Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

okay we're good okay so Trisha CL with plan staff um presenting the general plan Amendment 202-21 um just for some quick background I know that a lot of you guys were involved in it but maybe for members of the public and for um our records is that uh a reone had come through both Planning Commission and Council when it reached Council um they wanted it to come back through Planning Commission with a general plan Amendment because it did not um reflect accurately what the request was with the general plan so uh the council put that on planning commission's UH responsibilities is to get that um to see if that's what what you guys would prefer to see in that area I guess essentially it's up to you guys to decide how you recommend that to council it will have to go to council similar to Reon um so you're recommending um but essentially this area in the general plan is an A type use um so we would just change that 40 acres or um possibly more if you wanted to do that in that area uh to residential so that's what the general plan amendment is requesting is to change that 40 acre parcel and you guys can decide if you want to do more in that area or not to from a to residential any questions actually I think I do have a couple questions can can you hear me okay yeah um if I'm understanding correctly that we we can't go back and review the um

septic or the or the um the wells is that correct correct not in a general plan no it's you're just changing the use of that area from from a to residential that's it okay just wanted to verify that's part of what we cannot review so there are a number of other issues that I think we we could take a look at and one of the ones I I felt like as a commission in in general that we' there weren't any comments last time about this and I feel like maybe more consideration could be given to this and that is there were a lot of public comments about um well both traffic and uh potential headlights upon the the the neighbors just across the street and I feel like that that could play a role in decision making so I I wanted to put that out there commissioner back yes keep us on track that's not something that we talking about this meeting only we're talking about is we're going to recommend to the council to change the and so well I understand that but I thought we are also being opened up to discuss anything from the previous meeting so guess I'm corrected chairman you're correct however in looking at changing the uses from agriculture to residential you absolutely can discuss any impact that the residential use may have in that area but not specific not specific to the development no okay that's that sorry that's what I was trying to say

okay understood anything else commissioner Backstrom no I don't think so thank you any other board members questions or comments for the staff okay is this something that we don't take General comments on right we don't have comments yes we'll have a public a public hearing yes oh my mic went not hello yes we'll have a public hearing did you hear me hello it says green but I can't hear you that's what I think the mic's not working Tony that one's not working hello it's quiet Tony can you hear us I don't think any of the mic's working this either audio I think they're all off great no one wants us to have a meeting tonight all right ising your microphone working it I can hear the mics through the ceiling is it working now it's working now we can hear you oh there there's mine our mics went out for whatever reason okay so yes we will have a public hearing on it

did you get that uh good evening my name is Jason Harris we open it yes you guys oh no we changed that right okay all right uh good evening my name is Jason Harris with JG development of toilla uh I'm the applicant for the reone that resulted in this item being on your agenda this evening I just want to take a quick moment and point out a couple of the benefits the community in consideration of changing the general plan designation for our property to residential and consider the surrounding land that is also affected by this conflict of the general plan that identifies the area as a or sensitive lands and the land zoning being residential that's the main conflict is ones designated a and the the zoning is residential for all those surrounding uh Parcels um this part of the to Valley is very desirable for residential housing due to its proxim proximity to the scenic ochre mountains and being close to local grocery stores restaurants and gas stations I believe availability of homes in this area will attract more fluent members of the community which boosts economic growth for twill County offers more mid-range to upper-end housing to complement the large amount of first-time housing that is currently dominating the housing market in our County this also increases tax income to the county and Community from property taxes and local grocery stores restaurants and fuel fuel purchased by the additional residents at these esta lishments I believe this is an opportunity to attract potential business owners to the community which also brings additional Revenue to our local businesses and taxes to our governments I've spoken to another land owner in the area that mentioned they have intentions to either develop some of their land or possibly sell to a developer which uh their parcel is also affected by this uh General plan uh designation and Zoning conflict uh I look forward to hearing other community members comments and the

discussion of the uh Commission on this matter thank you yeah I'm Gordon Fields I was here last time and and all of the developments it's happened in Pine Canyon have been 5 acre lots and I'm opposed to anything less than 5 acre lots and I know a couple of you have five 5 acre lots and live on them anybody that lives on a 5 acre lot in Pine Canyon definitely opposed to change in the plan anything less than that you know might need to be changed from you know agriculture but when you say residential there has to be a limit on the lot I mean we're definitely not opposed I mean we're definitely opposed to like one and three acre lots like they was talking about last time so I mean we're we're all against it and anybody that does live in Pine Canyon on a 5 acre lot definitely going to be opposed to it and we should we should stay with what's you know what what the normal is in Pine Canyon and not change it to any City type lot thanks

