City Plan Commission and/or Board of Zoning Appeals - Regular Meeting

You're probably already doing that stuff anyway.

Yeah, yeah.

I think I understand what you're talking about, but you're probably already doing some stuff.

I thought I had it, and then I was looking back. I can't find it. I don't know what the email partner asked about it, but I mean, it's going to be mentioning it, so it's fine with me.

Thank you.

Well, room city board is ordering July 16th, 2026 at 7 to 1 p.m. Kelly Morris.

Tom Clifton. Garrett Gurney.

Christine Coe. Mark Tappman. I have a quorum. Kelly Morris. Tom Clifton. I make a motion.

We waive the reading in a minute.

Christine Coe. Mark Tappman. I have a quorum. And I have some of this stuff, but I don't know where you wanted to start. Okay.

I have some of this stuff, but I don't know where you wanted to start.

Okay, I'll have to go back out.

We were here.

Yeah.

But still having the park, some of the trailers and stuff that we have outside, we don't like it. We don't like it. We just kind of like the little car. So some of them, I still haven't changed all of these. I'd like to. Actually, we had a buyer that was a pretty unique buyer for a pre-built ship. We sold it without much of a government. Long story short, I'm a warrior. Yeah, that's true. So this is in . It's . I think we have been requested from each state. So I think that's your west side. No, east side. East side.

I guess our clue would have been the drive there.

YOUR MAIN ENTRANCE IS GOING TO BE RIGHT OFF OF EAST GATE.

So this is just showing their survey and the location of the old and the new.

Well, 10 foot, I think, is showing where the shed was.

So that yellow is showing the setback area.

The 10 is the setback where the shed was supposed to be, you know, when you asked for the variances. And then I think it was 16 foot wide, right? I don't really, I think... Yeah. I'm not sure what the 15 was for, but I must have wrote it on there for a reason. But I don't remember for the life of me why now. Oh, I think that's the other side's 15.

So 10...

on well that's north and then 15 on the south side which it's pushed back further but that was the original variance so i was trying to show the difference so you don't need everything you asked for on the original variance because you changed everything and to the better

You can probably go there because the sewer line runs along the front. I'm like, yeah.

So, I mean, you could take it to the edge because there wouldn't be, you know, maybe, maybe there's fiber there. I don't know. Not concerned about fiber. They've destroyed enough of my stuff. You know, destroy theirs. I'm all right. Yeah. Okay.

There's three adjoining owners, so Holworth and Antlers returned with no comments. I didn't hear anything back from Patterson, so.

Well, if he lives at 1060 Eastgate Drive, that's where I sent it. Well, then that's why I didn't get it. But he knows about it. Okay. Well, that's good.

Well, you know, I do make errors every now and then.

Seems to be a lot. Bless you, Monson.

All worth okay.

I think it'll look probably better than what the existing shed did. It'll match the house and it'll have a porch that you'll see from the lake. I make motion we have a variance 2026-22.

I tried to take my arms out of it. Thank you.

I'll have copies of those when I'm going to get your phone number.

Okay. All right.

Thank you. There's a lot of paper. All right, super fast, brother. Yeah, then it's going to get done. 2026. Okay. They're not the only one.

So we're looking to, on the back side here, this is before, this is how it looks like right now. And this is what we're on the side here. I'm sorry, it's sideways. Yeah, it's sideways. Turn the pad, everybody. Okay. Our basic side of it right now is going to be unfinished. It'll be more.

I'm sorry. Utilities. Sure.

I don't know about everybody. So it's probably not finished. What I can do is I'm going to start with you, which would be, this would be a story here. And this would be a second story. I call it like a story tab. It's not. Yeah. I mean, yeah. Start with you. What's the name of it? Some of the variances would be providing a covered deck on a topic that would be treated with. this right here right inside people tear it off every day um like a cardboard on the back you can tear that off go ahead and make a new store coming into the inside It's kind of a. um it will take down there's a barn and sense here and the big tree and it will take out that's uh we just want to get rid of it and um so we're like here we go we've got an exhaust we'll do this in a better way

Oh, well, hey, I got help upside down. That's right.

Try and keep you on your toes, everybody. Jeez.

That's better for water drainage. Oh, look, I got another one upside down, too.

Here we go.

Well, you know, I got to be consistent.

One of the other things that was brought up is from my neighbors. So the land that goes across this, we would have basically fabric all the way around.

Not the, I think he was concerned about the lattice, all of the lattice. He didn't want to see lattice again.

Where are you going to live while you're doing this?

We're actually in an apartment right now.

You're tearing this down. You got to have someplace.

Yeah, we're all good. There'll be no lattice. And this will be all open here. This is basically of course that we covered up here on top right here and this is that walkway i was talking about and then this would just go on in the stone are you putting a little cover over the door thought about it we've been thinking about it we don't know i would rather not do it Yeah. Well, I will be. I might be important. Yeah, yeah. If there's something, it'd be like a... A little peak thing? Yeah. The same peak? Yeah, it could. So this is the other side. Yeah, so... This is the shed I was talking about. This is the picture. So we're removing the tree. This will be all stoned in, and then it'll be opened back to that grinding area. So if they ever had to work on it, it's very bad.

The other thing, you know, I know it could happen.

I'm not very sure. How long have you owned this house? About a year. And it's been sitting there. Uh-huh.

Well, Dana, and just explaining all of the directions.

