City Council - Regular Meeting

We left. Sweet. I didn't see any any torches. Porks. That's good. Um, appreciate all the council being here tonight. We do have a full quorum to begin. Is it your turn for the prayer? Councilman White is one of them. I thought we skipped him last time. I didn't let you do it for the last time. Okay, we'll have Council our deal.

He did say Christmas party. We'll leave it to Council and then uh I don't see our chief here tonight, but we'll go ahead and recite the pledge of allegiance following the prayer. Our dear heavenly father, we're grateful for this day and grateful for this opportunity to meet in city council meeting as citizens and members of the council and others with interest in our city. We pray that we may make the correct decisions in behalf of the citizens as we as we deliberate and discuss options and the best interests of this city. We are thankful for those who serve here in our city and thankful for those who serve on the council and those citizens who regularly show interest in assist in steering and directing the progress and direction of the city. We're grateful for all of our blessings. We're grateful especially this time of year as we celebrate the birth of thy son Jesus Christ. for his sacrifice and for the blessings that come to each of us in our lives because of that. We pray tonight that we may enjoy this meeting and feel thy love and we say these things in the name of thy son Jesus Christ. Amen. Amen. To the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you all. We do have a few council elect and the mayor elect here tonight, so they get to direct this meeting next well January. I was going to say next week, but in a couple weeks. Uh, we do have the first item, the previous minutes of 1225. Any amendments or corrections to those minutes? Um, I would move we approve. I think they're okay. Okay. We have a motion to approve. I'll second it. Second by Councilman Goodri. All in favor? I.

Any opposed? That's unanimous. We do have our public comment period tonight. Um, we can take up to 15 minutes total. Anyone from the public can speak to the council for up to three minutes. Are there any tonight that would like to take that opportunity? Yes, we should. Should we decide the group? I thought at least for Okay, seeing none, we'll move forward to um our first item, which is public hearing. But before we do, can we have Kyle Garcia, will you come up and kind of give us a brief rundown of some of the pro proposed changes at the golf course?

Yes. And Kyle Garcia represent the golf course as the clubhouse manager. Um we usually do some great rate proposals. Um we try to alternate u years whether we whether we raise uh daily rates or season passes. It's been a few years, maybe five or more since we actually did daily rates and we wanted to bring our daily rates to industry standard. So, we go back to that first one right there. Yep. No. So, yellow kind of highlights our proposed. Um, anything that's yellow has changed from the previous year. Um, all the cart fees are up 5% which is just 50 cents. um as well as our weekday rates. Our biggest change are our weekend rates up 20%. Um we've seen a higher demand for weekend gameplay and that includes Friday, Saturdays, and Sundays because considered a golf weekend. And so raising our our and we're actually just raising that to an industry standard. And even then in our in my comparison, we're still um like right at the median. 18 uh $18 for nine holes on a weekend is right at the median. Um so we're still kind of in the middle, but in my comparison with all the other golf courses, we are kind of middle in the population. Um for rural golf courses, which is highlighted on the other chart below. But we'll while we're still on this stage, we did I did propose some changes to a few season passes. Um just to bring up with some industry standards, uh junior rate and couple season pass. Um those are up 7% for the junior rate and couples up 20% just to kind of match the other couples rates. Um throughout all the other golf courses

that ours is on more of the lower end of schedule. Um, I just believe with our golf course, we are we're treasure and demand is really high right now and and taking an opportunity to raise our rates is while while remaining at a good value um with Mike and this crew providing a great golf course um allows us to be able to raise our rates and still provide good value for our citizens. Um the personal cart fee up from 390 to 500. Uh we also sold a separate rider theme of 150. Um we have been experiencing some issues with the plethora of personal carts that we have. We sold over a 100 personal cart passes last year and there just creates some issue with borrowing carts and other things. So this will help um kind of alleviate that issue. um just making that one flat rate fee for their personal cart that'll include their rider for for families. The new one that we need to discuss tonight is our cart storage from 206 to a proposed $1,000. Um

that's annually, right?

Annually, yes, an annual rate. Um from previous council has been um proposed that we're going to install a cart storage that is provided by the city. Um in the previous proposal there was uh an inclusion of the cart unlimited cart pass included. After meeting with the uh uh city manager as well as Mike and our new recreation director uh Edwin, we tried to find a number that was reasonable for both parties. And in my if we go to the shed comparison on the page towards the bottom I think I don't have I do have a shed comparison page. There's not too many golf courses in the state of Utah that provide sheds and we would be on the high end of that in our in my initial study. um with Moab being the closest at 700. So, we thought it would be best to include a personal cart season pass with your shed rental for the season at $1,000. Um we also compared that to local local storage sheds which are about $720 to $1,000 per year. So, we're kind of right in line with a with a storage shed that's maintained. Uh, I think I think the goal for those new sheds is to fill them. So providing an excellent value at I mean it would put your personal cart cost would be 500, but you're getting your shed basically for $500 would be reasonable for those who are having to remove their sheds. Um, pay for the removal of their sheds. The inconvenience of removing

their sheds of being there for 20, 10, 5 years. Um, I think it's a reasonable proposal for them to want to get back in them, giving them the first rights to get back in the sheds. And I think that highlights all the all the rate changes. I don't remember. But did what was the number we had to pay off those sheds in? Do you remember what number we talked about? Is that in line with what we talked about? You mean? Yeah. Yeah. So what would the payoff of the shed construction be if you charge that? I believe that there was a three a fiveyear plan at 1300.

So probably around seven years probably around seven years just backing it up two years to have it paid for the goal is to to have it filled. If we can't fill it at a high at 1300 then right initiate and then you're not then you're still up to seven years. Great question. Are there any other questions from council on any I'm just wondering the golf committee is they had a chance to look at this or review I'm not aware of any Yeah, golf committee quit meeting 18 months ago. Sounds good. Just thought I would check. Any other questions from council?

Kyle, is the you said so it looks here the season house for an adult is 700 if they do the cart storage for a,000 and they're really paying for this shed rental for 300 for the year, right? Is that what I'm reading? No, there and there may have been a cycle on one of them. The shed rental includes a personal limited car pass, not the season pass. Oh, so if they get a season pass at 700 and they have a shed with their car, they'd be at $5,700.

