Planning Board - Regular Meeting

Andy Lear we did receive the comments from the board and we to address them with our next all right so this part of few things that written that already addressed so okay we are we are live oh we are live [Music] now okay we just opened the public hearing from M Street and we're taking public comments I'm GNA give you the the zoom because I had to do a different Zoom link from me so I'll send it to Linda and I'll send it to um usual people okay is it on time I mean I imagine a lot of people who may have shown up 6:30 I mean it's an issue new to me I don't know yeah and is it the same length that would have been online it it is right now it is online and it is on the on the city Zoom uh it's on the city Zoom uh Channel if you will it is on that but it's but it's a different link because we were locked out of the city's ini so um so you're going still hold your comment I think it's going to be the same thing next month don't you you post it it goes on a different um video and then you post that video onto the

page was only last time when we had a different issue and then I just I had to record it but now the issues were not getting up the city 6:30 no 6 to get it all straightened out so we can go online at 6:30 this should be happening on time we're not agreeing here in the back row that this is an issue that you can't start a meeting late and expected because if I was at home you're a half later I'm I'm going to go have dinner you know I I don't disagree it's not right I don't disagree it's just that it's not illegal so it's the meeting will be the public hearing will be continued to let everyone comment next month and it's not fair to people in the room who did come to give public comments to not allow to speak I understand I'm not disagreeing I'm saying what the committee on open government has ruled on this there's many opinions on this the committee opening government you must keep the hearing open you can not make any final decision so they couldn't do site plan approval you could do something like Seeker that doesn't require public hearing but anything that requires public hearing cannot be acted on unless you're a full public engagement so it's this is the compromise I don't disagree but once said this was the only night you could come I don't want to prevent someone froming it's just a problematic and I ask what comedian Publican open government says for time it's a general you could do it 3 hours later it's not fair to everyone but you don't know how long an app we actually all notice it at 6:30 with the expectation you might not go s to address that issue but so I I apologize that this is running we are keeping it open it's not going to close everything you say is going in public

record so does anyone okay so no one else has a public comment about Street when do you expect your next mission we're planning to submit time for the March plan were some things that were asked that been addressed you remember what they were okay so next month we'll itemize each comment we receive well yeah but there were comments that were asked that had already been addressed I don't think we said that we addressed I I do have one comment Linda musman portm supervisor the issue of the Hudson River flooding I don't think it's really been addressed in anything that they presented unless I've missed it I know they would talk about the ditch that they're putting there and to capture overflow from the other direction but I'm not convinced the flooding from the Huds river is really been addressed by their application well I mean our our our plans are reflecting that the building is being constructed above well well above the pl line elevation so in that sense we are complying um with with the code requirements but the flood anyway that's my com they building in a flood zone yes and being the is uh digging a pit in the flood plane to mitigate for that area to and it's a two for one so for every cubic yard of fill they're filling in the flood plane they're Excavating two cubic yards that addresses only one one the water coming from One Direction is that

unless only on one side there's two ways water goes in there from when the Hudson river goes overflows its banks and then when the other side comes from the o water tables all the water comes from that direction down the hill down the hill however you want to describe thir goes through the ditch am I correct the flood plane elevation that's flood plane boundary that's shown on the maps that we working with is is is based on the flooding from the h River the flow from Upstream that you're referring to being conveyed through our site through the this whale that we're constructing in the in the ceiling base in we're you know constructing to get the water back into the drainage system but where does that drainage system go it goes into into the municipal system I assume it has discharge of the river clear there in lines the problem exactly anyway I debate that's my comment so I'm hoping to get more information thank you anyone else I'm so confused is this a public comment about this now we're talking about yes yeah and it is public now you see the screen right here you can see that we're online the people oh I you can't see the people within the system somebody just texted me that the link was expired so people can't get on you know I sent I just well I sent them a new link that link again we're not able to get on the city the city Zoom but we are on the

city we're on the city YouTube website so they go to the city's website they'll see our meeting and if they subscribe if they subscrib they'll get a notice that we're that we're streaming now anyone else wants to speak Kenny so somebody what's your name again ly k o e b d i n g okay so if somebody had a link for the advertised meeting and they were counting on that and they didn't update it since 6:00 would that link work it's it 6:30 and saying if they they would I'm asking a very simple question so I have at 6 o' what you it's 6:30 6:30 whatever okay AR said 6 o' I like to be okay here cuz I was here that's fine yeah thank you okay so if I had that link yes and that was the only thing I was depending upon to sign into this this meeting with that link now work I I don't think so I don't control the city's website I don't control the city's zo that sounds like enough I I we're going to continue it till next month thank you the zoom is not working on the okay can I get a motion to continue the public for M Street March somebody want to say something wait until there get a motion to continue the public hearing for Street until March

