City Council - Regular Meeting

All right, please silence your cell phones and devices. We're about to get started. So, it is 6 o'clock. I call this meeting of the Sagon City Council to order. Please rise for the pledges. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Honor the Texas flag. I pledge allegiance to thee, Texas. One state under God, one and indivisible. Thank you. Please be seated. Item C is the invocation for that. Pastor Ramon Smith, Methodist Church. Welcome, sir.

Glad to be here. Um, Pastor Raman Smith at Sagnal United Methodist Church within walking distance from here, 209 South Blue Bonnet. Uh, we'd love to see you all in worship sometime. Would you please join me for a prayer? Holy God, God of Advent hope and dawn and light, we pause tonight believing you still guide communities, still lift leaders, still shine in the darkest places. Bless our mayor, our city manager, every city council woman and council man, everyone who works for the city. Give them wisdom rooted in justice, courage shaped by compassion, and decisions that honor the people they serve. Cover our first responders, our police, firefighters, EMTs with your protection and your peace. Bless every faith community in Sagenol. All who seek you and serve neighbor. Make us partners in healing this city. We lift the homeless up, the students who are struggling, the parents trying to make ends meet. Surround them with strength, dignity, and hope. We lift up our school administrators, teachers of the Eagle Mountain Sagena Indisependent School District. Renew them with patience and passion for their calling. We pray for newcomers to Sagenol. Those who left home for opportunity but now feel alone. Give them community, belonging, and support. We lift our young people searching for identity, purpose, and place. Guide them

with your light. And now, oh God, bless this meeting. Let it glorify you. Let it move Sagenol toward hope, peace, and flourishing for all. Come Lord Jesus in this chamber, into this city, into our hearts. In the matchless name of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, let all the people of God say, "Amen." Yes, sir. Thank you, Reverend. Appreciate your wise words.

All right. Audience participation is 1D. You may speak on any item that is on the agenda. fill out one of these forms over here by the uh assistant chief of police and we're happy to hear from you uh at at the appropriate time. Moving on to the consent agenda. 2 A, action regarding minutes from November 18th. 2B, action regarding reappointment of tax increment reinvestment zone number one board of directors. 2 C action regarding appointment of Sean Ferguson as reserve police officer. Any questions, comments on the consent agenda? If not, I'll entertain a motion. Mayor motion we approve the consent agenda as read. Thank you Paul. Valerie second.

Please cast your votes. Motion passes. Let the record reflect. We have a quorum a full house tonight. Thanks for coming folks. All right. Moving on to three 3A recognitions presentations. Gabe, what do we have from the city folks tonight? I don't think we have any. Do you have any recognitions, Randy? Yeah, I don't think we have any, mayor.

Okay. Thank you, sir. All right, moving on to 3B. We have a special presentation tonight though. Uh I have a proclamation that I will read in full. So please whereas Alma Loretta Mimi Garrett was born December 12th, 1925 in Monday, Texas. Loretta and her husband Alton moved to Sageno, Texas in 2006 and served the community through her church. And whereas Loretta and Alton parented four daughters and one son in Abalene, Texas. And whereas Loretta has 12 grandchildren, 21 great grandchildren, and six great great grandchildren. Loretta worked in a family business for 15 years, First Grocery Store for 12 years, and Safeway for 13 years before retiring. And whereas Loretta became involved and is a faithful member of the Sagenol Church of Christ since 2006. Whereas Loretta loves and supports Sagena, her home for the past 19 years. Now therefore, let it be proclaimed that I, Todd Flippo, mayor of the city of Sagon, and the entire city council, do hereby join in the celebration of Loretta Garrett's 100th birthday by declaring Friday, December 12th, 2025 to be Loretta Garrett Day in the city of Sageno. Congratulations. Y'all want a picture with the proclamation? I can bring it around. Congratulations. Congratulations.

Thank you. Well, it'll probably go downhill from there. That's the highlight of the evening, folks. But but that was neat. So, you guys in the back sit, Ronnie, y'all can sit down. We all have to stand up. We got chairs. We got table. I appreciate all kicking out not kicking out the hundred-y old lady and taking a seat from her. But all right, let's move on. So, we're at 3C, which is presentation update design options for the new animal shelter. So, I have to call an audible tonight. Kim Dowy Hickman from Quorum Art Architects had a medical emergency. She will not be able to attend. We're going to push this entire discussion to the next council meeting. I do know there are folks that are here that want to speak and I've got forms from folks. You're allowed to speak tonight if you still want to or we can push it to the next meeting or you can speak both. It's either one what y'all want to do because um we will take no action tonight. We'll discuss everything completely from from zero next meeting just when Kim can be here. She is needed to be here. So I have three I believe three cards from Benjamin from Stephanie and Pam. If y'all want to speak you can right now. Uh this the only discussion we'll have on tonight and we'll discuss it all again. So what would y'all like to do? Anybody want to speak tonight?

Come on. Yes, ma'am. You if you want to, you certainly can. Absolutely. Wow, this is tall. Can you get it down to you so you we can hear you? I think you can hear me anyway. Yeah. Well, hi. Um, this first time I've ever come to a city council meeting to speak. Does my three minutes start yet?

You go. Go ahead. You're good. Yes, ma'am. So, but I'm a resident here in Sagenol, retired teacher for our school and um I've also been to the pet shelter and that's what I'm here for. Um I'd like to first thank the volunteers and those that work at the pet shelter. Anybody here that works at the pet shelter? Well, you know, for what they have to work with, I think they've done an amazing job. But one thing, I've lived here oh since my kids went to Elkins Elementary in the 80s and uh been a teacher at Elkins and Chisum. Um but our city's grown. Our city has exploded over the last 10, 20, 30 years. And because of the new growth, we've added new schools. When I came in the 80s, there was five elementary schools, one junior high, and Boswell. That's it. And now we got what, 15, 16 elementary schools. That's a lot of growth, folks. And we're not stopping. We still have land for houses to be built on and businesses. And when we needed more schools, we didn't crowd our schools. What we did, we built new schools, better schools, so our classrooms wouldn't be overcrowded. We just opened up our brand new library and senior citizen center, which I'm active in both. I'm on the library booster board and uh have for many years. And so I got to watch from the ground up watch that beautiful building be built. I knew how much we needed a new library. I knew how crowded we were

getting over here at the senior citizen um just by you had to be there early to play bingo. Believe me, you had to get there early and have a spot saved for you. But you know, we have a beautiful new facility because we outgrew that. Well, folks, we've outgrown. And I looked it up. I think it was kind of funny. I looked up and saw what the first animal shelter looked like here in Sagenol was a box. And then we got into 1980 and we had a little shed and uh then you know we have what we have today. But guys, we've outgrown it. And um it's way overdue. And I really think that our city needs to look not to the present but to the future. As our city grows, that animal shelter needs to grow because there's more animals being let loose. Let's face it, people can't afford to feed sometimes their animals. And well, they get rid of first, their dogs or their cats. sad to say, but our facility over there, my dog has a is uh registered with the city of Sagenol. Why? Because if she's found on the streets, I want to make sure she gets back, but you know, I don't really want her to be over there at that shelter. I know they have a great staff and volunteers, but let's face it, it's pretty run down, you know. And then I'm going to close with this. you think of a quilt. And I thought of this because I have a quilt on my bed right now that belonged to my grandmother and she made it. And I have some other quilts that were relatives. And you know that quilt's made with different pieces. You know, you sew them together, you hope they stay together. Well, that's kind of like what we've done to the shelter over

here. We've kind of put it to pieces. But you know, as you as you use that quilt, it becomes worn and you mend it where you can. Well, we've done a lot of mending over there. And we you mend it, but you know, after a while, it's just not going to mend anymore. The threads are bare. The batting inside is really worn. And that's what that shelter is. So I just ask you right now to look to the future of Sagenol, not the present because present needs to change. But we have a lot of new facilities, new income coming in. And I really think that we need a more inviting place for people to go to where they want to find a pet for the future. A place where animals that are scared and lost, they can find comfort. They can find shelter, food, and anything physically they need to have done. And let's look not to the present, but let's get on the right track for the future. I liked how I said that. Right track. Get it? Okay. The right track for the future for our animal shelter. It might just be across the way on Brenda Lane. People don't see it very much, but a lot of people go over there to visit more than you would know. So, I just come to you and just say really consider it. Consider it for those that can't speak for themselves, those animals. And let's hope they all get good homes. And let's hope people are aware this Christmas that you don't buy a puppy and a couple of months later when that puppy outgrows the yard, it goes to the shelter. So that's what I came for. And I can speak in January, too. I used to be a school teacher, so I know how to gab a little bit.

Yes, ma'am. Yeah. So, anyway, it was very nice. Thank you for listening to me. Thank you for being quiet, not booing me, but thank you very much.

