Fiscal Court Committees - Regular Meeting

committee meeting. Hope that's what everyone's here for. And start off action item from previous meeting where we talked about taking care of the Colesburg Road.

Yeah, I'll start off by saying that we have some guests here today from the Colesburg community. If you want to stand up and so everyone sees you, that you are in the Colesburg, you live in Colesburg community and on Colesburg Road, which is the road that we've been, I guess, working with for the last couple of years. to improve the safety issue on that road. We've made a lot of progress. It's taken a little while, but we've made some progress. We did talk about it in committee last month, and I asked Judge Tall to expedite so we could get a resolution, and he, in fact, has done that. So we've got some good news to share with you today and understand that you are here to show your thanks and support of Hardin County government, our county engineer that's also been working on this issue, the road department. Of course, I've been working with you for a little bit now and Judge Tall, and we truly appreciate your attendance at this meeting. I know that you don't have a voice here at the meeting, but we do have a letter we're going to share here in a little while, which demonstrates your voice. And we truly appreciate the fact that you've joined us today to show your support. So many times, if we have someone here, it's in some sort of opposition or something. So it's always good when we can... We keep it on a positive note and we hear good things from our community members. I'm going to ask Mark Absher, our engineer, to update us briefly about what he's got planned for you.

We looked at this location and we're going to add a lot of additional signs, a lot of additional rumplestrips. You're going to be really happy with what you see out there. But right now we just had to order some stuff. because we don't keep that stuff in stock. So it's on order, just waiting on that for rumplestrips, new signs, new warning signs. And it's all meets the MATCD, so we're not exceeding it, but we're coming really close to the maximum we can do out there. And then we've got new speed trailers in, borrowed from the state. We're going to have to pay anything for them. So we're working on them right now, trying to make sure they work before we put them out there. And you see, and you're like, ah, there it is. I want it to actually work first. So we test it out in front of Michael's house. And it seems like it's working. We just can't get the data off of it yet. It seems to have an effect. I don't know for sure if Michael can answer that.

Yes, I think it did. It dropped the average rate of speed on my road. And then the signs on the rumble strips, they are on order. They've been on order for a little while. Actually, I checked on that earlier in the week, and my vendor was – expecting them at his facility by August 13th. So hopefully I get them next week.

That's great news. Just to give you a little bit of history, this particular strip of road, and I know we discussed it last month, it's a short distance, but it's very, very high on, I guess, safety issues as far as the homes being close to the house and traffic that may not always obey the speed limit. So we've already had a couple of incidences where children have been hit. um and there it's just it's just a lot of uncertainty when you walk out your door and you don't know who's going to be speeding by and at what time of night or what time of day and and so the community reached out to us and we've worked hard to respond and i i think in the next 30 days you'll you'll see the results with that One of the members here today, Ashley, where's Ashley? She wrote a letter to county government. That's what it's addressed to. And I think Judge Tall has the letter and he's going to share that with us.

Yeah, I'll be happy to. Just to comment, you know, I realize this has been kind of a long time coming. It's one of the things that we were looking at. We were hoping really that there was a way to possibly actually shut the road down and not have through traffic. So we looked at a lot of different meetings and different attempts to see if that was even possible, and it really wasn't. But that was a suggestion by one of the residents that live on the road, a few of them actually, when I was down there. So that took a while to kind of move through that and just kind of make sure that that was or was not an option. So that kind of drug things out a little bit. It's been a bit of a process. So I appreciate your all's patience. And I'll just go ahead and read the letter that you guys sent to us. And I think it tells a story here. It says, good afternoon. On behalf of Colesburg Rise and the residents of Colesburg community, we would like to express our sincere appreciation to Hardin County government for listening to our concerns regarding traffic safety along Colesburg Road. We would especially like to thank District 3 Magistrate Patsy Whitehead for her dedication and persistence in advocating for our community, Judge Keith Tall for approving the installation of rumble strips and additional signage, and the county engineers and road department employees who have worked on the scenes to make these improvements possible. We also want to thank every resident, neighbor and supporter who signed our petition, shared our concerns and helped bring attention to the speeding and safety issues affecting our community. This has truly been a community wide effort and we are grateful to everyone who played a part. Those of us who live in Colesburg, these improvements represent more than rubble strips and signs. They represent a shared commitment to protecting our families, our children, our neighbors, everyone who travels through our community. We're also excited to share that Colesburg Rise is now officially recognized as a 501c3 nonprofit organization. This milestone allows us to continue expanding our mission to serving Colesburg community improvement projects, neighborhood revitalization, beautification efforts, volunteer initiatives, partnerships, and strengthen our community for years to come. We believe meaningful progress happens when residents, local organizations, and government leaders work together toward a common goal. The recognition of these safety improvements is a wonderful example of what can be accomplished through collaboration and open communication. Thank you again to Magistrate Whitehead, Judge Tall, Hardin County government, our community partners, every resident who helped make this possible. We look forward to continuing to work together to make Colesburg an even safer, stronger, more connected community. Thank you, Colesburg Rise. So thank you so much for the letter. Like Patsy was saying, we don't often get optimistic, positive types of letters like this. So I think it was appropriate for us to kind of go through it. And for everybody associated with Hardin County government, fiscal court, everyone, that we were able to work together with your community and make this happen. And I'm hopeful that it will make a big difference in the safety, improvement of safety especially is what we're shooting for here for the sit right down the center of it. So again, thanks for the letter and we'll get this done and continue to work together in the future.

