Planning Board - Regular Meeting

And you're right. I guess the reason [Music] we'll give John enough time to come and sit down. Daniel. Hi. [Music] I guess turn [Music] it. John, were you this voting member? I think you were once. Yeah. I should let you know before I go under the table. Yes, sir. All right, let's bring the uh meeting to order. Book everybody. Kelly, you going to call the role? Yes. Tom here. Sandy here. John Ducey here. Al here. Christine here. Here. Here. Dean here. Okay. We have first up is Zero Ridge Road. Is Clayton here tonight or anybody for Zero Bridge Road? Yes, that's us. Come on up, please. Let's have a seat the table.

Kelly, let's let's just in time. You want to read her into the role? Yes, Danielle. Thank you. Welcome. You want to tell us about your project here? Yes. So, uh, Melissa Miller Fedrezy, Remax emotion agent for the Clayton's, excuse me, for the not for the M I I'm sorry, for the Mavery's Clayton and Connie. We are dividing 42 acres into two lots. Um, and we have spoken with Mason to make sure that we've got those provisions set forth. And it's a very simple subdivision. What? Sorry about members. Any questions? Does everybody see this is on the corner of Aline 34? Do I hear a motion to open the public hearing? Second. [Music] We need to call vote on that. Okay. Uh, anybody from the public want to comment on this subdivision? [Music] Any particular plans for the subdivision? No, just to sell it. Just to sell. You planning to sell both parcels? I I both both parcels for sale. Yes, they are.

I'll just leave the public hearing open for a moment. [Music] Motion to close. Anybody hearing motion? Second. Anybody? Second. All right. I guess we'll go through the seeker. Somebody willing to read that for us. Go ahead, Tom. Will the proposed action create a material conflict with an adopted land use plan or zoning regulations? No. No. Two. Will the proposed action result in a change in the use or intensity of use of land? No. Three. Will the proposed action impair the character or quality of the existing community? No. Four. Will the proposed action have an impact on the environmental characteristics that caused the establishment of a critical environmental area? No. Five. Will the proposed action result in an adverse change in the existing level of traffic or affect existing infrastructure for mass transit, biking or walkway? No. No. Six. Will the proposed action cause an increase in the use of energy and it fails to incorporate reasonably available energy conservation or renewable energy opportunities? No. No. Seven. Will the proposed action impact existing A public private water supplies? No. No. B. Public private wastewater treatment utilities. No. Eight. Will the proposed action impair the character or quality of important historic, archaeological, architectural, or aesthetic resources? No. Nine. Will the proposed action result in an adverse

change to natural resources? For example, wetlands, water bodies, groundwater, air quality, flora, and fauna? No. 10. Will the proposed action result in an increase in the potential for erosion, flooding, or drainage problems? No. 11. Will the proposed action create a hazard to environmental resources for human health? No. We need to vote on the net for this. I just did it all in one. So you can just Oh, it's it's here in the motion. Yeah, it's all the resolution. Yep. Resolution. Anybody want to make a motion to uh this resolution? So moved. Second. Any questions on the the resolution? [Music] [Applause] Tom, yes. Sandy, yes. Al, yes. Christine, yes. Danielle, yes. Dean, yes. John Cedra, yes. [Music] Do you folks have a copy of the resolution? No. I'll once it's finalized and signed, we'll give it to them. We usually get it to them. So, okay. Forward. And uh also need three final copies of the flat. You have to get stamped by the surveyor, right? You guys have a free seal. Three. Three. Three. We bring them here, you guys stamp them, then we take them to the Yes. You bring them here. Uh sign them and then we keep a copy and you

bring one copy to the county clerk and another copy to the county assessor and they do the aortionment, I believe. So, yes, you can call. I don't know exactly the process, but three copies. Three. Yes. And that's about a week's worth of time or if we can get them to you for for the signing. Uh yeah, Dean's usually pretty quick about it. I say a week. Yeah. Okay. Beautiful. Thank you very much. Okay. Thank you. Thank you very much. All right. We're on the five screen. Hi. Hi there. Um I'm Katie Burke with Howard Hannah Real uh real estate. Um it looks like just looking at the map up here um sorry I am representing my buyers who are purchasing this property. Okay. Um this is not the correct map um that was submitted. Um the one the new one actually shows the 60 foot um at the top. So I don't know if that is that the only change is new. Yeah. So it's going to be subdivided parcel A, parcel B, and then it'll be um 60 ft um for the new town uh regulations. So it moves that north line that says 350. Yes. And I do have I brought a copy here and I dropped off 11 copies. So I guess the old one must have got submitted. Um they're planning to build um a home on parallel B. Mhm. um so far. So we just have to get subdivided because right now the two properties are connected. Okay. Mason, do we have a setback from steep slope? Say that again. Do we have a setback requirement from steep slope for development from steep slope? No, we we did that on another lake property close

not close by. It was outside of Meyers. So we had a like I think it was like a 50ft setback from the edge of the cliff to the concern was erosion and I think you etc etc. And I think that would kind of just be at your guys's discretion. So it's up to the cuz we don't have like a there's no code that necessarily specifies nor do I think were you thinking on on the setback there from the edge of the cliff? Um, I do have pictures of the bill that they're planning to do. How close to the cliff were they going to be? Let's see. I mean, there's It doesn't say a number, but it shows. I can show you what I have here, I think. Um, and also Alex Cole Paving did the perk test in that area for the septic. So, this is what it's going to look like. So, it'll be up far. So, it won't be on the left being built. It looks pretty darn close. It's pretty close. I think they're going to build right down here at the bottom. I think we need comments from the rest of the board members. What do you think on on that setback? The distance looks to me like they're they're going pretty darn close to the edge of the edge of the cliff. Previously, we've requested that 50 foot setback. There be a public hearing so next month. So, yeah. Is it 20 ft from us? Is that enough or we were talking about 50? I I think the last one I don't remember. I think it was 50 feet. I thought we did with no building and then and there was a concern where the owner wanted to put like a shed or a porch if that was allowed within the 50 ft. And I don't remember how we resolved that, but there was a there was a concern of that, you know, the house and the main dwelling not being right on or very close to the cliff. And I think it was it was view and erosion and safety and

everything else that rolled into one there that we wanted to set. The board wanted to set that. And I'm assuming they're going to be looking at the fire department turn around because of the length of the driveway here. Yeah. Can Can we get that on the map, Mason? The turn the turnaround. I think we've had that before on the other subdivisions. Yeah, because I think you want to update the the plat here to show the Yeah, I think I think we should update the plat to show the um the potential turnaround. Turn around and then and then a no build area. What do you think, Dean? Yes, sing Yeah. build and no build area. And you want it to be 50 ft from the top of the I don't know. I just like that's I'm throwing that out. It's up to the board, everyone to discuss it. Should it be 75? Should it be 40? I I don't know. Can Can we get um some confirmation of what previous requests have been in the no build area like some point of reference? Sure. Sure. Doing a little research. Do you have any idea what uh Yeah, I could probably point it out which which one of my one of the ones you know the roads that wanders down in there. I think we had a setback on that one. I I can pick it off the tags map for you in case any stop. Yeah, stop in tomorrow or at some point. All right. So, is this map labeled 30 fpt instead of 60 ft? Is that this is the original one that I had dropped off and then I had TG Miller remake a new map that shows the 60 foot. So my I guess my question is is it currently representing 30 or 60 ft on the old map? I'm just curious about the setback from the house. It says 61.6 plus or minus. So it' be 31 31. Okay.

