Planning and Housing Commission - Regular Meeting

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[Music] I'd like to welcome you to tonight's planning and Housing Commission um commissioner Vernon will lead us in tonight's pledge to flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for it stands one nation under God indivisible liy and justice for all I'd like to call this meeting to order individuals wishing to address the planning and Housing Commission are requested to complete a speaker card and deliver it to the secretary um prior to the item being heard please observe a 3 minute time limit for communication and once being called upon please state your name and city of residence meeting minutes Miss Capia are there any speakers cards from the public for meeting minutes no chair Longwell for approval of the minutes for Planning Commission um planning and Housing Commission meeting for February 24th do we have a motion I motion the minutes be approved is there a second second that say that again okay okay so when we get to the item you can absolutely fill out a speaker card do you have a speaker do you want to talk about the do you have do you want to speak on the meeting minutes from last week's meeting

okay for tonight okay so are there the speaker cards are in the back or with you yes there are speaker cards and pencils in the back if you'd like to fill one out for the public hearing item which will be coming up absolutely and then you can just take those cards to Mrs kabia so a motion was made by commissioner Alexander and seconded by commissioner Vernon please vote commissioner Vernon can you place your vote put in your vote perfect motion's passed um Communications from the public this portion of the agenda is intended for general public comment on items within the commission's jurisdiction that are not listed Elsewhere on the agenda please note that the state law prohibits the planning and Housing Commission from discussing or taking action on the items and please observe a three minute time limit for your comments Miss Capia are there any speakers cards from the public public not for Comm I know we have some people filling out speakers cards is anyone filling out a card for something that's not on the agenda I'm going to say that's no and we'll move to public hearing so the first public the first

item on the public hearing um is cup 20235 a conditional use permit for the establishment of a religious facility a mosque within an existing 4330 ft residential dwelling on a 1.37 acre property located at 2460 South Maine applicant is Ali Raza Ravi rizvi um representing the Saad Islamic Society um Brendan D the assistant planner will now present this item thank you chair good evening chair Longwell and members of the Planning Commission I'm pleased to present the item before you tonight for the conditional use permit record number cup 2023-24 60 Sou South Main Street so tonight's request we have a conditional use permit for the conversion of an existing 4,330 ft residential dwelling to be converted into a religious facility or a mosque just a brief background for the Planning Commission and also a locational map located on the right side so again it's located at 2460 South Main Street it's located just west of South Main Street and south of Montoya drive in naners way um subject properties is approximately 1.37 Acres it's currently again developed and is a 4330 ft dwelling um that's vacant also owned by the Islamic Society the proposed mosque will um replace the current mosque location that's located

at the North Corona mall um the reason for the relocation is the city recently acquired that property and so once they're Le is done they're going to be looking for a new location and they feel that this is their best fit next uh development standards and allowable uses so religious facilities are allowed in all residential zones with the approval of a conditional use permit um the parking was based on a one space per 25 square foot square fet of assembly area um in this case it'll be located based off of the um prayer Hall um setbacks will be consistent with the residential Zone Zone at R1 8.4 and there's currently no change to the existing building footprint so the building footprint that's out there right now it'll remain the same and there won't be any structural changes to that um provided below are also the setback requirements um for that zone and also for that site it's important to note that this site's adjacent to two public right of ways and so per the Crona Municipal Code the portion in which it fronts um the narrowest portion would be the front so that front setback is actually off of nanner way that's why their rear setback would be located off South Main Street wanted to talk a little bit about the daily operations and their day-to-day activities so 365 days of year they'll have prayer um five times a day each pray is about 3 to 5 minutes and it ranges from sunrise to sunset as their um typical time frame so the times that are presented before you right now on the screen up top um was prior to the daylight savings time that we just experienced So currently it's about an hour up front but it it does vary throughout the year in that hour time frame and and they're pretty precise based off of um their afternoon morning sunset sunrise Etc um Saturday through Thursday they have an anticipated

attendees of about Zer to 10 people during those prayer times their busy times are on Fridays and Sundays and that anticipation is about 50 to 75 individuals throughout those two time frames next we have the site plan so I wanted to talk a little bit on the site plan um we got a lot going on so I'll try to walk you through it um overall on the site about 19,000 ft of landscaping will be provided on the Northerly portion there you'll see the proposed bio retention Basin it's on the northeast corner of the project site that's that area if you took a site visits on the lower side of the grade and it just kind of naturally drains to the north side so that's the best fit for that Basin um in addition to that it has 68 spaces and that's based off of the 1,675 ft² uh prayer Hall area for both the men and women located on the easterly corner as well is the front entrance and then on the southernly corner is the exit so it'll be right in right out off of South Main Street daily they'll be traveling um southbound off South Main Street on to the site and then they'll be leaving uh Southbound on South Main Street as well located on the Northwestern corner is an emergency access call out that access is just what it's called out for is emergency purposes only ideally that site or that driveway will never be utiliz but in the event that it does it has a nox box there for fire purposes as well next we have our floor plan again going to be consistent cons in of two prayer Halls totaling 1,675 ft two reading rooms approximately 495 ft and then three restrooms as well and other various rooms associated with the religious facility there are other reading rooms and and other areas there

in conjunction with the mosque known as their knowledge Center that's more that just further their or expand their knowledge in the field here we have located as our wall and fence plan so you'll see two colors there and also images on the right in red will be a 6' high rod iron fence that's being proposed about 258 linear feet across that front edge on South Main Street in addition to that you'll see two purple outlines those will be the gates that are 6 feet high those are sliding Gates they're not going to be swinging so they'll be sliding in and out um north and south on the exit and then east and west on the entrance up there um the one on the back off nanner way located on the Northwestern corner is going to be untouched that one's going to remain the same um but yeah this is the wall and fence plant being proposed currently next we have our elevations um terms of any structural changes again no exterior um alterations that would impact the original footprint of the dwelling it's going to remain the same single family residential look that it's had since it was built back in 1957 this located on the top will be the East Elevation this will be the portion that's fronting Main Street they took off those Gates that you'll see out there right now um just to give it a more friendly appearance but in terms of construction material it'll still remain the same with concrete tiles stucco plaster finish and then they'll also be revamping just whatever is needed out there including their wood siding um but in terms of the single family residential look and facade it'll remain the same and with that we have staff's recommendation excuse me staff recommends that the planning and Housing Commission find the project

categorically exempt and adopt a resolution number 2661 granting cup 20235 approved based on the findings contained in the staff report and conditions of approval myself and the rest of the staff are available for any questions you may have and thank you for your time thank you so much um do any Commissioners have questions for staff oh hi thanks for the report uh Mr doy um I get the the one thing that the the one concern I have kind of about the site plan is um is the traffic flow and I'm just wondering um you know what what sort of discussions there were about you know um leading up to the the plan that was submitted sure chair Woody or commissioner Woody my apologies um I can say I kind of picked this project up um as it was running but I will say that this is an existing site and so I think that's one of the reasons why the Islamic Society kind of appealed to this is there's already three curb Cuts there's already three driveways in place so they were kind of commed in terms of uh circulation internal circulation getting a parking lot um to meet this intense parking standard in play um what they had come to the conclusion is that this was the best way to go about it with the um one-way aisle you can see on the uh easterly Corner Froning South Main Street it's actually a 45 degree parking angle which would allow them to have that 18t one-way Drive aisle um if they were to do anything beyond that they wouldn't be be able to meet a two whe two-way Drive aisle with so there was significant challenges with the internal circulation of the site given just where the home's

