Heritage Commission - Regular Meeting

Hey, everyone online. Nice to see y'all.

Made a call to order.

If Sharon doesn't send a yay or nay, I ask if he wants you to start it. Okay. We can give two minutes. If responded in two, then, yes, that would be what

it is. I got you.

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Fresh from this morning.

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Yeah. There's a little bit of sugar on top. And just for everyone that's not physically in the room, we are giving Garner a few minutes to be able to come here to start eating. Otherwise, we'll have Stacy start off. For waiting.

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Okay.

Do you have thirty seconds, or are you ready to dive in?

I think we're ready. Yeah. Okay. Let's do it. Hi, everybody online. We got Eleanor and Bill and Devin. Yeah. Okay. All the orders. That's I figured it'd be

Alright.

Okay. Mind during no call.

Sure thing. Chair, Garner Miller.

Here.

Vice chair, Stacy Dix. Here. Eleanor Knight. Here. Gary Stedman.

Melissa Patrick? Here. Audrey Henley. Steven Becker? Here. And Bill Potter.

Here. Awesome.

K. Yeah. He's able to join us today. We don't have, like, almost a full group.

Almost a full group. Yeah. Yeah. Well, good to see everybody. Hopefully, everyone's staying warm. Okay. Approval of agenda. I'll give you all just a second. Read it. Any discussion? Questions? K. I think we can approve that by consensus. K. Approval of the minutes from the last.

Yeah. Those minutes be from October last time we've had a good business.

Yes. Is

there really been that? Yeah. Yeah. Give me the second to read the October new notes, which I have not read yet. Any comments, corrections?

Okay. I screwed up by consensus as well. Yeah. Thanks. Public comments. Do we have public comments?

Well, we've got we do have one in 10 people in our virtual room.

Do they need to call him?

I haven't received any note about the event, so we can I believe this person is with the jolt? So if it's Okay.

So they they're not on how's that work?

Oh, is just the attendees that are in webinar. So panelists are everyone with

their video showing. Oh, interesting. Yeah.

Never used that. Right.

Let's see.

Okay. Announcements. There

are some staff announcements.

Go for it.

Alright. So I guess we can start it off. Thank you very much for turning in your your stipend form and your w nine. I'll deliver these. And so I now turn to everyone. Please make sure that you return your information if you'd like to continue with the stipend for meetings. I believe that's due at the March, but earlier is better. So let me know if you've got questions. Also, general announcement right now, the heritage conversation session, which is also really interesting topics. It's 7AM on Wednesdays.

If anyone's interested in joining, email me, and I can send you the link on how to register for that. But highly recommended. I believe a presenter coming up would be Main Street for next week. Mhmm. And then it was just Washington Trust for Historic Preservation. So a lot of very fun things to Yeah.

Is pretty cool. Yeah. You wanna just send that out for you?

But Yeah. I can I can send that out?

Okay. It's easy to listen while you're drinking your morning coffee before work.

Yeah. That's all for sure. Hopefully, can just tune

in. Yeah.

And then I guess a fun announcement. So the previous historic preservation officer had applied for a grant with Thurston County for a historic preservation intern. And due to some, I guess, updates with staffing availability, some staff turnover, it was kind of a tough year in 2024. But I guess good news that I'm sharing with you all, we're we got an extension, and things look okay internally to be using the funds to support having additional staff time for a part timer to devote to historic preservation data management. So just fun stuff. We'll update our maps. Like, it'll be it'll be really nice. So Yay.

That's awesome.

Yeah. Congrats.

We'll have to meet this person at some

Yeah. I'll I'll invite them when it's all official and they're signed on. I'll see if they want to pop in and say hello.

Sounds good.

I guess some fun question for the group. So during the retreat, we took a photo, and I just wanted to ask the group, is anyone opposed to having that photo posted online with, I guess, members of the commission or where your names are? And then we can post a photo of all the group. Does anyone not want that?

Good. Thumbs up.

Okay. Sounds good.

It's a good photo.

Yes. It is. Good photo.

Cute. So I'll be sending that in to get added to the website. If you notice, the 2025 dates are on the website now, so you can go through and mark calendars. I think we are going to need to talk about November and December meeting dates and a date for the retreat at some point, but we don't need to do that right now. I think we can wait a little, see how the calendars play out.

Okay.

And then while I'm making those website updates, if anyone has any titles or additional fun letters to add to their name, let me know. If anyone's got cool credentials and you want to have them on the website, happy to add those there for you. And one last announcement, commissioner Cotter had requested some information about the Olympia music history project, and I did reach out to the group. And we are in conversation, but they're interested in, I guess, touching base, and I'm gonna see if they wanna join and maybe give a little presentation. But, yeah, they're they're excited that we reached out, and I've expressed the commission's interest in following up with

what they're doing.

That's That'd be great. Yeah.

An update from them.

Yeah. Let's say there there's a lot of lot invested in that. Yeah. So and the website, I think, is coming along pretty well. I don't know if everyone had a chance to see the the website.

They just gave you to, like, on the first or something. So

Yeah. It looks great.

Yeah. That's the end of the announcements that I had.

Alright. Anyone else have any announcements? No. Me either. Cool.

Cool. Projects. You're working on anything.

Yeah. Sure. Anything. I can

share one thing before we move on. At the retreat, we identified a need to try to understand, like, what funding opportunities might be available for the Heritage Commission. I've started to go through and try to identify different opportunities that we could potentially pursue at, like, a federal state and then, like, private organizational level. Haven't finished yet, but I'm trying to put together a document that could kind of neatly summarize what those opportunities are and the types of things that they could theoretically fund as well as, like, deadlines if they are available.

That's awesome.

And then can divvy up the work once you get those. Okay. Fantastic. Anybody else? Okay. Let's move on to business side. We're just gonna be the same. Applications for Heritage Commission. So Let's take a read. Is that gonna take a read on that?

I'll I'll let you both take a read, but I just wanted to let everyone know as the person helping prepare your packets, I did not feel comfortable putting personal information on the public website. So we had a chair and vice chair discussion looking at the applications, which is the normal way that, I guess, the selection process goes to recommend applicants up to the next stage of the process. But we've got some notes from our meeting that they've got, so I'll let one of them take it away to go over how they wanna

Oh, they need

No. This is the that's

Okay. I mean, we can kinda text him on this. But, yeah, we that that's that has been our process in the past. Doesn't always have to be that way in the future. But, yeah, the chair, vice chair, we met with Britney and looked at the applicants. There were four. I had a good robust discussion about them. And our job is essentially to recommend to the clips committee who we think would be good candidates. Ultimately, it's completely up to them. We actually don't have any say in. We get selected, unfortunately. But yeah. Based on oh, that was a ranking. Yeah. So based on and we don't get to know who they are.

