About this meeting
- Government Body
- Town Board
- Meeting Type
- Town Board
- Location
- Rochester, NY
- Meeting Date
- May 29, 2026
Transcript
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Okay. And you are Mr. Wilson.
Swear. You ready? We swear me in. Just wait.
You should be okay. So it's nine o'clock. What day are we today? Friday, May 28th.
And we're beginning the second session of reviews. at nine o'clock, 9.01. And the first thing I will do is swear in our assessor, Jeremy Baraka. Jeremy, do you solemnly affirm or swear that the information you're about to give will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your ability to do so?
I do.
Thank you. For the record, it's May 29th.
Okay, May 29th. That's for the record.
That's good. That's good. That's good. All right. So very nicely, we have our first person here a little bit ahead of time. So we'll go ahead and get started. And you are here representing Christy Wilson. Is that correct?
Yes. Yes, I am. She's not feeling well. She couldn't make it. I do have her hand right now. If you guys have authorization. If you guys need that, she just wrote that tax, an old tax map, actually. I'm sorry. Property map.
I'm going to take that. Let me swear at you.
Yes, yes. You solemnly affirm that in the profession you're about to be able to give an accurate and accurate point to the best of your ability. Yes. You're welcome.
Okay. So you have two things that are before us. One of the things we have done is we have split out on different properties. So we sort of have the lead on that.
Yes. Great.
Um, so Elaine, I think you're on the first one. So let's so um but what we normally at the process we normally go through we ask you to make the presentation okay then the lead person may have some questions and at the end we'll ask jeremy if he has any comments to make about what you have already presented okay great so this is on the record we're talking about the 12.2 acre parcel okay on deer haven lake as opposed to the other
Of the other parcel. Okay, so I'm going to just ask this now, and I've presented my five-minute presentation based on both the parcels that we're talking about. If that's okay, can I speak on that? Absolutely. Or would I have different timelines?
We may have different questions, but you'll have plenty of time.
Okay. So good morning, members of the board and town assessor. My name is Michael S. Wilson representing Christy Ann Person Wilson. I'm here to present the form formal legal arguments supporting the form RP-524, grievances for tax map ID 68.2-2-40, that'd be the 12.2 acres. and tax map ID 68.2-2-15, the 5.8 acres on Deerhaven Lane. The tentative assessments violate the statutory mandates of uniformity under New York State real property tax law sections 305 and 502. They completely ignore the statutory building codes under New York State Town Law Section 280-A. These errors constitute an illegal over-assessment based on documented administrative omission. I am requesting total reduction of $204,000 to restore statutory equity. Our first argument rests on RPTL, real property tax law section 305, which mandates that all real property must be assessed at uniform percentage of value. On May 22nd, my wife and I met with the town assessor. He admitted on the record that his office has completely overlooked the valuations of three directly adjoining parcels on our exactly.
You weren't listening.
Sorry.
Okay, sorry.
No, we apologize to you.
Oh, no. All right. Sorry. Okay, so the admission the May 22 2026 Myself and my wife met with the town assessor and he admitted on the record that his office completely overlooked the valuations of three directly adjoining parcels on our exact road when setting my tentative figures. This omission created an unconstitutional non-uniform assessment. Adjoining baseline properties to our properties, HACS ID numbers 68.2-2-47, 68.2-2-39.210, and 68.2-2-39.220. They carry an average land assessment of exactly 1,931 per acre, yet the assessor has valued my identical dirt on the same road at 10,000 per acre for tax map ID 68.2-2-15 and 15,655 per acre for tax map ID 68.2-2-40, 12.2 acres. Applying radically diverse valuation baselines to contiguous geographic tracts cannot stand as a matter of law. Furthermore, traditional arm's-length market comparables do not exist on these parcels because unmaintained private roads have destroyed the open market. They do not trade on MLS, therefore the town's own internal assessment road is the only valid baseline available to measure uniformity today. Furthermore, during our recorded meeting on May 22nd, the town assessor explicitly admitted on the record that this specific assessment is, and I quote, definitely wrong.
And- Excuse me, can you be specific to which assessment? Was it one or the other or both? when he said this assessment is wrong.
He said this assessment is definitely wrong on tax ID number 68.2-2-39.210, Mr. Delgado, 8.3 acres at $20,000 And 800 20,800 for 8.3 acres. That is specifically what he said. This is definitely wrong.
And that was on Delgado's parcel. One of your parcels.
That is correct.
And what's the, I'm sorry. What's the connection then. Okay.
I'm getting to that. I am getting to that, but I can be more specific. And thank you. When, when saying that. Okay. Okay. And in quotes, definitely got missed there. While the assessor stated it is on his list to be corrected next year. New York law does not allow the town to knowingly over assess, excuse me, over assess a property owner for 12 months based on admitted administrative oversight. The Board of Assessment Review has explicit legal authority and duty to correct this acknowledged error today. Our second argument involves a severe impairment on the land itself. The assessor has valued the parcels underneath the assumption that they are prime, immediately developable residential building sites. This is a severe legal error. Deerhaven Lane is unmaintained private right-of-way, which I have the agreement here. If you guys would like to see this, my wife just would like to copy back.
Yeah, I'll take a look.
Thank you. Deerhaven Lane is unmaintained private right-of-way. Under New York State Town Law Section 280-A, Subdivision 1, The town is strictly prohibited from issuing a building permit here. Furthermore, the road suffers from severe physical limitations. It is unmaintained. During the winter months, you absolutely require a four-wheel drive vehicle just to access the property. For instance, this winter was a bad winter. There was many of my neighbors with two-wheel drive. that moved up from the city and they couldn't get to their own properties because of the snow and unmaintained road. This lack of reliable year-round access creates an absolute roadblock for institutional financing. Traditional banks refuse to issue mortgages on land lacking compliance with town law section 280-A. By ignoring this defect, the assessor is valuing these parcels as if they can be financed easily In reality, eliminating 95% of the market forces a steep cash investor discount, destroying open market values under real property tax law section 305. To be perfectly clear, I would welcome the town to take over the dedication and maintenance of our private road. However, upgrading Deerhaven Lane to municipal standards, this would cost the town millions of dollars. To summarize, in conclusion, the current assessments violate RPTL Real Property Tax Law 305 uniformity, stem from admitted administrative oversight under Real Property Tax Law 502, and ignore statutory building prohibition law under Town Law 280-A. In conclusion, to bring these parcels into immediate compliance, I would request the Board to equalize both tracts to a uniform baseline of 2,500 per acre. Tax Map ID 68.2-2-40 reduced from 191,000 to 30,500. Tax map ID 68.2-2-15 reduced from 58,000 to 14,500. The statutory rules are absolute and the math cannot be defended. I respectfully ask the board to grant these reductions to make the town's assessed role legally correct. Please be aware that we have built a clear legal record today. If the board cannot fix this clear error, we are fully prepared to take the next legal step and file an Article 7 lawsuit against the town and the New York State Supreme Court. We truly hope to resolve this mistake locally today without forcing the town to spend public tax dollars defending an unequal assessment in court. And I thank you again for your time.
Well, thank you for your presentation. Now, let's get down to the properties that you cited.
Yes, ma'am.
Delgado. I forget what the other parcels. I have their numbers. I don't know who particularly owns them. But do they have access? Are they on Deerhaven Road?
Yes, ma'am.
They are on your head. Yes. Can you show me on this map?
Yes, ma'am.
Where these parcels are, because they're marked as rear and yours is not. And rear means that they are landlocked.
Yeah. So if it would be easier for the board, I can pull up the tax map on the town parcel viewer. Right.
It may not be working.
Well, the tax map, you can get the tax map.
Oh, I off of it. But that the tax map looks well, this this is this is I can show you. Yeah, if you don't mind, I have the exact tax map.
No, but I can pull up the tax map off of that site. Oh, yeah.
Yeah, it's it's Ulster County.
Yes. You are not connected to the Internet.
I can I can pull up a...
I can you just show us if you show it on the easier because then we have that as something we can pass around to each other.
Yes, ma'am. That's why I brought it. Yeah. And okay. So you asked specifically.
Right. One of the reasons your assessment is so different is that they are all marked rear property. which means they're landlocked. Yes, ma'am. And you're not. You're marked as primary and residual, and in part because I guess at one point there was this building on your site.
That is our home.
Oh, okay. It's still there.
Yes, ma'am. Absolutely. So just so you're aware.
Is this a separate parcel then?
There's been some confusion in the past that they have corrected. Okay.
I'm going to answer my question, though.
I am going to answer that question. In being said, this, where our house has been since 1973, her father built this A-frame. Okay. They had this on 12.2 acres.
Right. They had it on parcel A.
Which was incorrect.
It's not parcel A.
So I will show you on the map.
Okay.
Okay. So Deer Haven, this is the 12.2. Yeah. Our house is on 15th. This is our house.
Okay. So this is really over here.
This was just an evaluation. So disregard that. That's not the house. Okay. Our driveway that goes through Mr. Delgado's.
Okay. So where's Delgado?
So Delgado is right here.
Okay. So he doesn't touch Deer Haven Road.
Well, he doesn't touch Deer Haven Road. Our driveway, our right-of-way was given by Barry. Barry is the old property owner that Mr. Delgado bought the property from, okay? Right. Our driveway to our home is not from here.
Right.
It connects down here and it runs...
Right, I've seen that on the tax now.
Yes, and that is a right-of-way.
That is a right, yeah.
Okay. He owns this property. This is the, in matter of fact, it was devaluated at $20,000 for 8.3 acres, 8.3. 0.3 acres.
Right. Where does he get access? I mean, this starts with another person's property.
So can I do something that would even be easier for all of us? Sure. And I have a hunting. I hunt. I'm an avid hunter and fisherman. And this kind of is more accurate because it's GPS and it's relative and it gives names and
What site?
Oh, I'm sorry. This is huntstand.com. I'm sorry.
Let me look at the huntstands on my phone. Okay.
I look at everybody's. Because I want to know where I'm legally allowed. Okay. All right. So this is our 12.2 that I have highlighted in red. Okay. This is Mr. Delgado's right here. Okay. I'm just giving you for reference. That's okay. And then our house is located here. Okay. So the properties that we're discussing right now is this 5.8, which is ours, and this 12.2, which is ours. Okay. Now.
I can't see because you're in the room.
I'm sorry. Can I go over there? That's okay. So I'm not in your.
The question is, where does the right-of-way start?
The right-of-way starts at Deerhaven, which I just gave you the agreement.
Right, I have that.
Okay.
Take pictures of it. Oh, so it starts at Deerhaven.
Yes.
So Delgado's doesn't go to Deerhaven.
Okay.
Show me where Delgado is.
Okay, Mr. Delgado is right here. Right, he's the... And he's right here. He has access from Acretown. From his house, he has access because he owns this property. I didn't mean to move your hand.
That's right. So he has a separate parcel, but he's got access.
From both.
From Bankertown. And Deerhaven.
No, and it all. I don't mean to cut you off. He also has access through Deerhaven. Because when this deal went down back when her father made the deal with the old owner, Barry, that is my wife. had a cop has a copy and i can bring it to the board i can go back to the house and get it has a copy of mr delgado's right away he has a separate right of way he has he has his own property that goes up he's got a he's got a joining car yes ma'am and that gives him um access from from his from bakertown but he also has a right of way right away on our specific driveway Two, he owns on our driveway.
Oh, so the driveway. That's right. Yes. I've seen the right-of-way buses through Delgado's.
His 1.7 right there, right, was traded for this right-of-way. And this was also part of the deal. And I have all this paperwork. My wife has a file this big from her father, who had passed away young. who went through all of this back and forth. Okay. So if you want me to bring that, I can bring that.
So let's go through these other fossils because they are, again, they're all marked here, which has, which explains why the properties are so, the values are so different. So Delgado has a right of way. And I have seen that on the text next.
Yes. And I can hold on.
Because I have to.
Yeah.
Okay. So Delgado is Wow. Delgado is 68224. This is Delgado. He has a right of way.
Delgado's.
Now neighbor one 68224. 47. Where is that? Again, that's...
I'm going to make this really simple. I'm going to pull this up on the Ulster County 5144.
Does it have access to... What I need to know is... Who has access?
Everybody that I listed on there has access. How? Through Deerhaven Road.
But they're not adjoining Deerhaven Road. They're not located on Deerhaven.
They are absolutely on Deerhaven.
Okay, can you show me, because here, this is the easiest thing. Can you show me where they are? Delgado was here as far, he doesn't touch. But he has access to the other properties.
Through Baker's time, right.
But they're not here. This is the Ulster Downing website. And this is what I've been studying for a few weeks now. So I can pull out an app directly. exactly where we are. This is 6801. Just give me a second to get adjusted here. Yeah, it's a bit...
I got that part. I couldn't print it out.
Yeah, I couldn't either, and this is why it's a little bit frustrating. Yeah, because... And it moves around on its own, so you have to find exactly, and then you have to which now where's um your Haven Road here well just give me one second and usually I can find it right away and I should have this prepared I'm sorry um this must donate this must indicate the right way or it's
Yeah, it was that maybe that's dear.
Okay, so that's how Stevenson that is this work over.
Well, I just remember. Somehow this doesn't show them touch it.
But could we ask that he come out of parts for the on the parts that he had listed the parents, the parcel parcels that indicate on that how they have access with that help.
Yes, all of those have access.
Okay, they're all okay. Look, they're all for the status.
I'm trying to get to this right here. So The other parcel, which is here, Mr. Ryder, that is the one that is listed as another one that is listed as rear.
Okay, but how does he touch Deerhaven?
That is Deerhaven. That is to Connie Suter, which is that agreement.
Wait, where is?
Deerhaven is right there. This is a new couple that just bought the house up there. This is deer. Yep. And it continues all the way to Donnie's house, which is right here.
So these have access to.
Absolutely. And I can show you on the map if I can pull it up. And it's right. And it shows a dotted line saying right away.
Could I is it because we are getting a time.
I'm sorry.
Would you be able to.
Print this out?
Print that out. Okay. And then show the connections.
Yes.
To that.
Absolutely.
So if you could do that, and then would you be able to do it and bring it back to us this morning?
I'll go to the library.
Okay. Yeah.
Or if I have a printer here, I can do it here.
I don't think we really have access to that.
Okay. No problem. And I'll get that work and I'll get the agreement actually from Mr. Delgado this as well.
We'll just need to see. You're saying they have access to dear. Yes, but they're there. And I can see now. Okay. Yeah. From just this map.
No, we got to go on. Perfect. All right.
Come back.
Yep.
No problem.
Absolutely. Thank you for your time, board. Okay.
Yes.
Yes. I want to.
I'm sorry. Is the is the statement that you read? Yes. You have a copy. It's on. It's in the package. Yeah. Okay. Yes.
And I can.
You're a very good reader.
Thank you. I tried a little stressed out. Yeah. My wife being sick and her not coming in today, she's usually the better half. Well, thank you.
You probably did a good job. My goodness, I haven't heard that since my wedding vows.
Oh, man. Thank you.
35 years ago.
Ma'am, do I need to get that printed out and come back? Yeah.
And if we just leave it at the back here.
Okay.
Is that okay with you?
Is that okay?
We need to see how they touch.
Absolutely.
Access is different.
How they touch.
If they touch. If they touch via a right-of-way, then we need to know it's a right-of-way that leads them to Deerhaven. Yes. Like the one thing you showed me, Deerhaven went through the property.
Yes.
Okay.
I will show you all that. Okay. You're welcome.
Thank you very much.
Thank you very much. Thank you.
You are not committed.
Okay.
I'm sorry. Just before you leave, we have one second. Did you want to ask Jeremy his input? Oh, yes. Jeremy.
So we did speak about the parcels and I did mention that it's possible those may have been misclassified or not correctly maintained during the reval. So I'd have to look into them further, research the deeds right away and have the county look into those.
So it was the Delgado parcel and those other parcels, the ones that were marked real, those were the ones that were misclassified.
Potentially. They would have to look into. Correct. But again, I did point out to them that just because somebody's under-assessed doesn't get them the right to get under-assessed. Okay. All right. Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you.
You're welcome.
Thank you. Well, thank you. Thanks. I'll be back.
Okay. Cynthia Tacty? Yeah, of course. Come on up. We'll have to swear you in first. Okay.
I just wanted to know. I haven't figured that out yet. It means more if you say it when you're swearing.
Okay. That's what I know. That's why I asked. Okay. Well, now set a new precedent.
Okay.
But you can sit down. Okay. Okay.
You both solemnly and firmly swear that the information you're about to give will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your ability to do so. Yes.
Good morning. Good morning. Hey. So if you could start off by telling us.
We have two.
Okay, we are going to start with 155. Is that how you do it? The house? Or do you want to start with? No, we'll start with the house.
Yeah, we'll go with you. Is 150 the house? It's the house, yes.
Oh, I have 124 then. I must just have, no, I must have that. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. You're 124, right? I'm 120. That's the, that doesn't mean. Okay. So we are going 150. Okay. So.
So, well, okay. The way we live, you go up the road. We live on. The mountain goes this way and this way. You know what I'm saying? The roads, we're on the low side of it. It's like our neighbors are here, we're here. The road goes up. So it's pretty much, we get wetlands coming down the road, down this way, you know, down the mountain this way. It follows the road down. We still got a puddle here. I have to dig ditches around the goat pen all the way down through the yard to drain. You can't really build a, you can't maintain a lawn until it's dry now.
It's starting to dry now. She still has dishes. Her entire lawn is ditches.
All right. So now I live, like I said, I live up this way. So it's wetlands. It's not wetlands, but it's soggy. You really can't keep a lawn. They have us assess that The shed, they have two sheds. One's a truck body. It's like a run-in shelter.
Which I believe you have pictures of. Yeah, I've seen them.
And others are dilapidated sheds on cinder blocks that we buy, you know, like on Tour Line, they have them.
Amish.
Amish, but it's really needs to be replaced. My front deck is gone because, I mean, it's just a wet property.
Right. And the other... shed that you guys have is a truck body that holds the goats. Okay, I'm sorry.
Yes, and we saw that, and we saw the, it must have been one of the sheds with the siding coming out.
Yeah, yeah. That's the regular shed. It has holes in the roof. The roof needs to be replaced. The whole shed needs to be replaced, obviously.
It just holds animal feed, basically. So it's in the bucket. Anyway.
So how would you describe their conditions?
The condition of the shed. Right. The condition of the shed, it needs to be replaced.
It's got holes in the roof.
The whole siding is deteriorated. The cinder blocks are literally going into the ground. So it would have to be lifted up and taken away. It's falling apart.
You would say it's even worse than poor. Yes. That's just the shed she's talking about. Well, the other one is a... Right.
I mean, we haven't talked about the house. These are just the...
Right. But they count and we're all given... Right. Okay. So then you do have wetness. Yes. It's dry enough now.
And then how... But to make one other point, to make the problem worse, in between me and a neighbor, the town ran a culvert pipe down from the top part, and it runs down. And it's supposed to be run like this. They have a gully that they dug out.
It runs into our property.
Anyway, it rips down. Yeah, it runs slow because it's older, and it kind of runs into the bullpen. So I got the water coming from the bullpen like this. I got a ditch from here to there, so it runs away from my house. And then I have to run it from here to here, and then from here to here, because you can't load this all with.
Of the 2.3 acres that made up 150 Richmond, how much of that would you say is left?
80%?
Yeah, because you got the front and then the back slopes down. It's closer down to the swamp.
I'm sorry, doctor, is the house 80%?
How much property do you think your house and immediate surroundings that are not wet take up then? You're saying that's only another 20%?
Yeah. With the ditches a little more, maybe. How about it? With the winters, usually by now, I can stop them on the Yeah.
It seems to be getting wetter and wetter. Let's see. I don't see it.
We were never told by the owner that it was wet like that.
There's pipes all over the ground, I find out.
Is there anything about the house?
The roof itself needs to be replaced because we had something chew in the soffit and tried to get out, I guess, and chewed actually with a fly board and chewed where I could see the shingle, but it's not leaking yet. I'm trying to... In the rooftop.
And the soffit has been replaced with used pieces. But they're not in great shape either because they're used pieces instead of brand new pieces.
Okay, so let us see. The house was described as the in the normal condition. So you'll have one kitchen, one for that, and two bedrooms? Yes. Okay. And other than the roof, is there anything else?
We have to replace the side deck. It strikes the very time I replace it. It just rots from the bottom up. Flaps.