located and what the mosque's uh parking requirements are so that was kind of those additional discussions we had and how they ultimately came to this design okay so then the for a two-way Drive aisle it looks like it looks like there there's some up there that are 25 ft is that that the standard yeah that's correct it would be more of that 25 26 foot based off of what fires requirements were um that's why they also needed that emergency access off Nan's way I guess my main my main the main concern I have so all the traffic is to enter on the North driveway on Main Street and then all the traffic is to exit on the south driveway that's that's the way the plan as as I see it right yes that's correct and so then I mean is is it possible to have wider driveways you know like I'm just see thinking that having everybody enter and then have to make a sharp left turn um you know immediately upon entering will be a pretty slow um effort um you know at the peak times when we're getting potentially you know 60 60 or more cars and then for the people who um are coming in they'll have to park all the way in the back so they'll have to drive all the way around I was also wondering you know there is a it looks like a driveway on the north side of there that's um 24 24 uh and 4 in it looks like I mean could that not be also a way for people

to get to the back you know the the west side parking uh area of that of the of the lot I I just I just see a little problem problematic of of the you know diverting everybody to the left and then you know having to drive all the way around to to get there and then of course the exit you know it would be nice if there could be um you know the the southbound uh the South U driveway could also be a two-way so more people could uh enter there as well yeah commissioner Woody um terms of the driveway Ingress and egress development services had reviewed this as one it does meet their driveway Ingress egress standard um staff didn't feel at the time that any expansion of the driveway would be needed the bigger convers ation was the gates and the queuing behind that gate um we also worked with the applicant to ensure that that gate was going to be remaining open during those prayer times so it wouldn't back up onto Main Street um and then just overall um internal circulation they felt the applicant had felt it was best to just do a internal circulation rotating down to the south side of the lot um so the gate the gate's only at the exit um driveway there's not a gate on the entrance sure could we go back to the wall and fence plan if we can so highlighted in purple are the two gates um one will be located on the North side there highlighted in purple and then one will be on the south um those will be the two gates the one on the North will be kind of where that Ingress is going to be located as they turn right off of South Main Street then the one located on the south is will be their exit

okay I have no further questions at this time okay uh thank you um I thank you uh commissioner Woody I too have the same uh concerns I see the driveway Straight Ahead as being a second option what that will do is flush the cube the problem is there's only three vehicles queuing so you're almost guaranteed to back up on Dom Main Street the center median uh the race Center median uh is the reason why it's right in right out which makes sense so with that said is you're directing into a bottleneck all cars coming southbound Maine into the property so immediately you're um bringing together uh a a conflict correct because you're having to turn left immediately within a short distance what is that 25 ft so by forcing them to go left and not go straight forward straight back and I went out to the property and I see the retaining wall that separates the drive from this Basin area and I understand there's a uh proximity you have to stay away from it but in my mind uh the having dual access to draw it away from Maine should be the priority and having turn left um and thank you for the explanation regarding the distance the requirement for the width of the lane uh you said dual Lane but that whole entrance right up until you get to the right hand turn for the parking uh going uh West that's a single Lane the

way you have it driven uh drawn so my my concern is twofold one it's the entrance I think it's uh creating a clog it's going to back up onto Main Street you've got let's say you have a full attendant 68 vehicles and they're all coming 15 to 30 minutes for the service so and they're only able to come in one way and that's southbound main onto this property and immediately having to turn left if you look at all the other properties on the west side of Main Street which I did uh all of those businesses which has a lot bigger capacity for cars and visitors or residents or whatnot uh from Citron down to Ontario they all have two at least two methods of Entry off of Main Street uh as you're going Southbound so all of them have you go left all the way to the end or you can go straight so that is going to eliminate backlogging onto Main Street the traffic flowing on Main Street is at a high rate of speed because they haven't quite come up to the stop where it intersects with Magnolia so my question would be after all that long- windedness is um if you were to allow the circulation to go straight back that would alleviate um I see that it's uh highlighted no parking near the water basin but if you were to remove that the L part of the cinder block existing wall and have traffic go back that would create the flow drawing away from Main Street and I think that would be a good consideration um the vehicles on the slant the same distance that you have there you can put 23 parking spaces at least I counted at the top across the front because I don't think there's

enough parking uh I know that the calculation was done on based on the square footage of the the assembly room um and I don't know the code uh but in my eyes both reading rooms or both reading rooms are also assembly because in the applicants letter and also in your staff report it talks about the same type of function uh for not only the reading rooms for enrichment uh and learning that happens in the reading rooms and it also happens uh enrichment in the prayer rooms so with that said you would need 86 uh technically uh parking lot uh so you're short there um as far as on the angle I know when the city put in the angled parking on Sixth Street there was a a promotion to get residents to learn about you're going to have to pause in your lane while they come out or back in or whatever the situation is and so that immediately came to mind when you've got only three vehicles in the que so there's no way to flush the queue cuz there's only one lane one way in and I would feel better with uh it's almost like you're asking for a variance if you think about it because all the other businesses have two ways to draw the traffic in and have an option versus immediately turning left so thank you commissioner Woody I uh I also had the same um questions on that could could I uh ask a question that maybe clarifies something you just said um the reading rooms then because I I would I was thinking about those two but I um yeah I mean is there a reason why the reading rooms are not counted I mean I guess in my mind those would be similar to Other Well if you look at the

site map a room where a Sunday school class might meet in a church uh right is that enrichment sort of well all of those rooms also have occupants loads so in a way that's consistent with the prayer rooms yeah so in my mind unless there's a specific part of the code their assembly also I it was too small I couldn't read what the well that's what I was asking maybe staff can clarify why those would not be included in in the formula yeah sure chair or uh commissioner Woody um in terms of what we've historically done for the MOS we've we've done the parking ratio based off of that prayer Hall area and the assembly um areas what would fall underneath that prayer Hall area I don't think we've ever had I I can't tell you off the bat what Santana way had done with their mosque in terms of what their parking ratio was and whether or not they had other miscellaneous rooms that could have been determined as an assembly area but the communication that we've had was always use the assembly area parking as what the prayer Hall area would include well I'm not necessarily concerned with what the other mosque was but what are the what's the standard for all the churches in town because that would be the standard yeah I'm going to interrupt here so here's what happens when you're dealing with uh religious institutions not everything is happening at the same time so not just with the MOs but with all of our other religious facilities we only park it at the congregation area for prayer because all the other activities are occurring outside of prayer hours so you don't need to duplicate the parking you actually share it so for example what chair W or commissioner Woody said you're right when you have Sunday school prayer service is over so you have

people that are there that are now doing Sunday teachings and you don't need to provide for that parking because it's already calculated in and that is the same situation here so when the applicant gets up to speak tonight I think they could talk about how their operation works but the learnings are separate from the prayer times and then I think the prayer is also very limited in itself so they can also talk about how long someone is there doing prayer it's my understanding it could be five minutes so then they're on their way so these uses are not all going to collide at the same time within the building so we have always parked it based on the assembly for the prayer area and that's all churches thank you for that so I think that answers the parking ratio question but not the can someone can you adjust to go straight um when you enter off of Main Street so I I'd like to add some information regarding that regarding the driveways so all the drive bio whs meet the city standard they've been reviewed by all applicable departments including the fire department and has been approved they've looked at the onsite circulation and they have no issues in terms of allowing vehicles to punch straight up um there is a grade difference between where that garage is at the end of that drive a to the parking lot drive on the other side there's about a 4ft grade difference and that's why it wasn't designed to allow for vehicles to punch through and we can have the applicant come here and explain a little bit more about that grade difference in what they've looked at but as far as I understand the grade difference but um but it's not impossible we can have I don't know if