Okay. I just trying to clarify that. And then I had a question um on your weekday and weekend rates. Is there a reason why the 16 and under are staying the same? Do they have to golf with an adult or what? Uh why would you I mean our goal our goal as a city golf course is to invite junior golfers to play the game. We're trying to grow our grow our interest in the sport and you know remain give it give give our city like a a cheaper option for kids to um recreate. So leaving that kind of at a lower price invites the family nature of the recreation of the golf course.

Are they required to be with an adult? Uh they are so 16 they're required to have a driver's license to um drive the golf parking. They're not necessarily required to do an adult if they're walking and under the age of 16. Any other questions? Seeing none entertain a mission a motion to go into public hearing. I move we go into public hearing to discuss the uh rate changes at the golf course that were provided by Kob Garcia. Okay, we have a motion second by Councilman Allen. All in favor? I.

Any opposed? Okay, we'll consider ourselves in a public hearing. Are there any comments from the public? If you choose to comment, if you just come take Kyle's place here at the mic for the record, social security number and not going to give you my social security number, but Bo Hancock um first time seeing the rates. I think it's what K propos is reasonable. Um I've been around the golf course quite a bit in my life. that I've had a few of the citizens talk about the change any the rental storagees for the golf cart shed. I think combining the the golf cart pass with the rental shed for that $1,000 per year is reasonable. Um I think some of you are paying anywhere between 250 to 350 per year right now to have your shed there. I think this is a great project. It's going to make that area a little better. is going to expand some of the parking lots that we need for overflow. Uh when you see tournament days up there, golf cars are running down street drive. I was supportive proposal to impact the citizens to utilize what they have in a small community. Not a lot of cities this size have that type of amenity. And the council calls and and acknowledges the amount of charitable contributions that run through that golf course. It's probably more to $500,000 a year that these different entities um get the money and they reinvest that a lot of times back into the community benefit. Appreciate that. Thank you. Any others?

Seeing none, mayor, I move we go back into regular make that decision. Seeing none, I would entertain a motion. I'm just trying to help you move the meeting along. I'll make the motion to move back to regular session. We have a motion, second by Councilman Allen. All in favor? I. Okay, we're back in regular session. Any other further discussion by the council? I would move we approve the proposed fee schedule changes presented by Kyle tonight. Okay, we have a motion to approve. I'll second. Second by Councilman White. All in favor? Any opposed? That is unanimous. Okay, Kimberly,

I don't think I saw her. Do you want to go ahead and have Kirby present on JUB general engineering services? Yes, I'm just here. This is something that's annually done for Roosevelt Airport with JV Engineerings. It's a uh general uh engineering services annually like I say and the fee compensation for their work is not to exceed 10,000 and okay is that mic

there might not have been on just doesn't have exactly so Yeah, it's just a general engineering task that we do annually. Well, actually J asked for and uh like I say, the compensation is not exceeded 10,000 and uh every year we usually use them and their services have been great. So I have no issues whatsoever, you know, signing on for another year. Yeah. And to be more specific, this is for our airport. So they're the engineers for our airport. They've been doing a fantastic job over the last several years. And so they have for sure. Any questions for Kirby? Is this already in our budget for

Yeah, it has been. It's under the general engineering services. I thought it was Yes, sir. Any other questions? Airport committee in support. Yes. Yes. I would move we approve then. Okay. We have a motion to approve. I'll second it. Second by Councilman Goodrich. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Okay. All right. Motion passes. Thank you. I think this is the moment everyone's been waiting for. Cougar Land Services proposal.

No, I'm just kidding. All abilities playground discussion. Dustin, just kidding. Royce, mayor, council, good evening. Thank you for the time. Uh definitely excited to be here tonight to give an update on our all abilities uh playground that we've been working on for quite a while now. The last time that we met, we discuss about a location and it was approved that we look into Central Park right next to the existing one. We're going to keep the existing one and then also add this all abilities playground as well next to where the volleyball pit is at. And since we met last time, we've actually uh created a committee that in that includes community partners u in our area and we have some great community uh partners that we have here and we've been able to meet together and kind of discuss what we think um would be good for our area when it comes to knowledability playground. We've also over the years have reached out to families that have special needs in their family and just recently were able to reach out to some more families. I appreciate all the families that are here tonight. They're actually able to meet with their own family and get some input on what allability program playgrounds they've been to. We got some good feedback from them and we really appreciate what works for them and what doesn't work for them. So, I definitely appreciate that. Um, what we've done is we've reached out to Big T Recreation. I highly encourage you go to their web page and also their YouTube page and see all the amazing projects that they have done around the state of Utah. I'm confident saying they're the best in the state. And he has prepared a video presentation with the recommendations that we have from the committee and also family members that have special needs. So, thank you Dr. Just for a second. Heat. Heat.

Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Heat. Just to go over a few highlights from that rendering that we just saw of the ability. program, the ally abilities playground, excuse me. Um, so this playground was designed for children of all abilities enjoying and sharing the same playground. That was our our vision and goal. It's about being part of something together. And so this playground type is a large ramp all abilities playground um with with shade structures. Some of the features have a double bass swing set, double zoom tracks, motion components and sentry play, six benches and uh ADA accessibility. Some of the features

elevated activities are required 16 provided is 25. Uh ground level activities required are 10 provided are 19 and ground level plague types required are five and provided is seven. Um just kind of about the area, the square footage, the total surfacing area is 9,486 square ft. Um this age group is around 5 to 12 years old and it's the zone is 102 ft by 93 ft. So it is a pretty large area, but we're able to fit in the location that we approved. Um and then the big thing is the cost breakdown. And I think that's something that we need to discuss. And just to point out, our purpose tonight is not to come and ask the council for the amount of 976,000. Rather, what we're doing tonight is just to ask for approval to move forward with this project and to reach out to our community partners and get with them and get a commitment of what they're capable and what they're able to donate. Um and just we are on the time frame that we could possibly if everything goes well we could start on this project in April. It takes about 3 months to to build this type of abilities playground. So um but first is there any questions question real quick? A couple questions and then a comment and then I'll open it up to the council. But um when will they need to know have a final decision to be able to start in April? Let's say

we need a commitment by the end of January. Okay, the end of January. And then they can actually start they can schedule their crew to start in the end of April. And that way if they start in the end of April, they'll be done by July, which actually might benefit us because what we can do is we can budget for next year. I we can budget for whatever we need to make up if we need to be, you know, make that up. Um there's nothing down which is nice because it's under the state contract. We don't hold anything down until the project is done. So that makes it nice for getting this paid for and whatnot. But