Don't get to know their names. Everything's redacted. We just get to know their you know, what they basically have to answer the questions with their experience and interests. So we we essentially rank them in in order, and it'll it'll go there. Let's see.

We have one who has a lot of historic preservation experience both at the state and the city level. We had one who's has a construction background, which is interesting we thought. We I don't I don't recall having anyone with just like a a hard construction interest. Although, I think that person has more interest in the planning commission than heritage. So if we're the first choice, but

Before you dive into Yeah. More description too, one thing that we looked at on here too, and I find interesting too, is that the heritage commission, we do have some requirements on who's, what kind of backgrounds are on the commission and who we work with and stuff too. So I think when we opened applications, we really looked at diversity of their background, and what kind of interest they had and stuff too. So and like you were saying, they can rank us too. So they can you're asked.

You probably saw when you applied to that they can say that Heritage Commission is their third choice or their first choice too. So Yeah. But as we went through it too, we really looked at school skills and qualifications, what their background was, diversity of their background so that we weren't really duplicating what was already existing on the commission too with all of your wonderful backgrounds too. What else could be what else would be nice to have, like, the construction background? That might be interesting to have someone that kind of a background on here. So as opposed to something else. So sorry.

Yeah. No. That's a really good point. I think we well, I know I I won't speak to anybody. Yeah. Sorry. But but I was yeah. I kinda was really leaning towards trying to get a broad group of people with different backgrounds and interests. Because Stacy's right. There is a minimum requirement of having professionals, you know, associated with design and heritage preservation, but kinda feel like we've got that pretty well covered right now. So we were That

is for professionals. It was generally

Oh, sorry. This is what we were

Yeah.

On the website. I just pulled it.

Oh, oh, yeah. Okay. Thank you for doing Britney's doing background background research here. Yeah. So we're supposed to have representation in architecture, historic preservation, anthropology, history. What's that? Law. Oh, law. Sorry. Those are the the backgrounds that they encourage us to have on the committee.

So I think we're doing actually pretty well in terms of having the spaces. Not only people we have, but also somebody's out there. So we had a the I think the third person has college level education experience in grant writing and kind of involved in some history type stuff. I can't remember who the fourth one is.

It's a youth education and arts.

Oh, that's right. That was the art. Yeah. Focus on arts and and art education. Thanks. So all really good backgrounds, I think. So we've kinda ranked them more or less in order of let's see. 33 was the construction person was their top ranking. The art person was our second ranking. The college The professor. Professor Kind of grant writer person was our third, and the historic preservation background was our fourth. So sorry. We can't be more specific, but really don't know much more.

It's been like you said too. It it goes to the commission with our rankings. I think our top choices also didn't really rank us as their top choices, so they may get appointed somewhere else. We'll see. But, you know, across the board, the city will benefit from any of these people being a part of it. So

Ideally, they'll be two selected on this plan.

Now we'll have a full fully seated commission. Oh, Bill's got his hand raised.

Yeah. I was just gonna ask, do we sorry if I missed this. Do we know when we will find out, you know, the the outcome of of, like, the the city's efforts and and who will be joining the commission?

Good question, Britney.

So these applications are due to the clips committee at the February. And then at their February meeting, I believe they will go through the applications, invite folks to do the interviews. And so I guess, in a nutshell, in April, that's when folks will be officially sworn into their new roles. And I'm assuming that we would get a better idea of how things went in March or so. I don't have any specific dates yet, but between mid February and the March is the window where we'll we'll figure out who's looking for it.

Great. Thank you.

Okay. Any other questions on commission selection? Alright. Moving on to update on policy and ordinance work. Okay.

I'm gonna finish writing my note real quick, and then I will jump in. Okay. So this one will be a really quick, I guess, a an update to let everyone know that, tentatively, Thursday, January 30, from one to 2PM, the pub committee is gonna have a meeting. And, Eleanor, I believe you have not responded yet, but there's a out there. If you wanna respond to that, I can send out an invite.

Or if you know that that time slot could work, that could be our time slot. But next week, we'll be able to meet and go over general a game plan for the updates to the bylaws and the historic preservation ordinance. I do have an update as far as guidance from DAP. So I've I have been speaking with Michelle, and we've gotten to a point where things are able to move forward. I think having DAP and their legal counsel and recommendations kind of formalized, I'm initiating on our end some I think you I'm not sure what the specific protocol is, but I know that, I guess, if it's legal to legal, we've gotta organize the conversation to happen formally.

But we are anticipating hearing back on, I guess, the state's interpretation of the general national versus local discussion that we've been having. So it's in the works, and I think that the POV meeting will be good for us to kind of identify places in code where that might require some changes, and then we'll go from there for that. And then, also, I know that I had spoken to everyone about the comprehensive plan updates that are ongoing. In February, that is when we are going to be hearing from David with our long range planning group for the land use portion of the comprehensive plan. So in the POG meeting, I'll also pull out, I guess, the list of code that applies to historic preservation so that everyone can sort of see and review ahead of time.

If anyone who's not on the POG committee is interested in joining the conversation, send me an email, and I can include you on the invite. I believe if there's the quorum gets complicated, but if there's additional members that aren't on the committee that choose to join the meeting, just let me know in advance because it'll need to get noticed as a formal full heritage commission meeting even though it's POW work. So I guess those are the general updates there. Does anyone have any questions or requests at this point?

There's only requests, and I'm gonna try to join that meeting if I can. But I think it'd be really good as the pod group starts getting into the stuff of you guys can kinda build a long term schedule for Mhmm. Making milestones along the way. And how that coincides with the planning commission's work, I have no idea, but maybe we'll know more by by then.

And I think that's also a good topic to keep in mind for the the work plan update queue. Oh, I've gotten annotated. Nice. But noted able to make a long term schedule to go over the full scope of code updates out of that meeting.

Okay. And remind us who else on the project. Exactly. Who's on which committee? So

Oh, let's see. I don't wanna see the wrong names and accidentally put someone on

the spot here. Not it.

I am.

I think you are also on there. Everyone that had the digital poll. And so the last person, I think, is Gary.

Must be Gary. Yeah.

Yeah. Yep. Those are the

four. Okay. Perfect. Awesome. Thanks.

