City Council - Regular Meeting

Are all of them bad? Did somebody mess with our name tags and move you around?

We're good?

Okay. All right, well, welcome. Appreciate everybody being here tonight. We don't have anybody officially on the docket to pray, so I'll go ahead and say a prayer for us. And then, Jonathan, I think you were asked to lead us in the pledge. So I'll pray. Father in heaven, we come before thee this evening. We're grateful for the opportunity that we have to live in this great community. We're grateful for the freedoms we enjoy, for the republic in which we are blessed to have inherited, and the opportunities that we have to engage in our community. We're thankful for all those that are willing to give their time and service, and for the good staff that strives to support the needs of the city and help us to be successful. Thankful for the citizens that engage and are willing to come have conversations to listen and to express their perspectives that help us to do a better job in the decisions that we make. We're so thankful again for all that we do have. We pray tonight that thou will bless us with thy spirit, that we can be guided and directed in making good, sound decisions. We love thee and we pray for these things and do so in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.

Please rise and join me in the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

All right, thank you. Anything on the agenda that we need to shuffle or do differently? Anything on the agenda that we need to shuffle or do differently? If not, I'll entertain a motion.

No, Mayor, I would, oops, let me turn my microphone on.

So sorry. I would move that we approve the agenda order for this action meeting on August 12th. And the RDA? And the RDA. Second.

I have a motion and a second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? And we will excuse Councilman Cox. He is, I guess, went to see his son.

White coat. White coat ceremony. So that's why he's not here tonight.

I had Councilman Phillips ask me under our administrative piece, even though we didn't have it listed, to maybe give a report on our well and supply line challenges that we had to ask for some water restrictions to go into effect this week. So just as a, I think it's in general, this is just good maybe for anybody who's listening from the community as far as a detailed explanation of what happened. We had a well that went down, a pump that went bad on a well out in our Quichapa well filled out west. We have backup pumps, as good stewards would, right, to be able to prepare for unexpected things. We put the backup pump in and it seized.

Mayor, I think it was actually our Enoch well.

Oh, it was the Enoch well. Sorry.

Yeah, it was the Enoch well.

Thank you. And so it seized. And so our backup pump then also didn't work. And if one thing like that happens, then the system still functions. It fills up at night, and we still have enough water, and we keep going. But then before that had been fixed, we had our main supply line coming from the Coochipaw Well side, sprung a leak. And so on Sunday morning that happened. And we, because of those two things happening at once, our storage tank levels reached a very low level. kind of critical point that if we didn't do something to restrict some outdoor water use, it was a very real reality that we'd not be able to turn on our faucets and have water to drink. So that's why we issued that request. And just want to express gratitude for everybody that followed that and came together as a community to keep that from turning into something that would be really hard for us to all live with. And the pipe got fixed. The pump is apparently tomorrow. It's supposed to be coming in right, Matt? I think your last update. So we'll have the new pump getting put in. And what are we up to? Our tanks are up to good levels. to where by tomorrow we should be back up to where we can function as normal again. So that's kind of the update on that. Any other questions?

No, I would just urge the citizens that as we're bringing this all back up online that they, you know, I know we all need to water lawns. I certainly need to water my lawn, but let's use some caution. We're moving into cooler temperatures. Mother Nature's helping us a little bit here, so let's don't, let's not burn it out all at once by everybody just immediately going after all the water.

I agree. I echo that, too. It's a good chance to kind of reevaluate time of year and is it all right to cut your lawns back to two, three days a week as we get into a little bit cooler and keep some conservation.

Especially with the moisture we've gotten to. Exactly. Yeah, Ryan. Ryan Marshall, Public Works Director. Just wanted to remind you. Restrictions are still in effect. We're going to put something out on that and release those tomorrow. But since we are going to be replacing that motor, it's going to be down. Those tanks are going to draw down. So keeping that in effect until tomorrow is what we're going to do to try to keep on top of it.

Which is what we originally communicated, tomorrow at 8. So we feel good that within that time period.

The rains that we're having today, tomorrow, nobody needs to turn their water on until Monday anyway.

Yeah, you can wait a few days.

It'll be fine. No kidding.

Great, any other comments, questions? No, thank you for that, Mayor.

No, not on that, Mayor, but if I may just take one quick personal privilege. I had the chance last night, I don't know if everybody else has, to drive our new 100 East. That is actually a very nice road. Did you get hit with a golf ball? I did not get hit with a golf ball. I made sure Waldo was at home before I went out. I was like, Councilman Gallon must not have been out there. But are we going to have any kind of a ribbon cutting or an actual, are we going to do anything?

I don't know if we have anything planned for that. It's not my cup of tea, I'll be honest. I'm just making sure we don't miss something. I don't think about those kinds of things. Unless somebody wants to, I guess we can always ask David to plan something.

And where are we at? What do we need to do to open up the last piece from 900 to Knoll Street?

The problem there is some utilities that need to be relocated. We've been working with utility companies trying to get that taken care of. As soon as they can get those moved, we'll be able to pave that approach to Knoll Street and then have it fully open.

Okay, perfect. Okay. Councilman Schmidt.

I need to be excused. Next week I will be out of town.

Okay. Thank you. All right. With that, then, let's move into our agenda, consent agenda.

Mayor, before we move on the approval, I have one question on a bill. Okay. And I'm sure it's very simple and it probably is so self-explanatory, but they're in our packet.

Oh, but don't we usually, or do we sign on, don't we usually sign today, too?

No, we're I thought that last week. I thought, wow. Under Stewart Brothers Electric, we're paying money for a taco repair kit. Can someone explain what that is?

A lot of tacos.

Nobody can explain.

Do you have an account number that would help us?

Oh, my gosh. 102107 and all that. Let me get my glasses on. 1042252.

1042. 252.

252.

It says equipment maintenance, but I thought, do we have a taco truck? And we're repairing?

I wish we had a taco truck. That'd be cool. I'd be missing Taco Tuesdays if we do.

I am sure it's nothing here, but it is not a huge expense. It's $255. That's all. I just wanted to know what it was.

I can't tell you off the top of my head. I'm sorry.

We'll do a little investigation and find that out. Mayor, with that explanation, I would move that we approve the consent agenda. Second. Second.

Motion and a second, all in favor?

Aye.

Any opposed? Okay, thank you. Item number six is to consider zone change from residential dwelling two unit to central commercial in the vicinity of 1133 South Main Street.