Okay. So it sounds like wetness is a real... Yeah.
It runs down to my backyard. I'm on a slope like that, so it's...
Okay, I think we are looking for 250. You want your assessment reduced to 200?
That's what our lawyer has put together with us. And that's what our lawyer has decided after going through everything, talking to us, looking at pictures.
Okay. Are there any mistakes?
Yeah, there is. That leads into the land because I... Okay, Jeremy shows the book, but why don't we start with the land for you?
Who's on the land?
Okay.
Okay.
All right.
So you have the house, but this is in the D. There's a right away to that back land in our D. So here's here's our house. Right here, here's our driveway. So on this side of the driveway, well, into the driveway, there's a right of way to go back to that back layer.
The corner of our backyard.
And that's the only way to get in there. That's why our lawyer, at the time of our closing, put in there the right way, because there was no other way.
When we bought it, the guy offered us 2.39 from Stonewall to Stonewall, or he'd give us a deal if we cut off part of it. It would be just under two acres. I wanted to say yes. I said, I want to go from stone to stone. and that's why ed carroll who was the lawyer said we weren't going to do the deal in the house because we weren't we didn't buy that property at first we would just buy the house and he said we had to have exclusive right away on this side or or the deal was off so they put it in our feed so we went wall to walls 2.39 acres But he showed me on the county map, they say, I have a road. That goes down and that's how I found the culvert that leads into my. That goes down the side of my problem.
That's our house property, but that's all property.
We didn't even know we had to find a house to property 5 acres a year almost a year later. Yeah, because. They were going through a divorce, so we offered it to me for 8,500. So, you know, I mean, if we bought this acreage, it's 2.39 from here to here. And they're saying we have five acres back here. This part that you're talking about would be roadfront. Not only was it a drop like this that would cost, I don't know how many thousands of dollars to put in, but it's part of our 2.39 acres. That's what we bought originally. We didn't buy the five acres until a year later when he was going through a divorce. So you can't say it's 2.39 from here to here. But this roadway access, I'd have to cut through my goat pen. We bought it at this much, 2.39. There was no roadway. That's why the guy offered us less. He wouldn't put the roadway in there. But we bought it. Like I said, not planning on buying that. We just bought it, and then he offered it to us, so we bought it. We own it.
We had to have the railway put in because there was no other way to get to this platform.
Let me see if I understand this. You have the home. The home has something in there that says you must give right away to this other property which you never owned before.
We didn't plan on buying it.
I'm just trying to understand the situation right now. If you were to sell your home It has that right of way. Correct. It would go along with it.
Correct. And the two properties, are they continuous? They're back to back. So you would sell the whole thing if you wanted to, right? Yeah.
I mean, I thought we'd have to sell it in two parcels. That's another thing. They're not one whole parcel.
Right. You can do a lot line division. What? A lot line division. What's that? You move. the lines so they can incorporate both properties.
You can get the two properties put together as one.
Oh, okay. That's interesting.
We don't want to sell. Also, it was classified wrong back acres because this is a neighbor on the same side as another neighbor and we're here. This is the five acres, right? Wetlands, wetlands,
No. Did you happen to look on the map to see if it was classified as weapons?
Jeremy looked first. He said no.
It's not. But here's another situation which our lawyers found out. Of our 5.2 acres back there, two acres are considered undeveloped lands. 3.2 acres as residual. Well, how did they come up with that? Because it's all undeveloped land.
The way they do it there, it splits it up, making it worth more value, which is unfair. And it should be what land?
But math technically does not show. Influence codes. Right, right. But I'm just trying to understand.
It went too long. The last we've been staying, there was a guy here. He's on the board now. He looks a little oriental. I'm not sure of his name. I don't mean to be mean or not. But he even admitted it because I got the same rocks here in Swamp that they got on both sides. At the time, they were assessing us. This was way back. What was it? What were the assessments?
I was working at... The real estate office. The guy across from us was paying $2,000 an acre.
He was assessed that.
So he was paying $2,000 an acre. We were paying at $11,000 an acre.
Does that work? I mean, we haven't done nothing. It's just the same spot.
I was able to produce.
Jeremy, do you have anything you want to add?
So as regards to the house, what I'm hearing there sounds like some adjustment is warranted there. Okay. Reference to the house. You need five acre parcel. I did make an adjustment when we met back in March or April there, but a negative influence to the wetness on there. I'm sorry. Yeah, the influence code has a 50% effect on that.
land because of wetness in the single part, in the separate parcel, the 5.1.
But have you come up with the two different acreage of two as undeveloped and 3.2?
So what happens is when they look at a vacant land and they look at your zoning, you're zoned for two acres. So they set aside two acres as undeveloped because it has Potential of being developed as a way of sight. That's why they set aside those two acres. Because it could be used to build a house. And then the remaining, because you're in two acre zoning, so you need two acres to build a house. The remaining length then becomes residuals.
Okay, there's no way to build a house back there.
But what it does is it leaves that opportunity so that it could be sold like that. And you're saying there's no way?
Yeah, because from my house, from the backyard, on the side where the road supports go down, it actually, the water will come up. It's all wet. It goes down, so it's wet. It runs from the front yard all the way down.
You're not a picture showing the back of the land. It goes right down. streams going through it. They slowed down.
I mean, now they were slow. They slowed down. I mean, it could, but it cost a lot of money.
Okay. Anything else, Jeremy? Okay. Thank you for coming in. We will Taking into consideration, you'll hear something by July 1st. All right.
Thank you. Thank you. I love your goats. I saw the picture of one.
Yeah, that was Elsa. Oh, she's a good girl. She's a good girl. Thank you. Thank you.
Oh, thank you.
Next one. Oh, is she down?
Yeah.
Come on down. We'll have to swear you in first. Yes. So if you will stand there. We'll set a new precedent. Come stand here.
solidly firm a swear that the information you're about to be able to be given actually is a good place to call your building.
I do. Sure. And let me tell you, I had a little deja vu when I saw your pictures. It's an old pizza place. Yes, yes.
We actually visited it, my husband and I visited it long before we ever were even married. when it was a pizza place. So yeah, definitely.
Oh, sure. I'm sorry. This is G122. Okay. So why don't you, why don't you go ahead and tell us what you're here for?
Sure. So, um, the, I'm sorry.
I'm sorry.
Here. The preliminary assessment value was $715,000. And so I really only brought forward one comp, which I didn't think I needed more. It's the property that abuts my property, which sold in November of 2025. It's 297 Bobby Turnpike. if it is supposed to be representative of the value of the property in June or July of 2025. So that property that abuts my property, very comparable house-wise. It's 2,300 square foot minus 27, so a little larger, but not significantly. That house was completely redone because, you know, obviously updated kitchens and bathrooms and open floor plan, all the beautiful things that people expect of properties these days. My house, not so much. It's a Center Hall Colonial, so never going to be an open floor plan unless someone wants to put in a lot of money.
Open a pizza place.
In the garage. Yeah, in the garage. I'm sorry. that comparable property also has a garage although detached similar in size but detached some people think that's higher value some don't whatever um i think the only significant difference in buildings is that we do have one out building it's six by twelve um there were some other buildings noted on the reporting however they're actually trailers movable registered licensed
I saw your name. Yeah.
Yeah. So we only had one outbuilding at six by 12. But the noticeable difference in the properties is our property is 2.7 2.8 acres, their property at 17. And it's sold for $620,000. So I am trying to understand who might want to spend $100,000 more than that on a much smaller acreage for a very similar property. So some other differences, right? We do have a pool, but they have a pond.
Right. Is it in ground pool?
It is in ground, yeah. So aside from that, that's pretty much the basis for the conversation.
Okay, great. I think it, It matches very much with what you had in here. Jeremy, is there anything you wanted to add?
Well, I did take a look at this one. And we ran into what was generated under number 570.
Well, we can't offer it yet.
But that's aligned with what we thought, right? So that's much more aligned.
but you will hear officially. Perfect. By July 1st. Perfect. Thank you for coming in.
Thanks all. Have a good day.
Okay. Since we have some time, I would like... Jeremy? Do you think you could run through some of the ones we have not scheduled so that we can get those in the record if we go back? Are you?
What? Just real quickly, though, can you just repeat the amount that you recommended on the TACD?
Five, one TACD. TACD. I wouldn't recommend another one. I know. On the 5804, it's going to be different. the 94th on the Vegas. Okay, I'm sorry.
That was which, 124 or 125? That was 125. You said something and I just couldn't write faster.
That was 125.
I'm sorry, you've already reduced it to that much, or you're now recommending a further window?
Yeah, it was actually reduced to that.
Yeah. Yes, it was reduced. That's right. So you're recommending no change then? Right.
Right. That would be March or April that we met, so I don't have to do a step or anything.
OK, so if we can use this time just to try to run through Your recommendations on some of the parcels where people have not been in attendance.
Right.
And if we can start with G one. Did just arrive. I'm sorry. 10 o'clock just arrived. Coming in, they're going to be walking.
Okay. Okay, if you'd like to come on up, we're a little early.
You're ready for us. We are. If you want to come up, we'll need to swear you in first. Of course. I've done this a few times before.
Not your side of it, but which is only important, right?
Stand up please and swear yourself in.
Affirm or swear that the information we're about to give will be given actively and truthfully to the best of your ability to do so. Yes. Yes, we do.
I do. Beatrice Haugen, don't you? And this is my son Clayton Haugen. Son.
Yes. And the other relative.
That is correct. Your Honor, how are you today?
Unfortunately, on the...
Still chewing up my...
Listing. People. It only lists me, but it's supposed to actually list both.
Excuse me.
Go ahead. Sorry.
What I said was the listing only shows myself as on the property owner, but in fact, it should list both of us.
on the list. It's okay.
I should say I went by parcel viewer. It shows it on parcel viewers. I don't want to show this.
So go ahead.
Okay. Do you missing a member? Do you want?
No, we're not. We're waiting for three of us today.
Oh, okay. Very good. All right. Do you have in front of you the folders that should have been given to you by the secretary?
Yes. But if you would go ahead and present your case, that'd be nice.
Okay. I just did
This is G-120. Were they sworn in? Yes, they were sworn in.
Okay. We are looking at the property on 191 Samsonville Road. It's descriptive as 311 residential vacant land. The acreage is 1.7 acres Of residential land, um. This land is residual to the house property. Okay, and with that being said, we, uh. Have a tentative adjustment on the tentative roll of 8,500 dollars. We are respectfully asking for consideration. At this be lowered based on the specific conditions prior to that.
I think it was a reduced from. From yes, 17,000. So it's already been cut in here. Correct. Okay.
Okay. I'm a little confused because that's not on the 524. It's what made me hesitate. No point. Do we have to list that on the by hand?
But we are having discussions on the property. That's why you're here.
That is true. Okay. The water mitigation. There's great drainage issues on there. They are as a result of persistent, you know, there's persistent standing water and ongoing drainage issues. It limits the property's functionability and reduces the potential development opportunities. And it has increased the maintenance responsibilities on the property. The source of drainage is through no fault of our own. It is external. And environmental factors beyond our control. And for proof of this damage or further evidence, if you will, of this damage for better wording. The planning board chair and 1 member came because of the result of the 50,000 square foot building being put on the property at the top of the hill, which is. Owned by and LLC. And with that large size of building, it was determined that that would cover the acreage of 1 acre tripping or triggering the need for a swift, which is a stormwater pollution prevention plan. And that has been asked for by the planning board as part of secret. And it has been determined that. Drainage abatement is necessary. Because it currently all of the stormwater runs. And they have buildings up there in excess of the prior footprint right on the. Antiguous property edge, which has caused more drainage over the past 2 years. This this friend further problem with the drainage. Of this contiguous uphill property and increase in land coverage by future buildings. The drainage will increase exponentially. Rendering this property unsuitable for residential use. There, um, you won't be able to perk a septic. You'd have to put in a background. I don't know what else you would have to do, but it's very bad. I can't mow it. I'm pushing water as I know. As I stated, this parcel is separate from the house. This lot is not equivalent to a one-acre standard lot. The lack of road frontage affects access and marketability, and in Ulster County, this parcel could fall into limited access, below average, and utility-restricted property. If this property were to be sold separately, there would be a need to purchase a right-of-way in one of the contiguous properties. Due to the setbacks, this right-of-way is not attainable through 191 Samsonville Road. There has been no inspection by the town assessor. I'm sure he assumed this was average land He did not account for the drainage until I went in to speak to him, at which point you know the figures now. And what we want you to know is that this uphill drainage is beyond our control, which makes it, that is one of the reasons we are here seeking a lower assessment and the lack of road frontage. This parcel, I can't find a parcel that's comparable. I can't. I don't know of any uphill properties that have an uphill. Expansion of use like. If I could find 1, I'd be happy to share it with you. But I cannot so in summing up some of this, we are still, we still feel that the 8500 overstates. The properties market value and we have given you a figure of 3294.
How did you come up with that thing?
Would you like to?
I would love to expand on that. The number was developed based on 53% evaluation to bring it to its full 100% evaluation. Now, when you say it was lowered from 17, it was actually raised from the original number to meet the standard. The 17,000, so the original number, if we were compounded to that 100% would be the 3,000. I don't have the number. 3294 it started at, um.
1696.
Which was the original assessment number and then raised to that.
The original market value.
What's that?
The original market value. That's correct.
Now, the other thing to keep in mind with that property is with the amount of wetland that consumes the property, which would be about half of the property, the way that that half is divided with the wetland, it wouldn't allow for any residential expansion anyway into that wetland because it wouldn't meet the necessary setbacks for construction. The property, not only is it restrained by the inability to purchase a right-of-way, it's simply because any of the property lines where the houses sit on the surrounding properties sit without the ability to construct another driveway to get to that property. So in other words, it's surrounded by housing, which wouldn't allow for the right-of-way to get into the house other than through, which would be the Kerr-Honkson LLC property, which would be down. That's hotel versus residential property. That's why it makes this more of a residual value, simply because it's only of use to 191. What's that?
A rear value.
Okay. Or I consider it residual because it's only usable by the person that's at 191.
Right. And you have access to it. You're saying the surrounding properties couldn't grant access. Could you grant access?
No, we couldn't as well because we don't have the setbacks because the non-conforming pre-structure on there, we wouldn't be able to get the driveways on either side of the house from 181 or from Samsonville Road.
yes it's another way so are you saying the only way you could sell that property was if it would be sold with your house it would be sold with the house that's correct as part of the property so it's a standalone parcel it is it's standalone and that's why and as a standalone right exactly
the properties behind your house. Yes. And it's sort of a narrow, your house is on a narrow property and there's not enough room on either side. That's correct. The driveway, if you look, unfortunately, you have to look out for a viewer.
pictures that you would like.
Yeah, it shows it shows the driveway is actually a very narrow driveway. It goes between a set of hedges, telephone pole from Central Hudson, and then goes past the house. There's not even enough room to barely enough room for one car as it is with pre-existing drives. So in order to gain access to that, you would actually have to go through that with that driveway turn go around the garage that's there and then you would be able to gain access to that property all of the other houses the same thing every house has a narrow driveway or a garage that blocks the end of that driveway it's great and i don't i know and i appreciate it and it is um
I just, I wear it.
I know Jeremy, did you have anything else you would like to add.
Just have it. That's why the residual land said what this influence on there. So it's not being considered as billable lot.
you did have it as the 50%, the wetland. Because I don't know if there's any wetlands. Yeah, that's the... That was your estimate. Yeah, that was the comfortable estimate. And unfortunately, in the wet of spring, sometimes it might creep over a little more. Or heavy rainfall in the summer might get severe. We all know it. Yeah. I mean, quite frankly, for two generations, we've been trying to navigate the water around the house as a result of those heavy rainfalls. You'll see ditches that get mowed and fill in, then have to be dug again. And her basement is constantly running with water. I've replaced a sump pump in her basement a dozen times. And it gets really severe.
Two years, it's gotten much worse. We used to be able to play baseball. You can picture me playing baseball. We used to play baseball in the field.
Everybody's place has changed. Yeah, it is.
It is.
Okay. There's nothing else? Thank you.
I have a question.
You will hear by July.
You'll hear by July 1st? Okay, because the legal notice was published yesterday that said you weren't meeting until the 2nd. There's a legal notice published June.
No, no, you mean, I'm sorry. By July 1st, you will receive something in the mail that indicates what our decision is.
Okay, that was going to be my next question is how will we be notified?
Will we be notified?
Okay. Thank you very much. Good to see you.
Excuse me? Has it been a long time? Yes, it has. Well, in your other capacity, I don't want to speak.
okay so we do have 10 minutes before the next meeting um okay
Jeremy, could you run through for us?
And we need our official minute taker right here. We need our minute taker. We need our minute taker. It's been a run through the, the ones that are outstanding. Okay.
I'm sorry to interrupt, but I don't have access. What is the one? There should be a guest.
Then you have to end up trying to get the center.
We don't know. All right.
Okay. So if you could run through starting with G one or 42 path route.
This one is a multiple residents property. Site one is a two-story house built in 1880. We have an effective view of 1990, shown in fair condition with a covered porch, a 270-square-foot barn on 5.9 acres. Site one is being valued at $336,000. We have site two, a 1935 built, 504-square-foot cottage, in average normal condition, with the covered porch being valued at $100,000. And so number three is a 1945 built 456 square foot cottage an average normal condition can be valued at 100,000 take the 336 and then to 100s. 36 the property transfer to 914 2023 for 272,500 which was not an arms like transaction. was sorry say that again it was not an arm's length transaction it was a transfer between relatives one of the buyers was also to sell it uh my notes are the um property owner probably did not respond to the property data mailer back in october as it appears that some of our data is incorrect uh they're saying that these are year-round rentals while we have them as seasonal cottages So it could not be assessed as an income producing property when it is classified as seasonal residences. Multiple multi-family residences are done on the income approach there. So I reached out to the property owner for an inspection on 5-13-2026 with the time constraints. And I think by the time he contacted us back, he didn't have any time to get an inspection done before he could stay.
And so do you have a recommendation?
Based on it again like that is like the wrong. So really inspection would be the best thing. Otherwise, I would recommend no reduction.
And you will provide us written copies on all of these. Correct. Thank you. Okay. Okay. G2. Do you have anything on that one?
Don't have anything for G2. G3 Subject is a 6.8 vacant parcel with no topography or wetness issues that I know of that are noted. And unless there's something I don't know of, I recommend no reduction.
Next one you have is?
Next one would be G5. Subject is a 904 square foot cottage built in 1973 on 6.3 acres of land. And they have the comp sheet attached here, coming out around $325,000.
And, I'm sorry, what was it previously?
Do you have it there? I figured there. Okay. Actually, that's this one.
Which, what are we talking about? G5, yeah. Right now it's G5.
Don't want to G six, but even the key seven here. Okay. This one is a 1965 built ranch, 2,171 square feet of living space and fair condition on 65.1 acres of land, barns and sheds and poor condition. After reviewing the tentative assessment property data, applying some wetness influence on the land, coming up with a land value of 465,900. market value of $735,000.
Okay, do you want to do one more and then we'll stop?
G8 is a 1.7 story contemporary style house with 2,106 square feet, 4.5 acres.
That's good quality construction, average condition. and have some comp sheets attached showing range of value of $965,000 to $1,068,500.
OK, thank you. I'm sorry, would you repeat the list, the portion, $1,000,000?
Comp sheets attached with a value range of $965,000 to $1,068,500. OK.
Okay. Oh, Sullivan?
Yes.
Come on up.
Thank you.
Okay, you may have to bring one more chair.
Yeah, yeah. And we're doing two properties at one side.
Okay, so we are on the same. Where you sit down, where you sit down. and 127 and 128 and 128.
Do you all solemnly affirm or swear that the information you're about to give will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your ability to do so? Yes, we swear.
So let me see. The first property would start with 127. We're calling it 127. 74 Woodrow?
Yes. Right.
Yes. And looks like it's, well, tell us about it because I've got my own impression, but I want to hear directly from you.
It's not necessarily our properties themselves. It's the access to our properties. Woodrow is not a clear road. Woodrow is like a lane. It runs through a dead end. 25. it ends with us. It runs through 25 and 63. 25 and 63. Yes.
And just stop for one second. This is not a new thing. This is going back before Howard Lipman was the supervisor. This is going way back. And it's just, it doesn't go away. It's just on and on. What is it?