greetings my name is Brian so last name spelled Tso I wasn't able to make the last meeting um I live in the golf course subdivision directly west of the proposed uh uh resoning of the 40 acres uh I as a t City resident have a few concerns over this matter that I wish to share with you and this body uh I am concerned about the fact that this agricultural land is able to be reson from 5 acre lots to smaller Parcels uh which I'm opposed to um having a smaller small small than 5 acre lots I'm also concerned with the fact that this development will be a huge draw on the city water and Lincoln culinary Water Systems what happens when the water when the wells dry out where will the water come from I also have a concern about the added measure of traffic on smelter road if more of these smaller lots are approved uh the the road is traveled quite frequently by TOA County residents that are either uh walking jogging riding their bicycles and are just simply out to get some fresh air I already have safety concerns about the current infrastructure that exists in this area uh many young people frequent this this roadway at all hours and I emphasize all hours of the day and night uh to do exhibition races several people speed on this roadway uh my wife and I have almost been run off the roadside while walking because somebody was not paying attention or just simply thought that they were being funny edging us off the the walkway I would like to be able to walk safely on this road with my wife and my grandchildren there are already many uh nefarious activities that happen day and

night on this roadway I.E vandalism drug trafficking drug use and assaults our County Sheriff's Department are already short-handed as it is it takes them a long time to respond to any call these citizens walk this area because of the beautiful mountain views in this area that that is that is exhibited my family and I enjoyed the nice Mountain views from my backyard this was the principal reason for my wife that my wife and I chose to build in in this area thank you will you wrap up your thought please okay thank you once again I'm opposed so my name is Tom binus and I was here at the last meeting too I just had a couple of questions on how it'll affect the area around 40 acres by changing that to uh residential or will it affect it at all is anybody have any answers or okay well the other items aren't dealing with just that part of the rone so I don't really have anything else

okay my name is Chris Lowry I'm probably affected more than anyone up there uh I don't see having a master plan for the county if it's not going to be followed if it's just you know somebody comes in with money and decides they want to change the zoning up there I know the water isn't available and the way the soil is up there the septic tanks are going to be a problem so that's my concerns my name is Kim Hanson I also live over there I get super nervous and you guys are all really scary but but I have the same same concerns with the water and stuff because living on Ericson Road we have had days where we've been called and said hey hurry and get water for your animals they you know we're not pumping enough water we're not going to we don't know when it's going to be back up so we've actually lived through not having enough water sometimes and we have to take care of you know our animals or get what we can until things can get back up but on a broad perspective just as a taxpayer here in the county I'm concerned with what is this doing to the taxpayers so the developers come in and they develop it they get their money out of it and then they kind of leave and wash their hands and us as the taxpayers are left to pay for the new schools I mean right now we have a big issue in t County with all the developments that have been approved we've got a lot more students coming into our area and we can't afford it

right now we need to catch up the schools that we have they're bursting the seams the schools that they're building now they're just you know the expenses for those were a lot more than they thought they were going to be and as a taxpayer I can't keep paying to build new things for the developers that are coming in and they just wash their hands and leave the tax money and the tax revenue that they bring in with those houses isn't enough to cover all the stuff that we have to cover later thank you Mrs Hansen yes can you sign in please oh yes is there any other public comment at this time close the public hearing uh commission do you have any other comments or questions for St I think I have one question um so if this moves through tonight do we have to rehear the the reone so they would have to bring the

reone back is that what I understand correct yes if if this is recommended to pass through Council that's what they sent it back through both of them uh through you guys so we'll have to hear the reone again no matter how you decide on this one too so it'll have to come back through thank you so the question before us is do we want to am the general plan leave it as it if suest amending the general plan what would be the guidelines for that so chairman it's just a recommendation to the council to either amend the general plan from agricultural uses to rural residential uses or to leave it as agricultural so you're making a recommendation to the Council on this keep in mind it's already zoned Ro residential 5 so they could already do 5 acre lots up there if they would were sewing inclined to even with the general plan being agricultural right yeah and there's no conditions on the general plan like this like you do in a rezone um that happens at the rezone so it's just you're just changing from a to residential or not or the only the only other question would be I have one question yeah that'll be something you guys discuss and you can decide on uh yes blanket um when I read this right here okay he's requesting reone from R5 uh 5 acre minimum to R1 and uh uh you

