Altamont Landfill Open Space Committee - Regular Meeting

Oh, we were the meeting of the ultimate resource recovery facility, open space advisory committee, July, 17th, 2026, 1230. P. M. And we have a roll call.

Yes. Supervisor. Excuse Council member neighbor here. Here and number 1st.

Thank you want to item number 2. is approval of the minutes for the may 15th 2026 meeting is there any discussion or questions okay um okay seeing no questions you're hearing your minutes Thank you all call about all of those in favor of approving the minutes.

Say, I, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. Actually, because it's on the regular calendar, you should just take all the comments on the minutes.

Okay. Thank you. All right, open public comment for anyone who wishes to discuss the minutes of the. May 15th, just make a clarification when I spoke with, um. On the tool, they always say parcel ranking tool. Um. Informatics department, and we see a, an honor. It's having difficulties figuring out how they were going to make a tool publicly available again to the clients, not just our tool, but all the stuff that they were doing. So that was not reflected in the minutes. I don't know if it's that important to know. And I don't know if they've corrected that and they figured out how to do that. But that was something that. It's communicated to me by, by that team in case it was important because they weren't sure how to do it. Not publicly available accessible for. Those who need special access.

Unfortunately, the page is not numbered, but under number 6. 2nd page of number 6, which is on the same page as number 7. You're going to talk to mister showing stated that not lines in future elk. Is that the correct future? So, in the future. Her next meeting. There's that.

Okay, that change, um. Change mentioned by Mr. Schneider calling to. Find some discussion in the last meeting. How do we handle that? We asked to have to go back and. Something you can have it or include Mr. Or is it simply sufficient to, you know, these comments, uh, you can go ahead and read the minutes as change.

As in the, I couldn't say that even what word is common. Go to, uh, approve the benefits as amended. Okay.

All right. Um, I'll entertain a motion then to approve the minutes as amended to improve. Mr. Schroeder's comments and also Mr. Furst's comment as well. Second. Okay. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Opposed? Abstained? Motion passes. Okay, thank you. We'll move on to number three. This is public comment. where any member of the public may address the committee on a matter not on the regular agenda. No discussion or action may be taken on these items. If you do have a card to fill out, we appreciate you providing that to us. But any member of the public may come forward at this time to address the committee. Seeing none, I will close public comment. And move on to item number four. Uh, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,

Yes, so this, um, this is Ali average planning department. Um, this came up at your committee's last meeting, um, where it was to shatter and, um, that you see Davis team that developed the tool. We're noting issues, um. Figuring out how to make that that mapping tool, um, compliance. So there's this new, um, accessibility rules that all public agencies need to comply with and, um. This tool sounds like it's presenting a challenge for ADA accessibility. And so your committee asked us to agendize an item at this meeting to consider just removing the link to that tool from the County's public website. The link itself would still exist and anyone who had bookmarked it would still be able to access it. It just wouldn't be linked on our public page.

Okay. Uh, yeah, I do recall this coming up in the last time. Um, let me open it up to the, uh, the members of mini court.

Questions discussion, it's a matter of ADA compliance. I'm not sure which trucks you need to go ahead and. And approve and take it off the, uh, the language.

Say a little more about what the accessibility requirements that we're having trouble meeting.

Yeah. So, um. WCAG 2.0 and those ADA web accessibility requirements are something that all public agencies across the country need to comply with. There was a deadline of, it was like March of this year for jurisdictions of a certain size. It was extended to March of next year, so we do have a little bit of time to figure out compliance with these rules, but it's essentially ensuring that all digital resources that are posted on a public website meet accessibility requirements so for things like captions or like tagging for like images image tagging so for people who are visually impaired so that folks who are visually impaired or have other disabilities can navigate the website in the same way as people who don't have visual impairments or other disabilities so to me that we'd have to have a way of

verbally describing what the map is and all that stuff?

Yeah. So for something like an interactive map, I understand that that presents really special challenges as far as making it truly accessible. And I think that that's something that all of us are going to have to grapple with and find a solution for. And I think that hopefully UC Davis will be able to find some Um, some workarounds for, um, the, the maker of the batting tool itself. We'll be able to adapt to something like this and then make this publicly available. And did your committee wish to do that? Um. But for now, any way that we can comply is just by not having this resource on our website.

But, like, you see Davis or something, there could be some other website where it's available for people.

Yeah. And I'm not, I'm not sure to which degree it sounds like maybe it just applies to use Davis as well as a public.

It's a public entity, so you see Davis, it's, you see an hour. Yeah.

So the, the University of California, generally is a public agency. Also. They also need to comply with these rules. Um, so if it's posted on their website, it would be the same. Same thing as a public tool.

So there's nowhere someone can go look at it.

I think what, you know, the way that this could work is that the link could continue to, the link would continue to exist. It just wouldn't be posted on our public website or posted on Natus's public website. So if you have the link, which I do, like I just have it bookmarked, that we could access it for community purposes. Yeah.

Okay.

And then, you know, folks who already have it bookmarked or who asked to have the link,

Certainly be able to share, but I can also be accessible through a public record. So, although it's still able to access that through that, those means it's able to.

So, if the public were to access it that way through the records request or.

They still be able to request and then it become a compliant and the public records after we produce the documents materials, uh, Sometimes websites in the way they are, they are meeting. So we're not required to go about responding to a public record back request in a format beyond the ways. Okay.

Okay. And was this brought to our attention specifically in going to this committee's work, or was there a more general, um. Look at all of the county's websites with the department's websites.

There is a general look at all of the county's websites and department websites. It's something that we're grappling with right now. Um, and the intent, uh, just, you know, to be clear this to be everything. Um, and, and. This would be maybe not an ideal work around, but a, you know, a way that, uh. Good points, and I think that the issue actually came up. through UC Davis or through UC A&R because they are grappling with the same requirements. They were the ones that brought it up, I believe. Mr. Schneider has a comment.

Well, yeah, I wouldn't propose a comment right now. So for that last meeting, I was trying to use the tool and we couldn't get it to work. So I contacted the recent people and they explained why the link was down. That they, you know, weren't going to make it live again until they had figured out how to Apply not just with our have our website, um, comply, but all the things that they were trying, they hadn't solved that problem. Now, that was, you know, well, more than 2 months ago, but I don't know what they're. And if the link is live now, I haven't tried.

It was last last day. Checked. Usable.

okay I'll close by the comment then to the committee for a discussion or a motion approval okay hold on please

Right. Supervisor Howard excused council member.

Yes.

Uh, vice mayor wall. Yes. And number 1st.

Yes.

All right.

Motion carries.

I said, yes, I was thinking maybe it was like a prison. Okay, so the motion passes. Thank you. Move on to item number 5. Update on plans for a committee field trip to help informed review and potential reaffirmation of refinement or update 16. A. L. O. S. C. Western. And Eastern priority areas, so the promotional item was set up a presentation.