It is these photos I have here of what we have to drive through every day on both sides of the vehicle, five feet from the vehicle. It's not a real road. It's just a lane. And we have complained and filed through court enforcement.
enforcement for years and been told that something be done have not received responses from code enforcement we're going to resume that process we met the new guy we're going to resume that process however right now to understand before you go on you're talking about your access to your houses right passing having to go through this yes okay and it's on both sides of the lane
And within five to seven feet of the car, there are car parts.
And it runs four tenths of a mile. And it's not a junkyard. It's more like a debris field. In a junkyard, you have organization. You have cars, you have tires, you have whatever part. This is multiple businesses operating out of 25. Sorry, 63 Wood Road. There's excavation equipment. There's oil tanks. There's engines. There's race cars. There's excavation equipment. There's a dump truck. Sorry.
Are these all one property?
This is on one property. There are two properties. The stuff that I'm running is on 25 specifically. There's other... What I'm talking about now. We can talk about 63 also. But all of that is on 25. Okay. So it's...
Dump trucks.
Abandoned vehicles. Car parts, engines.
Trash. Normally, we have that in Accord. It's understandable. There's properties that aren't maintained. This is beyond regular homeowner not maintaining property. There's businesses going on there. There's environmental issues in there. There's oil probably leaking. There's engines that are on the property from the car repairs they do on the property. They do a tree business where they bring in wood, not just top, they've denuded all the wood on the property, but they're bringing in wood with likely has invasive species on it. And then they process the wood on the property as a business and sell it. And they do that all winter long. And they're working on excavation. And we'll share the pictures with you, but that's 20, and the people have come down the road and they're intimidated by the ownership.
He cuts trees down. You know, someone has dead ash, cuts them down, brings the dead ash over. They'll dig out the barberry bushes, bring that over, and just stack it there. And every now and then they'll burn it or bury it in the ground.
By the new logs.
Yes, yes. Log lengths before I would have proposed to say, and just jump. It's just ongoing.
About your own property, your houses themselves.
Well, hold on, because I'm also focusing on the influence codes.
Right. This is very important. Okay. Okay. Once you get... Did you want more? Yeah. I want to hear everything.
Okay. Because I have a decision on this.
So the property has been in their family since his parents bought it in the 60s. This was not there then. This has happened in the 80s, one of the trailers and then added on to. And actually, 63, it's fairly decent until right around COVID. And that's when it just went really just awry.
We completed in 23. We followed up in 24. PB, David Ensign he or he. : 25 we have. PB, David Ensign he or he. : Those.
PB, David Ensign he or he. : So your road has to go through this. PB, David Ensign he or he. : looks you're right worse than a junkyard. PB, David Ensign he or he. : And it's not. PB, David Ensign he or he. : Why don't you leave this with us. PB, David Ensign he or he.
: That is soccer. PB, David Ensign he or he. : You.
PB, David Ensign he or he. : And it's not like there's a setback off the lane where. stuff occurs.
Does it impede your travel? Yes.
Sometimes it does. Sometimes it does. And we're told we should call the constable or whatever if that happens. And it's like whack-a-mole.
Yeah. Okay.
Because they run, I guess, the vehicles to the car races. And they'll pull off the trailer in the cars and leave them in the road and So in terms of property values, if we look at your land is valued at 130, I'm not looking at 74 wood road, the total assessed value is 500,000.
Is there anything about the Putting aside the land value, is there any other things we should consider when looking at the house or the property value?
Well, the structure was their parents, and it has not been updated since probably the 70s. I mean, it's totally like stepping back in time.
It's a cabin built in the 30s, basically.
It did an addition to in the 70s.
And back to the land, yes, there's whatever, five point whatever acres. Four of them. maybe three and a half are usable. The rest are, you know, they're locks. And it's fireproof. That's all you can really do.
On 74 Wood Road, most of the land is not usable.
You said it has trees. Trees can be cut down, as you know, from your neighbor. Is there something else about the land?
You can't develop it.
You have to switch back to get up the hill. There's only about two acres.
Well, you can get up and down all those areas. You can't get down with a car. How much of the... At least two acres, probably.
Now, the house, is anybody living in the house? I see it retains with wood.
We're there for part-time. We're part-time.
We're two or three months out of here. Is it seasonal?
I'm sorry?
Seasonal. Do you think in the winter? Yeah.
Sometimes. We make them in. Yeah, we make them in. Yeah. We went over it for a couple weeks, but yeah. We were here last November.
So it's all year round.
Yeah.
Yeah. Insulated?
Yes. It needs updating. Poorly insulated. How about that? 40 years of mice. There's nothing there.
Mice and squirrels in 1938, but yeah. Okay, and...
All right. But otherwise, do you have any other heat other than wood?
It has oil in it.
Oh, it has oil. Yeah. All right.
Is there a one-car garage, two storage buildings ? There's a one-car garage and then, yeah, a couple. Yeah, yeah.
And it's one car garage for a very small vehicle. It's an eight-foot garage.
I do have a question about this one picture. It's like a gray building. I don't know what that is. Is that the Gregory?
That's a chicken coop, the chicken brooder.
That was a chicken coop.
Yeah. And the red garage, that is not theirs. That is mine.
OK, the red garage. It's a different property. But this is the chicken brooder? Yes. What's in front? It looks like it's open and falling apart. I can't tell the condition.
Oh, that's just in the back of it. It's a small lean-to shed just for an old tractor.
listed as a Cape Cod on the tax rate.
You got the wrong copy. That's mine.
Oh, this is a Cape Cod.
That's 69.
Yeah. All right. So please, would you like to be heard separately on 127? Or do you want to do 127? OK. So then let's move on to 2869 Woodrow.
Yes.
Okay. That's the one with the It's been running for this.
Yep. Too bad when you have that.
Yep.
And the garage.
Yes, you can hear
The red garage that was originally built back when it was Howard Anderson had it. So, I don't know, 40 years, 50 years. Anyways, I built that in 93 myself. 94 moved in. Everything was fine and dandy except for the junkyard next door. And that was in the process of getting cleaned up. And then... It stopped getting cleaned up and became worse and worse and worse. And I had gone through the grievance, I think this would be the fifth or sixth time in the last 25 years. So it's an ongoing, and I've always heard they've got a new code enforcement coming in. They're great for some. It gets cleaned up, and then it reverts back the way it was.
Is the junkyard, which is it adjacent?
It's adjacent. It's adjacent to his property. To your property. That's the one we're talking about. 63.
It's actually adjacent to both properties because on one side of the road, it's Michael's, and on the other side of the road, it's ours. Both of them are adjacent. Okay. Okay.
So right now we're talking about 69. Correct. Let's see, you have two acres primary, 4.10 acres residual. Anything special about the property other than the junkyard?
I don't have a check card. I can add one if that's the most...
Janet Callahan- It's always changed. Janet Callahan- Bound by the neighbors.
I'm also there and make it nice. Anything special about his web. Yeah, it's clay. What it retains.
That's, that's, that's car.
And rock.
Right.
Yeah. Put a spoon in the ground, you get two rocks and a half spoon of clay. Right. And then The back portion of it, I had to fight with the county because there's a small stream down there, Brooks, and that, they're saying that I flood, my property floods, which it does, that bottom 100 feet does. Like, no, there's, like there is, we're on a hill and the back portion, two acres or whatever, I'm not sure of the exact. It's, you know, it's on the, you know, steer paths and what have you. Is it steep or is it? Yes. Extremely steep. Yes. Yes.
It's a great area.
Oh, yeah. It would be if we didn't. So it's all learning.
You're asking 280? That would be the right assessment.
That was me. 280.
Right. Is there anything about the, other than what you described, is most of the buildings... were built in 1994. We had an old barn.
Yeah. The garage was there when I got the land from my parents. We got it through a tax sale in 1984, I think it was.
And is there, you said you built a garage?
I built the house.
Oh, you built the house.
And I went there, I built that, yes. In 1994.
Yes, 1993, 1994. um now it's uh checked car it's one bed one bath one and a half baths two bedrooms yeah and the basin is partially finished so what in particular is driving your um assessed down to 280.
It's just, if I want to try to sell it, I'm not going to get what they're saying. I mean, I understand.
But why? What is it about the property?
My property is probably just going past the other two properties that you can't avoid to get to it.
You think that it cuts the value?
Absolutely. There's no alternative to go around. There's an absolute one dead end road that you must pass. And at Accord, you have options on most other streets. So that is the issue. And I would encourage... anyone to drive up.
But it's intimidating. You can just make it past the gauntlet. But I still do like you.
Let me ask this question. If that entryway would change, would you be comfortable with your settings?
At 563? Yes.
No, I think that's too high.
We don't have a 563.
That was the original guard.
The letter we received from them was $5,500 now. Yeah, you're right. Okay, so really the main issue really is that.
Yes. inability to, if you wanted to sell it right now, it would not be.
Right. But secondly, the house absent that, the one that we live in, the land, like you said, is probably 130. The house is a cabin, which is maybe a couple hundred. So two and 130, maybe 250 or something like that. That's probably what the value of that would be.
Tell me which one you are again. I'm 74.
74. 74. Yes. 74, you think, would be somewhere in that. Like 350 to 400 if everything was a perfect world. Right.
Well, your grievance, you're looking for 160,000. You're looking for it to be reduced to 160,000.
Given where it is.
Yeah. And given its age, condition.
If that issue was gone, whole different scenario. I wouldn't be here. I would probably have done this and got this resolved already. Thank you.
Jeremy, you have anything to add?
So what these people have done a week or so ago in a different location, I was coming up at a time of 74 with road G127. I was coming up with 445, I had made an offer. I'm hearing a little more about how the condition of the house is. It sounds like that probably may be adjusted down a little bit further as well.
I'm sorry, which one is this? You said 125.
74. The older little cabin there. 76.
127, your case number.
The address, please.
74.
74.
And then for 69 Wood, I made an offer of $440.
Okay, we will be reviewing these. You will hear something in the mail from us by July 1st.
Are you guys going to take a drive home?
I would prefer to do that than to have to sit and go through all this.
Even going through all that.
Come over for tea.
Or something harder if you want it.
It was a beautiful rope. Honestly, it was gorgeous. It's a shame.
So we're not putting you out by taking the pictures?
You don't have those. You can put them on the wall. I wish we could have those forever.
Do you want me to drop them off at the code enforcers office? I'll be getting them.
He's going to get his own set.
Thank you guys very much. Thank you so much. Appreciate your attention. Okay, Mr. Ward.
Just come on up.
Come on.
Damn, we're going to swear you in.
Uh-oh. Do I need to stand for that?
We've been doing that. You got a nice, strong posture, Gord.
Gord, do you solemnly affirm or swear that the information you're about to give will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your ability? I do.
Now you may have it.
Thank you.
So why don't you tell us about your property?
It's 9.3 acres. It has a manufactured home with an addition and a three-bay garage on it as well. There's a lot of water. If I go down through, it's in a low spot in the valley. I have Scroon Hill Road up on the backside of the property. I have Schwabe Turnpike up on the upper end of the property. Both are higher. So he has a watered bottom crossing the whole entire, a good chunk of the property, probably about a third of the property has water that runs across it on a regular basis.
I'm sorry, you said a third?
About a third, yep. And I did give copies of a topographical map. And then, so again, that are wet like that. There's nothing that I can do with any of them. So that's an issue. It runs down across the property. So I did also supply pictures, photographs of the water in different locations on the property.
Is that year-round or seasonal?
It depends which one. Basically, I believe, for the most part, it's rain runoff to a big part that settles in the lower spots of my property. And I mean, once it runs, right now there's places that you can't walk without muck boots because it's so wet.
Okay, but it's not classified.
Not to the best of my knowledge. Not that I know of, no.
So it really is not the area itself that is a wetlands, but it's wet because of the runoff.
Right, right. To the best of my knowledge, it has never been classified as wetland. The classification that they have on my information is as a stick bill. It's a single family home. I don't know. It's a modular home with an addition. I mean, I did research on it. There's certain things that have to be done in order for that classification to be changed. Probably about, I'm going to say 20 years ago, my wife and I wanted to build a house on the property. And the bank refused to give us money because it was considered a manufactured home. And they wouldn't hold a mortgage on that property if we tried to build a house because it was a manufactured home. I've never done any paperwork to change the classification. There is a... There's a form that has to be signed and notarized, affidavit of fixation. I also have to turn in the certificate of origin to the county so that they can change that from personal property to real property. And to the best of my knowledge, that was never done. I don't know when the classification was changed.
You said you have not submitted those?
I have not, no.
A property record card has to have a 7 feet manufacturing house. Okay.
And on my, on my information, my tax information is classified as to that.
I can do Jenny.
Yes, please.
Probably class 210, which means single family. Yes. Right. Yes. Right. But the building style is 17 manufactured houses, the building style.
Okay. So it is classified as manufactured.
Yes.
Okay.
Okay, now I'm confused. So it's classified as manufactured housing, but I'm getting taxed as a stick bill.
Well, the property class is a 210, which is single family, because you're a single family residence. Yes. Correct. Under the site, which describes the site there, you know, all the improvements. We have the building style as a manufactured house.
Oh, okay. Okay. So then my understanding is incorrect as far as the way it's being touched. Yes.
Okay.
I wasn't aware that, you know, like I said, the 210, I thought the 210, because if you look at the numbers, 270 is manufactured as far as the tax codes.
We use the 270 for single family or single wide.
Right. Right.
And that 270 is mobile.
Double wides are one of the additions that are put on it typically.
Are they now considered a single family home? Okay.
So the double wide. So manufactured double wide. Manufactured house is a double wide. We'd be considering 210 as well.
Yes.
17 manufactured housing but classified as 210 single family. Got it. I am not the assessor. Now, I'm not sure from what I understand about this is I also understand that a lot of this is being done as building lots. I have 9.3 acres. My property cannot be subdivided. I've been in front of the planning board with this town three separate times. I've been told all three times that my property cannot be subdivided. Have you said why? They have not told me, no. Just told me that it cannot be subdivided.
Do you have letters?
Not that I know of. The reason why we did a manufactured house with an addition is because the bank refused to give us a loan to build a house because the manufactured house was there. We were going to build on a different part of the property. The bank refused to give us the money. They told us that if we wanted to build a house, we had to subdivide the property off. That was one of the times that I went to the planning board so that we could subdivide four acres off and build a house. And we were denied. It's because it's a 05.
So it's a five. You have to have five acres.
Well, this is going back when it was actually one acre. We were still refused.
Okay, I don't know about that. But now here is five acres.
I thought it was two.
05 on here.
Okay. Well, they changed that too. Okay. But I'm just saying. Recent changes, right?
But you were, at that point, you were not.
At that point, right. And we were told that we could not subdivide.
So, I mean, that would be the case now because you couldn't.
We still couldn't subdivide.
Right. Because now zoning is 5.5.
Right. And I got 9.3. Right.
You need to get 27 or something. Is this day off time? Okay.
Okay.
And then again, much like, listen to the conversation with these guys, I have a similar issue with property across the driveway from mine.
Neighboring property.
Yes, neighboring property. I have photographs in there of the neighboring property, the pile of tigers and the junk cars, and a very similar situation to where I am.
Now, is that... In terms of access to your place? That's right. Or like next door, side by side?
Well, the only way that I can get to my place is to drive right by that. Okay. Yep. It's a private road.
Okay. They don't block the road.
I've got a few stories about that. No. Not normally. There have been a time or two, but not normally. Yeah, I don't have any issues with that. But again, I mean, it's just it's an eyesore.
It's an issue that all around town.
Yes, yes. So I know, I mean, that was all I had.
I think, like I said, the grass through, you know, you have good information there. Jeremy, do you want to add anything?
So I just went through selected all manufactured housing, comparable sales and coming up with the market value for 30, but that was not taking any of this into consideration. Okay.
Oh, hey, Mr. Ward, thank you for coming in. We will get you something by July. Great.
Sounds good. Thank you.
Okay, thank you.
Yes, thank you. We're taking a little water break. option. Right. So you do the water break and you do the other water break.
Right. You need some time in between.
Remember those little dolls we used to have? You put it in and it came right in. I took that to heart. I was a kid. All right, so.
Thank you.
. . . . . .
Okay, Ms. Rocha, do I remember to pronounce it right?
It is. It's all right. Okay, we need to swear. Oh, okay. We need to swear you both in. Okay.
Do you both solemnly affirm or swear that the information you're about to give will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your ability to do so?
So you have two different properties that you're bringing today. One of the things we've done is we've split properties up so we have some that pay a little bit more so we can look more carefully at it. So Cliff has the lead on 13 East Street and then I have made... So whenever you're ready.
What do you want to do first? Well, the 13 East Street. I'm just, I just highlighted the things that I wrote to you. Okay. So 13th Street. Okay. That's great. Basically, this was a parcel that we bought. My sister and I own the properties together. And we bought this. I'm sorry. It's a parcel that we bought together. These properties are all owned together. And we bought it at a tax sale, a county tax sale. And that was, I think it's 09. Okay.
Yes, we bought it at the time.
There was the remnants of a house on it that was really ramshackle. We had been trying to get the owner to fix it up or to sell it to us. But he waited until the roof fell apart, the roof fell in. And he had also...
It's on the property itself?
It's on the property. It happens to be across from our property. You know, there's the remnants of the canal in between. And at the time, you know, he also managed to bring in, I think, two or three trailers that he had in the house trailer. So One smaller than the other. One big one. A number of little outbuildings that he had had for many, many years because the property had been around probably since at least the turn of the century, last century. You know, so it was all a lot of debris on the property. So we got it at the tax sale. We decided we wanted to clear it out because it was really an eyesore for everybody. People that lived above for us that were at that point in time. I think we bought that. Did we own that one yet? Remember your yeah, we did. All right, so we on the property those things to it as well. Where my sister lives. And it was on the ground. It's all right on the rail right now. All right. So the property I don't know if you're familiar with this property is the property in question is at the end of the rail trail.
Oh, okay.
All right. Yeah. And so it's right. In fact, the dividing line between Rochester and Warson are right on the property. So, um, This particular thing, it was just a mess. You know, we called somebody in, took the building down, removed all the debris, took all the stuff away, and cleaned it as much as possible, right? So that was the end of it, because that's essentially what we were planning on doing. Since then, we've had a very steep road going down into this space, because it's very low. The access was coming off of E Street and Worsink. Right. So, and it came down and that was very steep because they couldn't even get out in the wintertime. They had a hard time. Since then, that has totally been destroyed. And there's this little runoff stream that comes down from the mountain and it has washed that out. So you can't even access it with a motorized vehicle. Because I used to have, I'd try to have somebody go down and try to cut the grass and stuff, but he can't get down there anymore. So that's why it's starting to go to wood at this point in time. Again, this is basically, it was just done to make it look better to take down a dear old building. And because it's on the rail trail, I have been pushing for the rail trail for many, many, many years. So even though it took away my privacy, but I thought it was a good thing for the town to have. So anyway, that's that building. So the story of it was, I told you the things that are bad about it right now. So it obviously has no drivable entry. The previous drug is way too steep. It was totally washed out. This one. I was able to find some comps on these for this one. And that's what I gave you. So there's four that are things that have happened already. There's three that are presently on the market. Some are better comps than others as comps go. Let's see here. You can tell them this is the way it goes. But anyway, that's what's there is as very, as good as you're gonna find, as best I could find and reference looking for them, right? So, and that's why I put down the $27,000. So I think I've said everything that's on the sheet that I gave you. You know, that lots getting wooded again, properties originally brought to move to derelict buildings. The driveway is too steep and washed down. And there's no drivable entry.
And you've gotten rid of all the... Everything's gone.
Well, we put in, I think it was $22,000 just to do that at that time in 2009. And we should be much more today. And we bought it for $8,500. So it's now going to be assessed at $60,000, which I think is excessive. Given that the constant I came out with were considerably less than 27,000. So, that's my rationale data less than an acre.
0.97 acres.
Yeah, I believe so. It's a little less than.
And, uh, the, the driveways are washed out the page.
It only has this driveway that goes into front of. It kind of comes out right in front of us where my sister lives. 11 E Street. 11 E Street. Okay. But it's really steep to get down here. They couldn't even, they used to ask us to park the car on the top because they couldn't get out in the wintertime. That was when the road was still, the driveway was still.
You could access it now.