Yes, ma'am. Thank you, ma'am. All right. So, as I mentioned, um, all this, uh, C and D will be bumped to the next meeting due to a medical emergency. Anybody else want to speak on this topic that has a card? Benjamin. Okay. Howdy. So, I'm not sure if I'm going to be able to make it in a couple of weeks, but um, I got on the uh, Facebook thread, one of the Facebook threads about this meeting tonight, and I think there's just been a lot of misunderstandings out there. Um, and I I've been saying this to to Gabe and other city staff for years. People don't know where Sagena is. Sagena has three elementary schools. We do not have 16 elementary schools. And as much as we are a region, and some people refer that they live in Sagena area. Y'all have 23,000 taxpayers that pay Sagenol $1,200 a year average to take care of them and their business. Not Fort Worth residents, not Blue Mound residents, which why why are they paying us $3,000 a year for animal services? Blue Mound is their own city. I guess that was a deal that was made a long time ago. Maybe Blue Mound needed the help. I really don't know why, but in 2025, I think that agreement needs to be relooked at because I mean, talk to the average animal center employee here in Sagenov. What do they make? $3,000 a month, probably. I mean, that's a lot of money. Um, so I'm just going to run through my little list real real quick. Um, I haven't heard anyone say that Sagenod doesn't need a new animal control facility or that anyone has said we don't need a bigger facility. Those questioning the cost and the needs of the proposed amenities or location are doing so to help save the proposed bond

because in our estimation it will not pass in its current proposed format. Um I was told in a Facebook post that since I haven't volunteered at our facility that I shouldn't come to this meeting tonight. And that made me livid. actual residents, property owners, and voters matter. We have to pay the bill. We have to pay the upkeep. We have to take care of the staff and their entitlements, their healthcare, all the stuff that comes with being an employee of the city of Sageno. And we get to pay the interest on that loan because I don't know if people know what a bond is. It's basically applying for a credit card and getting a limit. and you're and you're like, "Okay, well, the voters said we can have this and we're going to have a set amount of interest for 20 years, 30 years." And guess what? Investors don't have to buy those bonds. The bond market is really interesting place. Uh city council and residents concerns have been blown off and met with moral superiority, namealling, accusations, and emotional blackmail. the last meeting where this uh animal control center was brought up, one of the volunteers came up here and said a quote from Gandhi. Okay, how dare you? We are humans, too. I have a rescue animal. Because I don't want to waste money doesn't mean you get to be better than me. The assessment from the beginning was based off of inflated numbers, including numbers from Fort Worth and Blue Mound. Does our animal control ever pick up animals from outside city limits or accept animals from non-residents? Uh, Quorum, which is the architecture company that couldn't come tonight, used an existing plan done for another city. It still charged us a new plan fee. They said that they had to move some

things around. Well, I work in jewelry and CAD CAM. We already have the ring made. Somebody switches around for a square. Click, click. Plan done. Why is this parcel of land being looked at? It is a piece of heavy industrial land that is currently tax producing. Quorum talked about building future bridge, trails, a dog park for the other side of town in a future budget that is not included in this proposed $16 million bond. She literally said they are softening the area. Why are we doing this to our local businesses? There are taxpaying businesses over there right across the street from where y'all are going to put a city facility that is supposed to bring all these people that want to like I don't know it's like a PetSmart or something that they're talking about building. Uh it's a heavy industrial area. Will the will the promised efficiencies in this building because we were told in the last meeting in September uh oh they need a prep kitchen. They need you know this and this and this. There was all these efficiencies promised. Uh Kim from Quorum said that Carolton saved 50% in all this time with uh with their employees. Will that end up in reduced labor cost, maintenance cost, supplies cost? I would expect that the animal controls budget would be cut if we're going to build this current proposal because we're paying upfront for all these efficiencies. Uh it feels like this is a retail building, natural light, play areas, yoga rooms, free roaming cat rooms. I mean, I encourage everybody to watch the meeting from September 16th. Uh unlike our neighboring cities, Sagenov participates in the TNVR program. Aren't we investing in that to reduce the amount of stray animals? So why are we increasing the kennels by

400%. I mean, isn't TNVR supposed to lower that? Other cities around us don't do that. Uh, if you build it, they will come. If we build 150 kennels, we're going to get a bunch of drop offs. Uh, why do we need new meeting rooms and training rooms? the animal control staff actually said, "Oh, I won't have to have staff travel to rock, Blue Rock, and all these different places and have hotels." Yet, they said that the meetings aren't held locally because the person isn't certified. Um I also all the cities that we were compared to which the council was told when they asked about city population that you can't base the needs of this animal shelter based solely off of city population. Well, Baytown 87,000 people, Mansfield 89,000 people. Garland 252,000 people. This year, Sagena to date, this is according to the Tarant County uh website, has brought in about $7 million in sales tax. Garland's brought in 49 million. I mean, these cities that they compared us to are orders of magnitude larger in taxable property value, in average home cost, in sales tax value, in everything. I really don't understand why we were compared. Even Carolton, 136,000 people. Sagena is a city, not a region. Kroger and Chick-fil-A are not in Sagena. Sageno is a city of 23,000 people that are parents, that are brothers, sisters, that are pet owners. We want to take care of pets. We want to take care of our city employees. We want to do it the right way. Thank y'all for listening.

Thank you, Von. Thank you. All right. I have I have other cards for folks that want to speak. Um, let's see. We've Have we heard from Deborah Brett? You got one, please. Yes. Come on.

Well, I would piggy back on one thing that Ben said, which was, you know, definitely Sagenol is very small. I've been in Sagenol for 21 years. And yes, when I first moved here, Boswell was the only high school. And so yes, we have exploded, but as been brought up, the the figures and the amounts of just how big is Sagenol compared to Fort Worth, Fort Worth, Fort Worth, Fort Worth. My our son is a teacher at Wayside Elementary School and I mean, excuse me, Wayside Middle School and they'll be getting into their new building in January. Um that took a lot of effort of bond but then we had COVID and we ended up having to go out for another bond because it increased the expense of the building and the and all the supply. So everything was halted and then the people were given you know let's vote on this but it wasn't a a clear cut of people some people didn't understand so they were vote you know wanting to vote it down like well we've already voted for that bond we've already voted for that bond and I've tried to become more active which um is something that all of us as citizens need to do is become more active in our community and know exactly what is going on because I didn't realize until I was actually talking with my son about that particular bond issue of the fact that that's true. You set it up for the future as you said like the credit card to pay for it. Well, then catastrophicness happened. Well, suddenly it's going to cost a huge amount more. Well, that's not what the original bond was. But we can't get this school built. what are we going to do?

And by educating ourselves and knowing what is going on, uh for me that really helped me in my voting and everything. Well, now that this has come up with the animal shelter and it is very near and dear to my heart as well because I love animals. I couldn't volunteer down there. I would stay there 23 hours a day and I'd want to take every one of them home and that of course is just not feasible even though the acco might not mind that but um but um and so we you know donations we send in donations. I was so proud to hear of Sagenol become uh the animal shelter becoming a 5013C being able to have some rescues come in to help to accommodate um to because yes 20 years ago it was like if I saw a loose stray dog as mayor you said in that meeting in September I can agree with you sometimes it's just the dog owners they're just irresponsible and how can we, you know, how can we curb that? Here's a dog out. No collar, no tag, no chip, no nothing. But I didn't want to take him to the animal shelter because in it was 3 days they kill them. That's it, you know, boom. But once I started researching and checking and looking and seeing what all they've been doing and it's phenomenal. And I was actually down there again last week. I take the donations. I go to Goodwill, whatever. Senior day, halfp price day to find blankets to get cat litter, whatever they can use. And when standing in there, you know, it's it it's it is it is horrible. We all know that the building was supposedly

temporary. Um falling around apart all around them. um 87 what one of the workers said yeah that when that gets pretty hot in the summertime and burns their hands. So there's so much need and there is that need for an upgraded and a better capable animal shelter to facilitate sagenol. But when standing in there, it was I saw the whiteboard and um that was for the workers, but unfortunately it's such a small area in the entrance way and it's like, you know, cage uh door broken uh dog door on cage such and such broken, you know, when when they're utilizing every stretch that they can stretch, what can we do? 18. I thought it was 18 million was what they're looking at the bomb. Yes, that sounds atrocious. And how in the world? But this has been something we've been needing for years. I've been here, like I said, 21 years. And here we are in 2025 ending into 2026 that even if we could get a bond issue for 3/4 of that amount, we're still not even looking for anything to be built for another what 2 years or more. So we've got so much going on. But then as he's as we know it's exploded with our population just exactly when those AC officers are coming. If I find a dog I I'm in Sagenol proper but that dog may have come from you know we know across the street can be Fort Worth. One side of the road is is Sagenol, one side is Fort Worth. If if Sagenol PD can't go down the road

over there to give a ticket because it's Fort Worth. So, how how many of these animals are, you know, really are Fort Worth? So, I I I know that that's way beyond my research and everything of knowing, but considering how many people we have of 23,000 in in our population, Yeah. then it's like, whoa, wait a minute, we've got it. How how can we do it? And I know you as our elected officials are the ones that are here to somehow figure it out with trying to make this one happy without making this one upset to not get this to not get that. But in the meantime, we're still we're still sitting here and and for me it seems as though it's been very long decades overdue of just sitting on it. And yes, we've got the wonderful library and senior center and I've have volunteered in a library booster now to be involved and to see and it's like we what can we do now for this next step because sometimes it just seems like what you know people just open their door and let out their animals just go they'll get killed on Sagenol Maine. You know they don't want them anymore. our our future daughter-in-law is a veterinarian in Fort Worth and at their vet clinic, they just get a box left on their front doorstep and it's three-day old brand new kittens. I mean, like you said, mayor, we can't change what people are, but how can we get it out to people? That's that's something that I would like to know a little more about and hopefully research a little bit more and find out of how can people

like me who had no idea but once you start to know it's like you can't unsee. So, how do we get more people involved to know because we do need it? $18 million. Well, SA Fort Worth, they said, well, it costs less, but then they're budgeting and yada yada yada. Well, considering we're talking two years down the line before it's even built, that's why they're looking at the the millions of dollars. Can it be done cheaper? I'm sure it can. can we do without some of the luxury things that they're talking about? It all at this point seems so necessary, but I know we're also working on a time clock because we've got to get it out there.