awesome. Yeah. And then the second uh just comment is the soft surface that's going on. We're going that bit includes resurfacing the old playground as well. Correct. Yeah. It's called a pouring pour in place like rubber surface. Think of it as a sport court and that is ADA requirements to have that. And also something to point out is if we take those wood chips out that are there of course we can get wheelchairs in there and also it's going to help with the longevity of a pickle ball pickle ball court surface as well because you know that surface is really expensive to put in. Right now we're getting wheelchairs over there so it also helps us keep that nice as well. So

awesome. And then the final thing I'd just say is I know the hospital has been one of the partners. I know absolutely Jim Megan uh they've been to some of the meetings. Megan has uh structured a fundraising um proposal. And so I think there's going to be a lot of interest from the community in something like this. But I think it's been uh a neat project to see. Remind me your name back here in the back. Nate Adamson. Adamson. When Nate and his wife came and and pitched this, it reminded us of a previous commitment we made to the hospital uh in conjunction with them giving the 14 14 acres 12

12 acres behind the hospital for the major park to consider putting something like this in. And so, uh I think now is a good time and fulfilling that obligation along with, you know, the interest that we have from the public. So, absolutely. Yeah. the hospital and Jim and Dana have been awesome. They've been they've been there from the get-go back in 2021 we first into this and so yeah, they've been awesome to work with and like you said, there's a lot of interest out there with our community partners and we've reached out to a few more just recently that are very, you know, excited to have about they just need to know what direction they need to go from here. So, tonight we're just looking for approval to reach out to those partners and see what we can do to make this possible.

Excellent. Any questions from the council? I was curious about the the wear on the equipment and what the you know how long do they kind of say it will last and then need to consider replacement. So it'll it'll it's guaranteed for 15 years. Okay. But there is some things that we have to do as a park staff. We have to reseal it every so every second year. I kind of look at it like when you take care of asphalt, you have to crack seal it and put a new seal coat on it. So, and Taff from Vicky Recreation is awesome about that. And he said he teach, you know, teaches our staff how to properly maintain it. So, and he says if you do properly maintain it, it will last 15 years

and and the and the equipment too will last 15. Will we have to maybe do some touchup on it at all or Yeah, every he has a schedule of when you need to touch up things. So, follow his recommendations because we want it to last. That's for sure. Especially with this kind of investment. It is. It's a huge investment. So that'll be one of our main main goals is to take care of this. So any other questions? Seeing none, we entertain a motion. One. Go ahead. Second.

Okay. So we both be done. So that's good. That's hard to do, too. So we have Council Allen for the first or for the motion and Councilman White for the second. Okay. All in favor? Any opposed? You can take it up with everyone. Awesome. Then next month we'll we'll come back more. So thanks. Awesome. Thanks for the work

I've put into that. And Nate, thanks for coming in. You can see I mean I just want to say something really quickly about the council that we have and I believe this to be true about the council that's coming in is I feel like we've created an environment where people can come in and voice concerns, share ideas and things like that and those will be taken seriously and come to fruition and we've done a lot of cool things in our in our community in the last several years and we appreciate the partnerships that we've formed. So thank you. Um, with that now we'll turn the time uh well, we'll turn the time over to Grant and Drew for Cougarland. Grant some members of staff met with representatives from Cougarland over the past couple of weeks. My understanding is that there's been two meetings and uh kind of an amended proposal. Uh, as of an email was forwarded to me uh from Mr. Moore this morning, uh, Cougarland is offering compensation to the city in an amount of $34,99852. And there's a further breakdown on that. There's uh an amount per acre, an administrative fee, a staging fee, and looks like two administrative fees actually. And it's also proposed that they would increase the bond amount from 1 million to 1.5 million and the bond would be in place for a period of 5 years. There were also some documents forwarded to me this morning that I haven't had a chance to go through in depth. I have had a chance to look at the permit and there need to be some revisions, but at this point uh

we wanted to present to the council what uh the revised offer is and see if it's something you're interested in, if you want me to make revisions to the documents that were provided and send them back to Cougar Land. uh if you're not interested understand any thoughts from council.

Um my thought is, you know, while we love oil and gas, I we have wells going under the city already. I'm just kind of wondering how this is a benefit to the residents of Roosevelt, Utah. um in a way that you know I know this benefits companies and that they can target specific zones. Maybe there's less error stuff like that going on because they're going to drill under the city anyway because they have lease rights under the city. But I'm I'm just wondering if they're really if if the cost outweighs the benefit and what what people's thoughts are on that as far as like citizens in the city if we're all for it or it's kind of been a hard one for me to gauge. I know I've got a a a water line, a water man that that runs from the meter to my house that has broke like five times in the last five years. And it uh just I'm sure it's a temperature thing cuz it always happens about this time of the year. And um it's because it wasn't set right. But at the same time, I'm just concerned like just just minor shaking would potentially cause that to rupture again, which you know is a headache for me because it's sticky soils and I get out there with the shovel. It takes me like two days to do.

And your your name? Yeah, I fixed it a bunch. I know that's kind of Anyway, but I'm probably not the only one in the city, you know, I'm just one of six people here making a decision and I'm sure there are others potentially in the city with similar issues and and how can we I mean would it be defensible? Like if if say that did break about the same time as that is there a way from you know how how hard is it to I don't know

so is the question if they bond for infrastructure that may be damaged during operation um how is that considered and will they pay for that if it's questionable not just water line but you know we got city infrastructure if I can respond to vulnerabilities and anyway concerned personally about myself but other citizens that may be in the same kind of situation if you don't mind. Sorry. Yeah. This is part of why we want to do this is just flesh out all the concerns and see.