Yes. So, again, Ali offers from the planning department, we have staff from the county been meeting with staff in the city of livermore. To discuss options for this field trip. It seems as though it's looking as though, um. Scheduling a field trip on the same day as 1 of our regularly scheduled meetings. So, in September, or in November, maybe that is where you go. Um. And, uh, and it, it seems like the best way to go would be for this to be a special meeting. Um, that would be the list and open to the public. Um, and I can be canceled some notes about what we need to do to do that. Um, it's, it's more complex than, of course, a meeting in a hearing room. So, Melanie, yes, sure.

So, if the committee wishes to have field trips. Um, where the, the quorum of your, uh, committee will be attending, we need to notice it as a special meeting because it's in a location and it's not this location and. Let's take the public access to the meeting. So, um, it should be accessible to the public should be able to hear everything said, um, and interview as many during those field trips. Um, it should be accessible. Um, so. hiking trails, any sort of recreational vehicles, very, very, very likely not accessible to the general public. So those are things we need to be kept in mind for your special meeting. A way in which it would not have to be a special meeting is if you were to form an ad hoc committee, which would consist of less than the form of your committee, they could go on a field trip and then report back to the committee. Yeah, I don't committee can't be informed right now. It's not on the agenda and should be for a specific purpose and specific duration that would dissolve. So, you know, committee of X members to attend a field trip at X location would be appropriate description of an ad hoc committee for this purpose. That would avoid you making sure that, for instance, by trail is successful, unless the form of your body.

This is my.

Discussion questions, it's impossible. I'm just about to have to add committees 1 after another. Depends on the same thing to 2 people going on the field trip. And a week later, the other 2 people going on the same field trip.

Like, sort of, it sounds, you know, if it smells like a workaround on the product, I'm always a little bit cautious. We want to make sure that the public is giving access to the issue is more of a quorum of your body is present at the same time to hear discuss or deliberate. A matter that it's in the jurisdiction on your body, so I really technically that can work so long as. So committee. I don't think anyone did talk to ad hoc subcommittee two at all about that until you were in a regular meeting to discuss what you saw. Um, but, you know, that creates potential for, I remember that the for your body, um, but that creates potential for a serial meeting. If one person inadvertently told the other ad hoc committee, um, about the data they observed, that would be in violation of the Brown Act. Um, so. Finally, my advice would be just want to add up committees, take photographs, take notes and present your findings at a regular meeting to the, to the body. We're on a public again, so we're trying to.

Yeah, let's have a little discussion 1st and then. Further.

Do we have a date you'd said either September or November? Do we have?

Yeah, so, uh, the September meeting is September 18th. Um, so it could be at the same time as the regular meeting, um, or, um, potential option review to have it in the morning. Prior to this meeting, um, as a special meeting, and then to this meeting at its regular time, where you could further discuss the, the field trip and then the other time just take a look. It is November 20th, which is the Friday before Thanksgiving. Um, that's the next week.

I had received an email asking for the old times. I can frame 1. yes. How did that turn out?

So, um, everybody was available except for a surprise power. So it was the, it's October 16th. I believe is the date that we were looking at.

You're talking about September or November? Yeah.

So we're available in October. So three, I certainly couldn't do a field trip with just three members, but Supervisor Calvert wasn't available except during the regular meeting times.

We could have it in October during regular meeting time.

Oh, there is no regular meeting time in October, but it sounded like all three of you were likely. Actually, I'm not sure. I think we did, but if folks were available on October 16th, I think we could also consider just doing a special meeting on that date and those who are available to attend. I actually have it on my calendar.

Oh, great.

Okay. I was 16. Yeah, I had to field trip.

Okay. I think it was also added that special meetings. Public comment, just to see what here, so you would need to make sure that's easily be facilitated. The public can hear you and they can hear them. Um, the advantage of. Essentially resourcing back about it just so everybody is, um, yes, uh, you know, able to be heard. Um, and you're able to use your public comment as well. Um. There was 1 loss that I was going to say. Uh, oh, there would be no general comment at your submission meeting on this. Your agenda would be limited to.

Field trip with a meeting if it were held on the same day as this meeting. Uh, in the morning, the morning be a special meeting or would be this meeting that then recess.

The special meeting is whenever there's some time that you're ordinarily scheduled in for a different location. So it would definitely be a special meeting if it were a field trip. If this body were to meet at a different time than the regular meeting, it should also be considered a special meeting. Then you might need to fix time for your meetings.

Okay. So I guess I'm not quite understanding. What you just said about taking public comment later on. And to recess to return here. Yeah.

How does the same needed? You would just recess to to. You know, this is a special case, and that is what the expression.

Okay. All right sounds like, you know, that could work work for me.

Um, this, I mean, during the field trip.

members of public are with us and talk to us and informally giving public comment if you're just talking well uh public comment can be taken you know during deliberation or during you know if you're receiving information that would be your discretion of the chair but when we're talking about public comment it's really important to have people time so if one person gets the year of one of you and The rest of everybody doesn't hear it, and then they're giving the differential preferential treatment. Um, I would think orderly and tight just as we put a meeting and you can, of course, you know, always interested in your thoughts. We're going to have public listening to this and you can hold your comments till the end. Field trips are by their nature informal, so they're, you know, they're a little bit trickier, but having some degree of order is still important to be in compliance with the program.

If we have a field trip with a quorum, we require to provide transportation to the public. Yeah. Discourage. We're in one van, and then we're being followed by several cars from members of the public.

To fill the requirements, I would discourage inform you of you being one. One, first of all, because that could create an error of an illegal meeting, but if we discuss one thing that in regards to the jurisdiction of this committee, that's an unlawful meeting, but the public could follow you. That would be fine if you gave clear directions. And I would want those directions to be in the meeting.

It would be this complicated. David, aside from this type of complication, is the field trip still doable in your mind?

Is that October date still Saturday? I'm looking at Livermore staff. Okay. So, I think any of those new dates, the September, September 18th, November, sorry, December, November 20th, or the October date, which is the 16th, I believe that we had discussed. But we work for scheduling purposes for us, yeah.

You could do one trip as long as there aren't more than two of us in one trip.

It's more than two members of the committee?

As long as there aren't more than two of us in one car, we can still do it as one trip. Just mostly for staff time. I hate to make them do it this way.

So can't you just have a quorum interview? On the way to the meeting. Yeah. Okay.

Yeah, I think it would be nice if all the members could attend in 1 meeting rather than a point in that subcommittee. Kind of the purpose of having it in the 1st place. Um. Okay, I would just note that on all 3 of those mentioned dates I am available. So, I don't know selection of a date now considering the chair. It's not here. Um, or.

Or not, if we were to schedule something, uh, during 1, you know, regular or on 1 of the dates of a regular meeting. So that's September date where the November date, uh, particular preference as to. Whether that would happen morning before the meeting, or would you prefer it happen at the same time as the meeting?

Speaking of morning. I don't have my calendar with me, so I'm not sure about any data. Although I can thank the staff today, check my calendar at home, but I wouldn't prefer the morning and then a regular meeting in the afternoon.