So, I just wanted to voice my frustration over it and appreciate you all for what you do and for listening to all of us and um and making a difference hopefully. Can I put an ending on there? Absolutely. Yes, sir. Please. Yes, sir.

I'm her husband and we've been married 17 years and I was I've retired from Loheed Martin and I was a software budget manager for a very large corporation. All I did for the last 10 years was work budget. Talked to Gabe about this. Talk to Lee about it. I understand budget. Man, do I understand budget after working there. You know what you they're doing over there. I did spreadsheets. That's all I ran. But I want to skip that part. I grew up just across the street from Gainsville across the Red River. On the Red River was my grandpa's land. I grew up on that land and we had cows and we had horses, but we also had cats and dogs. The dogs were working dogs. They went out there and they worked our cattle for us. The cats, they did their thing to take care of the mice, keep the barns clean, kill the snakes, kill those grasshoppers. So, what I'm switching gears to is I learned from a young child growing up on that farm how important our animals are to us. And then after I married this beautiful young lady who happens to love animals, even deeper than I do, I learned the importance that you get attached to these animals. We've been through a lot of animals. My wife was a hospice nurse. I can't tell you how many animals that she has done hospice on besides humans to let that animal have a nice life as it passes away. So, I would like to see us do the right thing. I'm skipping the budget, skipping the financing, the spreadsheets, but right things to take care of these animals. You can't take care of yourselves anyway. The end.

All right. Thank you. Thank you all folks. Appreciate it. Thank you very much. All right. I still got a couple one. Um I think you just came. Kim Tate, would you like to come on up? Welcome.

Hello. The young lady back here had me in tears, so bear with me about the animals. Um, well, good evening everyone. I won't be before you long. My name is Kim Tate. I've lived in Sagena for 14 years. Um, we see we send many donations to help from food, blankets, um, toys. Um, we send in a lot of donations to help these animals. Um, but I just want to say please consider a new shelter for these animals. I'm crying cuz I recently put my my dog down. So,

it's okay. Take your time. All right. You're good. So, animals animals rely on us. Thank you. Animals rely on us. Animals deserve the same level of care and respect as humans. And dogs spell backwards is God. So, let's treat them with compassion and have a heart. And thank you for your time. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you. All right. Did I miss Is anybody else in the audience wish to speak on this? Come on up. Yes, ma'am.

Hi. I did turn in my card, but my name wasn't said, but my name is Siobhan. Um, I've lived in Sagenol for about 20 years now. Um, which isn't super long compared to some people, but it's half my life, so it feels like a long time. Um, so, um, I have participated. I was on um project dreamplay and helped get the playground um built at Willow Creek Park and I was also on one of the bond committees. So I am um pretty active within Sagnaw and I am a strong advocate for change. Um I do want to start by saying that I fully support a new um animal shelter in our city. I think that it would greatly benefit our our facility or our city and um we need one that provides humane care for animals um supports adoptions and reflects the values of our community. Um but I do really want to urge the council to pursue this project in a fiscally responsible manner. Um currently the presentations that are under review show plans that are between 15 to $18 million because I know there were a couple of um presentations. Um and those figures rival um cities that are much larger than ours with significantly higher populations and higher tax bases. Um the plans appear to represent an ideal facility. um and they were drafted by developers who of course want to build a more expensive facility because they seek profit. Um instead of coming up with a practical and affordable design that was um for Sagenov specifically um during the last presentation by quorum they mentioned Carolton's facility um it said that our facility would need to be much larger. Um Carolton has a population of about 135,000 people which is four times the amount of Sagena um at buildout. So thinking um along the future lines still um in most real world situations when we're talking about a household or a business um budget is really kind of the driving factor in making a decision. Um it seems that cost wasn't really prioritized in this process. Um from the start the city

should have directed the planners to design a facility within a set budget um rather than allowing them to propose a state-of-the-art facility that is beyond what we really need. Um, and now that the employees of the animal shelter have seen this design, of course, there's no wiggle room. We need everything that was proposed, right? It's like showing somebody a Mercedes bend and saying, "Would you like this or would you like this Ford Focus instead?" Right? Of course, we want the Mercedes once we've seen what's possible. Um, it was also previously mentioned that the new facility would mean the animals would be happier. Um, and we'd have better adoption rates than we even currently have. So, I just wondered why if that was the case, why we are trying to triple the capacity that we currently have as well. It doesn't really add up to me. Um, it's also important to recognize the likelihood of voter response for this. Um, a bond at $20 million will almost certainly be voted down by the citizens. Um, and if it's voted down, then there's not going to be a shelter at all, even the Ford focused one. So, I think that's something that we really need to think about. Nobody would win in that situation. Um, but I feel like if the council works with Quorum or whatever company to present a more affordable reasonable plan, um, I think that the committee would be far more willing to support it. Um, we did, we also saw this with the last school bond. Um, there was a natatorium that was proposed. Um, and Sagena High School gym had um, items that were proposed and those were voted down. Um, but there were bonds for safety improvements and building improvements and technology improvements and those all passed. So I think that the citizens vote based on needs and numbers. So that's something that we need to think about when we bring this bond to proposal. The reality is that many families in Sagonar are struggling with rising cost of living. While incomes have not kept pace with inflation, Medicare prices have increased, healthcare costs are going up, residents are already feeling the pressure of increased taxes, and the concern of being taxed out of our homes is very real. Um, and I think that you guys need to weigh this reality when

considering a bond proposal. Um, I also want you to um consider, you know, the design that balances compassion for animals, financial responsibility to taxpayers. I think that a modest plan, well planned shelter can meet the needs of our city without placing an undue burden on residents. Um, and then my last request to the council. Um, I know that there's a lot of conversation, you know, we talked about things that are going on online. um a lot of information and a lot of opinions are Fort Worth residents. So, I really just think when you're talking to people, make sure we're talking to Sageno residents because we do want to hear the voices of the community, but I do feel like Sagenol should have a higher a heavier weight when we're we're having those conversations. So, um those are my thoughts. Happy to talk further. Um but thank you for your time.

Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate it. All right. I think I got everybody all in, all done on this subject. We we're back again next meeting. Same thing we will discuss and uh take some action then. So thank you folks. Moving on. We're at 3E discussion regarding design of East Malary Boulevard. Trenton Tidwell, city engineer. Thank you, Mayor and Council. Okay, tonight we're going to talk about some street updates. We're going to focus on uh Macroy Boulevard. We're actually going to start though with Old Decater and Nolles and then we'll work through all the phases for Maroy. Oh, come on. So, Old Decater North, we opened bids um last week. Later in the agenda today, um we're recommending that we award that contract to DDM Construction. The bids came in um really solid for that. We're really excited about those um bids. So, the total is about $4.5 million and compared to the budget that we had set aside, there's a surplus of about $800,000 from that, which is really exciting to hear. So, that gives us some cushion and some flexibility to perhaps um look at other um roadways in the city that need um addressing. the schedule for that project. Um it'll start if if awarded to DDM today, it'll start in late January or early February and will last about a year. Um we're having to split up that into several phases just to keep traffic um oneway traffic on it because it's pretty narrow. Null's phase two and three moving on to it. Um roundabout is open um now. So that's really exciting. Uh we do have striping signage and some sod to finish up there. Bill has already started his punch list and um they're starting to work on those items. He's expecting them

to finish that in about January. Um mid January to late January, but Bill's really good at his punch list. So sometimes I build in some fluff into that timeline. Has everybody driven down nulls? I went and drove around the roundabout four or five times and honked my horn. So just I hope y'all have as well cuz it's a long time coming. But we're glad it's finally open. Hope you didn't drive too fast. In all honesty, you can't drive that fast in that one. So, that's a good thing. It's really nice. Well, part of it's nice. The whole thing. The whole The whole thing.

The whole thing is nice. Yeah. Well, I think it's I probably think it's one of the I think it's one of the safer roundabouts that I've been on because of the way y'all got the entrances and everything. I think it's really nice. And I wasn't for it at the beginning, but it is nice. Thank you. Well, thank y'all. Yeah. Um I think we collaborated a lot on that, so credit to y'all, too. So, I think the outcome, everyone's really happy with it so far.

Um, okay. We're going to jump to Macroy. Once again, I'll have some of these phasings up there to help us keep track of which phase we're talking about, but we're going to start with the yellow. That's the phase that's right outside our door here, phase three. And then we're going to work our way to the right or east on the um map. So, phase three, we had that public meeting um man, a little over a month ago at this point. And thank you all for coming. I thought that was really successful. Got a lot of good input from the citizens. So, we are wrapping up our final design for that right now. Um, we had a few changes from the meeting. And one of the final things we're actually looking to wrap up is the median design. So, I'm honestly hoping to get some um feedback from y'all tonight. I'll show youall kind of what the top two options were and then I'm hoping to get a final decision that we can move forward with and finalize the plans. Um just a reminder on the schedule before I jump to those options. Uh we are still working with franchise to get clear. The main ones are Encore and Atmas. They have some major relocations. They are still telling us that um they should be clear by May of 2026 and based on their progress, we do believe that that's true. So that sets us up well to advertise the project and award it in the spring of next year and then we can roll right into starting in the summer of 2026. So the two top options that came from the public meeting were um Zurich or zeroscaping which you see on the left and then the color and stamped concrete which you see on the right. Um I will mention that artificial grass also had a lot of green votes but it also had just as many red votes. So we kind of had that as a net neutral. So these were our two um top options based off the meeting. I will mention the zerocaping from this image. does show some decomposed granite and I'll just mention that Randy has told me and I agree that that would be a maintenance concern and

so what we'd be proposing with that option would be more river rock and then the native um droughtresistant plants that don't require as much maintenance. So Randy, I'm assuming the stamped concrete would be absolutely the lowest maintenance. Absolutely. Okay. I got concerned with that river rock because I've seen other places put it in and in a couple years you get a lot of weeds in it. It is a problem. Yeah. I absolutely am glad to hear the the crushed granite cuz in order to see all you got to do is go over to the library there's already gr weeds everywhere and you can put as thick of a barrier as you want but it doesn't work.