Okay. We're ready to move on to the work plan. All of our fruits of every treat labor. Okay.

I'm gonna share my screen to go this discussion.

What standard is that? Oh,

what? So every agenda that we publish, there's a staff report that I guess maybe doesn't get no. Actually, they are they are. Yeah.

Yep. Can

think of that. Yeah.

Okay. Is this showing up at an okay enough size for everyone to sort of see the parts of it? Nope. Okay. So this will be a discussion on the work plan.

The formal work plan is due to the city council in March mid March. And so we're gonna have this discussion, and then we can vote on the finalized work plan and general schedule in the February meeting. So after we're done here, happy to email this version out if this is where the discussion ends us. And then just as a general note, we are also going to be going to the annual cycle of revisiting committees. So if you happen to be interested in a different committee and you want to switch or be added to a new one, keep that in mind, and then that'll happen in April formally when the new members join, but we can also discuss that.

So if you see work that looks interesting, let us know. So I went through, and I did some strikes changes. So you can see what used to be there, and you can see some staff recommendations that I've made. Based on our initial discussions, I had proposed to remove this was that survey group because it has been merged with the review and permitting section, which is the heritage review group here. So removing survey and designation because it's merged with heritage review, and then I've moved each of these into different buckets depending.

As far as the marketing and outreach committee, so things we already knew heritage month, recognition awards, I moved this over to explore and encourage incentives because I think the info session series that's been proposed could be a great way to tie that all together. And then I also moved the build trust with owners, developers, contractors, and community over because if this is gonna be the outreach group, community engagement seems like a big priority there.

And I think that'll tie in with the series as well too because as we disseminate information, we're gonna need people from the community that have that knowledge that we can share. So maybe they can be guest speakers or, for sure, yeah, provide information. Mhmm. So

then the next group here, I think this is the all committees, so the general responsibilities of the full group. Arch, which is arts and heritage or arts, heritage, and culture as a general intersection between various topics that the city works on. So I think that the potential table at Arts Walk, if that's something that the group is interested in pursuing, that could be a great way to pull that. And then I think also just building relationships with different existing organizations, businesses, communities, groups, all of that. As a steward of the Heritage Commission, I think these are great things to keep in mind as you're going to events individually and representing the commission potentially, and then special programs and tabling things.

The next one here is the policy ordinance and guidance group. And so I had a question. I remember when we first started, and the topic of DEI in the specific work plan goals came up. And I think the new group because that was something added in by the previous cohort.

It was.

But the new group felt like we wanted more education and experience to handle the topic appropriately. So my little comment here just sort of says, if we're going to keep this in, is this something that we would want to propose to apply for a grant to find a professional so that we could have some sort of, you know, education? Maybe that's a workshop series, or maybe that's just an education for the commission that could be open to the public. I don't know. But if we keep that in there, something to keep in mind.

And then the other two that were already there, development of the heritage commission, so things like planning the retreat and then research and interpretation, which I had moved over. And then finally, the heritage review committee, this is the same that it's been, except we've added in listings. So this group already does guidance on permits, guidance for homeowners, contractors for design, special tax valuation, and then the individual listings and district listings. I've moved that so that when the commission is exploring new districts or new listings or approaching folks for properties that should be considered for you know, you want to encourage them to apply, that would be part of that heritage committee. So I I know we've been calling it, like, the built environment committee.

I guess I'm fairly neutral, but the heritage review committee specifically is mentioned in our municipal code. So I was hesitant to change the name just because it's already referenced in a bunch of places. Yeah. You're right. But if if anyone feels very strongly, we can add that to the code updates. I'm happy to pursue an update to the name. But

I'm okay. I I wouldn't mind

pursuing it. Pursuing a change?

Yeah. I wouldn't

say one has any objections to it, I think

Any I

think the committee's role's evolving. I think

we get to recognize that.

But I don't know how much work that is either to actually make it happen.

We'll talk about it at pog. Exactly.

Is there any chance that that committee would do any type of listing that's not specifically something that's built?

Yeah. Yeah. All the

time, actually.

So then maybe that's a four keeping it as a heritage review because heritage, like we've learned, and our retreat can be so many different things. It's not just the built environment. And we let's work to change it.

That's the good point.

Okay. Now we got

a big topic. Tangible and intangible. Oh. That's confused everybody.

Does anyone online have any opinion or

Can you not purchase? Yeah. Yeah.

Preservation. Well, I was just thinking about your remember your, you're talking about the loop for the horses to be tied up to?

Mhmm. It's

kinda built, but kinda just just kinda cool.

But, like, we've we've, you know, we've done work with, say, a business specifically. Like, I can start a business account, which isn't built. And

you do just preservation? Maybe. Around that word?

Preservation something.

Okay. I should just fill out the. But

I don't know.

Let's get, yeah, let's give this some thought over the next. Okay.

I still like heritage because it's all encompassing.

Oh, this is the most diverse opinions we've had with the group. We can actually, like, have a

a formal discussion about when we've got, legit suggestions. Oh, and we have a whiteboard? Very exciting.

Get some Robert's rules going.

Okay. Let's turn to let's turn to the agenda.

Brittany, like Everybody everybody

come up there.

Everybody has to have a paper mache and a

sample. Let's say something about

historic businesses. When I was executive director of the California Historical Society, we recognized historic businesses. Now they usually had a building, but sometimes it wasn't the original building. It might be somewhere else. Exactly. But, we had similar criteria to to, being on the national register fifty years and that kind of thing. And it really would boost their profile a little bit and make them feel good about who they were and what they were doing. So Yeah. For sure. That could be a whole new program or something. I don't know if you've been doing that before or not.

We've done it. Well, I don't know that we've formally, like, recognized them and sent we've given them awards and recognized them. I don't think we would be, like Award the non register. Like, a

list of Yeah. Olympia Historic Businesses or something. But that's really interesting. Yeah. Raise our problem too. Appreciate it.

I'll add that to the pub discussion when we are looking at grammar criteria.

Okay. I like I like Britney's idea. People come next meeting with ideas for how to rename this committee. That could be fun. Humorous submissions will be

ranked highly. Extra points for ones that have funny acronyms. Yeah. Exactly. But appropriate. Appropriate. Yeah. True. Funny.

But for now for now, we'll keep it as heritage.

I've made I've made the notes.

Okay.

So, wait, I guess, before we move on to the flip side of the work plan, does anyone have any comments or questions about the proposed movements and changes that I've got so far for this study?