11 all in favor all right that's it okay the public are over now going to business okay I just want to announce that the uh 41-43 North 7 Street I've been told they with drawing their applications so right that's restaurant yes right they that they're going application so you're going to take them okay we do need something okay now we're going to talk about 17 South Front Street we all have a site visit the planning board went to visit the area at that time the operation the operation is not they were not doing anything of the weather but we did get a lot of questions so we all saw lot so I would like to get your comments your comments publicized about what you saw what you think when you went out there um want St well in in respect to [Music] um our conversation was good we talked a lot about the building yeah yeah and the condition of the building how it operates on the right and they said they talked about remediation that they would uh be amenable to doing some remediation on the exterior of the building to make it more

cosmetically acceptable and um we talked about uh the materials that were going to be transported uh uh they indicated that it was aggregate it was Stone um we did uh discuss whether or not they would be any hazards materials um and they expressed expressed they that they did not anticipate that they would do that however yes um I don't believe that there's anything in writing from you guys to us expressing that but but the owner did Express that that was something that he wouldn't do so that may something we can explore it wasn't it wasn't expressly um denied and that should be we should the city should know that that's not what you know a material that will be uh done in the do um or or or imported into the dock or transported into the dock let me see what other thoughts uh um you can come back to me but that those are two things on top of my mind um yes I also did um site visit my name tag is not here but I am k p um so I did I was also part of the site visit um one of the questions that I did pose was about the security of the actual site um and you know people that showed the site they they basically said there there have been no incidence but I it it seemed like it was a bit non-committal to me so I didn't seem to get a firm answer as to what security measures going to be taken as far as security materials or any sort of any activities so it's something that that should definitely be and definitely be um you know firmly resolved you know going F now remember the the comments that you guys bring up you're going to have to email them to me

so I can write them give them to them all at once okay so security like the fence or something around that no one can get in right you know that's true they did say they never had an incident yeah it's gated and it's locked the site is gated and locked can they climb over that gate that's what we saying that's exactly what he's saying that you know you never had an incident but that type of evence you can climb over it's not about stealing bars they're not looking to steal anything it's just about protection children young people whatever wow I mean there could be issues I mean we don't want to think of it but there could be potential issues of trafficking I mean it's it's sorted but you know it is it is a consideration and and what else is the thing that everybody's look they um the days are changed so um it was very helpful to go on site I'm Jenny casasco and uh to actually walk the site and see the perim the borders of the city property and their property my first comment is that I think the city as well as as well as the um coluso have to do brush cleanup and maintain those areas this and I don't mean cut everything down I mean brush clean up I mean it's long overdue that the city

have you know a parks department these poor guys with you know buildings and sewers they do everything so I mean I I think and also with with that in mind with the cleanup the brush cleanup I think there is funding somewhere there are grants I don't know about them I don't know if the Randall you had mentioned in the past and coluso also chimed in on that that they had put an application in that never got aized years ago for some funding for what is with the Dr yeah yeah Development Corporation so I don't know what is out there but I think the city and coluso not just karuso not just the city should explore that jointly and that trees should be planted and that a horticulturist or somebody knowledgeable about trees in that kind of area because it's so wet or limited there's limited space and you know I don't know what the soil is I don't know what the water is so a professional arborist to plant trees that will go up high to cover that um the side the the chew up corroded I don't think my opinion is I don't think a fence should go up I don't think half a million dollars should be spent to cover it up I think that trees are the most logical solution and that we as a city and karuso as an owner of that property have to have Rush clean up

and that should be done I don't know if it's once or twice a year but it should be done and tree should be I would urge us all to seriously consider and to implement Plantation of trees that are high not some Arbor I mean a tree that's going to go 100 feet or I don't know I don't know the length but not little you know shrubberies that go 12 feet 24 feet so and I don't know what that would be I don't know what's appropriate for that space But that's my cents are we talking about just on what's the location I I don't know if it would be on the city no no that's all his property all that you know both sides the other side of that little Inlet where the barge comes yeah I believe that's that's that's problem that's theirs but we have land on the other side of it where we could plant trees oh Str so and we have to clean up and keep that clean I mean it's kind of a mess down there talk about safety concerns and kids exploring down there that should be cleaned up and kept clean so that's my two now don't forget to send that to but isn't it all recorded to give it to them I'm a better speaker than wrer that's okay you don't want I like to thank C inviting us down there during a site visit we all learned a lot and saw a lot um my concerns are basically echoing what the three before

me said security you said it's locked and gated F in um all the way to the south end is that fenc in as well yes okay and north of north side of the building next to the uh fairy slip there there could be some [Music] work I think all to the right okay and just the north side there I up to you earlier um plantings I agree with the plantings clean up definitely clean up the uh I I call it the second floor story where the side is and all rested out from previous uh contractors being down there with Sal that needs to be addressed you know seal it up plug it up something aesthetically pleasing because when you're in the park the River Park you can see over there right now the trees are baring of leaves and stuff so it's wide open sometime the trees are full with leaves but you you probably still see it I be routine about covering that up well what I said was plantings not to spend a half a million dollars on metal oh no both that's what I'm I'm saying and you know I just I think it would be anyway and it was Ved by some of the members down at the site visit that U SLE that's there that was from the cement plant 100 years ago it's still there I don't think you're using it to me it's an isore if it's feasable could you take that down um I put out um some emails requesting

pricing on that so once I hear back I but it's sort of a landmark too for Hudson I mean I think there's a difference of opinion so I think that both those structures I don't have an issue with them um you know I think if karuso wants to spend money on them great but I don't think the board should request that um that's my opinion I don't know if anyone has anything I mean because that's come up in the past correct yes I do know we had a discussion about whether the Aesthetics is as well as security when we were there I know we had talked about The Silo there and what contaminants may be still there are not there I know someone had made had asked a question about is that was that also Leed paint on the outside of the the sil something that we also had to worry about um as being an issue too as well um you know um you know I F found it to be informative too because I also found out what other things were being transported you know on that side as well and what other projects are are that they're looking for like the dredging and what's going with her also down there as well which it sort of was a little bit more of an eye opening for me as to where things were actually going to portion of profi to as well so um you know I think that's the most that I sort of took away from um the situation but I do agree that something needs to be you know there needs some kind of space between the actual Park as well as you know your