It's looking bad already. So, when you look at the initial cost, they're comparable um around 200,000, but that annual maintenance is what over the 20-year lifespan is really going to drive the cost up of the Zercaping. So, um I think it's a matter of opinion. How many feet of like linear feet were we talking about? So, square feet is 7,800 square feet. Yeah. How There's two main two or three main medians. If I had to estimate it, I'd say it's between like 600 and 800 linear feet of medians. Okay. Is it possible to mix it up and do a little each? I mean, just do concrete. It's just

Yeah, I think that would be an option. Another option someone asked, would could we mix up the types of concrete? Um, so perhaps putting So on the roundabout, you may have noticed in the central island we have the more rock pattern that's a dark tan color and in some of the median areas we'll have this brick stamped concrete. So could we do a combination of the two? Someone asked and said certainly we could look into a more decorative stamped colored concrete. Whole idea of this is to make this kind of the main street and look nice and just putting stamped concrete is not going to do it.

Yeah. And that's a great point that this photo perhaps doesn't do justice to the real potential of stamped concrete because we you could, you know, put in patterns, different colors, different textures. Yeah. I mean, you can do stamp like this, but I've seen a lot of patterns. I've seen some some pretty sweet stamped concrete. We could put sagenol in there, all kinds of stuff, right? Yeah, absolutely. We could put little in Phoenix, they do like I see lizards everywhere. Um, so yeah, we could do a train or something. Um, I know this is kind of throwing it on y'all, but yeah, any more questions and then if we're able to move towards a decision.

Um, I just want to put my vote in for the Zurich because, you know, this is the area of the city where we have our municipal buildings. This is the most important area of the city to look beautiful and to take advantage of that to uh help the beautifification of the city. And also, you know, we have the new fire station, we have the new library and senior center, and we're going to be remodeling this building. And so everybody will be coming here to conduct their business. And I think it's very important that we make this as beautiful as possible. So you know, like you said, we can get rid of these little gravel

places and we can put more native plants in there. It can be done in a very lowmaintenance manner and beautiful and you know this boring stamp concrete is just I hate to say it's it's not attractive. So I feel very strongly that we need to uh really make this area beautiful. Yeah.

Sean, did you have a Sean? Yeah. So, I have two questions. Um, one was in the regard back the slide that you had that had the cost on it. Um, why was that not on the options at that meeting for each of the items? I believe we did talk about the cost. I may not have had a table for all eight of the options. Uh, but we we spoke it in terms of magnitude. Um when people went over and placed their sticker, it did not say anything about correct. Yeah, it didn't say it right there. Is there a reason why?

No. I mean, we spoke about it at the meeting and we had people there to help answer questions and stuff, but no, we didn't I think with eight options, it was a little overwhelming, I thought, to have all the numbers for people, but it's a fair point. I see what you're saying. Yeah, because I mean to just look at how things look. I mean, we have to look at cost, too. Yeah. and not not the cost to install necessarily as much as the cost to maintain. The other question that I had was what if we just didn't have medians at all and kept those 35 mature trees that are there along by Roberts.

Yeah. Um so it was several years back we were asked to look at um changing the master thoroughfare plan from like a threelane collector to the two-lane divided. So, the benefits that were really honed in on for changing it to the two-lane divided with the raised median was the landscaping, the aesthetics of the corridor with what Mary was saying, kind of the downtown boulevard effect. Um, this question was asked before the public meeting, so we did look into it and I have some notes written down. Um, so I think those benefits I guess set those to the side. there's additional safety benefits that we talked about. Um, you know, having the controlled access even more so, um, is a benefit. Did you want to say something?

Yeah, it it's a good question. It came up at the meeting. Uh, the idea, as you all are all aware, is to have a main street type feel. Um, and if you have a main street feel, you have pedestrian traffic. And with a median and divided roadway, it's clearly safer. So, I would worry about wouldn't those trees tear up the roadway and the median after a while after years and years when they start? Yeah.

So, I think the point Sean is saying that if if we were to not have a raised median, the curbs of the roadway would be approximately where they are today cuz there's three lanes of pavement out there right now. So, we would be far enough from the trees. I wouldn't be concerned about that. The long-term concern with the trees is the water the 12-in water line that's directly below it. And I confirmed with Randy that there is concern about the longevity of that line with the trees being right on top of it. Um, and so when we looked at the cost comparison of like are we saving money if we go back to a threelane section, which I don't think that should be the main decision cuz like Gabe said, I think there's a lot of benefits from aesthetics and safety, but when you do look at that factor, the savings were about um 400,000 net. you would say $400,000, which for a $10 million project is

yeah, it's marginal. So, how far down does the wide part of the median go? And where does it get real narrow? Because I noticed on the design that it got real narrow further down. So, about that. Um, it's approximately at amber. Um, so right here by the fire station. So, just by the fire station. So, the the narrowest part of the the median would be here. So we wouldn't get much aesthetic of doing zero. Correct. It'd be mainly the east side or the west side. Yeah. So there's not much down there except for the fire station. So yeah, it's more of the gateway kind of entrance into

and as far as aesthetic, I mean the stamped concrete would look nice, right? Because that's what we got at the roundabout is the stamped concrete. So it's already kind of designed to match with that in that area. Anyway, I just I'm concerned about doing the zeroscape. maintenance we have already have issues with maintenance on on zeroscape and and like you said in front of the library. So I mean for me I think stamped concrete we can adjust the how it looks but it's down there anyway so we're not going to see it out here except for maybe a one or two foot strip.

Go ahead. Do you have a good top-down view of where the median is going to go? And because I think a lot of us may be misunderstanding exactly where that's going to look and how it's going to it would be helpful to me to be able to see. All right. This is going in phase three, but phase three includes a cemetery all and you know everything down on the east side to a completely changing scape uh by the time you get to the roundabout. So there there's a lot of variables.

I don't have a graphic of it, but I mean from on this map it's from the roundabout to Amber is the only only portion where we're able to have that. I believe it's 14 or 16 foot wide median. Is Pedro, do you have the slides from the um construction meeting that we had over at the library? Okay. Because I know there was a good one in there that kind of show a closer zoomed in.

Well, you're right. There's there's really three different areas. So, from Amber to the west to the roundabout, that's where we're really talking about the full median, the full tulian divided from Amber to about Opal. Um it's that's the transition period where you do have some raised medians but there the access is a little more demanding there with the city facilities. So there's some raised medians but then it transitions to the threelane section. And then from definitely Opel to the east it's all three-lane. There's no medians at no raised medians at all. Okay.

And as far as pedestrian traffic I was looking at the at that construction meeting. There's three raised crosswalks with flashing lights and then sidewalks all the way down the side. So, I would hope there would not be any pedestrian traffic in the middle of the median um in those areas anyway. They're not raised though, just to clarify. Yeah, they're not proposed to be raised. Thanks for that clarification.

Other questions for T? Yeah, when I was doing some numbers here and so you think you can uh for the zero landscaping one, you've got a dollar amount there and you got the cost over 20 years and I did the math and if my math is right ain't saying it is. It seems like you're saying that we can maintain those, do all the landscaping, replace any dead plants, things like that for about $93,600. That seems awful optimistic to me. 20 years to maintain that all the way down through there at, you know, is it 30,000 a year? 30,000 a year. It's 30,000 a year. 30,000 annual maintenance.

Oh, okay. Well, I was just looking at the dollar amounts at the bottom. They said cost over 20 years. They say it's $34 a square. It may be the That's per square foot. So, we may You're looking at 600,000. Yeah. For 20 years. That makes Okay. See, I my master. No problem.

I didn't say I need to get these people to mow my yard. Another thing, and I want to bounce off of what Sean said, it's not just sag. I I mean I if I if I went around and graded our landscaping right now, nothing against that. I'd give us a C minus. Okay. Nothing against Sagenol. Nothing against our people does it. It's just a booger to find companies to come in and do that. And it's not just I can tell you that Arlington is having the same problem. All these cities around here is having and they're doing the same thing we're doing trying to find a company that will come in. It's easy to find people to mow your grass, okay, and do a real good job. It's almost impossible to find somebody to do good landscaping and keep it up to date and things like that. And so that's why you see me leaning more to we need to you know don't just do the standard stamp concrete but add I'm not artistic so don't ask me do it but you know get add find somebody who's artistic add some design to that stamped concrete like somebody said put some lizards in it I'm fine with that

and go that to me that's that's what I think needs to be done yeah stamp training Yeah, you know, Paul had a good idea earlier about just doing mixing it up. I think that makes a lot of sense. We get a little of both. I mean, maybe we do it 60/40 or I don't know, whatever. We did have a a combo option that didn't get a lot of votes, but I think people were more focused on one or the other where it did have a border of different shades of colored concrete mixed with like a a more narrow strip of plant.