I have one. I mean, these two lists are coming.

Yes. There's a lot of updates on that too. It's

I was just wondering about the tabling one.

Mhmm.

Because historically, I think the marketing and outreach committee has sort of taken the lead things like that, tabling kind of stuff. Not that it has to be that way. But

But, I mean, you should feel free if you ask.

Yeah. Anybody can do it, but I'm just wondering.

Yeah. I think that that makes sense to in fact, it looks like I might have moved that.

We'll just That should be under the all of them. Right? The tabling? Because they're like could be an option for everyone even if

Oh, the yeah. I think it would be. I think it's more like who's sort of

Taking the lead to plan it versus who's participating in

it. Yeah.

Okay. I think my mindset was that everyone could participate, but planning, that makes sense. So I

My mind's thinking plan.

Let's see. I got you, darn. I rejected the change and brought it back to where

it was. So it would just be something like if if somebody from one of the other committees wants has a proposal for something they wanna present at a table, they could come to us. Mhmm. And then we would coordinate it. Okay. That makes sense.

Usually yeah. Because usually, tabling occurs around some of the the we're doing some marketing at or each other.

It's part of the planning process to promote that everybody is participating.

Right. It's a

lot of peas. K. I'm really digging this black and white shirt.

Okay. Thanks.

It's pretty. I've gone with great flowers on it too. Seemed more interesting, I think.

Yeah. Next time.

Does anyone I the diversity, equity, and inclusion, I think your thoughts are are good about that. I think what we were hearing before was not working necessarily super well, but I don't have any thoughts about it necessarily at this point. So I don't know if anybody else does.

Are we talking about it in relation to being sensitive as a group amongst ourselves or sensitive to the greater whole?

It's listed in the policy ordinance and guidance Okay. Which to me implies that it would be a topic to consider when reviewing code and the comprehensive plan and looking at policies. But I do think it's also important to keep in mind for the day to day, like, I guess on all scales, but this specifically is in the policy section.

So that we're in alignment with city and other things and potential training opportunities and things like that too.

Mhmm. Mhmm.

Whereas, you know, of course,

the EI focus would be inherent in the work we do, but here, it'd thoughtfully planned out again.

And, also, I guess, it could be now I'm second guessing myself. It does say development of the Heritage Commission is the next bullet point, so maybe it is also for a little bit of both.

Personal events. Yeah. That's what I was gonna ask. Is it personal or is it is it community? But I

agree with that.

I also think too as far as community, I mean, I don't I'm not familiar enough with the policy to know for sure, but are we reaching out to, tribal communities or or anything like that? Because I know that's, you know, some of the

It's on our work plan. Oh, is it? But I mean, You're you're

But I

mean, are we? Is it is it, like, something that we actually do?

The Heritage Commission has any ongoing conversations with other community groups. But I think that with, I guess, all of the new folks with different capacity of interests, that would be something I would definitely be able to help support and facilitate. So Yeah.

When we talked about that in the retreat, trying to forge Yeah. Better relationships and and go to their meeting.

I just wasn't sure if it was, like, one of the, like, check. We you know what I mean? Check. We did that.

No. Yeah. We're Okay. I think a lot of these things I'll also say, I think the work plan and goals, the impression that I got was that after a little bit, things kind of fell off for some priorities and a lot of it for the technical runnings of the commission continued. But, there might be things on the work plan that haven't been done in a little bit that we should pick back up now.

Yeah. I'm just thinking as far as, like, if we are thinking about getting the the tribal community involved in whatever capacity that maybe we try to think that through holistically, and then we can come to them with a you know what I mean? Like Yeah. I think more than one thing.

I think what you're saying too because, like, this is a high level overview of the work plan. This is the page that does what we're actually doing. So we can leave DEI there, but it doesn't mean that we can exclude it from the more committee. Right. Put something in there saying we're working on this project to encourage internal relations, etcetera. Yeah. So that because like I said, I always find DEI work to be more inherent in the work we do. It should be informative at every aspect of what we do. And I'm glad that it's called out in POG because I can see how it needs to align with city practices too that we're making sure that we got that focus and use that as a planning tool to embrace it for the rest of us as well for the rest of the work we do. So I think it lives there, but it can be inherent in the rest of the work we do in the description down below.

I just know that when I studied cultural resource management that, like, the first thing that the federal government has to do is

Yeah. Talk to

the native people about what they're gonna do because it could be sacred or you know? Mhmm. Hey, Gary.

Hey. What? You made it. I made it. Excellent. Welcome.

Well, now we're we're we're all here. I know.

Another thing you said. Yeah.

Because, like, one of the things we, in the past, were trying to do was try to understand DEI in terms of, like, specific specification. Mhmm. Like, for instance, you know, if you make a decision to list a property, how does that affect other cultures, or does it or, you know, how does it that that kind of thing. And we never really got past the discussion point of that. So for instance, like, if we were listing something on Bud Inlet, but it had, you know, that implication of what we were doing. And we're oblivious to that.

Yeah. So Yeah. That's why I was saying, like, if we had a contact

Right. Exactly.

With somebody either local or that's with a local tribe, then we could have that relationship and come to them with, like, a bucket of questions or things, and then it wouldn't be so one off.

Well, the tribe will have a historic preservation office. Mhmm. We know that. Yes.

So as a not as the liaison, but in my other staff duties, I do chat with different cultural resource departments for different tribes. And so when I guess when that conversation wants to come up, I'm happy to make those connections and or yeah. I guess, yes, I can help you with that. But, yeah, it's important.

That'd great.

I think I I have a I have a question related to that, and, Brittany, you might have just answered it. But in my understanding is that at a certain point, this could rise to the level of, like, an intergovernmental conversation. And I don't as heritage commissioners, are we allowed to engage in a conversation with, like, representatives of a tribal government, or does that need to be somebody from the city that does that?

Brittany, ask them.

I'll look up the formal answer for you, but my feeling is that if there was collaboration for a large project, we would likely want to make sure that the commission is getting the okay from the council and the full, like, buy off from the larger group because this is a a advisory committee to city council. But as far as reaching out for I don't know what the word is. I'm blanking on the word here. Reaching out for guidance or asking questions about, like, guidance, I guess, was my word. I think that should be okay.

But if this is a potential project that's upcoming, then that's probably when we would want to Mhmm. Vote to, you know, have the city council represent, like, a formal movement. But, yeah, that's a great question. So I'll ask about it, and I'll I'll get a real answer for you.