our one one acre minimum property is 40 acres applicant like to do a subdivision of one acre lots or larger open right we're not talking about the reone though we're talking about just the so resal this is this is what's in front of me okay so I'm looking at it I'm saying I look at the plat on the lots and I count them up and there's a lot more than 40 Lots there I'm not I don't scroll down here and I look at it but it's attached right here and every page I look at has a drawing here with a whole bunch of lots I think there's 98 yeah you're on the fre Zone we're not we don't have that what what the information we were given here and so I'm just looking at saying Madam chairman I I just want to know how many Lots we're really talking about we're not we're not talking about Lots you're you're so you have I understand that we're talking about a rezone no right I'm no no we're talking about the general plan and whe right the general plan altering the general plan right so we're not talking we're not talking about it's just that general area and the general use is not thees this is the one I downloaded yeah so that was your old agenda so I looked at it when you were requesting some help that's the old the old agenda that was sent out I guess all I'm saying is to make an informed decision to vote it'd be nice to know exactly what we're talking about here well it sprung on because of the

rezone right this is the reason why we're here for that but just take that out for now do you want resal is are we going to be R5 or are we going to go to smaller that's no no mm- nope right now you're just going to go do you want it this area to follow like what it currently is R R5 do you want to change it to a which is what the general plan has planned or um if you decide to make it residential um then he can request the rezone at that time uh the council can revisit the rezone at that time because it conforms to the general plan but but because the area is currently zoned right now rr5 they could come in for a subdivision with 5 acre lots right now but that's why it triggered the general plan is because that rezone was coming back right so it they wanted the they wanted you guys to decide if in the future you guys see this area as anything residential or if we need to possibly rezone that whole area to a to conform to the general plan or if it does residential just know that more reson will come in and probably have that impact in that area right because it now conforms to whatever that General plan is for that residential area so you're just doing a a really broad thing right now for what you guys foresee in the future for this area so like I but like I said it's kind of tricky because the zone is currently rr5 so anybody could come in and do 5 acre subdivision in those areas so did you say if we if we if we send it back as a recommendation for the the a plan then that's when you go to one acre or more

potentially no for a you said that correctly no the a the AGS are um we have a couple zones we have a five 10 20 40 I Mard that then okay so that's what they can do there so if you change it to a it would have to conform to all of our a zones which we have 5 acre minimum t 10 acre minimum uh 20 acre minimum and uh that's what they would have to Zone it too or or change or subdivide too they could do five acre lots still if they if it's a right so but it's just yeah the council just wanted it to it's like a formality to make sure that if if that's really what you guys want as rezones and just know that they could come in and reone for smaller you guys had decided that that area was residential that they could do that and then once the rezones do come in that's where you make all those conditions um lot sizes density Heights uses that's where you guys get the nitty-gritty stuff with the results Madam chair I want to point a clarification is this time that we're given now a time to only ask the staff uh questions that we have or is it a time to express uh our thoughts and concerns on this or are we going to have an opportunity to do that later this would be time commission okay um so in thumbing through the monster of what is our general plan and going through the

literature um and then researching past instances where there have been changes to the general plan by this body it appears to me that there are two or three things that need to be looked at in order to consider amending the general plan first is need is there a need for this to happen um one could argue that it could as staff said in their report help us with our moderate income housing need um I wonder how affordable a house on 3 acres will be uh to fac uh facilitate that need the second is impact um traffic infrastructure quality of life all those things need to be looked at we've uh went over that in the reone process we won't beat a dead horse but but um and the third one which wasn't talked about a lot but I think is important is uh the neighboring community's opinion I think that needs to be considered in making a decision um I'm not going to say which way I feel one way or the other about this until we vote but um that's my opinion as to what we need to look at before we all make a decision all right um just a things to clarify uh the general plan we have worked on it as a body for several years we have

ideally we would look at it the only thing is that in our training we by La we have to give a legal reason why we're going to um from the general public in open house I'm spashing in my eyes as to this developers when you come I happen to know this devel we have certain standards we have to take into consideration we do this so personal opinion should not be involed Madam chair uh point of clarification this is going to be a question for staff so I I realized that a motion cannot be used to make a decision uh you need to use logic not emotion and um I