I don't go down there unless, I could walk back down probably if I wanted to go down through the water part that, you know, the part where it's washed down. Well, no, it's got the remnants of the canal in front of it, you know, but at that point, the hill goes up steeply, and the back of firm road houses are there, and it's very steep, so there's some runoff at different points on that. If you've worked the rail, you know there's runoff coming through, and that one comes right at that point, and it washed out that road one time when it got really heavy rains. And so that's where it's at, that one thing. Do you have any questions?
Any questions?
Jeremy, do you have anything you want to add on that one?
This one I did look at, and I gave a negative influence for the shape and typography, and it was coming up now with 42,000. So that's why?
And you still say 42,000 for it? Yes. Okay.
again this is not the final determination so this is listening to you listening to what the assessor has to say about what you said and then we take a look at it and make a determination so that's this one this okay then the other one is on main street yeah the other one the other one is actually part of
We owned it together, but I actually live in that house. We bought it 49 years ago. And the property, it goes between Rochester and Worson. It was a farm. It's been a farm since its inception, probably. We bought it from a family who had owned it for about, I think, at that point, probably about almost 40 years. And now we only 49, I never thought we'd surpass them, but I guess we did. And they actually farmed it. And so, but, um, they were very same kind of sheet on this one or no, I don't, because I could not find any cops for this. The big concern I have with this one is that it was classified as residential vacant land. And basically this is the farm component of the property. The part that's the place that was, uh, you know, it used to be in strawberries. It's been in corn has been a lot of things. Um, but, um, when I looked at the, I mean, it's listed as residential vacant land, but when I looked at the, um, the, uh, codes and state, you know, just looked at the codes, the one that I thought it was was code 321, which is, um, it's, it's listed as abandoned agricultural land, not nonproductive, not part of an operating farm. And that seemed like a perfect description of what it was.
But there's no farm next to it now.
No, nothing's wrapped up. So it's like, you know, just hopefully.
I think it's residential vacant land.
It's listed as, yeah, it's listed as residential vacant land. I'm thinking that it should be not that, but 321 abandoned agricultural land, non-productive, not part of an operating farm. Because it's a big stretch of land, you know, it's at least six acres, whatever. And it's also totally in a floodplain. There's no consideration for that anywhere in the codes. I saw there's a code marked underwater, but it's not underwater. It's just wet. It's not wet. It's just a floodplain. So as a result, I have two insurance policies on my house. What kind does that have to do with it? you know, for flood insurance. And we have been flooded twice. I mean, seriously flooded, both in 05 and in 2011. And 2011 was... And it had been flooded also in 1955. And at that point, the water is totally covering everything, right? I came up to the floor joists in my basement. And the other property had two and a half feet of water. So that's why we had to get flood insurance. So... It is a floodplain. And so if any development happened, they would have to have definitely have to have flood insurance. It would have to be something that would definitely come to pass.
And this has come into being over the past.
It's open. It's open. If I can.
I mean, this when you first purchased it, was it like that? Or this is just happened as a result of whether it's changed?
No, no. Well, it happened in 1955 when the area had a very bad flood.
I think the state has reclassified. floodplains not too long ago.
Into another, into a separate code maybe?
No, no, no, no, no. They've just gone and they've looked at... Oh yeah, they keep, they do change.
Well, we've been floodplain for a bit.
Yeah, you might not be a hundred year anymore.
What's that?
You might not be a hundred year floodplain anymore.
Yeah, right, right, right. Might be 50 years. So that's the situation with that. So it is a floodplain. I know that it's certainly if you were developing it, it's not that it's impossible to develop a floodplain, but there's all sorts of other things going on. And ramifications down the line where you're putting the stuff, how high up you have to come, the cost of it because of the insurance and everything else. So it's always been farmland. It was honestly never even realized that it was just going down and being... classified as just vacant land. I didn't know how many coats there was. It wasn't something that I was paying attention to. But they never really charged me a tremendous amount for it in terms of the taxes, relatively speaking. So I never thought anything about it. But when it went up to now $91,500, I was like, $91,500 for a floodplain here? So I'm sitting there trying to get somebody to cut it all the time just so that it keeps down and doesn't turn into woods. It's very pretty on the rail trail. People comment on it all the time, how nice it is. And I just get somebody to cut it if I can once a year or whenever they can come. I can't find any farmers that are interested in doing anything. And I have to pay usually to get it done. So that's where it comes down to. That's essentially what's going on. So I really felt that I couldn't find really comps. I looked for them. uh i don't know really how to evaluate because that if i if it truly is that 321 i don't know how that rates in terms of a regular comparatively speaking so i don't know what you do and it is a floodplain so all right any other questions no any restrictions on the land anyone restrictions no no i never put any and there were none before
HAB-Juliette Boone & Jeremy and something so I was able to look at this one and take into consideration the floodplain and with that I am recommending coming up with 36 six 36,600 HAB-Juliette Boone & Okay.
And again, we will take
Right. I understand.
That into account and what you said and try to put it all together. You'll hear from us by July 1st.
And that goes into effect in, would it be September for the taxes or next year? I think it's September. September for the taxes.
Okay.
Thank you very much. I appreciate it.
Thank you. Thank you for keeping our rail trail so beautiful.
We try. We try. I try. I try to encourage people not to throw things down, not to be so noisy. We take, be one with nature.
That is so wonderful. It's wonderful. My husband works for Open Spaces.
Oh, yeah, Open Spaces, yeah. It's great.
He loves them.
The retro's lovely, you know. I mean, we really tried hard to get it going. I mean, don't worry about it.
And you get an upscale theater in now, too.
Yeah.
I didn't know that I met a fan of the retro. Yeah.
Yeah, we really tried. We used to have a, we had something in the 90s called Artists in the Lanier Car. Yes.
And they took, when they redid the trail, they took away the butterflies.
That's when they took it away?
Yeah, supposedly they're behind somewhere around here.
I remember. There were other plans.
I'm going to cut this off so that we can let our next person come. Thank you very much.
Hello. Hello. We're going to swear you in first. I think I have more paper from you than from anybody else. I always try to cover all.
I'm standing for the swearing.
It's only a firm swear that the information you're about to give will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your ability to do so.
So help me God.
Thank you.
Is it too much? No, no, no. This is the...
Appraisal that we were waiting on?
No, that's part of the appraisal I put in there. But yeah, I recently had an appraised. I was truly out of the picture with my family. Why don't we start at the beginning? Okay. So go ahead. I usually get nervous and I forget what it was. So the town increased the assessment from $417,000 to $1.15 million. So I went out and I got a certified independent appraisal, which concluded the market value to be 737, which I still think is high because we had a realtor two years ago, gave us an assessment of 500 to 525,000. So that's why I'm here. Jeremy was very kind and he did already reduce the amount to 825, which is wonderful. And I'm very grateful. However, we're five co-owners right now. We have an additional sister who was ousted out of the family property for brother's reasons. But anyway, and we're all in our 60s. Our parents had bought us in 1963, 64, around there. And it's meant for us to gather as a family, as we always used to.
But you don't do it very often.
We don't.
Well, I had four.
You do. Which house? 468. 468. The one with the pond. Beautiful. Thank you. Your father, was it your father who died on the property outside in the garden?
No, that was a long time ago. Yeah, a long time ago. Okay, we better get back to this.
Go ahead. But that's a beautiful property. I understand he died right there, like right near the lake. Unless you built the house behind the red one that was there. Let's switch back to here. I'm curious. That's all. So anyway, so I'm Anna and I'm a number four or five down the chain. And I appreciate your time for me to speak here today. So as I stated from four 17, three, we're up to 1.15 million or actually down to eight 25. But I still think regarding at, towards the end you'll see some pictures of the property inside and out. The barn recently had a tree fall on it and it caused a lot of damage. Part of that sidewall is bulking. The house is, it's got a sagging roof. It's got, warped wood that needs to be replaced. As you know, we don't go often. We grew up there and we were there all the time. And now basically it's in the summer months and sometimes off season. But we'd like to hold on to this property. And it's over 150 years old. I got the deeds back to 1870. So actually my other sister is saying maybe we should have it historically. Historically said, you know, for... The burn itself is worth it. But anyway, so that's why I'm here. We have the appraisal. So I have the actual copy of the appraisal with me if you want to see what we'll say. And like I said, I'd love to get it down to $725. I think that would be generous for the That's the situation the house is in. Can you read this one? Sure. Jeremy has another copy on your office. So on page 10, you'll find out we do.
Yeah, 725.
There's a forestry-related restriction. There's a Form 51-160 on page 10 that you'll see. So as I said, there's sagging roof, peeling paint, foundation cracking, moisture intrusion. unfinished interior areas, insect damage, in addition to squirrels or chipmunks in the roof. I love squirrels. Squirrels, you hear them running at night, you know, and deterioration of the barn. And what else do I want to say here? Basically, yeah, that's everything. Not much for me to say.
And I think you've given us a lot of documentation. So you can review it. We have, we have done that already.
I'm speaking for all of my brothers and, uh, my one sister has dementia, but she actually wanted to stay on the property. And I was looking forward to doing that for her, getting her a live-in. Uh, she was living in Kingston, uh, in Hurley until she could. And then, uh, She wanted to save the house, but she couldn't stay there all year round by herself and the house needed work. And so that's where we're at. If there's any extra money we have, we'd like to put it towards renovating and repairing the things that really do need repair.
Jeremy, do you have anything you want to add?
Well, I did go over the appraisal that was submitted. Right. And I do have some issues with the appraisal.
I'm sorry, you what? Say that.
I do have some issues with the appraisal. With the appraisal, wow. I wasn't using the proper lot size adjustments. I was using $40 a square foot. Right. But with that being said, the appraisal was helpful. It showed me some of the conditions of the property in the house there. That's why I would say two recommendations are adjustable. the 825, what I was coming up with.
And also I wanted to say, a few years ago, I was fighting off a right of way that was in the deed. And the person who bought the house near the little lake on the bottom of the hill, he also bought the lot adjacent to ours, which is exactly the same, right? And he bought it for $75,000. It was $63,000. So, you know, I don't know, recently, uh jeremy mentioned it's valued at 325 hours and i'm thinking with you know one third of the parcel has um uh timber that's all it was fire damaged right and um so i'm thinking maybe that's appraised quite high i don't really think it has that value especially seeing that the adjacent lot, so that's so little. So like I say, anything you can do to help us, I'd really appreciate. And anything you need from me, please feel free to write or call. OK. Thank you very much. Thank you for your time, everyone.
I just have two, four. So it's
Okay, Mr. Dunn, come on down.
Good morning.
Good morning. We're still morning. Before you can sit down, we're going to swear you.
Yes.
You solemnly affirm a swear. The information you're about to give will be given accurately and throughfully. You're going to need to do so.
I do. That's good seeing you. I haven't seen you since CBA days. Ma'am, I've heard about you, but I've never been able to put a face on it.
Oh, well, here's the thing.
It's related to the schoolmakers, right?
My son married into the schoolmakers.
That's exactly, that's what it is.
Yeah, we all, we share grandchildren.
Wonderful.
Now the schoolmakers' genes in my genes are bad.
I used to put a face, I didn't put a face with Ms. Bonner. Yeah, I have no connection.
That's okay. But you still, but you have a face. Okay. So we're going to start with 85 Cemetery Tarot.
Perfect. So.
I'm glad you like it.
May I open up with, so. There's going to be some changes here because as research continued and I learned more and educated myself more, there's actually some changes, some things I would have done differently with my addendum. First off, I would like to thank you for the opportunity to approach it face to face because I put that data out there because honestly, I didn't think there was going to be an opportunity because I thought there was going to be so many folks. That's neither here nor there. But that's why I wanted to get that printed data out to you. So with some more late breaking since Tuesday information I uh I did put an addendum together I apologize I should have done uh three but I am going to go through this in order whoever wants to be the head in charge of that is this the one that starts this remote 161 acres we're going to start with that 161.5 the 13.7 I will call that, that will tag along. And what I mean by that is everything I'm about to say to the 161.5 on Cemetery Road applies to the 13.7. The only obvious difference is the acreage. So is the assessment on that per acre going to be different? Probably based on the parcel. But again, I'm not the expert on this. Bear with me because this is not my area of expertise.
What is your area of expertise?
Actually, my background is engineering. I'm a retired fighter pilot in the U.S. Air Force. So my claim to fame is aviation. I'm a mediocre welder, plumber, carpenter, timber, sawyer. But one thing I will say is aviation is my expert. That's what I did for my adult life in the United States Air Force.
You're looking at United States Navy. Very good. I gave you the shape.
I always like the Navy because when we go and fight, the Navy gives us a ride. Sorry, that's out of a few good men.
I always love it. You can't force faces because they're
No, it's all good. Okay, so we'll go through this page by page. Here's the addendum. I would like to read it for the record because it's short and sweet. This is an addendum addition. It's an addendum to the addendum for RP 524 for 85 Cemetery Road, SBL 68.3-4-35. This parcel is presently categorized as type 04, residual. 158.5 acres is classified as residual and type 03, undeveloped. Three acres, and I'll have the data to prove that here shortly. I believe this is an error, and this is going to be the whole premise of why I'm standing in front, sitting in front of you. This land type, in my opinion, should be type 07, woodland with a classification of 910, private wild and forest lands. For parcels greater than 100 acres, the rate per acre for type 07 is 2,000. It goes down to 1,000 depending on the group that it's in. depending on its group one through five and there's again i'll have the attached new york state real property system land tables rochester 2026 is the title to uh to verify that okay next page this is off of the is it the pro scar the town of rochester i i'm saying pardon my my scribble there but i'm trying to put notes on this so i downloaded this off of that site If you look over on the left, the highlighted 2026 assessment information has the land assessed as 613.5. It has a total assessed as 897.4. So there's a delta between the two of 283.9. What is that delta? I can only assume it's buildings or structures. Okay. Well, in my original addendum, I list my structures, as I'll call them, because two of them would be hard-pressed as buildings. They call them canopies. They're roofs only. One of them has my sawmill under it. The other has farm tractors, farm elements. I actually gave pictures to Gar. I didn't add that with yours. So we have a delta even without looking at the type or classification changes. Over on the property description, you can see it's 312, vacant with improvement. Once again, I believe it should be 910. Historically, it was 910. If we go down to the bottom, 04, residual, 158.5 acres. I have no idea how that got classified. Residual has a rate of... 10,000 to 5,000 an acre. No idea why that is. I think it's misrepresented. Undeveloped, three, no. If anything, those two should be flopped because undeveloped carries less cost per acre than the residual. But I don't agree it should be either one of them. It should be 07. Then you see the buildings. Okay, let's go to page three. This is where it gets really interesting. Page three, Ulster County Parcel Viewer. or Beacon Schneider, either one you get this off of. Once again, property class, 312, vacant or improvement, in error, should be 910, private forest. If you look on this one, if you look at the bottom, if you look at historically, what was it? 910, private forest. When and where did it get changed? I don't know. I will admit, like a lot of people, We're guilty of, hey, everything's fine. Everything's fine. We're fine until it isn't. And right now, it isn't with the 2026 data that came out. So that's why, lesson learned, got to stay on top of it. I had no idea it got changed on here off of private force. And if you're saying, well, Mr. Dunn, why didn't you look at your tax bill? I did. I have a 2026 tax bill here with me. And what does it have it listed as? It has property class, private forest. So when I look at my bill, everything's fine.
So looking at the definition of private forest, your own definition, it says any land that does not conform to any other property type classification, which means it can't be used for anything else. But in fact, It can be used for things.
Name me a private forest that couldn't be used for something else.
I'm not going to do that. I'm going to go by this classification. Agreed. I'm going to focus on yours. Right. Code type. Private, wild. If I'm not sure. Oh, I was just going to look at the classifications that you gave us before, like the wetlands and the stiffness and everything else.
If I may, that's why I gave you this jumping ahead. Since you brought it up, private code type 910, private wild and forest lands except for private hunting and fishing clubs. Okay, we meet that. Description, this division includes all private lands which are associated with private forest lands, and I agree, do not form to any other property type classification. Well, What other would it be? It's not residual.
No, no, no. The classifications can look at, I don't know if I printed out the page, but it can look at agriculture. I know all of them. Look at vacant land.
Understood. Right. It certainly qualifies as vacant land. It certainly qualifies for private forest.
Remember, it's, well, I'm not going to argue with the definition, okay? We understand.
It could fit in many classifications, but we could take the Tongass National Forest in Alaska and we could clear it and we could classify it as something else. The question is, in its present state, which description best suits it? That land up there, anybody's welcome to put their boots on and go with me and we'll take a hike. It's best suited as 910. That's why historically it was classified as private forest. That's the whole reason why, because that's the best place it fit in. But we kind of jumped ahead going to the classification because if we go back, Pardon my disorganization. If we go back to this page where it talks about this is the New York State real property system land tables. The thing that I don't know, I'm not a poker player. I'm going to tell you what I know and I'm going to tell you what I don't know. What I don't know is what groups one through five is. No one could answer that to me.
Well, first of all, you have the whole chart.
Agreed. I have the whole thing here. Can you tell me what groups is?
Yes. You have your thing there. Look on your sheet. It says neighborhoods. I see neighborhood code.
44005. 44007 on this one. There is no group seven. Groups are one through five.
I'm looking at your property. No, but if you look under each of those groups, you'll see each of those groups go for more than one.
I'm sorry?
Okay. If you look under where it says the group.
Yes.
Under there, you will see a few of those cover more than one neighborhood. So while there might be groups.
Ma'am, there's no neighborhood on here. I have here's another.
All right, so this is your card, right? I have a neighborhood card.
I understand that, but that's not the group.
Yes. Here's the group. Understood. Okay. Got it. Okay. Yeah. So if you go, there's that.
Got it.
Group four. Yep. Right under that.
It's under there. Yes. Okay, got it. So that's where it is under that group. That's why I was saying under, because I could only see five groups. So when I saw seven, it's broken out into that code. Well, that's even better. You answered something that real property couldn't answer. So I commend you for that. Thank you. It was like learning something. I can take the rest of the day off. Okay, so now let's specifically go to that. So let's go back to, again, the 161. That's 44005. So if I go to 44005, there we go. And I go to three, undeveloped. Correct me if I'm wrong. Down to five acres is 10,000. And I assume the 9 million, that that's anything over five acres. It's 5,000 an acre. That's how they have me three and undeveloped and whoever the other is. I'm claiming 07. I'm down to 2,000 an acre. And that's what I wrote my addendum on. It went from 2,000 to a low of 1,000, but I didn't know what group I was in. Now I know after you educated me on that, which again, I thank you. So that's what I believe that should be because that is the best description of that parcel.
So- So you want the whole thing as private forest, which I said.
We could do either. I- You may laugh, but I just want to be fair and equitable, just like New York State taxation or finance law says. I'm not looking to get away with anything, but right now I think I'm paying a disproportionate... I shouldn't say that, paying. I'm being assessed at a higher value, which may result in a disproportionate issue, which that's not the word to bring up anything with taxes. I understand that. So... What this does is takes me, let's just talk in round numbers, from the type three or four takes me to type seven would cut me in less than half because in round numbers, let's just say it went from 5,000 an acre down to 2,000 an acre. That is indeed more appropriately. Where I was going with my original addendum that you saw, again, I learned more in the past few days, was, hey, I think it's because this parcel is so big, 161 acres, I think it's unfair to just say cookie cutter, because I have a large amount of wetlands along the Mumbacus. I have a large amount of standing water up in the interior. I have a large amount of sheer rock. I have these things that really, it's good for what God made it for. It's good for the animals. It's good buffer. It's great to have this big parcel. I mean, I work up there almost every day. All I did was I put up my one barn so I had a place to work on my farmer shaker. And that's what I do. I come out, I see the bears, I see coyotes. Yesterday, big, huge five-foot black snake. You know, I love it. I leave them alone. And that's the way I want this parcel to remain. So I don't have any heartburn either way. If we want to go and look and I will get an expert to come in because these were my round numbers of 100 acres of this, 60 of this. I understand it's just me looking at it. If we need to string that out, I'll do it. If you want to go the route of let's classify the whole thing as private forest, I have no problem with that either. I have no issue with that. I will agree. Let's take a look at the buildings.
Let's bring up... Before we do that... Go ahead.
Go ahead. I'm listening.
When you put your first package together, you broke your lamp down into wet steel. Correct. Do you stand by those numbers? And can you tell me how you figured out... I'm assuming you know your lamp.
