Architectural Review Board - Regular Meeting

Mr. Chair, we are live and I will call the meeting to order of the April 10th Architectural Review Board and ask the staff would please call the role. Yes, sir. Uh, Vice Chair Jones is not with us. Chair Lovely here. Member man here, Secretary Ritter here, member Parsons here, and alternate Bartles Meyer is not with us in that capacity this evening. Alternate Rderman is not with us. Our council member Leaison Nyion is not with us. And our commission liaison cone is not with us. But we do have qu 4. Very good. All right. Uh so with that, we do have some minutes of the meeting of uh March 13th and I would ask for a motion. We have a motion. Is there a second? Mr. Parsons or Miss Bam. Either one. Uh any discussion? All those in favor say I. I. No. The eyes have it. The minutes are approved. Um our agenda, we will be dealing with the reserve at Wildwood. Not aware of any other items, but that's our quick review of the uh agenda items that we are that at least the chair is aware of. Uh the agenda calls for at least the opportunity for public comment if there's comments from anyone from the public other than dealing with the case and not seeing either anyone online or here. I take it back. We uh Mr. Chair, we do have Carrie online. If Kerry would like to speak at this time, please use the raise hand feature. Mr. Chair, I see no raise hands. Okay. We do not have any public comments. Whole business. I'm not aware of any old

business. Is anyone else? Not. We will move on to new business. And the new business deals with the reserve at Wildwood. And we will ask the staff to read it in and let the staff comments. Mr. Chair, it's the reserve at Wildwood 17225 Manchester Road. The preliminary review of architectural elevations, 3D renderings, and floor plans for five designer series houses to be available within the reserve. The new 115 lot subdivision with Mr. Chair, with your permission, please Keith and I are kind of going to do a bit of a tag team tonight. intent I from the perspective of the department is to give you a little background on the reserve. I think it helps to kind of put context to what you're looking at in terms of architectural review elements and then this kef will kind of go through what you receive in terms of the packet of information and some other additional items. First and foremost, this may be one of the longest standing projects that the Department of Planning and several home builders have been working on for many years. In fact, the PZ number how we track it actually is from 2015 and it started with King was bought off by Fiser Homes is no longer an entity who's developing in the St. Louis area. The public hearing on this particular proposal was in 2017. I say this particular proposal because the original submitted by P family homes between Northern Pipe. It had um much smaller lots. Some of those lots were served by

alleys and for the most part it had more of a a grid pattern of streets. What you see here, that particular proposal went through almost two years of review and ultimately paying family homes pulled it off the table saying it's just not something we're comfortable with. We're hearing from the community. We're even hearing from the planning and zoning commission which recommended approval. It's not exactly what they want. Kayen family homes then spent the better part of several months kind of working through a different approach. That approach was perfurbia. It's kind of counterintuitive to new urbanism. There's a gentleman up in Minnesota, Richard Harrison, that's an advocate of preferia. It's more traditional subdivision development in terms of residential type, but it places each home individually on a lot. No two homes have the same kind ofation toward the street. They're angled different. They're usually set further back in the lot. So the front yard is greater than the back room and there is usually a long sidewalk, long driveway and the streets always ending culde-sex and they they are they have more curves through them. So again it's about what you see when you drive in terms of house placement, street, etc. the proverbia um kind of got traction here at the city and ultimately an ordinance was developed. But as the as that was being kind of discussed at city council, it became clear that just wasn't a workable solution because the streets had some

issues with them. um culde-sacs, lack of rear entry garages, things like that. So ultimately kind of morphed into what I would call a low impact development, streets without curbs, storm water that was handled by earth and swelles, things along those lines, which are components of this current plan. When McKelby Holmes kind of stepped up to the plate, we had a meeting and really talked through all kind of four components of what the project was. New Orbit is preferably low impact and now McKelby home and for the most part we asked them to pick one of those and do the best you can and then we'll alter the ordinance if necessary to achieve the best project on this particular 50 acre site we could. So over that course of time, it's gone from 167 homes and lots to 132 homes and lots. And then when McKelby Holmes decided to proceed forward, they actually reduced it even further to 115 lots. So this is the least dense proposal on the 50 acre site since we started discussing it 10 years ago. So for trivia purposes when the city incorporated this particular site the 50 acres was authorized for a 500,000 square foot into mall nine outlots and an important complex of over a 100 units. It was to mirror Chesterfield Mall and that's why you often hear about Pong Grover Loop Road. So the intersection of Route 109, Route 100, and then a loop road, much like Chesterfield Parkway, would encircle the