I mean, I' I'd be doing, you know, a strip of stained concrete and a strip of zeroscape, a strip, something like that, you Here's this like this year you got the zeroscape and instead all of these pebbles which rocks it do the stamp concrete down through there do a beautiful design again mix some lizards in there and then put the plants in between them and so so now all you got to do is deal with where those plants are to me that would be a good compliment you don't have rocks getting dislodged absolutely so combination that makes a lot of sense color stamp you can do type any color you want I mean you make it color to make it. Yeah.

And maybe I mean I know I've seen I've mentioned it before in a meeting that like over in Dallas they've got some um the big concrete medians they put red yuckas all the way through the middle. And so maybe just having an area in the middle where there's some drought tolerant plants but then have the surrounding border kind of like an oval be the stamped concrete with some variations here and there. I mean what Sean what's the maintenance for a red yucker? You'd know better than I. What what is that? Nothing. Yeah, pretty much. I mean the the they do get big and the blooms get tall and then the stocks get they bend over and break off. But I mean that's you're sweeping and picking them up there. So there's not much not much really. Yeah. And the watering's really low. I mean the ones in Dallas I don't even know if they're irrigated. I I would I see a lot of them not even irrigated. Right.

They just grow crazy. Those in pretty um if we do the combination which would be a good compromise. Um, I think it would be really pretty where we have this gravel, have that be the stamped concrete and have it be curving. It would it would be more interesting than just straight lines. Agreed. Of the stamped concrete. So, yeah, I can see how it could be still beautiful. Luckily, it won't be me drawing it because it would be straight lines. Yeah. Uh, okay. I think that's a great compromise. Like you said, you got the feedback you need. Yes, sir.

Okay. If you have any more questions, let us know. But yeah, you've got good feedback. I got the thumbs up from Randy. So,

means we're approved, stamped. Okay. The we have four more slides. So, the next four slides are all going to talk about East Maroy. Um, just to state it clearly, the goal of today is just to remind everyone of what's the status for funding for each phase, what's the condition of each phase, and then look to y'all for some input on next steps. After I get done talking about these four slides, um, I believe Gabe andor Randy is going to talk about some options we may have with some funding. So, we're going to start with the green segment, which is phase 2 A. So this includes the signal at Sagenolon Boulevard um the approach on the west side as well and then it goes to Spring Hollow. We are under design for this phase currently. We are um finishing up our internal QAQC process for 60%. So it'll be submitted this month. So full design is funded for this phase. Um we started that early because of the challenges that we anticipated with railroad textile and property acquisition. So, railroad, we're starting to um figure out the PE agreements, coordinate that with the railroad. Um we're going to plan a diagnostic meeting to make sure that we can design this to meet their standards and their quiet zone standards in case we decide to move forward with the quiet zone. Um after we submit text dot, after we submit 60%, we'll reach out to text dot and start coordinating what type of permit they're going to require. We're optimistic that we can minimize the type of permit they require, but it is up to them ultimately. So it may be a lengthy process. Um and then lastly there there's multiple property acquisitions but one main one and I believe y'all are discussing it in executive session today. So this cost estimate whenever we are finishing this 60% um did remain right at where we estimated it with the CIP update which is 9.5 million which we do not have planned. So that

would in my mind I have heard that it would be um a priority project for a potential bond program. Yes. Uh on the quiet zone uh what's the approximate difference in cost uh if you plan for a quiet zone versus not planning for it? And then one one more caveat. Um, what is the difference in the available grant money that you can get if you plan for a quiet zone versus not? Okay. Um, the the amount of cost associated with the railroad itself is significant. And you'll notice the cost of this segment is almost double the cost of segment one um, which are comparable lengths.

But those are not quiet zone features. They are things you have to do regardless of quiet zone or not. So if you think about the Bailey Boswell corridor or Bailey Boswell crossings, they all have double gates. They have a preemptive signal and they have all the new railroad panels. All of that is at the expense of the city. Um so the actual cost of making it quiet zone um meet quiet zone standards is negligible. Okay.

Um we did look at not putting the quiet zone here and all that meant was removing the raised median. The raised median is just an extra 100 foot of linear curb of curb. So, it's it's honestly could go either way. Um, we've moved towards making it quiet zone eligible. Um, and that was similar or that was tied to the discussion of do we want to make Bailey Boswell a quiet zone which is on the agenda later today as well. Um, did I what was your second question? Oh, the grants. The grants.

I can look into that more. I honestly haven't heard of a lot of grants towards um cities doing quiet zones cuz it's typically the cities that are prompting it. And so I haven't seen um that I've seen a lot of grants moving towards removing um crossings and ele and making elevated crossings um removing at grade crossings. Okay. When we looked in the past about this there were absolutely no course the railroad would not help you with a quiet zone at all. It's the opposite. they charge a lot more and put jump through a lot of hoops. So, we look before we and and this has part of been my initiative to ask us to look at every crossing possible for a quiet zone because

I know trains are here and they're here before us, but anything we can do to alleviate a little bit of that noise is is a positive for us, for businesses, for schools, for everything. So, that's what we're looking at at every crossing. It may not be possible at every crossing and that's okay, but we can at least evaluate. And the one thing you mentioned about the raised uh median and stuff, even if you don't do a a crossing, that makes it safer. that makes it harder for people to cross around like that guy who just got you know killed jumping across a meeting and things. So that anything you can do to help make it a little bit safer.

Well, u the point in asking that question was not even if we put in the uh quiet zone features that doesn't necessarily mean that we have to designate it as a quiet zone. We can just leave it alone and no harm, no foul. And I just wanted to make sure that we weren't spending, you know, that there's 3 million additional to the cost of this section of road just because we want to plan for features of a quiet zone. So that that was my only intent there.

And the the Bailey Boswell one is a good example of that. We designed all of that with the intent of it being quiet zone eligible. Um the IPO we're bringing to you, I can give more detail about it, but there has been a request to make it a quiet zone. Um the only cost we're anticipating is $30,000 of striping and signage to just refresh everything to make it um valid. The only other cost is um the railroad requires that you give each of them $50,000 in case they spend that much reviewing your plans. And if they don't spend it, they'll give it back to you. So the estimated cost is $130,000, but only 30 of it is actual. Um

well, I sure wish somebody give me $15,000. just to look at something 5050. Yeah, it's Yeah, it's a hoot.

Okay, this next slide is still about 2A. So, this is still about the green. Um, we started design on this last year or this year. We are um planning to finish design and all the permitting that's required about summer of 27. We could honestly fasttrack that if we needed to, but I think that tie that plays in really well into us finishing phase three, which is right out here. And then the idea would be that we can roll into East Maroy, whether it's one of the phases on East Maroy or potentially all of the phases of East Macroy, whatever um y'all and the citizens decide. Okay, moving to the blue section, which is 2B. Let me flip my slide. So um the status of this is we have not started design nor do we have funding for construction. The PCI last time we collected was a score of 64 out of 100.

How long ago was that? That was 3 years ago. Um we we just got the contract last council meeting to redo that. So we're getting on the schedule for um I believe it's December or maybe early January. We know that hadn't gone up. No. No. Well, the roads we've touched, the roads we've uh improved have gone up. Mhm.

The cost of this roughly these are just orders of magnitude or the 10 million I do feel confident in. I haven't the 1 million is just an estimate is um for design and construction about um 1 million and 10 million. The challenges on this one are somewhat minimal. I'll say knock on wood. Um there is rightaway acquisition that we would anticipate, but a lot of those parcels are already developed and so the impacts um when we look at them are pretty known from the start and we can predict if it's going to be a major um issue acquiring that right away. Um we do have some flexibility in this portion I would say specifically of um you know do we want to have a a divided section do we want to have a five lane section a fourlane section so we can kind of u manipulate that to um to match the uh appetite for acquiring rightaway.

Yes. Uh does that estimate include s any signals like at macaroy and sansom? It does include a full signal at Macro and Sansson. Okay. Thank you. Yep. Um that PCI64 that's the grade that that portion gets which is not I would have thought it would been much lower. So do you think in three years it could have deteriorated to a big enough extent to make a difference because that does not seem like it would get a 64 to me.

So this portion a majority of this portion was where we um we had a small contract one of my first contracts actually to replace the curb and gutter and then the county came back and did a pulverize and overlay. So that's why this portion actually has decent PCI score. The next portion which is the pink is the portion um that we have a 12 on um out of 100. So yeah it's Yeah. But do you think I think you said that you this was done three years ago. Yes ma'am.

Do you think three years worth of the big semis going back and forth would have reduced that? I do think it's gone down. My personal opinion of driving it, um I probably drive it once a week is that it's held up well. Um before we replace it, Randy had us do a geotech analysis and a pavement recommendation um and and to look at how much pavement we need to handle the trucks. So, what they went back with was a much beefier section of asphalt than um what was what was there before. So, I think it's held up. I mean, if I had to guess, I would think it'd be high 50s. Um, somewhere around there.

I have to drive that every single day, multiple times a day. And 2B is not bad. Yeah, I think it's held up. You think so? No. No, it it's not bad. One is terrible.