Yeah. Which is fine. You're still Yeah, that's good. And yeah, that's instead of having her reprint 11 of the copies that said 60, we just used this and I think you dropped off a few and save. So it'll be updated to or the final plaque will reflect the 60 foot requirement for the flat instead of 30 and then whatever other things you guys want to see, turnarounds and should they be coming? My clients come with the build of what they're planning to build when they come for the meeting or I'm not clear. Are we talking about a building plan or just subdividing the land? We're talking about a subdivision, but we're potentially looking at a no build area because of the steep sloping. Okay. The bottom you want to define that. Okay. We we just need we just need to decide on what the setback should be again for erosion and view and safety and all that sort of thing. So I think we had it in the past and we'll see if we can find out what we used in the past and probably see if the board wants to sorry board wants to approve that distance. Okay. So you might alert your clients that there may be a you know 40 50 foot setback from the edge of the cliff. So next month's public hearing on this 28. Yeah. Any other questions board? This are they um anticipating um each access. Uh not that I'm aware of right now. Okay. I think just the view is what's

important to them. I don't think they get I think it's pretty split from there's a railroad track separate parcel. So I I don't think unless they separate parcel down there. Yeah. Yeah. There's another parcel that has a document. No, no. I was asking if this is a separate parcel. I don't Mason, did you say that? Um, that's a separate parcel. Yes, correct. Yeah, that's so this the they're up here. This is five fiddlers here and then the property line ends and then Okay. There's the slope or portion of the slope and then the railroad tracks. All right. So, they don't So, they don't I wouldn't property not contiguous down. Oh, okay. All righty. I think we're all set for um public hearing next month. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. All right. 3125 Chapler Road. Come on up. [Music] You want to introduce yourself? Yes. My my name is Jason Sloty and I'm representing my sons who have purchased the former Lancing Market property from Andy Sharab and his group. Great. And um we have uh talked with Mason and with the planning department um and we are proposing a building supply company, ABC Supply, which is a national company with 800 locations. They will be offering uh roofing, siding, gutters. They do not do a big lumber business. Occasionally

they'll they'll have lumber for clients who have asked them to order something, but they don't have a it's not a lumber yard. It's a building materials. So roofing and siding basically is what they sell. They will operate uh depending on the time of the year. In the summer they'll operate 5 and 1/2 days. In the winter they'll operate 5 days. Their locations are typically open from 7:00 a.m. 7:30 a.m. to 4:00 or 4:30 p.m. depending on the time of the year and how busy the location is. We lease to them in two other locations. They're a tremendous company as far as their taking care of their property that they lease, their community involvement. It's a it's a$22 billion company. It's the largest womanowned business in America, and they're very conscientious about how they operate their stores. Uh, a typical supermarket that size would have 4 to 500 customers a day. Uh, this location would probably have 30 to 40 customers a day. So, it's not a high intense traffic situation. Uh, the building's properly zoned in a B2 district, I believe. And uh we're just seeking approval for what I believe is a change of use as Mason's explained it to me. Very little being I'm sorry. Are there going to be any modifications to the building? Uh the interior basically removing where the deli, bakery, meat department were and making that a warehouse. Uh one uh demising wall to separate the warehouse from the showroom. uh they have a small office and showroom area and the only other uh change to the building will be on the triphammer roadside there will be an o

overhead door cut in uh to access uh customers through the front of the building and the footprint is basically footprint stays the same. They have no plans to do anything other. It takes two to three years to get the branches operating successfully as they build their business. Um, and it will basically be the same as it is. Nothing really any different. We're not painting it. They're using the same sign boxes that the Lancing market had uh for their signs. The the sign at the road will be left the way it is, but just the face changed. Um so really no changes to the parking to anything. Um you are adding some does it seems like additional shrubberies or trees. So part of part of a B2 and please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that part of a B2 use for what's considered lumber yards and materials is that there's some protection on on main roads, which North Triphammer would be considered a main road. So, yes, the drawings that we submitted show uh some trees planted along the front what would be the the tripammer road side of the building. Um, which actually is going to be their customer service area where they will unload materials to customers as they pull in. Um, it's something that I believe is required or maybe at the board's discretion. Um, it's a good idea. We like it. Yeah. I don't know that we're exactly this. This shows,

you know, six 15 16 trees. I was there today and if you if we put in uh six to eight pines, it would as they mature, it would certainly give it plenty of of coverage. But we will do what you ask us to do. If you believe we need more than that, we will do that. How about uh outside storage? You're going to have to store materials outside. So, that property has a a canopy around the whole side of it. They will place materials under the canopy for now. At some point, they will probably look at as they expand and grow, they would look at outside storage, which I believe is why we're here. Is that correct? Because No. No. So, if you wanted to do Yeah. This is just for the change of use. If you wanted anything else, if you wanted to do outside storage, I would recommend you lay it out on the plan and say future and that way you don't have to come back here, I think. Right, Mason? Correct. Yeah, that's correct. Okay. So, if you were planning on a machine shed or three-sided shed to store some materials in the back, no, no future. I think it would be down the road at least three to four years. All right. then I think you you would have to come back to the board here to get approval. If it's over 3 years, if it's under 3 years, you should do it now. You should just update this plan because you're good for 3 years. So, if you do it and they haven't indicated to us that they want any outside right now. So, certainly we would come back and and present whatever they cuz I don't know where they would put it or what they would require. Sometimes they have Okay. I mean, you might mention it to them that if that they have an idea, it might be ideal to put it right on the map now and then you're good for 3 years. Three years. And again, if they decide to go in four years, you'll just have to come back and do this process again. It's not the end of the world. So, don't think either way, you know, whatever they decide to do. If they think they're

going to do it within 3 years, go ahead and do it now and just save everybody that they vindicated to us that they wouldn't. They wouldn't. Yeah. So, then I say just go with this and come back in four years or whenever they decide to do it. other than under the the footprint of the canopy. Yes. Which I believe is fine. It's IR not B1 I believe. So the only in in addition to having to come for the site plan for the changing of the use, you just had to plant the trees in the front. the lighting is already meeting the dark sky compliance and um the no outdoor storage caveat only applies to the B1 district. So I think you're all right as far as I interpret that. I think you're good to store things underneath the overhang and if you wanted to do you know an additional building you know in four years or whenever you'd have to come back and modify the site plan and show the new building. Understood. Yeah. Word. Any questions? I I had a couple questions on this part part one. Action connect to existing wide utility. There's no there's no answer. Private pre-existing septic systems. I guess we should say you should make that yes. Okay. What was the other one? And then uh 13. Does any portion of the site or the proposed action or lands adjoining the proposed action contain wetlands or other water bodies regulated by the federal, state or local agencies? Check. Yes. I don't think uh state there's a stream that runs along the north line, I think. Is there a stream

on the north line? No, there's water. Uh I see there's a swale to the east. There's ponds, retention ponds in the front of the building. Yeah, I got no wetlands on our map here. I think that's just a ditch. There's no wetlands that I that we're aware of. There wasn't anything in the And sometimes that'll that'll check that. Yes, as it does based off the distance proximity and there are. So here's it just says it's here's where we're at. Incomplete and here's the wetlands right here. Yeah. So that might be what's causing it to but no this is just a little the dashed lines are insignificant. They just kind of show where the drainage goes. Well that that's not clear on question 13. Yeah. No I I can I I'll we can update the the EF to reflect that. Those are the only questions. So, the existing trees on the north side are blue spruce. Guess that's what it shows up. I don't think they're blue spruce. They're they're a pine, but they're I don't believe they're blue spruce. I could be wrong. Looks like the new tree plantings will be about 10 foot on center. board. Everybody good with blue spruce? Yeah, I don't think so. Yes, I guess we're see [Music] public comments required. Okay. Ornamental