mall. Right after the incorporation, Bara Land Development had the property under contract and had a subcontract with Deerbergs and Deerbergs was going to build their store at this location. Ultimately, as you know, they moved to the east. Thereafter in 2007 and 2008, Target had the project under contract via Desco Group and that Target development actually got approval from the city. It didn't proceed forward because they asked for public financing specifically either a community improvement district or a transportation development district or both. I don't remember exactly. And in 2015, we started the residential component and that's where we end up tonight. Just a couple of things. Um, as the architectural review board, you all are the experts on materials, design, colors, etc. But in the ordinance approved by city council for this particular property, there are a number of items relating to architecture, and I just want to kind of describe those for you. So you kind of know part why Homes is bringing some of the things to the table tonight. First, as with all residential developments in Town Center, we do not accommodate vinyl siding here. Has to be either some type of wood, stone, brick, or fiber cement siding with backer board. So no vinyl siding. um carer lots when a lot has double frontage that both portions both elevations of the dwelling that face to the street have to be treated like they're the fronts. So again the front has usually the porch but any of the components the

architectural components like shutters windows with mullions or dividers that has to be replicated on that side. Um, in terms of um the the units themselves, they all have to have front porches. The depth has to be a minimum of 5 and 1/2 ft. And there has to be a step or at least two from sidewalk grade to the porch. Again, elevating it just a bit. Garage doors have to be carriage types with windows. The shingles have to be architectural types and with a minimum 30-year guarantee. Inside the home, there has to be a 9- foot interior ceiling height. Again, kind of creating a little bit of a difference than the standard 8 foot height that you see on many of the other builder's homes uh elsewhere metropolitan area. So the intent again of city council is to lay basically lay a solid foundation so that when the architectural review board sees the actual renderings uh plans and materials they know why and how it all got here. With that I'll conclude and just asked if there's any questions on the history of the site. It is an interesting one. If it could talk it would tell some real good stories I imagine. um and any of the things that city council included in the sight specific ordinance. And the last thing I'll say is due to federal regulations relating to bat habitat, there actually has been some clearing on the site prior to April 1st. So development is underway at least at this early stage. Thank you. Overall ground elevation I I've been it's that's low down, isn't it? How are how are we in terms of water flow and issues of those kinds? Well, that's a very good

question, Mr. Chair, because this is kind of near the headarters, Bottom Creek, and the immediate property to the south or downstream is Community Park. And so, when our city council was going through all of the different discussions, one of the things that came quite clear is we really need to address storm water management. MSD signed off on it already and their regulations are pretty darn good these days because of the phase two clean water act requirements. So channel protection, flood mitigation and water quality. We're still in a bit of a discussion. They're they're they're what they call stack basins and you see them over in the villages of Brightly. People hate them over there because they're usually deeper because you're stacking all three components of management in a single basin. So they're deeper. Slide slopes are steep. You usually have some kind of rock material in there basically to create the forbay from the detention. The plants you really have to maintain them to foster the plants that are that like the like having wet feet so to speak. But we have a grouping of them. And if you could go to that site plan, I appreciate it very much. There's a grouping of them. And one of the things we asked them to do was for the most part minimize the number of basins if at all possible, which I think in a roundabout way ended up making them even a little bit deeper than what we typically see because we wanted less. They have to come. They have to carry more. so to speak of the water. That's all right, Robin. They have it in front of them, but we think we're in good shape with storm water. Now, as soon as I say that, we'll get another set of rains like we had last weekend and all