their Engineers is here today but they could speak to what designs they've looked at and if I heard you correctly your biggest concern is the the stacking that's going to happen on Main Street based on the three cars that are going to be queuing before that gate and that congestion that happens as you turn left well it's just not the congestion it's the large and this is at the peak time you know this isn't obviously during 90% of uh the prayer times that were listed but the way that it's designed is you have you have the immediate left-and turn you have the timing of perhaps the first cars that are coming in or coming out if someone's leaving and some they're only there 5 minutes they're in one of those parking spaces they're backing out while the rest of them are coming in that's going to back up the entrance is right there so it's a very complex uh the entrance isn't on the other side for example some churches are on the backside where the majority of the parking is uh including 7th Day Advent next door um so you have a lot going on you have people getting out of their cars uh the handicap parking you've got the walking going across there which could slow traffic so there's a lot multiple factions going on that are going to contribute to uh the three Q's maxing out really quick uh the rest of the circulation looks great I like the idea of right out only it's you have a center medium and then you've got the intersection coming up right after that anyway as you continue South uh it's just the the flow should have an option when you're backing up so if you have folks um for example the applicant said in their letter that they would have attendees out in the parking lot to direct there's nowhere to direct I mean if it's clogged it's clogged you

have to wait for pedestrians you have to wait for parking you have to wait for there's multiple factors there that I have concerns with um and yeah and being that close to Maine and it is a major arterior that uh was described in the staff report so that would be my question um I do have some other uh questions cheriff I could go on yeah absolutely thank you um when in the staff report on page two where it talks about the building it's only one building right at one point it talks about uh a plural and then the fire department section under the um conditions of approval they also talk about buildings or specific address for each building commission there just one footprint yes there is just one building footprint okay great um and I had a question regarding the the bio retention Basin um it talked about condition of approval about having to remove the well uh multiple places it talked about drainage and uh the soil stability is that all just standard coding from public works or is there something about the well being there having to be removed and the the retention Basin is where it's at because of the soil or is it just standard wording the applicant said they would remove the well so it's just standard wording to ensure they remove it properly is the well located where the Basin is outlined I think I believe it's over in that area I was just wondering if it was unique to the lot or uh it was just standard verbage and I I just thought that is the well going to is the bio the retention

Basin going there because of the slope and the difference of elevations it's just a natural place to put it or yeah that's that's the natural place to put the base in and the applicant's going to abandon the well so we we just want to make sure they follow the right procedures when they do that okay thank you um and as far as the the ramps versus stairs is that ADA compliance or is that just a you don't have to have a ramp plus stairs it's just uh convenience correct for the front and the back of the building sure uh if I were to take a stab at it I think typically yes you would need to have that ADA compliance WRA so you'll typically see stairs and you'll see a ramp um perhaps the applicant can provide a little bit more information on that but I do think think that the ramp is just the um overall satisfactory version for all parties and when uh it's referred to on the site map the occupancy load is that a fire marshall code building code or uh where is that term it's just the maximum occupancy correct yeah a little bit of low both but typically building and safety I see I had a question regarding the applicant anticipating the larger attendance but I'll address the uh applicant and I I just want to say that we you know this commission uh it's it's just not this application in the past when we have a project that's coming forward and it's so close to a major arterior uh we you know have extra scrutiny because uh you know for example we did Raising Cane on East Ontario they we made them put in a dual drive-thru

because of one uh the site is known to attract a lot of customers and two we didn't want to have that backlog onto Ontario uh because they're so popular uh being there also with Del Taco in also so we did it for Raising Cane The Learning Experience the um Child Care Facility off Ontario we wanted to make sure that Vesper Circle wasn't overloaded backlogging entrances coming in queuing and making that leftand turn uh just another example was pivot school went in on North Main Street it was also close to Main Street so we were uh scrutinizing the uh Ingress egress and that type of circulation so we're not picking on you it's just something that we do uh and we also did the Starbucks on Green River we want to make sure that what the activity happening on the site whether it's a mosque whether it's a school whatever the case is is that it's self-sufficient and then it stays on the site it doesn't overflow in a negative way to the neighborhood so I just wanted to make that point so regarding the front there uh the only way to make those parking spaces uh is to put them on the slant and that's because it's a two-way even though there's oneway arrows in your diagram yes they had to get a 45° parking angle um on those parking spaces adjacent to Main Street um because they weren't going to be able to fit that amount of parking spaces elsewhere so they had to have that angled parking thank you if I can jump in is 45 degree angle parking the only acceptable angle for parking no we have numerous different angles that would

allow for different uh aisle widths I don't know off the top of my head um what those other widths were but I on this one in specific the 45 degree angle would allow for an 18 um one aisle way with 18 ft to clarify I had one more question in the staff report it or maybe it was the conditions of approval it talked about on the West End which that would be that far wall from your plan that's up on the screen right now it talked about having I think it said half Diamond Planters every sixth parking space is that shown in the diagram and will that take away parking spaces or how does that work yes commissioner Alexander it won't necessarily take away any parking spaces they'll be able to have those diamonds every six spaces that's just the general practice that we have for parking lots again this one's a little bit unique in terms that it's it's a residential use but we do we don't typically see parking lots of the sizes on on residentially zoned Parcels but in this particular case it's a typical standard that you'd see with Industrial and Commercial uses but it shouldn't affect the number of parking spaces back there on the Westerly property line I only say it CU I see the diamonds in the front on the east side but I don't see it in the site plan on the back row correct yeah we had conditioned them to implement that on the Westerly angle those diamonds that are located on the angled parking are a lot larger than the ones that they'll have on the Westerly angle um the ones on the Westerly property line will have just enough planting area for those shade trees and it'll act as an additional buff room between the residences and the and the religious facility I guess my point is that they're not on the diagram so would the planting occur in that setback 5 ft as

it Illustrated and annotated here or it I guess my concern is I don't want it to take away four more parking spaces it won't take away their parking spaces we'll review it through the plant check process the way it's designed is it looks like this and it straddles over two parking spaces oh I see okay it's yeah okay perfect thank you yeah at the very top of the parking space too so your tire comes in and it'll hit the angle of that planter okay great act on almost like a wheel stop so okay uh that's all I have for staff that was a really good lead into my question which is sound buffering between that parking and the residential behind it the residents behind it I presume bought that assuming that it's residential that's going to abut them and now it's going to be parking that's directly behind them so can you articulate how sound like any type of that is going to be filtered or mitigated from those residents there is an existing block wall along that West perimeter adjacent to those residents in addition there is that 5 foot wide landscape planner along with the diamond planners that would provide that separation that additional buffer the applicant is conditioned to install Shade Trees and Landscaping which will help to tenuate any parking lot noise any parking lot lighting will be required to have fixtures to to hoods over the light fixtures that will require The Lying to Be directed downward so that there's no glare and so we'll look at all this through the plan check process thank you and I had a question uh regarding sound uh in the in the staff report it talked about all the activities occur uh inside uh