facility so that it is a little bit of an eye story there I'm being better I I just want to return back to the scope of operations and I know that we talked about um at one point large Transformers were were BR brought in and I think that because we know that there's going to be develop in that more development development in the area residential more commercial more things growing up we should kind of nail down that the scope of course it's not going to be ha it's not going to be toxic but even the size and and the of the objects coming because bigger objects like those things were hugely large that generates abnormally large traffic tractor trailers you know to carry that now let's say when those Transformers came did they did they drive out through the streets of Hudson or did they go up your pory road road okay put well that's what I'm saying when we look at the scope of operations if again you you're initial application was to put Aggregate and stone I think we should have language more definitive about you know any of any any large material that could be then disrupted going up that fory road to potential residents because they are residents that live you know on either on one side of that Cory world and we don't know what's going to be built there so we want those things to be compatible with future uses but I don't think we as a as a board can dictate that or dictate the value we can ask yeah so we can dictate what's what's what's carried on on no so you can it's not in the scope of your special CRI conditions that the court specifically outlined of what you can and can't ask for you could of course ask the applicant if they can ask ask anything you like but from a legal standpoint what they carry and how big they are this is a type two action a minor Bullhead repair you can't look at

traffic that's a Seeker impact and you can only look to what the code provides in the docking part of the special permit and in site plan in general because it's a special permit and a site plan application there are there are specific factors as explained in previous memos and uh presentations given to the board about what you can and can't look at screening is it safe security um those things are we did have neighbor impact there were there was neighbor impact within 500 ft um the site I I have to look I think it's residential yeah that's what I'm saying residential impact and that's that's what I'm talking about but I think the conditions have to pertain to the 75 of the repair not the operation yeah so it's not the operation as a whole you're looking at you're looking solely at the at the do buad repair right but isn't but isn't the circumference with is 300 or 500 ft I I don't I don't have that 10 point list but it was one of those two but it was quite a distance it is while it is centered around the dock repair it radiates Out 3 to 500 ft and that and what we're talking about some of the residential and some of the commercial is within that I think there th we can it up okay and two things I two things I skipped over the um volc juice itself that you repair it looks great I mean I've seen it before really and just form and you repairing it did a good job on it and secondly while we were there walk in the pavement walk in the parking lot there was a discussion about a dip in the parking lot where debris and water and whatever gathers right and when it's wet

it's full of whatever it is soap and stuff and that be repaired rebled up releveled so that if anything s the water would flow into that intention Pond that is on property we can look at that because as it settles in that area and it dries out becomes the F or dust parles I I think as part of your that is specifically in the special permit conditions that they must have dust control I know you spray down but that is definitely something can require and I just wanted toate what Rand was saying because I did ask the question when I was there uh do you uh transport hazardous and you said I will never do that then I found out later there's nothing in our Cod that said but you can't you know that you can if you want to you said you won't do it but suppose something I mean the owner said I will never do that but then supposedly somebody else becomes the owner so you know one of the things I was trying to figure out asking attorney you know if we don't have laws that says that we need them or something it may not be our premises to dictate that to you but we want to ask and get something writing that you know you won't and for the boards um because I spoke wither earlier there are like there are laws at the state level regulating I want to be very clear it's not a free-for all in the dock there are state laws that regulate hazardous material you you can't just suddenly go and put toxic waste on a bar you chip it out there are state laws governing this there's nothing in the city of Hudson code that you that you have power over that regulates that it doesn't mean that it's not regulated it's just the planning board isn't the officer who

regulates that the Port Authorities and the dec and other people regulate what goes in the water you know what what the hut offloading procedure ways there's many many things about it it's just have you can yeah I mean I mean I don't think it could come from this board but it's it's conversation can I ask a question or you can't ask it oh no you can't ask question I mean you can but to make it you know EAS I was just going to ask who oversees them yeah it depends there's different in the city that for toxic materials I don't know I don't know if it's in the Hudson code at all I have to relook at it uh so then we're kind of in a very vulnerable position well no so it's regulated at the state level all I'm saying but no one's watching so who's going to know well there Court Authority at the authority down at our dock looking at what's well they can they can expect but they're not we all know that there are very few people available anyway no I it's about concern I'm not as my legal opinion is that it's what the board can do not my personal and as an environmental attorney I get you it's just you know something that we had asked when we were there and we just wanted to make it public the questions that we asked I just got a text from TJ who I think is trying to watch uh he said that um the Hazardous is uh is governed and permitted by the y there's a perit so there's two there's it's governed by DEC there's actually a permit and then at at the Waterway and then there's also there's kind of a shi right now between Federal permits because of the change over of laws but it's still open Waterway so there is actual Federal oversight at the Port

