is in terrible shape and it's not safe. Let's do something about it." and they say, "Right, we'll start thinking about that and then we'll start planning about that and then we'll make a a plan and have it on the shelf and then we'll try to come up with funding for it." It's tragic. Yep. Is there anything that residents can do? Can they can they lobby them for themselves? Can they advocate for themselves in any way? Is there anyone they should call? I know people are pretty passionate about it.

Yes. And I would suggest that you call our um areas commissioner on the on the uh state transportation commission and his name is Rick Ritter. Rick Ritter. What's his number? I've got it. He's got the number and and the email. Nice job. Um, Rick Ritter would be the guy to to bombard with uh your requests,

but I would say I've been having a lot of conversations with people in the last month or so. And I think the idea of doing I'm trying to remember who it was, but you know, someone went out actually and hung flyers all I don't remember this was like here's the number press for say you're from Grand County. Dennis, was that? Yeah. You remember that? So I mean I think that we need to coordinate another one of those. Yeah. No, I know. It's up to the chair.

I I hope everyone knows at the table's daughter ran Polish campaign. I knew that. I mean, he's Yep. He has political ties to Polish for sure.

Yeah. Um, I wasn't aware of the This is Todd Hollesworth, the East Crab Fire Chief, and I was up there today at mostly afternoon. Um, I wasn't aware of the flat spot with the drainage, but two other issues they didn't take care of with red dirt, which I thought they were. Um, one of them was post construction, and that's the lack of attenuation devices on the end of the the uh the poured concrete New Jersey barriers. There's just piles of dirt on the end of them. That's not going to last. And they didn't take care of County Road 54 access. Yep. It's still a mess westbound. So, three things on red dirt. Other than that,

so we we have done our part to make sure that C dot is aware of of all those problems. But, um, you know, it's uh people talk about the speed of government and then I would say that then you could talk about the speed of C dot which is um the slowest thing I've ever seen. So, next year we do have the rebuild from basically that location all the way to almost Frasier.

Yeah. But it just and at the attenuation on the end of those New Jersey barriers, we had a similar problem from the rebuild from beavers to the main entrance of the steeria and uh I complained about way it was done and I got to do a I told you so to the folks when we had a fatality from hitting the uh end of that barrier. So it was almost I don't want to have that happen again. Dirt was better before. I don't know if I'd say that, but there should they're better shoulders. It's it's improved, but it's it they didn't take care of the problems that they could have. I would posit that some things are better and some things are worse.

So, let we're going to let him do that from Grammy to Frasier. Just take our chances that it's going to be better. I would say I mean, like I said, there's it's not our it's not up to us. I I mean if if it was up to us, we would do a lot more. Like all we can do is go to these meetings and lobby and ask and you know look over their shoulders and put our opinions in on on how things are done. But at the end of the day, C dot does what C dot cares to do. And that's but loud voices do tend to sway C dot. So yeah. So what's Rick Ritter's number?

Uh I couldn't find it, but I found his email address. Uh it's but I think it's not his official one. So, let me find his official one and I can I can tell you guys by the end of the meeting. Okay. Well, hey, thank you for the opportunity to be here. Thank you for coming. Appreciate it. And we'd welcome an invitation back anytime. All right. I think this is really good, really healthy thing to do. So, thanks guys. Thank you, Commissioner. Appreciate it. Thank you, guys. Okay. Next up, treasures report. Lori is online.

Yeah. Good evening, mayor and trustees. Lori Waters, finance director for the town of Frasier. I hope you can hear me. Okay. Okay. Treasurers report. Um, we're going over all the good stuff. Statement of funds, sales tax revenue, short-term tax revenue, remote sellers, and budget expenditures analysis. plus the uh levels of the funds. So the 20 here we are with the reserve position October we're starting to see uh you know St. Louis landing is going vertical. So that's starting to show up in our funds. Um, good news to report is we did just submit uh for strong communities, more housing now, early childhood and public works uh development or excuse me, planning. Um, we submitted grant re uh requests for a total of $816,038 and that should help offset some of those expenditures. Um, we've got public works uh busy. I think I wrote in my report that they were ready for ready and waiting for snow. Well, it snowed and they went out and did a great job getting everything cleaned up. Um, and yeah, St. Louis is vertical. Church

renovations are almost done and uh lots of activity going on in the town. Here are the funds, the cash allocation of the funds. This is as of 10:31. So yeah, general fund 9,671,000 uh restricted revenue. The big change is just the general fund. Everything else is holding approximately where it was um from uh last month. So but yeah, the general fund is seeing the biggest action thanks to St. Louis. Continuing on to sales tax revenue. This was a little bit of good news. I don't know if you can see my cursor. Your sales tax revenue for October um was uh the se it's the se October collection. Sorry, it's what we received in November. So, this revenue is collected in October and it's for the month of September and it was uh $7,241 higher than the prior year. And that's a 1.47 increase over 2024. Last month, I was a little worried uh because we kind of had a a a drop of 3%, but we're back up with a 1.4% increase. So that was kind of good news. The short-term

rental tax revenue again great performance for uh that month. So the again it's still at 11% of total revenue. Um, but it did increase by 11.49% over the same time last year. Um, so you're right here. Um, which is great. Still can't explain that short-term uh rentals are doing great and uh, you know, we're getting uh, you know, a lot of visitors in town. So, that's kind of helping to keep things moving. Uh for some of us maybe we're kind of bummed because we don't get as long of an off season, but there they are. And then remote sellers with October. I mean it was almost the same as last month. Um so that was about 2.39% higher than October 2024. So again holding steady with uh the revenue coming in then the budget expenditure analysis. Um the general fund um oops I've been staring at a lot of spreadsheets. I apologize for that. That was a mistake. Um the actual um budget is the 16 million. The actual expenditures is $14,757 or $14,757,712,

which is actually 90.6% of uh the budgeted. Um, but what's going on right now is as I'm working through uh the Frasier Housing Authority and getting the loan, the bridge loan accounted for, that number should not necessarily increase, but um it's been a process making sure that the housing authority bridge loan, which is now showing up here, and what's been expensed, um, I'm having to go back through a lot of the um invoicing from uh more housing. Now uh because um I have to separate out the expenditures that are going to actually attribute to the bridge loan from the expenditures that are accounted for um in the grant funding. So, that's been a bit of a uh a new challenge for me and but we're going to get that all straightened out before uh final budget submitt. So, does anybody have any questions?

You said in the uh general fund we were at $14 million in expenditures. Yeah, that was uh this number right there is a mistake. Okay, that I I completely apologize. Uh like I said, a lot of spreadsheets. So, we're at Yeah, I was just It It seemed like it was decimal in the wrong place. Okay, that's She said we're at 90. I was making sure I was following correctly. Yeah, we're at We're at closer. I heard Jeff, but I was just making sure I was in the right place. Yeah. Well, thank you. Sorry about that. No worries.

Okay, any other questions? Okay, I'll stop sharing and thank you for your time. Thanks, Lori. Thank you, Lori. Thank you, Lori. Okay,

moving on to resolution 2021 1105 authorizing a memorandum of understanding with Frasier Valley Community Media um FVCM operator of KFFR 88.3 FM and KWTR 89.1 FM Ryan Wilson.

Hi everyone. Um, my name is Ryan Wilson. I'm the executive director of Frasier Valley Community Media. Um, and it's a kind of a really exciting moment right now. Um, for the past eight years, we we've kind of worked with the town of Frraasier, and you guys have always asked, why does it say Winter Park at the end of the radio station? Well, now we say Frraasier. Um, and that's thanks to a new radio station, KWTR 89.1 FM and its city of license is Frraasier. And so we are simal casting on both stations and so people are hearing the term for the word Frasier every single day, every single hour. And we're really excited about that. Um, I think it's interesting we had two commissioners here, but one commissioner was not here and I had him on my slide. So this was at our ribbon cutting here in uh, Graanby Ranch. So, how KWTR came about is we were able to move KFFR to the top of Graanby Ranch, which is expanded our reach throughout most of the county. People are picking it up in Kremling. I was able to pick it up all the way over on Rabbiders Pass, believe it or not. Um, so we are now really Grant County Community Radio and we are thrilled to be housed in the town of Frraasier. Couldn't imagine a better partnership. Um, so what I'm here today is I want to talk about a few different things. Um, you know, really about the importance of the partnership we have with Frraasier. Um, kind of what the state of the station is and what we plan on continuing to do. And finally, the word I want you to think about is the word more. Um, how can you utilize us more? And just kind of listening so far in this um board meeting, I think there's a lot of things that came up in my mind. Um a PR campaign for the

transit authority. Well, guess what's a great place for that PR campaign? KFFR and KWTR. Um updates on the bypass. I know the bypass has been something that's been talked about forever. I know people would love to learn more about what's happening. if that's really going to break ground in the next couple years, we want to make sure people know about that in our community. Um the the drive driving traffic to Frasier and with the buses now that we are in Grand Lake, now that we are in Grandby, we can drive traffic here more than we've ever been able to drive that traffic. And so kind of keep that in mind. Um, we just had the Grand Foundation on our public affairs show uh right before this this meeting and we're talking about all the resources that are available in the community. And so that's just another way that I encourage you to think about using uh this big megaphone that you have in your own town. um fire preparedness. You know, we are really working hard and I'll talk a little bit about more detail on that on how we want to be the source of content if there is another natural disaster. And um I think we're really close to doing that. Of course, we hosted uh Congressman Nagus over in Grand Lake and had a really great conversation with the wildfire council about what people can do for fire preparedness. And then um Paul Cot, guess what? We could make a spot on KFR that says, "Hey, let's call Rick Ritter and everybody call them." There's nothing wrong with that. We could absolutely do that. That's what community radio is about. And so, uh, one of the things I'm really asking for is, yes, we're asking for money, but we're also asking for you to tell us what you want on the radio. This is your community radio station, everybody's community radio station, and we're working hard to represent as many people as we can. Um, as you kind of see on

this front sheet, of course, uh, I'm really excited that Steve Fitzgerald has just joined our board. Um, we're going to be working a little bit more closely with Frasier Valley Arts, and we're really excited about some potential with that. Um, this picture right here is me on top of Bullfrog. This is over at the top of W of the Mary Jane. That's where we're transmitting KWTR. Um, and we're really excited that this you can see straight into Frasier. And so the signal, if you're listening in Frraasier, I really encourage you to listen to 89.1. It sounds better. It's got better connection. Um, it's got a little bit of different programming, but 90% of the programming is the same between the two stations. And I want you to realize that KWTR is the station for Frraasier. So if there's ideas that you have, if there's things that you want to do, we can utilize that station to promote what the town of Frasier is doing. And that's really a big part of what its mission is to do. In addition, it is K water is what we're referring it to. And so we're really trying to build up our programming to focus on being at the headarters of the Colorado River and what that means and how can we inform our local community about that. And so that's where I really want to talk about, you know, our broadcast expansion. Um, Mayor Cir Vinnick was there and uh it was a great ribbon cutting. We're really excited that we're broadcasting two signals throughout the entire county. And just keep in mind that this did not happen just last year magically. This has been happening and this has been in the works for about four years. We identified this as our goal and we made it happen in this last year. Unfortunately, um in the last year we expected and we were told that we were going to get federal funding with the establishment

of KWTR. What we were going to do with that federal funding, it would have been between$1red and $180,000. we would have built a news department and we would have been able to cover more information. The good news is we don't really need it. The bad news is we just have to work harder now. Um, and we're really looking at a lot of different ways to do that. We're looking at citizen journalism. We're looking at different ways to get more stories on the air. But that kind of brings up our 2025 highlights. Um, this last year was a banner year for KFFR and KWTR. We held more concerts in our studio. And I want you to really think about that from the town of Frraasier, right? We're bringing that culture to the town of Frraasier with these shows. And we're really excited that we're housed here to make that happen. We had um we we've had a band every single month play in our stage. Um we're recording that music and then we're putting that into our library. You can actually tune in to KWTR on s Saturday mornings at 8 am and hear these blue spruce shows and they're really cool shows and they're featuring the town of Frraasier in that. So I think it's a really great highlight for the town of Frasier. Um more opportunity. We've had Sarah Katanzerite on our station a couple of times. We had Parks Thompson on our uh show a couple or once. And uh we're we're telling you guys, we're telling the community what you are doing. whether it's the DDA, whether it's uh the bike park, um please know that everybody on this council has an open invitation to come on and talk about what you're passionate about for the town of Frraasier. Um we want your voices on there, so please don't hesitate to reach out. Um so our goals for 2026, um more capacity. We have a staff now. It's not just me. So it's really exciting in that sense. Um, we've got a staff of five, uh, two full-time staff

and two part-time staff. And I'll talk a little bit about what they're doing. Um, but we have more capacity to do more. Um, we have more connections. We're working with, uh, you know, the town of Grand Lake, the town of Graanby, we're working with Destination Grammy, we're working with the town of Winter Park to do a lot of different things throughout the entire county, but we're in Frraasier, right? And so, it's always coming back to supporting and highlighting Frasier. um more community. We want every voice as possible on our station and we are bringing people together. This county is big. I remember, you know, I was a ski bum here in 1999 and I thought it was just kind of Winter Park and Frasier. I didn't really know the rest of the county. When I moved back 8 years ago, I'm like, "Wow, this county really is big." And what is the way to bring this county together? And in my mind, it is the radio station. I think that is what its goal is. That's my vision for it. How do we bring it all together? and that's what we're working on. So, we basically have four goals for this next year. Um, strengthening our local news and information. Granted, we didn't get the Corporation for Public Broadcasting funding, but we are working closely with some key partners in the um community to build um things that promote news and information. One is our public affairs show. Of course, we're working with Jeremy Cronhn, who is going to interview a bunch of old-timers in the community, and we're going to put that as a a show once a month. Uh we're working with Skyhigh News. We've already done two pilots. Skyhigh News is going to come into the station, and they're going to talk about the headlines and then we're going to dive deeper into some of the bigger issues that are going on in the county. Um and we're also looking at who at um couple other people talking about permaculture. We're looking at water reporting of course as well. Um so we're really excited where that's going. Um