Nothing has changed on this one.

Do we have anybody from?

Did you happen to reach out to them? I didn't get any response back. So I leave that to you. This one to the Planning Commission was a bit of a no-brainer.

Well, it really is a no-brainer. It really is.

The principal piece of it. Fundamentally, yeah, principally, I'm like, you've got to come at least show up to state your cause and to get your business done, in my opinion. I think we will.

Councilman Schmidt.

I make a motion. I think we're okay. I make a motion that we approve the zone change from residential dwelling R22 to central commercial B and Tau. That's right where it is and it's all next to it.

Okay, we have a motion.

I would second that motion.

And the second, any further discussion, Waldo?

Did you have something else you wanted to say? I am fully aligned with Councilman Wilkie on this one. If they don't show up, I don't approve it. But I'll do it this time because I trust my friend here.

I mean, yeah, I'm going to vote for it, but it just frustrates me. That's all.

It's fair.

It's fair.

Okay, without further discussion, we have a motion and a second. All in favor?

Aye. Oh, sorry. Yeah, roll call.

Sorry, starting with Councilman.

Aye. Aye. Aye.

Aye. Thank you. Next one is to consider general plan change from rural estates to business and light manufacturing and from central commercial to high-density residential to heavy industrial in the vicinity of 800 North 9 Springs Road. Any discussion on this one?

Has there been any change?

I'm here to represent Carter, so...

He did call you scary, though. So there's no real change, but I did. I made a comment in last week's packet that we were waiting for some legals. We got the legals fixed. Really kind of just the issue was that it was way simpler. I thought that we thought it was going to be because it fits right within a quarter section. So each of the legals actually matches a quarter section. So the shortest legals you can possibly have. Other than they hadn't included the roadway in it and we asked them to add that in there. So we now have it going, general plan will actually go all the way through the roadway.

Oh, go ahead. I do have a question here. Sorry. Could you remind me, Mr. Platt, I just can't remember, is this land already annexed into the city?

No.

No, I know we're doing them separate. I get that, but...

So right now we are not annexed into the city, but I'm glad you asked because... We took a proposal to the county commission because when we do annex, it's going to create an island.

We'll call it a stem.

A stem. Perfect. A stem. Whatever we want to call it. But thinking about this long term, I fully believe I've had talks with the mayor. Paul's been involved and there's lots of dominoes that have to fall, but it's for the best interest in both the county and Cedar city, that this does get annexed into Cedar city, but that's going to come the next six months as we get this ball rolling.

Okay. Councilman Wilkie?

I know it's a little harder because we're down to four council members tonight, but I'm probably going to go ahead and recuse myself on this. My relatives own all the surrounding property to this piece, so just to keep myself out of it, I'm probably going to...

Okay. Have you had a council meeting yet?

We took it to county commission on Monday. They... They, what do you want to call it, postponed it for another two weeks. Tabled? Yeah, they tabled it for two weeks, which is fine. They wanted to get the council, Cedar City City Council's opinions, feelings on this as well before they made the motion. So there's going to be probably some discussion between the county and the city regarding the future annexation, because we really do want to get this right with everything that's going on out there. We don't want what happened before to happen again, if that makes sense.

Yeah, it makes perfect sense.

And just for lack of a better, the way I've kind of envisioned this, I talked with the mayor the other day, is the city does need to grow from the inside out. If the county is unwilling to help us on the annexation. It hurts everybody involved. We no longer can grow to the east. We can't grow to the west. And you know, it's just like life. When you can't grow, you don't progress. And so it hurts everybody.

Well, and I think in the case what you're asking, the very tenor of that property and what its future holds is much more in keeping with what you're asking than rural estates. Yes. So I don't have a problem with that.

That sounded a lot like a motion.

Well, I think this is the right direction to go. So Mayor, if I could, I would say that we should approve the general plan change from rural estates to business light manufacturing and from central commercial and high density residential to industrial heavy manufacturing in the vicinity of 800 North and Iron Springs Road.

Have a motion? I'll second. And a second. Also a roll call starting with the councilman.

Well, I'll still let you start and abstain. Abstain. Yes. Aye. Aye.

Okay. Thank you.

And can I just say, if anybody has any questions about what's going on, going on out there, please come to our office and see me. I do want to educate. Well, you told us not to talk about it. Well, now you can. Come down. We've had lots of discussions with the city. We want to get this right. Thank you.

Thank you. Okay, number eight, consider purchase of flock insurance in the amount of $25,000. Chief Adams.

Good evening, Mayor, Council, and staff. Darren Adams with the Police Department. If you'll indulge me, I think I have an answer to your question, Scott. A taco repair kit refers to one of three different things. A taco comfort solutions HVAC circulator pump seal rebuild kit, a Toyota Tacoma truck part or accessory, or a fun culinary emergency kit for tacos.

I don't think I'm ever asking a question like that. Well done.

So I know I've talked to most of you about this. Um, I don't know if you have any questions of me.

I mean, my feelings are still the same as last week. I appreciate you. You know, I appreciate us knowing what our options are. Um, And I don't know if I can just say it's my gut. I could say it's my thinking about it. Whatever I want to say, it just doesn't feel like it's the right option to me.

I agree with that.

Yeah, I'm standing in that. in that corner as well. I've actually reached out to several liability insurance companies and I'm trying to get a couple of, I guess, position papers from them on whether this would be feasible from a third party insurance. I think the ticket for the insurance at 25 grand is excessive, especially when we're giving it right back to them. So at this point, I'm leaning to be on that corner and I'm gonna continue to do research as we spoke about yesterday, so.

Councilman Phillips.

I just wanted to thank you, Chief, for reaching out and visiting with us on it and understanding perhaps where we're coming from and why we're coming from that because I think I tend to agree with my fellow council members. I'm not comfortable with us moving ahead with the flock company being the self insurer, so.

Mayor, with all that, if that's OK, I would move that we just deny the purchase of the flock insurance in the amount of $25,000.

I have a motion. Second. Second. All in favor? Aye.

Any opposed?

Thank you. Thank you.

Thanks, Chief. Chief, and thank you again for yesterday, joining us on that little, what do we call it, fireside chat flock. It was very well attended for what it was, and I think you did a masterful job in explaining everything. So thank you. Thank you.