Is the covered porch or covered deck, is that a screened porch? No. Oh, just open. Okay.

The only thing that's different is this never had that hard work. So this was, you know, the season. That's right now. Yeah. We're pretty close in line.

So that problem in the Grange County where people close them in and all of a sudden becomes a house and then they ask for a deck on the evolution.

I'm like, yeah, well, we're just turn them in and close that part of the house.

Oh, that's just the survey and all my doodles.

Street guard setback of 25 feet. You went down to 22 feet.

Point out which section that was again, would you?

Yeah, it's staying the same as existing, basically.

Yeah.

Except they're that little rectangle, whatever that is. Four foot.

Yeah.

I can't read that.

Yeah, so I think that's six by 23.7 is what that little rectangle is.

accessory structure the deck 8 foot down to 5 foot on the south side but the 25 foot down to 11 for the deck but yeah and that's basically the same as what is existing except yeah it's a different shape yeah

The deck is going to be open.

I WOULD LIKE TO SAY YOU PUT A STIPULATION YOU CANNOT ENCLOSE IT SO THAT IN THE FUTURE IT CANNOT BE CLAIMED AS A ROOM.

We've been on here for some time now.

So what happens, sir? Oh, yeah.

They close it in, then they want it back.

It's a cover deck, and then it becomes screened in three seasons, and then it becomes part of the house.

You're not going to.

I've been on this board since we got incorporated.

Why is the deck turning in three seasons? Yeah.

But you would agree to a stipulation being on there?

Yeah.

Okay. Thank you.

Well, as far as the walkway, I see that there's railways. So is there going to be a line with that?

Show me that picture, Kelly.

So you won't put those back on as much.

She's asking, they're going to go out towards the lake on that side.

But there's going to be... Oh no, that's the side you're putting your deck on. So you'll have...

Yeah, so it'll, so on the front, there won't be, there'll only be steps on. I get that, but I just want to know.

Five feet.

It's that snake foot setback, and then he's asking for three foot boardwalk.

So see the survey is at 8. It goes out.

So the air conditioner lights on this material is going to make sure that you can put that on the other side.

Where are all your lake toys going to be?

Yeah, I don't think I, yeah, back here.

Yeah, where that telephone pole is, it's across the road. Yeah. Yeah.

Other than the handout we have for the one.

Yeah, Mr. Boyle. I think you pretty much answered those questions. He was concerned about the carport stain. And then the lattice, I think, is what he was trying to nicely state. He didn't want that back.

Yeah.

So I sent to both parties and they both returned. Larson didn't have any comments.

So they can allow variance play 26 stage 23 with the stipulation that the open porch cannot be enclosed.

All right.

Very good presentation.

Thank you. Thank you.

Nice meeting.

We got anything else? You have any update on Weisenberger?

We got to get the record finished. I was going to let you know. I know your business.

I'm still one minute behind, and now I'll be two, and then Monday I'll be three minutes behind.

How is your husband doing?

Better, except like your husband, grumpy. Oh.

The weather's got to change.

Yeah.

That's how many we currently have. That I know of. That we've allowed or that have just... That have been grandfathered or allowed. Now, there is one on there that... I think I, I don't know if I asked you or if I asked Bill, second page number 13. So these people bought this place on contract and it appears to me they're still using it as an Airbnb, which I consider that to be a sale. And they should have had to come back in and ask for it. Not just be, right. But see, a contract is still under contract.

what's on contract they haven't overpaid for it yet well no you don't do it either but you're still the only one it's true yeah same thing do we ever make them like do what like on the approval like this owner only or is there something it's only it's it's like everything else it only applies for that person and he was grandfathered so he never came in and asked

Special exception is only for the person who is owning the property at the time. And he never got approval. He was grandfathered. So these people would not be grandfathered. So should I send him a letter and tell him to cease and desist and get in here? Because there's already one right down there. Buy it.

When we approve these, we say it's only for this owner.

Yeah, so he's never gotten approval himself.

We have been trying to get a hold of them. We have sent them letters. They don't respond.

So, I mean. We don't respond. Yeah, you said.

They don't live there. They live in Arizona.

Wow.

Not having somebody drive there. I'm not going to spend a bunch of damn money on it.

A lot less than California. I know that's like a thousand bucks for a process server in California. I used to do it for like 75 bucks, a hundred bucks. I haven't had to use one of them.

I get it. Now what I'm finding is people with these ring cameras don't answer. They just want to charge us against you. One guy says, oh, I didn't say no.

I said, go.

the door.

You can't do posting with the sheriff's department. They won't let you. call that good. Sheriff's department just posting it in the mail and it won't work.

For personal service.

Graham will never let that happen.

Personally served to that person and my processor has to write down the hair color, eye color, what color skin they are.

Why don't they just take a picture of it? It's not surprising.

And now I just got somebody to serve the no-brainer and I have a form. that is okay by my court, and we'll go through. Guess what? The judge says, I don't consider it personal. So now you're starting. But I do personal service all the time. There's a reason I don't come to the county. But, you know, I agree with him. You shouldn't be... calling people in on a body attachment if they don't necessarily know about the hair. Now, if they knew about it, they'd go, I have no problem.

Right.

All right.

We need to get off this. It's recorded.

I'm close to meeting. I'd make most of these a journal. Right.

Right. Right. Right. Right.

I'm happy to revisit it again to put more restrictions on it because in the last week we have had 10 phone calls about air