Authority as well so it's both so if they get those permits There's Nothing is Stopping them from doing the job I have to look at the you could even be um there's laws of regulations that are not permitted to be regulated at a local level that could only be regulate at the state level I'm not saying this is one of them I'm just saying that kind of fality does exist so that's one of the question one concerns I have you know because if you know I don't I live here well you know and I wouldn't want it to be left to the owner that says well I don't want to do it something happens to him you know hey I'll do whatever it takes to make money so I that's something I was concerned about I wanted to follow up on that same stream and um Ask Cassandra since it looks like um Nat GD is going to be leasing we don't know that that's not all that we don't know anything about that that's what they said but but will that come before us we don't know it really depends on right we don't it's going to be probably a PR decision it all depends on permanent structure but again it it affects us as a city it does but that's also not part of so they're not going to have control over whether or not they can't control their and DC is probably going to take if there's a Seeker on they're going to take jurisdiction will take that because it's so high level that and that was something that that they told us they volunteered that volunteered that information well again in the spirit of transparency because people have been saying a lot of things I think it's yeah that's true you're right just to be clear thank you okay uh that's question like I said the special per in the dust was really wonder we know I think you should lock up the whole whatever um and you see the black toop

or some kind of surface to make sure that the fine salt doesn't come up if it's if it's not watered down it also will save water in and I think some kind of landscape off along the front try to break it up a little bit is a good idea yeah and what be sending comments by the track yeah yeah just to try to you know break up the Statics okay do you want to keep the building um we just have had no PL since we've been in terminal health for all these years we we haven't even thought about it so I'm just trying to get through the basics security and me I think it need to be a little bit do you have lights over there night yeah when nobody's working there it's lit it should there should be two lights that we have cameras yes we have camer is not working currently today but the the hours operation end that six 7 to S I've never seen a truck that [Music] question okay so we see you I have everything written down so we can we're going to send it to you okay I'll s you does does the public get a chance to comment okay yeah so so I was asked today on whether or not a public hearing was required a public hearing has been open in so step one a public hearing is not required by Hudson la North State law but a public hearing has been held already it was opened and closed back it opened around 2020 and it closed around 2022 or the end of 2021 I have the dates at might bu somewhere um it was noticed properly I made sure the doc was noticed as a

separate application there are over a hundred comments about this app um it is completely up to the board on whether or not you want to hold a public are okay now do we want to vote on that tonight or we want to wait and give it one more month later respond to our questions I think we can vote on I you guys vote to whether not have a public 175 C student I public a lot of people so say I confir confir no we this is going been going on for years and years and years and public a lot of public coms we continue to have a lot Public hearing and more public hearings it's going to be kick and can down the road and it's probably going to be the same issues that have been brought up before so my vote is no there we're done with and my vote is no also because U for the simpar reason that we are kind of limited to what we can and cannot do you're very limited what what is the purp but the majority that's can't do that it doesn't pass you have take official V okay no no no would you like would you like to make a motion to set a public I want to make a motion to set a to not do a public because it's a split vote you should say um you ask for a motion keep it first and second it and then you

would go because it's comped I'd go down and ask everybody's vote if every okay can I get a motion hold public hearing for 175 um South I make a motion I mean the people have the right to be heard exactly and so you say yes yes and I second okay so yes or yes split so it doesn't it doesn't there been no public comment since the court hearing since the court decision that's crazy to do things have changed in four years despite what your legal opinion has has said there things have changed and you guys are commenting on remediation and we have opinions about that as neighbors this isn't about deciding whether we should have you know trucks going on portter out we should be able to talk about the remediation that you guys have discussing that's outrageous to my what citizens and neighbors that's a right people in unbelievable haven't even been down to see what we're doing everybody I don't I me je ches in there super strongly and then everybody changes their mind it's been years strongly think you guys should reconsider that that's outrageous we all live there begging you please Rec we have ideas we see every single day we have ideas you guys do not see that not that many people one one more one more chance just for us to be heard one more please thank you thank you patina we stood up for us I really appreciate it

you're welcome so the people need to be heard that's what Randall said and that's what democracy is about and I agree as well that's [Music] why based on our limitations I just what limitations you just you just presented new ideas you're going to talk to they are and you're not allowing people have feedback to your ideas maybe we don't want razor wire Constantin wire surrounding the site that you guys want to add more security maybe we don't want 24hour lights that we see from our house every single night maybe there's some input you guys should hear from us and you just presented a bunch of ideas without the people that look at that site every day chining in I mean it's pretty ridic aren on so right or on the site okay A lot of times you guys don't read the letters you have a lawyer to then take all our comments and put it into are extending public hearing forro building around the corner but not allowing for us to talk about this big part of Hudson infrastructure you know s years for years watching all this incomoda things have changed since a court finally ruled on this it's been in courts for three years and you're not allowing us to chime in it's ridiculous and we here we weren here we care about the Waterfront you have a choice to make some changes you're supposed to represent the city don't you care about your [Music] water bigger than a corporation allows people to CH one more chance please just one more one more public hearing just so we can be heard

can alsoe at next meeting you can revote after you see site so next month could you could you do that would you submit your comments to the board no we' like the public to be able I understand they are public once you submit them they're put up no you know it's a very different situation no but you you guys are just taking this and saying we have decided we have one site visit you wait a minute hold it hold it you can submit your comments and they will be publicized and we're going to do this again next month we now listen are you going to let me talk we're going to give everybody a chance to think about it and we're going to do it again next month okay but we're going to submit let you submit your comments so we can see what the concerns are if you don't want to write then don't come here and tell me what to do I'm asking you I'm asking you to submit your comments in writing just like you just said submit it in writing you can send it to the chair send it to all of us and we're going to come back next month and redo this okay makion no no decision so so so we're officially going to rote this issue next month Motion in other words we had a split decision so like she said it failed so can I to understand that that's a commitment that you're going to revote we'll revote next month commitment no it is commit but what is submitted will be taken into account if nothing is submitted then we can't take it into account

correct so all of you who have comments please take a minute write up send it to us so we can read them and that will help us change our mind or you know see it in a different way thank you just consider I know but writing is different than know you want writing to me is more effective no I agree because I can sit down and read what you're say everybody have he so we've got comments and writing we want more so submit your new comments and writing like somebody just said look for a couple years of things have changed so submit that okay and then we're going to redo this next month which would be March 11 March 11 okay thank you okay so now we have our 60 um I wante 5 minutes okay