the prayer the reading the assembly rooms inside um but the applicant's letter also talked about um special events where larger Crowds Are anticipated and if there is an overflow of folks that spills over into the back patio let's say um it looks like that's a back patio back there um I didn't see it in the conditions of approval of uh no uh audio no speakers outside um which would project towards the homes in the area or uh how does that work with um some mosque have called to prayer and it's audible how does that work yes commissioner Alexander um I did actually ask that the applicant of whether or not they're going to be um proposing any speakers they're not going to be having any speakers majority of the religious facility and religious gatherings will be um within the religious facility itself in the event in which they do have larger events or events that start you know intensifying or expanding outside if it's on a regular basis not only will they have to come back and get a a cup modification for their intensifications but if it's on a temporary basis they'll be subject to a special use permit approval which would go before the board of zoning adjustment and that board of zoning adjustment at the time will have those same concerns of noise and and lighting and and what time um it's important to note this is still a residentially zoned parcel so it'll need to abide by all the um noise ordinances and and other items left in play they don't have any special exemptions in terms of um being Beyond you know what the residential noise allowances are and so again if if there's any intense events going on it'll go through a subject uh additional permit my other question in your write up talked about if there were changes to

the building and the site plan it would come before uh for modifications uh uh for evaluation by staff if that comes forward does that um additional square footage I know there's no plans now but uh it was also mentioned it's a growing community so fast forward 5 10 years from now um would that how how does that work with the adjustment with the parking ratio as soon as they come back in for any revisions and they start intensifying their prayer Hall area the same general checklist or practices will still apply um once we get the proposal in it's at the Planning Development director's discretion whether or not it's going to be an item that can be within you know her approval or if it's going to have to go back to the Planning Commission um for an ultimate decision um if it's something fairly minor it'll still go through those same channels and practices and we'll ensure that it's still parking compliant and if they're intensifying you know a large amount that potentially could trigger you know traffic study or something of that nature it's most likely that if it ever get to that point it's going to be before you guys as well um that's just the general you know fork in the road for these cup mods thank you um Miss cleta if it does come back to you and the square footage is expanded what do you do when there's no more capacity for parking spaces and they're building it larger because their Community is growing which is fine but there's no more parking there's nowhere else to put parking so just because it's reviewed administratively by staff doesn't mean that the rules don't apply so the same rules still apply um they would have to still meet all the minimum requirements so if there's anything related to uh requiring increased parking they still have to do it um we do a lot of admin reviews all the time so the rules still apply whether it comes here or not so that will definitely be looked at thank

you any additional questions um probably just for the applicant for as far as I'm concerned okay I have one quick question on the diagram again so we we have the widths of of the different Drive um Drive Lanes um but I don't see one for the um at the top of the diagram for the uh drive lane on the uh west side of the um do we know what that width is are you talking about up at the North by the nly gate or just just the drive lane uh along that whole parking um row there via U turn right that's the only way you you can't get out that way well it's a two-way drive lane and I'm just wondering how the width compares to the other two-way Drive lanes that are I think they have your answer for commissioner Woody it's 25 ft okay that's a standard for two-way okay perfect thank you um Miss Capia I know I have a lot of speaker cards do you have any additional cards I do not not sure okay so I think we're going to start with the applicant public hearing is now open um if you wish to speak I will and you haven't given a card um please take your card to miss Capia um we're going to start with the applicant I have a lot of cards I know that not everyone intends to speak so if you would like to come up as the applicant please do so state your name I know we have questions for you good evening uh my name is Assad basari I'm the treasurer of sajad Islamic society and I'm here to answer all the questions that you might have today uh so is this going to be a question answer session or should

I if you have if you have a presentation or you want to say something absolutely I want you to feel like you can do that but I know there's questions also so it's probably going to be a little bit of both okay I'll just give you a quick summary of what we are trying to do here where we are coming from what's the game plan and I think we can answer pretty much all the questions that have been raised the question about parking and how the cars go into the driveway I think might need some discussion um so U from a perspective of this cup we are trying to uh move into this religious facility we are trying to create this mque in the city of Corona it is for a specific uh Muslim denomination so just like any other religion that have multiple denominations multiple School uh School of thoughts this is the Shia mosque Shia Muslim denomination which basically technically is about 10% of the entire world Muslim population so it's much smaller than actually the San Anway uh mosque that we have which is about 90% of the Muslim population so just by Design This congregation is not going to probably we'd like to grow uh and as you said in 5 10 years we would like to make it 500 people but just by Design I don't see it growing more than 175 people that's how it's going to be people are going to come they're going to raise their kids they like the city of Corona the school districts are really good you know I mean I have family living here uh and you know eventually they'll move out new people are going to move in so from that perspective uh as far as the congregation size is concerned I don't anticipate anything uh growing more than 170 175 or you know or going back to the commission and saying you know what we want to BU build a new building that can house 500 people uh currently we are actually you know for the last 4 years we have been operating out of uh a city-owned suite in the Corona mall which is uh which we probably have to

vacate in the next few months uh to make room for the corona downtown revitalization process so this is a building that we had purchased in anticipation to make this into a permanent home um in the past so in the last four years that we have been there we have had the same congregation 50 people you know I mean for Friday prayers uh as far as the daily prayers I think we we talked about this they're five daily prayers and they are at different times however none of them are obligatory that I actually have to go to the mosque and pray therefore hence the number during those five specific times I'd really don't anticipate it to be more than five maybe 10 chances are between zero and five so it will be very low also uh going back to the discussion about uh the driveway getting backed up so we uh in our discussions with the planning team we had said that we are going to make sure that the gates are always open during business hours and I understand your uh concern uh commissioner about yeah it's a sharp left curve and it would slow down the entryway however the gates will be open and we will have people who are going to make sure that uh the traffic is guided to the other side so it doesn't back up on Main Street uh so in addition to the the five prayers prayer timings which I've said it's usually 0 to five people so very low also I actually had a prepared statement but I'm trying to address all the questions as I'm thinking about it about your question about uh speakers outside so we are not planning to have any speakers outside there will be call of prayers but that will be within the building culturally historically religion this organized religion came about 1,400 years ago you were somewhere in the middle of uh a desert and you know you had to call for prayer but that is not necessarily needed at this point everyone knows they can go on Google Maps they know these

are the five times for call for prayer this is where we're going to come if you want to go to the mosque and pray at the mosque otherwise we can pray at our in our homes in our offices most of I mean many of the people in this congregation I mean while they live in this area work in different counties I work in uh downtown Los Angeles the odds of me actually coming over there to pray will realistically be one to two times a week if that is possible if I decide to work from home uh so net of all of this is that you know we have been working with the city uh of Chona fire department the planning team the Traffic Division and you know these were all things that we took into account our neighbors who are behind us to make sure that you know noise levels are low therefore definitely no speakers outside nothing like that everything is going to be contained we know that we are asking for a conditional use permit in a location that is surrounded by private homes so it is our responsibility to make sure that we take care of our neighbors and you know and their concerns are addressed as well uh so with that said uh you know U any other questions that you might have Commissioners any questions I don't know if you want to go through the cards or while you're already standing here I appreciate uh your explanation thank you uh um whether it's your um Shia or whether it's the other uh uh the majority um type of uh mosque um attendees um congregation uh they're all growing right every everyone's growing so my question my question for you in as far as the homes I don't have a problem with it those homes on uh on that street they're already next to a church with much larger than yours a larger parking

lot so it's it's nothing new to them uh at least for on that one street um to whatever degree the church operations are I'm not sure U but it's a much larger congregation than the building you're going from uh here here's my my my my concern is the same it's the minimum queuing without an alternate flow of traffic that will draw away from Main Street cuz you only have the one entrance the only one way to come down Main Street and that's not your fault it's got a center median I get that uh I like write in write out um but um so anyway no questions but thank you for your explanations okay so thank you very much I mean with that uh as a closing argument I would uh re requestly request if if possible to approve uh the planning uh team's uh conditional use permit uh you know application for our sajad Islamic Society thank you yeah so I I guess I would like to ask a question of you I mean are you willing to make changes to the design of the parking and the and the flow of traffic on the site no um this design initially you know I mean came into place after working with the city uh traffic team city planners and everyone else and with their guidance we made this plan work for us uh our architect is over here and he can answer that questions if it's doable I think we can do it yes okay well yeah if if we need to speak with him too yes um but because I I think if you know commissioner Alexander and myself both both are very concerned about the flow and you know would like to explore a better you know some other options if uh if possible and I think it comes down uh

