Housing, Urban Development and Zoning - Regular Meeting

and please restrain from side conversations during an individual's testimony. These requests are made so we can accurately record the information and hear from those giving testimony. When each address is called by the hearing secretary, I ask that the applicant or representative indicate you are present. I will then ask you to state your name and your address for the record. After a time of questions with the applicant, I will call for testimony from any persons in favor of the application. Then I will ask for testimony from any persons in opposition to the application. Following today's hearing, our office will make a recommendation to the board of public service, which is a separate department here at the city. They will make the final determination as no decision will be made here today. Therefore, you are welcome to leave or stay on the call and listen. The board of public service will notify the applicant by mail regarding the findings of your conditional use permit. Deborah, will you read the first case, please?

Yes. 4117 GO Avenue, AH1334-26, zone B 2 family dwelling district, W 11. Do I have anybody here for 4117 GO Avenue? Uh, Terrell Owens present. Can I get a mailing address for you, please? Uh 4117 Gano Avenue. Do you want to explain a little bit about your business?

Um yeah. No, I recently started a general contracting uh business uh to help facilitate um you know, rebuilding homes in the area. Um I'm operating it out of my home just cuz it is a small business uh for administrative purposes. Um, so just no kind of like retail operations are going on, like no construction um is actually being performed, but it's just to operate the the business out of there. Um, just so that way I can start the business and get it off the ground. Okay. Will you have anybody working with you? Uh, no ma'am. Are you doing rehab work or new construction or some of both? Uh, majority rehab work.

Okay. How long have you done this type of work? Uh for the last 12 plus years I've worked for some larger developers uh during multifamily and uh I just decided to uh venture off on my own come back to St. Louis um to kind of just help rebuild um you know what's happened over the last you know year with the tornado and everything just you know a lot of larger companies are dealing with the larger homes um so I'm focused more majority in that area uh by Fairground Park um and some of the smaller homes that need repairs. Okay. Let's see. Do you have any special training, licensing, or certificates?

Um, as far as that, I've had um just a multifamily um so I'm certified multif family manager. Um and then from my previous job with the developer, I've taken, you know, several of courses um with them just to be um as far as like inspections um how to do general like building um or whatnot. I've taken those courses as well. Okay. What will you dispose of construction debris um offsite? Um nothing will be disposed of onsite. So just at um you know definitely landfills that accept uh commercial debris.

Okay. How are you going to advertise? Um just online. Um yeah, no postings or anything in the neighborhood. I don't have any vehicle decals um or anything like that and majority by word of mouth. Okay. What kind of tools and equipment will you use? Um just regular hand tools. Um you know drills, um miter saws, um you know, ladders, just general hammers, screws. Nothing will be stored outside your house. Uh no, ma'am. Yes. Have you reached out to your alderman or neighborhood association?

Um, I have not talked to either the alderman or the neighborhood association. I've just talked to uh several neighbors. Um, on there's only about three um occupied homes at the moment. Um, so I've talked to all three of those uh residents and they are aware um that I'm, you know, looking to operate the business out of the home and they thought it was a really good idea just because they've actually grew up in that area. Um, so they're excited to see somebody, you know, local, um, you know, work on homes in the area and kind of just bring it back to life. Um, as fairground is, you know, it is a nice neighborhood or it can be. Um, so they're actually excited to have somebody, you know, that they could actually utilize themselves.

Okay, good. Okay, these are questions we ask everybody. Will the use be detrimental to the public health, safety, morals, or general welfare? Uh, no, ma'am. Will the use cause serious injury to the neighboring property by hindering use or reducing our parent property values? No. Is there anything else you'd like to add? Um, as we kind of just mentioned, my goal is to just operate the small business um in a professional manner um as a homebased contracting business. You know, there I don't believe there would be any negative uh impact on the neighborhood while allow me to grow and contribute um to improving, you know, housing in the St. Louis area. Thank you very much.

Yes. Is there anybody here in support of this application that would like to speak? Is there anybody opposed to this application that would like to speak? We'll call this hearing heard. Thank you, Mr. Deborah. Will you read the next case, please? Sure. 5200 Shaw Avenue AOP 13297-26 zone F neighborhood commercial district ward five

do I have anybody here for 5200 Shaw Mr. Kadana, it's star six to unmute.

There we go. Hello. Hi, Mr. Karadonna. Can I get your name and a mailing address? Yes. Anthony Keradana, 2307 Edwards Street, St. Missouri 63110. Do you want to explain what you're doing here?

