Advisory Plan Commission - Regular Meeting

All right, we'll go ahead call to order um our uh meeting for uh February 10th, 2025 or uh Charleston Advisory Planning Commission meeting. I do want to mention before we um move on to so I don't forget that this meeting is being livereamed by Under Productions Incorporated. So, uh, please, uh, join me in standing for the pledge of allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right, we'll go ahead and do a roll call. I'm Ron Blevens. uh present and Wayne Bergen here. Marty Clark here. Harold Goodley here. Brian Hester here. Desi Lucio here. John Palmer here. Okay. So, we'll determine that we do have a quorum. Um I get a a motion to entertain the u the agenda. So, move We have a motion by Councilman Hester. Second. Second by John Palmer. All in favor say I. I. I have it. Uh, everyone have a chance to look over the, uh, previous minutes. Okay. Get a motion. Can I get a motion to approve? So move. Okay. A motion made by Harold Gill. Second. Second by Councilman Hester. All in favor say I. Hi. All right. Unanimous.

Um, is there any public comment? Don't see any. Okay. Like there's no old business. Uh, we'll move on to new business. Uh, the first new business, we have the preliminary plat approval for town homes of Southern Commons. Harold Good's here to represent. Good evening for the record. My name is Harold Hart with Hart Surveying Engineering, 958 Water Street. U if I may got a bigger set of drawings for you all to look at. Help. I will have permission to approach this. and carry out just a few other Did you print [Music] again? My name is Harold Hart. I'm here on behalf of uh Chase Murphy Enterprises. The development that we're looking at considering tonight is over at Southern Commons. and it consists of 28 individual lots, but there's actually only 14 duplexes being built on the 28. The division line will go down the division line of the actual structure

yourself. The type of duplexes that we're looking at is similar to what was constructed in the town of S, excuse me, in the town of Salsburg off what they call sweet anyway. And that kind of gives you a view, street view of what the look of the duplexes that Mr. Chase is proposing. Uh the preliminary plat shows our connection to the existing sanitary sewer system and what we're trying to do far as drainage and detention in the street configuration. We are ending in a culde-sac at this moment because it's pretty much landlocked around it. What borders us is the city of Charles Town wastewater treatment plant and the apartment complex of Shamrock Properties. Be glad to answer any questions if there are any. the notification been sent out to everyone in the area right now. Yes, sir. Home owners. Has there been any feedback? No, there's been no monsters on this. Okay. It's pretty much it's a plan unit development. So, it's pretty much everybody knew. It's actually a section that said it's already been approved for PUB and it's just actually a section people are expecting. There is actually going to be another one like across the street. Not town homes, but single homes. So Tony, they're continuing to build those homes in that center section right there. Right. Right. Yes. That's part of what this is. Yeah. This is on the outside of that. Right. This is if you look in the vicinity map, you'll see where we have site and then what I'm going to call the centerpiece of uh Southern Commons is the single family residential stretch and then on the other side is your town homes duplexes. Yes. Right. Okay. Along where the waste the property line for the city of Charleston stuff, will there be any type of like strokes or something to We'll probably leave that vegetation buffer right now. What we have to do is

once it's approved, we'll get to the final design and see what we need to do far as grading and uh potentially putting in ditches and everything on there, but we're going to try to leave some type of tree buffer there. Okay. And you said how many how many total homes? Uh that there would be actually 28 individual units, but there's 14 duplexes if you look at the structure itself. Yeah. What do you think in your opinion? What do you think the expected uh timeline would be for the completion of the project tomorrow? Tomorrow. That's what my client would like to hear. But uh no, if we can get approval tonight, then the next next motion is to get for my firm is to get the construction plans to the city for approval. So, we'd like to start construction right in the middle of spring if we could. And can I ask a question? Are So, these are condos. Are you selling these condos? Mr. Chase is yes, that's my understanding. Okay. And then so what price range would they be coming in at? Do we have I'm just the surveyor and engineer, so I don't get into the I don't have that information. I'm not holding you. I just don't know. Once it gets into the design, that's really know. I mean, Jason has probably got an idea, but I never thought about asking that question. Harold, this isn't where the they're doing the work now is. No, that is that's the liies. Yeah. Is this I've asked Tony too that he said there was a sidewalks in here? Yes, there are. Yes, everything will be ADA. Yes, it'll be a continuation of the internal sidewalks that's already inside the development. Yes, sir. Is there multiple access points like for emergency services? Just the one access is all we have room to do on this development. Yes, those patio homes have had terrible issues of drainage. Is this going to affect them at all? Are they patio homes? They they in the centerpieces. No,

