Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

Good afternoon. Welcome to the June 10th, 2025 City of Apaka Planning and Zoning Commission meeting. If you would please stand with me for a moment of silent prayer and the pledge. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. For each agenda item this evening, there will be a public comment section for each individual thing on the agenda. If you have a comment or would like to speak on that item, then if you will wait till that time, I will recognize members of the public to speak. If you have something that you would like to bring to the board that is planning and zoning related that is not on tonight's agenda, now would be the time to be recognized. Seeing none, we'll move on. All right. Item number one, legislative ordinance 3110, future land use summit at Wolf Lake, Wolf Lake Ranch, phase three. Owners David Lutz, Life Estate, Mary Lutz T, Life Estate, Rem. David Lutz and uh Michelle M. Gregory, applicant William Mackey. location north of Ponan Road, east of Ponaman Pines Road, and west of Jason Deli Parkway. Miss Sanchez. Mr. Chair, um staff would like to request the items, public hearing items one and two um are administratively pulled due to a discrepancy in advertisement. Um it will

come back before you um at the August 12th planning commission meeting. Very well. Um, do we need to do a vote on each item or just vote together? Uh, chairman, uh, really I I think staff has administratively pulled it. So on staff's end, uh, if um you all would like to take action and uh address both, you could do one by a simple uh single motion. Okay. All right. And I I do believe the uh approval of minutes needs to be addressed as well. Um, the approval of minutes is not prepared yet. Okay. So, we're going to put that off to the next meeting. Okay. Very well. All right. Can I get someone give us a motion to table items one and two? Mr. Chair, I I'll create a motion to table item one and two till August meeting. Thank you, Commissioner Dumi. Do I have a second? Second. Second, Commissioner Washington. All in favor say I. I. I. Motion carries. Very well. Let's move to item number three. Zoning variance maximum building height 2560 West Orange Blossom Trail. Owners MG88 Central Florida Cold Storage LLC. Applicant Jason Enat location 2560 West Orange Blossom Trail. Mr. Song. Good evening. This is Dr. June zone planner at the community development department. The applicant has submitted a request for a zoning variance to increase the maximum building height at the property located at 2560 West Orange Blossom Trail. The current land use of the property is industrial and zoning is light industrial. Per the land development code article 3 section 3.5.3. C the light industrial zoning district allows a maximum building height of 45

ft and the applicant is seeking a variance to allow building height of 58 ft. The developmental review committee has no objection to this request and the planning commission may choose to approve the variance approve the variance with a modification and or conditions or deny the variance. Staff and the applicant are available to answer any questions and the applicant has requested the opportunity to give a presentation. Thank you Mr. Son. Anyone have questions of staff? Commissioner Ryan. So, so what is the hardship for this variance? I would like to defer that question to the applicant to explain their hardship. Okay, hold on one second. Does anyone else have questions of staff? No, I I I don't know if this is for the staff or not. Um, but I have questions regarding traffic. Um so since this is a zoning variance uh we do we did not request for any traffic analysis um but they will come back for their um development plan right? Yeah they will come back uh for their development plan with the traffic studies. All right thank you Mr. Song. Um, the applicant available. Your name and address for the record, please, sir. Ben Henry, 2560 West Orange Blossom Trail. Good evening, board. Uh, my name is Ben Henry. I'm here on behalf of Mandage Group, MG88, uh, Central Florida. We are the proud owners and operators of Colink Logistics located on Orange Blossom Trail in Apka. This facility holds a special place in our company's history. In 2020, uh this was our first cold storage warehouse that we purchased and operated and remains our cornerstone of

our business today. We're here tonight to discuss the expansion of our warehouse and operations driven by strong customer growth and need for cold storage services in the growing area. As part of this project, we are requesting a height variance to allow the building to reach 58 feet. This added height will enable us to maximize our existing footprint and provide the space and efficiency our customers require. The expansion will add over 17,000 pallet positions, creating numerous jobs and bring economic investment into the community. In addition, the project includes infrastructure upgrades to Mayflower A and improvements to the storm water retention pond which will aid in flood management and uh for the surrounding neighbor. N uh nationally 58 feet uh top of building are becoming standard for cold storage development. Thanks to advancements in building design and safety, this variance will continue to maintain the highest construction and safety standards. I'd like to introduce several key members who are here with me this evening. Maurice Greer, our general manager at Colink Logistics, who can speak further on customer demand and operational drivers behind the expansion. Carter Eert and Andrew Vashon uh from Titman Construction are trusted partners leading the construction and development. They will address the design, safety and technical feasibility of the building at this height. And Josh Enoch from Kinley Horn, our civil engineer, who can speak to the site layout, infrastructure, and storm water management components of the project. We appreciate your time and consideration, and we look forward to continue our partnership with the city of Apakka as we invest in its future. Thank you. Thank you, sir. and we'll have questions while I know we do. Um, Commissioner Ryan, go ahead. Okay. In order to grant a a variant, we need to um discuss hardship that would justify a variance. Can you can you tell me what the hardship is or or