Yes. I'm opening up a bar in the big club hall. Um been there since 1897, but it hasn't been a bar in over 50 years. And uh I was in the business before semi-retired, but I met the uh owner of the building six, eight months ago. And uh I mean it's just a it's just a historic historic bar and uh it's on the bottom floor of a two-story building and it's a 30 seat bar and uh I'd like to reopen it. Did you say it hasn't been a bar in 50 years? Correct.

Oh wow. Okay. How big is the bar? Uh it seats 30 people. So seats 30. Okay. Are you going to have any cooking or outside seating? No. Okay. How many employees do you anticipate having? You know, it's just going to be me at the beginning and then I'll probably get a couple of part- timerrs. Okay. Do you have any off- streetet parking spaces? Off streetet? Yes, we have a dozen. Um, okay.

A dozen in the uh back parking lot. You said it's inside a hall, right? I'm sorry, what? It's inside of a hall. Well, it's a, you know, 130 year old building. Um, so it is inside the twotory building. Yes. Okay. What will your days and hours of operation be? Yeah, right now I'm looking at Tuesday to Friday 3:30 to 9:30. Saturday noon to 9, Sunday noon to 6.

Do you anticipate ever expanding those hours? Not right now. No. Okay. The reason I asked that Yeah. The reason I asked that is you would have to come back here if those were the hours you want to be locked into. So what would be your ideal hours? Yeah, just what I stated with the ideal hour. There's not going to be any late night stuff. It's uh in a neighborhood that you know, nobody's open late and uh and I don't plan to be open late. So that you know 9 9:30 is going to be it. Yeah. Okay. Do you have access to a commercial dumpster? I do. Okay.

Are you going to have to make any structural alterations to the restaurant? No. Are you going to post signs outside? No. If you do post any signs, you need to get a permit for them. Okay. Okay. How many exits does does the bar have? exits uh three three. Okay. Is it handicap accessible? It is. Okay. Have you had any inspections done yet?

Yes, actually. Um almost everybody came out. Um I have one more thing to do with the health. I have one thing to do with the fire and that's it. Everybody else has signed off. Okay. Have you reached out to your alderman, our neighborhood association for their support? Yeah, I have. I talked to Mr. Devote and he's fine with it. He and then I have a meeting on April 8th with Hill 2000, which is the uh neighborhood association and u everything. Okay. Going along.

All right. So, these are questions we have to ask everybody. Okay. Will the use be detrimental to the public health, safety, morals, or general welfare? No. Will the use cause serious injury to the neighboring property by hindering use or reducing our parent property values? No. Is there anything else you'd like to add? Um, no, I don't think so. I just um pretty excited about um bringing this place back for the neighborhood. Yeah, sounds nice. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Is there anybody here in support of this application that would like to speak?

Is there anybody opposed to this application that would like to speak? Okay, we'll call this hearing her. Thank you. Deborah, will you please read the next case? 1500 Lafayette Avenue, AOP 13267-26, zone H, Area Commercial District 48. Do I have anybody here for 1500 Lafayette? Yes. Matt Herren with AT Still University. Okay. Can I get a mailing address for you?

Yeah, my office address is 800 West Jefferson in Kirksville, Missouri. Okay. Do you want to explain a little bit of what you're doing here?

Yeah, we recently just purchased the the former F field food building over in Lafayette Square or Park area. Um we are a health sciences university running a dental clinic out of 1500 park. Um this 1300 Lafayette site was just a good kind of con contiguous uh property for us to purchase and use for our operations. Um, at this point we just plan to use it as storage, some some maybe some light fitness for students and activities and then uh some gathering space for possibly graduations or community events, that kind of thing.

Okay. And what part of the building how how are you going to separate the storage and the assembly hall? Uh, I think right now I mean we've got there well there's already pre-existing walls because it was a former grocery store. So basically the storage area would be behind those walls where they used to put store food and things like that. Okay. Are you going to hold any classes here? Uh, not now. Um, we're potentially looking to put some educational programming in that facility down the road, but at this point it's not in our plans. What other activities will be conducted here?

Uh we'd like to have, you know, potentially like a pickle ball type thing or a little bit of a walking facility for um for students and and for uh for faculty. Uh we'd like to use it as an assembly hall. Uh we'd like to do a community event here in the next couple of of months with with that neighbor neighborhood. Uh just to kind of create relationships and tell about what we're doing and what we'd like to accomplish and what the community needs. Okay. Do you know how many people the hall can accommodate? Uh, I don't know. Tony's on this call. I don't know if Tony knows that or not. We'll we'll come to him afterward. Okay. Yeah. I don't know that off the top of my head now.