But... That's generalities. Am I going to tell you that's exact? Absolutely not. The reason why I did that, Sherry Casabella with Gar. When I originally contacted Gar and I asked questions that the individual could not answer appropriately, they said, I'm going to have someone who can answer them and call you back. It was Sherry Casabella. And one thing I will say about Sherry Casabella, a lot of people bad mouth Gar and everything else. You won't find me bad-mouthing anybody unless it's deserved. I will tell you, in my opinion, no matter what their data, that's another story. As far as professionalism, getting back, answering questions, Sherry did everything for me. Sherry, so let me answer you.
You have 15 minutes.
I'm sorry.
And we really have to stick to the subject. You have one appointment. I really have to stick to the subject.
I want to focus on, because I looked at those numbers and I did computations based on those numbers. You had, and I'll see if I have those. I don't know if I have it in my notes, but you broke it out. 100 acres was, I think you did 100 acres as waste land. You did 30 something.
I can tell you.
Oh, I have it right here.
I can tell you exactly how I got my number. And I will not tell you that number is accurate because I educated myself more. So I might have been off on those. But I can tell you exactly how I broke down my number. Maybe that'll help you.
Right. Undeveloped for three acres, that's because out of all of that land, there is probably a house site. And you're in three-acre zoning. So that's what the undeveloped means. You had wastelands as 100 acres. You had...
I didn't call it wasteland.
Wetlands. Well, that's the category.
Understood.
You had wetlands for 29.5 acres. That's correct. And you had residual at 32 acres.
Correct. Well, I called it improvable.
Right. And that's what residual is. That's fine. So you've got it. You understand this.
Of course.
Yes.
Yeah. I'm just telling my values may have been off because at that time I never knew of the group type. The document that you just educated me on the neighborhoods. I never knew that existed. So what I did, I can tell you exactly what I did. The number that's on there, which again, I'm not going to tell you that's exact. All that was a question was asked to me by the form. It said, what do you think your values were? Properties owner's estimate. This is my estimate. I didn't pull it out of thin air. I did the hundred acres and 1000 I did the wetlands of 500 I did the improvable of 5000 that's one of my number i'm not telling you it's not my job i'm not.
My point is not the numbers, because the that table is a tiered system so it's a little bit differently, but the estimation of the number of acres and let's call it the classification right are you comfortable with that.
I think before I went with numbers like that, I think we should define it and make sure it's absolutely correct. Because on either way it lies, I want to be fair. I'm not one who's going to take something and run with it because it's a good deal for me. It's not the way I operate. It's not the way my family operated, anybody who knew me. So I believe in pure fairness, whichever way it falls. So personally, I think that the easiest way Not the easiest is right, the right word. I think it should go back to private forest, which is what it was. Because all I did was come in and I carved out one portion so I had a place to work from. The rest of it I left alone. There's no house. There's not going to be a house. It's private forest. But let's talk about, make sure we have time for the buildings. We need to talk about the buildings because... Why don't you switch to this? I'm sorry? Why don't you switch to this?
Switch to the buildings. Thank you.
Thank you. Sorry, my hearing is terrible. The building, my first main pole barn was the only building I purchased because I had nothing. I didn't have my mill yet. I had nothing. I needed something to work from. So it's literally we started in this little tiny area. That's on record here in the town of Rochester. It was $47,000. You folks have it. You meaning the town of Rochester, not you personally, obviously.
That's on record.
That's correct. Uninsulated. Nothing, no one finished. It's literally a dry place to work.
Do you have solar panels on it?
I have two panels. You know why? There's temporary LED lightings in the back. I work with a headlamp on, even on a day like today.
Your song is electric.
Nope, saw mills, it's gastric. There's no electricity on site with the exception of the solar for LED temporary lighting. It's a total of 1200 watts. That's all I have. I can't run a saw with that. If I need to do anything, you pull a string. That's my life. If I need a vacuum cleaner for working on something, pull a string. I got a big right arm. Okay.
I'm sorry. We don't need all these elaborations. I'm just trying to get done.
Understood.
And the other two canopies?
The other two canopies are built with on-site materials. The only thing purchased is metal roofing, screws, and nails. I have a sawmill. You can come look at them. It's rough cut lumber. There's no walls. In fact, the one, there's two shipping containers that hold it up.
To get the timber off of your property.
Correct. And it's all blow down. Irene, Sandy, Lee, those storms made a mess. Acres and acres of twisted timber. It's all blow down. I am not the guy. I'm sorry, but I got to tell you this because you got to know. I don't cut hickory. I don't cut oak. Hickory's bat habitat, oak, it's nature's feed mill. Deer, bears, they sit there. I don't cut those. I just blow down.
You don't bring in timber. Go on. No.
That's correct. I don't bring timber in.
She's asking. All right. And then you have the two carp.
Okay.
Yes, ma'am.
Okay, you said at the beginning that this was supposed to cover the same argument for both.
13.7? It's the same type land. It's forest. There's no clearing. So everything here dovetails right into there. It's just the size. The important piece to understand, that 13.7 is really part of a 75-acre parcel. The rest of it's in the town of Oorsink. It's also important to know that's a part of the Schwangen Greenway area. critical environmental area. Can't remember the whole exact term. So that 13.7, that's literally just falls over the town line.
And the wagon trail.
It's the private road or Henry D. Green is the official name from 1865.
Access.
It's the only access. It is the only access to that parcel.
That's the 13.7 acres.
Negative. That's the 161.5.
You said it goes between two stone walls?
Correct.
And it narrows down to 10 feet?
Correct. You can barely fit a full-size machine up through there. They came and lined my field. The first field I made, I planted hay. And they came and put down 26 tons of lime. Went to Cornell, soil samples, did the full meal deal. Grows nice hay. That main field might be eight, nine acres now. You can see it in the satellite shot. And they had a hard time getting up there. It's that big balloon tire, you know, from schoolmakers. It's that huge balloon tire machine. They barely fit up my road. They were scraping trees on the side with the big rubber tires.
And that road is 85 Cemetery?
85 Cemetery. That's correct.
That is a private road?
It is a private road.
Who maintains it?
I do. I am the only one. Had it surveyed because it was kind of like, it was like an unknown entity. So, yeah. Yes, I'm the only one who maintains it. Need equipment to maintain it. It's a unique parcel. I know everybody says they have a unique parcel.
Yeah. Do you... HAB-Masyn Moyer- German, do you have anything. I'm sorry.
HAB-Masyn Moyer- I mean, Jeremy, do you want to HAB-Judy Nogg- Meet with Mr done weeks ago there went over the hundred system on a parcel. It's some adjustments due to the access to it and the poverty and everything and they made it off of those 710 400 HAB-Judy Nogg- It has for the 13 year parcel. Same thing consideration the shape and the And it's probably over $38,300.
Okay. Let me just ask you, what would have to happen to get this reclassified from the way it is presently classified?
Woodland private forest is only used if you're enrolled in the Forestry 488 forestry program. or if it's something like a Minnewaska or Mohon property that's fully exempt from building parcels there.
I respectfully disagree with that. 9.11 and then at 9.12, forest land under section 480 of the real property laws under 9.11, forest land under section 480A of the real property tax laws under 9.12. 9.10 is specifically private wild and forest land, says nothing about 480 programs.
My 12-year instructions, that's the way I've been bought there.
All right. We will decide where we come out, and you will get something by July 1st.
Thank you. Would you like the complete of that? I created out the complete thing of all the codes. Here it is.
That's what I showed you.
Right. So you have that. I appreciate you putting that out.
It's got to be rural, farm, and vacant land breakdown for all of the codes and what they mean. So clearly you have this too.
Yeah. I mean, these are all. I tried doing college, but I really couldn't find anything comparable with the forestry.
Thank goodness you have trees on your property because we just killed a whole bunch of them. I said, thank goodness you have trees on your property because we just killed a whole bunch of them.
Yeah. You got that right, ma'am. All right, once again, I appreciate your time. Thanks for listening. Is there anything else I could?
I appreciate you taking care of those oaks.
Well, that's what we stand for. We're good stewards. I hope everyone recognizes that. We've proved that over and over. Thank you very much.
Hey, Mr. Courtright, come on down. We're going to swear you in first.
Oh, jeez.
But you'll have to use the rebound. Do I have to stand? Yes. Stand on a Bible? We started now that. We started a new precedent because we couldn't figure out stand, sit. So we're going stand. Okay. Okay.
You solemnly and firmly swear that the information you're about to give will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your ability. Yep. Yep. Or yes, sir.
Okay, we'll just get our notes here and we will be right back. Okay, why don't you go ahead and give us your spiel.
You want to hear a spiel? I'll give you a spiel. Hopefully not as long-winded as some others. I just first want to explain everything paper-wise that I submitted. Do you have all that paper? I would hope so.
Yes, plus a little more.
Oh, really?
Well, that is... Looked at. Okay. Then we could find on parcel view of it and so on.
Yeah. Okay. Yes.
But we have all your nice pictures. See? We have all that. We have your information necessary to determine value of property. Okay. Okay, so.
So those photos and all the photos that show deterioration.
Yeah, I didn't want to kill a couple trees with those. Yeah. Look at those on the.
We don't want to print out too many either because ink costs more than probably my taxes would. Well, let's hope so.
Okay.
But as you saw in the pictures, the deck roof of the building, we also have carpenter bee damage, but I didn't take pictures of that because they wouldn't come out. Not the bees, but the pictures. Tile floor, interior trim in the house, some of those things. Tile floor needs to be replaced, but we've been thinking about doing a new kitchen, but it's been a lot of thinking and costs a lot of money. So that's kept that. interior trim work that probably has been a little lax. I built the house, so of course, once you move in, you know, things aren't as urgent. A big thing on some of those diagrams or things we printed out was the unusable land. It's 26 something acres. But as you can see, there's a lot of swamp. And we sent pictures, I think, of federal swamp designation also. And that was something that my tech whiz daughter was able to mark out showing that. the steep grades and all that. I also, I would imagine you have, so what I'm trying to claim is there's a lot of the comps that were used by GAR that what I was able to find myself through parcel viewer, a lot of the properties were less acreage. So I'm trying to say that usable acreage of mine is very comparable to the other ones. GARs, I called GAR. They told me what comps they used in determining the value of my property. And I'm sure you have them somewhere. If not, I've got copies of what they sent me.
Yeah, we don't have what... Well, hold on. Let's check and just make sure what they have listed. Have you gone to the site that they put up?
The Garland site.
Yeah. Does that list the same? I'm just wondering if it lists the same. Oh, there you are right at the top. How convenient.
So, top of value, or I don't want to be on top of that.
So. This has comparable properties by assessment and comparable properties by sale price. Okay, what did they give you?
They gave me what they use to assess. My house.
Okay. Based on sales.
24 Baker Road. 24 Baker Road. 37 Waterfalls Road. Yes. Anything else?
1877 Berm Road. Okay. 1877 Berm.
And 712 Queens Highway, which I found was A ranch and not a lot of home. All the others were a lot. My house is a lot of home. And I have this if you want this. I brought these along. That's the information I got from parcel viewer on all those parcels.
And all of those were
sold at a price less than what they initially assessed me at. Their initial assessment, new assessment of my house was $1,087,000, I think it was.
Okay, so this is the amount that's there now.
Now, after I submitted stuff to them, which is what they basically used, they dropped it down to $950,000, which I think is still too high. You're asking $610,000? Yes. And you may ask why yes, 1 of the reasons is because I read in some instructions that. You should be careful when determining how much of an assessment reduction to request because you may be precluded from obtaining a greater reduction than the amount you requested. That's where you all come in. Even if circumstances should show that a larger reduction. so so you're playing low ball is what you're saying sounds harsh but also i go off of my last tax bill right which the assessor estimates the full market value of this property as of july 1st 2024 as 676 415. so why is it now up to 950 000 after Less than two years. Nothing has changed on the property other than continuation of deterioration. But anyway, I need to follow my notes so I don't get lost.
Yeah, and focus it on the land. I mean, he said it's unusable land, swampy. It's a federal, not some federal swamp land.
It's federally designated as wetlands, part of it. I don't know if it's protected, but it's designated wetlands.
And I think the one but if you talk to me because this has been taken into account when they when they should be taken into account when they determine what your assessment is so that this land should be end up being classified as wetlands. Yeah, the right now 6.5 acres is considered wetlands. Okay, so that, you know, that's where these came out from.
Do you have a copy of the actual federal website printout that we submitted?
No, this is on the, this is on the, well, you can see the breakdown. Oh, yeah. You also said steep. Steep. Steep. Steep grave. Yeah. Where are the steep grades? That's okay. This darker area is steep grades.
So the house sits like here someplace, I would say. Okay. So this from the road, this is Mount Laurel Road. This is all steep grade down to the swamp. And this is all steep grade coming down to the swamp. This here is steep grade and there's a little piece of property here. And you can see this shaded area, that's all terrain. Of course, that's not my property.
But right here, this is very...
So that is all steep. So that's where the steep part is.
So you have the swamp here, and then essentially this is not usable either.
Correct. And even here where it's not steep, like my driveway comes in probably across here someplace, and it's just rock upon rock. I mean, Yes. Cherrytown. That's what we always say. Cherrytown potatoes or whatever you want to call it.
I bought it for Cherrytown. I know it. Okay.
So I think the only place that was nice soil is where we built the house. But anyway. I also submitted some comps that I generated from the new assessment, which... I think you should have copies of them.
Yeah, I didn't print out everything here.
Which is a general comparison of them. We have those, right. And the most, all of them very similar other than my house is, whatever it is here, two beds. A lot of them are three bedrooms. There is another two bedrooms. They have two baths. We have one bath.
These are all log homes.
These are all log homes. Yes. And the most interesting one is the one that is assessed at 710,000 and they have 22 acres. So, what's that? Yes. Yeah. So, why is my house 240,000 dollars more than that? There was another one that didn't come up when I called for comps. That was a log home. I think because it was classified as multi-residence. There was a log home similar to mine, but they also had a double wide on the property, which square footage wise was over 1800 square feet. That was three beds, two baths. The log home was two beds, one and a half baths. And they're assessed that their current new assessment is 871 5. Again, over almost a 100,000 dollars less than.
Oh, that was another thing, but you do have some nice outer buildings, correct? Additional buildings on property.
I have a garage.
Is that just large 1?
Yes, that's the 24.
Is that also livable space up above the house?
No, no.
Is the ceiling, is that hot?
No, there's like storage area. There is a garden shed. I think there's pictures of the roof that needs to be replaced on that. And then there's a woodshed. And one correction I think I wrote down was, I know it was, the house was originally heated by oil, but now it's totally heated by wood and outdoor wood boilers. That's why the wood shed. Which seemed like a good idea at the time, but as I get older, I wonder if that wood heat was not perfect.
Let's break that down so I can give it to my husband. You can write it right on my hand. That I'm going to use to slap him with.
So we can see it coming, right? I mentioned the last tax bill. And the other thing, instructions for completing the complaint for the RP 524, which I submitted. I saw that the definition of market value is that price was what your property would sell in the open market, assuming no unusual circumstances. So that's what caught our eye. We said, well, all these prices went through the roof during or because of COVID and the influx of people getting away from trying to get it away from people in the city. And that's what drove up the price where people were buying what would normally be, say, a $300,000 house, or $600,000 or more, because the locals couldn't pay $600,000, and they still can't. I think it's a big problem, but I think to reassess everything based upon that unusual circumstance is also not fair, or it distorts the whole event. It's caused, it's considered, I would consider COVID a catastrophic event that caused an unnatural spike in the mud zone. And was there anything else I was supposed to say?
I think you covered it all.
That was it with the house. No, I don't.
Jeremy, you got something to add?
I don't really have much to add. I just looked at this and I ran it. Comps a few different ways, larger parcel sales, and other things coming out around that $1 million range. And I'll give that to you to look at. What's something wrong with the property data, you know, for different sets of comps, for different ways here. I think coming out with a little rebellion there. Okay.
So we'll take... He said that all the way he put the comps and things, it comes out around $1 million. The whole property.
So we will take into consideration what you told us today. And comps that have been prepared over there. We look at your comps. The information that you have about things not being in very good shape in certain situations. And you will hear from us by July 1st.
Could I submit this other one? Yes, I have another property. This is 100.
Oh, no, no, no. I thought it was additional information.
Well, can I file it with you? Without a...
It's done on Tuesday. If we take something from you, we have to take, we have to allow that to come up. Under the law, it's a hard and fast deadline.
Because we said today was the grievance day.
It was grievance day, but when there's more than one grievance day.
This is a German. This means we couldn't get everybody in on the official day, and so this is carried. But save it. You can use it next to that.
Oh, I can save it. Okay.
And can I just ask this question after you decide whatever it is you decide, do we have other reports if we are still, what is that report?
I think it's all written down, but essentially it's going to small claims court.
No, there's mediation first, right?
No, small claims court.
Oh, yeah. Right. But that's not by court. It's an administrative proceeding, correct?
It is a hearing officer and you can do it by Zoom nowadays.
Right. So there's a little string of hearing. And then there's, after that, there's the, you should file into court.
No. There'll be a satisfaction with SCAR. I'm not sure what the next step is to be honest with you.
I know we just feel like those concepts are shared.
Our house is unbearable to those and our assessment is way higher. We just don't believe that that's accurate.
Take a look at what you gave us. Thank you. Thank you.
Thanks.
Okay, last one. Okay. Yes. Yeah. Yeah, in terms of causes. Yeah. Okay. Felice, say your last name for me.
Nguyen.
Nguyen. Nguyen. Okay. I hope you're not going to give us all of the paper.
I hope that you're not going to give us all of it. No, no. None of this is for you. Oh, okay.
I just saw you carrying that. I was getting very nervous.
We're now just killed. Okay. Okay, no, I'm going to work after this.
Okay, give us one second to get our stuff together. Okay, one second. 176.
Yeah, 176.
You go first. Okay, so you have two properties. Yes. You have 101 lower Whitfield. And you have lower Whitfield, which also comes up as 99 lower. Yes, some places. Okay, so why don't you start with that? Let me ask this first. Is a lot of the argument you're going to be making
similar for both of them or are they fairly separate they're slightly different yeah they're there's yeah given our friends that's right okay so then let's start with 101 woodfield and tell us about it oh sure and i just wanted to double check because i i brought to joanne yesterday afternoon some additional materials we do not have this we did yeah oh wait wait here it is
Oh, right. You have two pieces on one. So one, they would sort of put together one on one on one lower would feel good.
And then there are pictures and things. Right. So I didn't originally submit. So that should be the right one. Yeah, I do have that. Right. Right.
I didn't print it all out because you're driving on trees.
Yes.
Okay.
So let's start again.
So 76.
with the 101. Okay, so that is actually where I live, where it's a very old farmhouse that I renovated myself in 2016-17. So the main argument is that I didn't look actually at how the assessment was made, but just based on my general understanding of you know, what's been sold in Accord in the area that there are houses that have been renovated, like really renovated very nicely to reach a certain market with people with certain amount of money. And my house is just not of that category. And in fact, on my road, so it's like a really big difference in like the kind of houses that are on my road. And in that area, there's multi-million dollar houses really fancy places and there's, you know, mobile homes and I'm somewhere in the middle.
It's like all of Rochester, yes.
Yeah, so my basic argument is that I looked at comps just based on what I could find on Zillow of houses that I thought were close to mine. I also noted one error that there was a shed that was in the original assessment that I'm tearing down because it's not falling apart. I'm just taking things down as they become dangerous. So I listed basically three comps that I wanted to bring to your attention. The first is a house that was sold in late 2024. So it's a little maybe earlier, but for 185 was the same square footage. And also, in terms of desirability, my house is right on the road. And I think that makes a big difference in terms of desirability for, again, a certain market of a person that's looking for a house upstate. This house is similar. I couldn't see what it was like inside.
But just to give a sense of... Did you happen to look up to see on the write-ups on the house what the quality and condition were listed versus yours?
I couldn't. For some reason, that house didn't have that information. Like on Zillow. Yeah, but you don't look on Zillow. Oh, okay. You need to look on the parcel.
Oh, on the parcel. Oh, like where it would give, yes, it gives detailed information. It tells you whether it's, how it's classified. Right. I mean, I've seen, I've drawn by the fact that you haven't seen it. You didn't see any pictures of it. It's hard to tell then.