Also, I want to on one note, Colesburg rise, the rise. stands for Restore, Inspire, Support, Engage. These folks, I have to tell you, they're a small community of neighbors and friends, but they are so big with the heart that they have for their community and what they want to do in that community. And now they're a nonprofit. And believe it or not, next week is Nonprofit Recognition Week. So it's just so timely that that you're here this evening at this meeting. And and we wish you all the best with your, you know, your endeavors in improving that, especially that strip of road that you guys are working so hard on. And thank you again for coming out. We really appreciate you. Appreciate it. Thank you.

Any other comments or. OK. Next up is Stephanie. You have a few items.

I do. I do. So I have a couple of things. We'll talk about the very first one on litter abatement grant. So that is one of our annual grants we apply for every year. I have submitted that agreement over to Jenny. She has approved it. It's been emailed back to me. I am asking to put that through fiscal court on the end of the month here. to apply for our litter abatement grant. And that is to give us funds from the state to help the detention center send the inmate crews out to help clean up our roadside. So does anybody have any questions in regards to that? I'd like to get that put on for the next court agenda if possible. Just a little bit of history on that real quick too. 2024, we've received $121,000 or so. 2025, we've received $115,000. And then 2026, they took it down a little bit to $100,000. So hopefully, fingers crossed, we'll get back up to at least $110,000, $115,000. But we'll see what they pass out for the upcoming year. That will go into effect January 1st. So it's a calendar year grant. So next thing is I have some handouts here to give you guys to take a look at. This is for Bluegrass Network and Springfield Road. And this is for, sorry, can you share? Some of these copies I had, they were a little bit bigger. So this is from Bluegrass Network. They are basically wanting to have a small additional easement there at the old landfill off of Rucker Road, Rucker Lane, Springfield Road, corner area. You'll notice on the map there, there's an outlined area in red, and that is the second section of easement that they originally was given back in 2014, I believe is what it was, that went through court. That was resolution... resolution number here it was April 22nd of 2014 was the right-of-way easement so this additional one if you look at the the map section it's a very small little blue square at the bottom right-hand side of the red square. So this is an additional small section where they're wanting to put a 10 by 12 concrete slab there. This is gonna be used for connection into the existing electrical poles there for no NRECC. It's proposed easement for the concrete slab 20 by 20 would be allowable for the area of the vehicle to park and would be placed from the roadway site parking area would be on the proposed site. The concrete would be a 10 by 12. Equipment to be placed on concrete would be two equipment cabinets and a generator. The thickness of the concrete to be determined by the requirements for the generator. This fence, the company is going to fence off the proposed area the county specifications and will repair the existing chain link fence that right now is damaged. So they're going to go ahead and repair that for us while they're there as well. Again, it says there in the box, the red line is for the existing fence lines according to commercial power to be from Nolan RACC PO located inside the county property near the proposed site. In reference to this, they're offering the county $5,000 to obtain this additional area easement for putting this concrete slab there. So if there's no objection to that, we would also like to put that through the next court. They will have their attorneys draw up the agreement and that will go through to Jenny for approval. before fiscal court. If for some reason we don't get it back from Jenny in enough time, it won't be on the next one and hopefully be on the following fiscal court.

Are they proposing an entrance there?

No.

The entrance will still be through the gate as I understand it. Oh, you all are wanting to put an interest. Okay. I apologize. I misunderstood that. off of Springfield Road. See the little circle that's right there in the front corner of the blue box and the red box?