Yes, it's a reminder when you're scheduling with staff only when you invite a staff member.

Okay, right. Okay. Okay, so you can leave dates open as far as one of those would be already discussing. And my preference is the morning. Yeah, I can do afternoon. 1st, just mentioned is either. Um, let me open this to public comment right now. Um. So, public comments now open, if you wish any member of the public, we should speak on this item. Please stand and. So, I just want to point out, you have 2 distinct funding areas, the West and the East side. So, if you wanted to go the subcommittee fruit, then you could have the. Listen to the rest. Yes, you will go on the West side. Um, and Chris, can you go on the East side have to serve? It's unlikely. You're going to take a field trip into both sides at the same time, because it will be logistically complicated and much longer. Um. So you could, you know, have 2 separate subcommittees as opposed to 1 subcommittee. That's the only point I wanted to make. Okay. Yeah. Oh, um.

I live in Fremont, so I have special knowledge of how the Brown Act with the serial meetings things. A lot of people don't know the special leading role of the city of Fremont in creating the current version of the Brown Act, all the serial meetings things. So the police chief, this was about 15 years ago, wanted to get some burglar alarm thing passed. So he went and made sure to talk with each city council member, each politician separately, told them how to vote and then they all came and voted and then they went to the court and then the appeals court ruled that they could, um, that this was not a sealed meeting because there was no, um, collaborative consensus or there was some phrasing that they used. No concurrent consensus. I forgot the words, but, um, and they want the city of Fremont 1. But at the same time, they, um. They, uh, they generated anger and backlash in the public among the state, uh, uh, assembly and among the state Senate, and they went and changed the law to the anti serial meetings things that we all know and love. Now, this is, this is how you are all these tight restrictions. You can all in the city of Fremont and then also. You know, it's amazing how they know the brown and so well, the county, uh, the board of supervisors and then county lawyers, but a few days ago, they had something about they wanted to pass a resolution for, um, uh, transit, uh, underground to wherever. And, um, it was, uh, high, uh, high tech. Radio something. And then they had the public commenting, and then they waited an hour and then they brought it. They had more cognitive, then they brought in the proponent who technically is a member of the public to speak, gave him special time, then talk and then, and the public couldn't talk during that session. Of talking, it was only so, um, so, and I made sure to come, but I'm still complaining about it during the meeting and I'm complaining about it now that if you want to have special members of the public speak, you should have all the members of the public speak. Thank you. Yeah, thank you. Any other 2.

I was wondering where are these filters going to be at?

I mean, has has locations been decided or. Well, that's my question question.

Okay.

Yeah.

So we've been working with city of our staff. I don't know if you want to talk a little bit about the potential sites. Sure.

Yeah. There's a couple of properties that are required in my previous years. Uh, they're located on the north and south sides of 580, uh, just East Greenville road. Uh, so there's a hundred and twenty five acre property that's, uh, along Greenville road and then there's an eighty two acre property along ultimate pass road. And those are a couple of potential locations that we could visit to showcase to cities always respond.

But then on the East side, do you know, I'm not on the West side.

So, I would not know that information from my side, this field trip just for.

Practical purposes wouldn't be limited to an area. That we could be something dry to, you know. A couple of sites that you could visit reasonably within within a couple of hours. I think if the committee wish to to have a field trip to look at properties on the West side, you probably have to schedule a separate field trip.

Yeah, I think so as well, assuming that. As long as I've been here, all the properties we considered have been on the East side. Um. And there are some properties that we have considered very recently. Um. And my opinion is we should confine our attention to that for this purposes of this field trip. Um. I frankly don't know myself any partners on the East side. That even come forward for discussion.

Yeah.

So instead of looking at properties already acquired, I think the idea would be to look at areas where potential additional properties would be acquired. And we have a cloud, a cumulus cloud map, where I think there's five or six different areas. And I think we should select, you know, one of those general areas or two of them on the west side. I think, I don't know if there's people on the west side, on the east side to take a look at.

areas in general maybe public viewpoints something like that as opposed to going to places already protected if i may yeah the the point of these properties that have already been acquired they offer the terrain go up on the top of the hill and see and visual visually see the ultimate left forward or and look at other properties that that can potentially require so um That would be an added benefit to go to these already required properties and then also look, um. At different locations that have been, but thanks to be available in the future.

Okay, thank you for your comments. The others. Okay, we'll close public comment at this time to get back to. Um, committee discussion. I'm fine with leaving, um. The plan trip as is with regard to the locations we visit times that we have already discussed. And probably at this time, I would defer any proposed visit to the West side to a later date. Any discussion.

No, I think you're correct again. I didn't need to get back to Ali today. To confirm my potential availability to September and November meetings. And that seems like both of you were bringing on all 3, so. We can work out that we can work out.

Okay. Um, that's a way to move forward. Yeah. Yeah.

It sounds great.

Okay. In the discussion, all right. We want to item number 6. Presentation about East West trail concept for Alameda County. There is an attachment. I believe. About this attachment closing gaps in the very township on trails. Okay. Is there a presentation?

So, um, Sally Evers planning staff, um, at your last meeting, um. Supervisor, however, has asked to agenda as an item around the concept of the East West trail and ask staff to to find somebody to speak on that item specifically. So we have Dr. Larry Gosselin here to speak on that item. He's developed a presentation. And Dr. Gosselin, I can go ahead and share my screen and just let me know when to advance.