Yeah, I would assume it's probably not as nice as mine. But I've been driving by it for the last year. I never noticed there was a major renovation that happened. I never saw it. So you know the house itself? I know the house itself. It's right down the road from my house. And then the second one that I listed, 452 County Route 2, that I could see pictures. And I was like, yeah, the style of my house is similar to this old farmhouse that they have renovated. But they kind of went above and beyond, as I would imagine most people do before they put a house on the market. And that one sold for 385. And I did the calculations of taking the total assessment minus the land assessment, because it's a small parcel. and got what I thought the house assessment would be. And I feel like the fair comp would be that house.
That's the best comp.
I think that's the closest comp. What was the address again? 452 County Route 2.
And what did the calculation error of what it actually came out for the house? Yeah. Yes.
Sorry, so if you scroll, if I could look down, 308,800. The square footage is a little smaller, but it's a three bedroom, et cetera. And it was fully updated. All right. And then I found some other assessments, sorry, other comparables too. And one, Assessment. So I think like if my house were to be fully, you know, like I really spruced up and put on the market basically. So I added some of those. Okay. Those comps. And then this, this assessment that I, that I found that was like close to what my, you know, so I tried to look at, well, okay, this is what it was assessed at. What other houses were being assessed at that. And I found that there's the one on 70 Storey Road, which is right around the corner. But I mean, yeah, so to me, that's like, you know, a really, really fully restored, updated, brand new, everything. Yeah, like a big barn. Okay, so. And so the pictures that I submitted give you a sense of the condition of things. And yeah, and I included some other assessments outside, sorry, other comps outside of Accor. And that's the house. And then with the land, it also seemed high given that, so I have those two adjacent parcels. They're very, very similar. Right, but the one that we're talking about here is on four acres. Is only on four. So if the six acres is assessed at one to nine, it seems like the four acres should be assessed at a fraction of two-thirds.
The issue, though, is you're paying more for the first acre. So when you start to look at how it's valued, it's not like it's straight across the board. It's not like everything is at $10,000 an acre. So if you have it, it's the first... The first, actually, depending on where you are, the first tenth of an acre is in Ohio. And the next portion. So it's sort of a tiered level. Okay. So that's why once you get up into the next two acres, it's less valuable. Okay. So that's where you see. Right. Yeah.
I see that. And I think that's true. That's fantastic. Except that that lot, the house is very close to the ground. So if I were looking for a house, it seems like most people want things to be set a little back, a little bit back more.
So it'd be different for four acres and the house is back there. Hey, Jeremy, do you have anything to add?
Oh, sure. I think it's a 101 mode that feels rude. And we ran the comps so I could see more appropriate comps that are older than 1800s and coming out at 480. Six acre parcel with the little cottage on it. We ran the comps on that and that was coming out at 210.
That's a whole lot of non-lower wood canals.
Yes. Yeah, I believe so. But yeah, it's the SPL that ends in 10.130. Yeah.
So I don't know if you want to talk about, we really didn't get into Laura Whitfield. Did you have anything else that you wanted to add?
I'm sorry. I did have something more to say about 101, just because now I understand maybe more. Like if the comps were run on This house was built on this foundation 1800. I bought this house as a foreclosure that's been sitting there. Highest and best offer kind of thing. I have a feeling that most people who are buying... such an old house or doing like really fancy renovations to, I bought it too because it was very charming, but not with like a huge budget to then make it like this dazzling, you know, just time piece. Yeah. It was more that it was a foreclosure and that's what I could afford at the time and renovate things piecemeal. So I wonder if that partly is, That counts for the comp.
Well, no, because I mean, it's comparing it to the way it is now, not what it might be or what it could become. So the comps that you're looking at should be comparable in terms of the style, which I mean, sounds like you're trying to do. And I think Jeremy would be looking at the same thing. So the style, how many bedrooms, what kind of heating system. Yeah, what kind of heating it does. So all those things are part of it when you're looking at comps. So that is, yeah. What's the construction? What's the... So all those things are factored in. It's not just the size of the house. When you actually look at the comps, I mean, it goes down in fairly... fairly detailed amount, fairly detailed sections of what is what the comparables are if you look across.
If we were just looking at the homes that were sold recently is that how it's done right so homes that were sold recently in 2020 something okay that year and a half built in 1800 well it doesn't really look at that oh i mean that's one of the fact that that's one of the factors but yeah yes
There are also a lot of other things that go into that. I mean, we'll take a look at what Jeremy has.
Because if it were really old, then there may be a chance that most people buying that are then turning it into... I hear what you're saying.
It's the condition of the house, the quality of the trim, the condition, the patches. I mean, there's old renovated by the actress down the road. Yeah. Old renovated by. Right.
My cousin and my neighbor down the street. And yeah. So that's, that's.
Did you write anything on your. I have one 77. Oh, you have one 77. Sorry. Okay.
So. How do you use this?
So I largely use it as an Airbnb.
Okay, that's what I thought. It's a tiny house.
Yeah, it's a tiny house. It was a garage. It was literally a garage that I added construction and boring little by little. And over three years.
And the square footage is...
So yes, the square footage is the actual garage itself. I still call it a garage. It's 270 square feet. Okay. And I did all those measurements myself because, you know, to make sure everything would fit. I wonder, so, and then outside I put in some posts and like a plastic, you know, things. Yeah. So unless that was included, but I mean, it's very, I mean, there's not even, I didn't even, I just laid some gravel on the, on the floor there and the front. And how old, let's see, is this one 30?
I'm 30. And We did it in 2020. When was it first built?
Oh, yeah.
I have no idea.
Everybody that looked at it, it's a metal. Everyone that's looked at it was like. It's a metal garage. It's a metal garage. They were like, we can't remember the last time we've seen something like this. And what's the foundation? It's a concrete slab. Okay.
I don't know if that was the assessment. I looked it up and it sounded like it was a doc.
Jeremy, any idea what DK3 doc permanent is? Any idea what a DK3 doc permanent is? Where is that at?
It's on 177. Oh, it's listed as an improvement.
I'm not sure what that one is.
No, I didn't see it on that. I don't know if I printed those. Anyway, yeah, it's not any of the structure poems, that's for sure. It appears on Gar's printout. I don't know what it says.
Oh, how much it's given to.
I mean, there's nothing that says what. Well, they don't get a replacement value. All right. And then it's on 6.1 acres. Is there anything particular about the land, the 6.1 acres?
Itself? I mean, in front? it's um I think it I didn't look technically but I'm pretty sure it's classified as wetland I mean it just is gets full of water and again that would have to be something that was actually on the map that's been classified yeah like you can't it's like this much water with all of peepers you know
In one area or?
So just in the front. And then it rises up. That's where the garage sits. And yeah. And then there's some more area that could be buildable, actually. So that little garage doesn't have a septic. It doesn't. It's not a cottage, I don't think. And then, so there is a buildable behind there, right behind the garage. I think there used to be a big barn up there.
Oh, yeah. I was going to ask you about that. There was a horse barn. Three, one, two, three. A three-day horse barn. Is that still there? There's a, you wouldn't call it a barn, no? Yeah, it's got a horse in front of it. Oh, yeah. 2009? Oh, yeah.
No, no, no. So this must have, yeah, this was there. It was never there. Yeah. Okay. I love that photo.
Is this? So this is the, is that the garage?
Yeah, that's the garage. That's what it was before we changed it. That's your shed? Yeah. I'm sorry. This next to this.
This one.
This one. Yeah, that's the garage. That's the garage that was that's turned into the house. So wait a minute.
So this is your house.
This is my house. That's it. And then I turned that into a studio to into the Airbnb. I took that garage and turned it. All right.
Yes. Yeah. This is on the other property.
Right. They changed the address, too, if that helps. So it used to be that my house was 19. The whole thing was 99. And then at some point, they changed.
So this is college. All right. Yeah. So that's very important information. And we've already heard from you, Jeremy. And do you have anything else you'd like to add? We've looked at everything. We've now gone over the pictures.
Great. I think that's it.
All right. Well, thank you very much. We appreciate your coming in and explaining the pictures. I thought you had a horse. I was really excited. Oh, I know.
It happened from 2009 up to now. I can't believe that whole barn is gone. No remnant of it at all.
It might have been a modular and they just brought it in and took it out.
That's totally what, I mean, if my house was foreclosed on, that's what I would do. All the faucets were gone. But you got to go. Yeah. Okay.
Thank you. Okay. We just missed our break. Let's take a quick break. We have to take a quick break. Yes. We will be sick. Right. Okay, we're going to ask you just to wait a little bit longer.
So you provided the additional information? Yes, ma'am. And you gave it to Jillian?
I did. I didn't know if you wanted me to.
No, we are.
I know you guys need to take it.
And we are, well, yeah, till the end of the day, so.
So if you need me to come in and convert it into a million, I copy it every week. the presentation.
I have the presentation.
Okay. And I got the agreements. All that. So can I hand this to you?
You can hand it to me. I'm so happy to take it.
Thank you. And I highlighted everything and put the, just the, so it goes.
You are so wonderful.
It was very difficult to actually get a printout from the parcel viewer.
I know, I try.
Because when I click print, it automatically brings me.
Did you get the numbers? That's all I got when I clicked it.
It brought me to the original page.
Oh, really?
Of the document. So you, I actually took that with my phone. Of the parcel viewer. I sent it. So there you go.
Thank you.
You're very welcome. Thank you for your time, guys.
Happy to be here.
Yes.
Joanne, do you need these to put them to scan them up? That's a question for... Okay.
I'm going to... Well, when you launch... Yeah, yeah.
I appreciate you guys.
We appreciate your handiwork.
Yes. Thank you.
All right. Just one. Like a baby. Oh, yeah.
She was on the door. I had trouble with my clerks. I went through a couple of clerks. One found a job and another one quit. She said, she was in the public running. She just Much is through all the quirks, things through all the quirks, to me, I wonder though, some of them do not. You belong with me.
Okay. Okay.
All right, thank you. Okay, I'm still open. It's just not from... I'm sorry, what are you saying? I'm getting hunched over. I know, me too. You don't realize that you see it in pictures. I'm going to be an old lady. Well... No, it's only from these... Okay. Not shoving food down my throat, I'm just saying. Any other signs that bring... Hmm...
Look, I'm sorry. Why? Yeah.
Oh, okay.
30 points. Okay. Okay.
Oh, I forgot.
Does anybody have Tylenol? No. Well, he has to shut up. Okay. So this is acceptable. Morning. All right now, you never saw this. Oh, I'm so sorry. Thank you. Thank you.
Your needs to get changed. This is going to be going here on June 1 Whoever is inside of in charge of putting signs on the front door. Okay, just to let you know, I sent you a message, but it may not be too understandable. When we scanned the clip, when we scanned the stuff in, a lot of the initial ones, Ron did them as single pages, but then he didn't have the attachment with it. So we went through those that are as singles, found the ones that had attachments. scan those again. And so they're in a package that now has the numbers through it that says with attachments.
It's not clear.
It's not clear standards. They will all, they all have attachments. Right. They all get taken apart.
So you go to, that's what I'm looking at. Right. By the submissions. No, it's not submissions. Great bus grievances. And then I have. And you should be another folder. Assessor notes. That's it. I have another. No, that's it. Okay. You want me to show you. So what happened? I see. I mean. Okay, here's something he says their notes.
Okay. So originally, these were all done in singles. So the 15th one, he says, right, right. And then we have two things, which is this, that. Yes, I was saying, so these were done as individuals. Then we realized some of these had thought was just doing the frontal age and not the attachment. So then those that were like that. Oh.
Often the comps were in the attachment, right? Yeah. Yeah.
So then there was another one here that we ran them off again with the attachments. It says G5 to G36 extra info.
Okay.
So what I would do is go into that one first and pull it. And then if something's missing, then you go up to like G3 because that's just a cover page. Okay.
I'm sorry, I don't call you.
Go.
I'm saying I'm going to come on.
Thank you.
I assume.
Amazing how many of these you're reading. Yeah, yeah.
And in fact, we had one of our fields re-examined, and it's now 11.
Yeah. We actually had our designation change survey. That's a good question. The foundation is, do we need to ? Yeah.
It's either that, or do we need a sump pump? We go with the French bridge. I think that's what we have around our house.
Where our house is, we're sort of up on a hill. But then down when we get into the other areas and you hit where the water is, you can't even walk through it.
I'm just reading my mind. Oh, right, right.
It's...
There's trawlers everywhere. There's trawlers everywhere. There's no school bus.
Oh, yeah, I know.
I love the guy. And I would never use that as a reason to reduce the battery. I'm sure it does. But I have to say, by the way, I love disaster area. Right. Third of my profitable screen appeal. Across the other side of the screen, I can't get to it. There's no way you could ever. All right. I mentioned that. It will get me very far.
So we'll do that.
Almost ready? Mm-hmm.
Feeling good.
Thank you. Just a little mushroom. Is that cucumber? Roasted mushroom? Oh, no, family. Mm-hmm. Let me just finish it. I'm not up, am I? No.
Ready to do it. Ready to go? Are you ready to finish eating?
Yeah.
Okay. Okay, let's start again. And Ms. Wyatt, come on up. And we'll swear you in.
So I'll only affirm or swear against the information you're about to give will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your ability. Yes, I do. Okay.
Okay, so we have your information, but it's always useful if you go ahead and tell us your story.
Absolutely. So my husband and I, from the area, almost our entire lives, both graduated from Rana Valley High School. His parents graduated from Rana Valley High School.
That gets you nothing. Go ahead.
So we both moved out of the area for a little bit. My husband's ex-military. I was married to a different man who was in the military service. So we both moved. left, right? When we got together, we decided we wanted to come back home. So when we were looking, we figured out what we were able to afford, what our purchasing options were. So after looking all over, we decided that we wanted to do this area because taxes we could afford. There was a house that was $250,000 when we purchased it three years ago because we could afford that. He works full time. I work full time. Not a sob story. I have two children. So it's not like we're not trying to, you know, add to the community or what have you. It's not like, you know, we come up here not working, not paying taxes, not trying to bring the next generation. So having the assessment that we've received this past year almost doubled our property value. That's not something that... within three years I see is feasible only because we added a roof to our house and that was it. We don't have any other additional things. It's reclassified us from a single family home or single family residence to a multifamily residence. So it's just a lot of it doesn't make any sense in my eyes as to why it would double within three years. or more than double within three years. Because I think the assessment that we had when we purchased the home was $260,000. No, it's the assessment though, not the market value, correct?
Correct. So, but then tell us a little, I mean, I hear you. Yes, of course. But most of that, we can't but it influences us. So how you got here, what has happened to your taxes, we can't look at any of that. What we have to understand is what your house is like and why the land that you were on, problems with the land, problems with the property that you feel may not have been taken into account when they did the assessment. And I think you tried to go into that a little bit.
A little bit. So how... I don't understand how if we've done nothing to better the value. And I understand like, you know, you're looking at the comparatives to the properties around you and what you have to offer. We don't, you know, have, it's not like we did any, you put a roof on, it's not like we redid any kind of a siding. The inside of the home, it's not like we did any kind of major improvements. We haven't, you know, done anything in that aspect of modifying and improving home it's not like we're we purchased a home to improve it's a 1987 the boiler is still from 1987 so it's not like we did anything to try to flip the home to increase the you know the value of the home in that aspect it's We moved in, painted a couple walls, and put a roof on because we had to. So I just, you know.
Okay, but you're not giving us anything to work with. There's a number of homes that have done the same thing, where they've doubled in value, not, you know, from the market value to what the assessed value is. So then your requirement is to come to us and say, okay, well, here's other houses that are similar to mine. similar circumstances, this type of house, and I'm looking at other ones, and this is what they sold for, the market has gone up. So it's not necessarily that anything has happened with your house in particular, just that the market has gone up overall. So what we have to look at is, so were you unfairly assessed if you look at another house that's similar to yours was that were there houses that were sold that were much below that that are exactly similar gotcha right um i do have a question with that how is it that i can be reclassified and rezoned with this assessment
If nobody came out to look at the property.
I can't answer that question. Ask the assessor. Jeremy, do you have any input into that?
I'm not sure what she's talking about.
What were you classified as before? I purchased it as a single family resident and now I'm being reclassified as Multi.
Multiple residents or something there because it's a single family house and a mobile home on the property, correct?
So when I purchased it, it was listed as an asset on the property. It wasn't listed as multiple dwellings. And then I purchased it on a trailer. It's not plugged into anything. It's on wheels. It's like a car. Okay. cabin on one that we use for storage so I don't know if it's because it has a roof that I was classified as a multifamily but there's one dwelling that is lived in the other dwelling it was classified when I purchased the home as a asset not a home and then the other ones just wheels on land
Again, if there's a house and a mobile home, there's two residents on the property.
Let me just ask a different question. Would that end up influencing how you were assessed?
She has a mobile home 66 by 14. And that is not the one that's wheels on the ground. That's a separate entity.
You don't have two
There are two mobile homes on your? So it's. Right. There's only one that's listed here.
Yes. Yes. The other one, it's like I said, it's just wheels on the ground. It was a cabin on the campground. We purchased it. There's nothing plugged into it.
Right. It's not. And it wasn't taken into account. Okay. Gotcha. It's only the mobile home. Is that occupied?
No. It's not even a floor in there.
There's no floor in the mobile home?
No. Like there's a, like the base floor, but there's no like flooring, anything like that in there. Nobody lives in it.
Okay, but my question before was if, Jeremy? Yes. If it's considered, if it's classified as a multiple residence versus a single family, would that make any difference in terms of how it was assessed? I mean, I understand, yes, you will now assess two homes that are there. Correct. But other than that, is there anything that would be different?
Yeah, same family house with the new improvement, additional improvement of a mobile home on the property. Okay.
Okay, so then the question really is how that additional building or additional mobile home is being classified.
I'd say it's a 93 with zero updates.
Okay. So the quit, it seems to me that's, that's the issue. At least one of the, one of the issues in there is what is, you know, what, what is that? How much is that being valued at? Is it habitable?
Right now? Currently? No. Like I said, it's down to the subfloors. There's,
And it's still on wheels or not on wheels? It's still on wheels. Still on wheels. Yes. So it's like somebody came to visit you with their mobile home that was not in good condition and it's parked there.
Pretty much.
Both of the... And it's not connected to anything.
I believe that it is connected to water and electric. Okay. The one that I purchased... prior to buying the home or after buying the home, that one is not connected to anything. But the one that's in question on the assessment is tied.
Okay. Then I'm confused. There's the house you live in.
Yes.
Okay. Now what else is there?
So there's a house that I live in, right? There's a house that was our, the trailer that was on the property when I purchased it.
But it's there now. Okay. Yes. The one you live in, there's another trailer that is there.
That was there when we purchased it.
Okay. Yes.
And then there's, it's what was a cabin at a campground.
Which one of those three is on wheels?
The two of them are on wheels. The trailer and the cabin.
Okay. So you have one house, one cabin on wheels, and another mobile home on wheels. Correct. Okay.
And the property came with the mobile. Correct. And the cabin on wheels is the one that you use for storage. Correct. Okay. So it's probably...
Okay. But you have nothing that would show us similar properties to yours and what they have been sold?
Not other than what's on the assessment that we had where it shows the comparables.
Okay. And that was where you came at at $200,000? The $260,000.
$260,000. Yes.
$260,000. Right. And that was done back in? 2022. 2022. And how many... of the buildings that we're talking about now were on the property.
It was the home that I live in.
Right.
And then the single wide.
Okay.
That was there when I purchased it. Okay.
And no cabin.
No cabin.
Okay.
Okay. Jeremy, do you have anything you want to add?
I did take a look at this one. She contacted me maybe a month or so ago. I re-ran everything and was coming up with a reduction to 460.
Do you have any comments to make about the um built about structures being on wheels and whether they are considered um yes yes something to say mobile homes and wheels
I don't have the exact wording in my head, but something, if it sits in the property longer than 60 days, it can basically be assessed as real property. Okay.
With that, I do have a question. If it's not tied into anything, essentially it's a tow-behind trailer, because if there's no electric, there's no water, just for my own personal knowledge, would that rule still exist? apply so it sounds like that one we have just as a shed or something like that there that one because i think we only just have the one moment with the apple gotcha okay that's just curious about how that would play into it because i understand things change times change you know cost of living goes up but just for my general understanding if i purchased it as an asset, not as a home, how does the assessment change that?
You know what I'm saying? For assessing purposes, things are different than what you're thinking. Gotcha.