opposed to We have buffer. I'm not not a fan. Neither am I. Because they tend to die off. Yeah. Is there something else you guys would suggest? Something that lives and doesn't die off at the bottom of my [Music] think. Do you think the white spruce does any better? a bank. I mean, it's what's that? The white line is indigenous. Well, thinking white spruce. I'm not sure what what they have in the terms of um power lines there, but we're back far enough from the power lines. That's the other. Yeah, there's nothing there that would interfere. Maybe we should look into what what would be if there's something better than the whispers. Can't say what it is. No, probably not. See? No. Is it just so slow? That as well. I I'm okay with just any type of spruce, whatever it's in there. It's six at least it's six foot high. And you're right. I think blue is a slower growing tree than than a white or Australian or whatever. I wouldn't put Austrian. We chose blue spruce because of our experience with them filling out. And the idea was that we wanted this to be screen. Yeah. And they So you have two years once they get two years under their belt, they grow 2 feet a year. And we use them in in residential and personal residential walk with the blues. They're a beautiful tree that we can do. You tell us what

you'd like. We we're not I think but they're they're beautiful trees when they're once they get that past that second or third year you get two years 2 feet a year growth. So then you're putting 6t high when you're going to stall. So in 5 years it'll be 12 12 ft tall. I'm okay with that. Yeah. I don't see it as like as much of a buffer tree here. It's just something more. We're certainly open to any if if there's another species that you'd like to see, we certainly will consider that too. So, all right. Any board? Any other questions? I don't think we need a public hearing. Anybody want to move this resolution? [Music] Second anybody second. Tom, yes. Sandy, yes. Al, yes. Christine, yes. Danielle, yes. John, yes. Dean, yes. Thank you very much. Appreciate your time. When do you expect them to move in? Um they were they allowed us to get the demo started to come out. So after as long as we're good to go, we'll start the devising wall tomorrow. We would expect it to open turning the space over to August 1st. As long as it's good. Yeah. So there were minimal changes to be made and uh everybody's not where to turn. Good. Good. And they'll probably open 30 or 45 days later. Oh yeah. So, another 30 days before this. Thank you very much. All right. Zero Auburn Road.

[Music] [Music] You want to kind of give us a little information on what your plan is here, gentlemen? You can start. Yeah. Uh, so I'll just introduce myself. My name is Eric Eisenhut. I'm one of the partners in C Associates. Uh, typically you'd see Andy Sharaba, Andy Senior Sharaba here. uh as the person uh kind of leading our efforts. So within the partnership, he's kind of the most active and most visible of our group. Um he's been in the hospital the last week. Um so uh we're hoping he's home tomorrow or back in Tomkins County tomorrow. Um but uh he wanted to make sure that uh one of us from the partnership was here as well. We worked with Andy and George on on a couple of different properties in the area. So uh I'm here to listen and answer questions. But I'll let these guys do most of the talking. Thank you. Andy Sharava from Shava Engineering, uh, agent for C Associates. I I am not part of the partnership. I'm just a family member. They hired me to do engineering work. Um, so uh, I'm concentrating on the site work portion of it. I'll describe the project from the site work and utility standpoint. Then I'll have George kind of go through, uh, briefly the proposed building. Uh, so C Associates owns the 5.6 62 acre parcel. It's currently zoned industrial research. Um, industrial research allows professional offices and uh professional office buildings with site plan approval and that's why we're we're here today. So, the first phase of this project is to uh construct approximately 5,500 square foot singlestory office building uh 20 parking spaces uh and a new

driveway in the north portion of the property. [Music] The north is in this direction 34. So the northeast corner of the property near the driveway 20 parking spaces and the singlestory office building. There's water under at the street. So we'll extend those to the building. There's no mal sewer. So we've designed an onside section system for parcel. Grading is pretty uh gentle. No steep grades off of the highway at the drains from northeast to the southwest corner. We're keeping the permit is there below an acre will require still basic sweep with the road patrol. So no permanent practices for this, you know, phase of the project. We did include in your packet a conceptual site plan that kind of show a full moap scenario. This is not highly developed. This is just if they were fully developed in current zoning, you know, what could you possibly fit on there? Shows that we could possibly fit three additional buildings and parking. Obviously, we need to leave room for separate systems for all the buildings. You're starting with building one though, is that? Yes. Yes. This right now is only for building one first show. If we were to go beyond this first phase that trigger practices plan. So we're showing southwest corner of the property out. This is not detail. It just gives you a context if they go beyond the we have major to consider in that type of development. We will have lighting on the project.

the building lighting which George will describe. But as far as sight lighting, we have two uh light holes for the parking lot, one for the entry. We will be LED dark sky compliant. We will be providing part of the next mission showage site. We have submitted to the DOT is a commercial driveway. So they require a commercial driving permit. It's a three-stage process. Uh first stage is conceptual. It's going to give our plan that we show today and say you have any issues with that. We submitted that application. So far we haven't had any comments on the location. We did site distance calculations but we continue the process to get the permit through the you know for that commercial. Be nice if they lowered the speed limit around that corner. What's that? Be nice if they would lower the speed limit around that corner. I know it breaks from 45 to 55 right at that corner there. So when we do sight to Wisconsin, we do it for the higher speed limit. So [Music] some shown here is a large ranch building. I mean, when Annie and I first talked about this, he said, "I want to do an office building, but I have no tenants. This is totally spec." So, the thought was, "Well, to build a big building and try and fill it, you got to upfront all this money." So, we came up with the idea that we'd have a smaller series of buildings, but that's kind of Lancing's the core of Lancing isn't big buildings. So to have smaller buildings fits more with the character, what the town is and we can then incrementally add them. Somebody sees it goes, geez, I'd like

space there, too. So that's why we did this the scheme that showed the four buildings potentially. We also show an intersection right where Trip Hammer comes into Auburn Road that perhaps we would have a drive there. And there's that's conceptual that takes a that's going to take a lot of screwing around with the state. towns may have to decide whether they want an intersection there. You know, there's the possibility of putting a light there perhaps, you know, talking about speed. So, all of this is in the future. Right now, we may only build one building because we've got 5,800 square ft with no name on it. So, if you look at this, we've set this up so potentially we could have four tenants. Um, there are four doors facing the parking area. potentially that could be four tenants because one of the things we find is nobody necessarily wants 5,000 ft but people will say I'll take 1500 feet or something. So we set this up in the back corner we've got a a room that would be power where all the utilities would come in. So it be a little utility spot. This would also then act as a spot for water going out in the future to other buildings. So we we come in right now we're looking at a 4 inch line coming in to feed this. Depending on what we do we may go down to a two and add something button point will only give us one water tap per so up in the air but basically it's unfinished inside. We did this when we did trip hammer um was basically a shell and then as we went in we filled it. It'll be well insulated. Um, obviously down the road as tenants go in, it'll be all air source heat pumps with ERV units for fresh air. So scale-wise, [Music] it's basically a big ranch split up. It rather than just being a box, we've got it going in and out different rooms just