Okay. Do you know how many exits that occupants would have access to? One, two, I can think of three off the top of my head, but again, Tony or Kathy on this call would be able to answer that. The next question is about parking and I know you have enough parking so more than enough. Thank goodness. Parking lot. Yes. What type of seating will you provide? Will it be fixed auditorium or multi-purpose with movable seats? It would be movable.

Do you have any idea what your hours of operation would be? Yeah, I think Kathy or Tony are on this call. They'll be able to answer that. I think you know obviously business hours for sure but with some extended opportunities in the evening for you know community gatherings. Okay. Are you doing any interior alterations to the building? Yeah, I mean we've cleaned it up quite a bit already just based on uh on its prior use. Didn't fit our use. Um but yeah, there'll be quite a few more tenant improvements as things as time goes on. If if you do any anything structural, you'll need a building permit for that. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Are you going to post any outside signs?

I think we'll put a sign on the building itself. Um, but I don't think there'll be anything other than that. All right. Make sure you get a sign permit for that. Okay. Yes. Perfect. We'll do. Thank you. Are you going to have any cooking or concessions? Uh, not that I'm aware of. Tony can correct me later if I'm wrong. Okay. Are you going to have employees in the building? Yes, we will. We will. We've talked about housing certain departments out of the building. So whether it be, you know, obviously somebody that's overlooking the site, but we've talked about putting maintenance in our facilities crew over there as well. Do you have any idea how many people that would be? I wouldn't be, it wouldn't be many. I'd say right now, you know, a handful. Half a dozen dozen at the most would be my guess. Okay.

Do you have access to a commercial dumpster? Uh Tony can answer, but I think the answer is yes. Okay. Have you had any health and safety inspections done yet? Uh, I think we've had the city come by, the fire department, I think, came by. I think we've had a structural come by. Okay. They all did. So, I got a letter of support from your alder woman Jamie Cox and Twi. Yes. So these are questions we ask everybody. Will the use be detrimental to the public health, safety, morals, or general welfare?

No. Quite the opposite. Will the use cause serious injury to the neighboring property by hindering use or reducing nonparent property values? No. Is there anything else you'd like to add? Uh, thank you for the opportunity. Thank you. Is there anybody else here in support of this application that wants to speak? Is there anybody opposed to this application that wants to speak?

Can we get Tony to answer a couple questions? Certainly. Sure. I might need backup, but that's okay. Can I get your name and a mailing address? Tony Magaliano, 5845 East. Steel Circle, Mesa, Arizona. Okay. Um, do you know the hours of operation roughly? Yeah, we've been doing just regular business hours that 9 to5 9 to six. 9 to5. Okay. I think that's all I had a question about. That's it. Thank you. Thank you.

Is there anybody else that would like to speak? Is there anybody opposed to this application? Okay, we'll call this hearing heard. Thank you. Thank you for your time. Thank you. Deborah, will you read the next case, please? Yes. 3610 South Broadway, first floor, AOP13316-26, zone J, Industrial District, W 8. Do I have anybody here for 3610 South Broadway? Hey. Yes. My name is Alexis Lloyd, owner of ABC Learning Academy.

Can I get a mailing address for you? Yes. 36 Sand South Broadway, St. Louis, Missouri 63118. You want to explain what you're doing here? Yes. Um, I'm here requesting approval to operate a childc care center at 3610 South Broadway. My goal is to provide a safe structure and reliable environment for children, especially for families who work even in night shift and long shifts. Is there currently a daycare at this location? Um previously in the past it had been a um daycare but right now um I have been working at that facility getting things together to um operate there.

Okay. What's the age range of the children you plan to keep? Um 6 weeks to 10 years old. How big is the building? 27 um square foot. 2700 square foot. Okay. How are you going to separate the children by ages? So, um the infants will have their own area. The two-year-olds will have their own area and then I have two additional areas that hold 17 kids each. So, um it'll be like three, five, six, and then it'll have the older um kids on the other side. How many children do you plan to keep?

This um building itself holds 50 kids. Okay. Is that the state set that? Yes, ma'am. Okay. How many employees do you anticipate having? Um I know um a total of eight um for mornings. Okay. So it' be two caregivers per um every eight kids. Two for every eight children. Yes, ma'am. Okay. What are the days and hours of operation you're going to work? Um, we 24 hours, seven days a week.

Okay. Are you going to provide meals? Yes, ma'am. Um, we won't be doing no cooking at the facility, but we will be preheating um pre-cooked food. Okay. Heating up food. Yes, ma'am. Will you provide any transportation? Um, right now I haven't, but in the future that is something that I will look into to um help families that will be will need transportation to get to and from daycare. Okay. Do you have a parking lot?