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compliance Y and so I've got an email from Craig did you submit that to us to you right now oh no yes one sentence it's very quick I down but his statement Ada accessibility to the second floor is not required that the second floor is available um to the floor level with AA I talked to Craig on phone quite intensively about this yeah if it is the same use as a floor below meaning it's the same restaurant and not a second restaurant or a second in bed space then it does not need to be a complient if the applicant wishes to put a you know have a restaurant on the first floor and hold like a wedding above it that is not compliance correct and you would need to provide AI space yes that is not the intent so you can't have two events at one time more dining space okay so you won't be written upstairs on anything correct be right dining and waitresses you will your plan has to say on it then um for the code it's going to have to have some note before for its final submission it says no no events May take place secondary restaurant use only or something to that effect on the site plan to to memorialize this discussion was this submitted no no no you're going to need to add a note to the plan that memorializes this discussion so you're going to need to

add a note to the plan as a condition of approval stating no events no no events or meetings May stair secondary restaurant use those separate events no no separate events sep events yes it's intended for use of the first floor restaurant right it's extension of the yeah extension of the first floor restaurant and not additional or rental it needs to be that way so if you pull the writing up there Craig it needs to be something that Craig can enforce that's compliant with the conversation that you have with them but yes this says what you are saying it does and don't forget to put this in the portal okay so we can have it as um a record no okay I I want to do this correctly once so I don't have to back one more time so no secondary events may be held on the second floor why don't you take a St at it CZ an email and Cassandra myself yeah if you just send this email we'll we'll edit it it's just hard I guess no separate and distinct events it's a continuation of the restaurant continuation of the usth below it so let's say for example if it's McDonald's below it it's McDonald's seating above it's not McDonald's below it and don't forget to submit this email up yes does the board have any other comments besides this were there any issues I was the only comment well we could approve it tonight on the this did you

back where the stairs are that also so this is part of okay just see so that's the stairs from Front Street thats is there law thats that handicap should be able to ass set all parts of so that's not buing that's the steps areal steps are I never realize that no that's new that's going to go in yeah correct that's what's that's the side view oh okay right so this is this is the between to next to the stairs yes yeah there's flower are we live because we can't approve anything but not you can I just want if you go to the city's website this is the city so I just want to let the board know we do not

have you don't not have to do a public hearing with this I mean so wow we all AG that to yeah no problem so now I want to know if you want Tove it tonight I a motion this is a tye it's a yeah construction it's a type to action under 175 construction accessory construction less so do we do we have two no it's so it's excluded under so you ready to tonight agenda given day conss are asking for can do that are we do a motion with conditions or just okay so um yeah I'm going to let because read this well I can't ask ask for a motion okay I'm going to ask a motion to approve site plan application for 60 South Front Street on the conditions on the conditions of payment of all fees and Expo and approval by the planning board attorney and engineer of language limiting the second floor access use I a motion motion jimy second all in favor any oppose okay so you approved okay so I'll submit that so I'll upload Craig's email that I sent you and I'll submit something to YouTube oh wait a minute no I'm taking I'm running sorry that that's that was my fault you didn't do your you you didn't do an application fee nor did you do well all fees an

es so you're going to have that's why I put that we have a zero for you and we sent we gave you an um we gave you the resolution last month to establish ESO and it was uh 20 [Music] $2500 I thought they did okay no they that will be absolutely we'll get that okay and your fee did you pay your how much is the fee for that it's it's not okay so it's $300 so and we need those things that's fine that's part of the condition that's fine so you already you already L to Advance Sign it unless he does those two things yeah right you so um a $300 fee for your s application and um submit $2,500 for the okay you need so you need 2,800 is it two no two two separate one for fee application Fe called and then for500 okay I thought the was we'll check okay okay thank you so I don't need to come back no so email us email us to um what shair will forward it to us um what your language is and then we're going to once we approve the language you're going to have to send us the plan you can show what's on the plan true and then then just pay your fees and your all and you just drop the print take to theas office the treas office and then you drop the plans off at City Hall or come to meeting to get them

signed okay so what's up what's up okay fantastic thank you thank you okay new business 8-10 Academy [Music] hopefully I answers John hitot with ABD Engineers representing a Cav Hill development on this project um so this was part of a original uh M Ray estate PDD uh was consisted of two phases phase one uh is completely built out 28 units or 22 units is part of phase one and uh phase two believe CT mail back in 2005 had gotten uh this approved with 28 units only 19 were built out and we're looking to build out the remaining nine units which will be done out of three buildings just as it was approved um also in 2005 the storm Water Analysis was done for the overall development of phase two which uh again included these nine buildings and that storm water um practice was constructed so as far as storm water it's already designed and built to handle these uh units if it come to the stus of today only problem if you get to bring into green