to safety for me you've got cars barreling down on Main Street major throwaway they're coming down from Ontario southbound and then they're approaching this Magnolia intersection and then you're having this Lane one of the lanes that are backlogged waiting to come into come into the property so I would really look forward to your architect's discussion okay thank you if I can ask the applicant how does it work with respect to operation do you have somebody that is there at all times to let people in or do your um attendees have access into the building how does access to the building work because it's not open all the time so how will people get in do you have someone stationed there the whole time or how does that work no there is uh no one station there the attendees attendees actually will have a card or something to actually have access to the building also what happens is on days when there's a larger congregation accepted you have volunteers who will go there a couple hours ahead of time open up the building make sure the HVAC system is up and running everything is good to go uh you know they have uh drinks available everything else you know for folks to have food if they need to have it and stuff like that so you know you have people who will go in a few hours before the program starts that's what we do in Chona mall I mean uh there is going to be an event at 7:15 today it's the month of ramazan they're going to open the fast so we probably have volunteers there who out there at 5:00 to open up the place and make sure it's ready for everyone can I ask how big is the space that you have at the chrona mall it's 2,500 uh 2600 foot yeah we have two Suites totaling 2600t so it's great that you're able to transition over to 4,300 to uh uh take on a larger uh Community as you're growing I I understand that um

at the where you are now you have the capacity to have all those cars show up because the parking lot's so large and no one's over there and no one is there in the no one there you guys so you have the place to yourself yes um yeah I'll wait for the architect okay thank you everyone oh any question go ahead no no no I I was just gonna say thank you and call up the next person so thank you thank you so much you um if we could hear from Fernando and marela Gomez and then right behind them Romero Gonzalez and Fernando is my husband I live on 165 naners way which is right in front of that emergency gate and I run a daycare from my home my license provider and I have it 24 hours a day and I have a traffic flow myself you know with my clients so My worry is the Overflow of traffic right now we struggle with the the high school the high school kids that they come in and they Park and they at pickup time and drop off time you know there's like so much congestion already this is I'm worried this is going to add a lot more congestion and then we won't have anywhere to park ourselves we have have um little permits that we're supposed to have on our cars you know at certain times but those times they're not relevant to what we need now they need to be adjusted um I don't know we're just worried about the parking I I think that I was also because I drove your neighborhood and uh I didn't go knock on doors this time but I usually do uh but once I read the

staff report and I saw that the gate at naners is only emergency it's a nox boox so no one but Public Safety is going to get through there so for someone to park in your neighborhood and to have get access to the building they have to go a long long way um so I didn't I kind of discounted it uh if not to be rude but I it it wasn't a concern any longer because it's going to be locked all the time and those Gates there's that's very common in the city uh to have an emergency exit it uh another way for them to come in and come out but that's very rare yeah we get the high school kids parking you know illegally and doing all kinds of stuff and there's a lot of flow the kids you know are walking around and it it's just walking around two houses to go to the the mosque it's not that and when there's no more parking there and it's so congested the next you know they're going to park in the neighborhood and it's just going to be so hectic um could I ask you about your permits your streets there are permitted yeah there's a sign that says to park between this and this time so the residents have the priority as far as parking on and then we have to pay for the permits it would be nice if we could get the permits you know given to us since we live there well you know what it is it's a matter of your neighbors coming together and agreeing they all have to agree to it okay and then so uh you're getting a special condition you're getting um priority parking uh for the reasons that you already outlined so um I I don't know that any other permitted area is waved they're all paying for that especially around the schools U for example centennials the same way the residentials just south of the school it's all permitted sorry I took up your

time sorry chair all right if you had any further comments to make just go ahead I unlocked you yeah I don't want to P you off go ahead I mean it would be nice if they could change it the time on the permit and um well that's a isn't that a matter to work with traffic or is it is it your department Joanne it's a she uh I would probably call uh Traffic Division call the PD and I think it's option five and ask for the traffic ad so when it gets congested and there's like too many cars what do we just call the police to have them come ticket well it's a it's a permitted neighborhood so they have a right to site anyone who doesn't have a permit because the signs are making notification that your neighborhood is permitted only so it's not calling the police it's calling the Traffic Division it's calling their parking they'll they'll figure out who they're going to call to respond okay that's it thank you thank you so much um romiro Gonzalez good evening everybody my name is rero I live on ners way um same thing my neighbors uh we are living right in front of the location where the exits the emerging exits can be at um thank you for addressing the fact that it's can be locked at all times um my question would be if there is Overflow of traffic and there's a panic because the vehicles are not getting out quick enough or they can open that gate and start allowing vehicles to exit it's only open by a nox box police and fire have the keys okay so they're the only ones that have a key and then my other question is due to the parking um is there going to be um lighting put into that parking lot where it's going to affect the residents in that area I

think earlier it was addressed that the lighting has to have the hoods on them so they Shine Down okay they shine which is no different than the uh church right across next door to the other Picasso Street they also have hoods so that it doesn't become a visual pollutant for your homes okay um I know the noise level was addressed um I know there's not going to be speakers out there if there is activities are we going to get notified about those activities um so we're aties if if the church is going to have uh an activity of 70 80 90 people um you know there's going to be loud noise Etc I don't think they're required no other church is required to notify the area residents I don't know why this would be an exception to that but Joan is no no okay um and another thing is in case there is an overflow parking in our neighborhood I think you addressed it with calling the Traffic Division absolutely call dispatch and um if it's after hours call dispatch and they'll get someone out there yeah my biggest thing is as long as they are you know keeping in mind the neighborhood the peacefulness of the neighbor neighborhood at this point you know we don't need all that flow of traffic into the neighborhood um that's my biggest thing sounded like the gentleman who spoke uh they're very aware of the neighborhood they're uh part of the neighborhood they want to be good neighbors um uh that would be on them to have that relationship with the neighbors all right that will say it for my part thank you so much thank you um next Melissa arola and then following Melissa will be Leon matsuki go ahead we also live on nner way and um

what I was going to say is pretty much covered by other neighbors um the only thing we're concerned about is um the noise and um um just the exra Overflow if um we get um is it okay if I speak she seems like she's a little nervous yeah what was your name um I'm Jesse arola Jesse okay arola I live at 24 11 ners way uh so now if you go to the MOs on Santana way like around noon 3:00 it's is you can't even get through that street okay they they park in that mosque they park at the park they Park in a dirt lot so what's that from stopping parking around my home four or five times a day that's my main concern you know like I know you're saying it's you have to walk around but it's not a far walk to walk from our street to where that mosque is being proposed at and it it already seems like it has issues with the parking so why not pick up a better location down further down south on on Main and Chase that location is Big there's there's already industrial there's medical facilities right next door it's nowhere really near a neighborhood that's you know you know when it's uh 4th of July the when there's events at the park that street just turns in the pandemonium which I get it's a national holiday but now we're talking daily not once a year twice a year daily so you know so what happens when I know it's all proposed but if it does happen which it is going to happen because it always does happen what is there to be done then you understand what I'm saying yep yeah you know we're trying to be neighborly but you know if you drive down that Santana way in the afternoon you can't even get through that it just people are walking across the street they stop in