I had a question to got back to the makeup of the commission itself. Are we allowed to recruit people to join the commission as commissioners? Can we go out and say, we need you. Please apply. Mhmm. That's okay. Yeah. Yeah. Because that would be one way to get diversity right around the table. You

know? Got anyone in mind?

No. It's I need your next. You got some you got some. You know, there's ways to do that. Oh, yeah.

You know? And as as part of that also, a, I think relationship building and if you're taking part in things in the community and representing hair representing the heritage commission, I think it's I'll have to double check on this policy as well, but inviting folks to be volunteers on a committee. So maybe not heritage review because that's a formal advising of the group. But if there's an event that's being planned and someone from the community is wanting to be a volunteer Yeah. I think that should be okay.

So that could also be another way to get folks involved that even if they aren't able to be a commissioner in this round, they can still do good work with us. Mhmm. Great questions. Any

other comments on the forward strategies up there? K. Are we feeling good about it? We can come back to it too because the next sheet could inform.

The next sheet is a bunch of markups as well. So I've removed the music history project because that project is moved into its own entity. But keeping heritage month in here and also adding the workshop series. And then I know we had mentioned some sort of a summertime outdoor event that might be a picnic as a way to invite community members and also new commissioners and also to get to know each other. So I put that in there because it was something from our retreat notice.

And I put some question marks next to the budget because if, formally, you'd like me to pursue a budget and you'd like to request that, I'm happy to bring that forward. I well,

we can potluck.

I think it's probably a potluck thing.

I mean,

we will eat. It never hurts to try to cut there. There's no again.

I mean, yeah.

A catered a cat.

Yeah. That's what's amazing. Yeah.

Okay. Tents in a bounce house.

I

would just like a table and a chair. Don't have to sit I don't wanna sit on the grass. It's

You're right.

I will see what could be reasonable, and I will include that when I send this out for your reference. And

if we bill it as an outreach component to it, I don't if that'll make a difference. But yeah. Rather than just having fun enough.

I mean, there's some cool places that have outdoor seating. Like, seems like the Oyster house has a lot of outdoor seating or something. Like, maybe I've seen weddings there. Maybe we could reserve some space there and then, like, have a sign to welcome the public to join us or panel.

Yeah. There's all the parks too. Rosemary.

Rosemary. Yeah. Crystal Anne. Yeah.

I was just thinking, like, somebody that had food too. Okay. I

I personally really like the idea of renting the the sunken garden on the capital Campus. Yeah. It's so pretty. But we can have this discussion for specific locations later. But if we wanna leave that as a item in the work plan, I'm definitely happy to request more information on if we could have a budget for that. Yeah. That would be nice,

especially if it's something we're inviting the public to. We don't wanna see ranking.

I don't know if the deal is on reserving that space if you have to pay for it or not.

I think I looked it up, and the reservation itself is free. It's just a reservation. But if you want to rent table and chairs, there's cost to the equipment. Eleanor, would you happen to have any insight on that? Or if not, that's totally okay. Don't mean to put you on the spot.

No. That's fine. I'll I can definitely look into it.

Thank you. Appreciate that.

Yeah. I don't have anything off

the top

of my head. So

Yeah. No worries. We're gonna have to we need to Photoshop Eleanor into the picture.

I know. Do you have a a picture that you'd like to have on the website that we can include with Yeah. The rest of the group photo?

Maybe. Not on hand. Yeah. Sorry. I've been I've been sick for, like, two months. It's just been nonstop. So that's why I'm not there again. I'm still, like I had the flu two weeks ago, the cough has not gone away. So but, yeah, picture. And

yeah.

I will send you an email so that there's a thing in your inbox to remind you a bit later. Mhmm. And sorry you've been sick for so long.

Oh my gosh. It's nonstop. Can you also, if you wouldn't mind, a little you know what? I'll just I'll send you a message. That's fine.

Okay. And does the marketing and outreach committee have any questions, comments, concerns, wish lists for this section of the work plan?

I'm trying to remember. Where did we discuss as far as heritage awards go?

No. I don't don't link it up.

I myself. You looked at the digitized notes from our retreat I'll work. I'll look at the notes. Heritage awards and topic ideas. Oh, let's

do that.

We have this list here of cultural organizations, labor, history, heritage, maybe no theme, artists engaged in historical or cultural work, and community partnerships. So those were the things written on the big piece of paper. And then I my little side note, I think we landed on community partners and other historic organizations in the community as groups we wanted to focus on, but that hasn't been formally voted on or decided. It's still got room.

Do we have it as an activity?

Heritage month and awards. So it's

Oh, okay.

Part of the month.

Part of the month. Okay. That's probably okay.

Do you want to add detail to I think general is maybe better

with these types of No. I think that's up to marketing and outreach. So the assumption here is

we'll be part of heritage. But if that changes, it changes what we've been.

I I just wanna make sure it's

captured. That is? Yes.

Trying to think of the phrasing. So my branches don't work anymore, because we've talked about got the picnic on there. Just our talk, other opportunities beyond the community arts and heritage week. That stuff, I think, before has been on here too. So I don't know if that's something that's aspirational for 2026 or not.

That's just something to think of some more more outreach. Yeah. Some of

that kind of outreach. Or community engagement event or

Community engagement could work. Yeah.

Okay.

That could be a question too for the outreach committee talk about. Yeah. Let's just It's just some of those community engagement events that we wanna So because it's based off the notes from the the tweet in the calendar here.

Community engagement events, we'll we'll say, for example, we don't know what's, like, arts walk, arts and heritage. When and did you have any other specifics that you wanted to No. Those are the

two that I'm seeing off of our notes from the calendar here and and stuff too. Because as we talk about doing potential outreach and stuff, we don't need to create events because they're already happening. Mhmm. So what's happening in the community that we can partner with?

Mhmm. Mhmm.

And I think even if if for ArtsWalk, if we have a table that has information about the maintenance series, like, even if we don't have an actual presentation there, we can still have information, like, the information that you had at the historic home tours and just different things like that.

Things to get to know us and stuff. Yeah. Exactly. That's that's all I'm

Yeah. I think that's especially I just as far as the actual maintenance series, I feel like that might be something that's more it it's either indoors or on-site at a historic property. Another thing that I think could be a good thing for community outreach and maybe even during the arts walk is some of the the the historic tours that already already created the brochures and stuff. Mhmm. Like, maybe we could have a table and have the brochures, and maybe one of us could even walk and do the tour, the ones that are downtown anyway. Yeah.

Very campus.

Yeah. Actually. Yeah.