we kind of hit a goal in this last year and so this next year we are working with a new board. We have a eightp person board now four new members and we're going to be planning for the next five years and the next 10 years and so we're going what does that look like? Do we have satellite stations around the county? what do we do to increase our signal in those one those dead spots and so we're really going to be planning that and I look forward to presenting that to you next year. Um we're working closely with the youth. I was at Middle Park High School on Monday. If you tune in to KFFR on Wednesday mornings between 8:15 and 8:30, you'll actually hear students broadcasting from Middle Park High School on KFFR. And they have it as a class. We're working with a teacher Sarah Recctor over there and they go on every Monday and Wednesday and they actually broadcast from Middle Park High School and then we put that on the station. We're trying to grow the youth program or the youth sports program broadcasting and I've got five new DJs that are ready to mentor youth and run more sports broadcasting probably on KWTR. Um so we're really excited about putting that out and letting people be able to listen to that. Um and then probably the biggest most important thing that we're working on is emergency preparedness. The Windy Gap fire um took us out in the sense that the power went out at Graanby Ranch and then the power went out here in Frraasier for 4 hours. My battery backup systems only lasted an hour. So we were actually down and unfortunately I was out of town that weekend. And so like we need to fix this. And so we are applying for grants all across the county. Um, and we are looking for battery backup systems. We have a plan in place. It's about a $25,000 project. I feel confident that we'll get that. So, we will be on the air in the case of any kind of emergency. The other thing that's really cool is because we

relocated our towers to the ski areas, we have natural fire breaks now. So, the chances of a fire getting to our transmitters has definitely decreased significantly. so we can be there and we can be telling people the most important information that's out there in the case of an emergency. So that's kind of our goals for 2026. Um I want to look back real quick on 2025 and what we did for the town of Frraasier. Um first thing uh we have been broadcasting your Frasier Council briefs. I know that Sarah Ha has a kind of an AI form that's or podcast. Well, we are broadcasting that every Wednesday on KFFR and every Thursday and Saturday on KWTR. So, anything that happens in these meetings can be heard on the local community radio station. Um, we were there. We were had live coverage of Fire and Ice. We were able to expand our signal all across uh that area and our DJs uh played the music for that event. Um, we were we had a booth and made announcements at the mural festival and we were at the double take or uh dealer takes four should not say devil takes four dealer takes four um over here at town park. We broadcast that on KWTR and then what we also did to promote the tourism of Frraasier is we went around and got audio postcards. So, we interviewed all of the different artists at those different events and now we have that to promote the events coming up in this next year. Um, we also had many people whether it was Sarah or Sarah um coming on for guest appearances. Uh, Mike Turner also has a show on Wednesday morning. Sarah Wick would often come in and talk about the things that the town of Frraasier is doing during his show. Um, of course, we did promote the DDA and what the DDA is doing. Uh we look forward to doing that more. We want to create a spot that says, "Hey, here's when those meetings

are and we'll be working to do that." And then of course we supported the Frasier bike park and getting that information out. Um and then we had the Frasier master plan. Um we had a whole public affairs show on the Frasier master plan the day that it was displayed over at the rec center. Um and we're really excited to promote St. Louis and affordable housing. So, uh, please keep us in mind as that project continues to move forward. And then probably the most exciting, well, I don't know if it's the most exciting, but we are excited to host, uh, Mayor Cir Venick on our stage on December 17th, right? And he's going to give a state of the community address, um, on KFFR and KWTR. So, we think that's a cool new addition to our community radio station. Um, so what are we asking for? We're asking for the same thing we asked for last year as as far as I understand it. Um Sarah put this in her budget. Not sure if her budget's been approved or not, but I believe it is in her budget. Um so we're saying give us the same amount of money as you did last year and we're going to give you more service. So that seems like a good deal, right? Um we want to do more. We want to coordinate with the town staff and uh to um get that information out. And I I am literally pleading with you if there's information that you think people misunderstand about the town of Frraasier or what you guys are doing, please contact us and let us make a spot on that. Let us get you on the air for our public affairs show. We want to make sure that people know what is actually happening and not making things up in their head. Um we want those reminders about town council meetings. I don't know if you guys want that, but maybe um tell people, hey, there's a town council meeting on these days. like I we didn't do that last year and I think that would be something good. Um again, we'll continue to air those Frasier Council summaries. Um we will be heavily

involved in Frasier Fire and Ice. We'll be heavily involved in Mural Festival, uh Plane Air at Altitude, and then also Picnic in the Park. We're excited to continue and we want to broadcast at least one of those shows from Picnic in the Park. um we want to uh really, you know, continue the state of the community broadcast. That wasn't actually in our plan last year and um Sarah and Brian came to us and we're like, "This is a great idea." So, we're excited to potentially do that year over year and maybe even encourage some of the other towns to do something like that. Um and then maybe make sure that we're covering those major initiatives. But I can't reiterate this enough, we um can't do it unless you tell us what's going on. So, um, Sarah's great and is always telling those things, but you know, if there's something that maybe you're not hearing or you feel like there's any kind of misinformation, please reach out. And so, how are we going to do this? Is it stuck? There we go. Um, so I guess I should say we are asking for 20,000. Now I'm going really fast. 20,000 like we did last year. Um, and what's we really appreciate with the town of Frraasier is, you know, we're using this for operations. We're making sure that we can operate the station and grants and stuff are great, but at the end of the day, they don't pay the day-to-day operations. And so, this money is really important, especially in light of the of the closing of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. Um, I think you guys have it maybe in your packet, but uh just want to go over the staff and who we have real quick. Uh, Rachel Williams is our content producer. So, she is um on Tuesdays and Wednesdays. She recorded Brian actually today. Uh, she's got a little production room and we are able to record things Tuesdays and Wednesdays. We're supporting a lot on Colorado Gives right now and she's doing

a lot of that work. But her story is great because she was an intern with KFFR for a year and then she did such a great job and learned so much that we hired her. So, it's really an example of growing our homegrown talent. Um, Anastasia Button, she's from Kremling. I'm just going to stop with that. Um, Anastasia joined us in March and now she's kind of in charge of our underwriting, but she's been really helpful in creating processes to make sure that our communication is solid between everybody, whether it's a DJ, whether it's an underwriter, whether it's a business, whether it's another nonprofit. And we're really excited to have Joanna Goodman. Joanna Goodman's been our president of our board of directors for four years. and she knows everything about the organization and we convinced her to become a staff member and now she's organizing all of our events. So, she'll be heavily involved in like our fire and ice uh collaboration, the Mural Fest collaboration. And then we just hired a new um employee. She lives in Winter Park. Her name's Carly Moyer and she we're really excited about her. She's very passionate about community radio. She lived in LA for a while and did um production work on like reality TV shows. So, she's got a lot of skills. She understands storyboarding and uh we're hoping to bring her on full-time uh next year. So, our team is growing. What that means for the town of Frraasier is we can provide more for you. Um, real quick, I I just want to again thank the town of Frraasier. Um, and being one of the f the first town to really utilize, I think, what this resource is for the community. Um, you were the first one to allow us to have a town forum. I was just talking to the internet and we'd like to do it again. I know that there's seats that are open um, and that it's going to be in November. We would love to host that again at KFFR Studios. Of course, it's

great because you can be on the stage, people can come and see it, but they can also listen online and um on the radio. But that really set the stage for us that said, "Wow, we can be something that supports government transparency, that supports democracy, that supports knowledge throughout our community." And I believe the town of Frraasier was a leader in that and seeing this potential. And um now we're doing it on a bigger level. And so I am here to just say that we have a shared mission. I think we have a lasting impact and our collaboration is making massive improvements in our community and throughout the entire county. So thank you for your support and I hope to continue that support and collaboration in the future and happy to answer any questions you might have. Not really a question. Uh I received your email on your survey and I was filling it out and uh it seemed to stall it like I said I basically it said I answered a question wrong and I couldn't move on to the next page. Um so I don't know if you're seeing that issue across the board or um I I I mean I answered every question on that page and it would not let me continue on. So, um, you don't have my survey results at this time. That's a problem. And and well, that's a neither here nor there, but I I just want to make sure you don't have a systematic problem with your survey out there and you get some good feedback from the community.

Um, that survey real quick. uh we have not so because we can't measure how many people are listening on the radio. The way they measure that stuff is through surveys like that. And so that survey is really unique. We've never participated in that survey before. Um but the National Federation of Community Broadcasters um collaborated with an organization called Jacob's Media that created that survey. And if we can get that survey filled, that's going to help us understand our ratings and our listenership and how people are doing it. I try. And so, um, I will reach out to the company and tell them to make sure they take a look at that. Um, but yeah, thank you so much for it's a complicated and kind of a long survey, so I appreciate the time doing that, but it will stand as a benchmark for us to be able to measure listenership.

I think my place has stayed where where where it stopped moving forward. So, I'll I'll definitely follow up with you, Adam, on that. You got anything else I can answer or questions you might have? Awesome. Thank you, Brian. All right. Yeah. Thanks. It's awesome.

And mayor, there's a resolution there. Yeah. If uh same dollar amount for some the same services plus some addons that they'll be including with that. So, I think it's been a great quality. Yeah. And just to note, it's well, it might feel like a donation. We're actually getting a lot out of it. Yeah. There's a lot of Sims, but it's already in the budget. Yeah, it's already in the budget. I'm really happy about the emergency piece. Yeah, the emergency piece is selling it for me. So, so I'd like to make a motion to approve resolution number 25 2025-11-05.

Second. Any further discussion? All in favor? I. Any opposed? Okay. Motion carries. Thank you. Thanks, Ryan. All right. Resolution 2025 11104 ratification of contract to purchase 360 Railroad Avenue. Michael,

thank you, Mayor. Uh Michael Brack, Fraser Town Manager. Uh just want to bring this forward. This agenda item ratifies a real estate contract for the purchase of 360 Railroad Avenue uh here in Frraasier, which is located right next to the uh the Amtrak station. Um, we've been working with that property owner uh over the last couple months discussing uh possibility of procuring that space for some uh some future public initiatives. Um, and uh this ratifies that. The purchase price that we did um work with the property owner for that is for 925,000. So, what this would do is uh approving this resolution that's in the packet would ratify um that contract and allow us to move forward with the closing that is currently scheduled for uh January 9th. Uh mayor, I don't know if there's if you would like kind of to speak about that property a little bit.

Yeah. Um so we noticed a a big need for a transportation center for Frraasier and um having the um passenger rail increasing a year from now um made it even more clear that we needed something like this. Um yeah, working with we'll be able to work with passengers from Amtrak, from the passenger rail, whoever the company is that does that. um the lift bus service, the Mustang, they all stop right there. And so it really is a need, especially with our weather, to have an indoor space where people can wait for whatever transportation they they need. um the space. Um I reached out to the the owner quite a while ago and just to see what her thoughts were on it and she was open to it and um and then things accelerated pretty quickly and and she was looking for an offer. So um yeah, so we made her an offer and uh got it appraised. So, we we uh actually gave her over the appraisal value for it and um I think it's a very fair thing and it sets us up for the future. Um as far as transportation goes,

we're over the appraisal value about 25,000 I think over the appraisal value. Is that are we allowed to I mean we're a government entity or so the the the valuation report was really a it's used as a baseline um and just with uh consulting um uh uh with you all and also um with with Peggy and and Brian and talking about just trying to make a competitive offer. Um this is uh this offer was was right on the mark and was accepted with the first uh to keep it from going to market. Correct.

Do we what are our immediate plans? Are we going to yeah subleasase a contractor to operate this for us or or or so there's there's a lot to figure out. Yeah, we mentioned three different operations that are centered around that. Um there's it's still pretty vague at this point. I can just tell you the next steps. Uh assuming a successful closing, that's what I'm asking.

Uh assuming a successful closing on January 9th, uh we'll be having uh staff evaluating the space, looking at ensuring that all the different transportation options that would be used in this hub that we are meeting or and or exceeding uh any ADA requirements for those. and um just looking at uh just util utilization of the space, looking at security for the space, how it can be open, how it can be managed. Um there's a lot of things to figure out. Um it's a good challenge, I think, to have. Um but, uh we'll be we do have $15,000 dedicated that is in the current budget for tonight. um dedicated towards just, you know, enhancing that space, refreshing the space, furnishing it, bringing it up to hopefully just ADA compliance if it's not already there. But there's still a lot of work to do. Um some things could be opened up more more quickly um as long as we do meet those ADA standards. Um and some things could could delay that. So,

do we expect third party management on on this stuff or is this going to be inhouse management? We don't know at this time. I think right now the idea is that this would be managed by the town. Um and this be one of the facilities that we that we call for in our budget and we do manage. We do have a facilities manager for the town facilities and uh and just like any other building we would be maintaining the security and the entry exit uh marketing materials uh working as a bit of a visitor center um for that that space as well um given the traffic that'll be coming through there and uh and just looking at things that make sense. So, there's definitely a lot of work to do regarding pro programming, long-term planning, and just, you know, ways that we can really utilize that space.

Any could be an option. And it's we're going to keep the same building. We're not going to build a different building on the property. No plans to change it as of now. I mean, we'll change it from what it is to, you know, a more usable transit center, but but uh yeah, walls and everything will stay. What about the yard on the side? That's a big piece of property. anything with that potential parking. Um, yeah, things to figure out. I I don't know. Have there been conversations for for the transition from the existing? Um, so we do have

um so I have spoken with the property owner for the current Amtrak station. Um, and uh, you know, he's he's he's not really tied one way or the other. Um, so, uh, it's ultimately going to be up to Amtrak if they want to move to using that space. They've talked about using space along the Union Pacific Railroads. They would have to negotiate with the UPR for, uh, constructing any types of facilities within the right of way for the rail for the upper, yeah, the the UPR. Um but they seemed to be pretty open to our space and was looking forward to uh the decision made tonight to ratify this agreement and ultimately the closing um scheduled for January 9th to start conversations

and they operate on an annual lease at this time. They have a lease with that can be has provisions for it to be canceled at any time uh at the current location till 2029 2028 um something along those lines. Only with Amtrak though, not with the Mustang or the It's only with Amtrak. And that's that's part of the issue that we're I think trying to address here is um that has only been used for Amtrak. That's only been um available for Amtrak users and no other users for any other transportation systems.

Do we see the other transportation systems partnering or contracting in or or or is this uh Frasier carries it for the benefit of of our residents and our downtown? But you you know um it's it's is there is there a financial obligation from those other entities? It's something we want to explore with Mustang certainly. That's C dot. Um and um as far as the lift goes, unlikely, you know, it's just already expensive. So yeah. But will lift use that as like a hub or anything? Yeah. And so that's a that's additional giving on us for the lift it as well as the disproportional ask that they have. Okay.

Yeah. So, I mean, all all the programmings and use of the space, those, you know, we'll have those conversations with the board. Um, I want to be able to have staff to get in there and do an initial assessment um of meeting the ADA standards and different things that they see to be critical as far as converting it to being available for these different transportation options and uh being able to move forward with the construction uh for with a conversation with the board regarding how you want to use that space. um currently maybe in the short term then long term that can be I think a broader conversation as far as what you want to do in the future.

Well, in the bigger picture I do see this as a more critical piece than let's say a brewery or even the AMS building um to the downtown area and for the reasons already mentioned. Okay. And this would be a cash purchase. A cash purchase. I'm curious in a bigger picture. I mean, we're financing our public works facility and and other things like that that are essential to the town, but then we cash purchase on these opportunistic

uh things rather than finance those. I mean, I guess I'm philosophically in a different place where we should be not incurring debt on our needs and and you know, this maybe this piece is a little different, but like on a brewery or a dog's paw or whatever the building next to it is, maybe the because those I I assume we intend to turn at some point.