infrastructure practices um I'll look at it but because it wasn't built back in 2005 you might have to update some of your work quality I also so I emailed you this you need all your Seeker documents because for all I know these weren't contemplated under Seeker so we might need to reopen the Seeker as well okay um I'm not sure I we need I'm so we're going to need all your PUD documents to make sure what approval this is and make sure that original conditions are being followed yeah and two we're going to need every SE like everything for Seeker for the entire project and if it was done in phases we're going to need everything to make sure this was contemplated do you need variances from we're going to need to see this right now I don't know if it's permitted under the zoning I'm making the Assumption based on the Pud that it is this is actually the R1 so there's and doesn't he have to do the sewer extension because of sewer should be there and SE there [Music] included Lot C and they're in a consent order so in order for new hookups there's a whole process we have to go through um WR engineering report yeah to 10 state standard showing usage and there's a whole school of things and I'll send that to you okay that you need to address um but then back to stor water I do think you're going to need to you know bring green infrastructure into it um for work quality because that wasn't contemplated back in 2007 okay or whenever it was you know permitted you're probably fine with qu or quantity quty yeah you're just going to need to do something you know rain Gardens or storm water Planters or something like [Music] um now what exactly are you building are you building uh three separate single family homes or you town houses that are all single family three town houses that

are single family yeah so it be one one building with with three similar to what's there now just be clear it's one L exactly but everything's separated by W yes okay so they're condos they're condos the soning code doesn't have condoms or town houses so technically everyone this is multifam housing which is not permitted in the R1 but I'm assuming from the plan the district it is it is it was contemplated in the original approval right I mean it's going to be the same building there's three units here uh this one's a three unit this one's a four unit if you have parking studies all and if they were done as part of the Seeker review you could send those they're all going to have garages right garage and the fire regulations are the same when they haven't upgraded since 2005 that would be more of a Craig issue talk about that real quick there this Hammerhead turned around here at the dead end which uh meets the current um fire code standards okay so yeah I mean if the fire department has to look at it we can send it to them or I don't like the some of the sheet rock and some of the other stuats have been have been uped you're right so the the their idea is to use the existing building type but those plans building plans will have to be brought up today to meet Cod what's what's the difference between a hammerhead and a cide a hammerhead is just kind of like a t turn around they they pull in they back up come Walter sh project 6 has that t Hammerhead at the end there's a couple different ation you can have have a you can have one that go straight through with the back out okay um and that's already there was there a reason why the other units weren't built at that time

uh my understanding I don't know why they weren't built right away um maybe the demand wasn't there um but recently the owner had gotten sick his wife got sick you he's back being healthy and he wants to startes so these are different [Music] owners back I was I was still in high school so it in so once I review the Pug I could tell you guys what you can you can't so uh I I think this might have even been approved by the town board and then the planning board previously had approved the 28 units per the city attorney's letter so if you have the original resolution that would be great so we could see what the original conditions were and I mean essentially besides bringing it up to code like I a lot of this might have already been sorted out by the prior board so we're just going to have to take a look and see what the what the board previously looked at versus what board can look at now um because it's if it's just a site plan Amendment like it's already been contemplated in the master plan then we're really not looking that much besides some environmental issues that the storm water Exchange in 2018 2017 2025 oh then again in 2025 he's right and then and uh you know the sewer because the sewer R are these going to be on Market rat any affordable homes that would be a question for the owner I can I can find that out for you yeah i' like to know that they actually buy the unit themselves it's not rentals okay yeah so that's nine additional and the HOA is in there there is an HOA so they would be included into the ho okay lot and everything area outside the house the

SE where the resid stop was it all did it started like that it's always I think it's always been an HOA um I believe the road in the infrastructure may have already been dedicated I could find that out that was supposed to be dedicated or maybe it hasn't been yet cuz was complete and that that' be one outstanding just to know if that's something we require for agreement before so um any more questions from the board because should we ask for a staging plan because there's other homes there and you know so that there's a minimum of disturbance from the other homes you can you yes you can ask for a seing plan I really I really want to look I what we really need is what was originally approved if they could find it that'd be perfect to see like how much of a change it is because if these were already contemplated in the master plan and I'm sure there's a master plan in the Pud somewhere then you're really just looking at you're not looking at location you're just looking at engineering issues and for all I know the Pud says they have to be brown and white and you can't change it and they have to be right I'm just saying to the existing home it was different when you buil all at once now now the new homeowners have to deal with well the Pud might what I'm trying to say is the Pud and the original site plan might spell this out plan development districts are very specific because they a zoning change right so they have a lot in them that like where they can go like a lot of site plan elements are out of the planning board's hands and the planning board didn't even look at the original 55 that was to city that was common Council that looked at it so I think before I can answer that question I really need to look at what was approved but most likely yes you can ask for student and what materials are going to be used I just don't know if they were already

contemplated under the Pud and and he doesn't know either you don't know I I don't know on on the building materials do you have orinal completely different I'd have to see Joe I think Joe's been emailing you in my office I kind of just dragg into this yesterday okay yeah he never respond you just okay do you want to take down my Emil yeah make sure you cop me what is your email John J at ABD en.com okay I'll send you an Emil to this and touch on the storm water real quick um we are it won't be under an acre disturbance oh so I that may because it's been so long since the original was built and it's residential but although you know town houses um if it went over an acre because of or Town House of count whatever you call it it would still require water quality but think we're under an acre with all three together let me look at it yeah that's something I'll put together I'll make sure it's clear yeah we [Music] need what's that an application fee of $300 okay and we need to set up an escroll account and that any expenses from Consultants that we use like the attorney and Mr Chris over there um see five um five we have the resolution here for ES we talk about it each yeah I think if this could require a lot or a little work right you saying that you you have to see the original plan yeah it's I have to like it's going to take leg work