Let's go ahead and advance. Thank you for being here. Thank you for having me. Yeah, so, so, yeah, I'd like to thank the committee for hearing me. This, this presentation was put together with relatively short notice. So it's a little bit rough and I accept the fact that you'll be kind regarding that. So. I am not ready with any advisory for you. that are being discussed within the community. So it's important to know that. The trails that we're discussing, the concept of the East-West trail system, if implemented, will allow residents of Alameda County to connect with each other from West County to East County and then to our neighbors beyond. So it's a concept that's been considered for quite some time. Um, I call this presentations kind of a stewardship stewardship vision, because it advocates for trails that is managed as dynamic projects and create synergistic benefits for people, wildlife and the community as large. It's sometimes thought that, uh, trails and people are in competition and monitor trail management strategies. Remarkably minimize that risk. So the fact that a trail is being discussed doesn't mean that there's preference for wildlife or motorized bicycles or anything else. It's just the concept of multi-use trails are a priority for a lot of people. On to the next slide. Yeah, so again, the purpose of East West Trails are to connect neighborhoods and visitors to trails, to wine country and working lands. Working lands is a term of use that discusses integrating people, nature, and activities on property. Bridging the Livermore Valley communities as well as other communities in Alameda County allows for innovation, agriculture, and quality of life issues to be addressed. So it's remarkably important. Next slide. This is a trails map that's maintained by a GIS specialist who has been a consultant with East Bay Regional Park District. This consultant maintains this trails map and has last updated it the previous month in June. So looking at this map, you may notice that there are certain deficits that are present. There are certain areas that aren't used as extensively as others. On to the next slide. I've highlighted those areas that stand out dramatically, and we can see that two of them are in Alameda County. One is where we're sitting, the east side of the county or Murray Township. The fact that Murray Township has this remarkable deficit of developed trails by East Bay Regional Park District, uh, named the Murray Township Underground Zone. Uh, while looking at this map, I also recognize that there's a corridor that's parallel to 880 and our densest, uh, residential areas that, that also lacks, uh, uh, dedicated trail systems. Now, there, there are good efforts going on to develop that system and that actually expands the opportunity for east-west trails. Next slide. Uh, when discussing trails, it's remarkably important to consider money and they're they're on the right. You see the money trail that we should be following as we consider, uh, multi jurisdictional trail quarters. Uh, it's been discovered as we've done our work that East Bay regional park is district. Does not publish in a county of income or a budget that lists expenses of trails acquisition. operations, management, development that's specific to Alameda County versus Contra Costa County. Their records consider trails to span the district and whether it's expenses or acquiring income for those trails, the fact that that income and those expenses are distributed through the district is all that's relevant to them and sharing the information with the public. As a result, There's really no way for the public to evaluate the density of trials that exist and acquisition and expenses that are related to our income and expenses that are related to the acquisition management of those trails. So, standardization of bookkeeping is going to need to be a requirement for us to start evaluating whether or not resources as to bring equity to burn township. Next slide. So, so this is sort of a bottom line graph and all this really remarkable to see is the very bottom line, which is if, if a rough assessment is done of a set of tax assessors, valuation and properties in Alameda County versus Contra Costa County, what we see is that there is. a remarkable of property taxes that are likely going to, or a disproportionate number of taxes that are going from Alameda County to East Bay Regional Park District versus Contra Costa to East Bay Regional Park District. So the split can be as high as 60% from Alameda County to 40% from Contra Costa County. And the issue that comes forward is whether or not that distribution of trails that we saw on prior maps is accounted for or equitable with the amount of money that's being collected by our park district. Next slide. Now, fortunately, you know, What we're discussing today is trail orders and trails orders or trails, trail systems that expand. Jurisdictions and districts over the entire country and so California state has a statewide trail network and a state order program. Alameda County, there are Alameda County trails that participate in that program, but Murray Township has absolutely no representation in that at all. And so with that being the case, Alameda County has the potential to not only bring Murray Township into the statewide trail network, but we can combine that with other trails, specifically trail that are in deficit on the west side of the county. Next slide. And this highlights that quite a bit. You'll see that there are quite a few trails up in the Sierras that are part of the state corridor network. Those sort of funnel down and they funnel down into Contra Costa County. And on the other hand, to the south of Contra Costa County, we don't see any trails, state corridor trails. span alameda county uh at all so uh fortunately we've learned that there is interest on part of the state of curing that deficit so team building can be something that we do in the future next slide Uh, this doesn't show up well, so I'll explain this. This is a recent trail map developed by the city of deliver more. I believe, rather than live more area, recreation, park district, the city, and David could probably help us out with that. The city has been paying a lot of attention to the concept of region on trail systems and we've found that. They, the city of livermore and learn more area recreation park district. seem to be recognizing the corridor of trails can serve as a focal point for their regional trail system. And as a result, they have an extensive amount of planning that's been done actually over decades, but it's coming to the forefront with this general plan effort that's going to result in a lot of trail planning In an area that has relatively few trails that are developed. So our next step is to work with the cities and other jurisdictions to see the building occurs. And in order for that to happen, looking at a sort of a global picture has been done with Livermore area recreation park district as well as the city of Livermore is a way to go. A model has essentially been created for collaboration that can be expanded throughout the county. Next slide. So, so 1 of the reasons, you know, and this is a perception, uh, is that, uh, there really isn't a regional plan and I've heard board members from East Bay regional park district come out and say, we don't have the general plans for trust. We'd like to see 1. But what we have in the area is a fragmented jurisdictional structure without much collaboration across borders for trails. There are problems with funding moving around in a way that hasn't been traced very well. That's led to litigation between Livermore Area Recreation Park District and the East Bay Regional Park District to the tune of over 100 million dollars. And there's conflicting objectives. And even though Those of us involved with trails know there's conflicting objectives. As of yet, we're not talking to each other about them. So there's wildlife crossover areas that have the potential to interfere with regional trails for people. And then there's also, there's been this remarkable trend of taking land trust property that was secured for mitigation purposes and not condition it so that there can be a recreation. to the use of those properties. That's remarkably devastating. The biggest example of that is 8,000 acres that's been secured in the area of the Doolin Preserve. Of that 8,000 acres, the only trails that are being discussed now is 2.7 miles of an in and out trail, and that's the extent of it. And that's in an area that has remarkable amounts of residential development in the city out in Lane or out in, you know, the Isabel neighborhood area of Livermore. Next slide. So there's six steps to close the gap. And, you know, those involved border leadership position and beginning to consider how they can integrate staff into this trails coordination that's needed for the area. Re-evaluating existing plans to look for synergies, something that can be done. establishing and prioritizing gap closure projects. And we'll discuss gaps a little bit more. There are trail deficits that are as short as 300 feet that if all connected, if bridge would connect thousands of acres of potential trails to one another, and then establishing a working landscape trust or an administration that's based on acquisition of land with more than mitigation strategies but also including recreational strategies and agricultural strategies is something that could benefit alameda county it's certainly surf trail hoarders but it also be consistent And with measure D, and the purpose of the measure to enhance agriculture, and then finally lab goal as a, uh. Administrating body that oversees both agriculture and municipal infrastructure can recognize the need to standardize planning throughout the regional park district district. So, next slide. So what's being considered specifically for east-west trails, there