So, it would make sense to me that we would finance those kind of purchases and carry them for a short term and do less financing on our permanent 100red-year structures that would and that's just a philosophical thing on my part that um little bit bigger picture than just this one but I I do think this is a critical piece for downtown more so than any of the others

and you know it was a cash offer is obviously um looked at as a more beneficial to the to the seller and so since we had the cash in the reserve. So, we thought this was a good um a good use for it and it made the deal happen. So, whether refinance it or not, they get a check at the same time. Yeah, there's just less I mean,

and we looked at financing options. We looked at um you know, you will have the ability if uh if if funding allows for it, but when we had the conversations for things like certificates of participation, you know, we could look at some costs that could be in there. um that could go towards this facility um because those are just public facility dollars that you can use for things like public works facilities um and other major public infrastructure pieces like a transit hub. Yeah.

Um but yeah uh just looking at the different you know options for for doing this debt and the debt that we're already pursuing uh through the Fraser Housing Authority with those bonds and the coops. Um I provided you know the analysis to the board for that stuff for how our budget would support this and uh was I think pretty thoughtful on that. Um but uh but yeah this is the method that I would recommend. Any other questions from the board?

No what it's going to be. I feel a little better about it. I mean I was into by you know I was into it but I just didn't know what we were going to do with it. Like Right. Yeah. Yeah. I think the overwhelming need is that transportation center. So, um, okay, we'll take public comment. Uh, Quinn Fraser,

uh, there was an actual appraisal done on the building back in June. Uh, came out at 875,000. So, to say that it's around 900. Commercial properties in the valley have been going down, not up. So, I'm guessing since June, it's gone down in value, not up in value. So, your bid of 925 is a little above what the appraisal was at. Um, the other issue we have is that we have our budget and uh I don't think you guys have looked at Oldtown's water and sewer lines and roads over there in a while because they were supposed to be getting maintained back in I don't know 201 15 or 16 whenever I was on the board started there. Anyways, that work still hasn't been done. So, you guys still have all that and you think you have extra money in your budget. You just put out a bunch of bonds to do St. Louis landing. We don't know if those are going to sell or not. You have Clayton Court that according to the contractor, the bids a little high because he said he was at a million and a half and you're at 5.8. So trying to figure out where that money is actually going. Um, and you had Michael told our uh Michael Kent who owns the lot next to the Holiday in that you were not allowed to offer appraised value.

That's not what I said. That's that is a baseline document for discussions. Okay, I'll see if I can get the email that I got because he told me you told me you couldn't offer more than appraise value. Well, and Michael Kennet said that these are private discussions between us and his attorney, so I don't know how much I'm not going to discuss those conversations with you. Well, this was before the attorney involved, right? Yeah.

Just checking in on that. I I don't think you guys should be buying more commercial buildings because we shouldn't have the town competing with locals that have to pay for more full mortgages, pay for uh maintenance on their own buildings, pay for staff on their own buildings. And we know you guys are going to put something in there besides a train station. And I doubt Ron Anderson's happy that you're going to take his money from him. But if you say is, I'll I'll have to take your word until I talk to Ron. I'm free to talk to Ron Anderson. Hello.

Uh, hey, Clark Lipkcom for the record. Um, I think this is great. Um, I think good job uh on getting the property um getting under contract and um I think it is a need that the community has. I would ask that uh you uh look hard in your budget because I think this actually is something that's probably, you know, opportunities come along like this and you take advantage of them, but you kind of need to trim other spots and I think there's other spots in your budget that frankly I think should be trimmed that I disagree with. Uh but good job on getting this done. I would ask that uh you know it's not the best looking building and I don't think it reflects well on Frasier. You know it's a it's a steel building pretty pretty simple to modify and clean up. Um I would ask that uh as part of the uh plans for it that you budget a substantial amount of money to do a cool remodel and make it look cool.

It is the one across that building. Sean the building retired. Yeah. Sean is that building? Yeah. Well, it's a steel building. I mean, it is a steel frame, steel structure, I think. Isn't it? Is it, Michael? I'm not sure.

I think I mean, she takes care of my dogs and stuff, but I'm pretty sure it's a steel structure. But, um, but nonetheless, I mean, I could see that like being morphed into like a cool old style train station, you know, something that has some real character. Um, because it is it's a pretty bland blah building, but it's in a really great location for this purpose. Um, so I mean that's going to take substantially more money than you're buying it for obviously, but I think it there's an opportunity uh to really make that great and and be a a central core asset particularly when you get off the train or coming through town. Oh, maybe maybe you're not getting off here and you're going to Glenwood to the Hot Springs or the Grand Junction to go to the Winery and Palace Age, etc. You go, "Oh, that place looked pretty cool in Frraasier. Maybe I should go back there someday." Right? Um, so I mean I just think, you know, make sure you budget wisely on this and and I mean I would plan on a fairly hefty amount of money to redo the exterior shell um and make it look cool. Uh and and then again, I think there's other areas uh in your budget, which we're going to talk about shortly, uh that you could trim money out real simply and put it towards something like this and make it happen sooner than later. So, thank you. Yeah, I I totally agree with you. That's like my vision exactly. You know, make it make it look cool as you're pulling into town.

Yeah. Like Frasier's an old old town. We need a a good looking like classic style. I think it's Yeah. rail station. It should take Yeah. Investments. True. And as we jump into the budget, I know we're going to be talking about the that Clayton Court number. Um we got clarification on that. So Okay. That was going to be Yeah. That's the big one. Okay. So, we need to do I need to Oh, no. That's not this. Yeah. So, for ratification do we just approve it just like

uh it's just a resolution approving. I'm sorry. I'll make a motion to approve resolution number 2025-11-04. Second. Any further discussion? All in favor? I. Any opposed? Okay. Thanks everybody. That's exciting. nothing against breweries, but

um Okay, so now we need to open a public hearing. You make a motion. So, let's see. Um could I have a motion to open a public hearing? Um that's all I need to say, right? Oh, it does. Regarding 2026 Town of Frasier and Downtown Development Authority 2026 budgets. So moved. Second. Any further discussion? All in favor?

Any opposed? Okay. We are now in public public hearing and we'll talk about 2026 Town of Frasier budget. Lorine Mike.

All right. Thank you, mayor. Uh Michael Brack again, Frasier town manager. Um we'll see that. There we go. that works well. So, I was just going to walk through the budget message um and uh provide some opportunity for any questions. So, in the B budget message, it does it is like the the verbal outline of what is reflected in the budget. So, just moving through here, I'll just kind of focus on some specific points. Um here you do have the general kickoff for the budget message that includes uh the identified priorities for the town which include phase one of St. Landing, Clayton Court, excuse me, uh streetscape and utilities project, the new public works facility design and construction, uh bike playground, and uh the park at the Lions Ponds, uh the comprehensive plan update, um Frasier Town Hall ADA bathroom access, uh which will be in the back of this this portion here, the building for Old Schoolhouse Park. um uh the Frasier Winter Park Trail Repaving Project that is budgeted here. Uh formal sponsorship. Again, these are I want I want to preface this too that um you know, this is obviously a draft budget and this is based on a series of discussions and workshops with the board presenting to you what we see as the best budget um based on your your discussions and workshops. Anything in here is obviously subject to change. I'm just kind of providing an overview of what's currently in the packet, but you have the full ability and authority obviously to make any changes that you see fit uh to these items that are budgeted in the in the budget, which will then be reflected um when we present the budget for uh final adoption on December 3rd. And that will also any changes will also be reflected in this budget message. Okay. Does that make

just to be clear like we have not approved repaving? No, none of none of this is sponsor showing just the details of what's reflected currently in the budget and any changes that the board would like to make uh will be reflected in both the budget uh document itself and the budget message. So I'm just kind of providing just an in-depth overview of what we currently have in the budget by walking you through the budget message. Um so everything that's outlined in here is currently in the uh accounted for in this budget. So, uh, the Frasier Winter Park trail repaving project, uh, it really is a rebuild of that paved trail that goes, it's referred to as the Frasier Winter Park pave trail, um, that goes along Highway 40, uh, essentially from Wendy's, uh, by Grand Park and, uh, connecting there, um, uh, by the foundry when you get to Winter Park. Um, currently in here, you do have the formal sponsorship uh, for the Winter Park Film Festival. Um that again is sub subject to board approval. Uh but this does include $25,000 that was added to the special events line item in the budget in the general fund. Um there's also Cousins Ranch open space improvements and maintenance. Uh we will be hosting a workshop here um in January or February looking at um revisiting where the uh the Cousins Ranch open space master plan and to determine what you would like to move forward with. Um we are uh we did budget some maintenance improvements with the focus of the bike park going in looking at uh proposing some options to enhance that space around there specific for uh directed um Frasier River access and enjoyment. Um we have had one consultation with CPW and trout unlimited for that and when we host that workshop in the future we will

um invite them to that again as well. Um, but this would allow for some some access to the to the river areas and then looking at a maintenance plan for how we can kind of maintain some of these access points and overall just better maintenance and and access to the Lions Pond uh that area there which was that was discussed uh at the the board retreat earlier this year. Um, and then we do have uh in here for the initiative support for the downtown development authority. Uh while we are we do pay a portion um of those valuations, approximately $3,500 is accounted for in our budget that does is going towards the DDA um as required by how the DDA functions where it takes a portion of valuation. So a portion of our property tax revenue is going to the DDA for that just like any other special district. Um and then the continued um staff time provided by uh by Sarah Tanzitis. Um she is functioning as the interim um executive director for the DDA. Um some of the completed projects in here, we did complete the sidewalks for Norgan Road and Eisenhower Drive. Uh improving the walkability here in Oldtown Frasier. Um uh the town hall improvements, they should be completed here in the next two to three weeks. Um and uh we're really just waiting for the uh the awning I think to come in for the final insta in installation of that. So waiting on that part to come in so we can install it and then that will be done. Um but that did address ADA ramp standards um and um and the snow shed on the roof adding uh that gable there in the center to help with any kind of ice block shedding which we've had issues with in the past here. Um, we are also anticipating the uh historic church to be completed here very shortly.

Hey, you know what? I might There we go. That looks a little better. How's that, Katie? Um, online there. Uh, kind of walking right along. Um uh it continues with the different initiatives here again partnering just showing some of the the historic information there for St. Louis um our financial commitments to St. Louis upon certificates of occupancy uh provided for those buildings there uh which would be the $250,000 a year for 15 years to subsidize those units and keep them affordable. Um we do have in there the lift bus service uh for the sales tax and some of the background information there. Um and some of the concerns regarding increased cost with the shortf fall of revenues there in that restricted revenue fund. Um happy to talk about any of these items independently if you would like as I'm

Hey Michael. Yes, Katie. Somewhere in there she had mentioned. So, we have dedicated that land to grandkids, right? For their use, they have to find We have dedicated that land to a child care facility. We've had a workshop with grandkids. We have not entered into a formalized agreement yet for that space. I think somewhere that we should mention that that um because that's a big gift from the town of Frasier to dedicate that. Yeah. And I I do have that um here in the budget somewhere. I can find um Katie point number two in that in that last set of bullets.

It is the assumption that we are going to work grand kids. Is there a possibility somebody else can in in in my world? I unless until we have a formal agreement in place. Uh yeah, that's just I don't want to reflect anything that's not I I but it's a minimal chance. That's another purveyor of child care comes in. I would say a minimal chance. Okay. Okay. Y I I didn't know there was an open door basically. No, no. Yeah, it's no open door yet. We're we're working to reach an agreement with grandkids first. You got it.

Um so let's see. I have a couple questions. It does look like the pave trail that was uh something that we kind of pushed for um has been included. It has been included in line item 106370 I believe. And it looks like the Clayton Court utilities went down. Yes. And we a couple million. We'll get to that here shortly. Okay. Um I I'll let you Yeah. Um but uh yeah, the bids with the bids came in for that and um we have an anticipated awarded bid that will be going out and be coming to the board for approval on December 3rd which then allows us to what

court for the streetscape uh the utilities he knows through Excel and Mountain Parks. And then uh I I guess on the uh on the film festival I I I think there's a little bit of discussion or direction to be had and I'll let you we can you know I don't really you know we can I can either go through this and we can have conversation or we can have conversations you guys want to. It's really up to you. I almost figured we'd start at the very top and go through the bullet points. Um just describe what they are and uh what the changes are. But if you've got a a game plan, yeah, I'm probably blowing it up right now.

Well, I'm not going to read this this whole 18page document. Kind of highlighting different parts of it um that I think are critical just from like the 10 bullet points of 20 2026. Those are really the big items that affect the budget. The others are cost of living increases or CPI and those kind of things. Yeah. U Yeah. Yeah, I mean we can talk about that. We do have the development agreement with Mountain Affordable Housing. Um childcare facility uh operated by Grand Kids uh is being heavily subsidized. So it is right there Katie. Um if I can highlight that. Okay. Right there. Um right. It measures in

why I can't highlight things, but um I just don't see where it actually says that we're dedicating the building to them because it's a zero lease, right? Or $5 lease. There's a lease. $1,000 a year lease. Yeah, I think that's what I'd like to see in there. Okay. Adding that $1,000 a year lease. Yeah, sure. Thank you. I can I can pull the actual name. I don't know what it is off hand, but it's it's Yeah, we can

Yeah, we can do that later. That's good. Uh so adding the uh rent uh agreement and again that's just been anou that hasn't been permanent but uh but thatou was stated $1,000 a year as advised by our legal team just for maintenance and some different things there.

Thank you. Um, so yeah, approximately that space, uh, given some some of the market rate research we've done on on commercial lease space, uh, that's about $29 a square foot. Um, so it's $250,000 a year for that 8,500 square foot space for grandkids. Um, but uh, yeah, we can we can we can add the rental piece to that as well that we've talked about so far. So, we're at about 5% of market 5% of market. Yeah,

it's pretty close to market. 250 uh $250,000 is if you take uh $250,000 divided by 8,500 square feet, you're at about $29 a square foot. Yeah, but I guess I was doing easier numbers. Uh 12 grand a year versus this is $250,000 a year. That's the market rate, but we're charging Well, we're charging a,000 a year. A,000. I'm sorry. Thousand a year. Okay. Now, now I'm following you. Yeah, I was thinking it was. So,

no, just thousand a year. So, we had that for Sarah based on that. Great. Okay. Yeah. Um, lift bus service currently funded by the 1% sales tax. Um again showing that that is an inadequate approach. Um we are having uh forthcoming conversations with Tawwater Park about uh regional transit authorities uh such as discussed by uh Mr. Limum. Um in addition to a wider initiative for a regional trans transportation authority that could help offset some of these um u cost um increases that we're seeing now and that we can obviously expect in the future. It's definitely not going to become a cheaper service. I can think tell you that um and uh we're also Winter Park continues to have conversations internally about bringing that inhouse um uh versus contracting that out. So, uh that price does reflect their newly negotiated contract with TransDev uh which starts a 5-year contract. So, uh the current for Frasier's portion the current 1.489 489 million uh for services in Frraasier. Uh those will have a 3% increase over the next four years. Um is their current contract

a five-year contract if they take that in-house or they is there an opt out? I'm not sure. Okay. It's a good question I can ask them, but I wouldn't I would not assume that they would have their ducks in a row if they were going to bring it internal even in five years. I think uh you think it's a longer process then? Yeah. Okay. That's good answer. But good questions. Yeah, good questions. Uh, but Winter Park manages that. I I Yeah, we have conversations, but I'm not directly managing their transit.