Yes.

That's where the entrance would be.

Are we doing any survey work to know that it is out of the right of way?

I think, did you all have the survey work done previously?

You have not? Okay. I remember seeing it. It looks like it's outside of the existing bench back there, too. So it should be prepared.

We have a water lab right here, too. So we want to make certain that the concrete slab is not

So then we'll get with, um, we'll get with them and see if I get in their survey work done and also meet up with the road department and get that completed on what we need to do there. Um, while we're trying to get, uh, the agreement drew up with their attorneys as well. Cause I'm sure that that will take some more time. So.

So that 5,000 is a rental access. Basically it's not a purchase.

Right, no, we're not selling any land or anything like that. They won't have any other rights to it without asking our permission. It's still our land.

Assuming no effects on the encapsulation of the landfill.

Well, in that area where the trash is, it's not in that vicinity. So, yes, we're good there, too.

Is that a 5,000 one-time payment?

Yes.

Prior to that, They paid back in 2014, it's like around $1,300 for the bigger slot. They made the offer.

I think as long as, in my perspective, as long as water is good, road, I don't see a problem.

They didn't want to go too much further. No problem with them going further. Just because they'd be out money.

Out of curiosity, do you have to have an entrance there on that?

If they went back through the gate, they would end up having to somehow or another come up and probably gravel that area from that all the way back to that corner if we don't do an entrance. And then they would also have to stay really close to the edge of the fence because when you're back that far, you could potentially hit trash or a cat. So we don't want to be anywhere near that.

I didn't know if there was access directly.

And we can look at that for sure when we get with Michael and see about the sight distance and all of that too. If there's a problem, we might have to go that route. I don't know yet.

Either way.

I wouldn't have an objection to it either after surveys are completed.

3.49 p.m. That's good. You lay your hand on these watches.

So the last thing that I have to bring to committee is a possible HVAC ICSA contract with Fort Knox. So Fort Knox has reached out to us because we currently have two ICSAs with them at the moment. They want to do another ICSA possibly in regards to HVAC. We just really got a lot of this information yesterday with a meeting from them. Just to kind of give you some key points about the ICSA is it will cover all of the buildings on Fort Knox that have HVA units in them. It will not cover any housing units, but it will cover all of the buildings, all of the barracks. I believe they said it was going to cover the PX, but not the commissary. There was just a very slim amount of buildings that it would not be covering. But they have presented us with this opportunity. Again, we're currently taking care of two ICSAs with the refuse ICSA and the mowing ICSA that I kind of oversee. We're already generating roughly about $290,000 income off of those current two ICSAs that we have, and that's yearly. maintenance agreement or HVAC maintenance agreement, it could possibly generate up to about a million dollars in net revenue for the county. Now, with that being said, keep in mind that this volume for this agreement is much larger than the current two agreements. There will definitely need to be hiring of a project manager for this through fiscal court on our payroll. um that of course should also that salary i would think or assume be covered with the um the profitable that's being or the profit is made off of this exa so um as far as financial risk to the county we've kind of investigated that a little bit more because i personally felt like there may have been some after meeting with poor dogs yesterday um they kind of put all of that that issue at ease with us on on how we're gonna move forward in processing payments and receiving our payments and um if this will also open up more opportunities for us if we are awarded uh to apply for more federal grants and state grants that are in much more higher volume amount of money than what we currently get if that makes sense um the program is definitely going to benefit Fort Knox. It's going to be allowing flexibility in contracting with lowering their operating costs and streamlining their delivery timeframes. Um, and I guess probably another really good point is the fact that it will create some jobs for Hardin County residents that is currently being held by an out of state contractor on Fort Knox that are coming in from out of state to perform these responsibilities. So, um, We are going to move forward with getting a bid packet bid proposal together to put out to see what all companies are interested in and see what we get back in that bid proposal before we will submit anything to Fort Knox in their bid. So we would not be awarding to anybody without the contingency of having our bid accepted through Fort Knox. So I believe the deadline for Fort Knox was going to be like the end of September. Yesterday he did say that there may be a little bit of flexibility there depending on who all is all participating. Of course this exit did go out to several other counties. Um, they did say that they, uh, felt like we were more in line to be able to handle this, this type of volume of a bid with them than some of the other counties. So, and again, we currently already have two that's been in place now for about four years, five years. So, and those have been operating fine. We've been taking care of them. Um, any complaints or issues they've had from Fort Knox, we've dealt with within a 24 hour period. We've moved on along. So it's definitely generated more revenue to us without using taxpayer money. So again, I guess the timeline is we're going to go ahead and prepare the RFP. This will be basically a turnkey HVAC maintenance repairs contract administration in accordance with the current ICSA that they're putting out. So we're gonna try and mirror exactly what they're asking. So that way there's no discrepancies. It could possibly reach up to a 10 year maximum on this bid for them. That's what they're wanting. They're wanting to bid it and keep it for 10 years. But we'll mirror that same criteria there. We will evaluate the bids once they come in and hopefully We're going to try and get that prepared to maybe make the next public works meeting in September if everything kind of goes as planned and we get things out there going.