are two quarters that are being discussed. One is just informally being called the Alameda County Gateway Trail, and it's being called that because there are two elements to the trail. One is that sort of north-south deficit area that we saw parallel to the 880 corridor or parallel to BART. That is essentially a connector region that one And once connections are created to the Ram Trail, East Bay Regional Park District's Ram Trail, or the Bay Trail, You know, there'd be a remarkable potential to essentially gather students in a figurative sort of a metaphorical sense and then connect them with with a branch to 580 that spans the county all the way to San Joaquin, creating opportunities for overnight events, long distance events, bicycle events, just a lot of a lot of potential could be created. that corridor into one structure. The second corridor would be the Alameda County De Anza Trail. And there's a remarkable amount of interest in the southwest corner of the county. We can connect with Santa Clara County there. But in addition to that, there are pathways up the Niles Canyon area. There's connectivity in the area of Ohlone College that can move us on to the Ohlone Trail, Lake Del Valle, and then connect to the area of Corral Hollow Road. That area is fairly In the future, the area is in need of a multi use trail and whether that be associated with the road or associated with other recreational developments by the state in the area. There is a need connect with San Joaquin County in the area of Tracy Hills. Um. So those are the two quarters that we're considering defining more completely, gaining community support for, and then moving forward with. Next slide. So here's a conceptualization, or here's a representation of how those groups began getting to conceptualize these quarter issues. I think the blue line stands out pretty clear as being the representation that I've described for the Gateway Trail. The conceptualization for east-west trail that extends from the southwest corner of Alameda and Santa Clara County to Corral Hollow Road is represented by that black line. The black line indicates sections of the De Anza Trail, which is the national trail and which we can commandeer with its existing infrastructure to create a state quarter trail. That state quarter trail will then, as I said, potentially connect to Corral Hollow Road and also follow the South Bay Aqueduct to the north-east corner of Alameda County, which will connect the county with the Delta and allow activities to occur with our neighbors in San Joaquin County. Next slide. These little stamps, they represent hospitality businesses, primarily hotels. And the reason I put them in is because it was just a graphic example of how recognizing the need for sort of an urban focused state corridor can create opportunity for us and not only create opportunity, but create alliances with the business community. Now, of interest is the fact that these corridors are also loaded with educational facilities. And so collaborating to grant educational opportunities is something that can be done. That sort of focus connecting hospitality to corridors extends out to San Joaquin County all the way up to Lodi. Next slide. Another redundant representation of But you can see that if we look at the BART system, it pretty well serves the focus for that can be extended to trail border development. Next slide. And this is a representation of that east-west component that will link with the north-south component that I just showed. A good amount of this red line, which represents the East West Trail to San Joaquin County already overlays existing infrastructure. So it starts at San effort by local residents to clean up San Lorenzo Creek and integrate it into trail systems, proceeds to Lake Don Castro, crosses over to the Pleasanton Ridge, follows the Arroyo Mocho, and then begins to lay down on trails that are being planned by the City of Livermore. Those trails can be extended once again to San Joaquin, and you can see that we've touched the Delta. We also touched the County border with Contra Costa County, allowing collaboration across the county line. Next slide. The same representation, but this is the southern component or the southern east-west trail. I'm showing this actually starting up a little bit higher at Alameda County, just to demonstrate the fact that there is overlap between these systems that can be filled in. that are being made by local jurisdictions. There's a red zone that looks like a tilted A up in the right-hand corner. That represents how trails can be developed either by expanding our quarters to include the South Bay Aqueduct or using existing trails that follow roads. Next slide. This is a multi jurisdictional effort, you know, and there's no doubt that the number of emblems representing those jurisdictions could expand exponentially. Next slide. And why build this? I mean, I think it's pretty common sense. It's what every jurisdiction aspires to when they start thinking about recreation, serving their citizens. It allows active transportation and transit access, regional recreation and tourism, wildlife borders and habitat connectivity, and co-use of existing infrastructure while starting to develop health systems included equitable access. And so, you know, certainly Alameda County is a sort of a modern hip community, and you see a lot of people out there exercising on the road and in the hills. But I think our jurisdictions could be doing a better job providing opportunities to expand on that eagerness that already exists. Next slide. You know, an interesting thing is, as that prior slide with the hotel stamps on it indicates the hospitality market is already here and, uh, you know, on 1 extent, we've shown the urban component. And they're always eager to increase the quality of life for their community. But then on top of that, we have the wine industry. We have the horse industry is rural industries that benefit from hospitality markets and events. Next slide. And then funding, you know, I was a decision maker for 16 years now, and I sat on a zoning board. And then I've been with the advisory committee for, uh, Alameda County for 10 years. That being said. I've been amazed at the number of funding opportunities that we are that we just don't pursue sequence an example. Every part of this put on the road because of a new project has an impact on trails has an impact on the rural landscape. We handle that with wildlife mitigation, but we don't handle the need for new recreation discussed by growth. Uh, you know, certainly the in East Bay regional park district litigation needs to be resolved and then wise use needs to be made those funds coordination across the borders of something that can be done. And the state is willing to participate in funding with, um. You know, reconsidering the the. Allegiance that Alameda County has to East Bay Regional Park District should be mindful and contemplated. We're providing a disproportionate share of funds. It may be the case that it makes more sense for Alameda county to stand on its own when it's providing recreation and then creating private land owner, uh, coordination. With trails uses is something that can be done. Uh, it's a heck of a lot cheaper to buy a Eastman across. agricultural property than it is to buy the entire parcel. And there's potential to keep properties acting with agricultural production by selling these to trowels rather than selling the entire property. Next slide. And then who makes it happen? You know, I've kind of went through this, but it's worth going through it again. The Alameda County Board of Supervisors have every right to take a leadership position on this, designate staff, discover staff that's interested in doing the follow up this, and start looking for funding resources that haven't been defined as of yet. Certainly the Alameda County LAFCO, I've mentioned their role, working landscape trust could be developed for unique agricultural land acquisition strategies. And then obviously the community is already active with some of these issues. And those of us that are more knowledgeable of the system need to start collaborating earlier in the process when we're discussing trust. Next slide. Uh, yeah, so here's 1 pathway and certainly I'm not fanfic about this. I mean, I just put this together as fast as I could. Uh, but right now. In the same way that we've developed, uh, or described East West trails, starting to identify North South trails in the gaps associated with them, or something we need to do and doing that to see that there's crossover at sensible places. Uh. Commissioning a gap closure map, I think makes a lot of sense. There's some gaps that are just remarkably easy to identify and easy to resolve. Request that LAFCO do a trail infrastructure study and standardize that study so that it can be done also by the smaller jurisdictions as well as the district. again, developing working landscape trust, and then looking at putting together joint feasibility scoping sessions where the big brains that exist in recreation and wildlife habitat in Alameda County can come together and start scoping out some of the potential that exists in this high resource county. Next slide. And that's it, and, you know, I'm pleased to say, and I advise this committee to call her up as the first person to give a testimony from the public, that Visit Tri-Valley, led by Tracy Farahead and her board, have come in support with the concept of regional coordination to develop trail systems with marketing that will enhance the objectives of alameda county so we're we're uh sort of passing the tests of uh what they have the potential to be harsh critics if we don't have viable plans but also remarkably good allies when we meet the purposes that we've described so that's it thank you very much appreciate that presentation opens my eyes to some things i never heard before right um yeah