Okay, consider agreement with UDOT for Fiddler's Canyon Trail extension. I'll actually start this one. I made a call to Senator Vickers. just to get his direction on how I might approach it. He sent me to the regional UDOT director and talked to him today. And he was not aware of a policy that required them. And so he was going to check and verify why that is something that they're asking for and if there's something more. About the gates? About the gates, yeah. Yeah, that was our main thing from last time that we were supposed to work on.

So with that, in your opinion, would the appropriate thing at this point just be to table it for, and then we can just.

Yeah, and I talked to engineering. They said if we table it, allow time to hear back from UDOT, then as long as we get it done in the next month or so.

Yeah, because that won't slow down the design or anything. We still have to. Complete all that work. Yep, that's fine.

So yeah, we still have stuff to we're working on with it But this agreement is an important thing to get behind us.

We don't want to go once we need to get it done in the next few weeks Okay, okay sounds bad.

That's that's what I would recommend if anyone's willing to make that motion I would be more than willing to make that so mayor I would move that we just table the agreement with you dot for the fiddlers Canyon Trail extension I

Do we hear back?

Do we want to, yeah.

Do you want to date, Randall, on this one? I think once we hear back, we can just put it back on. We'll put it back on when we have the information.

Okay, perfect.

Okay, we have a motion to table. Second. And a second. Councilman Gallant sounds like he's going to get that one. All in favor?

Aye. Any opposed?

Okay, thank you. And the last one is to continue discussion related to backup generators and Western Wells. Let's go through the information that you guys did this week first, and then we'll just have discussion from there.

Matt Baker, Water Department. We're keeping you up, Matt? I think we're giving him a few more gray hairs. Well, we've talked about this a lot. It's kind of getting old. But last week, we talked about the emergency redundancy option number two for the wells. And we didn't get much into talking about the west pump station and the 800 south pump station generators.

So on that one there, you guys are going to go to the decision, the worksheet. Let's see.

There we go.

Is this what you're looking for?

Yep. So with that emergency option number two, it was just going to be one generator that run one pump at only 3,200 gallons a minute. That would just take the two wells out there. I would like to see if we would go with the full 1.7 megawatt and 1.5 generator have it future-proofed and be proactive instead of being reactive like we have been in the past.

So that's which option?

That would be number 2C.

2C, the bottom one.

Correct.

The forward then.

So, Matt, if I may, I mean, you and I met and we talked about this briefly. I guess I'm still just a little bit confused about what we talked about. Are we looking at doing this separate from our big project? I thought these were all built into our big project.

They are built in, but that's why I was bringing this up because we didn't discuss this last week. You guys only want one generator for one pump, not one generator for four pumps.

Councilmember, the reason we're bringing it now is that engineers need to know what to design into the project.

Into the big project, okay.

Yeah, that's the point we're at.

Yeah, so right now it's 2.4 for that option, 4.1 for that, which is $1.7 million, but if we phase these in over the years, we would spend $5.48 million on generators to phase those in as we reach capacity of those pumps.

So, and again, like my other question, when we go back to this number that we've kind of been talking about, this around 20-ish million, was this part of that 20 million?

Yes.

Okay, so this is kind of something, this isn't something new that's being sprung on us. This is, we've already somewhat wrapped our brains around this, or tried to, as best we can.

Yeah, this is just more detail that we have. Okay, this is getting more of the specifics of that 20 million.

Okay, Councilman Schmidt first, and then Gallant.

Okay, now... Are we going to talk at all, too, about storage? Do you want to bring that up about this or later?

Yeah, I thought we'd let this conversation happen and then add that. Yes, I think we do want to talk about storage as part of it.

So I spent a fair amount of my life running around war zones. And there are generators that are very portable. They can be stored safely somewhere, and then when you need them, you take them and you plug it in. Have we thought about something like that?

We did think about that last year, and it was over a million dollars just for one wheel or one generator, and then you'd have to go out there and plug them in, make sure you put the right wires in the right socket, something not to be told. If you're not an electrician, you don't want to do it. A portable this size is... Semi-trailer.

Yeah, it's like a semi-trailer. I mean, I used to send them into Iraq all the time. Good question.

One thing I would like to... Hey, Phil, I'm sorry.

Councilman Phillips had his finger up first. I'm sorry.

No, it's all right. My question is, with the issue that we had with the pump we're having right now, of course the water line break, but the pump we had, would these backup generators solve that problem if the pump goes out? No, no, no. No.

This is only if the power issue. Only if Rocky Mountain.

That doesn't happen very often. We just lost power out at our wells at 4 o'clock this afternoon. They kicked back on, but last Sunday night, they had a lightning strike hit a power pole, and they had to replace the power pole, so our wells were out for that duration of their repair. Now, if we had a generator, they would kick on, and we'd still be pumping.

So maybe it happens more often than I realize.

You guys are just thinking about the power safety things, but there's a lot of things we don't tell you that, hey, we had a power outage because the lightning or somebody hit a pole.

And is it possible to... relate the potential power outage or the outage that happened with the water hammering that could have potentially caused the leak in the pipe that we also had to deal with? Yes. Because if it shuts down and then all of a sudden it re-energizes, it shoots all that water down there. We have a water hammer and then we blow a hole in a pipe.

That happens in between the time power shuts down and the generator kicks on too.

I mean, I don't know, are they instant? I mean, are these generators pretty quick?

Usually they are very quick. It is less than...

It'll still hammer. It'll still hammer, though? Still, yeah. Just trying to learn.

Off and back on.

Okay, and that was my question. Thank you, Mayor.

So, oh, go ahead. So right now, you and I talked a little bit today, and you were concerned about the generator being fairly small now, but then being sized greater later. How does that fit in here, and... If we do that, which generator are you talking about? Number one? Option two?

Yeah, the Westpup station 400 kilowatt one. Yeah. Come back down there. Just a little bit. Westpup.

I'm sorry, which one do you want?

800 kilowatts, right? 800 kilowatt? No, 400 kilowatt. 400, I'm sorry. Up here. The one motor for 400, the one 400 horsepower motor.

Okay, but what I would really be concerned about is I really don't want to go small now and then try to sell and upsize later, because one, it'll be hard to sell, and my understanding is it's not something that we could take out and put it someplace else. Correct. Is that right? So if it... If we change water, we've got to change this generator.

Why couldn't you put it on one of your wells?

Yeah, I actually have heard different than that you couldn't use it anywhere else.

Too small. You're specking out 400 kilowatt generators for Quichapa 7 and 8.