Because it was explained when we purchased the home that it's considered an asset as if it was no different than a shed because it is on wheels. It has electricity to it, it has plumbing to it, but it's considered an asset, not in a multiple family home. because that was something that we talked about during our application with the mortgage was it's a mortgage for a single family dwelling. So it was listed as an asset through the town that it's no different than a shed because it has the wheels and what have you. So how is it now that being assessed, it would change my listing?
Is this the first time you've been assessed as a multiple residence?
Yes. Well, it could be something also was never looked at before.
Gotcha.
Yeah. Because, I mean, with all the places that are around, this is really the first time in a long time where actual properties are being looked at and seeing what's there and seeing what the circumstances are.
Gotcha. Gotcha.
Okay.
Jeremy, do you want to answer any questions?
The one kind of house and the one kind of home. That's why it's multiple residents there. So there's more than one living structure in the property. That's why it's a 280 or 281, multiple residents.
281. Okay. All right. We will take a look. I'm sorry. Did you want to add anything else? No, that's all. Okay. So we will take a look at what we have here and what Jeremy has added, and we will get something back to you by July 1st.
Thank you very much. I appreciate it very much. You guys have a great day. Thank you. Okay.
Okay, Sarah's still here? I have a Sarah and a Daniel. I'm assuming you're the Sarah. I'm the Sarah. Okay. Okay, we'll need to serve you for your vacations, by the way. No problem. We need to get that salad to happen. We all need a subject for injection.
Do you solemnly affirm, Mr. Gray, that the information you're about to give will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your ability to do so?
I swear. So have your information in front of me, but why don't you give us a rundown of what you're looking for. You don't need to explain everything that's in the files because we have looked at the files.
Yeah, just in general, yeah, there's great confusion over the process. one to get information on your property, on your process, and what the process is to challenge it. So I've been going back and forth and trying to figure this all out.
It's something that normally we don't delve into, and then all of a sudden you're into a new process, and it creates a steep learning curve.
Yeah. And looking back, looking at learning about this new assessment and looking back, and I know there's no change to previous years and previous taxes and everything else, but there have been errors on my property card and on my land influence codes. But I didn't notice and didn't know how to interpret that. You know, so we started with a 200% influence percentage on my land in prior years based on views and location. And it's seemingly arbitrarily changed without... Well, a 200 influence would be positive. It means it's valued higher. Right. And now it's down to 60%.
Well, it's a 40% discount on 20 native behaviors because of... So it's lowering your assessment. Right.
Right. So it started off right. March, it was 200%. I found a lot of errors on my property card. I submitted them to GAR. GAR came back with a reduction on my improvements. but not my land value. It was still valued at the 200%. So the May 1st rolls have a reduction in the total, but not a reduction in the land. So the land is still based on the 200%.
655.
Right.
And then if you rerun it with the new ones closed, you take 40% off of the 20 million acres. Right.
Right. So I'm asking my land value to be reduced and have that reduction be reflected in the total assessment.
Okay. You want your land value reduced to?
I don't know what I mean. If it's in here, I have it. It's in there. Yeah.
Both the land and the whole total amount split out separately.
So on your assessment, it is. It says land and then it has total.
The same thing you are. Right. Split out as well. Right.
Okay. Right.
Right. So in addition, after I submitted some changes to Gar, after reading the New York State Assessor's Manual, I found additional errors on my property card. The whole thing? I searched through some stuff, but I read a lot of it. I read a lot about the process. I read about the stuff that pertained to my type of property. Right. Yes.
Okay.
Not the whole, but just two. Yes.
So I found additional errors. Okay. So let's go through.
Yeah. So my house, according to the assessor's manual is not a one and a half story house. Okay. It's a one story house because the one and a half story is defined as the knee walls have to be four feet at the, Eves and mine goes all the way down to the Eves. We do have like a two foot new wall. So it's not going right into the corner, but that's at the, you know, the edge of the room. So the square footage should be reduced as it should be calculated on usable living area 3067 so right right and there is and it's considering it's not a half story but it's a room above an unheated garage and then part of it is not above the garage but it's the stair landing in an open loft and so on the details I again not an assessor trying to figure this out I put that square footage under finished attic space And then the other square footage that was above the garage and the unfinished or the finished. Oh my God. I lost my job recently. So I've had all this time.
And you're looking for a new job.
She's halfway there. Right. And so there's also an enclosed porch listed on my improvements and I do not have an enclosed porch that wasn't on last year's. card but it appeared on this year's card and then just in general I have an objection to the change in the neighborhood and I don't think this is your responsibility at all here but yeah it just seems arbitrary and there's I don't and I've spoken with Jeremy about it and I just still don't understand the logic 404 is 404 Right.
I'm not sure the land values change that much, though.
20%. If I stayed in neighborhood 4 compared to being in neighborhood 1, neighborhood 1 is 20% higher than it would have been if I was in neighborhood 4. Across all of the tiers? Across... Yeah, so the calculation, because I know how to calculate land value based on the tables.
I know, but I actually looked at the land tables and I thought at least for the first five acres... similar.
It might be, but it's, but I have 33 acres. So I have five, five primary and 28 residuals. So I, you know, the calculate, I could recheck my numbers, but the calculation I did was with the same influence code. If I was in neighborhood four versus being in neighborhood one, neighborhood one, for these current land tables is 20% higher.
So it's just... Have you given us this all written down?
All of it's in here, yeah. Everything I've said is in here with pictures of the roofline, picture of the room, picture of the landing.
I couldn't figure that one out until I realized I'm moving down the stairs.
Yeah, so I wanted to show the stairs come up, there's a landing, and then there's a small loft over the, but that's not above the garage, so that's why I separated it out to be more accurate.
Do you mind if, given where we are in time, if she just adds things that may not be in that living room?
I think everything is there. There's a lot there.
What would you take into account all of the errors. And I'm sure you've done this, you've separated the land assessed value from the total and come up with a assessed value for the house. What would you have the house now that the house portion?
I have to calculate. I don't know if I did the house portion.
Okay, just take out the land.
It would have been 579. Take out the land. Okay. What is it that you're looking for the house?
Yeah, I didn't. I looked at the land and then the total. I think I reduced it. Right. I reduced it. I reduced the improved based on the reduction to the square footage. Okay. And I'm not sure if I have the details.
Did you only come up with a total figure?
I did the land and then the total. And I think it was like the reduction in square footage was a 5% reduction based on calculating it by usable
Right. So 5.79 would be reduced by 5%. The rest would go to changes in the volume.
Right. And I left the land at 4.48, which is what Jeremy had calculated based on the influence codes and everything else.
Yeah, that's what I have. What I didn't have is the 5%. Yeah, it's hidden in all the Doffy, that's here. Well, thank you very much. Jeremy, do you have anything you'd like to add?
So this one, this is 3,200 square foot, give or take, new construction, every house in 33 acres, a piece of Shwagung Ridge. I made an adjustment to the land due to the product being in wetness about a month or two ago. Paid an offer of $105.45 to the property owner, which he did not accept. He went through guard guard did end up lowering it to the 1,000,214 would have been based off the adjusted land value of the 448 but a type of rattle error was occurred in the land bag was not updated to the 448. Okay, so what.
So yeah we read that the guard guard had the original land value and the original property card the 200%.
Right. So what are you coming out as on the current total assessed value?
I was coming up with $1,545,000 last year. That also wasn't with...
Wait, wait. $1,545,000. It's currently $1,214,000. Right.
I was coming out $1,545,000. I don't necessarily agree with what the reduction guard did. It was at $1,587,000 last year. Let's put a partial assessment on 63% complete.
Okay. All right. We've heard from the assessor. Okay. Thank you. You will hear from us by July 1st. We'll take into account what you pulled together and what the assessor has to say and then come up with a solution.
Great. I'd just like to say that he's calculating based on the original property card without the reductions that should be made.
I thought he said he did. Oh.
The land, but he's still saying that the house is 3,200 square feet where it's not, where it's been classified differently. So, and incorrectly. And there's no enclosed porch and there's no, like, so. Okay.
Yeah, I have.
The hands that I came up with my calculation that was submitted to the building department was given to me to come up with this word. Okay.
Okay. You have that in all you'll pass on to us.
Yes.
Okay. Thank you. Okay. Next. Are you Mr. Linville or Mr. Tyner? Yeah, I'm Mr. Linville. Linville. Okay. All right, come on up and we will swear you in first.
Okay. Do you solemnly affirm or swear that the information you're about to give will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your ability to do so? I do.
Okay, so you have two properties that you're coming forth with.
Yes, that's right.
87 Maple Lane. Another one I just know that we have here is Maple Lane. Does that have a number?
It does not. It's just a vacant land plot that we bought two years ago.
All right, so why don't you... If you want to take a lead on the... House.
You're asking for $300,000 on the house? Yes. Okay. Why don't you tell us why it should be $574,000? Yes. Okay. So why do you think it's $300,000?
Yeah, I have about three or four talking points for this one. So we purchased the home exactly 10 years ago for $161,000, and the new assessed value is $574,000, so up about $400,000 in 10 years. And then I used for the basis of that 300,000 I use the towns list of recent sales. And then I filtered it for properties that I felt were similar in terms of age style size numbers of bedrooms baths so, then I just filtered it down and I found 10 properties that I felt were comparable. The average of those. let's see came to. About 301,000 dollars and the median price of those 10 that I demonstrated there was about 289,000. so I kind of. Went with 300,000 is provide that for that.
Yes, I have another time giving it to us already.
Yes, that was part of the grievance that I passed. That's that's here.
I don't want you to save the best. I probably wanted to go with. I'm sorry, the one that's most comfortable.
Oh, yeah. So it looks like the one that was most comfortable, which at the bottom, it's 32 Dector Drive. That's there. Yes. So that's a house that is literally a couple of streets over. It's the one that's sort of closest to us in proximity, but also closest in terms of, you know, it's a one story ranch with the same number of square footage and bedroom bath and condition built around the same time. So that one was a little higher than the average, but I included it there as what I felt was a little more similar to our home.
How about the acreage? Is that more or less?
Actually, the information that we had from the town didn't list acreage. It was probably similar. My property is 1.95 acres. This one...
Do you know this house at all?
I do. Yeah.
Okay. So, but I mean, so the acreage is similar. It's not talking like they had 30 acres.
Yeah. The acreage might be a little less on this one to be fair.
It's not like they have a whole thing.
No, I'm taking it. It's probably like a one or a little over one and I'm at 1.95. Okay.
So you're, they're a whole part.
Yeah. Okay. Oh, and sorry, one last point is just, and I'm not sure I filed something when I spoke with one of the town board members, but there was a mistake on the survey that we thought in terms of the garage having an apartment over it. It does not. It's just a simple two-car garage. That's pretty much what I wanted to present for this.
And we have all of those Oh, that's information.
Yes.
We didn't all print it out because we're killing a lot of trees. So we're starting to look at each one. We're starting to try to look online at what you submitted. So as long as you have that there.
Okay. 32 vectors have 1.10 fingers. Okay. And fortunes and petitions.
Okay, then the other portion that you wanted to talk about was your vacant land. Yes. I'm sorry, Jeremy, did you want to say anything on this one?
This one, I think the look in the comp that was selected, I re-ran them, selected what I think were some more appropriate ones. I am now coming up with 490. I'm not mistaken, you referred a portion of the garage to studio space or something the year or two ago?
Oh, there was like an old woodshed that was on the back of the garage, sort of a hand-built one, and it was not a safe structure. So we tore it down, and we just had a professional carpenter put in, kind of recreate it. So that's what we got out of it. permission from the town to do that.
So we just have a 760 square foot garage there? Yes, that's up here.
And no studio anywhere?
No, no, no sheds or studios.
All right, so go ahead on the land now.
Okay, so the story with the land, we purchased this from our neighbor who has about 75 acres. There's this one little bit of three, a little over three acres that sort of juts out um toward high meadow it it really looks like it should be part of high meadow um but there's no access to that road uh so it's kind of like a little you know like a landlocked um little parcel um they weren't able they were trying to sell it to someone to build a house um but they weren't able to get access to high meadow um um you know with the current neighbour who had a yard there. He didn't want to sell access to that property. The only other access, there's a right-of-way technically from the end of Maple Lane. Our house is the very last house on the lane, dead end. And so technically there's a right-of-way if someone wanted to cut down a giant black walnut and go through someone's yard and then cut a path through a forest to get to that property. Actually, I have a picture. My health. So this is our house. This is the lot that got cut off from like 75 acres over here.
And this is what you're talking about here?
Yes, exactly. And this is where logically, like if someone built a house here, they would access it from High Meadow, but there's no access there. So that's kind of what made the land.
So what was this property?
That's owned by this house and they own all the way over to like there.
Okay. So they would have to grant them access. Right.
And the previous owners were negotiating with them and they just refused because they didn't want a house built here. Yeah. Okay. So in addition.
So your house is where?
My house is right here. Yeah. On this side. So the only way to get here would be to kind of. cut through this forested area to build a road. And we didn't want that to happen. We just wanted to kind of conserve the space and not have... I'm sorry, how far up does your property get? So our property goes to about here.
Does it touch that?
Yeah, it touches that, barely.
For whatever defensive purpose, sort of.
Yeah, so we just... Yeah, we didn't want building... happening there and if we were to go through our yard and you have a dog and all this it was just like that was our primary purpose um and then when we agreed to the sale um they sold it to us within a conservation easement um they used to have an agricultural designated I guess they still do have an agricultural designation on that their property We were a little misrepresented to us when they sold it to us that we would inherit that exemption. I understood from my conversation with Mr. Rocca that that's not how that works. That we would have to kind of apply for our own exemption, agriculture exemption, based on our use of the property and since it's only three acres and we're not farming it or using it for some income purposes we really don't qualify for like an agricultural um well it was part of our part of our title so um it was a yeah it was a note in I just outlined it there, but it says that we can only use the property for agricultural purposes. We can't. Build any structure for residential purposes ever. Until such time that our neighbors who sold it to us, if they move, we got that restriction that it would be. Lifted, but they're there for a long time terminating. Substitution continues as long as the property is... Yeah, as long as they or one of their children or something holds on to the property, then this is kind of a forever easement on the property. And then our use of the property right now... Just to make sure.
So essentially what it says is you can't do anything with this. You can't build on it. You can use it for your own personal purpose.
If there's an agricultural purpose. We could put a barn.
The removal of any existing trees from the property which have a diameter of five inches or greater except for those trees. So it's got anti-timbering. It's got an agricultural restriction.
Okay.
I took a picture of one. Okay. All right.
So we purchased the property from them for 75,000, mostly to just protect it. We kind of felt that was a little overvalued. They originally just had 75,000 no conditions. We said, great. And then they came back with this easement. And we said, well, it's that makes it less valuable. You know, we can't sell it or build on it or whatever, but we just went ahead and agreed to pay the 75. So that's why we felt like, even though we paid 75, that that was probably a little overvalued given the easement. Um, So what else I wanted to mention on this? Oh, and so like the current use, we've sort of created kind of a little park for our neighborhood. I maintain a path around the perimeter of the land. We put in a couple of park benches and some wildflower beds and bird houses. And we have about 12 of our neighbors, 12 households that use it for dog walking, skiing. It's actually, it's been in the neighborhood as vacant property for a long time. So people were already... Using it kind of that way. So we thought, you know, our only objective is to kind of keep it as sort of open space and for the enjoyment of not only us, but our neighbors as well. And so we're open to also the board member I met with, Michael Coleman, mentioned the Rondados Opus Land Conservancy. So we're going to follow up with them to kind of talk about the process of getting more of a. know a designation of it as a conservation space um so it's like one thing that we're pursuing but that's kind of our intention with the land let's just kind of leave it open for the enjoyment of our neighbors and ourselves okay jeremy you have anything in the light of the new information there say it sounds more like a residual type of lot than you know available one apparently in this current state
And, okay, there's only at 111.
Yes. And it's 005, no, it's 03, I should say.
Okay, so we will get back to you by July 1st. Okay. If there's something in writing on both of the copies.
Okay, great, thank you so much. Thank you. Can I leave a copy of just my outline of- Sure, great, great, great.
Thank you so much. Thank you.
wildlife is a nice thing.
All right. Okay, I don't have a name for this one.
It's a condominium.
Right, but for the name I have Zolota Austin Rope.
No, no, no.
It's... Yeah. You didn't have that, of course, because I see. You had the wrong unit number. It's...
We file two applications because we pay taxes separately. I'm sorry.
Why don't you come on up? Come on up. Come on up. Let's swear you in first.
We need to swear you in first. Oh, sure.
Oh, thank you, Kristen. So nice.
Do you solemnly affirm or swear that the information you are about to pay will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your ability to do so?
Yes, I do.
Absolutely.
All right. So I see that in the materials that you provided us with, you have something from the Contributing League.
Yes.
OK. And just to clarify, because I think there was some confusion over the, so we're talking about Let me make sure I have it. It's unit 25, correct?
My unit is 25, but we got it. Okay.
Right. And the one that you were talking about being renovated and everything was unit 26. Yes.
Yeah. Okay.
Okay. Why don't you... I'll just write that down, and you will come. Okay, so you want to just... Do you have any additional information, first of all, beyond what...
I have the same information which I provided.
So then why don't we run through what you are basing your advice on.
First of all, the town of Rochester has inventory data error. So first of all, it's classification error. The town database lists this property as standard, detached, arranged style, single family residence. This is not. This is condominium unit sharing mirroring duplex. And It's not single-family. Secondary, bedroom inventory error. Town records listed this as three-bedroom apartment or home. Physically, it's two-bedroom, and I attach it all.
Right, you saw the plans.
The plans, yeah. Second, and the third one, square footage inventory error. Town of Rochester. credit this property with 1,280 square feet. The actual inventory is 1,180 square feet. And I attached it to the document as well.
Yes.
Okay, next one. Baseline market evidence. The mirror rent unit was sold in March 2024 for $160,000. I have a budget deal. That was a foreclosure.
Foreclosure. This was
advertised.
25 participants.
Exactly, yeah. Even after that, that unit was completely demolished and rebuilt and physically extended. So it means the original unit, like mine and everybody else, the $160,000 purchase price, it's remains the only market benchmark for this type of units. So in conclusion, we are asking to reduce assessed value from $234,000 to $160,000. Okay. And that's based on the one foreclosure sale? Yep.
So I understand. So it was a foreclosure sale of $160,000, but then it had to be completely redone?
Exactly. And on top of that, they do not possess salt.
This is where it goes. It's a condimenting. They have to come in separate. We have the whole thing. That's me.
We don't have anything. We don't have it. It's not sufficient. Submission is individual.
We submitted to I personal submitted application and condominium submitted application as well.
Yeah.
And I am.
Could we ask Jeremy to talk about the issue here with the submission?
Yes. So individual unit owners engrave their assessments, but They are required to prove the value of the condominium complex as a whole and then allocate the value to their individual units to support a reduction. If the Board of Managers wants to file a grievance on behalf of all the unit owners, they must have a written authorization from each unit owner file.
They do have the authorization. You saw the additional submission.
And the complex is valued on an income approach value.
Okay.
And that isn't a sales comparison from share. You've got to attach them to arms like sales in the past couple of years. And then 190, the other is that 499. That was the one that was completely vetted. Yeah, it was completely vetted.
No, no, no. The 499 is the 160. Yeah. But what he's saying is that because it's a condominium unit, the approach to evaluation is very different. Yes, you can provide the individual grievance, but it has to be in the context of the value of the entire condominium and then your portion of that value. And we don't have that information about the complete condominium.
I understand, but... $234,000, no unit was sold for that price at all.
Well, the unit 26 just sold for $499,000.
Right. I know that. That unit was completely rebuilt. Oh, yeah. And it has all the latest technology in the heating system, pump heats, heated floors, everything. Everything, it was revealed, and we cannot count this heating.
Right, I know. It was definitely different from all the other units.
Yeah.
It still has to, in terms of the way you can approach the maintenance.
But we pay taxes separately. We're not paying taxes by condominium.
That matter?
Again, because they do pay visually, they do have the right file.
OK, but it has to be within the context.
And FYI, market values on all of them last year were, most of them in there were 237, 736, and went down to 234 this year.
Right, last year. So it's actually, it's gone down. You've got the total valuation of your property from last year.
I don't understand that.
Sorry, but it seems like the bottom line is the way that you are applying for this is not legal. It is not.
It does not meet the requirements for.
Okay.
So next year, work with the condominium.