Absolutely. Uh for you that don't know me, my name is Ivan Sh and I represent TGS who is the main operator of the proposed Roosevelt 3D seismic acquisition here. uh we essentially do land uh acquisition throughout North America at any given time. And in fact, we have very specific that we set up for these specific incidents where we identify lines, we identify facilities, we identify everything and then we set back any source energy from those from those areas. We not only do that, we also run PPV monitoring which essentially is measuring the particle movement of the ground. And in fact, when we did the Tesla, we actually put one unit there and we guarantee essentially that this won't happen. And in fact, if there is damages caused by anything that seismic activity does in this area written right into the permit, it actually states that we will repair those damages. And that doesn't include having to uh access the bond and the other side of the coin is as well as we write in city as part of the additional insurance policy as well. So you become insulated from these types of activities. So within the actual permit itself it does state that we will take on all damages. We are responsible for all damages that caused by the activity and we are guaranteed to repair those those services. So our company's been in in you know production here in North America for many many years and in fact it has been an accumulation of of several companies over time but TGS is based out of Houston. uh we are an international company but we are sincerely focused on North America as far as land surf is concerned and we do this all over and in fact the last survey we just completed was uh

approximately the same size as the entire area that we're planning here and we completed in Ohio with uh absolutely no final concerns although there might have been some possible damages that were paid for and addressed but they were addressed on site prior to So there is no claims that are against us or the seismic operation to date at this time. What kind of concerns or damages?

Uh typically running uh we we went through an entire season out there and anywhere that we went to soft lands that we had some and so on and so forth. Uh we weren't doing a combination of drill and vibrator source on that one. So here in the town of Roosevelt, we would typically we're only going to run vibrators in here. And the vibrators that we brought uh to the site here to test, we've actually heard your concerns about the size of the vibrators and the weight of the vibrators. So we are going to bring in smaller vibrators into here, which is one/ird the weight of the actual ones that we tested here. considerably smaller uh considerably lighter and far less energy u accumulation into the drone and I think if anybody who was at that test could probably you know a tone for that essentially it uh when you stand beside those vibrators it's not like it's going to shake your house or it's going to shake the ground to the point where you can you can physically see it on on let's say a cup of coffee sitting there it's very minimal and we ensure that our setback are far enough away from structures including dairy facilities to ensure that that's not going to happen. If in fact you do have a problem though and we look at it and we know that we were shaken in the area fixed that's just pay to have it fixed.

Yeah. Or pay to have it fixed. Exactly.

Okay. So, how do how do we as a city make the public aware that this is happening and and make sure they know that if there are issues that result from it that that uh that there is a way to mitigate that? Is there are we going to take that you know convey that message and make sure citizens understand that or is that a responsibility that you guys go about doing? Do you have a standard letter um or that basically spells out what you guys are doing? In the past in some areas we have done what we call as a notification letter drop or mail out letters letting people know what's going on and uh what's going to happen over the next few days. Roosevelt in itself, we will deploy what we call sensors or geophones, which are just small little listening devices that are planted on the ground. Essentially, they're just a very small spike that sits on the ground. That device will stay there for approximately 15 days within the city, let's say, before it was retrieved. When we do bring the vibes into the area, all we are going to be doing is occupying very specific spots and we have sent them out to everybody to see what our pre-plan is for those areas. Those vibes will only occupy the V itself. So the one single singular spot will shake on that spot only once and they will move on to the next spot. They will shake on it and they'll continue to move up the road never to come back and reoccupy. And we're looking at about 12 miles of actual line that we're going to shake, which is essentially road surface in most cases. And out of that 12 miles, we feel that we'd be from start to finish as far as the B operations are concerned with authorities. But our program is actually going to be extending into next year as far as the outs go. So when we look at we've got

phase 1 A, 1 B and 1 C. Phase 1 A is over the town we're developing in the central area now, but we will be here next year as well. So, and in fact, Cooper Land is contracted with us to continue the pering efforts for through gaining land access and surface for that service on next basis as well. And we could David,

excuse me, we could if uh we need to do some notification, we can run some advertising in the local paper and do something on Facebook. But uh you know, I have been doing some work here and we have permitted probably 550 citizens inside the city and it's hard to explain all of the operations because we don't know exactly what's going to happen. you know, most of them just been permitted for the sensors, but doing some advertising and another mail out with everything, you know, to the citizens with would not bomb.

I think one of the issues that we we've had so far is it's very difficult for us to get any type of feedback from individuals and perhaps yourselves in some cases. And we are willing to certainly stand up in front of anyone to put on a demonstration or or mail out letters or knock on doors or even in fact when we did the test the first thing we did is we went around to all the local homes in the area knock on doors said hey this is what we're doing. If you hear something shaking outside, you'll see a large piece of equipment sitting there. This is what we're doing. So, we brought up the there was no concerns at that point from them to us.

I think just a notice of I don't know. That's my thought is I'd like to see a notice go out to say this is happening. Um, and just make people I don't it would be good for them to know that there is recourse if they feel like there they've had damage done. And so if we could notify them and and and just kind of make them aware of that, I think I would be way more for it.

You know, David, when we know things like that you're telling us and um about specific areas that we need to avoid, then we can increase the buffer around your your house there and your water line to make sure we're we don't get anywhere near it. So, so we'll be doing a lot of that, working with with your guys to make sure, you know, we don't get into a situation where we cause any problems.

I think the process is something that a lot of people don't truly understand. We bring mappers out first to essentially just surveying everything. They go around everything from homes, water wells, structures, anything that has to be identified. We also will produce and put out locators which will locate any very facilities if that's what's required at that point in time. When we locate them, we not only locate them digitally, but we also buffer them digitally so that any shot points or DPS what we call the source energy which would be where the shake those buffer areas are non-groachable. We cannot come within that that buffer area without being able to shake on that point. So when we survey all the areas, we identify all these structures, all these concerns and we set back and of course the higher the concern, the further to step back and then we also bring in the PPV monitor. So on each one of the VPS we will have a monitor sitting in that concern area to register exactly what is being transmitted to the ground. And in fact it's it's quite surprising how little actually does get transmitted through the ground. But again, we're looking at a very specific frequency bounce off of geological zones below the earth, not so much cared across the surface shape foundation. So I understand water lines water well of great concern and in fact I've mentioned that we are willing to test everybody's water the city which means that three and a post test as well. So we're we're definitely committed to ensuring that when we're complete here, we want everybody within the community to be happy that we're here and welcome the staff with phase three, four, five, whichever comes comes next. So

Okay, thank you for the information. Yeah, appreciate it. Thank you. Before you sit down, I uh just a couple questions because when we had our meeting, there's two things that stand out to me that uh just want to make sure that we bring up and that is you mentioned the maps.