I do. Um I do have like a side parking lot and also I um had got it was a bus stop in front of the place of business. I had worked with the city to get that bus stop removed and the no parking sign removed from in front of the business. So I can um have additional parking space for parents to safely drop off their kids um throughout um operation. Okay, good. Will there be an area for the children to play outside?

Yes, ma'am. It's a large um backyard um that um hold almost I will say 50 kids. The backyard is um is super big. The um infant area of course have the like the Tyler area of course have like they separation from the older kids. So it's a large back. Yes, ma'am. Is it fenced in? Yes, ma'am. It's completely fenced in all the way around. Okay. Is the main is the main entrance in the front of the building? Yes. How many exits do you have in there? Um, I have a total of three exits. Okay.

I will actually no four exit cuz in the infant rooms it's a total of three exits. I have one on the side and then I have two front doors that could be exit in entering in and coming out. It' be two exits. Okay. Is there do you have the um excuse me stumbling over my words. Do you have access to a commercial dumpster? Yes, ma'am. I do have one currently already on site. Okay. Are you going to post any signs?

Um, no. The only sign that I have is um just a little sign on on the building itself. It's not no nothing like extra or anything like that. It's just a basic sign just stating 24 hours, you know, seven days a week in the ABC Learning Academy logo. All right. You're going to need to get a permit for that. Okay. Okay. Anything Anything that advertises your business that's outside will need a permit. Okay, sounds great. Thank you for I'm sorry. Have you had health and safety inspections done yet?

So, I have passed my fire inspection. Um I haven't had um I also um did the occupi um permit inspection as well. The only thing that I'm currently waiting on is plumbing because it was something um that had to be um corrected. But after plumbing um fix that then I will um pass my AI sleep permit and then I will move forward with health and um sanitation. Okay. So I have a letter I have a letter of support from your older woman. So these are questions we ask everybody. Will the use be detrimental to the public health, safety, morals or general welfare?

No. Will the use cause injury to the neighboring property by hindering use or reducing arpair and property values? No. Is there anything else you'd like to add? Um, I would just like to say thank you for your time and consideration. I am committed to operating a safe, high quality childcare center and being a positive a positive addition to the community. Thank you. No problem. Thank you so much for your time today.

Thank you. Is there anybody here in support of this application that would like to speak? Is there anybody here opposed to this application that would like to speak? We'll call this hearing heard. Thank you. Deborah, will you please read the next case? 4476 shuttle Avenue, AB589304-26, zone F, neighborhood, commercial district 49. Do I have anybody here for 4476 Shoto Avenue? Darcy Heiny present.

Can I get a mailing address for you? 4476 Shodto, St. Louis, Missouri 63110. You want to explain a little bit of what you're doing here?

Sure. Um, I am the proprietor of Fiddlehead Fern Cafe in the Shaw neighborhood and Fern Grove coming to 4476 Shodo at the corner of Shodo and Taylor. Um Fred Lafner, Pat McVey are both here representing City Rice Development, the property owner, and Ed Heiny is the project architect. He's also present. Um, we're requesting the approval of a walk up window on the Taylor Avenue side of the building to support pedestrian traffic and also give extra support to our patio diners. Um, we we think that this will not only help our business, but it'll also contribute to a better parking situation. uh near near that intersection.

Um we've had a number of letters of support from neighbors, including the alderman, Michael Browning. Yes, I got them. Mhm. Okay. Um do you know how many people the restaurant's going to hold? There will be 30 interior seats and the patio will support about 20 outside. Okay. Are you going to have sidewalk seating? Yes. Or is it on your own property?

Um, the sidewalk seating is on a portion of the sidewalk that is set back from the street. So, the the building is set back. So, it's a a really wide sidewalk. So, our uh we we've also applied for a liquor license for this property. And um that setback part of the sidewalk is part of our application with the liquor license. You may need to get an encroachment permit from the board of public service. So you'll need to reach out to them and see if you're in the public ride up here or not. Okay. Okay.

How many employees will you have? Uh, I expect to have about 20 employees total. Um, if it's reflective of my current business that's been opened, uh, close to nine years now, about half of those 20 will be full-time and about half will be part-time. Okay. Do you have any off- streetet parking? No off- streetet parking. Okay. And what are your days and hours of operation going to be?

Um, we hope to operate six days a week from 7 a.m. to 2:00 p.m. and the 7th day of the week, which isn't quite decided yet uh which day it will be, will be closed to the public, but we'll still have staff uh working on site. Okay. What types of food do you serve? Uh, we serve we focus on coffee and brunch style foods. Okay. You said you're going to serve liquor? Yes.