to so so definitely it's going to be work I think I usually throw 10 out that's what I said yeah but then that's 10 unless that's just for that's just me okay 15 like I said it might be not much legal all the agreements could be done it's l me for 5 minutes being like checked it was dedicated you get it back what we don't use we rather have it because every time we put a um a resolution out it cost you money okay so we rather put in an amount that's going to cover yeah whatever they do then keep coming back to you because that's going to cost money okay now I know they already had did did did you see the checklist did you he submitted just online right yeah yeah seen that did you follow the checklist so to make sure that I and if you come to us with your PL not done has to actually do your work it's going to cost that's what I'm saying you know so I don't know maybe look at the che application is weing set up an offline meting before they come back to the board just so I can tell the board what but that's still going to cost I think he get that yeah I think I think that would be next St get all the documents we'll take a look at it and then this should be a very easy approval okay so um can I get a motion to do esro 15,000 I'll second and I'll second

all in favor I any oppos okay thank you oh don't forget and when the $300 check for the application review go to City treasur and Es go to the city the city city two sear checks City [Music] [Music] okay I have a question yes okay now we're going into other business yes ask a question I thought we discussed towards the end of last year about allocating funds for Tech you mean for for the for Rand it's too much to have Randall do this yeah no I agree I agree especially every mon you're locked out or something yeah they're not give me so can we have a city rep here next so you have two options okay option one you write to theor and with the com you ask for the mayor's assistant used to do it or someone else from the city if they have a tech person to come down and um to run the meeting for you option two you stop with hybrid meetings there's no legal requirement and in fact you can't even vote on non on video so the state doesn't allow that the state only requires in-person meetings gotta and you could still strm the meeting and just not allow H like a hybrid meeting means people can talk you in theory can still

have Randle run it if ites work it's just not recorded versus when you have a hybrid meeting then you have to have the public hearings people need to be able to speak and that's the difference so why can't we eliminate hybrid okay so I want to just a hybrid meeting means that we are saying that people online can speak but if we ran an inperson meeting it means that people online also no can see it but they we would record it we live that I to allow people to watch it all be accessible but they can't speak it to very clear people will come in to the public heing to speak and you know in all fairness to everyone who made comments tonight they're absolutely right what if you had a important in comment and then you know maybe you can't come to the next meeting and this is not the first time this has happened I mean I think it becomes an open meeting issue if you keep having this happen I and I can't you know I I can like I did it on mine I can guarantee what I can do and my streaming service I can't guarantee con the only reason why we did hybrid anyway wasn't it around time I mean so now most of the time most people are having technology where they meet in person now you're having in person and the committee on open government doesn't like hybrid meetings the committee on open government says you can't they don't like specifically board members because you can't see people's faces so it's state policy doesn't say you like doesn't like having necessarily public hearings online they actually would rather in person so the person can see the board the that the people can hear make sure people are not speaking you know they people can sit through the whole meeting the camera doesn't work suddenly you say the whole meeting happen it's it's cleaner to just have it in person so we can be held account we have have to make a motion I'm GNA make a motion that the hybrid meetings are discontinued

starting next month we do an inperson meeting for us and the public that I agree all in favor any oppos but I think we have to publicly state that you need to make sure that Linda posts it or whoever posts it online I would read a little on you C left but your agenda is it's specifically how you notice public hearings how you notice your agenda so your agendas need to be clear it's in person I would not even advert online other than the fact we be recorded and posted online if available watch it always filming that's that's up to you I me become an issue yeah I'm having problem connecting and getting the right password to their you know to to their Zoom that was the problem so it doesn't become an issue now I think the CBA is all in person I yeah a lot of most of the boards that I represent are all in person they don't allow um hybrid meetings why because every time they try to make the technology work it never works and it takes up a lot of our time not a good it's not a good visual yeah I know I watch somebody get us online it's random EXA ex you know okay so we're going to do that for next month not it will be in person only not going on okay that's so we got that any other questions from the planning board you go to the ID meeting want to tell us something I know that the uh what's the U not the bou

um I me who's the people down from across from Province Hall scy SC cour yeah scy Court's coming back they finally got their their ownership issues corrected and you know they they're getting money that project is going to proceed uh rehousing rehab that development down there ow income when they had yeah this the same income um there was a um there was a report at the last ID for Pat from progress and they give the Ida free report every year they talk about the justification that happened in Hudson and how um many many people were displaced Hudson I think was one of the top people we lost so many people through gentrification can't AFF to live yeah however we they did say we made excellent in the homes that we have in the pipeline so we have a lot of homes in the pipeline that can be uh that some of them you know would have some fraction of affordability some of them are full of photable housing but our pipeline look good so um we're going to have a lot of phot housing if it all goes through a lot of it uh depends on federal money so um you know that's always a wild card especially now but um those were those were really the two takeways from the last uh meeting that I can think of anybody has anything to say about anything that took place today that they want elaborate on are yes we're doing other business I have okay so I turn everything over to I think it would be helpful to clarify what is in our purview for them to speak to

please I'm not connected to WiFi down back to karuso and them wanting a public hearing I think it's important for them to know our limitations so I mean because otherwise we're going to spend an hour listening to comments that we have no jurisdiction of so you can't limit public comment that they can say whatever they want um I you know we discussed on the record what we what you can can look at I mean there's very smart people in the city they they read the case they're very involved um there's very smart business owners down there so they may know that they just want to be heard or you know everyone has that right and everyone has a right to be heard yeah I I kind of think it's just that they want to be heard I think they totally understand our restrictions but they want to be heard and you know the other option is to give them one meeting one public he all you're going to do open and closed that night so usually usually three minutes which is our always been our rules it's on every single posting we have we make people sign in you know also we can also do it on a separate night we don't have to have it on a regular meeting night but that's an interesting I don't mind the conversation we're still in the meeting but I want to keep it really like we already talked about of course we can go back but you know I think unless you know we've already discussed um but she wanted to clarify oh yeah no that's fine and we're in that part where you know any planning board member have something to say this is the time to say it well can we can we take the documents once you found that and put that out there so everyone also knows everyone's on the same page this the document that that that talks about the the the