Yes. And were you able to get with some of our staff in regards to some of our infrastructure, the golf course, the airport, and things like that to to discuss where you might be able to put your equipment and make sure that they felt comfortable if we were to approve something like that. So, I know for a fact that the golf course, we went out and actually pre-erveyed the golf course. So we have surveyors that went out there, worked with the with the uh growth course itself to ensure that we were putting everything outside of the areas that they had concerns. In fact, what we did is we took all the source energy and moved it off because they had water line concerns in the area and we put geopones as opposed to others. And then we placed those geopones in in positions where they were acceptable as far as the course was concerned. The last thing we wanted to do is any damage or have uh any issues following up after this and of course we know the course is shut down now and when they fire up in the spring we don't want them to have issues as well. So for us it's just within our best interest to ensure that we're set back from those areas. Now, as far as the infrastructure goes, maybe

we we did we did uh survey the the airport and we've got actual survey positions where we want to put the receivers and we have the infrastructure and have planned to move stuff away from from all the infrastructure there

and I think Kirby supplied us just with some rudimentary locations with water. So we do have some stuff and we can essentially take that digitally and digitize it or produce a digital file but realistically we want to locate those facilities as well. So as far as following a digital file sometimes they're great to plan with but realistically we want to know exactly where that line resides because if in fact in the plan it says it's here and it's actually here there could be an encroachment issue. So we really want to ensure that we're identifying the line where it's located. so that we can set back proper distance from those areas and not encroach.

One of the things I'm thinking of too is JUB, we've already mentioned them, but make sure that they would be involved in anything that happens at the airport to make sure that it doesn't affect us with our federal funding and things. I've talked to Okay. Did she have any feedback initially on that or just No, initially just as long as it wasn't on the runway and the taxi way, you know, was the biggest concern and of course the height.

And then the last thing that I remember uh at least being brought up in that meeting um that was somewhat addressed here is the the initial payment to Roosevelt City was about 17,500. Looks like that has been raised. Uh, and there's some concessions there that would increase that to approximately 35,000. Um, I know Kirby, you had got a bid and one of the concerns that I'll just finish and then I'll let you speak, Doug. But, um, one of the concerns is that we want to make sure that we're not subsidizing, this was mentioned in the the other meeting, that we're not subsidizing on the private industry. And so, we want to make sure that if we're doing work that that is being paid for. And so

he did get a bid, but go ahead Doug and then um Kirby, I'd like to hear your feedback on that. Doug, so would point out that there are provisions where there could be additional funds paid, but that's one of the areas that I have concerns with the document is it talks about an hourly rate uh that's not specified and also covering costs. So, uh, things like blue stakes or that kind of thing, the way that it's written, I think the intention is that that would be paid on top of the 35,000. Correct. But I think we need to flesh that out more before this document would be ready to be signed if that's the direction. I would agree.

Yes. So, as far as as far as DGS is concerned, whatever your contractor's rates are and whatever you guys deem those rates to be is what we pay. So essentially, we're not here to dictate what those rates are for repairs or any of the services that we're asking for. So within the the permit itself, we are our full intention is to cover all costs so that no costs go back to the city for any of our activities out there at all. So even that's full intention. That's exactly how we want it written. And if there's adjustments to it, we are certainly willing to make those adjustments to make it more clear. And so the hourly rate that's left blank, you would anticipate that we would come with an hourly rate that we felt comfortable with.

Yeah. There was concern that was brought to us of staff time. Um, and we don't know what your staff hourly rate is. So, and I know it varies depending on person. So, it was so it would be flexible enough that we would be build appropriately and maybe we would fill in that blank at that point. But um Kirby, you did get with a engineering firm that worked with Roosevelt City and so to check to see if if we were unable ourselves to mark those lines if we were just contract that out because we are short-handed um what that cost would be to Roosevelt City.

Yeah. So that number came in close to $80,000. But there was some changes on how many roads, right, that they you know they cut down on the roads and stuff. So it would be a little adjustment there obviously because originally we're talking all the roads, right?

But so there's some adjustment but that was the number that I've got that was and I can go one step further than that. In fact, we're very used to managing that portion of it ourselves. So instead of the city having to manage direct uh locators to come out and actually locate facilities, we would do it and then send documentation to your guys division who could prove it and ensure that it's done correctly and we would take on all the responsibility for contracting the university and paying for those contracts as well. And that's not unusual for us to do.

Okay, that's that's normal. and and in fact uh we have reached out to a few different companies to essentially say that this might be a possibility because we know that there's a shortand

just wanted to make clarification that everybody understands that a lot of our lines because of the age and what type they are there's not trace wire with them. We can work them to the best of our ability but I can't guarantee that's exactly where they're at which I'm sure you guys understand that but I just want everybody to be aware of that. you know, the newer lines, the ones that we started putting trace wire with, that's not an issue. But the older translate lines, galvanized lines, steel lines, you know, unless you can locate them, you know, with a locator, they will be, you know, a lot of them we see, but there's some we still aren't sure. So,

yeah. And when it comes to that kind of situation operationally, we would identify those lines on with your help and we would just completely avoid it. So, essentially, we would say, okay, this is not identifiable. What do we do to set back to ensure that we stay out of gear when we set back out of the air and you know you're I think it's translate lines. Yes. But essentially one of those areas we will not go down those we're just avoiding and not so excellent. Okay. So how far what's the buffer you know um from a structure it does vary. So

and it depends I mean you can also change the drive level of the vehicle. Um, so I mean if if we had the large vibes and three of them, it's 300 foot if we're driving as hard as can be. So we obviously we're not going to be driving as hard as can be and we're not big bringing the big vibes in town. Um, so before we start, we will have PPV monitors go out and actually test from the vibe out to see what that distance needs to be for the actual vibes we're using. So you are avoiding proximity to structures for the most part. Yes. You're creating that. Okay. That's true.

Cuz because you know city infrastructure is one thing, but every individual in the city has their own infrastructure they're probably concerned about. And that's one of the reasons why we run the PP is because we want baselines to understand how we're affecting that that local environment in particular homes, uh, buildings, cement structures, all of that stuff is all in consideration for how close can we get to that without having some sort of reaction to the to the facility or to the building itself. So, we run the PPV and we actually ensure that we're we're under what is recommended. we are less than what is recommended at all times and again that also benefits TGS or whoever we're operating out there because it lessens our liability or any type of issue that we could run into. So for us realistically our mandate is to get the best quality data without affecting any of the surface operations meaning land owners, cities, towns without somehow you know affecting them negatively in

good question maybe on a more of a selfish nature but in your experience you have issues with other very utility infrastructure say fiber optic lines or electric lines. Usually fiber optic is typically they have tracer warners on all activities generally don't interfere with that. I've never had an issue with it with ves. The only thing if you were penetrating the ground then there could be a potential but with the ves we don't penetrate the ground so it's not drilling a hole. Thank you. Yeah. Great. Good discussion so far. Any other questions?