Um, so obviously more conversation next year regarding that. Um, uh, wanting to maintain the the industrial pre-treatment program and zero discharge policy that we currently have in the Frasier sanitation district. um continuing a collaborative approach with those dis with the uh the partnering sanitation districts and our local comm commercial users. Um I am working to get that on the agenda for maybe January as far as that current subsidy that I think you've talked about before Katie. Um uh for that hauling service that is currently being paid by the rateayers,

right? Um, town's water and wastewater collection will remain on pace according to the 2023 adapted 10-year capital improvement plan um to replace the aging infrastructure here in town. Um so that capital improvement plan will continue to be updated um as we move along year to year. How many years into that are we?

Uh that was 2023. So we're two we budget for the third year or about two two years two and a half. Some of the bigger some of the bigger items in there may not be feasible. So we're pulling some forward pushing some back as funding. Um next in there we have uh continue continued legal fees. Wait. Yes. Continue legal fees uh between the town of Frraasier and Cornerstone um uh to cover um those items expecting likely an appeal in 2026. Uh that final ruling I think it's projected to come out here second week of December is I believe what I sent out to everybody. Um but uh we should have the ruling from Judge Hook on that soon. Um but just ensuring that we have funds available for legal work tied to um to that ongoing lawsuit. Um uh with the completion of a major renovation of the church um we will be looking at increasing rental rates. Um and tonight you made a comment earlier about some increased interest there.

Yeah, I don't know if the word's gotten out there that we're doing work, but I have had some increased new people calling to rent the church. um some more uh regular reservations through the winter. So that will help us and I think once everything's complete, you know, we want to look at increasing the rates. Um we can do that. However, it I do look at it as it is a great community asset and it is affordable for people to use. So increasing the rates maybe modestly could could be could be good, but I don't think it would be great to increase them very much. Is the interest more single event or is it reoccurring type thing?

Um I well I got the the ski misters which you guys probably all know. Um they've contacted me about doing a regular event in there um all winter. So hopefully that will work out. Um and just some other um private parties that have never used it before. I've never even been in the church. So I think that that's great. Um, and I think once the renovations are complete, so we'll do a little campaign to get it out and advertise and hopefully get some more people in there to use it. I think I've been to more events there in the last like two years than I ever have in my life. Yeah, I think Yeah. baptisms and stuff. Yes. You know, know about it.

We don't really market it. I mean, it is on our website and I think there's so few places to really hold community events that the word kind of gets around by mouth. Yeah. Um but we hope to get it around even more. That's cool. Good thing to mark it on KFR. Yeah. Okay. Um

okay. Interest in pursuit of Cabernet Town. So again, um you know, we do there is some interest in moving forward with home rule. Um so we will be pursuing um that work next year to discuss bringing that to the ballot initiative um to on the 2027 ballot initiative looking at home rule options. Um a lot of that conversation just revolved around lodging tax dollars um that could be available. You okay K? And uh

yeah sorry I'll turn off my mic. Sorry. But uh basically the the direction from the board was at the last retreat was to move forward with that initiative at the the ballot of November next year. Um, and this last poll that we just talked about, the acquiring 360 Railroad Avenue in Frraasier, um, as a joint transportation hub, um, and looking at some other opportunities for parking, um, that could support some new downtown development or redevelopment of existing properties. Um, so that's the last bullet there. Um, any questions about those initiatives? um or even specifically the uh the ones that I went through earlier that are that do identify their priorities outlined in the budget um for Clayton Court facilities, the Lions ponds, um you know, uh the ADA bathroom access to the rear of this building, uh the the trail repaving project, uh the formal sponsorship for the Winter Park Film Festival, Um and uh and some some maintenance improvements there to the Lions ponds.

Could you discuss the the changes to the Clayton? Yeah, sure. Sure. A bit. And I mean I've already ascertained that some of that's been reallocated is others just being returned to the general budget and anticipate carryover.

So that line item in the budget has gone down from 5.875 million to the current shown 3.65 million. Um, so the bids did come in from Clayton Court. Some of those dollars that So we had $4.4 million that was budgeted for for Clayton Court specifically and now we're budgeting for 3 million. Um, that $4.4 million number did include some land acquisition costs that were that we were planning with the rightway acquisition. With that, it did pay for the waterline. Um, so we've done the water line extension. Paul, you want to kind of recap what we've done thus far?

I say yes. So the water line has been installed. Uh um so that that original number was based on the engineers estimate cost and going into this year there's been a lot of changes. We had to split it into two phases

uh in order to uh get water to the development out there. And then um there was a lot of pause in looking at heated sidewalks and some delay in trying to try and make geothermal work which it's viable just we have nowhere there's not enough room out there. Um, and so I was just looking at that and then the bids came in um late Monday night, so a little bit lower than we were anticipating. So that's good. Uh, and so the um, if you look in the in the budget message here, we talk about it. We got 1.8 budgeted for the streetscape and then 1.2 for the utility relocates. Uh, we do not have a number from Mountain Parks yet and we do not have a number from Excel uh, from where the board agreed to run the uh, infrastructure down the main infrastructure down the road. So, um, then we also have to run conduit for Comcast. Uh, they will go in the same trench with Mountain Parks, but they don't lay conduit, so we have to add conduit for them. So, there's just a lot lot going on out there. And then, of course, we have the hydrant relocate um that we currently got going due to um Excel's uh requirements to be on the um east side of the road, which is where the hydrants were.

So, the 1.2 isn't a hard number. That's an estimate. That's an estimate kind of when we kind of thinking about how we buried the line through Lion's Ponds, what that cost versus what this is, singlephase versus three-phase, transformers, all those things that we have to to deal with. Um, so, you know, right now the plan is we're going to run everything down Clayton Court. Um, and it seems like the developer, the two developers at the South End aren't really ready for any. So, we really don't know what those connections are going to be. they're going to have to make those connections after we after we do unless they uh figure it out before May. So, currently the plan is Excel

Excel is probably going to be there in May in April. They so back half of April they always try to finish up what they didn't get to this year and then we are on the front end of 2026 projects. So, they think they'll be there uh early part of May to run the 4 I think it's a 4inch gas line all the way down and then Mountain Parks is still doing their design. So I don't have any numbers from them. So when do we anticipate hard numbers? Premay premay. Yeah it's on their time frame that both of their engineering departments have it are coming up with a design.

So I'd say at this point we have uh the infrastructure has been run from uh kind of right there at the back side of Koslig down to the new um bakery

in in Stro. Um, and then the stubs have been run to the art center for our grant and then kind of everything is stopped right there and we have to run it all the way down. So, so the other items that are called out, they're in the budget which are noted right next to it. Um, so 1.8 that includes a 15% contingency that we put in there for Clayton Court. Um, uh, and then 1.2 too, which will get tighter numbers once we actually get calls from Excel and and uh Mountain Parks Electric. Um the other items budgeted in there for the total 3.65 million is $150,000 for the public works design. Um that was approved by the board at the last meeting and the Frasier Winter Park paved trail rebuild is budgeted for 500,000. Uh we believe that that project's likely to come in around 700,000. Um, we'll be pursuing some grant opportunities to hopefully make up that difference. Um, so looking forward to that. But those really do cover I think the the major initiatives. I'll walk through the rest of the budget message, but um kind of highlight a few different other sections here, but want to keep it open. U was there any consensus about Frasier Film Festival or um anything else that we have lying bulletized there in the budget message? Well, I think on the uh Frasier Film Festival that, you know, we discussed that a little bit yesterday. Um and it seemed that they're not a formal entity and and we're so there's 25 two guys asked them for $25,000

and as Lori said, we'll get called out on that on an audit. So I I I guess I'd like you to Yeah. discuss that situation a little and that we need to put some conditions on this.

No, absolutely. Um so yes, we uh we did talk to the grant foundation yesterday. Um and uh and Lori and I both have a very good understanding of what needs to take place before that funding is provided. uh essentially they need to complete the formation of of a 501c3 entity um to be able to receive funds and revenues uh that Grant Foundation currently has from last year. Um and then additionally, the last thing that we want to require is that they were awarded $5,000 in funds um through the donor advice funds last year um and just require them to fulfill their submit the report on how that $5,000 funds was spent. that is uh they did not apply for donor advice funds this year. Um but if they were to try to apply, one of the requirements that we have for this program for multiple for for entities that are applying every year is they have to submit their annual report on how those funds were used. So those are really the two main sticking points, the conditions. Um, and once they establish the 501c3, you know, they'll obviously have to establish a bank account and those different things, but providing the uh the evidence of that, being able to review that on the the state LLC website, um, and then just having that final report on how those funds were used and were granted to them last year. Those are really the two primary conditions of approval for those funds.

And how about our logo on any of the published materials? I think that got missed last year. I'm always for that. Yeah, I think that should be a mandate. Our local on all their published materials. Yeah, agreed. Definitely. Um, can we do a reimbursement 25,000? So, it's they submit receipts and we approve.

Uh, we could look at that route. Um, that makes their reporting a lot easier because it's done. They handed a seat. Um, and I'm I'm sorry that and the last thing is obviously with with the $25,000 grant request requiring a financial report for how those funds are spent. So, we could give it we could do it retroactively like you're saying. Um, or we could just um require a report to that needs to come in um for how those funds are spent. Uh, which again, I guess would be more of a retroactive reimbursement, right? You know, and I'm also wondering if a 500% increase is is appropriate in funding. We were at 5,000 last year to jump to 25.

Adam, you need to talk in your microphone. I can't get half of what you're saying.

I I I guess I I was questioning uh um the amount of increase. It's a 500% increase. Um, and you know, I just don't I I didn't know if there should be any discussion on the appropriateness of that. Uh, you know, it Yeah, they didn't apply for donor advised funds this year. I don't believe the grand foundation can support them further until they're a formalized entity. And so it seems to be falling on the town and uh there's conditions to be met. So, I don't know if discussion is needed on the on the dollar amount. I mean, I I'm supportive of the event, but I don't know that going from 5,000 to 25,000 is necessarily appropriate.

It's a big step. And that request that request was um uh made through a couple different presentations they did get to the board um trying to talk about the marketability increasing their marketing campaign for that. But uh um I could have them send you guys all an email if you'd like to and talk about that a little bit more. Um and also the concept of a reimburseable 25,000. No, I I saw their presentations. I just didn't know that we should be funding it fully. just because they asked, you know. Um, so I think the information is out there and we're educated on it, but it's a 500%

and I to see a 500% increase on the event are you, you know, it seems to it should be more incremental in my mind. That is that is the question in my mind is yes they're trying to grow it but they're not going to grow it 500% in a year they've been running on an absolute shoestring to this point. So yeah maybe we base it off of like we you know been giving them 10 instead of five and maybe we double it but

it's yeah it's worth discussing for sure. And if they're losing other funding partners because of their non-actions, I guess, right? Um, are we picking up that slack? True. So, I'll follow I would have gone a little further than um I don't I was just saying pretend we were operating on 10 double that. So, you know, this is just up for whatever you guys want to do obviously. So, um, if there's a consensus with you right now on what you want to move forward with to show in the December 3rd budget, we can still make changes on December 3rd. Um, let's say 20.

We can at least provide those for those conditions to be met before any types of funding. That's a must get 20. That's Yeah, radio.

Katy Souls online, if you didn't hear it, said she's okay with 20. Um, yeah. I mean, it's I guess it's just a question of do we think it's an economic driver and do we want to see it continue? You know, these guys aren't going to do that, keep doing this on a tiny tiny budget forever. Well, and that's part of the push of making them a 501c3. That opens more doors and more avenues and uh um hopefully they don't have to turn away from funding partners that are not eligible anymore or they're not eligible for any. Why are they not in 5013C yet? The process, it takes a while to get it done and you need to have an attorney help you and it can be kind of expensive.

My understanding is they've had the intent to do it. They intend to work with Megaland Dean to ensure that they've set up that correctly, but that has not happened yet. So, and she's willing to the lead sponsors. They're they're budgeting 25 right now with conditions is what Nick has told me. Well, we have conditions, too. They're not meeting them. So zero at this point in I mean the conditions are they come to us with what they're doing with it and they have not right well we can assign any conditions we want on the money like I would say they have to submit receipts if they want the money back their money back you know

and for us to fund them our auditor wants them to be legitimate right we can't just write a check correct kind of revenue generated to have uh I think the grant foundation said they have give or take $20,000 in the account that they're holding for them, but they can't give it to them because they're not a legitimate Oh, how much? They have some information and and I can I can go back and send out that those packet materials. Um but they have um two different presentations that they gave. There's some testimonials. I would venture to guess the volleyball tournament at the ball field generating and we didn't even know about it.

Yeah, they I knew about it because the people who threw the event came into the bar and were like, "Oh, you didn't know about it? We would have loved to throw our award ceremony here and D." And I'm like, "Well, next year." So, I got their number. But I didn't even know anything about the volleyball tournament till I was over. Request a partnership. Yeah, Brian. Yeah. your um honor, honorable mayor, Mr. You have one other thing that was um for me I felt like they would have had a lot more of a local presence if they had been able to publish a poster,

not a huge one, but the kind of standard size that we're seeing in the post office because locals did not know about it. And when I talked to them about it, a big part was they didn't have the money to do it and they, you know, are all about social media. But to really make it successful and get the people there, I think that there's a lot of locals that would have gone and participated. Are you talking about the volleyball know about it? Are you talking about volleyball or movies? I'm talking about movies, not volleyball. I'm talking back to our funding for Okay. Okay. the film festival. Okay. And personally, just because I I mean, it made me kind of crazy. Um,

it happens. Anyway, I'd almost like to see that in one of our commissions that we we pay for the um production of some posters, some marketing. Yeah. And include the Frasier logo on it. Yeah. Maybe one of the additions would be they have to spend $5,000 on marketing to get people to come to Frraasier for this event. I mean, the whole thing is in Frraasier, even though it's called Winter Park Film Festival. Everything but the award ceremony at Sunspot, I think. Shadow Mark of Frasier. Um, I don't know.