Yeah. And so transitioning to one. Um so this is a phase that we also don't have we haven't started design um nor do we have funding for construction. Um and I have previously spoken in terms of this phase kind of being on the back burner because of the optimism I think we kind of all had with um the development. Uh and so I think y'all know more about that than me honestly. But, uh, seeing that that hasn't progressed as we all were, um, planning or hoping for, I do think the urgency is top of the list for, um, how bad and completely failed this pavement is. So,

well, that raises the question though because I think eventually the master plan says it will go through and go to Western Center. Do we want to spend the money on one or do we want to spend the money on the dotted line? I think that's what we really need to talk about because that's where it's going to go. Uh the question is when of course and and the cost as well, but I would be hesitant to pour a lot of money into number one today. Um because I think we're going to go that dotted line route. I can't say when, but sooner than later. Um I've had preliminary discussions with our our county commissioner about that about that property. He's interested for multiple reasons and about that connection there. And I said, "Great. I would love to build it. You want to help me? Do you have any money for that?" He did not get his checkbook, but I think it's a possibility we'd go ask the county for some money for that in the future.

I don't know how much. No idea, but I think that was something could be potentially with a little bit of a partnership. So, that's but that's longer term. I don't know how far out that could be, but that's a possibility. So,

I will point out that you're correct. The MTP the master thofare plan does show the realignment to uh Western Center. However, in the recent years, especially looking at what the was proposed by the development, um it wasn't that we would abandon um the existing alignment of Macroy, it's that it would still exist and perhaps be downsized um or definitely not expanded to like a fourlane divided. So, we had a discussion about that today actually and I think I agree with your logic completely. I think there is somewhat of a counter thought of well it wouldn't be a complete waste because the road would still exist in the long-term future for phase do it just as a much as like a two-lane or something.

You could potentially look into that. Um I mean right the ultimate especially for the realignment um was proposed to be a four-lane divided section with sidewalks on both sides. I think what we have costed here would be to put back um a fourlane undivided. So just four lanes and we would only propose sidewalk on the north side and then we would minimize the amount of like signals. Um the only signal modification I have in here is to modify the approach at 156 to basically add a right turn lane is what I've estimated in the cost.

I see. So, talking about that right-hand turn lane, it would this update fix that massive hole that's right there that the trucks just seem to fall into every time? Yeah, we would potentially need to acquire some rightaway or easement or shift the approach, but yeah, we would and I would hope that if we finish the dotted line section that that that purple section there, that's one would eventually be like a no truck. I mean, I I would hope because it that that turn is so tight. It's it's difficult for trucks to do that without going into multiple lanes of traffic. It's not safe for them and it's not good for the road.

Yeah. I was just going to mention, mayor, council, so uh segments 2B and one are within the boundaries of the turfs. So, if we take these projects to voters, voters approve, we likely could um reduce our issuance and pay it back with TUR money because we've been building up. I think we've got right now about 500,000 some dollars and that'll continue to grow as the value in the TUR is growing. So, that was all by design um to include that because Maroy is needs attention. Yeah, I I can see redoing one basically the exact same it is now, just, you know, fixing it,

which should, but I absolutely will not support the city putting in that unless there's a huge amount of development that's going to pull in tax dollar on that. And from right now, the the company that owns that, we've been in multiple talks with them. I don't see that happening anytime in the future. And unless you build something, I can tell you the residents of Sagenol, that dotted line ain't going to help them any, right? The ones that live over because I live over there. It is more of a regional benefit. Yeah. If you fix one, we're good. I mean,

but yeah, the I wouldn't I wouldn't spend, like I say, I'm okay with, you know, depends on what the county is going to have to give, but it's They're going to have to jump in significantly because this is really that dotted line that's that's uh it's it's always been the city's thing and it's for all all the master that's on them to do. Yeah. Yeah. And they have to pay to put the infrastructure. So, I mean, I'm I'm not going to I'm perfectly happy we're playing the long game because I know all the citizens have lived over, they're perfectly happy with cows and horses eating grass for the next 20 years on.

Yeah, it it's a good point. And the other thing to consider is when that develops, there will be a traffic. It's it's not like it's neutral because when the frontage, you know, and the residential component, it's developers costs are portion. It' be different if that dotted line really helped us uh fix a congested area or something.

Uh one last thing to um we we had talked about approaching the commissioner requesting that you know there may be some discretionary funds which uh part of the bond in 21 we got a match. So I feel like the the commissioner has been friendly to us. In fact, he's participating uh 450,000 in Old Gator North. And I think he's he's said he's an infrastructure guy. He wants to see projects. We're pretty uh you know, we're planning for the future. So, that could be a potential that'll be some discussions here pretty soon that, you know, hopefully we know one way or another we'll be able to share with with voters.

Yeah, I can see a three-way deal between the developer, us, and the commissioner of the county. Absolutely. I had a question and not to step on you at all, but how far out does that TUR go? Specifically, the Falcon development is that included in that? Yeah, it is. So, when that's done, there'll be additional property value from that increase.

That's right. Yeah. So, it's a great point. Uh, and it's a it's a lot about significant amount of value. So, 50% of the value within the boundary of the turfs and our we have one tur non-ontiguous parcels. Um, but Falcon will probably add 20 plus million tactical value. Half of which will stay in the TUR and then half goes to the city. Gabe, we're talking ter. Will you just quickly give us remind folks what the TUR is and what it means?

Yeah. Um, there's a few things that I I feel like in my career I wish we could be done and move on. It started off with the bridge. We opened the bridge. I had hoped to never hear about that again, although I still hear about it. thought we had made changes to carports and I thought, you know, that's behind us. Roundabouts, thank God, appears to be settled for the moment. Here's my here's my speech on the uh the TUR. It's like a savings account. It's a financing tool. So, we've designated a boundary uh of parcels within this boundary and other taxing entities participate. TUR stands for tax increment investment zone. So we're taking a portion of the tax dollars and we're saying within this boundary they have to stay there. So it's it's a savings account that the city participates in at 50% the county participates in at 50% in Taran County College. So we're getting 50% of the taxable value from the county and TCC that we wouldn't get and we're also committing 50% of the city's taxable value to stay uh within the boundaries. It's really useful to redevelop properties. Our only turds expenditures so far have been to remediate the remove the asbestous at the old fire station which is a perfect textbook use of a turfs. You use this financing mechanism to um to encourage development that wouldn't happen. So when you have a blighted property that's just stuck, you use that. What helps us and when we're creating the boundaries of the tur is that we had some areas that we know we don't know when but we know they're going to develop in the future. So, as that value grows, we'll have more capacity to do infrastructure related projects.

Thank you, Dave. Uh, one final thing on this. Um, you said, uh, putting in sidewalks on the northern side of phase one, there would be no reason to actually do that at this point, would there? I mean there's no sidewalk connecting Leavon from Leavon over to Spring Creek. Um correct. So

So yeah, so transparency in the past all of our CIP um conceptual planning level OPCC's have always just as a default included sidewalks on both sides of every road. Um, in the recent years, five years or so, I've looked closer every year at those estimates and thought, does this make sense? Um, so some of the changes I've made, you know, discussed these with Randy, they still can change, but is that I've taken the sidewalks out of industrial for the CIP planning purposes, and I've taken the southern sidewalk out of Macroy on the east side. Um the main reason to keep it in my opinion is that there is the Spring Hollow um division or I don't know the name of the actual subdivision, but

Spring Creek. Spring Creek. Um and so like in phase 2A, we have a sidewalk on the north to make sure that they can connect across the tracks to city facilities. Um I would think similarly with the school um on the east side, the high school that I I do think a sidewalk on the north side may get some usage there. It may not be as highly trafficked, but it wouldn't get any usage because they're going to cut up Leavon to get to the high school. And so, Right. Well, that's Yeah. So, I guess I Mcroy to Leavon, I I can't see a sidewalk

really ever going there until there's development. And at the point that there's development, we could plan for there being expansion of sidewalk at that point, but I I don't see putting it in Yeah. preemptively. I think that's a fair point. That was our conservative um decision was just to include the northwalk. The developer put the sidewalks in as part of the development. Yes, sure. the So, didn't I remember some doesn't this Sagenol Eagle Mountain Sagenol own piece of that land there? And there was talk at one time about building a middle school or something over there.

It's on the other side.

North end of Leavon on the west side. So my point with the with the tur and with Falcon being in there is it's really beneficial that we help them finish that right as we get out of the way as much as possible because I mean the sooner that we can start collecting and and getting the interest on that money I mean it's just going to compound. So uh it'll help with if not phase two be phase one for sure. Yep. I think I mean we touched on everything else. I will just say the other challenge I had listed on here would be um the tech stock coordination. So just if we do have to modify that signal to make sure it has the appropriate um approach in the right turn lane, there would most likely be a permit or something that needs to be acquired. So the next step is blank intentionally. I think you know we've had a lot of the discussion Gabe that we were hoping to have today but were you looking for any further um discussion or direction about moving forward?

Yeah, I mean so um what we wanted to hear from you is we have some amount of money available where we could begin design on another phase based on condition. The worst phase is um phase one. So if it's your desire, I think we can bring a design contract court, get that started as preparation for, you know, if we go to voters in May, we can we've already got it on design under design. Uh because it's it's just going to have have to happen anyway. We've got the money there. Um yeah, that was kind of a thought. So that's what we're

So for clarification is the design for 2A is funded. Yes. Okay. So we're just talking about either 2B or one or both is what we're talking about. Correct. Correct. Okay. Just the design piece right at this point. Yeah. Yep. So you briefly mentioned industrial. Where are we at with that? We're going to go to bond and we need to have our ducks in a room by was it February? Mhm. to call the election. Yeah. I mean, if we if we start talking about bonds,

then I need a thorough at least for myself to get behind in definitely any robot a a thorough down understanding of exactly what roads are going to be doing for bond and also too any other roads or any other thing in which we're going to incur debt. Not not just a bond. I mean to me the only difference between a bond and debt is one has to go to the uh voters and the other don't every one of them end up in a a a an increase if you will of of debt which will have a impact on the citizens. So I can't I have to have the whole picture. I mean you know every single thing.