Walking tours. Mhmm.

Because I haven't done any of them yet, but I always look at them. This is cool. This is and now I'm always like, and it's 30 something degrees outside right now, but, you know, it's gonna be nice when it's art walks at times.

So Mhmm.

And there are groups that do their own walking tours that coincide with sites that you'd be interested in. So, yeah, that's a good idea. I've updated the line item to read community engagement and partnerships. So I might rethink how to phrase this, but the general idea of going to existing events and having a very special presence there. Yes. Yeah.

Thank you for capturing that. Mhmm.

Cool. I'll I'll rework that then. And then if if did anyone else have any other things, or can we move on to the, I guess, the committee that's getting shifted to other committees?

Committee. The

same to me. They don't wanna it.

This one on the work plan for 2024, it was exploring districts and listings, but those got shifted to the unnamed future committee that is currently the heritage committee. I think this one, yeah, generally, I think this stuff up above also got spread out. So this the work from this committee is not going anywhere. It'll just be redistributed.

Yeah. You just have

redistributed. Yeah.

I think where you're going.

Yeah. For the POG committee, the heritage commission training, I've added in here new member orientation because that's something we had talked about. And additional development training, I wonder if that's also opportunities for DEI education, like, from earlier in the work plan. Yeah. So just adding that in there.

And then I formally added the bylaw update and the LMC update so that it's showing what the committee is gonna be working on, and it can be mapped out for the full year cycle. The bylaw should be fairly quick, and that's something that committee would probably agree on some changes, present to the commission, commission votes. I'm not sure. I'll have to check, but I I'll run it past the committee to see if there's any type of considerations because we are an advisory council. But I think that's pretty self contained, whereas the ordinance update, that's something that will go through a few different approvals and reviews.

So that one will take a little longer. And then I've also included or I've left the comprehensive plan update in place, and that's already it's awesome. It's happening next month, so we'll be able to chat and look at that. And then there was equity in historic preservation discussions as an existing line item. This I think, again, I wanted to ask the group if you wanted to keep that there or if you wanted to maybe alter it to reflect seeking education and additional, like, professional opinion.

Does anyone would would you like to start a discussion on that?

I think it might be interesting to learn about. It says intangible heritage and cultural landscapes, like, just to even know what some of those are besides squawks in and I mean, like, we know those type of things, but then what else is there? So little. But

I see your point

Just even acknowledging, like yeah.

Like additional heritages that could exist Right. In just yet.

And what is there even what is there now even? Like, what could be included, but what is there existing that way? Like, what do we have on our registry that is indigenous?

This might be that might be oh.

Oh, sorry. I was like, this might be a good place to I know there's different definitions for cultural landscapes. I've worked with the National Park Service in the past, and they have, like, a a working definition, like, one that they actually use for a determination of sites and things when they're doing archaeology in the parks. So I don't know if we're looking for a structured definition or, like, I guess, a western approach to it or if we want to bring in if we wanna do both and kind of get multi points of view on on heritage from both our tribal partners and our government partners.

Yeah.

I think that would be really cool. We could figure out a way to do that.

Mhmm. I I don't

what the process looks like. But

I think first relationship building and establishing some sort of a connection would be a good start. I think that there might be more layers to this topic than I even know how to approach. Perfect. But there may be general things. Maybe this wouldn't be wanted by people we would want to approach. I guess we would need to have more conversations to see what

Well, and I the most appropriate way to collaborate. I think just even by saying that, I think maybe it does require a little bit more personal development as a group because we wanna be sensitive to people, and we need to broaden our horizons because we've only lived a certain way and we don't really understand. So it might be good to do some sort of training at some point even if it's just some sort of online thing that we do that makes us more sensitive before we approach people that that we wanna talk to and ask questions.

So maybe I can update this line item to be more focused on seeking education and understanding the bigger picture of heritage assets and cultural landscapes in Olympia so that everyone in the group can have a broader idea of what exists. Yeah. Does that Yeah.

Sum up sort of Mhmm.

Okay. Bill, did you have a additional thing to add?

Yeah. I was just gonna add. I'm just kind of top of mind for me, I guess, as we think about potentially pursuing stuff like training or, like, other resources related to d a DEI as it relates to our work. The the federal landscape around DEI has changed very radically in the last forty eight hours. Yeah. But, like, organizations that we may have been able to partner with as of, last like, week, like the National Park Service, have been instructed to essentially do away with a lot of these things. So I think we'll just have to try to understand what this new landscape is like and what opportunities exist.

Yeah. I agree. I was thinking maybe it it might be even a better first step to consult with DAP at the state level and and Yeah. See what connections that they can bridge for us first. That that would be good.

But we still have power locally and

Absolutely. Yeah.

And statewide. We still we we haven't fallen off the earth.

That's right.

And it's just I think that makes it important to Yeah. With it then. Yeah.

And, you know, this is a part of this is a part of us. You know? We this is this is native land that we're borrowing. So I think it's important to to consider that.

Yeah. I I mean, more for sensitivity training and things like that, that might be a good resource. Mhmm. For sure.

I'm making notes so that I can follow-up, and I will if I don't have a specific, I'll at least give you an update at the next meeting, but I will I'll pursue that.

There might even be some interesting people at Evergreen that would be willing to teach us a thing or two. I know they have that beautiful longhouse there.

I'll add that to the list.

As far as the pets go, they're not gonna know in a month. You know? They're not gonna know what's going on for a while. You know? So contact They don't really know what we're doing. Right now is gonna be

very good. But I'm not gonna answer

the question. Yes.

Alright. Any other thoughts, comments, questions for the policy ordinance and guidance committee?

Okay.

I'll make that change. I've I've made a paper note, but I'll I'll update the last line item there. And then the final section is the heritage review committee at this time. I think I have moved some things around. So it says educate property owners about permitting and special tax valuation.

I removed that because that got moved up to the marketing and outreach committee. Mhmm. Reviewing special tax valuation applications is staying here. Based on new guidance, I'm adding explore national listings that should be listed locally on the Olympia Heritage Register, promote new listings, which would both sort of replace the survey and designation items that were previously there. So I moved them down and updated them a little bit, but I think these notes on them stay the same.

So, you know, talking to property owners, doing research, just being general advocates, and then providing design guidance. I added this in. I don't know if it needs to formally be in the work plan, but I do know that that committee meets with community members, property owners, general meetings are available. People have questions about design and heritage review processes for permitting.

I think it's good to

be here. Leave it in there. Sure. Okay.