Okay, let me bring it to the committee for questions or discussion.

That's a very good, very good presentation. I liked your visuals and you did a good job presenting it, but it has nothing to do with this committee.

Supervisor now requesting, so that's the nexus.

It has nothing to do with this committee.

I had also, I also had that question against it. We don't. Fund parcels for trails or anything, right? Just for open space. Feels like part of could so someone could approach the committee for funding to fund ourselves for trend.

And we. Yeah, it has been on there are there are new trails through parcels that your committee has funded.

I think there's anything in the civil agreement that. Supposed class.

Plus, it has a potential to target acquisitions. Certainly, uh, you know, those properties that have trails potential and the engraving trust potential.

But just to be in part, we provide funding to organizations that come to us. Want to grant funding from us, so a presentation saying how wonderful trails are. Even though itself has nothing to do with this community.

I agree with what you have said, it's very interesting to consider this in terms of how it may intersect with the work of this committee in the future. Um, I know commissioner, however, requested this. I, it's my understanding that a potential conflict between the proposed East West trail and the eventual Tesla. Facility or space area. Might come into conflict in future and I don't know.

Supervisor Robert. Not at all. Nope. Hey, the map that you showed was actually not the city of Livermore. So it was. Okay. The RPD map clearly shows that involving this trail, which we call T10. I say, we, I'm a CR4 rep here, but I'm also the elected director of the Livermore Area Recreation Park District. So I'm saying we as the director. have a trail T10 that is a low-use trail that goes along Tesla Road, does not enter Tesla Park at all. Goes along Tesla Road and will eventually go to the forward San Joaquin County. So anything to do with Tesla has nothing to do with T10. They're not conflict because trail T10 does not enter the Tesla Park property at all.

Yeah, I wasn't referring to that specifically. I don't know anything about T10. But I went wrong. There was something in the press recently about potential crossing of Tesla land.

Did that have nothing to do with this presentation or the topic before us?

My only intent thing that it was, I mean, I don't know, I can't ask, ask supervisor, uh, why he brought this up, but, uh, I can't believe it had something to do with that.

But, um, so that, uh, um, yes, I, I think in a couple of places. Show areas where there are more trails and isn't the cost of in Congress County than Alameda County and. let's talk about as a deficit or an inequity. I mean, are there constituencies that prefer to keep trails off of those areas? I mean, is that necessarily a result of an inequity or Is it just preference by people?

Yeah, there are long-term trials advocates, multi-decade trial advocates in the room. And, you know, the summary that's been given to me that is the easiest to put my arms around is that trials just aren't being built. And, you know, I was a horse veterinarian for 20 years in the county. I traveled around quite a bit and listened to compliance. My clients discussed politics and, And certainly the horse industry, the supporters of the travel economy, uh, they're just not. And so, you know, I haven't speculated on the reasons for that. And, but I, I do think it warrants review and a potential study. And, you know, it's probably the agency to do that.

Yeah, I mean, very interesting topic, you know, I'd be interested in. At least following what sure what happens in this topic in the future.

Yeah, maybe. And certainly any, any organizations you're involved with, you know, outside the committee will probably be targeted. And so that being the case, you know, having this committee define a nexus makes a lot of sense. And it's 1 of the ways we can start working at, uh, resolving this deficit that it appears to exist in the county. Using the infrastructure again, there's a theme of existing infrastructure. Let's use this to figure out how we can resolve this deficit. If, uh, you know, uh, land acquisition. If if your options are limited land acquisition and few easements. Well, that sounds pretty good to me. That's something that can help. Okay.

Yeah. 1 thing that comes to mind in regard to. Easements and acquisitions and we have, um. Always have some members of rangeland folks here. We're very interested in what we are doing. Um. This committee is doing and, um. Interesting perspectives on easements across the properties, right? Um. And what they view as the advantages and disadvantages, they've expressed that before in terms of our other regular. So, um, I'm always hearing that perspective as well.

Yeah. And, you know, that is my culture as a horse for 20 years, and I've been involved with active agriculture, making money at it since I was 11. and, uh, so, so that being said, uh, sort of the bottom line for the rural community is that considering. Progressive uses of your land and how they can support other agricultural operations. 1st of all, considering those progressive uses, they considered to be part of their agricultural operations. And then considering now, those can be woven together is something that's not uncommon for. Okay.

All right. Thank you. Yeah, we know in the South Republic comment down, so any members of the public who wish to address the committee. Um, please stand and do so right now with 3 speaker cards.

You have the cards.

And hello, I am Tracy, our CEO and president of visit Tri Valley. And I represent the communities, um, a little more Pleasanton, Dublin and Danville, and also over 40 hotels. So, um, I'm also a representative on Alameda counties, agricultural advisory committee. in the agritourism position. Our board of directors, as Dr. Gosling told us, voted unanimously at our last board meeting in support of the development and also to add marketing support for this trail, Nexa City Wellness Trail corridor. for the Tri-Valley Trails Network and under your consideration or listening to this presentation today. Trails connect us all. We actually have quite a few trails already with this Tri-Valley that we like to promote. We have the caffeine trail, beer trail, we have the ice cream trail, we have the wine trail, we even have an arts and culture trail, but what I literally don't have is a trail network that I can get on and hike and Have those extra recreational opportunities and so, um, and there are massive benefits of course, they provide recreation lot of positive benefits, both physically and mentally and for businesses and also for the awareness of the whole region. Um, I've had groups come to me interested in providing a, um. There's a marathon, a half marathon that's going to go up Mount Diablo, and I would love to have some of that business come over into the rest of the Tri-Valley region. So, and I'm also a very passionate and avid hiker along with my friend, Dr. Gosman. So, I just wanted to ask for your consideration today, especially when it comes to implementing funding a grant for this connection between all of our communities and pulling all the trails together. So, thank you.

Thank you very much.

The speaker next.

Well, we just heard a dismissal of the connection between trails and this committee. Well, um, this is, uh, very much. We were, we're all subject to anchoring bias and, uh, anything bias is what you see in front of you and where you are on the planet. So if you go to, um, the, the wine producing regions of Europe, And I'm thinking of the else, and I'm thinking of Southern Germany, both seen extensively. Then you just look in somebody's back here and they got a trail. And then they got the, they have their line in Germany is not so good, but they have trails and they have very good trails. Um, the, uh, you know, the, um, the white ones, but the, so the around here, um, we look around and we say, oh, we're coming up with this great program to create trails. This this create, we're creating neutral. Why should we create neutral? Why are we wasting our, our money, our tax money on all these trails to create the trails? Well, this again is angry bars, because we're sitting here today and we weren't, we are not standing here 200 years ago, or 2000 years ago when actually there was a trail over the small grade and people could walk from Fremont to Livermore. Um, and they're still and they did that until they built a freeway. And now, when you drive up that freeway has no trail for no walking, no biking, no, nothing. You used to be able to take your donkey up and down that thing. And now it's illegal. And, uh, this, the same thing with the pass with that freeway route has no trail. And if you go to other places where they build freeways in California, I'm thinking of San Diego, you see a trail to make it like, you see a trail next to the freeway. So, this is the kind of we have destroyed our trails. We took the trails and created freeways. And this is, this is the job of Calvin. This is what we've done. Maybe are your grandfather did that? So, anyway, and then, um, what test value 1, a few exceptions, by the way, you can actually have a good test available for and stuff like that. The funding predominantly goes to trails. I'll look at the park district's budgets and the, excuse me, funding goes to parks. They don't even budget. Cities, the park districts, nobody budgets for trails. The trails are so cheap that you can, you have to go dig. They don't have separate trail budget even. So they don't even know what they're spending because it's so tiny, so tiny. The trails are so cheap and They have, uh, in 1, 3 partners, 30,000 acres, 1300 miles of drill. That's 100 acres per mile. There's a deep connection between acreage and trails. And it's probably probably 100 acres per mile. So, when you talk about, we're doing, we're not doing trail. Well, as soon as you start talking about. Acreage you're talking about trails and the ratio is a 100 acre per month what you need and to trade and last thing Tracy Hills has a 5Million dollar fund because of their all those houses they built and they're going to build. They took 5Million dollars and they're going to spend it on trail improvements. And the supervisor and county goes to that meeting once a year and they talk about how to spend money on improving on improving transportation. And they were thinking about improving freeway. So I'd like to ask them, maybe they could spend a little money. I'm on trails and should we give you help you time.