So uh I can answer some of that kind of briefly and then we'll circle back maybe our next meeting. Um the thought based on pavement condition is that we would bring industrial and east maroy to voters design and construction. Total that's 41 million. Is that correct? Industrial and east macroy. No it'd be less. Um with phase one being this alignment. Okay. It would be 35. So So industrial and B2 I mean 2B. No, that includes the one as well. Yeah.

One one 2B and industrial. So, we're kind of holding off on industrial because um contrary to popular belief, we don't try to piss everyone off all at once, just in small doses. So, industrial the corner is under construction now by fuel city text. So, um you know,

I did have a hidden slide here. I I think we're working from PDF, so I don't have it, but I have the information for industrial is the PCIs range from 35 to 55. Um I think those are probably deteriorating much quicker. Um because that pavement like that concrete once it goes downhill, it goes downhill quick. Um the total cost for phase one and phase two of industrial is 10 million. Each phase is 5 million. So I have a question then. Um, we're talking about the potential of starting design using TUR funds. We could

So, just to clarify and Kim, uh, let me know, we have enough money in savings from other projects if we, uh, catch a lucky streak and our construction bids come in favorable on this section of Maroy, that's all money to the good that we could roll into other design. We have money on hand where we could do design for phase one of macaroy but not two. Right. So we've got about 800,000. I think all total is what 530 and the other a million. When you say phase one are you talking about the the I guess you call it pink pink. Yeah

the pink. It's that eastern mole section that is I think literally the worst pavement in the city. It's bad. The question that I had is we're going to spend that money and then we talked about potentially doing a bond would be for design and construction. Correct. So,

so, so what we would do uh is bring an amount to voters that were confident we can finish a project. My preachy gripe about some cities is they you don't want to go back and keep asking. You just anger people. But the reality is we don't have to issue everything and as the TUR builds especially on those projects we could pay for uh we could issue the bonds but pay it back with the uh TUR money for the sections that are eligible and it has no tax rate impact

right but I mean really there's no difference I mean the only difference is it might speed the timeline up a bit is that what we're talking about here is but because we'll have a design instead of having to do wait for the design after the bomb gets voted on. That is a factor certainly. Yeah. Because we we've got money available now that we should move streets then they need attention and and that's just not our city, that's every city. So that's that's that was my main main question was like okay if we delay then we're just looking at the road getting way worse is basically what we're looking at.

Yeah. I think it's twofold. I think just the sense of urgency with how bad it is. And then I talked about the timeline that's the the proposed timeline for 2A which would be starting in 2028. My thought is if everyone's kind of moving in the same direction of let's bite off a bigger chunk of East Maroy to start all at once get some um savings with cost of magnitude order of magnitude then we do need to it would be nice to get started on phase one sooner than later to coordinate that with texttop. So you had said earlier on phase two that the design was that the one that you said the design for 1 million was just a a ballpark, right?

Okay. So could we get a more firm number and if it's that's less than the 800 spend the money on that instead of one? I I would be against that because I I want phase one dealt with as soon as possible. It takes a four-wheel drive vehicle to barely get over it right now. We we we got to we got to deal with that section. Nick, I mean, how do you feel about that? Cuz that's that's the one that you were saying you didn't want to spend a dime on. So, no, I'm the dotted section. Okay. So, you would be you would be in favor with one. Okay. I just wanted to make sure. I was driving my wife's car the other day, ran down, and a semi truck drove over top of me.

I know it's bad. And now and now you also got people that that kind of ride the middle to avoid the bumps and then it's safety hazard. So it's bad. You know, I'm I'm in favor of that as long as we it's a paired down road assuming we're going to have a dotted line road eventually. That's that's the plan. So it's not a full-fledged Okay. Yeah. Yeah. So remove the sidewalks. It's going to be the same size it is now. We're not making it We're not expanding it. It's just I believe it's four 12T lanes right now. Sometimes it feels like 11t lanes with those semiis. So it it I would make it four 12T lanes cuz we got to be careful about making it just taking her down to two-lane road because there's going to be semi truck come down there to make a right to go to 820. Yeah.

And if you make it a two-lane road, you're creating problems. Agreed. And no sidewalk anyway to no sidewalks. Kim Kim mentioned that, you know, once we um award construction contracts for this phase right out, we may have savings too that we could roll in for further design. So, but I still think starting some design the worst first is the right call just to get things going. Yeah. I mean, if we've got real close to enough to do one as is, I mean, it won't be too long before we could just go ahead and bring that to council so we could vote on it at some point in near future. For one or for 2B? Uh, for one.

Yeah. Well, I believe is Gabe, where are we ending up? Is it like the next council meeting or the next few if y'all are ready to move, we can bring design for phase one um a design contract? Um get that going and then we'll just kind of wait the next few months. So yeah. Yeah, Mary, go ahead. Yeah, you're good. Okay, I think you have direction. Okay, thank you all. Thanks, Trenton. All right. Uh 3F car. So can any resident speak on the map?

You can. Yeah. All right. Sorry, guys. I'm gonna try to remember to breathe on this one. All right. Um, Miss M Mr. Randy, on that water line that's there on on section three of uh Mroy that's in front of here, the water line that's in between where the fire station is and nullles that is going to be kind of in place of the trees. That's an existing water line. Correct. Correct. How much more lifespan does the city expect on that water line? like will it need to be replaced five years from now or expanded into a 18 inch or you know the expect to see a PVC popping. Okay. And that's PVC.

All right. All right. I've spoken a lot about these dang trees, but I do just want to remind y'all we're taking out a lot of landscaping. You don't hear about it from me. You're going to hear about it from all the seniors that live across the street. They're going to want landscaping replaced. Like Mr. Gabe said, the whole reason why we're putting a median in on this section is for beautifification. So, I really don't like being up here saying we don't need to overspend on one thing and then saying let's go for the gold on the other thing, but it's in front of all of our city properties. Stamped concrete looks cool, but it's very flat. If you go look at the new roundabout at Nolles and WJ Boas, there's tons of truck tire marks all over the stamped concrete. I think it needs a little dimension. Fort Worth has done some rock gardens. There's one that you can see on Basswood right in front of the Santa Fe trails. Maybe add a little bit of height um roof snow in North Richland Hills. They did a recessed area with pave stone. I'm not even I don't even know if we really need the median at this point. There's been so much discussion about how much to spend on the landscaping in the middle and the 10-year span of it. The section that's in between the new fire department and nullles is is yay wide. I went to the meeting so I saw this zoomed in CAD cam images. The section that is wide like the picture examples have shown is from right about here in front of city hall in front of the garden down to the new fire department. From the fire department to nulls there's not even going to be a turn on the lefthand side. I really don't know why we need a median but if we're going to do it I don't think we should cheap out on it. Um, and uh, yeah, that's what I got on that one.

All right. Thanks, guys. I have one more question. I know we want to move on. Go for it. But Randy, would it be possible since we're going to be tearing up the road anyway to cap that line and put a new line under the road or near the road if we got rid of the median and bypass those trees with the water line. So that way we're replacing the water line at the same time, but not budging with the trees. Just cap it and leave it. No, we that's that we we've had that line put in just to make connectivity for our system. I mean, we couldn't just cap that line. It's a 12 in big bank in our system, right? But we couldn't like reroute it and then you're getting underneath the road or getting underneath, right?

To replace the line for that limit would be about a million dollars, right, for a 12-in show. And are we doing that anyway when we do the trees or are we just tearing the trees out, leaving the line as So the proposed plan is to remove the trees, leave the line. Okay. The alternative of no raised median where the road would be narrower and so the line would still be well away from the um road would be um there would be the trees on top of the line and so we would we would then cap the line and move it into the road. Right. Yeah.

So we could do that. We could do that um as well. U but it's a million dollars and because it's PVC, we're not as worried about the actual lifespan of the line. We're worried about the trees um interfering with maintenance and causing issues with the line. Okay. All right. So, moving on. Uh we are to 3F just so Mayor before we get started on 3F, can I have the floor for a second because if you're going to talk about something that's something that's on the agenda. Not right there. 3F. I'm going to talk about Okay, that's fine. No, I I was going to say I was going to let you talk anyhow, but Oh, okay. But we brought this up and it was my idea to bring to council so we have an open uh meeting discussion. So, but go ahead.

So, uh Paul, Sean and myself had had been working on this ordinance and we had come up with some uh recommendations and we have submitted them to Bren our our lawyer. uh we have not gotten the you know the the uh lawyer proofed back. Uh he told me that thanks he'll have it done by end of next week. So there's really nothing for us to discuss here because we don't have anything to present because we haven't gotten that back. So I you want to bump it to the next meeting?

Yes. I want to I want to officially move this or table this until we get the ordinance complete and back from uh our law office. Bren, do we need to table it officially or since it's we're not taking we're what what how should we deal with this? It's really at council's discretion. It doesn't need a formal tableing frankly because this is just a a discussion. All right. And and I'm happy moving at the next meeting. That's fine. I just want to make sure we do a public discussion. I've heard a lot of offline discussions on this and I want us to make everything transparent and in public. I don't want to violate any open record meeting act issue. So, please be careful discussing this offline, but let's get our information and come back next time to talk about it. That sound good?