know with a with a rezone we have to give a legal reason why we um why we would deny a rezone my question is and I don't know this and so I'm truly asking on a general plan Amendment um we do we H can we take the public's opinion into consideration on an amendment on a general plan Amendment and a reason you can take the public's opinion into consideration the only reason you need to clarify a no vote is so that the council knows why the Planning Commission is recommending against something that's the only reason okay so can you clarify commissioner Scott's comment pertaining to a legal reason must given when an application comes before you you have to look at the code the state code and the county code you have to look at that and you have to determine if it's legal does it meet the statute is everything there that's required by the state and by our local codes on a rezone and a general plan amendment is the only time that you can take opinion uh there's not clear requirements that you have to follow in doing a rezone and a general plan but that's the only time if somebody comes before you with a subdivision or a cup or a cup and they can meet all the requirements of the state and the local code that's when you have to have legal findings to deny the only reason we asked you to

clarify a no vote on a reone and a general plan amendment is so that the city coun or the County Council knows why you said no why you're recommending against it so yes in a rezone and a general plan Amendment you can take the public's opinion into consideration now keep in mind on the flip side of that if you were to recommend against it and the council was to say no and the appc filed an appeal then the judge is going to want to know if the public is coming in saying this is going to lower our property taxes they need to be able to prove that so there has to be some factual basis to back up The public's opinion if it got to a point where it was challenged legally thank you does that answer your question absolutely thank you suggesting I me on it like you said we had a dozen open houses nobody show up I'm not suggesting need to make the recomendation if we if we want to keep it or we want to amend it to the County Council so mad chairman I made this commission Hope just add a quick statement or opinion but one thing to can you hear me yes plan I mean and thank you

just residential me think that and so thank you chairman hope I hope you don't mind me riding your coattails of your last comment but I want to add to it um so if you look to the South and if you look to the West yes there are uh many high density neighborhoods um I would say the difference is th

those neighborhoods are in the city limits um everything surrounding this subject property is rr5 um agricultural to the uh to the immediate South to the east um Trish what is it to the North most of that is just all pine Canon so it would be R5 R1 what's the general plan though oh it's residential that's so across the street is residential north side of of uh smelter road is residential South Side is is agricultural up until you reach the Conservation District then it becomes open space if I'm reading this correctly and so I would I agree with you commissioner hope I would just say um there there are slight differences in the communities to the South and West versus um the one that we uh the subject property that we are talking about the properties to the that have discussed our made comments tonight we had to do um some resoning for them so that they could get for because 10 years ago yeah thank you thank you for the clarification I agree with you um my question is did you change did you have to amend the general plan for those proposed Lots where Mr Fields lives yes absolutely so if if it was agricultural could they not have built on 5 acre lots anyway not at that time um because it was

mu40 I'll make a recommendation I recommend that we do we what's the we're making a recommendation to the County Council to amend the TOA County plan to allow to change this 40 acres from agricultural to residential we have a to make the recation to am the toal do I have a second second have a motion in a second we will yes commissioner how do you vote yes that was stats sorry yes thought I clicked commissioner step how do you vote Yes commissioner D how do you vote no I'll give my reasoning the reasons I mentioned before um I don't think it meets pardon so I seconded it to bring it to a vote okay that doesn't mean that I have to vote in favor of the motion okay just one to correct um um just as just for the reasons I stated before I don't think it meets our need I don't think I think it has a negative impact as stated by uh um the traffic study did not show a negative in Impact but as far as

infrastructure it did uh with t City and um the uh neighboring comments were not um in favor in fact I don't think there's one that was in favor and so um that's my reasoning why this is commission yes and we skipped Beckstrom really I I asked him and I heard it it was STS answered for him so he didn't really he didn't really get a vote yet st's heard incorrectly so call on him I guess so so I'm I'm also voting no and I'm I I I I'm I'm I'm I'm kind of uh the same area as uh commissioner da I just I can't uh verbalize all those reasons exactly the same way he did but I I I agree with I'm kind of piggybacking on what he said all all the same reasons I just don't know how to how to uh verbalize in the same way so it's it's still a no vote right yeah split yeah oh what was your reasoning Tony reasoning is because we just adopted this JN [Music] time years later it will be a time to revisit it but not now just my thought okay thank you point of clarification question for staff so do we just move it does it move on is a three three tied

to so if we don't have a substitute motion it will'll move on as a negative recommendation okay I'm sorry I can't hear him when you have turn sorry we're just kind of discussing um a substitute motion would probably just be the other way to to not recommend and then it would probably just be a tie again just with the opposite effect okay so there's no other motions that you want to try and mic or anything just want to clarify that no other motions you guys are settled with the split vote because it was made so point of order point of order uh Rachel Rachel I don't recall if we can discuss now after V is um I have a question to ask chairman okay Scott on her opinion as a just point made a com we SP years um designing no it's only three years the general only three years old made it sound like the whole that's not the