Right. I said, we have Andrew.

Greetings everyone. Sorry. Yeah. Uh, not a substantive discussion, but just a comment.

I said, what was the point? I'll speak to you later. I'll speak to the public later. Let's have the next public. Okay. Thank you.

Greetings. My name is Andrew A. Turnbull. I'm a resident of Sinaloa and I've lived about 51 out of my 55 years here in Alameda County. I'm currently the Vice President and Executive Director of the International Horsemanship Foundation. We give grants and scholarships worldwide and our headquarters is in Sinaloa. I'm also a journalist, one of the free titles I offer Zalco Ag News and that's because the work that is being done by the Alameda County Ag Advisory Council is tremendous and it needs to be written down and it needs to be covered by a journalist who's not a member of that committee. I am now providing that service. There where I've been in these meetings and seen the hard work that Larry does, the hard work that Tracy does the hard work that Dick is doing the hard work that other people in that group are doing. And I'm here to stand for you in full support. Of what we heard today from where now I'm going to qualify myself further because, you know, it takes a while to get through my own list. And I'm also the Alameda County representative to Barry Barnes and trails. I'm on that board. And to that end more trails, especially for horses. And we recognize we have to share with bicycles, so we're not going to fight them. But I tell you what, we're going to work. We want to ride our horses. I'm a competitive trail rider. My wife is a state champion in competitive trails. We want to be out on the trails with our horses, and we want to see more of these trails. Finally, I got my Eagle Scout 50 years ago, troop 900 in California. But what matters is two years before that, I got my horsemanship merit badge in Scouts, and that because that was my access to horses that I always wanted to do. And just after going to grad school in Silicon Valley and making enough money to live in Samoa to have horses, now I get to have a job full time running the International Horsemanship Foundation. And it all started with a horse and getting to ride that horse on a trail. It's good for your heart. It's good for humans. And I hope that you and this organization, by the way, in my 30 seconds, I will say, because David Howard is our elected official in Sonal, California, the unincorporated area where I live. I know for a fact. that David Halbert supports this concept. He wants this. That's why he brought him here. David's told me this personally. I stand for that. David, like me, supports this. Thank you for your respected attention. May the horse be with you.

Thank you very much for your comments. I appreciate that. Anyone else who wanted to send in the card?

Afternoon, I'm Ian Helm with the Chief Operating Officer for the Alameda Clean Resource Conservation District. Just wanted to comment for some clarification as we came up in the presentation a couple of times. The ACRCD should not be confused as a land use authority. We're not. That's not what we do. I believe what Mr. Gosselin might have listed us, and I believe some of his slides, is because of our work in wildlife habitat. Uh, so just real quick, our mission focuses on natural resources management and agriculture. On trails, we're neutral. That is not work in our mission. That's not work we undertake. Do I see value in trails?

Yeah.

Yeah, I don't need to repeat what's been said already today. What I can speak to is our work in wildlife connectivity and crossings. And there I see some shared values with folks who advocate for recreation and for trails in that both public access to recreation and wildlife borders may be in alignment around land protection and preservation. No doubt. And so I appreciate, Larry, on your slide 21, you noted wildlife borders and connectivity there. Thank you. Wildlife crossings and fencing reduce vehicle collisions, which makes drivers safer. Further, wildlife crossings improve the health of wildlife through reduced traffic collisions and increased genetic distribution. So we've got healthier wildlife populations. That tends to be something that people enjoy when they're recreating, especially in low impact ways such as trail use or enjoying our recreational and open space lands. The Alameda County Resource Conservation District is coordinating with East Bay Regional Park District, Hayward Area Recreation District, and the Livermore Area Recreation and Parks Districts, all of whom have expressed supports for our efforts, support for our efforts, and really our work in connecting with them is conflict avoidance. We don't want to try to build wildlife crossing infrastructure where there is already a clear plan to build a recreational trail and vice versa. We would like to avoid, uh, intense to build recreational trails in the exact same footprint as a wildlife crossing. And that is because it's this committee's heard in the past. Um, both from folks like Fraser Schilling, and you've received, I believe, uh, written research that were scientific literature on this topic. Wildlife crossings, those discrete facilities are not compatible with human recreational uses. It is discouraging to wildlife connectivity. Thank you.

Thank you for your comment.

We have another one more. Celeste Garamendi.

Thank you very much. My name is Celeste Garamendi. I'm here as a rancher. I had to do work this morning, eating hay, taking care of Cal, and also as a conservationist. I also had the question of why was this presentation made? And now I know that it is because ultimately the endorsement of this plan, this concept, will come before this committee, total or in part. I hope that this committee will not endorse this particular plan as it is presented because it has some serious flaws. We don't have time to name the model, but I want to talk about sort of one of them is the concept embedded in the presentation that recreation should be prioritized over conservation. That all recreation is equal and that recreation does not impact conservation values, natural and cultural resources. It does. As being identified, The committee knows this from its general work, but also in the last meeting, Dick Snyder presented a compendium of research put out by the Department of Fish and Wildlife documenting the impacts of recreational activities on natural resources. We can't ignore that fact. The other area that is of great concern about this proposal is the idea that conservation easements are now going to be repurposed to emphasize recreation. As a rancher, as a person who has done conservation easements, the potential that this committee is going to say, well, if you want a conservation easement, you have to allow public access or allow a trail through your land is something that is, I think, unheard of. It amounts to a reverse condemnation and it is something that this committee certainly should not endorse in any way. I will further say as a brancher, that the idea that the branching and renovation are compatible is generally false. There may be some select cases where that's possible. A landowner may say, I want to sell a portion of my land, get the money for it in order to allow a trail, or I'm willing to sell an easement for access, but that is not a conservation. A conservation easement conserves land, and that's what this debate is about. This committee has a special role and an opportunity to actually dedicate and maintain its purpose for conservation. Please do not let that purpose be diluted or transferred or money misused from the perspective of not dedicating towards that purpose. Thank you very much.

Thank you for your time there.

We have a few more. Yeah.