to break up the scale so it's not one large massive building. Um, the floor to ceiling, the floor on the other side of truss is 10T. So basically from here to here is 10T. It's well under 35 ft. 10T will will definitely allow us in some cases 9 foot ceilings definitely a little over eight to get D and run our heat pumps in. So you know right now we're looking at siding. Um I've got it showing as a as smart site which we can paint. No one Andy want to go vinyl. Vinyl is final, but a couple of colors. It isn't just one color. And there's some trim details. So, we break the scale up. You know, conceptually, if you go down the trip area in the village, the office campus there is similar, but it's all brick. This would be siding, which tends to be what Lancing has, and maybe some shingles from across the street. You're going halfway up with the Wayne's cutting. Is that stone or imitation? We got stone. We got stone at the entrances. So, okay. Similar with a 3105. Yeah. So, the stone runs here and runs this. So, at the entrance where you got a shovel and all that stuff would be this probably the same. Whether it's the color we've got a cubed bank or whether it's the color we've got a trip, but it' be one of those. We're looking at neutral grays or browns. This is drawn. My idea is neutral grays kind of keep white trim a couple of grays. You got you'd have shingles up in the gable ends and then asphalt shingles on the roof. The uh Andy was saying we do have some wall packs, LED wall packs um that are shining out. I've already gotten the photometric back from the company. We we just didn't have it in time for the initial submitt. But basically

the lights on around the building. One of the decisions to be made is on the north side and the Andy wanted the west side to have light because the trails back there. The trail the town's trail is actually on our property. And so one of the questions will be do we break that off and I don't know that's a question down the road. Does does the trail get broken out? Do we reduce the property and you can do whatever or do we keep it? There's no agreement. Anniey's basically told the town the trails on my property. go ahead and use it. So, even sounds a good idea. Have you been in conversation with a neighbor uh next door residential? Have you guys been I have an Andy's talent. How are they on this? I mean, I'm thinking about a I mean, I know there's some trees there, but are you guys talking about putting some screen on your own property here to break that up? any screening currently. There is a good amount of trees and vegetation between [Music] Is that on your property or is it all the neighbors on our property that stay most we we're trying to be um between it's a mixed use. You got residential versus commercial. So, we want to we want adequate buffer between the two. Yeah. So, it's right out the house here. That's the pool and our building is going to be in this area. So, there's a good amount of trees uh currently on their property. There's maybe one or two that splits the property line, but ours is mostly And you're going to keep those on your property. The the ones that are on your property on that north line. Uh this one, the one that's on ours will stay. Yeah.

This we're kind of going into this area here now. These are all structures. Well, I'm cons I'm concerned about the trail. There's a lot of trails back here. Oh, the trails on the west side. Trails on the west side. South we're 400 ft away from the trail that each direction. I mean, if you can get a couple evergreens in there, I'd like to see it. If there's room to put a couple, you know, two or three a row in there between the neighbors and yours on your property, if you can fit it in there, it' be nice. It's busier. room. You know, the one building probably isn't overly significant, but when you start adding three or four, a neighbor, um, you know, depending on what they're doing with that residential site, um, seems like it would get a little busy for them. Yeah. One of the things I mean because it's a business you know the discussion is you don't want to totally screen it so you can't see it from the road so you can see where it is but we're going to have these spaces either side here that would be landscape I mean that those can be garden areas now that's not big stuff it's not screening anything it gives you the ability to be you know something nice will have to be back somewhat yeah it would have to be back to the to Where's the driveway? Yeah, they're talking back in here. Yeah, that's what we're just saying. Put a few trees in there to break it off from the neighbor. The parking more than the building or where would you want it concentrated? More concerned about the building has residential. Right. Right. Well, I would think somewhere from the end of your your driveway where it meets starts to meet the parking area. Yeah. And one of the things they back Mason, I'm going to I'll tell you when you if

you Google Town of Lancing, New York zoning code, you don't get the current zoning code. You get the 2018 code. And then when you go to town of Lancing department and go into planning and uh code approval and go to the zoning there, now you get the current zone. So, the current zoning, the old zoning used to have a requirement of one parking space for every 250 square ft. The new zoning doesn't have a parking. No. So, that's Joe right here. I'm just I'm just saying getting into the nitty-gritty. We would rather do what's prudent than But we have proposed more like 20 spaces. You know, obviously it sounds like there's some because the usual thing is in the past we put in all this parking. Everybody goes, "Geez, I wish we didn't need so much asphalt and like the village has an exemption. You have to provide like 75 or 80% and show a land bank area where we can get the additional parking if you need it." Yeah, we we cut it. The dollar store, we cut it down. They had a lot more parking proposed and I think this board said, "No, you don't need that much." Well, we we've shifted. We did the land bank and parking. We did. Yes. We did the land bank for the long set aside the section and said this is future parking. Yeah. I'm just plenty of room. We got plenty more. But I mean we can see it as we and if this goes forward we can always adjust as we Yeah. I I just think if you can fit a few evergreens in there to break that, you know, the neighbor you got a neighbor residential versus commercial. It's just good practice, I think. How about a dumpster? What are you guys doing with that? It's shown on the dumpster right now is at the end of the parking lot. Oh, I didn't. So, if you

look at if we went to to phase two, the dumpster would rearrange building one. So, the dumpster at the end as you extend the parking lot through, then the dumpster goes in between the buildings. Okay, I got you. We are showing some screening of the good. Okay. So, everybody comfortable with the parking out front? That was certainly one of my questions is so on Triphammer Road, we've got this kind of parking configuration. We certainly have it, you know, by Morabido and where ABC is going to go in. Um, but you know, we just they just put in Salt Point and that's reverse frontage. So, we've got parking in the back. Um, scoops next door kind of has parking out front. This is close to that, but as you're coming into town, do we want to see reverse frontage there with parking in the back? I mean, it if you had a sidewalk, you know, if there was future plans for a walk across that property to connect other properties, I could see the the emphasis of having the parking in the back, but I don't think that'll ever come about ever. The other thing that if you park, if the occupants park in the back, but the tenants, the visitors are going to want to come to the front to the front door. So, now you start to get parking on both sides of the building. It just seemed to concentrate all parking. We've made it extra wide. So, the drive between the the opposing spaces is like 26 ft. I mean, the other thing is I've made the spaces 10t because you guys drive pickup trucks. Not all not everybody has a Prius or

smaller. So, we've made the spaces bigger. And we've also left more room to drive between so you can back the bigger vehicles up easier. But you've also it's a driveway. So, are you wanting to maybe see some vegetation across the front? Not enough that would block Yeah. Not enough that would block the sight of the building or the presence of the building, but enough that would block the the parking, you know, just as open parking lot. So something like spyhea between the parking and the street something that's not going to get super huge and what was that's just going to be all lawn area mode between the street we did create a bit of a burm in front there is there a ditch there the road so as the driveway actually does come down so it'll screen a portion from the park but it won't screen so is there a ditch between your property and the road is there the cover the ditch and there'll be the burn and then it goes down to the Um, so actually the drive the drive is 2 to 3 feet above floor level. I mean the road Auburn road is about 3 ft I have to check what we're putting 3 ft higher. Yeah. So you're looking down the driveway and then the site keeps falling as you go. So as you go south it keeps dropping down and and Auburn road does too. I mean, I I like your idea. If you just put a few shrubs that grow up only a two feet high, just to break that up. What do you guys think? Looks less like a blank parking lot as you're I mean that that's what you see when you come in on Yeah. Isore Drive and you drive past the uh the Dollar General. Yeah.

