Planning and Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

e is yours flashing red no it's yell okay green green I'm not saying anything all right uh roll call uh Tony grden here Megan SCH Schult I'm gonna say it wrong Schult here Greg Clanton here Rex Miller here and Pam stader here we have a full Corel um I am going to now open the public hearings at 5:31 p.m. I'd like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that this portion of the meeting is strictly for public comments only there is no Q&A there is no back and forth between the commission and anyone in the audience anyone wishing to speak during this time is to ask to give their name and address and we'll have three minutes to make statements or comments after each item

has been announced you will have an opportunity to pose questions during the discussion and consideration portion of the meeting I will also State thank you I will also state that this is not the time that we start a presentation on any of the public toets we will do that during the discussion and answers um the Q&A so our first public hearing is regarding a request to rezone Rockbridge 3 also known as Acres 13.26 track D4 1-5 abstract a136 a136 mil County School uh track D4 1 through 5 Acres 13.6 from an R1 into a planned development do we have any public comments on this okay moving on to our next one regarding your requests for the preliminary pla for rock um Ridge 3 a proposed 100 lot subdivision as submitted by Horizon Capital Solutions and owners representative cesan bezner for property located off W Gibbs West Gibbs Boulevard being a 13.26 Acres track d416 blah blah blah blah blah that's all legal standing um do we have any public comments on this item all right and with that said um I am going to close our public meeting at 533 and we can start the individual

items for discussion so I do need to make a motion or somebody to make a motion to make a corre direction that the discussion consideration and possible action of on appointment of a vice chair for uh preservation is commission is incorrect we are the planning and sing commission I was Wonder we had a we we had an incident called you know human human humanness so if somebody can make a motion for us to discuss to change that from preservation to Planning and Zoning we can continue that dialogue I'll move thank you all right so in our last meeting um we went ahead and did the chair position which I graciously took um pending any outcome of Elections right um we need to nominate a vice chair and I'm going to make the first move to nominate Greg Clinton a second GRE do you accept the nomination I I'll accept it thank you is any anybody else would like to be nominated or nominate for themselves all right then can we have a motion to approve Greg Clinton as our vice chair thank you Megan a second second thank you Tony all in

favor that is a 5 welcome back to your position all right now the meat of the meeting uh discussion consideration and possible action regarding the request to rezone uh The Rock Ridge Estates 3 from an R1 to uh plan development um are there any questions or discussions at this time this gentleman is where you can come up and speak to um what the intent is and do we have a a draft of the plan development agreement yes we do yes okay and I brought it with me too should it Jody was that in here saw it in the packet on arm all right here it is I got it everybody it's page 12 ready for me yes sir okay I'm Steve bezar I live at 701 West Lee Avenue in Weatherford Texas um I am here representing the Mitchell Family on this property they've owned it for a while and U Joe Mitchell III is here with his family with Katie and his their family and so they can they can answer any questions about the family and all what I'm here is I guess he asked my 48 years of experience to help get this thing developed so I'm here to help do that um I wanted to tell you a little bit about this property um

one is the the property is located right next to um the I guess it's called Uh a tractor supply yes just to the south of it so typically you would want to buffer that property with some mid density to try to give you some buffer zoning in there what we did that what I back in uh late 70s I developed a property called oill court and it's really turned out well it's in North Dallas it's a mid density it's nonattached unit so they're detached units but it gets you that density and gets you to the price range that this city needs really bad so we did a lot of research and including things like you know reading your own reporters and stuff that says that we need some housing here so um that's that's the move we're trying to make what trying to do is make affordable housing for you know your first provide first U providers and your and your teachers and all those people that need to live here but right now it's hard to find a house so that's what our intent was but at the same time we wanted it to be a neighborhood that's safe and uh and and kind of lives on a long time and that's what we liked about the Old Mill Court uh the one I did back in the 70s um in fact the architect that did it for me then is the architect on this one it's kind of hard to believe but we're still around um so uh what it it's been a very successful it's still 90% owner occupied which is really good uh what we did is also provide a lot of parking for people in this subdivision because this we think will be a younger group uh a lot of these will be coming out of apartments and their maybe their first jobs or what's good about this city and Katie if she wants she can talk about a little bit because the a district and designation here that could be zeroed down so it really helps the