We file application on behalf of condominium as well. We have that application. You should have that application. You should have it. We filed that application.
Is it a different number or?
I filed personally, and I didn't tell that condominium have the file separate.
I am, I have. This is 168. Yeah. And this is an individual file. Yeah. I mean, it said that that's what was confusing because it says the owner is the condominium with, I think your name after it. Um, But it really is not an application from a condominium.
It's just one added list of all the units. Right. Right.
But all that was doing was showing that these are the ones that are in the condominium.
So, yeah, I wasn't sure.
It wasn't evaluated.
And it was, I looked at it as an authorization for him to, you know, file, but without the requisite information.
Yeah, I guess. Join and show me that real quick. And I think that's up to the bar to confirm what this is. Yeah.
There's no way that I could see there's anything here from the condominium.
There's something that indicates these are all the buildings in the condominium. What we're going to do is we are going to look at the submission very carefully. We're going to get from the assessor the requirements for filing as a condominium. And then based on our review of both of those pieces of information, we'll figure out if it can go forward. If it can go forward, then we will consider your comp and your request.
I understand, but it's kind of not fair. We file application, every one file application is gone. We went to assessor office, and now we're getting all this additional information. It's not fair. I mentioned before when we went to your office.
Uh, the meeting, whoever came to my office, I mentioned that the whole complex would have to be created in my office that day.
Okay, but there's always next time.
Let us see. We're not here to make a decision right now.
I understand.
We're here to gather the relevant information, which we have. This isn't the complete information that you brought, but we have access to all of that information. I have reviewed everything you submitted. We're going to get additional information from the assessor in terms of the rules. And then we get back to you. You can describe what the process is. Getting back to him. Yes.
Well, by general, you will not hear anything. You will hear something before July 1st that will give you a determination on whatever modification might be made. And then at that time, you can then get back with if you're not satisfied with the agreement. But in the meantime, you may want to get together with the assessor just to see what the legal requirements are.
We did file last year's name. We found that application.
We have that.
Okay.
Thank you.
Thank you so much. Thank you for your time. Have a good one.
quite far away. Yeah, that's what I thought.
You know, when you look at it, it looks like I went back down. It's not easy. Yeah, you see. Okay. And that was the authorized records. Yeah, that's what I saw. That's why it was hard to tell. Okay. 115 isn't here, but 13 is, Connor Lawrence. Okay. Want to jump the line?
Good afternoon.
Good afternoon.
Have you been?
We're going to sway you in. I didn't know it was that official. It's so tall. You sure are. What is he? Actually, do you know?
He's not. No, I got it from my mom's side.
Okay.
Do you solemnly and firmly swear that the information you're about to give will be given accurately and truthfully to the best of your ability? I do. Okay.
It's a second to find you.
No worries. I'm a little bit late to this whole process anyways, so a little bit at the last minute. shocked because i never got my original letter my assessment letter um somebody else made me aware of it i had the wrong my old address on file so i never received the letter i found yeah i was surprised tuesday afternoon i did the day deadline i found out i was like so okay so you have 25 acres No. No.
2.5.
2.5. 2.5 would be great, and then I wouldn't be here.
Three-bedroom, two-bath, 1428 square feet, big garden. You have some coffee. Why don't you tell us, it's assessed at 5.6, and you say 375. Tell us why you think that's probably it.
Um, so did a little bit of research on, again, last minute research, comparable homes that sold again, they were anywhere between, you know, 250 something thousand dollar range to the mid fours. Realistically. Um, I mean, I bought the homes, my first home, I'm still there with my family. I paid $75,000 for the house back in 2017. You know, I did a renovation to it, a modest renovation. Um, I just can't see it being worth the $5.56. And if I could get that at market, I would have been very happy with it. But I realistically don't see it being valued at that.
Um, so you've given us here on route to I'm sorry, did you provide any more information on constant?
Just what you have written just those 3 properties that were nothing that shows us how they're comfortable. Right? I can look them up.
I'm done.
Yeah, I wasn't sure what the process again. I do apologize. I would have given you a bit more information again. It was. six o'clock after work and I had to do that to at least get my submission in. Um, what I did was I went on, um, Zillow looked up, you know, homes built between, you know, same timeframe my home was, you know, from the fifties to the two thousands, um, comparable square footage.
Um, I did take that into account.
Yeah. Um, Three bedroom, two bath. Again, I don't have an office or a den, so some of these homes might have had that. Again, because they were just listed as sold, there wasn't a tremendous amount of detail that I could find. But again, they had adequate acreage. Some of them had more. got three listed yeah and in order so if you had to list these in order of the most comparable is that the way they're listed or that was just the order of which i i sorted them on on uh zillow do you remember which one was the most comparable in terms of like yeah some of them i went by data i didn't see the pictures so as far as bedrooms two bath homes do you know if they're all the same type of home two of them was a cape two of them were capes the other one there's no picture so it just was the satellite you know kind of picture like this i couldn't tell what style the home was is there anything you want to tell us about your property that might make it of less value I mean, I do have two and a half acres, not all, you know, the- Well, you think it's in pretty good shape.
The house is in pretty good shape.
I take care of my house. You know, if I don't have a full usable two and a half acres, I do have, you know, my neighbor behind me has right of way on a large portion of that property because his driveway goes through that. So there's nothing I can do with that portion of the property. And then there's nothing I can do with the rear, probably close to an acre of the property because it's all wet. It's a swamp.
The running theme today is a swamp. Wet property.
So it's not a full usable two and a half acre property as far as either usage development goes.
So you have a driveway going through it that Is that correct?
There's a driveway that goes through my property is shaped, if you can imagine, kind of like a K. The long portion, you know, the 50 foot right away, the whole length of my property to get to his house.
Oh, I don't know which one.
Be a good thing or a bad thing, I don't know.
Peter and Sally used to have a house, that little white house right as you turn the white fence across.
Oh. Oh, Peter notes. Peter. Yes, yes.
You have that right of way that goes right up to the top. Right.
Well, I live further down on stone. There's across the street from me is the old old cemetery.
Jeremy, do you have anything
So I took a look at this one. I ran some comps there. I have five cop sales that are Cape Cod, Volpe Cods. They all range from $453,000 to $961,000 they sold for. Adjusting out all around the $530,000 to $590,000 range. I placed emphasis on the closest one on 101 Stony Road, which is adjusting out to $530,000.
John Gerstle PB, David Ensign PB, David Ensign PB, John Gerstle PB, David Ensign PB, Okay, so we will take into consideration what you brought to us, and that was what Jeremy isn't recommending that um and get you something by July 1 John Gerstle PB, David Ensign PB, Thank you.
John Gerstle PB, David Ensign PB, Enjoy.
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um you're kidding me i should have showed it off that's all right i've had the same thing happen yeah i just declined and it's still moving i'll shut my phone off okay that's the way to do it yeah so let me double check my notes
So anyway, you are looking to reduce the assessment to 450,000.
You have 58.3 acres, four, three acres, I guess, I don't know. I'm going to look at the state. Anyways.
Where the house is located. Right.
Hold on. I just want to make sure I'm on the right page. I knew you'd pay not, but you know, next time we're going to let you do all the work. No, next time we're going to see you. Well then, why don't we Let's see what it would be like if you go. 61.5.
Yeah. 61.5. I'm looking at your comps. So you'll have to excuse me. We have three primary.
And then we have 58.3 residual number of extra. Structures, okay. And the house is built in 1975. Some bedrooms, one and a half baths. We're all talking about the same property.
Yep.
So, Juan, you have comps. Tell us why you think the reduction should be almost... half of the third of total assessed value.
So of the comps, if you look, there's really only three that are even log houses.
And of those, there's two that are similar in age. One sold for $645,000. The other sold for $810,000.
The one that sold for $810,000 is considerably larger. It's $2,000. So it's a little bit decent. Um, using the price per square foot, it would cap out this house at 737,000. If you're just using the square footage, like an average square footage sale price. Um, So that's not considering those are both listed as normal condition. So this house has water damage. It has the leaking roof. It has insect damage from boar bees. There's the conditions with the house. Oh, mold. There's wood rot on the floor. dormers i did give a whole bunch of pictures with our and showing all of those things that he's mentioning right yes right we have all those we just don't print them out because it's but we have access to the computer to see them and then the the land even though there's a decent amount of property there most of it is undevelopable so it's either swamps or wetlands or streams or rocky cliffs so it's not really prime probably the property that is developable that was historically farmlands is all developed already so it's got her house my house my brothers and then my former aunt's house who somebody else lives there right so you have topography missions
Misses all one property where they have the different residences. Well, they're broken up.
I can get my phone to behave. Now I see what I did. So part of the three acres has a 50% discount for topography and lengths. And then it doesn't say anything about the remaining acreage, which gets valued at you know, without a discount.
What's that?
A big discount on the three. So talking about the 58 acres, how does it differ from the house site?
Well, the house site actually has all that water stuff too, but the main 58 acres is basically the same. It's all connected. It's one piece. And actually, I'm surprised. I thought you said that that was all merged into one lot.
It is, it is what's what we do is assessors do is they break it down. Oh, her building lot. So that's three acres because you're three acres zoning. And then the 58 and change is considered residual. But residual anticipates that there could be development. And the primary had a 50% discount for wetness and topography. Right. I'm just wondering, You just found the worst place in all of the land to build the house?
No, that's one of the better spots, actually. It's a little bit flat, but the lower half of the property, the original property was 86 acres. So the lower half is where the houses are. The upper half is the residual. That's where you can't really develop because of all the wetlands and the rocks and stuff. So that's why everything is kind of clustered at the bottom.
Do you have any issues with, well, it sounds like you did say that, with the stuff at the bottom being affected by runoff from what's up there? Or is it just its own wetness?
I mean, there is a stream and there's a pond and stuff that runs through. So most of it kind of drains off into the streams that border each side. But we have had issues with washout on the driveway and things like that. We have certainly had those problems. Oh, the other major issue is the in-ground oil tank, which has been there for 50 years.
I did give a picture of the tank coming up out of the ground, the fill thing.
But yeah, from what I was able to find, and you can't really get a good estimate on this unless you have somebody come out in Christ to actually remove somewhere between $5,000 and $15,000 to remove it. That's assuming there's no oil. If there's an oil leak, then it's considerably higher. And actually, yeah, a house that I bought with my wife in Marlborough at one point years ago, the previous owners had the tank removed, there was oil leaking, and I think they had, it was like $60,000 or something like that for the evasion. Yeah. Oh, so that was quite costly.
Well, this one's been there 50 years.
I kind of don't want to know. At some point it will be a problem.
Is there so. It's rocky. Is it steep? Describe more of the residual land.
There is a road that was kind of built 30-something years ago.
Years ago, it looks like a... like a logging road. It's not really a road.
It's just a...
But that follows effectively a ridge going up towards the back. On either side of it, it is fairly steep. And it would drop, I'd say... over the course of maybe 15, 20 feet, it could go up or down 20 feet. So it's fairly steep in spots. My cousins years and years ago had a dirt bike track up there just because they could jump some stuff like that. You can navigate with a dirt bike, but otherwise, yeah, not much. Okay.
Is there anything else you'd like us to know?
I was saying, I think that was me.
Oh, just, I mean, interior stuff is still unfinished in the house. Some of the closets aren't painted. Trim is missing.
It's not finished, however.
When was the house built? 1975. 1975.
And we actually built it ourselves with the help of, you know, cousins and aunts and uncles and whatever. But, I mean, the electric and the plumbing, we did have someone come in and do.
That was the exact same year my husband and I built our house. Really? I did a lot. No, it wasn't a lot. I did the electric, my husband did the plumbing. That was before you had the... Yeah, they came with the two flatbeds with all the logs, like Lincoln Logs. That's how they delivered it back then.
And they just got the straps, the things sold off, and they drove away.
That's what I just brought today. That has, like, the calculation in it, too.
Thank you.
I made a couple of copies.
Okay, so if you want to, I can design them and keep the sense. Yeah, if you wait for the right time. I don't know what I'm saying. This is very, very helpful. Yeah, that really is helpful. And she loves numbers. I think she dreams of them. Some people have sheet building. I think that's him. Seriously. We are connected here. I was a math major. So was I.
We are experienced with words.
All right. Anything else? No? All right, no, I have no more questions. Jeremy, would you like to have anything to add?
This one, I think this one, did that get lowered by guard?
Yeah, they had it assessed over a million.
They had a lot of fire there.
They had a number of issues with additional buildings and stuff.
So I just, we ran consuls looking at it there, got comp sales on 10 acres, 25 acres, 13 acres, 17 acres, 15 acres. And they're all adjusting out to 960.
Right. But the land here is what really speaks. It's like 500,000 in land. 61 acres.
Correct.
61 acres, three of which have a 50% discount. And then the rest, well. Equalities. Hi, I've been trying to meet you.
This will be helpful. Okay. So thank you very much for coming in. And you will hear from us by July 1st.
All right.
Thank you. Nice to meet you. Just send a letter. Okay. Yes, doesn't it? Thank you. So do you want to spend 15 minutes to run through more of these? And then we have an hour to get to the courthouse. We don't have any more appointments? They have not shown. Well, we should just do this. So why don't we use that 15 minutes to let Jeremy run through some numbers so we don't have to do that at the end of the day? Yeah.
Okay. Never?
Never.
Okay.
I was going to say, I wouldn't sue any of these chairs. If they want to get a chair, they're right there.
That's the way to go.
You know... Can we either do it now or we have to do it at the end of the day?
I'd rather do it at the end of the day. Don't know what you can put on.
I mean, we really should stay. We are expected to be here until 2 o'clock.
I'm going to spend the next 15 minutes in the bathroom.
Well, you can do that because all he has to do is say the stuff. That's all we have to do. Well, what if he adds something that isn't in the notes? He's going to give us all his papers. He's going to read the papers for us.
Okay, read off the papers I'm going to.
Okay. So we were up to... G12. Eight was your last one. Last one... HAB-Masyn Moyer- That was 965 to 1,000,000 something.
HAB-Masyn Moyer- Okay, well, the 12. HAB-Masyn Moyer- Subject is a 2288 square foot colonial built in 1992 and 2.8 acres and reviewing the photos by the property owner around that we ran the cops and coming up with a value range of 536 to 618 The condition of the subject emphasis should be placed on the 536 and 554, 555 range. So you have one that you did a step on that we've had? Yeah, they've really submitted something, but I ended up talking to them and bit step.
Okay, we need to check on that because I think G13, do you want this on the record, what we're saying now? Yeah, it has to be. So G13, you now have a step on.
46 to 52 crossroad, it's the end of this.
Okay.
G 14 sundown road. So there was a 35 acre vacant parcel. Intensibility valued at 8485 per acre. I believe that to be correct.
Okay.
80 bridge route. G 17.
G what?
G 17. 17. Yeah. John Gerstle, Just some response to the owner sales that the provided 318 maple streets in the town of warsing. John Gerstle, it's only 660 square feet in size, I don't have to have a half an acre not comparable to the subject 637 grant road is a 1940 built. John Gerstle, 1400 square foot old style house and economy grade construction and bear condition was sold in 2024 not comparable to the subject and. 33 sundale road is a 1960 built 660 square foot cottage in poor uninhabitable condition not comparable to the subject. 42 markle room is a 1971 ranch down house on 1.6 acres not comparable to the subject. And also sold on 430 2026 which is patched evaluation date of July 1st. 4028 to 4030 route 209 is a multiple residence property not comparable to the subject. The 84 Sydney Street was a 1965 built-up colonial Cape Cod-style house of economy-grade construction in fair condition, not comparable to the subject. 52 Old Manawaska Trail is a 1966 built cottage of economy-grade construction in fair condition, not comparable to the subject.
You're trying to tell us something here.
The subject is a 1990 built Cape Cod. That's in good overall condition. 1,296 square feet of living space on 5.1 acres. I have some cop sheets attached for your review. Okay.
And your recommendation is no change? Correct.
Okay. 190 DeWitt Road, G18. And evaluation date is July 1st, 2025. Property owner is using sale that took place in December 25. That's the evaluation date. And again, one sale doesn't make the market. Three to five comps should be used to determine down use. 112 Lyons Road, G19. The owner of the property is saying this is a seasonal cabin. We just have the property as being a 19.7 acre parcel with a 30 by 48 two-story barn, a shed, two picnic shelves, seasonable cabin. So recommend no change. New 96, Middleton-Hontz Road, B21. Based on the current normal condition with property as, I can lower the market value coming in the 440 range of coming up with comps. The property may be more of a fair condition than the normal average. I'll have to think about that one. 675 cherry town road be 23 this one is a new construction Cape Cod Cape Cod style have those, but it's else seven acres. And I believe the property owner was just comparing vacant man, I think, in their agreements. The blower door test was done in August of 2025. What's a blower door test? That's like the final inspection thing, the CO inside the house is there.
And it wasn't there? And it was not there? Oh, it was finished.
Yeah, so it's not saying that the house was finished there, even though I don't know if I actually received the final CO, but the building part of the blower door test was done in August of 2005, so the house was complete. I think we're just comparing it to vacant land under grievance. It's bringing us there.
That was which one g what 23 23 23 yes.
80 white birch lane g 26 this is 9.7 acres with a hunting camp cabin camp on it. That's what we spoke about for the day. So I'm in there already. We're not posting G31. Replica of the one we just spoke about there. Reed-Clovewood Road, G32.
Except I think that one didn't have anything at all from the condimenting. I think she just submitted that on her own.
That was the $150,000.
That was the one he was using as a compliment.
Retro Wood Road, G32, correcting the last size to 1.97 acres and removing the central layer. I'm coming up with a market value of 7.35. 33 Rock Hill Road, G34, recommend a reduction to 8.20 on that one. John Gerstle, 20 cents in the world g 35. John Gerstle, recommend a reduction to 320. John Gerstle, city whole room, this is an 18.1 acre bacon parcel with 33 to frontage on city hall road. John Gerstle, excerpt also from the data attached here, showing that it is not a landlocked parcel. Scratch together with a permanent break. You can't probably only try and to claim it has no access. You know, from the tax member county says that scrap 30 foot parcel also together with a permanent right and easement. He was that she was that she 36.
No, we jumped in.
I recommend no reduction. 43 Denonville Road, G37. Recommend reduction to 430 on that one. It's not the evidence provided. Old Kings Highway, G38. After applying a negative wetness influence, I'm coming up with a value of 77,000. G94 Old Kings Highway, G39. That was lowered during the informal route process to 715. I recommend a further reduction.
715? Yes. G12 Whitfield Road, G40.
That sold on October 3rd, 2025 for $701,000. And so we were running the cops. I'm coming up with a value of 675 as a market value as of July 1 675 G 40 19 ski slope route he 41 Is a 496 square foot seasonal cabin on half an acre. And we run the cops recommending reduction for one 1511 Harris road G 42 After reviewing the sporting documentations, you can recommend them reduction to 300,000 people. 21, ski slope groove, G43. After reviewing supporting documentation, rerun comps, I recommend a reduction to 460,000. 41, Dawson, Maine, G44. I recommend a reduction to 960,000. 101 Ridgewood Road, G45. Recommend a reduction to $1,485,000. 107 Ridgewood Road, G46. Recommend a reduction to $1,405,000. HAB-Jacques Juilland:"96 Ridgewood G 47 recommend the reduction to 1,330,000." HAB-Jacques Juilland:"8 Tamarack lane." HAB-Jacques Juilland:"Recommend reduction to 1,335,000." HAB-Jacques Juilland:"1,335,000." HAB-Jacques Juilland:"48." PB, Harmon Zuckerman, 85 Ridgewood G 49 PB, Harmon Zuckerman, Recommended Reduction 1,295,000 PB, Harmon Zuckerman, 15 rock oak G 50 PB, Harmon Zuckerman, Recommended Reduction to 1,310,000 PB, Lupita D Montoya, Time John Gerstle, 240 sundale road 51. John Gerstle, recommend the reduction to 660,000. John Gerstle, 150 no road. John Gerstle, G 52. John Gerstle, recommend reduction to 1,240,000. 39 Stable Hill Road, G53. Recommend a reduction to $621,000. 273.
Why don't you do the last one?
Do the last one. One more time.
273 Richard Hill Road, G54. Recommend a reduction to $1 million.
Nice round number to stop with. Okay, we're going to stop the sessions now. It's two o'clock. We will adjourn again at the courthouse at three o'clock. And how do we stop this machine?
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