The Winter Park film festival in Frraasier, Colorado. I'm okay with 20. Grand Park that too advertises as Winter Park. Oh, yeah. We have our stuff in bridge. I mean, I'm having fun. We We kind of just are Grandpark anymore. I mean, I'm like stuck in the middle of two, you know, like I don't know how. Oh, you're you're in Frasier. But I mean, if they want to compete with a Ski Town, you know, film festival, they kind of have to you. No, that was I understand the logic to why. Yeah, that was my fault.

You know, I I think it's worth supporting. I think it it definitely needs some conditions. The aforementioned are absolutes um market if we want to steer how those are spent. Um I think that could happen. So why not take it out of your economic development uh funding line item in your budget and or that like the business enhancement grant? There's something in here for economic incentives or something like that that I'd like the dedicated economic incentive payments that we have to make to those. Oh, you're having to make those. Okay.

I think it's in special events right now. It is. Yeah. It's not It's noted in this too. I I think I said that. Yeah. Yeah. But it's in that special events under I think the general fund and uh Yeah. uh 1041864. So the conditions I have so far um 20,000 is a consensus. I think Mhm.

we will require them to uh ensure they establish 501c3 provide the 2024 report for how those funds that were given to that event were used. Um future report for and maybe just if it is reimburseable, they just provide the report before it's reimbursed. Um so provide a report of how the funds were used um before it's reimbursed and add the uh the Fraser logo to advertising. If you want to earmark some of that for marketing could whatever you want. Sure. I'm sure they have marketing just

I mean it we have testimonials that it benefits some of our businesses. Let's make it benefit all of them. So what 5K of the 20K? Yeah. Specific to marketing. 25% wherever. Yeah. Okay. Hard copy marketing included. Yeah. Not all social media. Yeah. Hard hard copy. I agree. Right.

Because they are the producers of social. So, Michael, I just question if if we're going to put the conditions on there, would we want to create some sort of contract or agreement with them um to approve those funds and bring that back for December 3rd? Um yeah, I mean that that's I've always seen the agreement will go with this. If it's appropriated, that agreement can come back to the board in the future before those funds are given. I think there's I don't think we're going to be able to finalize an agreement with these guys between now and December 3rd. It's just appropriating those funds that could be available based on the conditions of the agreement. Right. Well, and we want them to have a 501c3 before we get a contract together anyway. And that agreement can provision for all the different things you guys are ask. Yeah. Yeah. Step on it.

Get going. No. Okay.

Great. Anything more on the film festival, public or otherwise? Okay. Um, okay. I'll keep moving along. I know it's 8:23 right now, so I want to kind of keep her moving. Um, so currently we have one vacancy at the wastewater plant. Otherwise, we retained all staff and that is because of the retirement of Joe Fuka at the at the wastewater plant. Um, so we have a good candidate that we're hoping to fill that with here soon. Um, uh, based on cola and impacts for um, um, uh, healthcare healthcare coverage is going up 13 to 14%. So between cola and increases to help offset that, we're looking at a total uh increase of 4.3% increase for salaries for town staff. Um below that you have the IGAS between the public safety um entities which is the the police department uh and code enforcement, the building department, public transit uh water storage agreement that we have um um and grant beginnings agreement uh which is just a $4,500 provision that that can be folded into if the board does maintain the line item um for child care that that agreement could essentially go away if you would like to. Um and just uh just keep that a little more clean moving forward. Um all the fund reserve targets have been hit. Um we have met all the reserve targets for each fund um

between all these various funds that are shown here. And then it just kind of talks about the methodology that we use for our our how we do our budget. Uh the basis of accounting and the budgetary process, a verbal explanation of what each of the funds are. Um and then it talks more specifically about the government funds, the general fund and these various items that are um called shown in the budget for general funds, sales tax dollars, property tax dollars, various sources of revenue. and some of those do call out what the 2024 audited actuals were and how we did come up with some of these numbers for those projections. Um, and then the expenditures. So, it really breaks down all the different expenditures for each of the funds. But in the general fund, the other ones I would call out Frasier Winter Park Police Department, uh, they are budgeting 1.467 467 million um which is a 13% increase from the 2025 budget due to cost of living salary increases and uh the additional second code enforcement officer there. Um uh St. Louising is called out for the 2575 uh going towards plan investment fees, the construction of the road, sidewalks, and all the other infrastructure related to that road and uh a new bus stop, curb and gutter and related dirt work. Um Clayton Court and the utilities project again budget for 3 million. We've talked about this. um Frasier Housing Authority anticipating uh we've got a budget for 190,000 um or the bedroom we received 190,000 in revenues expected for 2025 um 230,000 expected with the bedroom free fees so on October 1st of this year

we did upgrade to the final last year uh for the cost of 350 per bedroom for STRs and that is in addition to the 150 $150 registration fee for each short-term rental each year. Um, we had the legal fees broken out there at 425. Uh, it's a little lower than the 2025 budget. Um, and uh, and our actuals, I think, are pretty low for legal fees this year because uh, of the delayed ruling from Judge Hoke, uh, which we're expecting here in the next few weeks. um other professional services for the maintenance and landscaping improvements that we've talked about for the lines ponds and that also includes $75,000 earmarked for the wayfinding project and we didn't need about that today with the town of Winter Park uh looking at doing all the design work for specs engineering and everything uh locations of various types of signage that we'll use on Highway 40 and on the Frasier River Trail. Um, and we'll have a a formal update once we have a joint meeting um here hopefully quarter 1 or quarter two with uh with their new town manager uh John Peacock. Facility improvements. I spoke about those already um back at town hall here for that ADA access to the bathrooms. street projects, $500,000, which will include concrete and asphalt work planned for Discovery Lane, Cousins Way, and Market Street in addition to some other areas of town as funds allow and as bids come in. Um, new transit center. Again, I did budget $15,000 just initially to kind of get our our hands in that a little bit and uh do some general improvements for short-term use if that's what the board wants to do. Um, but we will discuss that more following closing. Um everything else I think we've talked about um looking at 5,000 to clean up

some of the areas around the hta um and um Elk Creek that comes in by there. Um Mountain Man Park just looking to reconstruct one of the roofs there for the historic buildings, improve the lighting. We're still trying to move that along. Um and uh and as requested, there are some some items here for economic development. Um so we are talking about the various funds that we have for economic development which includes the business uh economic incentives program, the business enhancement program. Um the awards that were provided uh this year for the business enhancement grant program um and uh and the Fraser donor advice funds below that. Those are the the awards that went out this year uh for those nonprofits. Um I will have those donor advice funds um uh presents to the board for approval and discussion on at the next time board meeting on December 3rd. Uh talked about revenues for the restricted revenue fund which we're all very familiar with 16% increase over 2025 for transit services. Um and then just in detail about the debt service fund talking about how those different line items do work for um the bond issuance for St. Louis and for coops for the public works facilities. Um happy to answer any questions there. Um and then just the various funds, revenues, expenditures that are planned for, um these different funds, uh for the water fund, uh water rights diversion, development, uh Mary's pond embankment, there's a leak in Mary's pond that we're working to rectify and the anticipated cost for

that is just kind of earmarked for 200,000. Other capital projects incur include the furry critters, waterline looping for phase one, um new wells in Frraasier, um leak detection repairs, and then the new public works facility design for 150. Uh other capital purchase include new water meters as they continue changing out the old meters for the Metron smart meters. Uh wastewater fund showing the expected revenues and expenditures there. Um primary things funded for is uh the engineering fees uh system repair and maintenance uh for jetting video for the collection system. Um capital projects uh includes some INI inflow and infiltration repair work in Tarmaggan. Uh we'll be doing the $200,000 for more chemical grouting for the older sewer lines to help extend their useful life until they're able to be replaced. And then again from the wastewater fund 150 uh for new public works facilities design um plan increases we do have 550 thou 515,000 for the new filter under drains which again is anticipated for 100% reimbursement through the contractor that is uh in notice of of default. Um this kind of outlines the other fiduciary funds uh for the JFffF which we are fiduciary for um and capital improvements related to the plant specifically um and the uh different funds within the plant uh joint facilities fund. So, um, uh, treatment plan update general, we just got the draft permit this week. We'll be find that'll be coming more finite here in the next, uh, several weeks here. but replacing the UV system which it was

the last part of the treatment plants uh treatment process at the plant. If you recall your last hopeful tour to the plant uh it's just an ultraviolet cleaning required by the state that's being replaced because that has been falling apart on those wastewater treatment plant expenditures. We are a pro rata share of the total cost.

Yes. And it's based on the number of um uh residential equipment units, the EQRs um that are allocated but also in use. So uh we still have about 70% of our EQRs that have been allocated available for new development. Winter Park is about 91%. Uh part of these improvements that we're looking at is to bring the plant up to code, but also um look at options for expanding the plant now that we have the discharge permit requirements draft finally in hand. Um because you can't look at adding capacity unless you know all the different requirements are being met.

Yeah. And and for instance, like the uh drain replacements is 515. That's about 25% of the total cost because that's our prorish, right? Or you know, give or take. I think we're 28 or something. Sure. Yeah. I think and and I'm more asking just for public to understand that we're just a portion of those expenses.

Yep. And we have very healthy funds for the wastewater. um if if we did see the ability to to start a larger project, then we would bring that forward to the boards for approval. Um so just kind of providing a summary of where we're at um and uh looking to push forward these various initiatives and uh move forward with these town priorities as identified by the board. Any questions for that budget message?

Otherwise, I'll pass it to Lori. Budget. Um. Yeah. Yeah. I have a budget message is what we're on right now. Yeah, I understand. Okay. So, just a couple of things on on just the initiatives that you covered and it relates to the budget. Um, on daycare, um, I I think in yourou it should be required to be open six days a week. We've talked about this. Yeah. Um, I think uh I think Frasier should have a seat on their board.

You're giving them a lot of money and I'm concerned about the topheavy nature of that and the low pay of the teachers. I think the teachers should be paid more and I think there needs to be a stronger board uh overseeing that particularly with what y'all are contributing because you're giving them 250 grand in free rent. Um and then there's a 100 grand in cash on item 1041866. Mhm.

So that's 350 that you're giving to grandkids. Uh and then you're giving 250 to SLL with St. Louis Landing, right? which I realize is that's your housing thing. But I mean, in total, that project alone right now, if you keep up with those subsidies annually, that's $600,000 a year in subsidies out of our taxpayer money. And I don't know that that is I like six days a week. That's pretty justified idea. Yeah. Um we did talk about um we had a meeting earlier today where we talked about um the board and the fact that it's all educators that are on the board currently and so there's and the business

they have a huge weight list okay I think that's reflected in the tuition discussion as well commissioner said the tuition Megan Leine said the tu I think those outside of that education realm are open to the idea of modifying the tuition model where the interior is pretty hard fast against it adamantly against it. They need a business person in there making some recommendations to them in my opinion and I I think having a board seat you know you'll have perfect opportunity ask for that. The more conversations I have the more commonalities I hear on that front. Right. Yeah.

Um on St. landing. I know you didn't cover that a lot, my board,

but you you did mention Matt, etc. And you know, just a couple of things I see on the on in this budget under the town board, there's like 3.5 million to St. Louis. Then under the Frasier Housing Authority, there's another I think 4.5 million. And and we've talked about this before. In fact, we talked last year, the budget with Lori about segregating the St. landing project. So, it was clear because they basically were coding all of the money, the Frasier Housing Authority, not the St. Louis project. And that didn't happen. And here again, I'm looking at this and I'm I'm sitting here as a citizen going, how much money does the town of Frraasier have invested in this project today? And it's not clear. Do any of y'all know? So once you subtract what would have been awarded for grants um the development agreement is 2.9 million um for that contribution plus this 15-year subsidy for the 250,000 a year.

Mhm. Um so when you look at the 2026 budget and you look at the grant line items that come in um it nearly covers entirely that line item for St. Louis. Okay. So you're basically having the offset of the grant revenue up above offsetting your 4.5 going out to the Fraser Housing Authority roughly. Is that 4.5? Yeah. Under the Fraser Housing Authority. I think there's 4.5 million for St. Louis and then there So the the project will be managed through the housing authority. I understand. Yeah. They own it, don't they? They do own it. Yeah. So they they will they provide the oversight to the project unless it's ever handed off to a third party for management there.

Well, I understand. And so I think the Frraasier housing authority in here shows getting 4.5 million from the town and then under the town board category there's another 3.5 that's already been given and and my core question is okay net of grants how much money today is invested in this project by the town. The total allowed is 2.9. Okay. Okay. But when we're all said and done and we've have all the grant reimbursements, we will get that we will arrive at that 2.9. Okay. I think right now you're over that because

we're over that. But it these these these these grant requests typically are two quarters behind. Um and uh and these if you look at these last two quarters, we've had a lot of construction costs there. Um Okay. Yeah, but essentially once we once we settle up and all these different things and we go to consider the certificate of occupancy, we will get that 2 point we will arrive at that 2.9 number. Okay.

Um Clayton Court, we we talked about the last meeting. Um it was 5.85 million. Um we made a core request to the town of just what was I asked you to send it to me and you didn't. And so we made a core request to the town for that 5.85. We got a response that there was no breakdown of that 5.85. 85 uh and there there was nothing to give us. What's that? 4.4 is for the streetscape and then another 1.2 was for the uh uh utilities for the gas man and the three-phase power. But man, how long is plate and court? How many lineal feet? I don't know, Clark. I mean, ballpark it.

I'm not going to ballpark it. Probably I I'm just getting at guys. First of all, even $3 million on Clayton Court, I get the 1.2 in utilities with the electric and the gas and understand I deal with that, too. I think that's still very high. Um, but I'm also getting some high prices from the electric company in particular who is a co-op and we are all members. So, you got to sit there and wonder, are they actually passing all this stuff through at cost? um because I've you know I know what things cost and it that's definitely questionable today with their kind of new structure but regardless bids for that project which will be shown at the next meeting here for approval.

Okay. But you have streetscape I mean is there a design of the streetscape what it's going to look like that got bid out. Yeah, we're at 95% plans or 100% plans for and and and what happened with the fire? Nobody asked at the last meeting all approved $81,000 fire hydrant relocate that I think were just put in by phase this year, right? Brand new fire hydrants and we have Conroy for $81,000 moving them. So Paul, you want to explain why we're moving the fire? They had to be moved to accommodate Excel, of course.

So the original design, the town was not installing the gas and electric infrastructure. when we broke it up to accommodate the development, the board then decided to pay for the uh electric and gas and in coordination with Mount Barks and Excel. The only place that Excel would pl place their gas line was on the east side, which is where those brand new hydrants went in. And in order to get the clearance, we had to move them to uh the west side, midblock, and then around to um Clayton Avenue on the south side. And that was on the consent agenda. Uh, was that on consent last time? I think it was.