Is there a set rate the county would make? I know you said roughly close to a million, but is it, or how do they calculate that?

That's what we calculate, but bid, so they don't accept it. And they negotiate that a lot, too. So it's up to us to put that rate in. they have to accept.

Let's together the terms as far as warranties implied, expressed, harmless and all that.

All of that is in the ICSA and then the HVAC contractors, All that's in the language we'll have in the contract that they will accept. And we're going to go through Jenny with this because we need to put that in the bid specs too. So Jenny's going to be able to review it. We haven't talked to her yet. We just had a meeting yesterday. So we have to get her to review that. It's a very large contract.

This exposes us in a whole different way than our current agreements. Performance grants, I mean performance. If we have delays in delivery of equipment, all that stuff needs to be nailed down.

There aren't any penalties in the IGSA. If you don't, they have performance standards. They want all this to happen. There are no penalties. What the penalty is, is you get a bad rep. because you didn't do this.

That's the penalty. There's no financial penalty to it. The penalty is they would want to cancel the contract, and then you're basically on the list of, you know, not getting the invite for maybe any other additional business is what it would be.

And it gives you a bad name.

It would be key for us to find the right subcontractor this turnkey that we could depend on for some reason, something that they didn't measure up to. Um, we have to go out and find somebody else. Hopefully, what do the best possible job could to find the right subcontractor and they make sure that they would respond to any concerns, get things done.

We already got the list from Fort Knox of ones they recommend that are already working there, have worked over there.

So we just submit it to them? We would just submit the RFP to them for them to potentially bid on there?

RFP just goes out. RFP goes out like any other RFP we have, but it'll have specific criteria. And then, so we've reached out to all the ones, the vendors, and as far as I know, they're all going to maybe submit back to us, but there could be extra after that.

I know you all said there's a reset the rate. Do you all have an idea what that looks like, or do you want to see the bids first?

We don't want to say that now. This is a public meeting, and there's other people in the same, there's other counties. There's one other county. You had the bid, the pre-bid conference basically yesterday morning was mandatory. So there were only two county, two government entities that showed up.

So are we going to do that?

Correct. Correct.

But, you know, if they, and Court Knox, of course, reserves that right. If they don't like the bids that came in, they can default back to the contract that they currently have or will have. or they may send it all back out again. But the IGSA is the easiest way and saves a lot more administrative time on their standpoint than going through Fort Knox contracting. Right.

What would be the next step on this?

We're going to create the RFP and get that out to submit pricing. It'll be basically just like she said, any other general RFP that we do. So we did reach out to the companies that Fort Knox gave us that is currently working there. But anybody that has an HVAC business could submit pricing if they choose to do so. That will be just part of the evaluation process once we get to that point.

That would obviously be a county employee.

Simultaneously, would that be, how quick would we have to get that going to create it?

That wouldn't be until we know for sure that we've got the IGSA. because that's ultimately what the majority of their job is going to be. That person is going to have to have the HVAC expertise and experience and knowledge of what these vendors are doing because they're going to be doing a lot of oversight on post. Of course, I oversee the two current ones, but the knowledge of what you need I'm here to tell you, I know for a fact I don't have and there needs to be somebody that has that to move forward with the six. So I mean, honestly, this is it's not capable for Hardin County to do that until you have that person that you're going to put in that position. Right.

And they expect that for Knox expect you have to have to hire somebody.

I think as far as your question about timing, we would have time to do that. Um, I didn't know that once it's accepted, how far...

It's February. It's January and February. There's a training period. Yeah, the transition period. They'll put into the bid. They expect it. Training costs, you know, hard time and everything. They've implemented all that. I think the final turnover is by the end of February. But then you also work with the current vendor to accept... What's the term? Yeah, but left seat, right seat, you know, right beside them for a transition to go over everything that's there. Because it's preventive maintenance and replacement and repair. So it's pretty comprehensive.