of that just goes out the window. And And do they have I know Creek has flooded because I live there. Do they have flooding issues Bottom Creek? You said that's on Bottom Bottom Creek, right? Do they have flooding issues there? Bottom Creek is not as bad as Cox Creek, Fox Creek, and Wild Horse Creek, but as you get further down toward Pond Road, Ria Road, and some of those areas around Babler State Park, yes, we do have some flooding there. Um we've not yet had water up the bank community part and all in all we are getting some erosion there but again I don't know if I can attribute it to a single development or group of developments it's just these storms there's no s the hundredyear storm now seems to happen every five or 10 years and even more frequent in some instances but yes bottom creek Actually, we're do we're and sorry, we're going to be doing a our first storm water management master plan hopefully starting sometime late summer, early fall. We have nine watersheds. In terms of stress, it's always Cox Creek that has the greatest amount of development, but quite frankly, we're seeing problems on Wild Horse Creek with the roads flooding out there. Friday night, there was a water rescue by Monarch Fire Protection District and then Fox Creek. We've had people that have lived along Fox Creek for decades saying we're getting water now. We've got a couple of the properties where it actually at August of 2019 rain that flooded Route 109 had the car floating down it with the young lady in it. They had water. Several of them had water in their basement and never had that. So, but yeah, Bottom's one of our more friendly creeks right now and watershed. Okay. Thank you. You're very welcome.

Thanks for the questions. See, I have a question. I I don't know. Can Can we go to the first slide that Mr. Vunich showed? Um I don't I don't see the the roundabout on 109 that's smack dab in the middle here. Um that's that roundabout is terrible. Oh, okay. That's the Main Street Future Extension. Is that that's pretty close to where it is almost exactly that roundabout's terrible and it's going to take a lot of a lot of pressure from uh home homeowners, you know, 115 uh homes over in here. Um there's not too many options. They can't go up to State Road 100. Although there is some little lane there, I guess, but that's near the gas station. Yeah. Yeah. This is the BPM by your subdivision, Philip 66. Right. Right. Roundabout roundabout traffic. I just think that uh that roundabout's going to get a lot of major use. And uh that that is not the greatest roundabout in the world u to this day. And that that that was my only concern to bring up. I guess you can also get out onto Manchester Road and and head out, but that roundabout's going to take a lot of heat. I I would think. Well, I I know what you mean because if you drive by that particular roundabout, you can see that the guardrails always been it's getting nicked and hit. So, it just the the configuration we're looking at. Obviously, we've got to make it work for Main Street because they're going to extend Main Street, as you know, from the site plan down to basically here. This is the neck that's the community college has. And this this gray area,

this was a 50- foot wide dedication the community college gave to the city because we are anticipating a roundabout here. At this stage, given how development works, it takes years to or maybe not years. I'm sure the Kelly homeless would like to say it takes months for us to fill us out and build it, but we don't need the roundabout right now. So, it's just going to be a a one oneway stop here and then people can work their way up. Yeah, your point's well taken. And as you know, Mr. Parsons, too. Once you get to the edge of the roundabout, it drops off almost like a cliff and then comes back up. Yeah, it's like candid. Then uh for some reason cars coming up from the south and stuff, they they have a problem when they get in that roundabout and with that, you know, other people trying to do what they want to do and stuff, you almost end up in a I've had several near collisions from because I've tried to go I try to go to Main Street, you know, and they just don't realize that, you know, people want to do that. I'll pass it on to Mr. Brown, our director of public works, and obviously Mr. Bormile representing McKelie Holmes, who knows what your concerns are. Do our best. Thank you. Well, Mr. Chair, I'm going to hand the baton off. Thank you. Appreciate the question. Right, Mr. Chair, members of the board. Uh I'm just going to give you uh a bit of an overview of what you're reviewing tonight, some elements of the package before you and then I'm going to very swiftly turn it over to uh Mr. Barl. Uh so tonight, uh this is a preliminary review. Um, and we're we're looking at the architectural elevations, the 3D renderings and floor plans for five designer series houses um that are going to take up about 63 lots out of this 150 subdivision. So, we're not