just the work went into a small part of it I yes my thought is someone to start opening it up then that gates open the FL gates open and we see it I do recognize it is a living apologize if that wasn't clear okay so that's the that's the end of our agenda so it's up to you guys decide what happens next Madame chair I make a motion to adjourn second change that right we don't think we have to V for to let it go to the the County council with the split decision and on changing the general plan and that will be up to them is that correct Trish yeah that's correct so because it was split it would go as more of a negative recommendation um but they'll know that it's going to be the split decision so that they can determine that and then um all your reasoning and stuff they should know all that so then they'll they'll decide the final say Madam chair point of clarification just question for staff real quick so you're saying they could send it back they could yeah

yeah well I situation I don't want to give I don't want to give Mr Harris to runaround I that's why I think we need to we need to come up with something tonight I yeah yeah suggestion weed it what was that no no they gave their reasonings and I don't think we take that consideration interject one thing if you guys are committed to work through this tonight so that the council doesn't send it back to you um our next motion we need to change it from agricultural to low intensity residential not just residential please make sure that gets clarified low or medium intensity um we have to specify which residential intens all right can you tell us the difference between low and medum inity um I'm sure it's spelled out in the general plan I don't know off the top of my head but low um low intensity so we have um our residential areas can go um I would say 40 acres or smaller and then the medium is um 5 to 10 and the high density well 1 to 10 probably and then the high density is more of your one acre or smaller the general plan spells out I'm sure exactly what those say so oh yeah okay so those would be

like the high intensity ones would go from anything smaller than an acre um to your multiple residential high-intensity residential medium is 1 to five and then low is anything bigger than [Music] that I have a point of clarification just there was a motion I'm not saying that we need to adjourn I I thought we were done I made a motion to adjourn it was seconded based off the rules we adopted we don't have to vote on it correct chair the chair has to recognize it so we are good to continue okay I just wanted to I just wanted to clarify yeah the chair has to close the meeting but keep in mind that your A Properties start at 5 Acres too so it could be a medium density with with a too I could do five acres with those Acres no General plan change yes nothing even bring it before us right for they could do a yeah yeah they could do the five acres sub sorry I didn't understand exactly what you're asking so yeah yeah because that zone is currently R residential uh right now it hasn't been changed to a even though it's projected as a it's currently R5 so they can do what's currently there right now so M and uh and Trish are we allow

askis get answers um I think Mr Harris is not the applicant yeah unfortunately the reason you can Trish I may be able to answer your question though well if I'm not just if I'm not mistaken didn't he agree last time he was uh you guys put that condition on itre thank you thank you for that thank you that so that to me is I we all agree we all said yes I bring that up because if this gets approved um I to resal we that's the first step formality the second step is we [Music] uh so that you can't go smaller than five acres right now understand yeah so it'll have to remain as yeah that'll have to remain as our R5 or if you change it to a be before you make your motion commissioner just can I get a clarification again on low

intensity residential the low intensity um it would be I have to think of all of the zones that we have that are residential um we have the rr10 rr5 and the rr1 um so the medium intensity would be like probably 1 to 5 Acres the medium residential um the low intensity would be probably anything bigger than five and then the high density is anything smaller than an acre question for staff if so you're saying if we were to make a motion to sorry if we were Yeah medium because low intensity yeah okay that that's what I was wondering commissioner hope do you want to try out well I may misunderstood I believe Trish said we couldn't so I need some understand um you can make a whole another motion technically because the first one was split and so if you make a new one and it changes uh however you so so I allow at this point in time in the process stipulation um no that's at the reone

[Music] stages some I guess person but I don't know what make yeah so just keep in mind that when the first came through uh the majority of you voted R all residential with a minimum of three acres was fine and that passed 4 to two so when you guys first brought this through with the rezone that's what passed through um the council said well it just doesn't conform so send it back through see if they'll change it then we'll move forward with the rezone again commissioner I'll I'll help you with that so the general plan calls out potential land uses and our code States if you're going to rezone a property you rezone it to what conforms with the

general plan or you change the general plan prior to the rezone the general plan calls for agricultural uses just because it's zoned rural residential that's not what the general plan calls for so the council said our general plan says if we're going to rezone this area we're going to rezone it to agricultural uses if we're looking to rezone it to something other than what it is today that's not agricultural then we want to see the general plan changed to what that rezone would be so that the reone conforms to the general plan no which I still think is an excuse to Avid decision that's has to be made so other than the other than the original motion that I move it to uh um I'll just I'd like to make a motion that we you like would you make recommendation on that