I mean, yeah. But well, let's uh as far as discussing u in open session, there there's there's, you know, us making a changed ordinance. We we can talk to any me as a council member. Any of the council members can talk to any citizen about a change, something that they want or something that's needed, things like that. But we can't have four council members talking about it offline. That's right. Actually, there's not been, like I said, it's been me, Sean, and u and Paul. Haven't talked to any of the other council members. And and before we get too far far along on that offline discussion, I want the entire council to be involved and have a bite at this apple.

Well, once we get something, like I said before, once we get something that is worth bringing before council, we was going to. We're following the actual process. Okay. Um, nobody, you know, we we've been open session, right? Brent, I've talked to Brent. Everything we're doing is above board. We're not in a smoky blur room trying to talk about this. Okay. All right. So, let's let's bump this. We don't have table. Let's just bump it to the next council meeting. Could I ask just for one one point of clarification, please? Just so I know just just for staff's perspective.

We're going to I'll prepare the ordinance. It's not complicated. Um, and then the ordinance because it's a zoning ordinance amendment in order to be enacted, it has to go through PNZ, right? But we're not saying we send it to P&Z first and then council. No, we should get get what you got done so that we have something to talk. We'll bring it up in open session so every then it gets presented to the whole council. Citizens then can come in also at the same time they get to talk about it. If there's any changes from the whole council at that time, of course, go back to you. you make those modifications and then it will go to PNZ to be voted upon. Then it'll come back to us to be voted upon. Thank you for the That's the actual policy. That's the way it's supposed to work, right? Correct. Correct. Okay, we're good.

Okay, moving on. So, we'll see that see that again. So, let's go to 3G presentation. Open rewards shop local program. Pedro.

Good evening, Mayor Council. My presentation is not as exciting as Trent with the pink one line that feels like uh the roller coaster at six flags. So, we'll just move on to something a little bit less fun but still very interactive is the shop local shop sagal uh portion of economic development where we want to support all local businesses and one of those was the open rewards program that we discussed during the budgeting process. Uh so it is funded uh thanks to y'all uh through the budget from economic development escrow account and shoppers can earn 5% in our local businesses. Currently on the list of participating businesses it's 43 businesses. 19 of those are restaurants. Uh we just had a new uh ribbon cutting for one just yesterday. So if you go check them out. Other communities that are doing this is North Bronin Hills, Wataga, Keller, and South Lake. So, we're not just by ourselves in uh doing so. As you can tell, NRH and Wataga were part of the same chamber of commerce. So, this is kind of how we heard about it uh as well. So, it's pretty well programmed. How does it work? So, you have to download the app and create an account. Then, you visit one of the 43 participating businesses. Then, you shop there. And for example, I'm going to use Joe's cuz I went to Joe's today. Uh I pay, get a receipt, I take a picture with the app. It will go to the cloud as everybody likes to say. Uh and then I'll earn rewards. Then if I want to use those rewards, for example, can use Joe's again, and I want to use my rewards towards my purchase, I just take a picture of the receipt again and claim my rewards. and you could use rewards only in those 40 43 businesses that we have. Uh those businesses were selected because during the budgeting process I think it was uh noted that we wanted to do local mom and pops first. So we could always expand it to all the businesses

in Sagonal which is something that we could discuss at a later time. Oh, and uh if you didn't like my explanation, uh you could have do we have how-to videos on our website uh just there slashopenrewards and that's actually a picture of the app itself. Uh and we next slide. So if we're investing money, I want to be able to bring y'all data back and to let y'all know that the money of the taxpayers that you are investing into this program is being used wisely. So, every month I'm going to be submitting something similar to this, showing this is a sample one that we got from the vendor showing how many people are using it, what businesses are being used, where locations on the city are being used. Um, yeah, I think I'm almost done with my presentation now. We're going to have room for questions, but I actually want to challenge the council on this open rewards program. Uh, there's seven of y'all. I want to have each one of y'all download it and let's see and maybe in about six months we'll see which is the council member that has the highest rewards. So, we'll see that uh this challenge so we could uh see which is I don't know. We'll we'll figure that one out. Bragging rights, I'm assuming. Uh but uh I just want to note that again the 43 businesses that are there now, we could always expand at a later time. That's definitely a discussion. So that's that's my presentation short and sweet. Oh, I wouldn't note that uh uh I haven't visited all 43 yet, but each one of the businesses is going to be having one of these little tents. I would like to note that the new shop local shop sagal logos right there. Uh you received one magnet in your uh mailbox

and just the flyer as well. So with that, I'll take any questions. If not, let's just run to my seat. I just wanted to say that uh when you released this on Facebook, it it got a lot of uh positiveness and a lot of people seem to be uh very positive about it. So, it's good. Yeah. Um other cities that I listed here also received the same positive uh comments from their residents. So, I was like I wouldn't have suggested this otherwise. Helps bring in more sales tax as well. It sure does. That's the goal. Thank I was excited yesterday at the new sushi place. They already had the tents up. They're part of the program ready to go. So, yeah, I'll be I need to get that log. We'll be in there as soon as I get Anna. That's That's good.

And I would state the first hundred people in the city who sign up for this get rewards $10 automatically except for me and uh Benjamin because somehow we missed that. So, we'll have to talk to the vendor on that about that. But, thank you. All right. Thanks, Scott. Thank you. All right. Moving to where four business 4A consideration action regarding resolution 202519 authorizing the casting of the city's allocated votes for the appointment of Tarant appraisal district. It says me but I'm going to throw it to B. Let you drive this. You Brack has some information and some some thoughts.

So um so I made the motion that we table this until this meeting. And one of the reasons I wanted to do that is I wanted to give the larger entities an opportunity to show their hand. And if there was a clear front runner, um, then we could kind of help put some support behind number two and number three, whoever we wanted, uh, out of those two to kind of bring it up. Um, it looks like the voting is pretty pretty even among three people. Uh, so I want to make the recommendation that we throw our support behind Eric Cra, who was here last time, uh, and was here the previous year. Um he's been very uh forthcoming with us and u trying to earn our vote and which is a total of six out of

a lot a lot. I've forgotten how many but it's thousands and he's he's wanting our support for six and I I think we ought to give it to him. And he did send an email today saying hey I can't make it tonight but I would appreciate your support. Yeah. Any thoughts comments on that? I really like that he spearheaded the the finding the the errors. Um, you know, that and and the open communication that he's had. I think that that's that's even more reason for us to vote for him. Yes. A couple times. Yeah.

But there's there's two positions open. There's two positions open. Is that right? But are we supposed to vote for two different people or we can put them all? We only have six votes, right? And and we can we can allocate it. Uh we can vote for three people. We can vote for one person. It it doesn't matter. We just allocate the vote. I would agree with Eric. Also, I would highly recommend we put our after one person because we just don't have that many votes. So agree. I will entertain a motion then. Mayor, I'll make a motion that we uh cast our votes for Eric Crow. I'll second.

Okay. Motion passes. Good luck to Mr. Carl. Thank you for that doing your homework, Brack. I appreciate the info, sir. All right. 4B. consideration action regarding award of bid for Old Decicator North Project. Trenton,

yes, thank you, mayor. Um, we spoke about this earlier. Uh, we got really good bids for this. Um, staff and I are familiar with DDM Construction. So, their low bid of 4,352, $144 is what we're recommending for award. Any questions, comments for Trenton? Just com I I submitted a question and I got the answer back about the liquidated damages. There was a lot of heat because of the delays on NLES and I want the citizens of Sagod to know that you know if this goes beyond we want to get some money back.

Y so I said one question the we had one alternate and the alternates included. Is that correct? Yes. Yeah. So, I've been speaking in terms of including the base pit and the alternate, right? Yep. Yeah. The as is typical with our streets projects, there's drainage issues here. Um, by improving the drainage, we actually are going to improve the developable space. So, I think it it's a it's a good solution. Other questions, comments, folks? If not, I'll entertain a motion. Mayor, I make a motion we approve item 4B for the Old Decator North project. I'd

second. Make second. All right. Please cast your votes. Yay. Bra says yay. Okay. All right. Motion passes. All right. Let's get let's going on that. I'm excited. It's a good project. We need to make that happen. Thank you, Trenton. All right. 4C, considering action regarding individual product order, Beverly Bosle quiet zone establishment. Trenton.

Yes. So, we also spoke about this earlier. So the IPO we're bringing to you today is for um 33,000 and that's to coordinate with the railroad and redesign um the necessary striping and signage updates that will be required. So the OPCC for the the improvements and the coordination with the railroad is an additional 130,000 but that would come later if we were to award the project and get permitted by the railroad. Questions for Trenton? Go ahead, Mary. Sure.

Yes. Every time a quiet zone comes up, I let people know that I'm philosophically opposed to quiet zones for safety reasons. So, my vote no on this will not be a reflection of Kimley Horn. It will just be that uh since we are our job is to look out for the health, safety and welfare of our residents. Um that comes into play there and that's why I'm opposed. Thank you. Any other questions, comments? If not, I will entertain a motion on 4C. Mayor make a motion. Oh, go ahead. We approve as presented for the quiet zone.

Okay. Yeah. Make second. Okay. All right. Motion passes. Thank you guys. Thank you Trenton. Appreciate that. All right. We are at the end of the regular session. We do have an agenda item. So we will at 7:50. So we'll exit into executive session pursuit of Texas government code 551072 deliberation regarding retail property. We will turn to ajourn.

What does it say? 8:15. Okay. At 8:15, we're back in regular session. I'll entertain a motion to adjurnn. Mayor, make a motion. We adjourn. Rack. That was simultaneous. Please cast your votes. Look, I'm really good. All right, cast your votes. Next vote.

Okay.