I just had one. So, Councilman Barrett mentioned kind of what's the benefit to the city. Um, you're collecting data. One thing sounds like with working with Kirby, finding the water lines, you might have a better map, especially on ones that we're not sure and you would share that. If if there were any I I know you're collecting data specifically probably oil related, right? And and those kind of things. if there's anything you find that might be of concern that Roosevelt City should be aware of. Is that something you'd be sharing as well with us?

Well, I I think that comes back to to our clients, which in this case for Roosevelt area is SM. Now, SM does the interpretation of the data itself. Okay. So the data that we're getting essentially is identifying geohhazards and geological zones below the earth multiple zones below the earth sometimes up to 20,000 ft plus right so realistically they do the interpretation but what it allows the the producing company like is it gives them certainty on what they're doing with their business right

and in today's day and age u we all know that activity on the surface is sometimes looked at negatively, but if they can mitigate those activities by understanding what's under the subsurface, it significantly helps companies like SM to do that and to work more with the communities and not only that, but develop in a more ecological mindful way in the community. And I think you guys might have seen the letter from SM that 20 cent. I mean it's crucial in today's day and age for them to have seismic data everywhere we go. Most of them will not be without data. And I know we talk a lot about uh benefit to let's say Roosevelt or individuals that were permitting, but I mean just even having our crews in this area, we've done initial anal analysis on value. We feel we're going to be bringing $2.5 million to the local community just with the seismic acquisition alone. That's not to say SM and any of the other participants because our surveys when we finished them they are up to bid and we've just signed a deal with Crescent. I can say that with you that Crescent is now participating in the survey as well. They have the opportunity to buy that data and utilize that data for their service as well which in turn means industry economics there's benefits back to this community for long term. So we'll have the data for 20 years no matter who's here that data is available to them for purchase to be able to evaluate. So one of the advantages of us TGS is once we finish the survey there's not a requirement for somebody else can shoot it

because they can just come to us and say yeah I need a copy of this and we say yeah this much and we say thank you and walk away. So, our model lends itself to these types of things where we'll be here, there'll be four or five days of shaking in this area. There'll be a 2 weeks of seeing trucks going and laying a few geopones up and suddenly we'll be gone and we'll never see another recording back into the city or you shouldn't have to because the data is available to all. We don't uh we don't make proprietary where we don't sell it to somebody. Thank you. Any other questions?

I'm wondering with all of the new things you've presented with the city how Kirby's feeling about it. Well, some things obviously I have mixed feelings on, but uh I uh overall, you know, not have experienced this type of anything obviously going in our town, but I just all I can do is what I've done just make you guys aware of what potentially could go wrong, what potentially I'm worried about, you know, but the final decision obviously is with you. But uh and I've expressed everything I possibly could, the roads, the transside lines, you know, and everything that comes with that. But uh other than that, you know, there's always some concerns kind of a decision that I don't have to make myself. That's it.

I think the one thing we just we always go back to is even though we sign from a land owner, city or municipality or any any number of of communities, it doesn't lock them in to this is exactly how we're going to do it. We ensure that we are still in talks with the individuals or with the the main proponents of it and we continue to evolve. We are very very uh elastic. We can we can adjust on the fly very quickly. So if things are identified and Kirby comes up to us and says, "Hey, I'm a little concerned here." We make the changes on the spot. And we do it right now. And again, the permit is to allow us rights to to uh explore over top and and requ record a seismic operation. It still doesn't give us the rights to jeopardize infrastructure or damage things within this community. That's why we stand behind our product and say we will repair those things. That's just always there. There's no question about that.

Excuse me. I'll uh I just want to throw something in there, too. And I appreciate Kirby's comments about, you know, he's given us all the information he can. Um you guys have been very good to mitigate those concerns. And and I agree with you, Kirby. This is something that we shouldn't shouldn't lay on the head of a staff member. So, if you get it wrong, then it's like, well, you messed up and you advise us wrong. So, I think this is something that the council needs to we've been well informed. Uh, if we feel like we need more information, we can do that. But ultimately, just know that this is something that we're we're elected to do. And so, it's going to be our responsibility to kind of shoulder that. So, just in depend, you know, just making sure we appreciate your recommendations, but we don't want any staff to feel like, well, you screwed up and you didn't tell us exactly. And so just know that

we appreciate your input and we appreciate you saying that. So I have one other question. So and then we'll go to the contract. I know the contract is with the city. There's contracts with homeowners to put the little sensors there. But um the liability, the bond, everything is that cover the land owners within the city or only city infrastructure? Well, right now it's covering the city. So essentially the whole city including structures within the city that aren't owned by the city included everything within the city. So the bond that we post will be with the city.

Okay. And within the contract it it also has language that includes it's not going to exclude any you know private infrastructure outside I guess city infrastructure. We definitely try not to. So we want to make sure that's not like hidden in there somewhere. Not right now. I don't I don't anticipate I really hope that there's no issues and I I don't anticipate that anyone in the city will have issues with what you've said, but just want to make sure we're covered. It's not in the document right now, but if it's the direction you guys want to go, my recommendation would be that we expand it fairly substantially.

Yeah. And that's and that's fine. The last thing we want is unity to the contract itself. We want to ensure that it's straightforward and clear. Clear language, straightforward to ensure that everybody is covered and there's no dis. Thank you for for your clarification. Appreciation. Appreciate it. You had a comment. Yeah. Had one question in regards to like the warranty period. It sounds like you're in out pretty quick. Yes. If there is damage, it may not be knowable for a certain amount of time. So, what is the years? Five years. There's a fivey year.

Yeah. So, it's a $1.5 million bond uh that's in place for 5 years following the service and just to put it into some scope. Uh I just went back on the program that was 10 years old just recently and it was because there was a drill hole that there was an art teaching well so it's flowing water out of it and we sent ri so so that

if we're responsible for it we will come and make it that's essentially what we do and that's why our reputation that we stand on reputation when it comes to this this sort of thing and I mean it's not uncommon for us to get calls half a year later, even a year later, and like it's something like that. There's a flowing hole. They didn't even realize it was there. And suddenly they come back and say, "Hey, listen. This thing's flowing water." We went back and for 36 bags of vent drill, drilled it right in, plugged it all up. So you imagine how big the cavern was in the bottom water 35 bags. So it's up here pops up on my property. We'll probably let it go.