It was. Yeah, it was on the consent agenda at the last meeting. I was just curious what happened. I mean, so did Merrick mess that up? I mean, I I look at that and go, I guess it's a good thing that Garrett makes us get all the utility approvals in advance of us actually installing stuff cuz I've never had to relocate. Maybe he's looking out for you. I mean, that's for me, Garrett. Paul, how long did you negotiate with Excel on these different things? spent uh I don't know probably four months fighting Excel as you and I have discussed. I I'm dealing with them right now.

And so originally again the the original deep wet infrastructure was prior to the town agreeing to install utilities. Um, so that job was completed in the spring and then when negotiations came with Excel on where they needed their line prior us to putting out the final streetscape after rightway acquisition, we had to move the gas line.

We had talked to their attorneys. I mean, it's just been I'm dealing with it right now. I mean, they're asking for stuff that's not in their tariff, not in their agreements, and that the higher isn't being directed by the higherups and and really has no rationale. And so, we're we're we're headto-head with them dealing with exactly this issue that Paul dealt with and it's it's kind of nonsensical. They're actually one of the simplest utilities in the Gallow depth. Um, and they're asking for stuff that they're not entitled to. So, um, we can do without it and do propane tanks, you know. I mean, I don't have to have gas. So, I I don't think our code allows for propane tanks.

Yeah. And they're all buried. We bury them. Yeah, sure. You would know where mine are at my house. I have propane tanks. They're buried. Same thing as steamboat. They're buried. You know, I've I've done that a lot. So, Okay. Or we go full electric. What the heck? I mean, you know, join the club, you know, right? They're charging us for it. So, anyway, uh concrete in the village. You mentioned concrete. I just want to make sure we understood this was going to get done this year and I think the concrete budget was too short. Uh it's not just Market Street. I just want to clarify that. Paul and I have walked it. We walked it last year with Brad. Market Street Plus. Yeah. Everything.

Yeah. Because I mean there's, you know, stuff that's by the brand new hospital that we just put in and it got Anyway, there's there's more than I just want to be clear. You said Market Street. I think of that as just one block and there's a lot more than that. There's 13, 14y old curves now that are, you know, been pretty beat up by the town. Paul's walked it with you, right, Clark? Yeah. Yeah. You guys have an agreement what we're going to do as long Well, we had it for this year, but it didn't happen because y'all did the sidewalks in town and the money. So, I just want to make sure you have enough in that line item to actually effectuate it and just get it done. I think somebody did like 50 feet of one sidewalk or one curb this year. So, any case, uh, yeah, as long as it's in there, you know, we'll be happy. and we're looking at finishing up those buildings and doing a lot of

other improvements in that area and and we can't be faced with kind of, you know, poorl looking rights ofways. Um so, um on on this sheet, it's and I didn't hear you touch on it in your thing, but it looks like the 2025 revenues are lower than 2024. Is that accurate? Am I reading this red sheet correctly? 2024 is audited which includes like the sales tax for November and December which we get a huge chunk of sales tax come in for that time. So the audited financials will be really the telling statement Clark and we should have those available in I mean do do you think you're going to be equal to last year or

I mean what what what Lor's been showing on the treasures report looks like that we're right on pace and I think slightly above last year Lori. Um but uh uh again the the audit's really going to be telling the the true tale there again because we when we show sales tax numbers for the month it's the previous month's collection of the previous month's sales tax. Okay. Is it would it be possible to get this spreadsheet in Excel with the formulas? Is that something that we could get? Maybe it's a working document. So I mean

I mean I'm happy you send me questions Clark. I can if you email me what what questions you have. Well, I mean, I can sit here with my calculator on numbers, but I'm way better you just stick me on a spreadsheet and, you know, go. And I mean, we we similarly asked for the uh proforma for uh the housing authority and and what we got was an Excel numbers only summary sheet with all sheets removed, no unit matrix, no details, no nothing. And then we were told the formulas were proprietary or something.

But yet we have a firm that's being paid by the town, employed by the town. They don't have proprietary stuff. I can get the mad argument of, oh, I have propri I don't believe they do, but I mean formulas are formulas. But but regardless, you know, there was the lady that was here that was doing the she works for you all that's taking the math stuff and making sure it all works. I mean, could we get that data so we can kind of analyze We're consulting with our attorneys. We have things provision the agreement for proprietary information. I think this is getting off topic for agreement with MAD though or well but this is all budget related Michael. I'm trying to help analyze the budget and make sure that our town is being fiscally responsible

and we're paying Hill top securities for who's okay. But that's my point. She's got to have spreadsheets that aren't MAD's proprietary spreadsheets and y'all are paying them for them. Okay. With our taxpayer money that is public record. So, can we not get her spreadsheets? That that would be good. That's fine. We got to talk to our attorneys. We're not going to give anything that's proprietary information. Clark, I I don't know what the final

you're you're spending the most money that's ever been spent in the town of Frasier, this board. Okay. And no board members ask questions. You never ask questions. And it's concerning that you have a $45 million bond issuance approved. By the way, the housing authority is like, where was that published? uh in their meeting. I didn't see the an agenda on the housing authority meeting, but regardless, uh you got a $33.5 million coop for a public works facility and then you've got all this other stuff. You were spending a lot of money. No one's asking questions and I'm guessing none of y'all have gotten spreadsheets or actually sat through and gone through these numbers. It's like 110% blind trust to your manager. Okay, great. if you have that much financial but I think taxpayer

I think it's fair to say can can we get some data and some answers like if you've got a budget line item 5875 it's a big red flag when the town clerk gets back to a cor request and says sorry we don't have any data on what's in that 5875 was it just a random number picked out of the blue sky what is it come on I mean guys you're better than this I mean come on I mean really I know you don't run your business this way. I'm just fiscal responsibility and I don't see it in your budget outline that you just went through and I'm just asking some simple questions. I talked about the items that it is funding

all the infrastructure that's going in the road, everything else. Um, all right. That's all. Happy to answer any questions. Just shoot me an email, Clark, if you got further questions about the budget. I'm happy to respond to you. Did you when you were going through the list, Parnell Quinn again, when you were going through the list, I thought you said that you were going to increase the salaries of the employees of Frasier in the town at 13%. No, 4.3%. Okay. Thank you. We have insurance went up. The insurance went up 13 to 15%. That's what I heard. Thanks. I just want to clarify. Is that a call like public employee?

Yeah, it's it's CBT CMR. Um there's a lot of I've been seeing a lot of the different uh towns talking about these increases we're having with healthcare. It's just kind of nuts. Does the town cover 100% 70% of 100% for the employee and then I think 50% for their families. Yeah. So it's it's free for that but it's it's obviously expensive to charge. So uh those like relative your salaries it's a hu it's 25% of your salaries. I mean, we we just changed HR. I'm guess wondering part of it was driven by healthcare. I'm just wondering if there's better options.

We're constantly evaluating better options um for the for the scale of employees that we have and the benefits we try to provide. It's um it's a constant reevaluation process, but we typically, you know, I know Lori does a lot of work on that, but uh we keep uh for the for next year, we've seen that where we're at is is a good plan for for government agencies. You will see different things that are available for private businesses that are different than for local governments. So, um this is probably the most used health care program throughout the state for municipalities. Yeah, it's a big expense per employee. It is

bigger than private business intern, which you would think it would be the reverse, right? We would say. Yeah. Yeah. Um uh pending any further questions on the budget message, I'll hand it to Lori just to provide um a quick overview of uh of the budget for the Excel portion there. Go ahead, Lori.

I'm working on it. Stop it. Yeah, I know. It's looks different on my screen. Um, yeah, I tend to be mildly conservative when budgeting your uh revenues. I'd rather have it come in a little higher than being overly optimistic. Um, that way we look like we're trying to be responsible with what we're working with. Um, so nothing up here in the revenues uh changed. Uh basically the work that we've been doing um the new revenues uh should be catching up. Um as I mentioned we've made a round of uh grant uh reimbursement requests. Um, and after getting through some issues that Dola had because the grants have to go through their auditors, I was able to get quarter 2 grants funded and now we're trying to get quarter three. So hopefully the um well, not hopefully the grant funds will start rolling in that will offset the grant the uh St. Louising expenditures also the expenditures for the public works development uh planning uh development portion. Um the um we did some work on um getting um we've got the business enhancement program ready to go. Um, we have the

KFFR Grand Foundation. Those are all accounted for. Um, are there any questions under the town board section? 10 the 1041, the ones that start with 1041. That's the town board expenditures. Okay, I'll keep going. Uh down under administration. Um we didn't do a lot of changes. Um in the you know the upper section here we've added a line item. Uh, oh no, it was down further. We do have the 208 Eisenhower, the recently purchased, the newly purchase is going down under public works. Um, we've got, uh, you know, we've seen the, you know, the reductions in, um, 107 Eisenhower because we've got the renovations completed. uh we're getting and the town hall renovations are getting completed. So, a lot of those got reduced. um capital projects right here in 1045730. That's where we are anticipating uh that's for the uh exterior bathrooms and all the notes have all been updated to um reflect what we went through

to um when the board requested we cleaned up um capital projects. We had some that were kind of being intermixed because of, you know, just prior uh ways that other finance directors had carried them in the past, but now down in capital projects 1060730, um we work to clean that up. Sorry, I have to move the the screen's doing something weird here. I can't get it out of the way. There it goes. It was driving me crazy doing something lengthwise. So, now we have this Clayton Court streetscape utilities. Oh, sorry that went way too far. The Clayton Court streetscapes and the utilities are at 3 million. The public works facility design is 150,000 and the paved trail rebuild is being carried at 500,000 under the 1060730. Those were in um a different area and it just was not a good look. So all of the notes match professional services is Kumar soil testing and surveying and then the engineering fees. So any questions in there. Okay.

The transfers you will see um in the updated um actuals since the ordinance number 526s 2020 fine. This was the bridge loan that the board approved to the Frasier Housing Authorities. I am going to well I'm in the process of catching all of these um entries in Cassell so that when the auditors see this they will know that this occurred this year. So the $5.4 4 million is an actual and then that is also the year-end estimate because those funds have been um moved down to as a transfer into the Frasier Housing Authority. This will clean up and show the state not only when they see the audit because when they when we get audited as the town of Frraasier, the state also takes a look at the budget that goes with that audit. So, I'm showing them the actual expenditure um going to the Frasier Housing Authority. And at this time, the general fund revenue expenditure over revenue, this red number not too long ago was over 3 million. We had been cleaning up and pairing down a lot of the projects per the board's request and so we've reduced that. Um, and we will be working on all of those other funding options and depending on how things go, potentially more grants, as Michael mentioned, to help get the paving uh for

the bike uh trail, the paved bike trail on Highway 40. Um, there's the HTA, the Headwater Trails lease and annual agreement. Um we have some trail expenditure capital going on possibly. So restricted revenue again with the bus that is our issue this year because the bus did increase by 16% and um hopefully with the help from the county and other sources we'll be able to get that figured out.

Um well would you guys like to take a pause right now and look at the transit um and verify what approach you guys would like to use for for that. Uh right now we have the full budgeted costs to uh maintain uh these services. Um uh and then in the spring we can look to we'll be having a lot of conversations regarding various financing methods and um and then look to pre present options to the board before they renew their contract in July uh with transdev regarding service in Frasier. But um just want to open up for discussion to see if if you guys are supportive of maintaining that 1.489 489 or if you want to look at a different appropriation for next year.

I I do think it's disproportionate to our ridership. Um and my concern was that mostly for the Frasier River Trail or the Highway Side Trail. um that seemed to be the dollar amount we would need for 50% match for grants and that kind of stuff, but it seems like that's now out of the capital improvements. Um I this isn't sustainable. So something's got to be we we've got to start facing that fact.

And uh I mean county commissioner said it we're in the same boat. Um, and to just spend all of our reserves out of that fund, uh, is shortsighted. Yeah, I'm I'm with you, Adam. Um, I I think we kind of got hit with this a little late and now I don't know if there's much we can do for this year, but yeah, we just got to keep on exploring things because we can't we can't go beyond the 1% for more than more than this year. I think I know we have enough for probably next year, but I don't want to use it. But you can't exhaust that, right?

And and and I do agree that with the commissioner that the buses bring business to town, but they receive 4% of that as well. That that's not just us getting income, that's increasing their income. So, um you know, I think that argument was a wash.

Yeah. Um for for tonight um just want to try to just do for the board. Would you like to see us continuing to budget for 2026 the the amount that we have um the 1.489 or do you want to appropriate a lower amount? We'll definitely be having the conversation regarding uh different options in the spring um before that contract is renewed well in advance um this day. I think the reason that we kind of got a late go at this is because of the time that they spent negotiating this new contract with transdev. Uh Brian and I were informed about this October.

Yeah. A month ago. Um and uh and I I raised my concerns there. Yeah. Um and uh so um so what is the amount that's in alignment with our wrership? That 1.28. No, that's in line with what the 1% Okay. Taxes. Um, it's probably somewhere in between. Okay. I think it comes 1.2 comes close to what they're our ride of next year's projected budget. Okay.

Uh, I think we're still a little bit off, but but a lot less. I think right now 1.2 is at 22%. Our ridership, I believe, was 18%. and their request brings us up to 26%. Um, I'm happy to compromise a little, but I I think we need to keep some pressure on them to find other solutions and I'll I'll reook at the as well and see how that formula is calculated and if it does make more sense for us to push towards like ridership percentages, um, I think we can try to negotiate. I think that's a strong argument, you know, it's a it's a good metric to use. Um, you know, oh no, we don't want to stay at that 1.489. I guess is kind of well what I'm feeling.

I think there's a compromise somewhere in there. But but yeah, you know, we can't be on a path to exhaust in two years. Is the Is the 1% in the 4% in that? No, it's not. So we have 5% Clark. So we have 5% and then the 4%. The general fund shows the 4%. The 1% is in the restricted revenue fund. Okay. That's why it's like it's roughly what million. Yeah, it shows the uh the 2024 budget numbers. Lori, can you go to the left a little bit on that? You guys are already general cover.

Well, we have unassigned fund balance that benefited from it was like a 2022 operating grant they got that uh we basically received 500 and something thousand worth of services, but the operating grant covered like 400,000 of it. Um, so we're able to leverage that unassigned fund balance and roll that forward. So, you know, from the restricted revenue fund, we can absolutely pay for this next year. Um, but just moving forward, if I'm hearing correctly from the board, it sounds like you're okay with the 2026 revenues, but we need to renegotiate uh these terms and at least present options

um to the board for bringing that back within our allocation of new revenues um generated by that 1% sales tax, which for next year we just have projected at 1.2. Um can you scroll up a little bit for 2024 actuals, Lori? Yeah. We subsidize everybody's so a lot of winner the audited financials. Thank you. The audited financials for 2024 were 1.244 million. Um

we're expecting 2025 I think to to come in a little higher than that uh once the audit is completed. Um but uh we're just right now we're budgeting for 1.2 interest earnings. We have a cash balance of like 2 million that was shown there on the treasures report for the restricted revenue fund. Um but uh yeah, we have some some bandwidth to maintain these costs for a couple of years, but you know, we'll present options next spring to see how the board wants to move forward because again, you know, Adam, to your point, there are no options.