Do you have a loading area that's not on the street like in the back or anything? Um, the trucks would still have to park on the street. Okay, that's okay. How many exits does the restaurant have? Four. Is it handicap accessible? Yes. Okay. And do you have access to a commercial dumpster? Yes. Are you going to post any signs? Yes. you'll get permits for them. Okay.

So, we have a letter of support from your alderman, Michael Browning. These are questions we ask everybody. Will the use be detrimental to the public health, safety, morals, or general welfare? No. Will the use cause serious injury to the neighboring property by hindering use or reducing our parent property rights? No. Is there anything else you'd like to add? That's it. Okay. Thank you. Thank you.

Is there anybody here in support of this application that would like to speak? Is there anybody opposed to this application that would like to speak? All right, we'll call this hearing heard. Thank you. Deborah, will you please read the next case?

Yes. 3427 South King Highway Boulevard, AO585420-6, zone F, neighborhood commercial district, Ward 5. Do I have somebody here for 3427 South Kings Highway? I'm here at Berto Garcia. Do you want to explain a little bit of what you're doing?

Yeah, it's um it's the reopening of Uncle Bill's um pancake house on South Kings Highway. Um and we're fully functional opened. Um I think this conditional use is for we In the past, the the waiting line basically just went from the inside of the building out the the front door through the parking lot. So, we added um we built an ex like a seating and an outdoor patio. There'll be no food out there. It's just um an area where people can can sit while they're waiting to be called.

So, um and then we also um have gotten a um a full liquor license um you know for breakfast cocktails like on weekends but uh but that's that's it. So I think that that's what this is for. I think it's for the liquor license. Okay, there you go. So we have the business previously did not have a liquor license. Um so like mimosas, bloody marys, that kind of thing.

Okay. So what types of food are you serving? It's just breakfast food um and some um light like light like light like light like light like light like light like light like light like light like light like lunch uh food sandwiches but it's mostly pancakes, waffles, um uh benedicts, uh skillets, you know, that kind of thing. Okay. You know how many people what the occupancy load is? It's 190. Okay. How many employees do you anticipate uh at any given point? you know, 25 give or take. Okay. And you have off street parking. Lots. What are your days and hours of operation?

Uh, currently it's um Monday through Friday 6 to 2 and we'll be we'll be expanding to weekends um as of next week. Um that'll be um 7 to 3 on Saturday and Sunday. Do you anticipate ever expanding those hours? Possibly. Yes. What would be your ideal hours like expanded? If we expand our hours, I think we would go like um on Wednesday through Saturday, we might be open um you know from you know our opening hour would be the same, but we could we might extend till let's say like midnight or 1:00.

Why don't we do that now so you don't have to come back here? You don't have to but we'll just we'll make it one o'clock. We we we would never be a 24-hour place and our liquor license doesn't allow us anyways. I mean, that part of it. So, we would we would probably go till like 1:00 a.m. Okay. So, 6:00 to 1:00 a.m. Yeah. Do you want that seven days a week? Sure. Okay. That keeps you from having to come back for a hearing. Yeah. I don't know that we would ever use that, but if we could get that now, that'd be fantastic. Okay. Um, how would you dispose of refuse? Do you have a commercial dumpster? We do. It's in an enclosure in the parking lot.

Okay. Are you going to post any new signs or you already have the Yeah, the neon sign is up. It's already permitted and everything already done. Okay. I'm glad it's reopening. Thank you. We are too. How many exits does the restaurant have? It has three. Is it ADA accessible? Yes. And you do have outdoor seating now. We won't be serving food out there, just so just to be clear. Just a waiting area. Yeah.

Okay. You don't have a walk up window drive-thru. Correct. We do not. And you're you're open now. Is that correct? Okay. So, we have a letter of support. Well, this this letter doesn't go with this. I suppose with Bud's Place, I don't have any letters of support for any of this, but yeah, I mean, I'm sorry. I was I wasn't even aware that we had to have this um hearing, but I got the I got the the notice, so I just, you know, I'm here. Um but yeah, when we is when we issued your PMT when they wanted to add alcohol that we issued the PMT and that triggered the hearing. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. I I understand. But um Yeah. So these are questions we ask everybody. Will the use be detrimental to the public health, safety, morals, or general welfare? Will it be detrimental? No. Will the use cause serious injury to the neighboring property by hindering use or reducing our parent property values? No, ma'am. Is there anything else you want to add? No, we're just happy to be open and um appreciate the city support. All right. Thank you. All right. Take care. Is there anybody here in favor of this application that wants to speak? Is there anybody here in opposition? We'll call this hearing heard. Thank you. Have a good day. You too. Take care. Bye. Bye.

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