young people get into a house and get started in life so um what Rock Ridge really prioritize is the affordability safety and Community engagement that's what we want is we want people to know each other and what we did is instead of just having row houses Andor attached town houses on this one we felt like it'd be really good because it would support this The Rock rdge one and two across the street we felt like it needed to be detached unit so people had their private space and that's what we did um also I I brought some pictures if you want to see other and again y'all can shut me down as quick as you want but what I did is um I brought in some pictures of maybe um of the this this is again this was built in 1978 but it still looks very nice um it's it's dated because of the brick use and stuff like that a lot of what we do now is more of a modern country so we'll be changing that to make it look different but what's good about is it's still it still very wellmaintained um and I believe that if you drove it you would be You' be pleased you can see here that this is about an 8 to 10 unit per acre density but it doesn't live like that at all I wanted to kind of show you the history of it then um this is the preliminary design that we came up with back in November when we started this process and what we try to do is streets that are no longer than 150 ft that would stay within your fire code and so um

for each Courtyard there will be most most of the time there are eight houses on it and um each house has a 10 foot at least a 10ft backyard some of more and what we've done is we mixed single story three bedroom two bath houses with single story and then also twostory the average is going to be around 1,400 square foot homes they're going to be in the average around 280 280,000 so we think that hits around 120% of median income we feel pretty good about that we feel like youve got a good market and you also have a need for [Music] it we also just um we we have now completed probably 90% of the actual engineering of the property the engineering of this property included um the fire code study we also did a drainage study because we're picking up a lot of water from the north um and we we are retaining water on this property so we don't flood anybody Downstream but this property um is it's ready to go to the market as soon as we can get through this if it works out we're ready uh you have a very dedicated family ready to do this their families live here they're they're um it's important for them to to move forward with this to help with the the city because they they're invested here in the city big time also I wanted to kind of show you um on the North End here we go um just as a quick land aerial you'll see Tractor Supply and then this property would be just to the left the other thing you can see here um an aerial of the property it would be just north of the

Tractor Supply I wanted to show you one other picture this is an interesting thing that we're dealing with on the North End of the property it's just a beautiful side when you get up there and walk around so that's why we preserve that for an outside of dog walking park or a walking Park we'll have to put some rail fence along that Ed so we don't have a dog for a person fall off but it's a it's 13t drop so it's pretty good drop out there but that area is going to be preserved the the property is fairly flat but um when you get up on that bluff you can see the you know a lot of land to the north it's a it's really a pretty sze so that's why we're preserving that this property is being developed um with with the social environment involved we really want it to be a social environment so that people will get to know their neighbors and it's not just a roow housee just another number um if you wanted to kind of see the house plans that's the smallest one is at three better and two bath on the left a 171 square fet and then it's uh we have one at 1662 square feet but most of them are going to be um bedrooms up living down very open concept if you have any questions I'm available so my first question is Old Mill which looks lovely is did you guys operate that with an HOA yes we did okay is this intended to be HOA as well yeah the HOA will have to take care of the courtyard areas and the and anything outside what we want is it'll be a fully landscape visual site okay and what what is the comparison between the density and Old Mill and the density and this about the same it's

around eight I think ours is eight units per acre I think I may have gotten 10 per acre up there because it was in in Carolton sure in Carolton Square yeah heard it's a nice development it is it really turned out well did what lessons did you learn from there that you're putting into this one um that's a good question I'm trying to think of anything negative about it I haven't I haven't had anything negative um I don't I don't really the only thing that I when I drive through it the only negative I see is there's some the the fencing is not uh the same on all the units so one of the things I'm going to do here is put a longer lasting fence between units and something that will be maintained in a cohesive way that would be something I've learned um the oak trees are beautiful in that neighborhood and I think it works well what did you Benchmark the median in commit yeah I think what we're at I think it's about 110 h okay all right and I've got those statistics I can show yeah I'd like to see those okay because i' I've seen other yeah other numbers on the median income here oh I'm sorry the median income here we think it's around 75 I'm sorry but what we did is 120% with that for our Target okay sorry about that yep how many units did you say totally it's 101 101 yeah it's um you're going to build them as bought or or build it they will come we're actually going to start 28 them day one so um the last one I did this way and it was not in a in similar economy than this as this I set the model home up in two weeks we sold