Hi, I'm Olivia Sam long and I'm our more five director for East Bay regional park district board of directors. I represent the Dublin, Pleasanton, Livermore. He's during the money, you know, the county as well. So there can be more portions of the general architecture, which is 2 counties Alameda and Comcast counties. And I've been wanting to come to one of your meetings from wild times my schedule and these big marks does conflict with your schedule. But 1 of my goals is to try to be here a little bit more frequently and or I'm not able to maybe provide some comments on topics, but certainly protecting open spaces, but also providing public access to open spaces, I think is of critical importance. and i really look forward to working more closely with everyone here um i did miss the presentation so i'm not going to comment directly on the presentation but i may provide some additional comments later thank you very much next one thank you larry for that presentation um i also i'd like to encourage this group to look at their mapping tool i found it really useful

And if you could include an overlay on the mapping on the mapping tool, that would show some of these regional trail plans. So, then, when you're considering a piece of property, besides all the other categories, you would overlay 1 of the map. And would show where these trail quarters are. So, you could say, is this piece of property potentially going to help. With 1 of these established regional travel plans. Well, that might be something that would allow this group to say, oh, there is a trail through here. There's not a. But you would find a way to put that as a overlay on your tool. It could be really helpful for this.

People in this committee could sort that out. Thank you to want to ask staff. Um. Is that something that, um. Is this planned? Does it exist already or?

So the mapping tool was developed through a contract state or committee approved with UC Davis or UC ANR. So they hold that map. They developed it. And I think, you know, we'd be probably looking to whether they were interested in putting on additional to Develop other layers for that now, um, you know, they're, they're working on a, um. That's something that you're going to be able to put something around, uh. In the ecosystem services, and that's something that could be added to that map. So, um, the map could certainly be further developed. Yeah.

Okay, just for my information. Good to know. Thank you. And another speaker.

Yes. Uh, dictionary.

My comment is that I'm surprised that this project, this analysis is coming here first. I would think this is the last stop. First stops should be the places East Bay Regional Park District, LARPD, other districts that might want to build the trams. And then when they figure out what they need, the resources, the monetary resources they need to acquire the land, the easements, Then they would come here instead coming here. 1st, doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me. I'm glad to see that you were able to make it. And it is too bad that you didn't see the full presentation, but when you do, maybe you'll come back and give your reaction or have the park district come and give its reaction to. To this presentation, because I think that's where it needs to start with the actual entities that are going to. Hold the trails, um, as far as conservation easements go, I'm not sure that. Landovers well, first of all, who's going to hold the landowner may sell the instrument that their web. Entity is going to hold the easement, monitor the easement, enforce the easement, make sure it's being done correctly. And I mean, there's a lot of. A lot of questions that need to be answered before this committee, or any other funding agency would want to be paying for an easement. And I think that it would be useful to have the park districts come here and make presentations like they did. Um. Maybe 10 years ago, when we were first starting the idea of when this committee was first starting the idea of figuring out what the priority on priority areas to focus attention on, um, and then talk about the funding after those. Alignments trail alignments in the case of trails are, um, are developed. Thank you very much. Any other comments any online?

No further speakers on Sam.

Okay, thank you.

I mean, before you take your discussion, um, this item is not going to come to this committee for approval. That's not within this committee's jurisdiction. So, um. Make that clear that's not into the terms of the settlement agreement committee is very prescribed roles under the settlement agreement. Um, so we just want to make that clear. Okay.

Yeah. Thank you for bringing that out. Um, imagine that anyone who wants to make application. May do so in the normal manner. Um, so, all right, this has been a lot of good information. Is there any further discussion by the committee?

So, clarify 1 thing. Tell me what I had said. And so it was the following and 1st of all, in favor of trails, I'm a 50 year competitive distance runner. Running on trails for over half a century. I'm committed long term hyper. Using many of the trails, I'm not against trails. I'm not against this proposal. I told him that it's very, very well present. Very interesting, but it really did. This is not the place for this proposal. This is not the place for this presentation. I'm not against turtles and your implication that I am is totally misunderstood what I said. East Bay Regional, as Mr. Gosselin pointed out, received over a hundred million dollars from the LARPD taxpayers taxpayers within the L. A. L. T. D. service area. They are quite a tough sharing agreement. They are responsible for regional trails. Very clearly stated in the tax sharing agreement. A hundred million dollars since the night early nineteen nineties. The deficit of trails and very township nothing to do with the county Can you do with the city over the words that you could do with an L. A. R. P. D. That has to do with East Bay and is Mr. Gosselin already pointed out in his earlier presentations. He's paying doesn't it can we could put the slide back up, but he's paid without account for where their money goes. So, we want to look at trends. We need to look at the source of who has the funding. Who has the jurisdiction, but again, Kelly. I'm in favor of trails. I'm a trail user for probably 70 years. This is not the place for this presentation. Should have gone to East Bay, should go to the county, should then come back to us by somebody who wants a great funding from us. And we will talk about whether we're going to issue that money as a grant. This proposal

should not be coming to this concept plan nothing to do with us thank you for your your discussion comment um Christine anything else before it was okay uh yeah this is uh um brought forward at the request of supervisor Harvard very informative uh lots of good information and I think a lot of us weren't aware of this good public interaction um always good when we receive uh Um, engagement on anything that the, uh, committee might face. Um, so with that, I'll thank you for coming forward and I appreciate everything. Thank you. Okay. All right, what was that item? And move on to item number 7 update on state planning process, which is.

Staff has no updates on this. If you are interested in opening public comment, um.

Okay, any discussion questions 1st, I think public comment. Well, the only information is in the last state parks and. Agenda for the commission meeting, there was an item about Tesla part and the plan plan is for staff to present the draft general plan classification at the end of this year, December, they should have something available and then draft. Whether that will happen or not, we don't know the actual progress, but in 5 months, there should be for me to the agenda anyway. The something for the public to get. Fingers the other public comments and comments online.

Uh, number stands online.

Okay. I will comment anything further by the committee on the side. Okay, thank you. We'll move on. Who was I number 7, Yvonne, United number 8 updates on available funding.

Additional items planning staff and county as of June 30th, 2026 would be Eastern area. The fund balance is 21,505,152 dollars and 80 cents. For the Western area, 3,800,000,31 dollars and 80 cents. Okay, thank you. Any discussion.

What comments? Any online comments? Okay, thank you. Move on to item number nine, future agenda items and speakers. And I see the bullet list here. It says three bullets, field trip to visit priority areas and recent acquisitions, which we discussed earlier. Update on the East Bay Wildlife Connectivity Project. And I assume that PML, do we need to be involved in that? And future presentation appreciate that and then regular updates on the payment for ecosystem services project. Of course, we always look forward to any updates from Dr showing and all those involved in that.

Anything else that nothing to add.

So, I have a comment on the ecosystem service for the, for the grant that this committee awarded to UC Davis. My understanding is that the final grant approval is going to go to the. For the, um, administration of the grants is going to go to where we don't want city council this month consent calendar. So, once it's approved, then the grant funding can start the. The actual technical work can start once the money's approved. Good to know that's a grant. The committee already voted in favor of some time ago and is going for counseling. Okay. Um, for the components. Online comments. Okay. All right. Um, thank you. Close item. 9 move on to 9th, November 10. our next meeting will be on September 18th, 2026. Um, and. The last item is any meeting questions comments more. And then after that. Any questions comments. Okay. This means.