the middle of the street you know you're there waiting for them to get by so obviously you don't run nobody over which I get it but you know now this is in the neighborhood neighborhood so that's my only concern and uh everybody else spoke so basically the same thing uh thank you for your time no thank you so much next to speak um Leon matsuki my name is leam matsuki I live on 2488 Picasso Circle um pretty new Resident but um I've never lived near a mosque before and I had a couple questions regarding concerns about like the noise noise level just because I haven't lived near one before and um I'm worried so um sorry if I missing misinformed but I I heard that uh there's no speakers being used at the mosque but does that also include include a non-use of uh loudspeakers and um are doors always going to be closed all the time or are they going to be open during like events um in relation to the noise concern and I imagine you you might need the applicant to answer some of these so another question I had was um at the current location at the mall what's the I guess the most people that you have at that place at one time just for reference to see like um how loud it gets or how not how quiet it is or just to get a feel for um the current condition for for my reference uh in the staff report it was reported to us 50 to 75 people 15 7 okay thank you yeah so I just had those initial two

questions loudspeakers and then just the open doors or not and that's um all the questions I had thank you thank you um next to speak Jose Sanchez followed by the architect Wasim well um I'm a homeowner I live about two blocks away from the proposed uh site and uh you know my main concern is the traffic uh R of Montoya um it's very trafficky nowadays I mean we had the high school there and uh uh you know my wife got into a car accident right in the in Montoya and uh Maine uh due to traffic I mean she got T-Bone basically so you know it's a concern with the traffic and uh that's my main concern really obviously I don't live right next to the proposed site but you know it's a residential area and uh we you know mostly we would like to have uh um not so much traffic and I think we have a lot going on on Main as it is right now so that was my I just wanted to voice my concern as far as that goes thank you thank you my name is Bim rashed I am the architect for the project and I was going through your uh comments as well while you were addressing it I heard other people as well I mean just to clarify that it's a it's not a very big Community it's the 10% of the major

Islamic SE so this is fairly a very small community and all the traffic would be contained within the building and as as said before uh they would make sure and plus as far as the noise is concerned they'll have audio system within the building there will be nothing external on it and as far as the traffic concern I had uh I mean extensive meetings with the fire department and the best possible route we could route we could give uh has been planned for with discussion after a lot of uh discussions with the fire department and then with the blessings of the city uh planning department we came up with this only one thing we could do is when we enter uh we can go also straight that would uh take care of uh uh possibly any congestion while we while we make a turn we can go one way straight uh to the west side of the property and make a turn and that would uh take care of the congestion within the uh uh project I think I might need that articulated again so you're saying sorry um commissioner Woody and I I uh were thinking that it makes sense to have the straight yeah we can but and the left turn option it will be just one way it will be only going entering and exit would be still on the same exit we had already proposed when you heard the drop the slope that has that we'll take I mean we have we'll have to take care of it we have to have a app there to connect it Mr I'm going to have them put that site plan site plan back up if that's okay it sounds I'd like to say it sounds like this was a part of your original

proposal to the staff we were we were thinking of it but then see there was lot of discussions with the fire department and they wanted their uh make ensure that their fire trck can go uninterrupted so and again uh this is the existing house we cannot move it so whatever we came up uh if what you see right now is the best possible we can do within the limits of without I mean we couldn't move the existing existing house so we uh so this is the best possible solution uh we have given you so when if you see when you're entering from the east of the property from uh Maine you can go straight and then turn left that that could be arranged that could be designed but uh I would suggest if you can put that in the conditions of approval we'll take care of it okay so just just so staff has clarification um staff mentioned there was a grade differential there there's a grade it has to be done it has to be regraded okay so and and given that um the entrance off of Main Street there is only one way is there a way to design it that if you go straight we're only going to be allowing cars to turn left we certainly don't want cars coming in on that west side and then going east trying to get out on that that driveway on Main Street we want to keep everybody using the exit on the south side yeah okay I mean there will be signage and they as I said at the when they have a larger Gathering they have volunteers will be directing the traffic and and the gate has been I mean off hours only the the gate they can exit would be the exit gate there's no other way they can exit so I I guess I have a question maybe more for staff than about the

driveways um because I I think I I I think it's great I I love hearing that we can have the um you know the straight entrance um Drive connect to the the west of the property to the to the parking over there I think that's a big a big help I also think though if we could have the South um driveway also be an entrance so that would be both entrance and exit you won't be able to do that though because the um median is a raised median no I mean it would still be right turn only on the exit but people could also enter so they would have two driveways they could enter the mosque parking lot at instead of all the cars coming in the one driveway so some could go to the South or to the south side of the property and enter there others could enter on the north side of the property that's what I'm saying so for for a two-way uh driveway how much wider does that have to be minimum 25 ft and I think we'll we it impact the parking count well right I mean you you'd probably lose the one spot on the far you know of the the far south of the angled parking but but we are overp parked by one spot too according to the the staff report so I'm just wondering if is that you know possible to make that a a two-way and both an in and an out I that's my question for staff Maria Chris I don't know is that driveway apron from Main Street wide enough to accommodate a commercial standard I mean or it could be you know

widened the driveway the southern I guess yeah Southern driveway that currently is designed at 20t wide and it needs to be at minimum 24t wide in order for it to accommodate um two-way traffic so it it would need to be widened a bit but it could be done actually uh it it will be difficult if if you need to stack cars I think it won't have the width of three cars uh I mean they I mean we have to really uh go back to the drafting board and look into it because I think it'll it'll create because it's again it's next to the entrance to the church with with this landscape of you just on the south of the property you see the land that landscape that's a church property so I mean we I mean we'll be restricted with in many ways well I would I would be reluctant to lose the parking spot I I personally don't think you have enough parking I think from your description in your applicants letter and the write up from the staff report a growing Community I don't believe 68 will hold you is is the slow enough growth that you project uh if there's if there's even a 10% growth rate and uh it's um the number the way that uh the letter was written up with the statistics and the percent is of uh the age of the drivers you know those who are 12 to 17 are going to be permitted and it'll be driving so that's more cars more potential drivers means more potential cars and I'm not sure uh that the

parking uh would fit uh I agree with the gentleman I've been over to the Santana and they do have permission to park over on the park um they know that they're I went and spoke to two of the gentlemen over there just at random and they're definitely overc capacity they're growing at a rate they can't keep up with they have 250 parking spots and they're on side streets you don't have the capacity unless you have an agreement with the church next door um uh to utilize their parking uh I would I would be against losing any parking spots um that's exactly I I was I'm thinking because by losing that parking and we I mean it won't uh help us help us but just connecting it straight uh to the west of the property might U ease the things and uh as far as the Santana MOS is concerned again those are the mainstream Muslim act they have they're about uh 90% of the Muslim population so this is a very small community I I understand that but for them I don't know that for you even for your 10% I don't know that I mean in the report it talks about that's why you're moving out of the 2500 square foot right you're moving to 4,300 for a reason um and then projecting out uh when you outgrow this site I think it'll be sooner than you think as you have 12 and 17 year olds uh for driving which means more cars but if you look at their percentage is very small mostly you'll find senior adults I I appreciate the explanation I really do um uh and if this was if this was off the beaten path I probably