There's there's other options that are, you know, the ballot was approved with the understanding it's going to go towards trails, uh transit, and capital projects. So, um, leveraging this fund how it was intended to be, I think it's important. So, am I hearing correctly that you want to maintain the 1.489 for next year, but we will be renegotiating with them to look at because their their contract would I'd rather compromise a little bit and not not do the full amount, but this year for I mean somewhere in the middle between the 1.2 and the 1.489. Do we have to tell the tech how much we approved? So it's based on budget appropriations is how our IGA is laid out. Okay.

So if I'd almost say go pick them halfway halfway 38. Yeah. Is 138. Yeah. Something or 137 whatever. I mean honestly compromise we'll give a little bit but but to absorb. Yeah. The thing that I worry about is it that they might cut services if they Well, you know, it can come back then. What's that?

It it can come back and we can have another discussion um on the value of those services, I think. But I I think we need to keep pressure on them to uh look in a more sustainable manner, not just open our wallets. Sure. Yeah. I mean, I I don't like what Trans Dev has done, but yeah, I also don't want to lose service, but I I I see next year it goes up by another 200 and and the next there'll be 3% increases from that number for the players. So,

pressure on We can give it a shot. Yeah, I was freaking out. Yeah. Right. Um Yeah, if you guys want to do that. Mhm. So, we're looking at 50% between the 1.2 and uh halfway between 1.2 and 1.489. Yeah. Basically 1.38. Is that what that is? Mhm. I mean, yeah. It's just about 200 grand up. So, Okay. 1.385.

Yeah, that's an idea. Okay, Lori, continue please. And count that and we can project that in.

Correct. Let's see. Since our last review, the conservation trust fund um is the same, the capital equipment replacement fund. We hadn't um changed anything um except uh uh just note that we've started uh you know budgeting for future heavy equipment replacement um and also some vehicles. uh capital asset fund is going to be a very busy place with the um debt service depending on um this was for the public works the coops depending on the decision of the board um if we're going to go that route for financing or not this is all you know based on that um the and also the purchase of the um oh no sorry I am a little tired I've been in meetings all day um there's there's the purchase of 208 Eisenhower that already happened um 360 Railroad is um that's a tricky one. I'm going to have to revisit that one briefly. I could be uh getting back to you with an update on that because the purchase is now sort of, but we're going to finalize in um January. Um, but fortunately I'm in a conference where I can talk to a

lot of other professionals to help me uh make sure we do that because boy, that's just crossing. That's still going to I'm still going to consider that a 2025 expenditure, but I'm also going to reason that out with some um more experienced finance directors. Uh, nothing's really changed in the Kosen's ranch or inh boy I am tired. There's Yeah, except for, you know, the finishing of the bike park. All of this has not changed since the last review we did. um debt service fund has not changed. This is going to also be depending on decisions made by the board next year and the bonds that are happening that will be used to fund St. Louis. um water and wastewater. We did the um we do have the rendevous uh piff settlement accounted for and we have the the portion of the water fund for the coop payment the annual payment the lease lease payment that the water fund will contribute $100,000 and the wastewater fund will also be contributing the same amount.

So the current amount that we're showing for the coop payment which you know will be we'll bring a better justification when we go through that process but it's showing a twothirds payment from the general fund and then a one-third payment that's divided between the two enterprise funds for water and wastewater. Oh,

hold on. Okay, I'm going to No, further up. Dang it. I always go the wrong way. Sorry. Not rest. Come on. Where'd it go? Well, that's recorded in the debt service fund. Yep. That's included in the 601 transfer.

There it is. Sorry. 401 $41,600 from the general fund, 100,000 from wastewater, and 100,000 from uh the water fund. So, wastewater fund except for the um projects and the cleanup of the public works share of the funding for or the payment for the coops. Um, these are the same projects list that Michael listed earlier, the chemical grouting, uh, the public works design and the ionine and then Frasier Housing Authority. I will be honest to say that this fund when it was set up um was not complete and I've been working on completing that so that we can show clear uh movement of the funds. So we do have the transfer in from the general fund. This is also set up as um

the bridge loan.

Yeah, it's the bridge loan. Um, but this is also set up I had to do this on your It's set up as a liability too to show that the general fund is loaning uh the Frasier Housing Authority, but there's a liability. This is in your equity. the liability is from the Frasier Housing Authority to pay um the general fund back um again with the contracted agreement um that will take you know be done over time but that's set up. So the transfer in from the general fund is the revenue that we're using right now. And then down in 6040700, I do have $693,680 in construction costs. When I get back from the conference, I'll be spending time because I have to go through the invoices to um audit the amounts that were not eligible for grant reimbursement. So that number is going to uh before December 3rd and I will definitely uh let the board know um uh that number is going to increase which will actually bring the expenditures from St. Louis landing down. Those numbers are going to be uh smoothed not really smooth or I'm sorry that's the wrong term. Those numbers are going to change because I'm going to audit and I will reallocate the correct amounts down to 604700 that will be applicable to the

$5,400,000 loan. So, some updates will be coming, but that's about all that I'll be working on is making sure that I get that uh bridge loan accounted for correctly.

Any questions about the budget? I I have some questions on that particular subject if it's okay. Sure. So, Lori, uh it's Clark. Hi. How are you? Sorry you're tired. Yeah, hang in there. Um why is there's a separate budget for the housing authority, right? The Frasier Housing Authority. That's it. It's its own fund.

It's its own fund, right? So yeah, why are the expenditures for the bond principal St. Louis? It's 404811, 404812, and 404821 and 404822 bond interest. I believe that's in the town's expenditures, not in the housing authority service fund. It's in it's on your debt service fund under expenditures, but it's not the town's debt. It's the housing this is this is fund accounting. Um I understand it's not fund accounting. Um the debt service whenever the town is taking on debt, it's going to go through the debt service fund. as we go back. Let me

Whenever the town or the Frasier Housing Authority is taking, it has to go the if the town were to Okay, the town is going to take the coop for excuse me, possibly choose to do COP funding for the public works facility. Guess what's in the debt service fund? both of those because they're

but that that makes complete sense because that that is for a town facility but the Frasier Housing Authority is the one issuing bonds. They're the ones that held a public hearing to issue bonds and met last planning commission or last board meeting. They have their own fund. I don't believe in and the town is not responsible for the bonds associated with St. Louising that's been made abundantly clear time and time again. So I don't understand in fund accounting for the Frasier Housing Authority why the expenditures associated with the Frasier Housing Authorities's debt service on its project aren't in that fund. GASPA government accounting standards board has set forth um I'm sorry we were just reviewing that today um the accounting for debt um you'll notice that down here 404915 transfer to capital asset public works. It comes into the debt service fund. The transfer, whether I use all of the 33 million or not, we're anticipating that we're going to have 35% estimated completion through 2026. This transfer from debt service is going to the capital asset fund, which is the town capital asset fund. The next transfer down transfer to the Frasier Housing Authority as a separate fund from the 33 million that we are

anticipating for the bond. The 33 uh we anticipated a transfer 60% estimated completion in 2026 to be 16,697,460. So, I've shown through the debt service fund. Let's go up here. There's the 335 million bond pro or cop proceeds. Sorry, like I said, I'm looking at this very 40 3500.

Yeah, that one. There's the coop. This is the bond proceeds, but part of the bond proceeds go to the capitalized bond interest to pay some of the capitalized bond interest. And part of the bond also goes to um the uh debt service fund reserve which is actually an expenditure. This transfer to the debt service fund reserve is a reserve to be held in the debt service fund for the bonds. So basically when you're doing the debt service I'm showing where the revenue is coming from and then I'm also showing exactly which entity which other fund is going to be using the amounts. So for government funding per for per state state law, it has to come into the account. It has to come into your our budget somehow. It has to come through the debt service fund for it to come into account before it could be transferred to the Frasier Housing Authority. Once phase one is built and done, we we're not going to hold any more funds in our debt service fund. all going to be revenues and expenditures to the Fraser Housing Authority to account for rental income

and um and then paying those those payments uh to pay off the bonds. So um it's a like she said it's it's she's meeting the requirements for government accounting um principles uh which are required for these things. Anything that requires any cleanup, typically we're gonna have some some clean up or some items that maybe need to move around a little bit. That's what we go through the auditing process for, which they will finalize all that at that point. But this just allows the funds to come into the town budget before it can be transferred out to the housing authority.

I understand you understand my point that you've got a fund for Fraser Housing Authority and I don't know, it seems like to me it's an independent entity that's separate apart from the town. it own debt service fund in the Frasier Housing Authority and take the debt in directly to the Frasier Housing Authority and not funnel it through the town. It makes me very concerned to see debt service for those bonds on the town's budget. So that's all and and thanks Lori. I appreciate it. Sorry to drag you on.

I know these budget meetings are tough, guys. cuz I know everybody's tired, but it's hugely important and I actually really appreciate Clark digging into this stuff. Um, sure. We kind of we kind of live in it to some degree. You know, we've talked about all these projects. We've we kind of know the ins and outs, but explaining it on a budget is is different. And I know I don't ask a million questions because I've kind of gone through it and asked those questions, but having somebody from the public ask is is great. So, it's um yeah, I appreciate everybody who's worked on this. It's always helpful to have eyes on it

for sure. Um Okay. I just had a request that we can maintain a schedule on these items. I Oh, yeah. Yeah. Sorry. Budget budget always takes a while. Yeah, I know. I I I First help, but we are 30. Yep, fair enough. All right. Not everybody loves numbers as much as Clark and me. Oh, I've been banging my head against these numbers all. It's a big budget and there's a lot of big things in there. So, I get it. Okay. So, we don't need to make any action on this correct at this point because it's a draft.

You're just going to continue. It's a draft for continued review by the board. Um, and then prior to, you know, the final, well, I'll let Michael talk. I'm not making any sense. We've got notes. I've got all the notes for the budget. Uh, we'll make the changes like uh for the uh the transit services operation and maintenance line item. We will make that change and that'll be reflected in the next budget. um in addition to the 20,000 you know for uh the Winter Park Film Festival and um any of the notes that I have here. We need a motion to continue and and the cleanup of the expenditures for the Frasier Housing Authority.

So within the public hearing, you still have two more items to discuss. So you don't continue just right. So I would continue at the end of it, right? I would entertain a motion to continue the public hearing regarding the 2026 Town of Frraasier and Downtown Development Authority 2026 budgets to the December 3rd. Oh, we're not we have we're not through that part yet. Sorry, I'm getting ahead of myself. So, yeah, we're going to continue the public hearing after all all three items on this agenda. Correct. And then the the vehicle and sales rents. No, it we can act on that one, right?

Yeah. So, we'll continue the public hearing after this next item and then we'll reopen a public hearing, I think that. Okay. All right. Thank you, Lori.

I love So, now we're on to 2026 uh downtown Development Authority combined budget message and and budget. Sarah Tanzer, right? Mayor, Board of Trustees, Sarah Tanzerate, Assistant Town Manager and Interim Executive Director for the Downtown Development Authority. Um, if I can pull up the right document here. So, this is the I realize that's kind of hard to see, so I apologize. Um, this is the same budget for the downtown development authority that was presented as part of an update um at our last board meeting. So, there are no changes that have been made. Included in your packet is also the annual budget message to go with the the budget itself. Um I prepared an eloquent speech which I am prepared to forego due to the hour um and address any questions you may have. But um as I mentioned at the last board meeting, um the downtown development authority, I think they they definitely had a year of meeting with a lot of different stakeholders, weighing in on a lot of ongoing plans like the town comprehensive plan, the wayfinding plan. They met with Grand County Economic Development that's got um a resources and incubator project going on right now that they weighed in on. They also explored a lot of different um district enhancements that really for whatever reason just didn't make sense to move forward with at this time. So I think the board has been very engaged. I think they've been very thoughtful about trying to use their money well and making sure that what they move forward

with is in fact in line with the larger town's plans as well as their own plan of development for the downtown area. Um and definitely did not want to rush to spend money just to spend money. So, a lot of our money from last year's budget is rolling over into this year's budget. Um, which will allow them to perhaps make some more significant contributions towards projects. Um, we can revisit things like signage as the wayfinding planning moves forward. Um, they are looking at a few different initiatives for next year. One of them being a believe they're calling it a coming up conference series kind of focused on entrepreneurship, networking, wealth building, um things like that that people are pretty excited about. We're continuing to look at the railroad station area signage. um knowing that things were potentially in the works with that property. You know, they held off on some other possible enhancements, but have been very interested in doing work kind of around that railroad station area with that increase in station rail and kind of what people were saying earlier in relation to the discussion of acquiring that property of right now you come through on the train and there's there's just not a whole lot right there that's like welcome to Frraasier. This is a cool place. Um so that's definitely one area that they're looking at. I think as development possibilities come to be along Clayton Court, there's going to be a much larger role for the Downtown Development Authority in terms of helping some of that development along with the tax increment incentives that they can offer to developers. Um, so I'm happy to answer any questions about the budget message or the budget, but didn't want to kind of belabor points that were discussed at the last meeting. Any

questions, guys? Yeah, definitely. Cool. Great. Thank you very much. All right. Now, I will entertain a motion to continue the public hearing regarding the 2026 Town of Frasier and Downtown Development Authority 2026 budgets to the December 3rd, 2025 meeting. So, move. Second. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Okay. Um, all right. Now, we're going to uh I would entertain a motion to continue the public hearing from November No, we're good. Okay.

November 5th, 2025 regarding ordinance 529 amending chapter 19 to regulate vehicle sales and outdoor storage. This is Garrett to present. Thank you. Um, so yeah. Yes. All in favor? Okay. Covered all of it. All right, we're good. Everyone's a little brain dead.