I think he was just all of a sudden appears. He's only going to be councilman for two and a half minutes. This is our last meeting. Any other questions, concerns, thoughts? Grant, do you have anything to add? Just waiting for direction. I'm just thankful that the council who's taken our seats here in a couple weeks are here. I think this is important for them to be informed on this as we leave. So, thank you for being here. That's fair. Rowdy, you've been pretty quiet. Do you have any thoughts, comments?

I think everything I mean, we've beat this up pretty good. been a lot of questions. Um, after the last meeting, I definitely was concerned. Uh, I think most of those concerns have been put to rest now with this meeting. A lot more information than that. Sounds to me like, and then I'm trusting in these guys and they're the company, but seems to be like they know what they're doing and uh, I think I have a good amount of trust in them.

Appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. I will just say um really quickly there was a comment Dave you made that there isn't anything directly to benefit our citizens but indirectly we're all benefit by the oil and gas industry and I will just say that I mean we want to be a good partner that way we just want to make sure that we don't cause any additional uh burden on just the residents of Roosevelt city. So, I just wanted to clarify that that we do recognize that the industry, the oil and gas industry drives our economy. And so, um, we do want to be good neighbors, but we also want to be good stewards of the responsibility that we have. And I guess that's the best way to put that. So, um, with that, is there any any direction from the council? Any motions? uh one way or the other so we can let Kougland and PGS know what to do and staff give some direction to staff. I I haven't said much this meeting about this, but I feel like as long as we can have the concerns that we have addressed that that we proceed with contract with doing the land survey. um that may take some legal work and and different things, but but I think it'll be a benefit to our area to to know more about what is under our city and and how we can capitalize on that.

So, is that a motion? Yes. Okay. So, we have a motion. Um mayor, could So, I was just going to Can we add with grants approval or grants revisions that were recommended the legal council review. Yeah. What were you saying same in comment? Yeah. Yeah. Expanding the provisions to include and make sure that we've got coverage for homeowners and anyone with infrastructure in the city. And then you also said the the rate or whatever for the which is perfect. Yeah. I didn't I didn't specify that but that was hopefully implied.

Yeah. And it sounds like and it maybe I'm looking at this and I read a little you know read briefly before the meeting but um it sounds like contract fees if we were to contract people to help or if that you were to contract people to assist in line marking things like that that would be covered making sure that those provisions are added. Yeah. In fact I think we reached out to engineering to see if they had capabilities to come and locate as well. Okay. And we have them under contract with us right now as well.

Great. So, sounds like the motion is to proceed with legal counsel review. Um, and I would well I would I would ask is there a second to the motion? Second by Councilman Allen. And you had a comment. So legal counsel review that that would encomp just clarification that encompasses ensuring there are provisions in there to cover or expanding the contract to make sure one thing that might that I think would put everyone at ease is if we motion to move forward uh contingent on grant looking at the contract making modifications and then bringing a final contract back to council maybe in a forthcoming meeting that we kind of put to bed some of the concerns, but then at least you could address the the provisions that were added tonight and make sure that they're all included and just finalize something that we can actually look at because it is a little bit too open-ended in my mind to just go ahead and say, "Yeah, let's just sign off on it." But it sounds like we are in favor of it. Let's get those provisions in it. Bring a final contract or draft back before the council in a in a follow-up meeting. How does that sound? That sound good?

Sounds good. Still a second. Okay. All in favor? I. Any opposed? Okay. Motion passes. Thank you. We did all the hard work. Now you guys just get to approve it when it's all finalized. I don't blame it on you. Hey, we didn't approve it. And you can't blame it on me anyway. I don't even know. That's right.

We did have on the meeting agenda the Cedar View Montwell um agreements. We did send those out to Cedar Vmont well to get feedback. We are anticipating that we might get some feedback from them before this meeting. We have not received that. So I don't think it's pertinent that we go over those again. Um, however, I will be attending their meeting tomorrow to see if they do have any feedback and where we're at, although that will land in your guys's lap, probably next month as well. So, but I'll do everything I can. Uh, if you want to go, Tommy, I think it's 5:30 tomorrow. Yeah. So, we'll jump to the next one, which is the Rider Shooting Complex Earth Work Bid Award. Right.

I'll hand this out. Okay. Just a little brief history. We've been working on the gun range for about 15 years. We've been waiting for a grant since Rowdy was on the council several years ago. But we did get the grant and now we're moving forward finally with uh yeah a lot of the excavation and and things taking place. So Jeff, go ahead and take away. Okay. Um down

Jeff Jones and engineering. So see I can make sure she gets that in minutes. But um so we we've been working with Ryan um many of you heard. So, this was a bid that we put out for um the earth work for the long range uh portion and there's a multi-purpose range for archery and and other smaller things like that. So, um it's about 30,000 cubic yards of earth moving efforts um utilizing material on site on the project. So, it was advertised um through the the state procurement website um which has been a good thing that we've seen lots of bids come in. So, like on the bid openings day, we had 11 bids turned in on time and one 20 minutes late. So, 12 bids, which is quite some interest. So, um, uh, so the obviously the lowest bidder ended up not submitting everything they needed to for per the bidding documents, the requirements. They didn't have a big form filled out um, with the signature and a few other things. Um, the next lowest bidder was only $3,500 more. 3,900 30. What is that math?

36 35 $3,550 um more and they did submit everything that was required according to the bidding documents. Um, so our recommendation is that they would be the lowest responsive responsible bidder according to what was put out and that would be Col Mountain Construction LLC out of Virgin, Utah. Um, with a bid of $143,900, which is also quite a bit better than we kind of anticipated being as well. The engineers estimate was about 225,000. So, pretty good bid and all of them were very competitive. Um, we were able to call some references on the coal mount construction and then they came back really great. Everybody that they worked with before was very supportive and they did an awesome job. So really don't have any concerns. Um, Ryan was at the bid opening. Mayor, you were there. I don't know anything else you want to add.

No, I just appreciate the work that went into it and I am grateful to see the interest that we had when we bid the some of the other projects before we had two or three interested parts. I see that many. Um, and I agree with Jones and Devale's recommendation of the Collab Mountain Construction. Our procurement policy does say that, you know, the lowest responsive responsible bidder and uh they were the lowest ones to fulfill all of the requests that we have. And so I would I would agree with what Jeff proposed. Yeah. Right.