wouldn't be as concerned but Main Street is very busy Magnolia is very busy um yeah I still have concerns and yeah I mean I think the fact that it is on Main Street is why I I'm feel pretty strongly that having two entrances you know that the South one be two-way both enter and exit yeah but you'd lose that parking spot and I'm not sure do you have any additional questions for him no thank you so much um I have additional speaker cards for add from additional applicants and I want to be respectful if you have something that you want to add um so I'm going to say your names or do my absolute very best to do that um H Kaku please correct me if I didn't do a good job um followed by tahara Kaku okay perfect so it'll be followed by S SED RZA rzu okay how do I do on the on the one of these days we'll we'll get to know each other my name is hen Kaku I've been in this country for 50 years and in that time frame we have developed approximately 12 mosques all over Southern California and uh our community is a definitely a growing community and we are so thankful to the city of Corona for considering Us in this location uh there all all these folks here ready to talk but we've decided that with your Insight and and your and your understanding we don't need to all come up here so I'll be the last speaker to speak on behalf of the community then I'll let my partner come conclud it but to say a couple of things and is we thank you for considering us you're going to you're going to have some

amazing neighbors here and to all all of our neighbors that are going to be sitting there please feel free to come to us talk to us if you have any questions you'll have an 800 not 800 but you'll have a local number to call us you don't have to call parking call us and we will scare everybody off your streets okay so uh just just be assured that we are here as good neighbors there's no partying there's no drinking there's no music none of that stuff happens at our church at our mosque and so this is going to be another symbiotic relationship that you will find to be very very peaceful we're looking forward to working with the church looking forward to working with the citizens here and to grow each other and understand each other with that I invite uh I invite uh the the leader of our community to speak up is that okay thank you in conclusion I think it was a very good discussion are there any further questions at this point I have a question for you yes um what if do you have an overflow parking plan our overflow Park we have been meaning to because we've owned this property for a few years now and we've been meaning to go and talk to our neighbors next door our church that has always been part of our plan but we didn't want to go and start having a dialogue with them while this conditional use per permit process was still in place so our plan was the moment it would get approved the first thing we would do is invite them for dinner or something so we can actually have a good chat because I mean that uh the our neighbors next door to the church uh it's huge but I hardly ever see any congregation over there and they have a huge parking lot so maybe they'll be able to work with us and that was the plan it's from a safety perspective

actually it's going to be really self safe also for them and for all the neighbors behind us because one of the things we have noticed properties that are on Main uh on a main terap especially like a street like main stream they're more open to Vandal vandalism uh you know folks who want to Squad were there for a few days here and there our property has been broken into probably six seven times in the last 3 years this subject property because it's on the Main Street it has easy access if we are going to be there and if we and you know based on the program we're not going to be that many people going in and out but there'll be constantly someone going in and out which means it actually makes I believe the community everyone else it makes it safer there'll be cameras on the property there'll be everything there so the fact that we will actually be going in and out of the property on a regular basis it makes I believe the entire Community a safer place I would want to thank you um I appreciate you bringing that up I also drove the church uh and went online and tried to call the office and when you look at their website their uh sub committees and their times of uh Bible study uh it's minimal and it's actually um uh compared to the size maybe it's a a decreasing Community where maybe at one point it was thriving I'm not sure um but it's not used very much so that was my first thought is uh I would be comfortable if you were to come up with an agreement a letter between you and them saying these are our times this is our peak times uh and I I just don't think that they Bible study times conflicted with your peak times so I think that would be uh I would feel I'd feel much more

comfortable if you had that plan B uh established and set up um I would feel like I'd like to see what the uh architech would look like w with that grade and going to the back uh signage uh I would feel comfortable with uh condition of approval of uh no audible uh outside your speakers um uh as far as um as far as that goes I'm not uh I'm not comfortable with having a two-way exit and entrance on the south side only because that would lose a parking spot and I I believe you'll need in your in your 10 days of your holiday your special events you may get uh more coming from uh outside as your as your community grows so those are my thoughts and uh I don't don't know how my colleagues feel uh but I maybe would like to continue it until we can have thatou with the church uh look at what the architecture for the drive straight with signage um and look for the um I think that was all I had yeah if I could if I could ask the question here um so the peak times that you are expecting you know I I I assume are the peak times at your current location which would be what Friday Friday evening afternoon Friday afternoon currently it's about 40 to 50 people mhm it's between uh depending again daylight savings time or not but let's make it between 12:00 to 2:30 in the afternoon mhm people will come in and leave the premises during that time on Friday most of our events are otherwise in the evening which are usually around 8:00 in the evening mhm so and what what type of events are those they're again speeches

basically I mean General speeches a speaker is going to come in they're going to speak and you know you you're more than welcome to join us on a Thursday uh at Corona mall uh sometimes it's a English speaker sometimes there are speakers in different languages so just general speech and then so then you said that would be one of your peak times and then did I read correctly Sunday is also a time you expect to be a peak you know eventually if we decide to go towards a plan of maybe having a Sunday school yes right now there's nothing going on on Sunday so at your current location current location there's nothing going on on Sunday unless there's a special event someone might decide to actually have a prayer service so they'll come at come to us and say you know what can we have a prayer service we'll have 30 40 people we're like okay fine but even on uh Sunday the parking lot next door is not full at all the I I it's my understanding that the Adventists have their main uh worship services on Saturdays um so it seems like that would be a good potential overflow Arrangement if they were to do that um okay I have no more questions for the applicant as I mentioned uh this has been on my plan from day one to go and approach that church but I didn't want to approach them 3 years ago and then forgetting about us so that's going to be the first thing starting tomorrow morning I'll work on it I know that commissioner Vernon had a question as well didn't you yeah I did have a question um the majority of your pop your um congregation would you say that there are seniors there are uh the POS there is the possibility for you to have your own um Transit you know service where you're picking up some of the local residents so that that reduces the number of parking if it grows to that point I believe it can be done most of the folks I would say who would be considered

seniors would be like me you know someone around you I mean so I would say about 60 to 70 percentile are probably going to be my age group yeah uh one more thing U I do remember speaker so loud speakers there will be no loudspeakers outside the building of course inside the building it'll be speakers just like this but nothing will be there outside intercoms inside is it intercoms inside there is no need for intercoms inside I thought you there was a call to prayer would be announced yeah so is this considered intercom what I'm speaking on right now yeah so it would be just intercom yes okay yeah there was one other question that a resident had and just so that they have that answer was are the doors closed during prayers the doors are closed during prayers yes the doors are closed while I had you I thought I would just ask that question even from a security standpoint I mean you know we would like to I mean in the last four or five years I mean uh places of worship and you know their safety has been a huge concern it's been on the news all the time and you know uh we actually even approached Cal OES and you know we have been in talks with them and they are ready to make sure that you know I mean this place of worship is safe just like you know they want every other place of worship to be safe so just from a safety standpoint it makes sense to actually have the doors Clos closed thank you any other questions for the applicant okay if I can chair I want to make a couple of clarifying comments um that came up from the public um because they don't know this first and foremost um our Municipal Code does have a sighting criteria when it comes to religious institutions and it clearly says you cannot have any type of access off of a local Street or even a street where there is going to be houses fronting on that property so most of it that's why

you see all our churches that are on collectors or arterials where you don't have houses that actually interface with the church that is the same situation here so with respect to nanner way their patrons cannot park on nanner way so that is not allowed they have to take all of their access off of Main Street nanners is not an option not even for for parking so we can always add a condition given that it's such a small congregation that they remind their patrons that they are not to use naners a away for any kind of overflow parking so I just want to make that absolutely clear that they do meet our sighting criteria which is why all of our churches are along major arterials uh second of all with respect to noise we have a many congregations that use an audio system like this because you have such a large audience and it's all contained inside the building this will be no different than that um what you see happen at Crossroads you never hear anything outside the building you're not going to hear anything here the same with the current Islamic Society so I want to make that very clear as possible with respect to the Islamic Society of Corona Norco that is a much larger congregation it is the first mosque in the city of Corona it is a place where these patrons go because they do not have other facilities they are currently trying to build a second facility to dissipate that population and get more organizations out there so not everybody is convening all on that same space they recognized early on that they had a parking problem they came to the city and they got the agreement with the city to park at Santana Park in this situation this applicant is meeting the letter of the law with respect to the assembly and the parking so I just want to cautioning you on that we cannot tie them to come up with parking off site when they meet the letter of the law that they are able to meet the parking on site which they are they can have