I mean something like a princess spyhea that's stay small but just a few to break it up the question one of the things we haven't totally done the numbers yet but this the old cut and fill how much are we take we're falling we got to fill the southwest corner for the building but you still got spoils and so typically like to put them right on the site and you know create a little mound there yeah you got if you got a little burn there and a little bit of vegetation I That would look nice. That'll look really nice. And it won't necessarily screen black asphalt. Yeah. You planning any kind of signage or signage on the building or We haven't gotten into that. I my suggestion to Andy since you have potentially for tenants would be to be ground signs in that p in the air planting area in between, you know, rather than being up on the building have ground signs that little placard kind of thing that it be readable from the road or just readable from what you pull in the parking. What I'm thinking is readable from the parking lot. Okay. Um the one thing I know we get into is do we put a number? Is there a number? And when I did John's building, we had to identify each suite so you was an A or B. You know, there were certain things so you kind of knew where it was. We haven't really decided that. But I mean you're going to have building one is it building A building one? you know, down the road, but right now it's like there's nobody there. So, yeah, but I still think you need whether it's build building A 1 2 3 and four, building B 1 2 3 4. But there's what we're thinking is I'm thinking at least that there'd be a ground lit sign with slats that have the names of who's there and they're they're in that planning area. And then down the road do you get end up with a directory especially if you went to the one where you have a drive coming in on trip hammer. You know you probably have a

directory saying building this building that I'm not I don't think we've got sign boxes in the building. We didn't show any and I that wasn't really the thought sign and this strictly is going to be uh office use. You know, Andy who's who? So if I if I said I mean our goal is professional services that so if I want to rent some of it and put a restaurant in that it's not set for that would be a major you couldn't afford it. Yeah because you'd be stuck with okay where's the grease trap? Where's all this stuff? Separate sewer lines that are taking food waste versus Okay. So it's just it's not set up that way. So for the public and the board here, I think that's one of the concerns is how it's going to be used. And you're saying it's going to be this building's professional office. I mean, if it's like what we did at 3105, we build a shell. Once if it's a doctor, it's going to need a certain amount of plumbing if it's, you know, just a but that's a question. The public is going to know what's going in what's what type of use is going to be there. And if it's professional office, I don't see so wide range of services or or offerings. It's so professional office very nice. Yeah. So you'd have to probably at least have a some kind of pole out by the driveway with the address on it. We're going to need an address box. So, like if you look at 3105, as you pull in the drive, there's a slab there that has a mailbox for that'll do like five or six tenants. We'd have the same thing. There'd be a mailbox there for all the tenants cuz the post office won't deliver to their suites. Yeah, it would just seem like you need to have something near the the driveway entrance with the street numbers. Does anyone come up with a name for the It

doesn't have to have a name, but I'm just saying it should at least have the numbers for the the address, which is what 164. So So what you you're going to build building one, and then you decide a year later you're successful and you want to go building two, then they get you got to come back. You got to come back. Come back here. But we're not asking for the overall plan. We're only asking for this one person. And and is the storm water going to be put in as part of this? It would have to be because now we're not part of this first phase. No. Once once we go beyond this phase, then we have to do it. All right. So, but it'll count for first. So, the first phase you're not going to put in the storm water retention. But after that, the next building that would have to go in theory if they build this first phase and everybody else, no permit purchases required. So I can never storm water. Who knows what regulations may change down the road. You know if we go past this at all that we trigger the storm water and then that will you know account for you know this development as well. So whether you do whether you build a second building a year later or 15 years later doesn't really matter. You still have to do the storm water. There's no time limit on unless unless the says no. We don't need storm water anymore. Yeah. Unless they reverse the current regulations change. But yeah, the current setting and the current uh throwing and state regulations, municipal regulations. Yes. And these are raised bed sepics. Raised bed septic. Yeah. Keeps the footprint down. Unfortunately, I'm very familiar with soils around this area. Have good soil. Just a quick comment too. Um like you

said the current town trail goes through your property on the overall concept. Is it possible to get like a permanent easement? I think we've been doing 20 foot permanent easements for that town trail that could be added. We've met with the the trail committee. We discussed and we gave them we had some questions for them. We haven't heard back yet. So, I don't think we'd be interested in in doing anything permanent until we understood more of what was going to happen. Okay. Is there any um thought about connecting the uh or finding a way to connect the trail to maybe accessing the buildings? No. At this point, we're so far away. We're 4 500t away from the trail. So, there's Yeah. Once you if you build out the site then there's going to be natural connectivity but bringing the full trail through that highly developed whole plan probably it's not a great trail be walk between the buildings itself. Are you are you thinking in terms of like a side sidewalk that would come over? It could be a sidewalk that could come over to the trail. Just my thinking is um part of the many trails is to create alternate forms of transportation to get people from places, you know, from one place to another. So, if somebody wanted to walk from the senior home to maybe a medical office at this facility, there'd be a trail that would allow them that that ability. That's why I was asking. It's not a good idea. Well, I think um related as well too is really it could be a good feature for some of the tenants to be able to have access to a municipal facility that's right there. I mean, the workforce that's in the the buildings, they find that an attractive amenity. I'm just saying future you got you got future possibility of people wanting to maybe access it. I mean, right now this grass area or natural area. So,

They obviously don't walk. It's not like they're being denied access. No, I'm just saying that, you know, there's many forms of transportation and that's a very busy area. So for somebody to walk, say along the road to get there would be hazardous. So kind of a a basic thing would be from the end of the building one parking lot to just have a mode strip up to the trail because if you get into future buildings that would really be the time to think about how to try to integrate something whether it was you know from building three parking lot edge just over you know with a a mulch trail or something or But something to think about. Yeah. Maybe I missed this one. How much are you going to clear as part of phase one? Are you going to clear the majority of the property? Just less than an acre in that northeast corner. So just kind of around where building one is is all you seeptic field. Yeah. Because there's no guarantee that anything else is ever going to get. So you're just going to clear where the septic and where that building and the rest of it you're just going to leave alone for now. Yeah. on the grading plan we show a limited disturbance line. So I take that out construction make sure that they don't cross that boundary. Okay. I think my last comment uh I think the overall concepts awesome but I think it's great. Um we have 20 some odd spaces here 88 spot. Uh I did ask this whole point the same thing. Could we get a bike rack? You know it's like you've seen multiple modes of transportation. You put your bike against the building lay down your walk. It's always annoying. Is it possible to get a bike rack someplace? just something we could look at. Yeah, I think that's a good idea. I agree with you. I think that's it's not a big cost item. It's a good idea.

So, I've been looking at the elevations and then the um the site plan as well too. And the area that I'm I'm still just not really convinced about is that west elevation and that it's just this straight. It's straight. Yeah, it was pretty unattractive. It's the back of the building now, but it also again like it would be visible from the trail even though that's far away. And there's thinking about planning for the future of that site. It wouldn't necessarily be visible to the other structures, but well, building four depending on where you put it, potential right now taking out they're they know what they can afford in order to do a rent structure that people might rent. So even a couple of rooms, we took lights. We made certain that all the offices on the perimeter could get each office could have a window. Yeah. And so then the question became, we still don't know who's coming in here. We can obviously frame in. I'm not going to put a window in the back if it's going to be service area for the tenant, but it could, you know, we could have windows. We had window bought more windows and it got expensive. You know, I'm not even talking about windows, just maybe some variation in the siding or or patterning or like some vertical elements to just break up that long line. Particularly if you're talking about if it ends up being vinyl, then I mean vinyl gets kind of saggy and Yeah. For vinyl, we'll probably run some vertical just because you're not going to run 60 ft of vinyl. Yeah. Well, people try. It's not very pleasant. And on a night like tonight, it's all Oh, yeah. Like a spaghetti. Yeah. I mean because I I think the front elevations are really attractive and you know there's color put into the sighting of the of the buildings and you know the sides. Um, you know, I love Marian Baltimore uh landscaping, but that backside it's like, wow, that's just a open big space