I called Tim with their cat, and he specced out 500 kilowatts for those. That 400 will just run that motor. There's no AC, nothing. He gave a little 20% redundancy in there, so we have a little extra power just in case.

That's the thing. I just don't want to buy a generator that once we change and upsize and do a little bit more, then all of a sudden it's obsolete and we can't use it anywhere else. Then we have to replace it with another one. I just don't want to do that. I'd rather go bigger to use instead of do that.

Mayor.

Yeah, yes, go ahead.

And this might be a very brief part of the discussion. Matt, we've talked a little bit about this, and so just kind of educate. I don't know if they've talked to you about this. There's been discussions from people that I think are pretty educated in this department. What are our options as far as used, trying to save some money? I mean, you kind of explained it to me. Will you explain it to them what we had talked about?

If you look for a used one, you have to have the right volts, the right amps, the right hertz. You've got to make sure it goes with a VFD start or a soft start. There's all these little things that go with it. I mean, what is it, and does you save a lot when you go used versus new? I'm sure you can save quite a bit buying used, but you've got to make sure it's the right spec to run that. Gotcha.

I guess my thing, I would just hope that we at least still at least look, if we can get lucky and find one that works, you know, with low hours. I mean, these are not used every day. These are emergency things, so that's all.

I like to save money. That's maybe a decent segue into a thought on the storage side and where we allocate resources, right? So thinking about this idea of backup power, it addresses one of the problems that can happen to our system, which is power coming down. But it doesn't, like to your point earlier, your question, Councilman Phillips, is if a pump goes bad, if we spring a leak, if we have other things that happen to our system, the backup power doesn't address those. But if instead we had greater storage capacity, that instead of having storage for 24 hours, if we're lucky, right Matt, maybe 48, we spend, limited resources that we have on increasing storage capacity that can get us to where we're three, four days, five days maybe, or you can get to where you can have power go out, you can have a pump go bad, you can have a leak somewhere, and it covers all of those risks rather than just two to five million dollars on covering one risk. I think that's a valid thought to kind of bring into the discussion that I just wanted to bring out of how does that play into it.

I think we haven't talked about storage for as long as I've been here, which is not long. But I think the storage is a great thing. When we were on tour down in St. George, they've got over 35 million gallons of storage, was my understanding, and considerable backup things. But I think that we're already talking about one or two tanks on this proposal. We're already talking about one or two tanks on this proposal. I think it would be good. We'd have to get with Matt, kind of see where most critical to be. But I think adding storage in critical places would be a great thing. Then we might only have to add backup generators for the booster pumps. But I think it's worth looking into on the storage tanks. I think that's a great idea.

Because, you know, I mean, you can build a pretty good-sized tank for $4 or $5 million. I mean, that's a whole tank. That's a 2 to 4 million-gallon tank.

We're not going 2. We're going up.

Okay. That's a 4 million. This guy. Phil wants 10. We're going up. Right? I mean, what's your thoughts on that, Matt? I mean.

We do have a storage tank coming in this big project here on 800 South.

Yep.

We probably need another one at Cross Hollow, but then we don't have the source to fill it. Well, if we get the tank, we can get the water.

If we build all the wells, we don't have a tank. Yeah, I mean, it's kind of together.

Everything's got, there's bits and pieces of everything that we need to take a chomp at a little bit, not just one area or this area. We need a little bit of everything.

Back to Waldo's point actually, we're sitting here talking about all these things that we need to cover to the tune of $3 million, but what if we bought a mobile generator? We're not going to lose power hopefully at everything all at once. That's an even rarer situation. So I don't like the idea of a million dollar generator, but it's like.

Or even yours on the, you recognize what it is that we need at each of our places. We budget some money, you know, each year to start looking for used ones. And then as they come available, you acquire them and you get them installed.

Yeah.

You know, there's, I think, value to that idea too.

So you want to buy a million dollar mobile generator and all the generators that you guys gave me the option to put back at the other wells, 931,000. So you can have one, two, three, four, five, six generators, six different sites for $1 million. Oh, OK.

Okay, that makes sense.

Yeah.

Thank you. Well, I got some pricing from the cat right here. Yeah.

Okay.

So it's either six or one. Is that what you're telling? Yeah, you want six or one. And then one, you got to call somebody in with the class A license, hook it up. Oh, and that's fine. I mean, that's a valid point.

That's great information. And then I would add to that, that if you can get those specs and kind of look at this as something we want to add to the system over time, but take our our big chunk resources and get them into storage right now. And then you could turn that six into 12 by identifying the specs you need and finding used ones and just being laser focused on watching that market.

I'm just wondering, as we look at this big project, that this is one piece of it. If we wouldn't be better off in the long run, I mean, I'd much rather go into this and try and get it complete. And so if our bond has to go up to $23 million as opposed to $20 million, I'd rather get it done and get it completely right for our city for a long period of time. But I don't know what those numbers are hold. But I just hate the fact that we're piecemealing and piecemealing and piecemealing everything.

Sorry, Councilman Schmidt had a comment first.

What do we need? Paul, maybe you can clarify here a little bit. With the engineering firm, what do they need from us to come out of this meeting?

They want to know what you want spec'd out. They want to know what size of equipment you want to have in the design for the project. That's it.

So Matt, you know that already, don't you?

No, because last week he told them we want option 2A. And then he left and he came back and he said, well, wait a minute, option 2A doesn't give me big enough generators. So now he's back asking for more money for generators.

For 2C. And we can build the... Option 2 and I'm asking for 2C.

Yeah, we can go to 2C. You can do that. You're going to bond for more money. It's just going to, you're going to make one decision today, and then when Jonathan Ward with Zions Public Finance comes down and shows you, here's how much your bonding costs are, okay, that's what they are. Either you're going to say, okay, that's what they are, or you're going to say, that's a lot of bonding costs.

So on this particular question, if what the engineers need is to understand how to just design it, we can choose to have them design so that the generators can be put in, but we don't have to commit to putting them in, right? Until we get to that point where we're saying, here's the full package and this is what we're bonding for. So even if it's designed to where the hookups are appropriate, The rough-in, you can think of it that way, right? If I'm doing an unfinished basement, I'm still getting my plumbing roughed in. So we're roughing in the basics of what we need electrical, but not necessarily committing to put the pumps in.

This is not the pumps. This is just the generator.