that discussion but I want us to be very cautious about that they are parking it at their assembly ratio I think if their need comes that they need the parking I think that's a discussion that they are going to have to have what I'm hearing now that that is not necessarily the case right now but it may be the case a couple years down the road so I need this commission to think of that because I certainly don't want us to be putting in a situation where they are tied to somebody else's property to make this project worked when we're telling you that it is working based on what they're proposing tonight um with respect to the access it is a fixed location there's nothing you can do the building is right there you have to come in and you have to make the left there's no other way to do it I think it's a good compromise that they're willing to allow us to go straight and have a left in so we can circulate that out and I think what the architect was trying to explain on the south driveway was that when you redesign the driveway opening the flares change and because the flare on the southin would affect the church site they would have to go on their property and redesign that apron you just can't push it all to the north so I think he was talking from a design perspective that's where it was getting complicated in terms of the flare on the right of way so I just wanted to make those points I appreciate that I think that was really helpful I think that was really helpful and we we have tied you into someone else's property and that's unfair I do believe that um you've more than met the requirements according to staff that I would I would approve it I would go for it thank you so much appreciate you um the public hearing is now closed so you can absolutely take your seat uh okay I guess commissioner Vernon Alexander commissioner Longville and Miss Keta uh thank you so much for your time I wasn't honestly expecting this to go on for that long and you guys are here at 7:30 at night so appreciate that have a good

day so any questions comments yeah so my comment you know like I said I I I really do I am happy that we can uh change that um driveway drive lane on the north of the building to take uh traffic to the to the west parking I think that will help um I still do feel that the South driveway would would all would be a big Improvement to be uh both in and out so that 40 50 60 cars don't all have to use one entrance um to a lot um even if it does lose one spot I'm not concerned about that because you know the current size of the of the congregation 50 to 75 people um are showing up at the peak times and and so you know at least some of those are multiple people per vehicle U maybe maybe quite a few of them are multiple um attendees per vehicle so you know that's why I suggested that I would be comfortable with the 67 spots and not just the 68 and if if the um if the facility if the congregation were to grow over the next few years um and they do want to need they do need more parking they do for for overflow parking you know strike an agreement with the the church next door that would be great um but you know I'm comfortable with um you know the amount of parking that is in the plan um and and even one less for if that could accommodate you know the the flare on that driveway moving to the north to where onto the the the site that is owned by the applicant um to to make that so that there are you know half the cars can enter in one one driveway half can enter in the other and and make it less likely that cars are

backing up on Main Street um so that's that's where I'm at with that so that driveway would be a future condition though that would not be for this project that would be if they needed additional no I I'm saying for this project for the 67 or 68 spots we have now I I still feel that you know forcing 60 cars 68 cars to use only the north um driveway uh and is you know when there everybody's trying to arrive for prayers at the same time or or you know then then that's potentially going to you know cause the backup and if if we had two driveways where half could use one and half could use the other I think that's a better situation for the traffic on Main Street I I think commissioner Alexander disagrees with me but that's that's fine that's my point and she has point of you I think the struggle that I'm having is that it was explained that making that a two-way drive encroaches on the neighbor and that's the struggle I don't think it does though I think you can extend the flare of the driveway to the north North and not change not affect the the neighbor to the South just from looking at you know aerial photos of of the the layout I I appreciate that perspective however uh I'd like to stick to the 68 I'm okay with that uh I think my main concerns have been addressed that there like every other business on Main Street from Citron to Ontario have uh options uh to draw traffic away from Main Street uh and with the uh drive going straight out or turning left that'll alleviate uh my concerns um I'm

thinking of the churches that I'm familiar with and there's more than one way to get in but there are single Lanes so um I'm okay with just leaving it uh if they could work with staff to get the drive going straight through [Music] um and with signage of one way and with condition of approval of no loudspeakers uh we can't condition uh with the church but uh it seems like they're uh open to having that discussion on their own down the road if it's needed I gu guess my question would be Miss Keta is if uh what's the trigger what's the mechanism uh what's the threshold for 68 spaces not being enough uh 5 years from now 8 years 10 years from now what's the what's the trigger uh options to uh for the condition of approval well I think it's going to be up to the congregation to really decide that because based on their location unlike the Islamic Society there are options is to where they can park offsite you don't have options on Main Street I mean it's either they're they're not they're not going to be able to attend um if they find someplace they're probably going to be walking quite a distance I would recommend that we make sure we have the condition that they notify uh their attendees that um there is no parking on Nan's way and I think they can manage that given how small they are but I think it's going to be an issue of you may have people show up and may not be able to park and cannot be there for prayer that that that time they are going to have to be the ones to be The

Driver of that okay so as far as the cup um I mean cups are I mean it's conditional as far as compliance so uh they could be brought to task if they are somehow uh overflowing or or uh whatever that looks like uh they could be brought forward for administration consult consult oh absolutely if we're notifight of anything or something doesn't look what right we will definitely make contact with them and and look at that but there would be no trigger because the guideline is based on the meeting space that's cor so unless they just wanted to add more meeting space you know more prayer space you know than than than there would be no nothing to trigger that that's correct and you have to remember their prayer times because they have so many options well five options throughout the day it's just done differently than what you're normally see like on evenings and then for example Crossroads has five services on Sunday I mean it it's a huge facility and they too park on the street because they cannot park everybody but it works it's a limited time time so I think here because it's spread out they give their people the option of when they probably want to go and there's people that probably have a habit of going at a certain time and others have a habit of going at a different time and I don't think it's the regular the regular schedule that U my concerns are my my concerns are the special occasions um and for other churches they all deal with this overflow of attendees uh but this spot being so unique there is is no possible overflow on side streets especially with those being permitted and if they're being advised to promote that that hey

these streets are permitted only and your vehicle is subject to citation whatever that looks like um I think if they have a special event that draws a large crowd it's going to force them to go to their neighbor and say can they possibly use that parking on that specific day and I'm okay with that I the potent that that's their only option and uh and it's available and it's a smaller activity church so uh that's a good thing I have no other comments chair do we have a motion uh yes I motion that the planning and Housing Commission find the project categorically exempt from the California Environmental Quality act squa pursuant to sqa guidelines section 15301 and adopt the resolution number 2661 granting cup 2023 D 0015 based on the findings contained in the staff report and conditions of approval were you war with the three additional conditions and could we repeat those please yeah the three additional conditions that I have if you don't mind are patrons must be notified that they cannot park on Nan's way um or any of the streets okay not just anners any residential street mhm okay um work with staff to redesign the entrance to go straight and connect with the rear parking and no exterior speakers yes you can add those okay is there a second all second a motion was made by commissioner Vernon and second Ed my commissioner

Alexander motion's passed written Communications has planning and Housing Commission secretary received any written Communications from persons providing information or seeking action by the planning and Housing Commission no chair uh report from Mrs CLA anything no reports do any members of the Planning Commission have any matters to discuss okay um there's future agenda items are to be determined and the next meeting of the planning and Housing Commission is March 24th 2025 this meeting is adjourned thank you everyone for coming out appreciate it e