that's really that was that was a value engineering. I Yeah, but it's again couple of vertical elements, not even necessarily functional. Just help that. So, that couple of spotlights and just this expanse. Put a mural back here. How about security camera? You dealing with security system at this point? Hasn't been discussed. I mean that part of why we've got lights on the back was Andy wanted to make certain that people came off the trail towards the building. whether those are going to only be triggered by motion sensor rather than next question is that they're going to be on all the time in the back or just I my guess is I haven't talked to Andy the light but mo I was thinking of motion sensor cuz he was just worried about people coming off the trail at night so they'd flip on and that would tend to keep people back but lights on lights on the front lights on the sides would probably be on time box photos the lights. We're going with a slightly lower light. The lights only like 22 ft off the ground or something like that. It's not as tall as like a trip hammer or the Cuca Bank or even even the U market across the street. They're a little shorter. And so the the parking lot is not going to have there's no pole lights, no light there's three pole to poles along the east side and then there's one on the drive and then once you each building will have three in front of it for the next phases holes. Uh they'll have holes but yeah they will. I mean if this went down the road some additional holes there. Okay. All right. Oh, I understand. Okay. Yeah. Right now we're showing 20. Okay.

And looking at the light, the photometrics, it's not super bright. I mean, yeah, like.3 candles. Nothing's going off site. And you're looking at 2700 Kelvin. Uh, I don't know. We're going a little brighter than that. Typically, we use 35. like Cuba Bank is 3500 and I think I'd like to see I'd like to see closer to 2700. I think 3,000 will be better than 35 3500. Part of part of going to the higher one is your red car will say red, not orange or brown. I mean, as you get you get lower, the yellow starts to really change the colors. Mhm. It's better for the environment. better for the animals. So, getting back to the the front part of the road, there is going to be some green space there. Right now we're showing a long run by foot drops off driveway. I think there were suggestions that some landings. So from the um the road where the driveway comes in makes that last little hook and then you have that straight line there on the right hand side um kind of kind of hit the lower end of that. Yeah. Mason, can you put the greeting on? Sure. We go. [Music]

Right by your cursor. Right there. Yeah. So 952 950 right there. Right here. Uh yeah, just Yeah. Right. Right there at the um the straight piece of the parking lot up and down towards towards the street. Yeah. But where where it curves around meets the meets that straight line from from that point to the back of the building I think is where we're looking for. Oh, back in here for this area here some screening for the neighbor. Correct. Y that's what I put on my notes. Yeah. I think this is this is the BM here 952. Um the parking lot is now 947. So do some low plantings in there. It will help to screen the parking lot with it. Andy, show them where the existing garage and driveway is. This is the existing concrete pad, existing gravel driveway. So, we're just moving the driveway to the north from distance. You think the state will let you put two uh driveways in down the road? I thought they kind of frowned up. Less is better. Yeah. As Andy said, we do it all the time for gas stations. Yeah. I just not typical, but yeah. So that's that's something down the road. If if they go beyond this and we put second in this discussion. So if the state you want to build more buildings and the state says no more driveways, will this this new this first one will be adequate to move your traffic in and out or if we build the other ones, you might go to one driveway that feeds the entire campus and maybe this directly. Oh, is that what you do? We have options more drive. We got a lot of room that addition certainly [Music]

we got a lot covered for initial topic schedule public hearing or [Music] Okay. So, I'm assuming that you guys are going to provide a site plan that's going to show just the proposed building. Yeah, we did. Yeah, that's part but most of the drawings in the site are just this phase. We only show the central site plan as a context. You're not approving anything beyond the strolling department. Um, so you're going to try to be in touch with the trails committee before the next meeting. Yeah, the trails is I was uh looking at our master plan and I think I was confused. I thought we had maybe some more connector uh locations or or sort of a uh through multiarial. It doesn't look like that's on this lot here. It's just the existing trail network of a kind of a hiking uh network. So um I think for your larger uh conception for if you were to go buildings 2, three, and four that would become more uh integral or see how they potentially save some of that existing network. more crucial, but uh I'll bring it to the rest of the trail committee. Any other questions? Thank you, gentlemen. Thank you. Thank you. Right. 8:38 Road. Come on up.

[Music] Hi, Steve Peladino and basically I'm here representing JKS properties and Don Hower. Uh Don just had surgery last week so he couldn't make it. So basically we're just uh looking to do a lot line adjustment um move uh 2.81 only one parcel that has house and barns to the other side of the road with the property that he's keeping and then JPS will be buying the agricultural land. Where was the old line doing a lot line adjustment part of this parcel? So the parcel little parcel that's outlined there is getting moved over across the road to the parcel that houses you're essentially splitting out this parcel and adding it to the parcel to the north. Yes. Yes. It it should technically be a minor subdivision. So they have a conservation easement with the county and part of the terms of the easement it has to be treated as a lot of land adjustment I guess really is to my understanding I talked to Abigail from the county and that's how she explained it. So, I think I think we're all set for this circumstance, but yes, and and for future ones, I think we we treat that as a, you know, minor subdivision, but they have to the the pre-existing uh conservation easement that has its own long terms. So, I think we have to honor those basically consolidate the the buildings for the farm. Yeah, we we

were going to buy the entire parcel. Um, but Mr. Hower wanted to have life use of the part of the agreement. He wanted to have life use of the house and the and the barns and we don't really have any need for those. Um, so we contact he said, "Well, I would hold on to them, but I don't know if I can." So, we contacted the county with because of the easement to see if that was if they could do that within the easement and they said that they could. So, this and we actually have an option to buy the north side of the road in the future, too. So, so, so you're looking at purchasing parcel one is the idea. Yes. Okay. Yes. Does that make sense to everybody? I can kind of explain with this bigger map, too, if you're still unclear. Yeah. So, Mr. Hower owns all of this what's hatched in the in the lighter hatch on the south down here as well as all this up to the north here. And they're going to sell Mr. Paladino the parcel one, but keep the house in the surrounding two acres and put it back into his land up top there. And the plants for parcel one are just a agriculture or dairy farm. So there's some woods on there too. Yeah, there's the woods there. Yeah. Leave that as woods. Yeah, we can we can't do anything with that. That's a wet considered wetland. So that woods will have to stay. So, so there's a John, there's a there are the old railroad beds on this property that would be in the future part of the trail system at all. Thanks for bringing it up. See, got a map open right now.