400 this is a very desired product um and it's very limited people live in it because there's not a lot of choices right now there's so few listings in this city this and in this city is I mean this is a diamond in the row this city it's a great City and it's gonna and it's going to grow fast does anybody have any other questions for Stephen at this point I'm going to mention one other thing if you wouldn't mind I have a company called Horton World Solutions which is owned by Terry Horton of the DR Horton family but his brother and he started that company back same time I started but um he's got a plant here and he's getting ready to get it funded and he's we're going to use his product on this which is just an incredibly strong product so we're also trying to bring his plant up to what it needs to be in this city just want to tell you that perfect Jody will you go through the mailing and information uh we had 11 property owner letters that were sent representing 21 properties five letters were confirmed as received five letters were unconfirmed as received one letter was returned uh zero favorable responses and one in opposition which I handed out to everybody because they came in today Mr uh bezar or or Mr Mitchell have you guys had an opportunity to hear the um argument against I I'm not um the in opposition is it will decrease our home values across the street it will

increase traffic in an already congested area and adding this many lowincome houses families will eventually lead to a growth in the town that takes pride in being a small town environment um I'm going to say that I don't believe a 20 50 $50,000 home is a lowi income housing um the traffic congestion is a concern um it's been a concern with Rock Ridge one and and the conversations around Rock Ridge one and two in the past um [Music] have you guys looked into anything about how to help that intersection that roadway is there one Road in and I haven't looked at everything in detail there's two entrances on this okay so they're going to be very limited how many cars will come out of this a day okay um and I it's it's only 100 101 units so I don't think you're going to see more than five or six cars on that road at any time but I I've been I go over that road all the time in fact we're going to try to finish up Rock Ridge to next okay and get it finished up and those houses over there you're almost not going to tell the difference when we build them okay it's going to be very similar houses to what's there um and you know at some point you're going to have to put something on this property it's the best thing for the city is this address do you know if this is the cross Bridge one or two that house right there okay so that part of Rock Bridge this is one and this okay okay yeah it's a rock one person yeah got I'll be glad to visit them I not necessary just just giving giving you guys the and I don't know if Miss Klein is here or Mr Mrs Klein is

here they said they were going to attend okay so it was just the only comment out of that that I took as a something that is you know a discussion point is is the traffic the traffic that's aome um so one way in one way out 101 there's two way twoes so one is one is exiting out on Gibbs Boulevard and then one both on gifts they're both on gifts they're both on gifts one at the south end and one at the North End okay yeah you look at page 35 yeah I think everybody's more worried about F gibs and I think that's exactly it it comes back to the bo Gibbs at at 67 and once again trying to get Tech doot to put a light there yeah and I agree with that it's dangerous right there that intersection get across i' definitely agree I just I hate to see Bo givs expanded much because it's such a beautiful drive through there yeah it's gonna be really nice going forward but you have the ride away to expand it if they wanted to well it just needs the turn lanane so it wouldn't expand all the way back it would just have to expand right there at the intersection Supply and stuff you'll eventually end up with a signal there that goes all the way to downtown and everything um all right so for disclosure sake um we have um asked uh Tony to um abstain from any v um he is involved in this project and so we don't want to have any consideration of um conflicts of interest um so does anybody else have any questions Stephen I know that um