Sorry, that's what I meant. That's what he meant. That's what I meant. I apologize.

We're going to have the same discussion, whether it's generators at a... at a water facility, or it's how to build a fire station, or it's buying a property for a police station. We're going to have the same discussion. We can spec out anything you guys want to buy. It's just a matter of how we pay for it.

Mayor, or actually I have a question for Matt. So Matt, getting us to the 10,000 gallons per minute, Walk me through, where would we be at now? Let's say we had that tank out there today, but we didn't have the water coming in from the Conservancy District. What would be the volume? Which one of these packages would you need today?

Right now, we are using about 2,800 gallons of water during the winter time.

OK.

This gets us 32. And I guess within three to five years, we'll be starting a third well. We'll be past that really quick.

Okay, so the $3,200, so the first option, the cheapest option in the wintertime would get us by.

So, yeah, so it would get us to the winter, but if we had a power outage, and this pump is integral to this part of the project. Correct. Because if it don't have the power here, it's not going to get it any farther than the wells.

Yeah. That's number one. That's that one. That's two is what you mean. Yeah, I don't think any of us, you know, I was thinking more 2A.

So taking all the way to the 2C, I mean, that takes us how far into the future?

That would be, I don't know how far that 10,000 came from.

I mean, that 10,000 gallons per minute takes us how far into the future? I can't speak for my fellow council members. I would love to have the money to plan to put something in now that'll last, take us 100 years. But we just, that's not the boat we're in, I don't think.

Jonathan Stathis, so the 10,000 gallons per minute, that gets us, that's probably 10 to 15 years. That's when we have water coming in from Basin 71 and Pine Valley.

Okay, so that gets... That covers up to Pine Valley?

That would be Pine Valley.

That's a lot more than 10 to 15 years then. Yeah. It better be.

Jonathan, the question, I guess the question is, if we have that whole well field running right now, what's the GPM that we would need to push?

So that would be option 2B, the 6,800 gallons per minute.

Thank you, Paul. So when things are all running, all seven of the wells out there are pushing to that new west pump station to move that water. If the power were to go out at that pump station, you would need the four generators. Or you would need number 2B. 2B.

Yeah, so four wells pushing.

But essentially, everything from, not everything, but Pine Valley and Basin 71 are also going to be going through the west pump station. Yes. So once those get added.

Yeah, but you don't know what kind of infrastructure the Conservancy District is going to build out there to move Pine Valley water. That's true. And I don't know if we can, I mean, we have no clue at this point. Their designs right now are not final. Yeah. So they did purchase 20, is it 20 acres? Yes.

Yeah, about 20 acres.

They did purchase a 20-acre parcel at the Y, and their stated purpose for that 20-acre parcel was storage and booster stations. So it's not irrational to conceive that part of that project would consider backup power, but I don't know that. And none of us know that at this point.

So if we put on the 2B, and that would be the 1.5 megawatt generator size, most likely that would last for at least five, six, seven, eight years. That generator then, if we had to end up going bigger, would be big enough to move to a different location by far. By far. So it could be, I'd be okay with something like that.

So I'm not sure I got my question answered or my thought. So if we tell them that's what we want them to plan for.

I'm not an electrician, so I'm not going to answer that. If you plan for a little one works, I don't know.

What you're telling the engineers right now, that's what we want you to design for.

Yes.

Anything that the engineers design, on any of our projects, and maybe any is kind of a big word here, but most things engineers design on most of our projects, we can change our mind when it comes to actually building it. We can say scale it down, or we can even say scale it up. We're just giving the engineers directions today to say that's our design parameters.

Okay. Jonathan, were you gonna say something else? You stood up like you wanted to.

So one thing we could look at, and Mayor, I think you alluded to this, they could design the electrical to be designed to handle the full load, even if we don't put the largest size generator on there right now. But then it could be upsized in the future as far as the generator that's provided. And the electrical in the building would not need to be redone. Exactly.

That was where my brain was going. Can you get it roughed in the way that gives you the opportunity to add it if you want to, but not be committed that we're going to put them in?

So, and not to try and make this more complicated, Matt, but these are not the only wells and pump stations and stuff that we have to worry about, right? We still have generators in Enoch. We don't have... That's where I thought this original conversation last week was going, was to the whole thing. And now I feel like we're hyper-focused on just the Quitchipaw project. And maybe that's because that's what the engineers need. But I guess I would like to see all of them, too. Because if now you come and say, oh, but also in addition to this, don't forget I also need four more for the other stuff, too, then that potentially changes my decision on what we do on these areas so that we can also do other areas at the same time. Does that make sense?

Yeah.

Because aside from this, you also still need at least one in Enoch, and you need one at the golf course.

That's kind of my point of saying I don't think we should look at this as we're deciding we're going to put these generators in. It's more of just what are you wanting them to rough in. I'm not finishing the basement. I'm just telling them I want a toilet here in the future.

But yeah, because those wells are not part of this big project. These are. And then in part of this big project, I think like we talked earlier, we can also look at possibly bigger storage areas and then decide where and what other pumps we need outside of this project or if you wanted to incorporate them in. But for this project and how to answer this question for the engineers. If they were to design it for a 1.75 megawatt generator, but later on we realize we don't need one that big, and if we can still put one in a little bit smaller that works, then should we ever need to change, we can, because it's already designed for it. Right? I mean... And then we could also change the size of the storage tanks on this project if it is inducing to help on the flow for the water.

I just wanted to also remind council of our discussion last week that Mr. Bittman shared with us because we've got to look at how we pay for all this, the debt service on this, and the fact that the water user rates are going to have to be looked at and how we adjust that in relationship to the cost, the expense that we're looking at.

And that's kind of my point on, I just want us as we make this decision to be thinking of it as not that we're going to go drop $3 million, $5 million on the generators. If there's a way for us to just say the incremental cost of $1,000, $5,000 in electrical wiring allows us to make that choice later. But my preference would be for us not to emotionally or mentally say we're committing to putting them in. And when the decision comes to what we actually do and bond for, I'd rather put the money towards storage and capacity in our system.

So we build this so that we can if we need to.

If we need to. Because it's a very cheap cost to just get the electrical piece in. If I understood that correctly, that we can do that.

So Matt, that's probably a little bit of a deviation from what you were expecting to get out of here. So how do you feel about that?

I would think 2B, I'd be fine with 2B. And also, I got the price from Wheeler. You can get two 500 kilowatt generators for the price of their one they're quoting. Wow.