Do you think that this restriction is just for the contract?

Probably. It's hard to say for sure, but they expect a full-time person working. have to wait to see, you know, how much time that takes. I mean, it's possible to utilize a person to do some of those things, too, if they're not full-time. But right now, that's the assumption.

I didn't know if it could alleviate some of the stress and extra work that you have to do and would kind of coincide with some of your other Fort Knox contracts that would be a benefit to help you, too.

I'd be honest with you, Aaron. after our meeting with them yesterday, I don't see where this position would not be 40 plus hours every single week. Fort Knox has one guy right now that is going around kind of double checking just on the Fort Knox side. And he's not even coming close to touching everything that these contractors are touching. He's really kind of spot checking and he's, and they said that he's not really coming close to really overseeing everything that's being done. So, you know, I mean, I could be thinking of it wrong, but I don't see where there will be a whole lot of additional time in that position.

I was just saying it could be a benefit if it could help you too. Oh, for sure.

who knows maybe they get into it it is a lot up front but over time it slows and they possibly stop for the first year for sure they say also for the first two years a couple years probably with all the preventive maintenance it's not been kept up so somebody following up on that but they're also James you have to use their systems Fort Knox's systems And they're in the process of changing those out so but they would allow a Change order basically for the new training so you know you're going to learn this system And then a few months later you may be learning abuses so Yeah, yeah, so the first year so it's going to be no housing, but how many different businesses Do you have any any?

notion or count on how many different businesses you're looking at.

Yeah, there's 350 buildings, minimum 350 buildings. And just, and this was an estimate they shot us yesterday, estimated somewhere around seven to 10,000 filter changes in a year's time. So again, one building may have 30 units attached to it. And when I say no housing, I mean none of the housing at Knox Hills, not any of the barracks. All of the barracks still will be part of that. Those are those regular buildings, yes. The HRC building, all the cadet training buildings, yes. Yes.

Will there be office space available there for them up there?

So this employee wouldn't be here, they would be there?

Well, they'll probably float back and forth. um but they're they're going to be spending a lot of time there they the fort knox did say that there is a dedicated building specifically for the contractors there's offices in that building as well um they're going to issue laptops for them to use because again like barney said they got to be on their systems um they'll have to have security clearances you know all of that though if they can't get on knox then they can't you know regardless whether vendor or the person that we hire. They can't get on Knox there. I can't do it.

So they're right.

Right vehicle being involved in the vehicle.

We haven't talked about that, but it's possible should be putting on the measures.

I would expect that there would be because it would be a lot cheaper on the county if we supply them with a vehicle versus we make them do mileage.

Sorry.

As far as contract, I know it's probably like the contractors, are they capable or can they bid through both counties?

Yes, they can. They can bid with multiple counties. They can subcontract some of the work out. They can subcontract several of the pieces and parts out if they choose to do so. Because there is several different parts to this agreement. There's an IT section. There's a maintenance section. There's, you know, there's several components there. So, you know, if a HVAC business bids in and they need to subcontract out the IT section, they can do that. And vice versa, if another company that doesn't do the preventative maintenance, but they do the IT and this and that, then they can subcontract that out. However it sees to fit what Fort Knox wants is basically what it will boil down to. They can bid both. Yeah, they can bid both. Because again, the final agreement will be based on what we're putting in there as what we want to provide this service to Fort Knox. Ours may be higher or lower than what the other county may put in. So we don't know until that's all submitted through Knox.

They also have history with us.

And that's why they originally, yeah.

it's best value on the contract yes it's not based on low bid but they consider best value that's why we were concerned with using a lot of the or at least contacting any vendors that they suggested because i'm sure they didn't suggest any ones that they didn't think was a good value or good good performance

Do you like it? You're in favor of this?

I am. I think after going through everything and having a lot of questions answered, I think it's a good opportunity for us to continue to partner with Fort Knox and to help them out. At the same time, get some benefit out of it. And the community gets some benefit out of it. It seems like a win-win situation. It's a massive contract. I wouldn't want to try it if we didn't end up with a bid from a company that we were happy with, that we were confident with that subcontractor. We don't want to create all kinds of headaches for ourselves. I think that's going to be key for us. I think it's something that we should shoot for and try to help out.

Kenny, you were on Knox. I'm assuming you've been a part of this.