[Music] So, I do have I have a question about parcel C. I mean, it's just shy of 3 acres. It looks like 2.8. 81, but there are a lot of structures on it currently residential. And so I'm wondering what do we know about the septic situation there? And so would there be room for septic replacement if needed? I just don't want to end up with this parcel that's got residential structures and we've approved the subdivision or the lot line adjustment and then like the se limited with reus. It's just there's just the one the one house that has had the septic forever. So there won't be there won't be any changes. No, but if that if that septic fails, is there room even with the existing structures on that parcel for a replacement septic? I I would think so. Yeah, I think and I think the only distance that you're after really is the the distance between the septic the well. Yeah. which is but if you have I mean you have a lot of you know barns and outuildings that are occupying the remainder of that almost three acres I mean it's hard it's such a small map it's probably just fine but I' I've seen people cut themselves off of future not thinking about future lots you can kind of see how the the house is closest to the road and then everything Oh yeah know I'm super familiar with those houses so to actually to the south I think my guess would be I don't know that the septic is to the south of the house there and I assume they just if they needed to replace it they just place where it is dig out the that's the more expensive option is my understand interesting to move it interesting okay I'm just curious this parcel has uh they got rid of the development rights they sold that correct that you buy did that impact you at all looking at the

property that you're you don't you lost the development rights. Um did you guys consider that? Did it make any impact? I'm just wondering. Well, we've already part of the easement is there could only Mr. Mer could only sell to there can only be three different owners of the entire original parcel. So he sold we've been buying it parcel by parcel for we bought three four separate parcels. This will be the fourth parcel. And they all had development rights were conveyed out. All the ones you bought in the past. Yeah. Good. Basically within the easement development rights are gone and we don't have any desire to develop because we're hoping to stay in farming forever. So curious that has an impact. Not for us. It's for us it's actually favorable. Okay. Yeah, there's definitely a trail along the front face of Colin Road for the long-term master trail approach. It's hard to just get it oriented with where you are here. Um I think I'll have to send something to Mason later on just see where that lines up because it's town's trying to get permanent easements to do a comprehensive trail um getting the landing fee title doesn't normally happen but allowing access to make some trail connections and make corridors we move I don't know what implications their their farm um a easement there through the county would have I don't know you have to discuss that probably with guy and see how it's like Dryen has the rail to trail is that right trail to rail whatever it is over the old railroad bed

and this is an old railroad bed I didn't know if the town of Lancing was hoping something like that would come about in the future that's what I kind of want to leave where where is the old railroad bed on that property where [Music] part of it. It's almost just past the end of Beach Road which is I believe west through here. Yeah. And you can see it rem comes up maybe it's further south where the arc is here. Am I on the wrong? Yeah, you might be on the wrong end. You're on. You are on the wrong end. Am I Is that why it's hard to match up? It's on the wrong end of common. Each road is on this side of the common. I'm like, is that in trouble here? I mean, it's too far out. I just thought I'd bring it up cuz we we were talking about the trails. Yes. So far away from the so-called Lancing Center that u I apologize that's probably not they're not farming. I'm assuming that what you see right now is tilled is what you'll be tilling. Yes. The the railroad bed is not anything that we're going to even attempt to disturb because it's it's raised a good 3 to 4 feet. It's a lot of gravel. It's overgrown. It would cost way too much for us to consider. Mason, can you follow that railroad bed to the south just as the map? Just move it up. How far? What's the next closest road? Yeah, just keep going. Just so we've got quite a ways. Sirill's

road. What's the next road? Road goes through Morris. It's not that far away, is it? Which is where I Yeah, it's on the upper. It's weird cuz it kind of goes angle. All right. I don't know. It's up to trail committee if they're comment there's nothing on the map. There's a waterfall back in there somewhere with a uh what used to be where we went right across the top of the waterfall. If you follow that trail further up, um there's a there's a a fill there's a tunnel where the creek goes under the railroad and it's it was when it was built, it was supposedly one of the largest fill areas for railroads in the state. In other words, they had to dump all the soil in to build it up. They didn't put a trestle across it. And uh that's further up. Um oh, I forgot whose farm it is. It's you know where I'm talking. You know, have you probably seen it, right? That trestle. It's there's a town's the property that Frank Towner owns. Yeah. Yeah. That's I think that's what you're talking about. The river. Yeah. I've walked back. It's pretty impressive, isn't it? I think it is actually. Yeah. If you go south of Morris tree farm a little bit and then west follow one of those creeks there's a very interesting waterfall in there when I was about 10 down there with the wadels and then a little bit of summertime slack down a slope. So where are we at on this one? Kind of got drifted away. I think we're all all set. Just turn it over to the staff to do the lot. Yep. That was It just needed

your guys' review and comments and then um I will reach back out to your guys's attorney and get all the Oh, you got We've been trying to do this since December. Yeah, cool. If you want to just leave those with me, I'll get them all signed and I do I reach out to you and come pick them back up or who gets them when they're signed? You okay? Let me What's uh just leave your 6607 28 43 4348. I will give you a call probably tomorrow. Thank you. Perfect. Thank you. Thank you very much. Bye. Bye, Steve. Okay, last but not least, 308 Northfield Road. [Music] Thank you for being patient. Ross Benson, High Gear Motorsports. Just looking to renew my um approval for a building addition onto the current shop. So, didn't seem like that long ago we approved it. Yeah. Time flies and you're having fun. 3 years. Is it really? Almost today. Almost today. Wow. Just missed it. So, what's your game plan then? Soon. You don't know. We're always hoping, man. It's hard lot of stuff going on, but yeah, that's uh pretty much ready to go. We're ready to file for the building permit. We've got contractors and stuff at this stage. So, and a decent plan. So, I don't remember. It looks in the It looks like there were fence pieces in the sketch. Are they in existence? Fence is there. It's there. Fence is there. We've been building over the past

several years. Just uh Okay. Buffers and planting trees and, you know, we have good relationships with the neighbors and stuff like that. So, it's a most of the most the impact and everything's out back. It's hidden. Uh cleans the space up. Uh keeps a professional look. That's what we're after. board. You have questions about this renewal. We've got we've been through this. We've been through no changes from the prior. We just missed the three three So, we've got a resolution here grants site plan approval and let's see conditions on this. I just kept the I this is the original resolution from his original approval. I just updated all the dates. So, some of these are probably already completed. Some of the dark sky lighting stuff that looks like he's already incorporated into the building. So just, you know, the new addition you have to continue that group. I think you should be good. And then if there's any new conditions you guys might add, we can add those. But do you have any trouble with the uh soccer neighbors or No, they're they're actually good guys. I correspond quite a bit with Steve. I actually go over and help him out and I keep an eye on the property and and we have good relationship. So once once you're on your property, there there's quite a buffer there, right? You probably can't see the field or Yeah. a winner or I mean it's a decent hedro. Yeah, it's it's it's good. The lights don't really bother. Um I owned a property on 31 Ocean Road 2 and uh they had some lights

on the field but I just worked it out with Steve and he put some different lighting in and whatnot so we didn't have to see it at night. But yeah, they're they're good guys to work with. So good good to hear. Yeah. Yeah, they do a good job. It's nice seeing people over there playing and stuff too. So they got a pretty good investment there. Anything else board we need to do? I guess we need somebody to move. Yeah. Second. Tom. Sandy. Yes. L. Yes. Christine. Yes. Daniel. Yes. John. Yes. Dean. Yes. Everybody see the memo on how to vote. Yes. Yes.org is.com. It's not that comment as part of the public understand. [Music] So you can relax. Uh, Kelly, does everybody have uh what are you doing every like every other month an update on where people are at for their um uh continuing? Yeah, there hasn't been a whole lot of movement. So,

just keeping in mind to get your continuing ad in did you go to the conference? Yes. How was that? It was good. It was a little bigger than the year before, but uh it was good. There was a lot of good stuff there. Anybody else here go to the conference? Where was it? Did you go? Oh, was it Cooper Town? Oh, Cooper Town this time. Yeah. You liked it? Yeah, it was good. You went I just went for the day. What you think, Jim? I liked it. I learned I didn't I learned all the little stuff like forum and you know, stuff in. So, it was like before you could take what classes you wanted to take, right? Classes. I thought that was good. what you're interested in. Well, Coopertown was certainly closer than Lake George or Saratoga, even those are some nice places, but that's quite a bit closer. You went to Yeah. went to Freddy went down. Yeah. Yeah. That's definitely one of the advantages that stuff out of the way. Now I just have to guess about 100 more of those and I'll retain all [Music] Joe. Anything you want off to us from the last 3 minutes. Uh let's see. [Music] Uh in May, we updated the uh town code on taxation, exempting uh barns and handicapped additions and couple other things, giving people reduced taxation rate on that kind of improvement. The