But to the Mayor's point.

Again, these are engineer's estimates. Correct. Every project we do, we get engineer's estimates and we create a budget for the project based on engineer's estimates. Then when we go actually out to market and we hire a contractor or secure supplies, We actually hope that the engineer's estimates were on the high side so that we actually have enough money to build the project.

And most of the time they are, which luckily. So can we design 2C? I mean, move forward at designing it 2C doesn't mean we're going to put in a 1.75, but. Design a 2B. 2B. 2B. Oh. I thought we were saying.

If we're going to design.

If we're going to have Pine Valley in. If we're going to end up with Pine Valley and Basin 71, one day we're going to be pushing 10,000 gallons a minute.

So it's like design 2C and ask for 2B.

Design 2C as long as we can put in a smaller generator if we have to. Design it so it's designed.

And that's doable, right, Jonathan? Like if the wiring is wired bigger, but you can still hook up a smaller one to it.

Yeah, that's my understanding. Basically, there has to be what's called an automatic transfer switch that's installed inside the building. And what they're saying is that you can either design that automatic transfer switch to handle the full load, which would be 2C, or you could design it for something less than that. But if you design it for the full load, that gives you options to be able to

Yeah, I mean, I'm no electrician, but in the knowledge that I do have, you can always put less power through a wire. You just can't put more power through a wire.

I'm okay with that, what you say, Carter.

I mean, yeah, I think we plan. If there's a way to design it under 2C, knowing very well that we're probably not going to buy that generator now or maybe ever, but it's okay to put a smaller generator on that plan, then I don't see why we wouldn't.

And I guess the only pause I'll just throw out there is even if we get to 10,000 gallons per minute, we still, in my mind, can look at this as an emergency situation, not a having to have full capacity. And so even if it saves us a little bit by designing for 2B, and it still will give us plenty for an emergency situation.

I doubt if the design changes. From the last bills last time, I doubt if their change order costs is gonna deviate much between these two. I don't see much change order engineering cost. I don't see much.

Essentially you're protecting for the same thing if you max the future capacity connectivity up front. Right?

Yeah. Well, I just don't, it's hard to say that 100% and if I'm just thinking of it purely as the infrastructure cost of the wiring, not the actual generators. Right. I don't know the difference between that transfer switch if it's planned for option 2B or 2C and if that's a few thousand dollars or is that $50,000, right? Because that's the only piece that is really going to affect the cost if we don't put in the generators.

So here's just another estimate for the big transfer switch for the West Palm Station is $110,000.

What's the next one down, so if you were at the 2B?

I just went with the high models.

Okay.

So, well, I guess you can say a 1.5 was $69,000. So about half.

But that's, we don't have to put those in, though.

No, the transfer switch is your, you are as part of the, because you have to have those put in as part of the build out. Right? The transfer switch goes in.

Yeah, but again, at that point, I mean, it sounds like it's about a $50,000 difference. We'd be, if we chose to, we'd be spending $50,000 to have the option to. later it'd be buying an insurance policy to.

It would cost a lot more than that later if we decided.

If you ever wanted to go to full capacity in that rare situation. It'd be a couple hundred. That's the only question I'm just wanting us to think about.

No, you're right. You have to think about it.

If 50 grand is still 50 grand of taxpayer dollars and if you can meet the emergency need.

This whole, yeah, sorry, Mayor. This whole situation is an emergency situation. This is when we have those things when Somebody hits a light pole. Power goes out. Lighting hits something. And that does happen.

I'm just trying to be proactive. And in the future, my guys brought this up. I'm dealing with it now. They don't want to deal with the same issue. 20, 30 years down the road, they're going to be up here, not to you guys, but complaining about the same thing.

Better not be it to any of us.

Yeah, better not be.

So I don't know.

Maybe two people.

I don't know.

Is the West Pump Station, is that a booster pump? Yes.

Yes. The west pump station takes the water from the wells, boosts us from there to the 800 south tank, and then the west, 800 south.

This isn't necessarily an option. This is something we're going to have to use.

No, because these are just, this is just the size of the generator if the power goes out. If the power goes out.

Yeah. How do we boost the, how do we boost?

You're not talking about the pumps. All you're talking about is the generators. Yeah.

Yeah. All we're talking about is the generators.

The pumps are already specked in and baked in. And they're in alignment. And if we have to drop in another pump, we drop in another pump.

Yeah.

So again, you guys decide on this one. I just am bringing up points to think about. And emotionally, the biggest one is I just don't want us to feel like we're committing to have to put in the generators. We would rather use it for storage. I'm open to allowing it if council's okay with it.

I'm fine with it, Mayor. And Mayor, would anyone oppose?

I'd like to add a comment if I could as well. I think as the electrical engineers with our consultant team are doing the design of these stations, In addition to the transfer switch needing to be larger to accommodate the larger generators, the conductor, the wire itself is gonna have to be larger. When we're talking about this, you know, this many megawatts, or going through a wire, that wire size increase could be substantial and there's certainly gonna be some costs associated with that. I just wanna make sure that we're, when we tell them, if we tell them we wanna design for 2C, it's not just a transfer switch, they need big wire.

So it could end up being 100,000 plus.

Does your number include the wiring? No, right? Just the equipment. Just the equipment.

If there's not objection, I will welcome some comment from Mr. Jett or anybody else who wants to weigh in on this one.

Good evening, Tom Jett. Think Scott will be here in 30 years. Oh, you optimist. The... First, the idea of storage is probably, to me, your best thought. We don't need power for storage, and we still have the water. If we had three, four, five days, fantastic. I realize tanks are expensive, but that's a natural flow versus a mechanical flow, i.e. having power.

Okay.

I spoke a couple months ago, and I'm glad this was brought up this evening to talk about used ones. I know that our staff is busy. I know that our water department is especially busy. But maybe we should consider, I guess, finding an intern from the university that can research and find us the used systems. the generation systems if we give them the specs. Many of these young people are quite tech savvy. and know how to bird dog and research and so forth. And I think that would probably be an excellent methodology since a lot of these generators literally have 2,000, 5,000 hours on them and they'll get 50,000 no problem. And they sell them because they're 10 years old, 20 years old, not because they're broken. They just run through their depreciation schedule or typical government, we're gonna get rid of it because we want something new and shiny. especially at the federal level, we see that.

Use it or lose it.