no, he's talking about the ones on the far side where they're building the liies. Oh, where are they building the lilies? No, it will be any. No, this drainage system actually unfortunately there is a regional detention base in there, but due to the terrain, everything falls from Harmony Lane and heads towards the wastewater treatment plant. So, what we're planning on doing is putting our drainage facility under retention to come in here and connect. And I've already spoke with Mr. Tim Crawford with the city about just working with him to be sure where a discharge point can go and cause the least amount of problems for the city. Run to those payments. They've had I've already been in contact. That's the last thing I want to get is a phone call say, "Hey, by the way, okay." And the sewers are going to be connected. Where are they? The sanitary sewer. There is an existing sanitary sewer between The reason I'm asking, it seemed like the water company had such a hard time getting their sanitary tap in. Oh, I Well, far as we're tapping in, there's a sanitary sewer right here, but it's exist between the two adjacent uh apartment buildings, and that's where we're planning on ting. We coordinate that with Mr. Tim Crawford. That was the connection point that was set up for this development. Now, who would be responsible for the the detention area to maintain it? That would be uh I think it's part of your SWIP or your plan that you have you're working on getting approved. I believe correct me if I'm wrong, Tony. I think that the developer is responsible for five years and that will get handed over to the homeowners association or whatever he has set up and is restricted with covenant ordinances. Tony, will they allow any parking on the road right there? It's 50 foot wide, right? So the rightway is 50 foot. The road is two 12T lanes with two foot curve. So it be 25 ft from back of curb to the back of curb. And so that you know that's what we had designed for right now. And each home has its own driveway which if you

look at the photography I think that that the photo everything has been set up to where everybody parks in their respective driveway and not on the road. Chase, he don't like people parking on the roads. That's why you don't see it up there. Kind of becomes emergency issue ones, right? All the utilities are underground. Yes, sir. The street lighting. That was something I could talk to Mr. Chase about. Mr. Murphy about to be sure we get that put in there if it's a requirement. I mean, that's what we wanted in it. I mean, right. We just don't have the requirement yet. It'll be in our We're getting ready to redo our zoning codes anyway. Okay. I can be sure that I can talk to Mr. Murphy about it or consider about putting something at the end of the street and maybe strategically placed somewhere to help illuminate the area. Yeah, cuz that that might get a little dark there where the apartments have their lights in. They already have their lights. They probably need that. Okay. I'll be sure to put something in. I think the city's going to a certain type of lighting ring. I mean the fixture type like like what's down the highway and stuff, right? Yeah. I'll get that information from you, Tom. Okay. Tony, on a duplex, how do you share your property line at the back? It's zero property line. So, cut the grass. Who cuts the grass? Is that obviously they'll have to line that up and figure out the property line will extend the property line will extend all the way from the front and bisect the building and go all the way to the back. So that's what I'm saying. So that would be the property line. Yes. Right. So that' be part of that. Trying to think about how you would Well, would they have like a privacy fence established in the back between the two properties if they're if they're allowed to? I've seen some like in Jeff they have like a a divider privacy divider between them for between the two because normally there's like sliders on the back. We don't we don't have a requirement for but so that's going to be an optional I guess on the build or the owner then they would want to do something. Okay.

Yeah. If you put a it'd be like any other property line, but if it goes on in Indiana, if you put it on the property line, it becomes a shared fence, which if Chase put it on there, then it's a shared fence anyway. All right. The only reason I ask is it's a any other property line, but doesn't the property line go through the middle of your house. Yes. So, that's why I Yeah, that's that wall. It's kind of a quasi common regime buildings. Well, it's just vinyl sighting type. I mean, that's what I understand. When I talked to Mr. Chase Murphy, I said, "Are you looking at doing the same thing you did on Sweet Amy Way?" And he said, "Yes." Okay. See no fire issues? No. I I think it's enough for them to turn around a fire truck, you know, 50 foot through there. Okay. And the minimum Yeah. Yeah. And the minimum space between I got the buildings is actually 14 ft which is help if there is an eaves or something like that it meets the fire code. So that far off 7 ft off each property line. Okay. Okay. Any other any other questions or discussions [Music] make a We make a motion to uh to approve. So move. Motion made by Councilman Hester. Second by Marty Clark. All in favor say I. I. All right. Eyes have it. Unanimous vote. All right. So we'll um move forward to the to the next business. And that is the preliminary plat approval for Thompson Street.

Same thing. So did all the introduction. If I may, let me hand these out just a little bit. I'd rather give you too much information. [Music] Okay, this is at the end of what we refer to as the west end of uh Thompson Street. If you go up to Spring, you can take a left. This is the dead end piece of property. Most people refer to it as the the old Buckner estate. Uh the subdivision is comprised of I think it's 3.3 acres and we are looking at platting uh 26 lots but two of the two of the 26 are really common areas for detention infrastructure that type of scenario. So we're really looking at 24 buildable lots. Uh the type of home that we are looking at is what I handed out to you. The general footprint is a 28 by 30. It's just a hair, you only count the one A and two stories. It's just I think it was just right under 1,700 square ft. But the home will be on that. Uh what we're planning on doing is the