All right. Uh, thank you, mayor and board Garrett Scott Town Planner. I'll try to keep this brief, but please feel free to interject with questions. The ordinance on the agenda this evening would amend chapter 19 to add regulations related to vehicle sales and outdoor storage. Uh so in recent years there has been a proliferation of unregulated vehicle sales and long-term vehicle storage on a few specific properties with high visibility from Highway 40. Town staff has also observed other more isolated uh similar incidents or occurrences on other properties generally within our business and Riverwalk zone districts. The police department is unable to adequately regulate this activity with our code as currently written which is why we are bringing this amendment forward which seeks to balance the needs of both property owners with broader goals of maintaining community character and reducing visual clutter. So, next I'd like to speak to what are our current regulations as it pertains to these items. So, within chapter 7, specifically articles 1 and two, uh there are regulations pertaining to nuisances. Sometimes staff refers to this as the town's nuisance ordinance. And within this section of our code, um, nuisances are defined to include things such as vehicles that are in a state of disassembly or disrepair or, um, vehicles that are unlicensed or unregistered. If you have more than one unlicensed or unregistered vehicle on your property, that's considered a nuisance and can therefore be abated uh, under our nuisance ordinance. However, this language creates exemptions where vehicles that are uh that are not in a state of disassembly or disrepair or vehicles that are licensed and registered uh would not be considered a nuisance if there's several of those vehicles on a property. Um, the definition of nuisance also includes

other things that could generally fall under outdoor storage, but these are things like um abandoned and discarded objects that clearly don't belong outside like appliances and mattresses and indoor furniture, things like accumulation of household garbage, etc. Um, so why is the town not tackling this through amending the nuisance ordinance? Why are we doing this through our land use code? And the reason for this is that there are legitimate uses that require long-term vehicle storage. For example, actual car dealerships, rental car facilities, companies that have shuttle services, delivery uh operations, vehicle towing operations, vehicle service and repair centers, etc. So, these uses are generally either allowed by right in our zone districts or required to have a conditional use permit. um and they should be viewed as separate and distinct from nuisances as it relates to vehicle storage. So that kind of establishes the why we are here. Um before I proceed further, this is a public hearing. This ordinance went to the planning commission in September and they recommended approval. The planning commission just provided one condition of approval that staff shall evaluate removing the words goods, material, and merchandise from the definition of outdoor storage. And I will touch on that later. Uh again, this is a public hearing. Public notice was provided as shown on the screen here. Uh originally scheduled for November 5th, two weeks ago. Uh but you all, the board continued that public hearing to today. So next I'll talk about what this ordinance does. It uh adds definitions in our land use code for these two terms heavy equipment and vehicles. Um vehicles are inclusive of the term heavy equipment. Um but heavy equipment you

know generally something like a construction um equipment or something using you know diesel engine farm equipment etc. uh vehicles more broad includes motorcycles, golf carts, boats, uh trailers, etc. This ordinance would also modify an existing definition that we have in our code. Outdoor storage is currently defined in our code. Uh the following changes are being proposed with this ordinance. First, the length of outdoor storage is being increased from 24 hours to 48 hours. This is because uh it matches the town of Winter Parks definition for outdoor storage areas. They have a 48 time 48 48 hour time period under that definition. And given that we share our police department with the town of Winter Park, it makes sense to have the same time period as them um for consistency and enforcement. The other thing that this ordinance does, it it um expands this definition to create exceptions for the following uses. licensed food trucks or other mobile vending units that have gone through that approval process through the town, those are not considered outdoor storage. Uh those businesses that need to store vehicles long-term that I mentioned previously, again, things like a rental car facility, uh a repair shop, uh and and things like that. And then it also notes that uh any storage of goods, material and merchandise that are clearly related to a permitted commercial use on the property are not considered outdoor storage. So the reason why we are adding these um exceptions with within the definition of outdoor storage is that it matches the town's current enforcement practices. When we discussed this with the planning commission, we went down a few specific examples of properties in town. I will

just mention the um Bear Dance Hot Tubs um off of County Road 72 that stores hot tubs outside their building and I think it is not the intention of staff to bring down the hammer on that sort of activity. That is not a problem that we are seeking to address with this ordinance. The planning commission and board could seek to add further regulations that would uh for example require screening or enclosure or things like that. But at this time, staff just frankly doesn't want to touch that. We are trying to deal with a separate issue. Are there any questions with that? Okay, I'll uh continue. So, another thing that this ordinance does is it adds uh what are called supplemental use uh regulations uh to outdoor storage as well as vehicle sales. So outdoor storage, it's currently a use in our um schedule of uses. Uh this brief table at the bottom here shows that it's a conditional use in the B business and riverwalk zones permitted in the trade industry zone. But we are adding some additional requirements and regulations on top of this that specify that residential properties are allowed one RV. Um, outdoor storage on commercial properties shouldn't be visible from a public street and any vehicles or heavy equipment that are placed into outdoor storage must be registered to the property owner. Um, and property owners can seek exceptions to these, but they are subject to approval of a conditional use permit, which is planning commission and board approval.

So the so if I have an RV on my property that's my parents, that's I I can't have that. No, you can. You are allowed. Residential properties are allowed in RV. Yes. But if it's not mine, not registered to me. Uh there is no language in the ordinance on registration of the RV on a reg residential property. Thought you just said that. No, it has to be registered but not to you. Yes, it says registered to the property owner. It has to be registered to the property owner. So that would be me. That's that's the only specific areas, right, Garrett? that I I will pull up the ordinance uh language to verify this but I believe that is specific. You didn't have an RB. I'm just asking. No, I I understand. Um

one of my concerns are there any cost assoc I don't think this requires a conditional use process. for kind of providing administrative approval. If if it is part of the actual business and how the the business license is approved, that's okay. There's no conditional use process for things like hot tubs at Bear Dance Spas, things of that nature. That's correct.

Um I will pull up the language of the ordinance here momentarily. So just so we're looking at the exact text of the ordinance because okay this the specifics matter. What was up on the slide was more of a generality. Okay.

So if we could look at item two right here and specifically the last sentence properties and residential zone districts may place a residential vehicle in outdoor storage and only one recreational recreational vehicle um at a time. It doesn't speak to registration of that recreational vehicle being, you know, that registered to the property owner. The more the focus, Katie, is on the commercial commercial properties. Okay. Yeah. So, I I recognize that item one does say any vehicles placed in outdoor storage must be registered to the owner of the property, right? However,

that's what I'm concerned about. Sure. We would interpret that as um you know paragraph 2 or item two supersedes that. So broadly speaking, vehicles that are in long-term outdoor storage on a property must be registered to the property owner. What about renters uh or a residential tenant who is named in a valid lease? That is uh in that statement as well. So So again, I think uh item two is kind of out of sleep, dude. Sorry.

No, you're good. Um, and then this is that third requirement related to nonresidential properties. Um, basically not being allowed to place anything into outdoor storage. Again, with those exceptions for businesses that need to store vehicles long term and business businesses that store their goods or merchandise outside and it's clearly related to that business, like the hot tub example. wondering about items that aren't margins thinking along. There's a lot of um I'm struggling to think of

the JL property. The distillery. No, no, the distillery. There's a lot of just stuff storage container, but then there's also like grills grills and liquid containers that are 500 gallons or so and stuff like that that I mean the the street side of that building is not but the alley side is very nice. So I I I did pull up street view. I understand what you're talking about. Um, again, this street view is a couple years old and I don't think I've driven down or walked down East personally in a while, but

I hate to as an example. Is it bad? It's we we can definitely backyard. We can definitely tighten it up and have um buildings Well, both I that's as if that's indoors and not public view on the street and that kind of stuff. So So again,

I guess I have I'm wondering how this applies a little bit longer than the view.

Yes. So again, there is exceptions created for anything that is clearly related to and incidental to that business use. Just looking at street view for this specific property, I I understand your point and that some of these things are not related to the operation of that business. and then therefore that falls under either unpermitted outdoor storage or depending on the degree and uh severity and and maybe the types of items out there that could be considered a nuisance. So I would rely on our our police department, our code enforcement officers to address that situation. Again,

we can address things like screening requirements that you want to have for certain businesses. We're we're really taking care of a I think a a large problem with this and what we can always fill down in there.

Um uh I just want to talk about one place uh chief you had a concern about but I think it's addressed here in the ordinance. Uh can you go to the top of uh or to the middle point of page what is this nine in the ordinance there Garrett? Yes. One second.

Where you define uh outdoor storage. Um so storage of vehicles of or parts thereof from towing operation repair parts, rental car operations and similar uses where frequent moving and long-term storage of vehicles is necessary as part of the operation you uh of the principal use. So you had talked about concerns about the Amtrak station. I think that's part of the operation of their typical use is the people parking there for a little while. Right. Right. Um because you had you had a concern about enforcement of that. So I think that's covered here. Um unless you you have any other concern.

You know, I I totally get the need for this. My concern is the unintended consequences that are going to come from this ordinance. I uh despite what Winter Parks Code says, I think 48 hours is far too short of a time period to be realistic with the citizens of our community. I think it should be something like 15 days because it's let me give you an example.

You have a friend that comes to your house. You guys decide to go on a camping trip for a couple weeks. technically he would be in violation by having a vehicle not registered to the homeowner for a period of of 14 days. That concerns me because I don't want to get involved in that drama. You mean 48 hours?

In 48 hours. Yes. So I I'm also concerned that that there will be encouragement for unequal enforcement of the law based on who you are and not what you have because you know we have we obviously know where the problems are. But I I do worry that this could create a situation where we are forced to deal with somebody who by and large is doing the right thing and because of a neighborhood complaint or something like that, we're forced to take action. And I think, you know, while we can encourage people to come to the town board to air grievances and request changes and that kind of thing, the people getting the negative publicity from that will be your local law enforcement officers. So those are my concerns, but I wholeheartedly agree with Garrett and he and I work together a lot on this that something needs to be done different than what it's being done today.

So shape your request is the 48 hours to move to 15 days. Yeah, I I think so. I mean, you know, 48 hours, you barely know a vehicle is there if it's 48 hours, but I do want to avoid a neighborhood problem growing into an enforcement issue. Yeah, it's understandable. And I think most rental leases have like guest visit clauses or stuff. So the enforcement 15 days could allow the enforcement to really focus on areas that really needs enforcement. I think so. I mean, we all know what the problem vehicles are. So

So it's not it. So, even if it's registered, you can't have it on your property. If there's more than one, isn't that it? Yeah. One vehicle. Yeah. And I I think the the additional thing Garrett makes sense with what he was saying about paragraph one versus paragraph 2, but just having been in court a lot, I I would think that our prosecutor is is going to look at those equally. And so there maybe needs to be some kind of an exemption in there for people like Katie who are storing a motor home or your parents come from out of town.

Uh you know, your parents come from out of town and and uh park their motor home on your property for for a little while. Um, I don't know how you do that, but I don't think the way it's written right now is going to make it easy to enforce for somebody just like Katie's situation. I mean, it's it's only well, I think the solution is a conditional use permit, which incurs costs and process and kind of stuff. Yeah, that's red tape. We want to avoid.

Yeah. But the only residential properties this applies to are those in visibility of Highway 40, Eisenhower, and Clayton Court. Correct. Everything else defaults to the nuisance code. So you have the ability to have if unless you're you have visibility from Eisenhower, Highway 40, or Clayton Court, you have the ability to have a a trailer and you also have the ability to have one unregistered uh vehicle or trailer on your property as well. Um, so it's really just tightening up the areas of high visibility. Um, anything else? And, um, and if you want, we can say, uh, Eisenhower Drive on one side of the tracks if you want to. Um, commercial districts versus the residential areas.

I I think, you know, I'm okay with the concept. I think there should be an easier way to validate somebody that has two vehicles that they're going to have for six months or something like that. It should be a registry condition. And you know, I think it seems like a lot of process and expense for having property for whatever reason. I mean during the summer I have four vehicles at my house. My drive. I drive. Yeah, but they're moving. The issue is

why why wouldn't it just be unregistered vehicles? I mean, Colorado has like the highest license plates in the country. 1,400 bucks a year to have my plates on. If I pay that, I should be able to park wherever I want to. On my own property, especially plated, it's on my property. That's fine. You're paying for it? I don't know. bus here. Yeah, but they're not going to park in the state of Colorado more than 15 days

and it's my property. I'll park my I know some of people that live there weeks, three weeks because they work their work. You can see their cars from technically. Yeah. I mean, I I've got cars that sit in my driveway for months at a time because the folks that work there all take one truck for work and they leave their car sit Yeah, this is great. I understand what you're trying to do and I like the idea. Yeah, lot everywhere. Yeah, I was excited at first, right?

Yeah. Could we just limit it to business and riverwalk districts? Although you guys are in like your your house is so right. What's considered a recreational vehicle? Four-wheeler. Oh yeah, that too. That's all defined in the code. It includes those different things. I can't in my front yard. I've got snowmobiles in my front yard. Only if you're in visibility of these these locations. Aren't you on Eisenhower? Yeah. I mean, you could remove Eisenhower from here if you wanted to.

Um, oh boy, this is a lot of changes at 10:00. A lot of changes. I I would just maybe interject. Staff would be happy to continue this public hearing and bring it back to suburb. Um, so the folks, this is addressed for residential properties and their vehicles. Yeah. Yeah. Or non-running vehicles. Exactly what I brought up at planning. Are you allowed to have one registered taken apart and disrepair? There's parts all over the yard. You can't have that happening within like area. I was really excited when it was because everything's registered pretty much except for like who really registers a trailer. I mean, all of them all of them, you know,

I do. All of them. All right. We we appreciate the efforts. Um but yeah, let's think about it some more. Sure. Yeah, you have more than one trailer though. They're not all. All right. So, I would motion to continue the public hearing uh regarding the um ordinance 529 amending chapter 19 to regulate vehicle sales and outdoor storage uh to the December 3rd, 2025 meeting. So moved. Second. All in favor?

So then we don't have to close the public hearing. What are we doing? Okay. So we just continued that. So we just continued all three. So now we can move on to updates. Frasier forward comprehensive plan. Good.

I'll just keep this very brief. Our draft of the comprehensive plan is now public. Uh you all should have received an email from me last week uh with that information, but it's here in the packet as well, as well as a link to a survey. Uh please read the plan at your leisure and either fill out that survey or email me or Allan directly. We're also happy to meet with any of you all to discuss the plan in detail. Uh we're taking public feedback on the plan through um December 19th and then we'll close it off and staff and our consultants will compile that feedback and make changes as needed before bringing it back for adoption early next year.

And I would just add it's really long. It does have a lot of pages with just pretty pictures, but it's 176 pages. Um and I think it is important that we we actually sit and read it. I've I've I've read about half of it at this point. Um, but we got some good feedback at the planning commission. Um, you know, kind of saying this is the this is the marketing pitch. This is the sales pitch for for Frasier. So, it should be just kind of adjusted accordingly. But, um, overall what I've read is is pretty good. So, just take notes as you're reading it. And

get a screen reader. Oh, man. I'll read it to you. You read it to him. It's adorable. Push you to sleep though. Any other updates? Bored? No. Staff. Oh, I went to the new retro cade. Oh, yeah. Arcade. Super cute. Fun. Although the owner smoked me at pinball, so he was a professional. Was not even close. Right. Uh, okay. I will move to. I move to adjurnn. Katie second. All in favor? Yay.

I post. Good night y'all. Good work. I am 58.