actually looking at all of the house series this evening. Um, the homes that you're looking at this evening have greater widths. Um, they're on lots with greater widths. Uh they're the homes themselves are approximately 68 feet wide and they have three far garages. So that's you're looking at the the wider lots evening. Uh in your packet we did include um or Mr. Vlmeer included a site plan uh of the reserve development um and different components of the site plan including uh the parks plan and public space plan. Um also the renderings for uh the reserve monument signs that will label the subdivision either end of it. And then as discussed uh variations of homes for five designer series. Um included in your packet this evening is just the front elevation renderings for each of these homes. Uh the department has requested uh that um a full 360 uh view of at least one variation of a home per series uh been presented to you at the next meeting. Uh the department has provided some preliminary com preliminary comments to the applicant. Uh but we will be providing uh more detailed comments after this meeting uh based on this discussion. Uh so no action is requested of you and unfortunately our captions are blocking which the the label of the series. Uh but I'm sure Mr. Bartles Meyer can give you the rundown uh when he comes up to present, but I just wanted to uh give you a quick run

through of all the variations um that are included in your packet. So, that brings me to the end of my introduction. At this time, I'd like to turn it over to uh Alex, senior architectural designer for just before you do, just a question here. As I'm looking at that the pictures and I'm looking at this diagram, whatever. Things look good with all the trees behind to what extent are a lot of those trees going to be there. If we've got this many homes and those lots are talk to me a little talk to us a little bit about that ground soil green, you know, trees and so I mean that I don't trees behind you, but are there going to be trees around if you if your homes that seem to be in some cases pretty close together? Mr. Chair, what I will tell you is is that if you have a a lot that's along the perimeter, you'll have some trees behind your property that are being preserved either as part of the outlot, which is for commercial purposes, it may someday be developed. There's another portion of common ground along Route 109 on the southernmost end of the property and then along the western bounty and B Creek. As this went through planning and zoning commission, Mayor Bolan at the time was adamant that many of the trees be saved around the perimeter of the site so as we wouldn't experience the the push back we got at villages at Brightleaf and so that's been factored in along Bottom Creek is the most generous area of tree preservation obviously because of our concerns about stability but on the interior of the site trees that you'll see are the trees

that get planted Are the trees are what? They'll be planted to be planted. Sorry. Okay. Thank you. Just a quick question. Any of these homes uh uh uh designated to be rentals? Rental properties? We do not we don't have rental properties. And then after that, it's whatever Wildwood's requirements are for rental properties, but we will not be having any rental properties. Yes. And I sorry, go ahead. No, and I actually think about it. We will have an HOA. I'm pretty sure it is requirement in our HOA not allowing rental properties. Um, not 100% sure on that, but I'm pretty sure that is part of our our typical HOA agreements. It's not allowing rental properties within the communities. Oh, sorry. At this time, take the presenter seat. Um, I'll give a little breakdown a little bit of um the houses. Yes, there are presented right now in front of you is five houses. In the end, there will be total of like 16 houses. Think my math's right. No, 15 house. I think it's eight, seven. So, 15. Um, this is going to break down. We have two different plan series that we're offering. Um, designer series, which are presented. Five of the houses are presented tonight are all in the designer series. It's five of the seven in designer series. Would love to have all seven, but two of them just weren't ready for pres presentation yet.

Um, these are our larger homes. Um, if you go to this nice little color breakdown, those houses are on lots uh um C and D, which is the white and yellow lots. Um, those are primarily along Main Street. If you notice, I can easily tell the yellow, but other than anything else, it's pink, blue, or everything is white. So, I'm not sure what the white lots are. It's well I mean like it's basically the other lots that are all all those other lots all the other lots that are white those are the white lots so um yeah so those all lots will be our designer series houses the other two lot sizes um lots A and B will be our Liberty series um the difference between those lots our Liberty series do have our narrower houses. Um they start with our two twocar Liberty series houses which are roughly uh 40 ft wide and then there's the option for a third car Liberty series which um which goes up to 50 foot wide. In that series we have eight total houses. Five will be available for the two car lots and all eight are available for the three car lots. That works because five of them were designed for two car lots and then add on a third car where the other three in that set were designed for three car lots. So, um so that's a quick breakdown of that. As we said, we'll continue this presentation. I think next time we come, we'll probably be reviewing some of the