way the property the way the property is configured the drainage will go towards lot 20 or be configured there where we will uh put in a that's where the b the tension basin will be and then we'll release it go down the uh 15t drainage and utilities ement and send it on into Pleasant Run. We are working with Mr. Kalin. He did sign parts in the application because of the interesting configuration of where Thompson Street dead ends and then how the existing property lines are configured. U Mr. Kalin of uh Kalin Property Solutions will be signing portion of the plat. So we are actually be creating a uh little bit bigger rideway there at Thompson Street. Uh due to the length of the culde-sac, we put this configuration of a knuckle in uh where we have it says where it says rope carve typical and what we have is 18 ft on the north side and that'll be a one way and then the other will be 16 ft. So in case there is something weird going on, emergency vehicles can get around that have an option go either way on that knuckle to get over to the to the culde-sac if something was to drastically happen obstruct the vehicular entrance of the fire trucks. I have two bigger sheets. It kind of just shows how the housing will look except on the lots nobody. And I kind of show you how the footprint. I know when you first see the configuration, you're like, "Oh my gosh, look at all the homes, but when you kind of see the homes, how they sit on the property, and kind of gives you a better idea of how we're trying to infill that." And like I said, all the the I think the minimum distance I have and between any homes is actually 14 ft from wall to wall.

A lot of your subdivisions, you only see 10 or six. Yeah. Harold, I talked to Tony about water supply doing going back Thompson that's has to be a very small life going back correct it's not going to be adequate for this we're already on that we've had discussions uh we had a conference call Shane Udic is the uh he's the uh he is the representative of Charleston Development LLC and we've already worked this out we're putting together the heritage engineering is actually doing the engineering on this one I'm doing the plaque but is working with that we've already been in contact with any American water and they have set up an agreement that they're going to come off the existing water line in Spring Street and install a brand new 8 in line all the way to the end of the culde-sac 8 in. Yes, it'll be a hydra. Yes, there will be fire hydrants set every I think four or 500 ft is what the ordinance or regulations require. We'll be putting an 8 inch line down there. What's nice about that situation is is it'll also help facilitate the development of the Kalin solutions. If that decides to be sold or developed in a more dense fashion than what we know of today, then they can also tap into that 8 in line. There was another is back there on lot like 15 and 16. How close is that to the retention basin that the school has back? Oh, that's on the east side. That's on the east side. Yes. It's not back on that area there. No. And we're se and I can answer that cuz we're working on the plan on that. You're probably 100 ft away from that detention base, but that's all going to be fenced in. Well, yeah. On the school property. I'm the engineer for the Greater Clark County. Yeah. So, we're going to be putting fences all around. And again, like I was sidewalks, ADA. Yes. Everything will be ADA compliant. Yes, sir. I guess we talked about the lighting and stuff, too. Yes. There'll be curves and Yes. This one here is going to have the

the minimum width of a roadway will be the 24 ft, you know, 12 two 12t lanes and then two foot curbs on each side. And I'll be sure to deal with the engineer about the lighting and be sure that we have all the sidewalks, but I believe that's the case. And we'll add this to the list of no on street parking because it's only got one way out. So, right. And I've spoke to Tony about that. You know, cuz when Thompson Street comes down, it starts out fairly wide, but as it works its way down, it gets like 13 ft. And I spoke to Tony about maybe getting that on the community crossings and trying to widen that. So that will actually be tying into a 24 foot wide road that that's actually within the the existing rideway of Thompson Street. just a little will that have like bushes or just going to be grass or I think they plan on putting a actually if I remember the lighting plan there is a light that's going to go there and they're going to put some type of low shrub or landscaping in that area that is going to carry a Thompson Thompson Street address. Yes, it is continuation of Thompson Street. Yes, sir. Is there a lot on the other side of this development where it turns? Well, the if you were project the road on out that is still the Wheeler property and then south of us is the other half of call the Buckner property and that's under Kalin Properties and he's looking at trying to develop or do something on his segment of the property as well. And then everything else is right up against the uh existing Pleasant Ridge subdivision plat or the original city. And there's enough elevation there for the sewers. Have to get that discussion. No, what ends up happening? You're

asking great questions. We reserved a 20ft sewer between these two lots. So, uh, Heritage is planning on setting some type of manhole here. will come down here and we are going to also be getting a 25 ft 20 or 25 ft sanitary sewer utility for Mr. Kalin and we're tying into this manhole here and the drop is 581 and the manhole is at 5 556. So we have 20 foot of drop. So connection to the exit. We're going to be tying into the manhole that's part of the 36 inch gravity line. I thought it looked like it laid lower back there. Way lower. Yes, sir. Yeah. We've been in contact with Mr. Crawford about that and how he wants to tie into that manual so doesn't cause him any heartburn later. And has there been any remostants on this? No. Agreed. Is this what the house is coming? Yes, that's what they're planning on put. Well, these homes, this is the twotory that I handed out to you. I don't know if it's the same in the package installed. Okay. It's funny. One one time they talked about the city trying to develop some of that. Is there any more talk about that? That's kind of went away. Yeah. Okay. There any more questions? More discussion? All right. So, uh, we'll need, um, we'll need a motion to, um, approve the prelim preliminary plan approval on Thompson Street. I'll make a motion. Okay. Motion made by Wayne Bergen. Second by Daisy. Okay. Um, all in favor say I. I.

And that. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. See you later. Is there anything else? Any other discussions? Okay. So, get a motion to adjurnn. I'll make that motion. Motion by Wayne. Second by Esther. We are ajourned.