What's your thoughts? They provided us with some contractors Fort Knox has that they're comfortable with. So to me, if we get some bids from them that we feel comfortable with, then I'd be okay with it. If we get a bid from a contractor from, you know, wherever, California, and we're not sure with them, even though they're the low bid, To us, I wouldn't select them. Yeah, I don't want to. Because HVAC is a non-fail contract. You can't go without heat. You can't let them go without air. Because I was involved four, five, eight years ago with a new contract, and we'd been with Trane for 20 years. Well, when they went out for bids, Trane didn't get it. And it was trains proprietary.

A lot of their equipment was.

They didn't like it that they didn't get it, and they wouldn't give us parts. We had to go out of state. We even had to go to their headquarters because they said, or they'd price it at three times the cost, so it was pretty bad.

That's how trains treat everybody.

It's just the government. And it was during... This one's kind of coming up during when cadet command, all the cadets come in. So you got a lot of barracks that are covered, that normally are empty. And it's not, like I said, non-failed. You got to do something. And we explained to the general, we can't get parts. Train's not cooperating. We're doing, you know, we's going out of state. We was doing everything we could. And they was kind of understanding, but. But it was...

They may have been understanding, but they wouldn't have.

And we got through it eventually. Like I said, I'm comfortable with us going out for bids. Once we get the bids and us making the selections, that's where I would decide whether I'm comfortable or not, whoever we think's the best value.

Yeah, and let her with the contract with us and the ones that are coming bid once we understand that's going to be key to be very much involved. The exit contract, assuming all that works and then send all that to Fort Knox they provide the exit to us so it'll be reviewed just to make sure but that will be our typical so covers all the stuff that we need to serve so but that it is a bit of a process and it's a it's a big deal so don't want to pretend like this isn't it's it's a massive contract I think it's the right thing to do.

Like Kenny said, it depends on who we get bids from. So we get bids back. It doesn't look good. A lot of us don't feel comfortable about it. We just drop it.

That's what I would recommend. And this contract's a little bit different. It's a 10-year. When we were doing it, going through the federal regulations, they were five-year contracts, like trained and had it for 15 or 20 years. Their employees didn't want to resign and go to the new contractor because in five years, you could flip again. With a 10-year contractor, some of them people working there now might be willing to go to the new contractor.

I'd send them to do a good job.

I think it's worth pushing forward because of the revenue opportunity there. That's a pretty big chunk of money.

It needs to be a fairly big customer protection risk.

Exactly. But I mean, to move forward at this time doesn't make a commitment. We're not making any kind of commitment right now.

You sound like you're grow for it? Depending on Kenny.

It's going to depend on what we get back.

You know, we won't know.

I will tell you, when we showed up there yesterday, we walked in making a statement. You know, it was us and Meade County that showed up, and we walked in with like 12 deep we brought vendors with us that's what they asked us to do which was the ones that they had suggested and we pretty much covered the whole room so I mean it was obvious that they're comfortable with Hardin County as of right now they're comfortable with Hardin County

40 plus years. And he did a big commercial, did an industrial and then ended up in a glassware residential. So he was there too, asking questions. And our vendor was saying, you know, you must go do that.

I said, you can't do that.

But anyway, it's, uh, so we, we had a lot of people there, um, So anyway.

And with Kenny's background, we ask him to go.

Yeah. I totally understand.

This is a big contract.

And honestly, just like you said, if we put the RFP out there and we're not good with what we get, we don't have to do anything beyond that. So as of right now, we're not tied into anything. This is really just for information to move forward. If everybody feels good, we continue to move forward. If everybody don't, then we don't. So it's not yet a tight end. This is, you know, I don't want you all to think that you're making that decision right the second you're not.

I like we don't have to make a decision within a week or two. Or even a month.

Well, the bid is really due September 21st. But they said you know, depending upon the way we are with our meetings and fiscal court, they could probably work with us, but they have to work with everybody. And also, August 25th is the deadline for all the requests for information that you would ask at Fort Knox. And that's a collective thing. They'll get back with everybody on what everybody else is asking. So we might get some new information there. And we still have some that we're going to put through, get some history.

It's a fairly tight timeline. Right.

Yeah, if we need to.

This is just to make sure you guys are aware of it. It started yesterday. This is the information we have at hand right now. This is what we're going to do to move forward. We'll see how it goes from here.

Sounds like we need to move forward.

No other questions, Mark?

I have a question, Martha. What's the status on, I know we have a number of bridges that were labeled poor, fair, whatever the categories are. What's our status on those as far as grants, applications and all?