We've been we've been trying to promote that.

Yeah. A lot of people get excited when they learn that that's possible. So Right. Hopefully, we'll continue to be able to offer that and have folks coming in to chat about the properties. And then I also added to this section here, collaborating with the POG committee when the time comes to evaluate design guidelines or best practices for code updates.

Because the design guidance, specifically, there's a lot of, I guess, design guidelines that are our code. So a little bit of overlap there could be useful, but I'm not sure if that's redundant or not. But, yeah, that's those are the proposals for that committee or plan. I

mean, maybe it goes without saying that we need to add in just basic, like, review the permit applications and

applications. Review and recommendations. Yeah.

Mhmm. Mhmm.

Review building permit or re active permit applications.

Analystings.

Mhmm.

And whether shape or form that got taken in future.

Yeah. This winter got very, very, very, very, very busy for me, but I want to pick up the I had a horse tethering ring conversation soon. I wanted to touch base with the, I think, former commissioner that submitted the inquiry. I had reached out for some information and got it back. So We're just seeing some

make a listing. Right?

I mean

I mean, there's there's a few people that have reached out to learn more, so maybe this is the year that we'll Yeah.

Take it on.

It's like, oh, boy.

Yeah. It's in the right of way. Right?

You have an intern coming in. Right? So this feels like it's a good line, though, with some of that due updating resources and other things.

They take a little research.

It sounds like it But

some people have done research too.

There's there's research done. I think it's mostly tying up a few details. Yeah.

I'm sorry. But

I'll see what else needs to get done for that. I'll I'll let the group know to see if anyone wants to participate as the commission to help move forward. But likely, that will happen in mid February because my staff time has been very concentrated on a different thing for this month.

Okay? It

it's a cyclical it's a it's a grant thing, so it'll it'll clear up. There'll be a time where it's Okay. There's there's pockets. Yeah. Pockets. Yeah. But so any comments on this section here? The only thing that required budget would be the bronze markers, which is an existing program that we do for individually listed homes or properties, I guess. But aside from that and the adding of reviewing applications and listings.

Okay? Alright.

Sounds good. So I'll make the updates that we talked about, and then what I'll do is I'll not have it contract changes. I'll just have it as, like, a Final draft. Yeah. Final draft. So I'll email that final draft out to everyone so that you can come prepared to the February meeting with very specific recommendations and suggestions, or we can approve

it that night. But My last comment too on the general thing, scrolled past it, but at the top of the work plan is our mission as defined by the municipal code. So the work under it should support the mission work. So if you read the mission statement and you feel like something's lacking or we're not doing the work that's stated in there, then that's another discussion too. Idea. But you know? Are we doing what we say we're supposed to be doing as our mission? So maybe just review and reflect on that too. But it feels pretty strong so far. So

That's a

good point. And to to add on to that, the discussion on policy with the comprehensive plan has a lot of guiding direction for what work we should be working on as approved in a comprehensive plan. Mhmm. So those discussions, we have the opportunity to take an active role in seeing what is currently drafted and possibly suggesting requests if there's new things you want to add. Mhmm. So

Yeah. And, you know, always with the question, are we duplicating a service someone else is doing in the community now too? So with Arch and other things. So, you know, doesn't set us apart,

but just making sure we're

not duplicating services or confusing services or whatever. Yeah.

I think that's it for the work plan discussions. We're just moving

through this. We're working on the work plan. Good job.

Is all just documenting the work that everyone else has already put in and discussed and We've documented well. And

interpreted. Interpreted. Yeah. That's the.

Okay. Well, I guess it's two business items. Reports.

Marketing and outreach.

We'll start with marketing and outreach. We'll do them onward.

So, we haven't actually met since the retreat, but I have been sort of kicking around some ideas about the maintenance series. And I think I would love some input on this. I think probably the best place to start is at the beginning and have, the first series or lecture be about getting a house on the list and how you do that. And that should be fairly straightforward because, the process is already documented, but I was thinking maybe we could have a guest speaker or two that has been recently added to the list Mhmm. Relatively recently, and they can explain their experience.

And, so that's that's kinda what I was saying with that. And then, ultimately, I'm thinking this might be just something that I need to just assess that with Stacy, but I'm kind of thinking about having the maintenance series be a sort of have an interactive element to it. Think the love only stamps that we stickers that we get when we buy a certain amount of things for those events in downtown. I'm thinking, like, there's either some sort of passport or some sort of path or something that we follow where they sort of earn badges for the knowledge that they're gaining about their house. Like, taking care of our rain gutters is such an important thing.

It sounds stupid, but I think it's something really important for our especially for our climate. And, and when we talk about reaching out to the community, that's definitely gonna be a part where we're gonna have to talk to local caretakers, local not contractors, but, you know, the people that take care of the gutters and ask them how often this is something that needs to happen on an older house like this that's wood that has wood siding because the wood is what ultimately gets the anyways, so we're going into details. But I'm just thinking that there's there would be some sort of interactive element where they're sort of accumulating knowledge, and they have that thing just like we had with our collage we made, but they'll have something that shows that they're earning this knowledge. And maybe it'll keep them wanting to come back for more so they can get their next sticker or stamp or whatever it happens to be. But I think to start at the beginning would be easy for me since I'm not used to laying out these kind of things.

And I'm also in the process of researching to get my house on the registry. So I think it's

good when

things align. I think it wouldn't be hard to find people that have gone through the process recently.

Yeah. And You've met one. And the for the special

tax Well, I was thinking about her, but was her house already listed? I was missing it.

It was listed maybe a year before her. It was She

did. Recently. Yes. And you know

She did the listing. Okay. Perfect.

You know the house I was the docent for? It's not even listed. It was on the historic home tour, but it's not listed. The previous owner, they were just busy raising kids and stuff. They didn't have time to do it, but it's I think it's about the same age. It's like a 100 years old. It might be even it's a prominent house in the community. It's on Columbia. So there's people that have these great old houses out there.

We've had some pretty enthusiastic owners in the past, but Cassie would

be awesome for that. She was pretty.

And another question I have I don't know. I sometimes I feel like I'd ask. I don't know who I'm supposed to ask. But, so we have great classes at the community center. I don't know if you guys have ever looked at that magazine. They're so interesting. And I was thinking, I wonder if we could have the maintenance series at the community center.

There you go.

I mean, it's a city Sure. Building.

It's it'd be the perfect space for it too to get enough people in there and stuff too.