Liberty series plans. Some of them are really close being ready, but we're focusing on the designer series right now because this community is going to be done in phases. Um phase one um will basically be coming off the roundabout and comes most it's mostly Main Street and comes basically Main Street here. Actually, So, it's going to main street all these lots along the way. This culde-sac will be included and then it comes basically right here. And I think we're basically stopping there. So, it's just Main Street here and here. Of that, majority of them are designer series, which we're presenting tonight. And I think it's these seven, eight lots are Liberty series. So, um, that's why we're trying to get the designer series through first, get comments on those, get those ready as quick as possible. Um, but hopefully we have everything approved by the time we start breaking ground selling all that. So, but we just want to make priority to that. So um of what is presented to you guys said there are five lots um or houses presented um the breakdown is two of them are ranch plans um and the other three are what we call story and a halfs. They're two stories but with the master on the first floor. So, uh, the sizes range. Um, I know so I don't think it's on here, but, um, I have much else. Um, material-wise, uh, we have in the packet, we do have a

breakdown of the materials we're offering. We do have over exclusively architectural shingles, roofing. Our siding material is hardy board. Um meet the city's requirements. Um and then masonry we offer, we only do full bed depth um stone or brick, multiple different color samples up there. Not so um Yes. Scott, has the uh has the fire people have they given an approval to this or looked at it or given any inputs to it about the entire neighborhood? I know it starts out it's not built all at one time, but uh they have any kind of input to uh trying to do here, Mr. Parsons. Yes. Just a little bit more trivia. Metro Vest Fire Protection District has a new fire marshal. Joe Hafner Rod Cook retired after many, many years. But yes, we required Stocken Associates is doing the civil work. So we required them to submit the improvement plans to the fire marshall and just yesterday I got a email from Mr. paper to Stock and Associates saying that the board approved the hydrant ordinance which is almost the last step and the only thing that's out there right now and it's a comment that came from the Department of Public Works Department of Planning after he met with the fire marshall as you know street width is critical for parking and so the original design and the improvement plans had the streets at 26t wide which means that there it restricted parking on both sides do 26.1 ft park on one side nonh hot side. So we've asked them to basically increase the street wood to

26.1. That was really the only outstanding comment that we had from the discussion. I will note too that the fire marshall asked that we remove there's a sheet that shows some of these speed humps. They asked that we remove several of them along Main Street which is the primary arterial so to speak and we did that. So, we're very very close. So, either the city or the HOA will designate one side of the street that it's for parking and the other side park. Usually, it's the the non-hydrant side because we don't want to park that hydrant. So, I don't have the resolution from the board with me, but whatever side they ended up putting the hydrants, that's the side we'll post for the parking. Sorry, Mr. Bar. I just had all that stuff today. No, that's good. That's actually information I was not aware of. So, out of curiosity, so if it's 26.1 to get parking on one side, what do you need for a width if you wanted parking on both sides? I think it's almost 33 or 35 feet. Okay. Just which is a whopper. Yeah. Yeah. And and you probably I'm going to make this meeting too long, but just real quickly, you know, there's that push and pull between the fire marshall and us. Wider streets increase respon improve response time and ensure that there's a passable lane at all times. Wider streets increase speeds. Yeah. And they make them, in our opinion, a little more unsafe. So it'll be Natalie are kind of going back and forth and back. So make a long story short, it'll be 26.1. Well, we're trying to speed through some of those curvy roads could be a little tricky. Yeah. Round. Yeah. Got the roundabout.

But and the fact that they're all culde-sacs, which is atypical for town center. People usually when they get in ar speed because there's nowhere to go. So effectively we're kind of moving away from new urbanism in one area. I would say that's a very accurate depiction west of Route 109. Yeah. And and I can understand it. the the grains uh the density that they're trying to get the deforestation really needs to happen if you're going to make the topography work for drainage. U seeing all the garage facing portions of the development, but unless you're going to develop some sort of an alley solution, you're never going to get rid of them. the alley solution just hasn't been wellreceived. Yeah, first and foremost we have it. Um, in port it's a Camberry and I know the townhouse town home owners struggle with it. Windsor Crest wants us the city to accept the alleys. We've accepted alleys of the meadows at manners at the meadows of cherry hills main street crossing and brightly. So you know they were intended to be private. Now taxpayers are going to pay to maintain them. So most part I think the compromise we're trying to always reach is not to have the garage doors the first thing you see when you come down the street meaning that the porch or portion of the home in front of the garage doors. Typically we use a distance anywhere from about six to