Yeah, I put that in the last report. We were still waiting on those two bridges. I'm going to go ahead and put those in CCBIP as well. So we'll have four bridges I'm going to apply under CCBIP. But what they recommend is put one in, do the next, do the next. And right now, I've got some paperwork to finish up. I'm going to try to submit something familiar this week. Hurry and go back and forth on design, back and forth on plans and stuff like that. Got some approval. So it'll be an official submittal this week. And then we'll go to the next one, next one. I really want to try to get all four out this month. So I've got a pretty high.

It was August 31st, the end of this cycle.

Yes. Is that the same ones that Lincoln Trail has also helped rate stuff when they did the ratings?

No, that was the PCR stuff. The state does the ratings, and I used the state ratings, the index numbers and all that that I got from some of the state folks. I've got a spreadsheet I think I brought a long time ago, and I've tracked every single one of our bridges for at least five, six years. This latest index, the last report they did changed all. So I went back and redid our previous years to put it to the same test as what we've got now. Plus, I got a bridge index indicator from the state that shows how they see our bridges. And so, Miller is their number one. And so, I'm going to make it our number one. And I've been working with, like I said, I've been working with them on drawings and all that stuff. So, I've been working with Greg. He's our person who helps me. So, I just need time. That's my biggest thing.

We're looking for our worst bridges first, right? Absolutely. And then we'll work through the rest.

And I've already sent them a spreadsheet of that last year, what our bridges look like. They really like that spreadsheet. They like how we're attacking it. So not only are we submitting this, but we're showing we have a plan of action. And we've been working with the road department on stuff we can do internally to help our bridges stay around. So we're not just, like in the old days when they would just let a bridge fall apart, we did all this stuff on it. We're actually proactive. assuming what we could do for our side, like we get an inspection report, working with the road department on getting that stuff, we could do it internally. We've got work, I think, I'm going to speak to Michael, but I think he's already got a routine for maintenance on. Sorry. It's just a matter of time. Is that on the screen? trying to do a lot of different stuff.

We'll at least have the highest or worst rated bridge done by the deadline. Right. And the target is to try to get several others in there. You know, you can always, they can always reject those. They probably would. But, you know, at least they'll be there. And if there's extra money, maybe we'll get a second bridge.

Just some open information. White Mills was one of the bridges I applied for. 325. And they turned up. But it had nothing to do with what's going on there now. Nobody would have expected those members to fail. So even if we got it, what we suggested, what we were asking for, wouldn't have prevented this. And we're working with the contractors on that too. I sent them all their information they needed. I showed them what the state said specifically about the problems out there with the bridge, why they failed it. and they've got all that. So we are going to attack the first option with just the two members if you replace the first. See what that value is because you know the higher one, if you replace a lot of the older parts, it's going to cost more. At least you'll have that. So what does an author take from this? I've already talked to State. When I gather from them, they're not interested in CCBIP. Removing all the political side of stuff, things could change off that side, but it's just purely statistics.

If I submit for CCBIP on that, they may not. I think right now we just have to get the estimate of how much it would cost to replace the two members specifically that have the problem. that I don't anticipate that to be a huge amount of money. So we'll have to see what that looks like. But from everything that you've gathered, we've gathered that fix will not fall into the CCVIP. So we'll just have to see how that pans out. Now, they can come back later and say, yeah, we'll go ahead. You never know.

All back positions turn into .

That's our worst case scenario.

If you're like, we're not going to cover it. Here's our only option. We are looking at that. And some folks are trying to get a grant for that to convert it over to . It's not a true question.

I just want to make sure that we're using our resources to get our grants out on timely and hopefully not have to go through 80, 20 or anything like that. We'll get as much money as we can.

We still have an obligation. They don't put the percentage out there. We'll probably get some hard account waiver.

I work on it, so count that towards our... That set aside a pool of money that the legislature supposedly set aside this last budget cycle. Is any of that money dipping into any of that for something like white meals?

We could ask. I mean, it doesn't hurt to ask other people with the state, can we tap into that money? where all the strings are all linked and stuff. Like I said before, we've got two bridges that have been sitting in there for almost two years now. We mentioned it at several meetings with people that all came here. We mentioned those two bridges with them, asked the state over and over on it. They said it's still being considered. So it's a public forum, but I'm not going to put that on my submittals that it's already being considered.

What two bridges are we still pending on? Miller.