Yeah. And so I think that's a method how you can find the used ones. And as our mayor said, You know, find one, find three, just as we go along. But I guarantee you, I went home that evening and I did not know the exact specs on what was required. But it's not brain surgery if you know, if you know and you want to spend the time researching and looking. So just a thought for you. Thank you. Thank you, Tom. Thank you, Tom.

Anybody else passionate about chiming in since we opened it? Okay, if not, decision time.

You're up Waldo, your turn.

I don't know why it's my turn.

Because we said it is.

Directionally, I feel fairly confident that if we design for 2C, we're gonna be covering all our bases. We're talking about a tremendous amount of money. I don't know that $50,000 is going to move the needle in terms of the difference between the transfer switches and so forth, but it protects us to sign base on a design basis to increase to where we absolutely need to be eventually. So that's where my head is at at this point.

Is that a motion? Make that motion.

Okay, I make a motion that we consider the emergency redundancy option 2C for future redundancy on the pump systems.

For the design. As far as design only.

I'll second that.

Okay.

I have a motion and a second. All in favor?

Aye. Aye.

Any opposed? Nay.

Okay.

But I want to explain why. Go for it. I'm in favor of 2B because I think in an emergency situation, it would still suffice, I think, for what we need. But I'm supportive of them. I'm not going to. But 2B doesn't give us the capacity, right?

And I fully acknowledge we made a decision, but could I ask one question? What would it cost us extra? Could you find out what it would cost us extra in engineering? When we finally do start talking numbers and what we're going to do, how much would it cost them to give us an option to say, how much would it cost us extra in engineering to say, here's your 2B versus your 2C? So that when we go to buy, we can say, okay, now we know. 2B to actually build will cost this much. 2C to build will cost this much.

That might cost you some money.

My cost is, based on the change order that we saw last time, it'll cost us more than the transfer switch would cost.

I think just to get a cost estimate, they would provide that. I can always ask. Hey, there you go. Okay, that's all. Thanks. And also with this, there's not going to be a change order cost with this.

With the engineering estimate, yeah.

What was the $78,000 then last week for?

So that would have been if we designed for a generator at all four wells, but now we're only doing two wells.

They're okay.

They're okay. All right.

Okay.

Scott, I want to say I'm disappointed that you did not seize on the moment and say to be or not to be. Oh, yeah.

It should have been your motion.

Aye, there's the run. Way to go, Tom. Mayor, with that, I would, oh. No, that's it.

No, we have public comments. Oh, sorry, that's right. Okay. Anybody here that would like to share something with us? Now's your chance.

I was not going to share anything because I've talked to you, some of you, about the Flock cameras. I'm not speaking... Oh, Ann Clark. Ann Clark. I'm not sure I feel either way, but I'm going to tell you this. For those of you that I talked to, I was going down Ridge Road, and there was a younger man, I think a college student, kind of covered, holding a sign, a big giant sign that said F Flock. Now, he's pointing the Flock camera, but... I pulled over and I talked to him about it because I said you're not gonna get anywhere talking like that and people don't even consider that you have something to say. And I said you probably do have something to say. But who's gonna consider it? My point is this. When you vote no on the insurance on the flock cameras, I looked at it and I thought that's the cheapest thing I've ever seen. It's not high. And I asked the kid, I said, did you break that? Because clearly the wire was hanging down. It wouldn't have taken much height at all to get a tall thing and just cut that wire. He goes, no, I don't cut anything. So I just think we have to be careful because the cameras are not something that you would go, Hey, that's really sturdy. It's something that can be, I think, easily taken down over and over again. The one on Ridge Road, the wire is hanging still. So I don't know when it comes to, you know, you don't want to be a penny wise and a dollar foolish because who's going to fix them? Because now if we paid money for the flock cameras and in fact none of them are working, then what have we got? So just so you know, that did happen. I think it's going to happen everywhere. From what I understand, it's getting to be a really hot topic. So I think sometimes we're a little naive to think, oh, it's going to go away. People reacted, and now they won't next time, when I think maybe it could really heat up even to a worse way. So anyway, just so you think about that, because now I think we've got a bunch of cameras we paid for that don't work.

Thanks, Sam. I was going to ask the question, Chief, when the cameras were installed, what was it, a year and a half ago, the height and the location and how everything was structured in the different points, was that driven by any factors other than it's convenient to have it a... I don't know.

Aaron Adams with the Police Department. Yeah, thank you. So it's the standard height that they put on all of their poles, with the exception of anything that's within the UDOT right-of-way. If it's within a city street, it's a pretty standard height. And sometimes it's a matter of how deep they can get the base. They should start filling the poles with concrete.

Actually, we need to put out a reward. Hit one with concrete. Offer a reward. So we're paying $25,000 for it.

Yeah, and you make some good points, but there's some other stuff behind the insurance that is the wrong way.

No, and it's good. And, again, the idea of public comment doesn't need to go into a discussion. So thank you, Ann. Like I said, I'm not one way or the other. I'm just telling you what I saw. You're great, Ann. Thank you. Anybody else have something they want to share with us tonight? Yeah, come on up. State your name.

I'm Hannah Anderson. I actually, I'm a little late to the game, but I also know that there's been some raising concern about the flock cameras. I was just wondering kind of what the discussion was within city council for the decision to put flock cameras up and maybe if you guys could like educate me a little bit more on the topic.

Can I do this, Hannah, just from everybody's time? my phone number is right there on the back if you'll text me We'll set up a meeting, and we'll go through in detail all of the different perspectives that were shared and thought about and get you every information that you could possibly want. Does that sound good?

Yeah, for sure. Thank you.

And that being said, Hannah, if you want to call, I can't speak for them, but if you want to hear from me, our numbers are not on here tonight. We're all down there. Those are administration and airport.

No, on the... Oh, because this is... She saved paper. Yeah, she printed our agendas back to back.

Oh, okay, gotcha. It's on yours, I think, on the bottom, right? Again, I can't speak for them, but I'm willing to talk to you and tell you why I did what I did.

Awesome, thank you.

Thank you for coming. Anybody else? Okay, seeing none.

Mayor, I would move that we close this meeting and move into our RDA meeting. Second. Second.

Have a motion and a second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? OK. Tell us when you're ready, Amber. Yeah, you can go on YouTube. It's a good clarification. So the videos are also, all the council meetings are recorded and are on YouTube. So you can actually search the dates and be able to watch them as well. Yeah, you okay to add that, Amber, as far as the minutes to just let them know they can also watch the YouTube videos for the council when council did discuss it?