15 but just St. English market I'm finding has a certain type of house people like if you get too far away from that that may not necessarily be in the best interest of everybody other than the um roads that might get you to be for example or the whatever they're either bike routes or pathways or yeah sidewalk what what's the another vehicle or mechanism for uh maybe getting out out of that community to adjacent areas that might not might involve something other than cars. Yeah, there is actually there are sidewalks that I'm looking for. I thought there was included. I may not have included it. I can help. Yeah, you can. Sorry. I I've been taking this home for like for a month straight. So you know where it's all at, right? Main Street here. So it's a hiker biker type route that follows the separate from the road itself. It's a very much so. And then all of the culde-sac streets have sidewalks. Okay. And then here we actually require Mckelby Homes to build the trail connection up to the Philip 66. There's already trail that goes from front of Philip 66 to the tunnel. So people will be able to access under the tunnel the rest of the trail system toward town center dear specifically be able to access the pedestrian bridge if they want to go on the north side and then anywhere north by Lafayette High School. We are going to require a sidewalk here. It doesn't

connect anything. Probably during COVID, we had a grant from the federal government to build a trail, multiple views trail from Route 109 and Manchester Road up to basically Living Word Church. This co everybody was concerned about all the funds. How much would we have? We have to match some of that. So that's not in the works right now. So we'll have a gap between this portion of the site and terms of pedestrian facility inside the development and to the east and north of the development is connected. Can I ask who owns the parcel to the southeast of this 115 acres or 50 acres in here? Yeah, this is a 10 plus acre site. It was owned by the Tashannons. Mr. Tashannon passed away a couple of years ago. His wife now is there and her her their daughter lives here in Wildwood as well. We have a proposal that went to the development and zoning review committee on that 10 acres for some senior housing. It's very very early in the development stages. Don't know what's going to happen. Then there's Pond School, Old Pond School, which is owned by the city. And then this crack right on the corner is owned by one of the Deerbergs. I had been told it was the Deerberg that owns the bank. And I looked at putting a bank there long time ago, but never came to fruition. Honor Parcels has Bomb Creek. It goes right through the center. It's kind of delayed its development. I think does pond school have some recreational area in addition to the school and other do would is that from a recreational standpoint useful for the residents in that area? Yeah.

So we go back to that fund that showed the parcels. I'm sorry. Thank you for helping me, Miss Keith. I do appreciate it. I can show you real quickly once we get Sorry. So P school is in that section. Yes. And somehow I thought it was person was to the east. Well, that's actually on the trails here. Oh, that one. So this is the Chashannon property and they own one, two, three, four lots that forms that 10 plus acres. This is old pond school. Okay. Just an acre. And then this is that Jim Dearberg property as I recall. So kind of from here it's um quest. This is the vacant property on the corner southwest corner of Route 109 of New Chester Road. This is Quest Church. This is the Church of Latterday Saints. The neck that sees into New School here. Okay. Thank you. So, we'll have the access almost directly across the street from the school as well. Sounds good. Actually, if you want to go down one slide, that was the one I was thinking of. The purple there is walking paths. Oh, okay. So, that's showing the walking paths through there, which is exactly as Joe described it. The one thing is there's a path through the center of the park as well or center of the N community as well. And asphalt

pavement or or like cement uh blocks, I mean cement sidewalk, sorry. What? As asphalts are usually better to ride a bike on, I guess what I'm getting at. You prefer asphalt? Yeah. Because as you know, when you do concrete replacement like slabs and that and sidewalks, they've got to sit for a week and you have to block off and whereas asphalt you mill it down, put new asphalt on it, you use this the same day almost. Yeah. So those will be asphalt. I mean, I can find the thought sections and I'll believe it for sure. Are there any HOA facilities clubhouse any kind of stuff? There is a playground. Um gray area right here. Playground. Not a pool. It's a play. Yeah, just a playground. It seems to be somewhere. There is no pool or any any facility like that. Yeah, there's also a few gazeos be up there. The other one, try to remember where that's located. I got it right here. Another gazebo at the end of this old sack here. Nope. Sorry, that's sitting space. Sorry. Gazebo here at the beginning front of the community and then one here at this path connection point. Chair. Yes. Go ahead. One of the comments we made is provide a cross-section of the multiple use trail. So, I don't have that information, but