idea is there's certain things that we want to encourage people to do so we don't charge them extra property taxes for doing them. What What was the first one, Joe? Barnes. Barn. If you improve your barn, you don't get taxed for the extra value cuz we like our barns. Uh we've been updating our contracts with both the lawyer and with the uh engineering firm about the large solar projects because we've got two more possibly a third one uh coming online. So this is just kind of a process that we're we're working in as a regular thing now. Uh it seems to be the thing to do in Lansing. Mhm. Um, how far along are you guys with the host community agreement? The one with Yellow Barn is heavily being negotiated right now. Delaware Solar signed an agreement with us. I think we did that at our June meeting. I think that was Delaware. It was at one of these two meetings. I'm trying to remember which one it was. Delaware. Yeah, Delaware was in June. That was the small one you guys did that they uh agreed. Yeah. Yeah. We we came to an agreement with them and the town board approved it last week and I assumed Delaware is signing it because they agreed to it before we approved it. Was that process you were talking about money going to the parks? Did was that part of the agreement? They It's not part of the agreement. They don't tell us how to spend the money. We get to spend it however we want. The town board is going to put it into a reserve fund. So the town board has made that decision. That's kind of official or not? It's unofficial, but everybody's agreed to it. So under roughly anyway, 285,000 for Delaware. What lump sum? Not a two two payments. Uh, you know, one at the beginning and one a little while after. I can't I can look it up if you

really want. No, it's just curious. But two payments. Um, we're doing most of these with the majority of it up front. That's what we're doing with Yellow Barn as well. Um, right now the plan is uh to hire somebody to do grant writing with some of that money because we want to use that. We want to leverage that money for as much as we can. So, we use that as the town share and try to get some more money uh from various grants because when you're doing parks and recreation, there's a sizable amount of grant money out there to do that kind of stuff. So, how can we leverage that money we're getting to do as much for the town as we can? So that's probably the first thing that will happen with it. More questions. Uh and we the town has approved all of the contracts for the trails group. I think we've got like two and a half different contracts going on. one for a master plan and then we've got a couple of them for this uh route from Meyers down to or Myers up to this up to this town center and all those um contracts with the consultants have been signed. This is all grant money paying for these uh consultings and so those are all starting um you'll get you'll get more input as they go along but they're in the starting price. John, you I missed the last meeting or two. So, thank you, Joe. The updates. We we we adjusted the MJ contract because they were doing not quite what we wanted them to do. So, we got got that adjusted. Let's see what else. We are going to be approving. We're going to be updating the town code to allow cannabis sales at our next meeting. Um, did you say that again? We're going to be approving cannabis sales in the town. Not that I'm expecting a huge line, but it'll allow the town to tap into that tax revenue,

which right now we're not getting. Is there is anybody approached? I just wonder, you know, they'll have a place to go once Andy. Yeah. That's why you want the connection to the trail, right? So th those are the basic things that have been happening that I think would interest you. You got any questions for the town board? Have you I broke around with the new highway bar. Uh they've got the salt barn starting in process. Seems like they're cleaning stuff up. Yeah, they're kind of sight preparation, but that's all been signed and started. And um last I heard they were starting to work on moving the salt barn over. They've got a temporary place where they're putting things and most of the old salt barn is down at this point, but I haven't been back there so I haven't seen what's is the timeline 18 months or something or I don't remember off the top of my head. I would be surprised if they could build all that in 18 months, but maybe. [Music] The other one was uh did you reach an agreement with the scoops in the town land in that town? We're talking with them. We're trying to figure out what the uh plan is. Uh my memory I think we approved a one-year extension so we'd have time to figure out what to do. I think that building the you know serving ice cream out it might be 10 x 12 or something and you know hopefully it's a not a $285,000 painting. It's quite minimal. Uh the problem with moving these scoops around is they need running water. And you know, as soon as you need running water and bathroom access, it limits what you can do with them and where you can move them. And so we're trying to figure out how how to deal with scoops. We're not trying to push them out, but the highway department's needing more and more of that space. And so we're trying to figure out how to to

balance the two. And next to building one, we're we got to figure out what to do. And we don't have a we don't have a plan. What's the story on the wood chips? I see you got boulders there now. You can't pick up wood chips or Sure, you can. You just have to pull in from around Scoops. So, you don't drive through Scoops to pick up wood chips. You have to go past them. So, there's an entrance on the back to come back to get the wood. And if you want to drop them off, you have to go in a different entrance cuz it's over on the other side of Scoops. Oh. Oh, okay. And that's all temporary. That's all temporary at the moment. I'm not sure. Brush Mountain and and they're all they're all over there now. Don't you don't go over to the other area at all. It's definitely close to that wetland map that was up. Oh, yeah. It's wet over there. Yeah. And Mikey said that they looked into it and so far DC says everything's fine. Okay, great. It's definitely wet. There's a running down through there. There is. And there's a little bit of runoff, but uh DC looked at it and they were fine with what's going on right now. What about uh Dandy? They're just digging and digging and they're they're they're leveling the site is what I hear. And that's all they have. Come back here. You haven't noticed them yet. They're going to come here first. They're not going to come to the town board. Mason, have you heard anything or not? So, they haven't come back to you. Mason at all. No. The last time we saw him, I think you Yeah. was when you met with us, me, you, John, and the three folks from Danny there. So they may they may stay with the same same footprint then possibly. I don't think they can when the state makes them move the sidewalk. The state moves to move the sidewalk. You guys have to do the site plan revision and the state's making move it so they can have that extra turn lane which which we were asking for and they said you can't have I'm not saying you get a real turn. My

understanding is they want it they they're required to do some kind of turning lane, which means they have to move the sidewalk that's right next to the street, which means you guys have to review whatever change they're doing in that sidewalk. We we were talking about putting a turning lane there right from the get right beginning. So, so that's the lesson to everybody out there. Listen to the planning board when they talk to you about ideas. So, does Danny realize that they have to come back here? I wonder. Oh, I'm sure they do. Yeah, they don't. Okay, they they're doing some cost cutting measures too is what Mason said months ago now. [Music] Getting all their piece and piece together. I hope so. But but I'll hear from you guys. You guys won't hear from me. [Music] So Mason, um if if the only change was the sidewalk, would that still be subject to public comment or not? So now when when does it go to public comment under revisions? So it's up the board to decide. I think it's up to the board. I think it is. So all of us would have to decide on if we want this to go to the uh if it's a big enough significant significant enough change that should public comment on it. In all likelihood if they move the sidewalk they have to decrease the amount they have to decrease the amount of area for their driveways and stuff which means stuff has to move. Exactly. Yeah. I don't see how you move the sidewalk significantly and not bump everything else around enough that you guys have to do a real talking about changes to the building orientation. They wanted to make it smaller so they didn't need much space on the building. Sounds like you're going to start over. How many How long was that? Year and a half. Was not insecure. A lot of time. A year

and a half. That was a lot of time. But you'll have a full room again. Yeah. Exactly. All right. Thank you, gentlemen. You're welcome. Thanks, Joe. And reach out to me at any time and you don't have to wait. There's you see the that back side. We need a motion to adjourn next building. I'm sorry. No, no. I mean, can we uh