modification that we are empowered to make it is out there but we can repost let's repost that yes so that so it's clear for people to see this but again I do think it's important that people should be heard as I was mentioning for 601 Union we did go down for the sake of one uh tenant in the front of one owner and view the house and spent like a whole afternoon I think we should go down there okay but tell you you you you skipped the part that tells us what you're talking about you said somebody that asked you to come down and I think we all he's been he solicited all of us yes it was in the thing but but we the the neighbors said if we can come down within the purview of the the space that we're talking about and walk that from that perspective that would be helpful because we've done that we've done that for M Street we've done that we did that Union Street too we got a perspective from exactly with the owner and I think we as a board should do the same thing so um okay so the uh a site plan visit should we do that before the next meeting I think we should so will the chair or Randall or your [Music] subcommittee I mean would you guys like uh okay can I say it what um who approached I the public has approached the board members of the board multiple occasions to come and see the other um what they're doing what's happening proposals things that it are there working and things that are proposed to be there okay so when we go down and we have use our imagination in some cases and in other cases there are things and she going to tell us what's relevant and what's not but I'm just saying all this has got to be within the parameters of the distance that we're talking about that's impacted and then it may may we may come

up with even more comments on exactly that's what I'm saying what we want to see that was a good visualize directly and to tell you the truth I would prefer that too when we are invited it's relevant I think that we people need to be heard I mean if they're passionate about something and they have something in written form they also want to verbally say and they want to invite us I think we have an obligation as a board to meet with them to to we don't have to say oh I agree with you I we don't have to voice anything but at least hear that other perspective no sides to a story and I want you as a board member I want to hear all sides so I can be fully informed exactly now have you looked at the um go have you been into the portal and looked at everything 2016 I haveen and I look at comments no in general you know they coms know that's resp the comments don't mean we don't it's not it's not your obligation to respond to comment that's what I think they got mixed up that because we don't respond and like when they send them to me directly I send them to everybody immediately and then I ask SEC the portal you know but for this particular application if you have make sure you review the doc comment specifically of course just because the public hearing especially if if you choose not to hold the public hearing because those people should be heard now um what now you were saying going to visit the other uh the other side of the tracks yeah but she going to tell us

what the parameters are Cassandra and then so everybody understood that so who will approach we're going to let make ation who will appr first US no she's just looking up the paramet I don't know what section well we can find that out it doesn't have to be tonight yeah I tomorrow it's hard I can't look on my computer do we do we need do we need to make a motion a motion to do a site visit um uh do a motion to do a site visit and remember if there's a quum of you though you can only speak to the not you can't have a meeting of the mindes and I probably won't attend this one so I make a motion that we do a side visit and you to get another perspective other side to talk to the neighbors to the neighborh to see impct the impacted we've been act by himd I'll email you I'll look at the SM okay so what's the rest of our our did you get a second first oh yeah I second it so we're going to try to do that meeting all in favor all in favor okay so Rand will set it up okay or you can send it to me and I'll set it up do so and and he's going to be there to take us time yeah and we'll have to and we're going to do that before next month's meeting yes we did it around um the time that I could attend we did on a day that I had so we set stuff up next week then I have more flexibility next week is a

good next week off so it's a good time so let's try to do it yeah I just have to look at I do have appoint but next week is not bad okay so we we just all got to get our together everybody on this board has got but I could do something in the day on next week later so Rand get a couple dates how Tuesday in the morning hold on I let you know that's the 18th isn't it I don't know is the 18th um if it's before 11:30 fine I have an appointment on that day you want to do 10 to 11 10 to 11 is fine with me what's going on I I have to be at some place at 1130 which means that it need I need 11:00 about Wednesday the 19 Wednesday I am not free on Wednesday I'm in albony okay you know what maybe batina or Monday how about two days Monday is President's Day how about two days 1 p.m how about two days that's fine how about Thursday 2m 1M Thursday Thursday I don't have anything the 20th booked in my calendar hold it hold it we're doing I know

you okay now we're have the bill Fray 1 I'm not why don't we just send emails and so that we're not doing that I know Friday is not good for me I told you what good for me did we make a motion to approve all the bills like we talked about okay to identify the okay take that from there say the vouch number okay the bill submitted for this month Barton and Lis total of 5,568 25 do you need the individual no that's the date dat was presented was February 7th 2025 all right second one that we received was from rhen Chelli and [Music] paloro total of $2,587 dated February 7th 2025 I got a motion to pay yeah it should be noted that within a month that these bills are now going to be posted to on on the mun collab well the the um the ones from Victoria have been posted working through and and BNL was working through okay all right so I make a motion to approve a second all in favor any oppos n now um planning board the planning board minutes uh we did have changes

that you guys see the new draft of the planning board minutes we have some changes on them okay and the fact that um they were kind of posted right they posted online and it should have been posted as a DFT there was corrections made into it so there's a new right new document for that it wasal final has put out and we're proving the minutes man with the correction yeah with the correction so they won't be the same minutes okay all right so can I get a motion to approve the minutes uh with the corrections uh for January 14th 2020 oh yes okay who second a motion you had a motion on the minutes did you all vote Yes okay there you go can I get a motion I make a motion I do J who first second I once I'm leaving wide