my recollection was we talked last. That's our preference. Although I will tell you Great Rivers Greenway now builds all their trails in concrete and I I haven't seen a hand up or whatever, but I just give May an opportunity to anything comments or and I don't know if you can I guess you can probably see the map, but you probably can't see when he's highlighting things. I don't if you have questions or comments. I just wanted to give you a moment if you had either questions or comments as we're looking at that. Okay. Other questions or comments from anybody? Curious as to the price range? Not settled just yet. Um I know we're in the process of especially now w with us knowing some relatively that that it's going to be for sale later this year. We have been collecting the pricing for it. Um uh about 3,000 square foot houses. Uh it fluctuates. Um, the Liberty series with the smaller lots. I think the smallest one in the Liberty series actually is I want to say 1,800 square ft and but you can get all the way up to some of the larger on the the the designer series can get up to I want to say 3600 square ft. So, you're talking nearly $850, $900,000 house. Oh. Uh I mean like yeah, for the designer series based off finishes, I mean like yes,

we're looking at that price if not higher. Um um the Liberty series, yeah, you're probably looking the lowest. Don't hold me to it, but in the 600s, maybe 700s. Yeah. Um, you're looking at $250 to $300 a square foot. Yeah, roughly. We We usually don't break it out like that because the finishes that are selected can fluctuate that so quickly. So, I know some people always come to us and ask what our square footage costs are. Like, what are your selections? And they'll tell you what your square footage cost is. So, um, but yeah, you're probably looking somewhere around that range. So, Um, as for the houses, um, as I said, we did, um, doing a Hardy board throughout on all sides. Uh, we did continue. It wasn't a requirement by the city, but we decided where we could do it. We um, we've trim, we're trimming out every window on all four sides and also extending grill patterns to all four sides. It's not a usual standard for us, but um with the city requirements, we thought it would be uh a good feature, especially because it was going to be a requirement on corner lots. So, we believe it would look better for it to be universal across the community. Considering that there was off the round about How do you keep random traffic out? Probably won't. Some people may want to bypass the traffic signal and go through Main Street to get to Manchester Road. Let's say you're bringing your child on school

or something. So that's why Main Street is actually 30 feet in width. So it's a it's an oversized road by town center standards. um has the sidewalks, pedestrian facilities, will have all the street lighting, safety features as well. But Mr. Rutder, I we haven't it it's almost impossible to keep and we have it in community park. People they want to avoid route 100 109. They'll go through the park to get westbound on state route 100. Mr. Chair, I I just have a couple of thoughts. I think the the placement of the openings generally are centered well over the doors, the garage doors, etc. Just generally speaking, they followed good rules of architecture. I defer to Mr. Ritter if he has a different opinion. I like the houses. I wish there was more character variation than simply material variation, but that's what's being built today. See that you didn't show us any white farmhouse style that has grown old quickly. I just saw an article about that about big white houses with black trim. Yeah, it's still still out there. It may not be as predominant was a few years ago, but there's still the occasional person. Yeah.

Yeah. Any else? Anybody? No action on our part as I as I understand it. It's just to kind of preliminary take a look and see observations. I mean we've shared some observations that you've kind of addressed. That's correct. If there if there are any anything that should be included in the next round of review. Um now is now is your opportunity to advocate for such. Um if you have any particular comments that you would like to pass on so that we can get them included in the next restriction in the city's requirements for I know we have five plans and 65 lots at this point for plan A to be xar away from the next plan A. Yes, we have in the ordinance an antimot clause. So basically it deals with intersections and other locations. They can't have the same unit corners and then post location. So I couldn't make out what you said. You couldn't have what an anti- monotony oh requirement. It in the ordinance it speaks to the intersections of the streets primarily main street so that there's a variety of housing types and so you don't get a stretch of the same type of househ in one location. I was going to say, and no disrespect to planners, but the repetition of some of the houses that are seen on the other side of 109 is every planner's dream and every architect's nightmare. Understood? And it's it's just we did our best, I would tell you, on villages of brightly, Mr. Dubberry,