So that's what I'd recommend as a location for the Yeah. Series. So because I'm thinking, like

It's got

people to here. Start off a little slow with 10 people or so, but then it could be it could build up as people wanna

know more. Sure. So city facilities are inexpensive for us to use. Okay.

I'll see what the regulations are for

You better give us a break.

And then as far as the tabling activity, I know that's important for us to get our faces out there in the community when there are community events. I just wrote down in my notes, I was wondering, Garner, if you have any sort of pool models at your firm that we could put on display. They don't even necessarily have to be super historic, but, like, just something that looks you know how people are tactile and they wanna see and look and Yeah.

May I may

I have an idea.

Yes. Yes. That feels very, very specific and detailed. And as your staff liaison, I would like to first make sure that you've got people willing to commit so that if there is a presence plan and Garner has a cool model and it does end up going there, that there's support from all of you to bring there and pick up said model.

Can I can I can I jump in for a second?

Do you mind?

Yeah. Okay. This is coming from Spring Arts Walk is coming up. Registrations are due. Yeah. I kinda I threw it at you right when you walked in too, so we're just backing up a step. We'd like to register for spring arts walk if possible, but we would need help from committee members as well to staff those tables during that time period. So we just wanna make sure that's the commitment y'all would be willing to do so it's not just Melissa and I there for both days.

Right. And that's why I was thinking, what could we have at

the table? Else we could do that's super easy and fun to do? Buy a thousand popsicles sticks and some glues and let kids make

their own buildings. Oh, that does sound good.

Have an activity for them, and the parents can read about stuff.

Garner can make an awesome, beautiful, amazing one with all the pictures.

Yeah. And come down

and meet

with that. Pressure.

But Hey. Got a

of months. But that could be a fun activity to engage with people too and then talk to the parents too from there. But that might be a more fun activity rather than putting at risk other things. So Yeah.

I I I don't really have what you're looking for. Okay. But a thought, and we could talk to Valerie about this, but we are working on the armory Oh. Project right now. There might be a way to tie in some of the stuff we're doing with the armory.

Yeah. At least something two d or

something would be fun. Turn into a coloring page and have students color. Yeah.

Yeah. You

know? It's just something that's fun at our walk them to take with or do potentially.

I mean, we could almost do, like, a historic educational thing Mhmm. On the army. Yeah. Because it's an interesting building, and it's Art Deco. Yeah. It has We can have designed by Olympiads at this point.

We can have them put, like

There's a lot of

cars in it and dogs in it because, you know, in cars show and the dog.

Right. Right.

So if you are all willing, then we can sign up for ArtsWalk if you guys are all willing to contribute a couple hours Friday or Saturday ArtsWalk to help support us. That'd be nice. Yeah.

Cool. I would like to request that we pursue this if we can get four serious commitments. I'm committed. I'm committed too.

I'm committed.

We're looking at you, Bill and Eleanor.

Too bad.

It depends on the weekend,

but it shouldn't be a problem. We will potentially have new commissioners in at that point too that we could rope into it too. So so but yeah.

Sorry I missed it. Is there a date exactly?

Yeah. March walk is April,

I think.

Sounds good.

I thought it was.

Yep. April. It's normally Friday evening and Saturday, and the registrations are due at the end of this month. So we wanna make sure we had a solid commitment to, give us a few months to step up for that.

So Yeah. That's why I thought I would bring it up, like, suss out what it could be, and that way we have a commitment Yeah. Instead of just like, yeah. Sure. We can do something. But I

like these coloring pages and popsicle stick items. Popsicle sticks are so inexpensive to get. So if we don't have a lot of budget, see if they have to

Is the twenty sixth and twenty seventh, Saturday and Sunday? Twenty fifth and April 26. Friday and Saturday. Yep. Okay.

I'm gonna read the armory coloring

page. Armory coloring page.

We can collect them.

We could

pull that up.

Yeah. Super easy. Now that we've got the four names at least

committed Minimum.

I think the minimum. Yes. I will

I'll see what I can do to organize that, and then I'll send information out to everyone so that even if you are not one of the four specifically committed folks, it would be lovely to have everyone pop by at some point to, like, you know, just be present.

Yeah.

Cool. I mean, no. Thank you. Yeah.

Thank you for letting me jump in. Sorry. You get very excited. So I'm just like, here, just back up a little bit. But, yeah, we can have some fun fun activities. So thank you for that. Cool. Look at that. We're putting the work plan in effect before we approve it.

Okay. Anything else on marketing and Aries? Okay. I

think that's oh, I'm sorry. I was taking notes.

You were right.

No. I think that's it.

Is it? Full report. Okay. It's a report. Pog report.

Pog review next week. Pending a doodle poll. It will be likely be Monday or Thursday. And then I don't even think that a point person or a chair has been selected for that committee because there's been no First or Yes. So we'll have whomever is the chair established in that meeting to report out in February.

Okay. Arrived review committee. We have not met since the special tax valuation we did back in October. So let's talk about them on that. So any upcoming applications that you know about? There

are a few people who have expressed interest, but no one that is at the application. So yes, but no.

K. K. Now we only have

three minutes. Reports go faster.

Okay. I guess that gets us down to other topics.

Do you have any specific other topics?

No. I think that's all I have. Alright.

Anybody else have any fun stuff for the good of the year?

Dang. I forgot to ask everyone a fun question. I don't have one prepared. I was I've been very

excited about

the oxides. February. I'm gonna have a fun question for everyone.

Okay.

Just be that's my Be prepared. Yeah.

Well, that too because the first fun thing will be our.

Oh,

yeah. That'll be a busy one, actually, because we'll also get comprehensive plan update and details. So yeah.

Yeah. Are is David doing that?

Or Yes. David will be doing that. We'll have a guest presentation. He was hoping to have time to do it in January, but some things came up, so we shipped it to February. And, I mean, it's 07:00 now, so I think that makes it I also plan

on having more information on the maintenance series by then. Okay. But I'll make sure it's concise. Maybe I'll have something printed off to

share or something. Yeah. We can

get that outlined. Yeah. If you want me to, distribute that too. Just let me know. I can Or you could.

We'll figure it out. But it'll be concise. It won't be.

It's fine. Great. We like details, so

it's we'll we'll talk after the meeting. I think we're about to end the meeting then. Okay. Yeah. What's normally in? We're adjourned.

Adjourned at 06:55.

Look at us go. Alright.

Nice to see you all online.

Thank you.

Oh, I'm always waving at the spring. Not at

the bye.

Thank you. My camera's