so I'm taking this so help me a 3re Minimum medium medium I what what's low medium high that's up to you guys really so when they come in with the rezone you could decide if we were to call this intensity residential when they come in you look at the surrounding areas and say 5 acre is low or 3 Acre or you guys need to decide if you want low intensity or medium intensity residential if you're so inclined to change it to residential but point of clarification according to the plan low intensity is 5 Acres or more yeah I was just given like an example of the zones that we have so the biggest residential Zone residential we have mu 40s we have a properties that are bigger but the residential ones are 10 acres and then we have our our 10 five and one which are rural residential which are could be considered low or medium the high in the higher density ones are anything smaller than an acre so those would trigger like the R1 12s are 17s which are like 7,000 square foot Lots the RM zones which is a real uh multip like a what am I trying to say the multiple residential areas stuff like that so those would be definitely your high-intensity ones um but yeah we don't have anything in a residential Zone that's bigger than 10 acres those would trigger into different

type uses I mean they can obviously be bigger right but those are our minimum requirements for those areas so where is that other development Canyon to where this property is what it's not that away you talking which one are you talking about smelter yeah everything up and through right across the street um some of those lots are are quarter acre sizes in an R5 they've been there forever so what um I don't think uh I can't speak for anyone else I can only speak for myself um it's not the the development factor that that we are adverse to with this development we uh many of us uh stated in the last meeting you know you were either in favor of three acres or five acres it's not development we're adverse to U I'm going to mirror what

commissioner Scott said in her reasoning for her no vote um I share this the same reasoning it sets a um dangerous is a loose word but I'm going to use it it sets a dangerous precedence if we um start changing our master plan our general plan um from we start converting our agricultural ground to residential ground I think it sets a dangerous precedence this isn't an island in the middle of a city this isn't the island in the middle of a subdivision this is on the outskirts of um what of our town and so um and with respect to uh commissioner Scott and commissioner hope you guys spent a lot of time on this General plan and I know it is just a guide but you guys spent a extensive amount of time on it and decided that this area was Agriculture and so I'm wondering what the change is now I don't understand that um go ahead so here are my thoughts on that is when we when we work on a general plan we really don't go partiel by parcel it's just kind of more of a throwing not darts but just circling an area you're like oh yeah this area looks good for you know like this is where all the development is so this area is going to stay higher density right I say higher density because there's really no high density in the county so like we say okay this is where the higher density is and then we say okay well we don't want to go from high density to nothing so let's you know roll it out generally and if you look at the plan we generally try to do that you know and look at where you know this is where we think Green Space is going to be and and it's not like we're getting out the partial maps and looking at like well this is Farmer Brown's property he's going to want to change this in 10 years you know we're

not looking parcel by parcel we're not saying oh we know Joe Smith he's going to sell his property let's put that in higher development um it's just kind of a general this is kind of you know like here's what we have and here's what we would like to see in the future and as developments come as properties come up for sale and different people buy them or people who own them decide they want to do something with it then we relook at the general plan and say kind of like you were mentioning you know if somebody came and said hey look I own this property out in the middle of of you know we not by any development and I want to build uh you know build a subdivision here we might question that and we have in the past you know some places were like you know this is kind of spot zoning where we we away from like zoning all a sudden someone's like oh here we want to put higher density um and and I agree where this is next to the higher development the next process out is a a lower development so when the properties East of this one come up we you know then we can say look the property next year is three acres let's you know you're going to go five acres because you're further out that's that's how I view it that's where my my vot's coming from and why I you know for me General plans they're General plans that are guidelines and help us make these decisions but they're not that we have to stick to what's in the general plan thanks thank you commissioner that was well um commissioner hope you have you made a motion will you please restate ining

if all right so I think I I make a motion that we uh I don't we how don't we approve we send for recommendation on this parel land from agricultural to rural medievel we have the motion to make a favorable recomendation to the County Council I have a motion do I have a second I'll second that we have a motion from commissioner hope and a second from commissioner St we will give the V commissioner 5000 you vote Yes commissioner beom how do you vote I vote no I I prefer to leave it agricultural commissioner Dow how do you vote I vote no for the same reasons I previously stated on the previous motion commissioner how do you vote I vote Yes uh commissioner Scott I vote Yes vote hope how do you vote Yes okay so I have four four to four in favor for medium intensity two four and two to know okay so we have

a to County Council to am the general plan from aure medium in this time I