who's our senior planner, he had a had the plan out, had different colors for each of the types. We the color coding told us if we were getting too many in a row. I wasn't really referring to bright leaf. I was referring to the one on the other side of 109 that is more homogeneous, let's call it. We try to avoid it as well. Um um we don't we really do not allow someone to build the same elevation next to the other elevation and like the exact same elevation. Um if if a client insists on it, we will make them change materials. Definitely pick completely different colors, but I know Wildwood has it actually written in. I'm just talking in general when we're talking to our other communities. We try to avoid it as well because we don't want the the repetitive either. So how I know it's it's the old whole area is low down, but I can't really in the road see is it all pretty level or will it be pretty level or will it be a little hilly or pretty hilly? We'll still have some character when it's all said and done. Okay. just there's just so only so much they can do within the parameters just yeah and I just from the you know from the road I couldn't tell other than knowing I can see a wooded area there and yeah the the landscape plan that was attached actually does include uh um topography lines on there um there is quite a bit of topography throughout actually quite a number of these houses will be walkouts um to account for that. So, and if you Mr. Barnes Meer, if you'd

like to see kind of what it all looks like together on McKenzie Road, um is that uh incorporated? No, that is technically Darden Prairie. I was talking about Penzy Point. Oh. Oh, sorry. They have a development down there. I drove through it. You can see a lot of I think some of the model I recognize some of the models from Europe there. And then Dardine Prairie Darden Prairie our Invenesse community would be a great one because it was designed in the same uh development style with the the the all the curves and the trails throughout and the the setback houses. Um that one's an interesting community. We're actually almost complete with that. We're in phase three now of uh the final phase of that community and phase three for for us is probably 75% done. So that would be a good one if you want to see what the final product of this could look like. Be a good one to go through. Now I say it was farmland before so there's not a lot of existing trees. Um but uh you can definitely get the feel of the curving lots, the the the fluctuation and the house setbacks um and then the cutting through trails uh throughout the property. So it actually turned out to be a great community. That one does have it was a mixture. It had two other builders within it, but um we did majority of the building throughout. So thank you. So when you take out the amount of land needed for public amenity and roads, you're probably at what? Roughly a third of an acre for each of the houses. Oh, I'm not sure. I'm just thinking 115

lots on 50 50 acres would suggest a third to almost a half, but I'm pull out roads. A lot less than that. I mean, yeah, I'm just ballparking. It might be a third of an acre or so. Probably for the bigger lots. You're probably right. Um, yeah, get down to the Liberty series two car lots on lot A's. Um, they're probably smaller than that. Anything else? Anybody heard that we have any comments or suggestions? We've made observations, but they seem to be things that are already in the uh in the works. Uh best of my recollection of the comments that have been made, but I'll defer if anyone does have anything that we should be we'll we'll be before you guys again with more additional houses. So, do you think you're back? How long do we have to keep how do we you probably give us a whole new set of stuff anyway? But uh uh yeah, I mean like obviously these will need to be presented again for final um comments. Um we'll be back probably for another preliminary round on some additional houses probably shortly, maybe next month. I look up when our deadline is for a middle. So I have a comment. Okay. I don't think you brought us near enough material there. I I think we need more samples next. All right, I'll bring I'll bring more of the stone next. Well, house examples. Yeah, some model houses here. You want to see the models? Line them up here. It's been a few years since I made some models, but I might be a little rusty,

but I'll get back at it. So, on that Google, right? Well, now with 3D printing, you know, I don't know. I was just about to say nowadays ID 3D printer. Uh oh. Easy, easy peasy, right? All right. Um, do we have anything else for them for the agenda? If not, uh, our next meeting date, if needed, will be May 8th. We will absolutely be. I was going to say, I gather it did sound like we may need it. And any other closing remarks before adjournment? Not a motion will be in order to adjurnn. Motion to move. Seconded. All those in favor say I. The eyes have it. We are adjourned. Thank you so much everyone. We appreciate it. Thank you. Have a great weekend too. Every day is Saturday. That's true. That's what I hear.