you've looked at this whole plan you don't see any cause for concerns I'm good with it Chris Hayes has looked at it and there's no drainage issues there's has got all the drainage issues answered and fixed I just like I said knowing that yeah DET and so then I know that it's connecting into the Tractor Supply drainage what isn't being retained on property will overflow and connect with Tractor Supply and eventually head over to squa Crate correct okay um but I think that detension is adequate to keep that water from going into Tractor Supply okay and there's also we're putting a small LIF station there on I'll talk about because the the sewers sewer line is so shallow on Gibs that we're going to have to put some kind of Li station get over to it but the drainage study was done just to make sure we didn't dump water on the tractor supp um B dibs is a county road so in grassy grass everything has been approved by the county the Fire Marshall for for um I know that you talked about the fire Lanes to prevent are the streets wide enough for a fire trucker to turn around um yes and they're as far as the the street themselves are the normal 30 foot wide 50 foot wide right away they're a normal street the good thing is you won't have much parking on them because there's four car parking per unit so you won't have much parking on the Main Street I'm just concerned with how do they get in and then out without that's where you stay you stay shorter than 150 they can just reverse out and they can just and Brad's okay with us yes

okay dug through the codes and as long as it's 150 feet or less yeah okay um lighting boy I haven't got to that yet okay that's a fair statement this is a prelim plat I'm I got okay Sor that's good um sidewalks yes there will be sidewalks on both sides of the street okay because we want this to be a walking neighborhood miss any parks or I know you said it's just on the North End you look up kind of see that up there that's that okay and there's actually about 2 and2 Acres of total open when you figure the rideways and everything in the open spaces so it's quite a bit for a 13 acre there'll be quite a bit of open space on there but that bluff has some beautiful oak trees big oak trees and the vistas are really nice I want that house 6 um is there anything else you want to make sure that aware of on this project since this is the first one we've ever gone through with [Music] you re any other thought process well done thank you yes I'm just I'm just trying to figure out y yall know I'm fine but I was just trying to see why the the requested to rezone like if phase one and two aren't they single family but he was explaining it to yeah so plan developments allow them to

create different density than what our normal zoning of an R1 would be that's what I was looking for no that's that's good um so what I see in the plan development draft um is is a good start but obviously the city um Council needs to talk through more in that um any financials Etc yeah kind a question we talk so there's two things right there's the resuming that's a recommendation to city council to go from single residential and then there's the plating yeah so we actually just kind of join the conversation together but we'll have to motion separately right we handle platting here correct and let if it goes up and city council says no to the rezoning our planning does nothing right correct so like should we wait yeah do the one B the next or do open at the same time no we go ahe do it um like city council this I the only I just want to see um I don't even want to see they need to see a more um a full development plan with all the deta details of um who's paying for what connections to sewer who's paying for the lift stations I would add into it that it's going to be an HOA doing all of that okay that's fine we just need it all in W yeah anything that anything that we bring that's new to that side including all the connections and stuff we'll have to do right um the other thing is repair of B Gibbs as you're bringing in Machinery to do anything at the very minimum it has to

be repaired to what it is today we would like to um BS got beaten up a little bit in rock wge one so yeah we we're since going to be on Rock Bridge to and this one yeah we'll we'll we'll go back and fix some of that thank you no problem um I would in the Planning Development make sure that it says it's going to be an HOA it will be an HOA um and then the other thing and I want to just bring this up is would you guys consider um in that AA to not have any short-term um short-term rentals I mean we can write it in there it's always hard I'm just not sure legally that you can keep people from doing that but I don't know the law part you mean like air fees and yeah oh I mean I wouldn't have a problem writing that in because that's not what we want I would write that in makes sense I like that because that's going to protect the all the neighborhood correct right correct and that's not necessarily a high tourism spot in town and and this house I mean this is really this is if you want to call it Workforce I don't know what you want to call it but this is going to be people that want to live there and grow their you you you mentioned it it's the it's first homes first homeowners it's First Responders it's uh it's important people that we need to make sure we have something for and leave them out I uh I have been an advocate for the need for this um for ever since I've been on PNC so I'm going to um request anybody make a motion to um first uh approve the recommendation for rezoning from R1 to a plan development I'll move okay

second need to not yet I got the first and second I'm just trying to find my spot where I'm supposed to write it on the notes I think she third it is all all in all in favor okay that is four abstain one abstain all right and now if we have a motion to approve the preliminary plat um under the condition that if the resoning uh doesn't occur the plat can't move forward motion no second second all in favor abstain okay with that having no further business before the commission this meeting is adjourned at 602 wow that's a that's a record y'all are making me nervous that's a 10 o' talking about well we appreciate all of the initial work that went into this so that uh