Yeah. I just want to add to that, too. Also, we looked up the referrals. We called them all the day. Everything was positive, so we felt comfortable with co-op. Great. Any questions for Jeff from the council? I would move we approve. I'll second it. Okay, we have a motion and a second. All in favor? Any opposed? Yeah, Barrett was the second. Sorry, mayor. I'm I'm really surprised it came that low. I expected it to be higher based on past earth work. So, I'm glad to see we're going to have money for other things for that.

I agree. That'll help us to, you know, put in a few more um amenities out there, which will be good. We want to I I don't know if we have Do we have the bathrooms similar to what we put at the nature park included in the overall project? I'm going to say yes. Okay. I think the one thing that Ryan and I have been talking about is, you know, obviously it's great to get this going. we know what's the first step, but there's kind of been a committee already formed in the past, right? And I think that committee needs to lead again to discuss obviously the bathrooms are high importance too, right? But we have a fixed budget and it's a decent amount of money, but what's the priority on where we go next?

Tommy, I was on that committee. Did we already go through the appointment part of the portion of the meeting? I proposed to the council to appoint J.R. Bird on the gun range committee. Just an FYI, just Anyway, those bathrooms are spendy, but they're probably the way to go. I mean, I don't really don't know if you're going to get away with anything cheaper. Yeah. And and they're nice and easy to maintain, I think. And the city's able to do most of themselves. So,

it is part of our obligation as far as conditional use permit from from Ballard. And so we do have to have some type of restroom amenities out there. Yeah. Awesome. Thanks, Jeff. Do we have any Did we see the purchase orders go down? Yes. Yeah. I move we approve the financials. Okay. We have a motion to approve. I'll second. Second by Councilman White. All in favor? I. That's unanimous. Um, department update. I don't know. That's kind of why I skipped over that one. I don't know.

That's Josh usually has one department come present, but he's under the weather, I think, mayor. So, I don't know that we'll have Yeah, we don't have a department. Do you have anything for us, Ryan? Just a couple things. We got to get this to last a little longer. You got a bet, so I figured there were no bets going on.

We'll do it with the new crew. Um, first of all, just to kind of give you an update too this morning. So, we got a lot going on. It's winter and things are wrapping up, ramping up with gun range. I'm sure we're going to see construction out there soon. But also, we had our preconstruction meeting for pedestrian crossing on State Street. You will see some action there starting January 12th. So um depending on the weather, right? Um so hope it holds up for the public that doesn't know that's to connect our trail system from the nature park over behind strata.

So that that's a major portion of that project. Yeah. Um second thing Josh would be really excited if I announce this so I better do it. So Santa Parade is Thursday the 18th. We'll be starting at 4:30 from here. Um the cops will be involved with the fire truck as well. Mayor, are you going to be attending that? Somebody's uh Santa if he's sick. I hear he's going to be all right.

Okay. This is like one of them Hallmark. Say Christmas. Anyway, it starts at 4:30. It'll end at 6:30. Everyone has put a new post out on the map. Um the route we're doing, we're going to do the same route as last year. So, our first stop will be at Constitution Park and then we'll end here at City Building. Correct. Yep. Okay. Got the elementary schools in the middle of that, too. I think we've got over 300 gifts. It's been a lot of wrapping the past couple of days.

Glad we have some help. Starting to get us right now.

And last thing I wanted to say was um I mean I'm kind of mixed emotions on this so just bear with me on this one for a minute. But I I'm just appreciative of every one of you and I think I'm saying this on behalf of our staff. Um I'm 100% confident in that. And one of the blessings of working in admin, I get to hear um everyone in the staff and also rub shoulders with each and every one of you. And and it's it's a bittersweet. We we're we're going to miss the three of you and we're excited for the three of you to be joining us. So, um I just wanted to say thank you, Mayor Bird, Dave B, and Dustin for all the hard work, dedication that you've shown to the city and and the support that you've showed the staff. Um, and I don't know how to express that. I'm probably not the best person to do this, but I just know that you can go home and and feel good about what you've done here for the city and for the staff. So, in behalf of the staff, we thank you for what you've done and and excited to work with you. So,

Amen. Thank you. Thank you guys. Well, I just have to say it's been one of the greatest blessings I've had to work with Roosevelt City staff. So, um going to miss it. And then also there's some things that I'm not going to miss, but the people I'll definitely miss. So, thank you.

Committee reports. Um you have anything for us, though? I don't. But I'll be the one he won't miss, but he'll miss the others. And that's fine. But I I I just I just want to say thanks again to the mayor and Councilman Barrett and Councilman White for their service and and all their hard work for Roosevelt City. I've appreciated how much they care for the city and want to do what's best. And and I like the direction. You know, nothing's ever perfect, but I think we've got a lot of good things going on. And it's a lot because of these men here. So, I I just appreciated being here on the council and learning from them. Thanks, Don. Appreciate that. And we will I will miss you. I'm just going to

just for the record. You want to clarify that? Just to see your faces and to raise a little maybe and maybe to campaign. Yeah, too. You have anything, Councilman White? Nothing to report. Council,

I don't have anything to report, but I also just want to say thanks to staff. It's been really good working with you guys, and it's been good working with this council. I love the city of Roosevelt. Um, Grant, it's been great working with you. I feel like I've made a lot of good friends serving in this position. And so, I just really appreciate this opportunity that I've had. Thanks. You know, appreciate the citizens of Roosevelt for putting their faith and trust in me. And, uh, yeah. So, oh, what what I was going to say, I love that all three of us are giving up our seats willingly. There was no, you know, fights politically to, you know, you guys had to deal with your own little fights on on the battleground, but but I just like that that we have term limits. I think that's a great great thing for our city and uh I trust that you guys who are coming in are going to do a great job. So, thanks for running and excited for you guys to serve.

Thank you. I do appreciate terms as well. I don't have anything nothing to report, but I'll echo those same sentiments. Appreciate all of you and the work you've done. Thank you. Same thing. Yeah. Ditto. Six years went pretty quick. Great. Incredibly fast. It's been a good ride. It's been fun. And And hopefully we've left the city in a position where you guys can do something with it. Well, if there's nothing else, would entertain my move to journ. All in favor?