This is the 612. Miller is a bridge we need to... We've got Saltwell, Payne School. So you've got Miller, Payne School, and then you've got Soloway and Pierce. And that's, I think, roughly in a rank. The last two might be switching back and forth. That's where the state ranks the same priority. And, of course, now we've got white mills. That's what I call it. Thank you. Do you not count Meat and Creek? No, Meat and Creek's already processed. We've got the money. They're already doing all their bidding. They took it over, and they're doing it. But, again, that's another one. If you know any friends or anybody that can push the railroad company around, I'd Yeah, good luck with that. Right, right. No, and yeah, and they're trying to push. They still tell me we're still in January, so I guess they left themselves a large buffer to start building in January. And I can tell you from what I'm hearing, third, second, fourth hand, is the biggest problem is they had to change some of the dynamics of the bridge, and they want to get that approved.

Not exactly going to be the same bridge as it was.

So there's an aspect to it being right-of-way versus our right-of-way. It's not our right-of-way. It's their right-of-way.

That before.

Yeah.

Any other questions? Yes, we moved it. Comment-wise, I think I'll put you back a little bit, but that text memo will go for our first reading on August 25th, and the second reading will be September 8th. Any questions for me? Okay, Mike?

Yes, the only thing I have potentially coming through is our flex agreement. We got a copy of that mid-day today, but there was a technical error on it, so I've sent that back to Frank for just waiting on an answer. But you all approved my submittal, so this is just the agreement back, and it'll go through court. Hopefully, as soon as we get that back, we can get a resolution to you guys. Other than that, I don't have anything.

Any questions for Mike and John? I don't think he's here. So Hardin County, water number one.

Don't have a whole lot. We are finished with our phase two expansion. I think that gets us about 96, 97% complete county roads as far as getting water to everybody that can. And Highway 361, our guys, they're about They're a third of the way finished. They got 4,000 feet of that line put in along 261 coming from Fort Knox and going to 313. And that's about all I got.

Any questions? Order number two.

Trevor, I guess. Commerce Drive. The water line is installed. It's been flush sampled. and in-service crews are moving services over. So hopefully we'll be out of there by the end of this month. That'll free them up to go to Glendale where they, for ordering material, water line material for the Glendale Fire Department. And then the next crew, we had two on Commerce Drive, the other one went back to 251 and the restart of that. In the middle of all this, we did have to go to White Mills and do an in-house project. We have contractors on 720 and they are moving along pretty well. They do have the two separate lines. One's four inch, one's a six inch. They do have all the four inches in. and that line will be ready to be filled with flush and sink.

Update on the two water towers that are going out?

Well, that's one of the projects. Not to get too far ahead of myself, we're going to be doing some project on the hydration tank in Glendale, laying the conduit. That has been pushed back, but we're going to maintain our schedule. We're going to get that complete in October, hopefully. And the Mulberry tank is up. There are some issues. I think Sean probably could.

Mulberry tank, they have a contractor. We expect to put that in service. Once that tower is in service, two towers have to be replaced, one behind Baptist Hill Garden. Somewood, another tower that's there at the high school, Moultrie Tower, and one of those baseball tanks. Both of those tanks will be coming. That's expected to happen in September. They estimate about a day, maybe two, for each tank. Hydration tank, which is the one off Broadfields Road, the one that we see from the interstate. Raising low on that Saturday. How far do they have to raise it? Oh, gosh. I think it's 70. I don't remember. It's curious. Any other questions for number 2? Judge Tom. Just got some information today at the chamber, ran into the guy from Comcast. One of the guys that is responsible for working on with the bead money to get fiber equivalent out into the county. I'm not sure how many residents that they got the contract for, but I believe it was somewhere around 600 or 700 or 800 or something like that. I think we have a total of around 4,000 residents that are unserved, that the bead money is scheduled to provide for in Hardin County. So this has been a long time coming. It's been three years since I first heard about it. So it's moving slowly. But he said that it's possible that they might start to work on, might start to work on their end of it, even this year, possibly just depends on how quickly you get all the contracts done. It could take a while still. I haven't heard from Windstream. I think they're the other one that is providing probably the larger quantity of residents and more area that they've got a service. So I will keep working on them and see what their timing looks like. It seems like it's finally getting almost to the point of actually doing some work and pushing high-speed internet out to residents of kind of don't have access now. So that's positive, positive movement. I've always been concerned. It's just gonna be canceled and all the money would go back to feral government. Gonna have looks like still moving forward. So just, uh, just an update. That's all I have.

You need new issues. Anyone Hearing none, the meeting's adjourned.