Could you just put a hyperlink? Yeah, they were. Or that, yeah. Did you know that, Hannah, that you can watch the meetings where we talked about it on YouTube? Yeah, so we have our own YouTube channel, just Cedar City Corporation. I don't know. What's it called, Randall? I just Googled Cedar City.

If you go to our website, cedarcityut.gov, there's a link on there that'll take you to the YouTube channel, and then you just pull up city council meetings.

And you go by the date, and every single one of our discussions will be on there, both from a year and a half ago when we first put them on and from this time when we renewed the contract.

to discuss so that you can reference that.

Perfect, thank you.

All right, Councilman and Mayor, we will call this redevelopment agency meeting together. We have one item on the agenda tonight for August the 12th, and that is to approve the bid for Silver Stage Construction in the amount of $281,700 for the South Main Street lighting improvement phase three. And I did bring up last week some caution that we need to make sure that we have clarity from UDOT on the interchange project, and I think our city engineer has some updated information for us.

Yeah, so when we brought this issue to you last week, we had just barely gotten the plan set, all 787 sheets for that interchange project. And we, subsequent to our meeting, we spent quite a bit of time, myself, Shane Johnson, and Jonathan as well, we spent a fair amount of time going over those plans And then I brought up the issue of our street lighting project at the review meeting that UDOT held on Monday of this week, so two days ago. What we have concluded is that there are several of the luminaires that we were planning on putting up with this project that are in conflict with UDOT's plans. Some of those are will wind up being on top of a retaining wall that UDOT needs to build. It's gonna be difficult for us to try to add those. We certainly wouldn't be able to construct them now. We wouldn't be able to construct them until after UDOT has the retaining wall built. And it's difficult to go in and put those foundations in once the wall's already there if the wall hasn't been designed to handle it from the start. So we've had quite a bit of discussion about that. I contacted Devin Squire, the UDOT PM. We spoke for a while today about this project and about the lighting. And it really makes the most sense for us to go, to get, have the discussions with UDOT's design team and Devon regarding what really needs to be done to be able to get these lights in and look at having those designed into their plans and constructed with their project. We would need to pay UDOT for that as a local betterment to that project. But that is what makes the most sense to us at this time given the situation with the conflict between our design that was done before there were any UDOT plans. It was designed back in 2023. So between our design and what is going to be built by UDOT, there are just too many conflicts. We think it makes the most sense to not award this construction contract, and instead we work with UDOT on getting that included with their design.

Councilman Schmitt was actually first.

Councilman Schmitt, sorry.

Well, go ahead. I was just going to say, with that, I mean, would it then, once we get on the same page, We're gonna have to pay for the ones that are part of their project. I guess at that point, would it make sense to have two different contractors, ours do ours and them do theirs, or will some work with UDOT to just have one contractor do it for both of us?

Before you answer that question, because I wanna get to that, but since we designed our project before they designed theirs, Obviously, they never consulted us on what we had in mind there. Why do we have to pay for them to change the stuff that doesn't coincide with our project?

We would be paying to have the work done under their contract. So instead of paying, I mean, if their project wasn't happening, our design would be fine. We would pay the contractor. It would go ahead and award this, would pay the contractor to go out and install those. If we have that done under UDOT's project, someone still needs to be paid. We would be paying UDOT to have them pay their contractor to go ahead and install those. But it would be a net net? cost to us? I don't know yet what the cost would be through UDOT. I will say generally things end up costing more, but even if they had Even if we had been able to identify this conflict up front and we went to them with our plans and we said, hey, we need to work this out, it's not something any of us realized we were gonna have a conflict with. I apologize for that. Perhaps we should have foreseen that.

You do have other options. You're a good man. You can wait. You can go ahead and put them in now and UDOT will come along and rip them out when they do their project. You can wait until UDOT's all done with their project and four years from now we could do this project. Those are options if we wanna keep it in our house and in our control. We don't have to go through the betterment process with UDOT, but UDOT's option to do it along with all their other work on that part of Main Street is definitely an option to consider.

For us to add some of those later after UDOT's done, it's gonna be very difficult because of the retaining wall.

Yeah, that's a, So quick question, and that being said, at this point, I asked Councilman Schmidt if I could butt him in line again. Can we go back and get another bid on or maybe use the same company? How many lights can we still go ahead and put in now? Because we're ready to move. We don't want to necessarily wait four years on the few that don't include UDOT.

It's not just the lights. It's running the power as well.

So this puts the whole thing on hold for four years?

They're relocating parts of the road, and they're relocating power poles that are out there.

That's what it is.

Oh, it'll be done as part of the project. So, and they're starting on that next spring.

So, but this will, these will be the last, I mean, so two years. So this puts us getting those polls up for two years, both on our part and on their part. Okay.

Probably two years. I also think that it's with the Smith building going in, because that's the whole area we're doing is right there and then on the opposite side. So, And they're planning to do a median in the road all the way down to the new Smith. So I think there's a lot of impact that UDOT's going to have on this portion. And I think we're better off, in my opinion, to wait. But anyone else? Sir?

Is UDOT going to do the entire project? Because not all of this is under the part that they're fixing.

All of this that is in this phase of our Main Street lighting project falls within UDOT's project area.

That's why the four years, because UDOT won't let you cut the road for two years. We don't want to cut a brand new road and put wire in it.

Our lights are done up to the traffic signal there at Cedar Knolls. It is from there south we were going.

So I think based on what I've heard so far from Engineer Kent,

Do it.

I think we just keep it.

Well, does anybody else have any more comments? Okay. All right.

I make a motion that we postpone this bid or table it or take it off the table.

Probably just reject the bid.

Yeah. I propose that we reject this bid based on the information that UDOT is going to be going through all of this. I don't want a conflict with UDOT. So I make a motion that we reject this bid at this time.

Second. Could I add one thing to that, that we make sure that we notify all of the previous bidders that this is the direction we're taking.

I think, yeah, it's good.

And an apology letter.

So we do have a motion and a second. And because this is not an ordinance, we can just do a regular vote, right? Okay, all in favor of the motion? Aye. Anyone opposed? Motion carries.

Chairman, I would move that we close this redevelopment agency meeting.

I have a motion. I have a second from Councilman Smith. All in favor? Aye. Thank you.