so Josh Eno with Kimley Horn South 200 South Orange Avenue, Orlando, Florida. So the the hardship for this site is uh essentially that we can't expand anymore um horizontally. And so that the idea is in order to to improve conditions with adding a pond on a site that currently doesn't have one and to um have this project be feasible without having to essentially we're landlocked. The only way since we can't expand going horizontally is the expansion to go vertically. So your project won't work unless you get the height adjustment. Is that correct? Correct. Commissioner M. I uh just happened to be at the development review committee the day this was discussed. Yes. And traffic did come up. I drive this area often. Um I forget who was speaking from your entity. Okay. um during that day. But um they were fairly assured that the truck traffic that comes in to deliver comes down 441, turns right or left onto Lake View Drive and then right into, you know, your property. Um I can attest to you that is not the case. Um, I have been waiting for trucks to turn right coming out of there to then go across the railroad tracks to make a right onto Bignyan to then go, you know,

past Coca-Cola and get to that light. The the concern that I have, I don't have a concern with your height request. I have a real concern right now currently with the traffic. Okay. The traffic that comes eastbound on 441 to make a right turn onto Lake View. The truck waits in that right lane until he's assured that he can make the right turn, which then takes up both lanes of Lake View. There's no that that turn radius. If if you all were to follow a turn radius requirement, you would not be able to do this in three locations. At the light at 441 and Lake View, at the four-way stop at Bignyan and Lake View, and coming out of of your your property because they're just, you know, the the length of the trailer is is too great. So, I see them waiting on 441 in traffic moving. They're waiting. Um, if if a truck happens to creep over to then make the right, they're still taking up both lanes of Lake View to make the right into the property. It's not quite as much because then they cut off and you can see where the ground has been uh clipped by the rear of the trailer. Um the trucks that came out, they had to wait until they could make a complete right turn, which stopped traffic on Lake View to then go, which is very, very close to the train tracks. And then the train tracks from there to the stoplight as you get on to make a ride on Benman. Um again, that was almost a two-lane

exit. As I was driving here tonight, knowing that this was on the agenda, I'm thinking to myself, you know, there's not a lot of train traffic, all that type of thing. I'm waiting tonight at the crossing. As I'm waiting there for traffic, the tring arms go down. And I'm like, you've got to be kidding me. And I start looking to see if there's a train. And then they went up. I don't know if there's some test that they run on on the second Tuesday of of every month at at 510 or 5:15. Um, took me 20 minutes to to to make I think six miles tonight, you know, in in that scenario. Um I I can only imagine uh and would not want to imagine any one of the drivers or delivery or entities that you are are dealing with get tripped, you know, clipped by a train, you know, in in that area. So that's my biggest concern. I understand he said that you will come back with a traffic uh study that type thing. Um where we can approve or deny or approve with conditions. Um I would have to say I would like to see conditions that are related specifically to turn radius of semitrs so that they don't have to turn into oncoming traffic to make the turn. That's my greatest concern. And and I get it. If I were a truck driver delivering to you, I would not come out of your business and make a left on Lake View to then go to the light on Lake View and 441. There'd be no way that I would go that way. I'd come out, make a right, right, right, and then get close over there, the 429. um just because

it's you know more accommodating if I would say from from a space perspective. So those are the those are the real concern. I don't have a I don't have a problem with your height. Um you get there but the height will facilitate more delivery. I get that. Totally understand that. But if if the traffic somehow is uh rectified somehow, you know, so that everybody not trying to go every direction. So that's Yes. So it sounds like the the biggest your biggest thing is is traffic. Like traffic there is already it's already pretty horrible. Um and and you you also said that you see a lot of truck traffic use Mayflower and then take a right onto Lake View. And so you're concerned a lot about the different radius or radi along Orange Blossom Trail, Mayflower, and Lake View. Correct. Yeah. And and so I think with this variance right now, all we're requesting is that height variance. So that's the first step in this process. We'll we'll be coming back through with the MDP and I believe that comes in in front of the board as well. And um we'll definitely take that into account while in our design. And we we have completed a a TIA and it does it does mention some off-site improvements that are that are needed. So when we're when we're going through that process, we'll we'll provide that to you guys as well for your review and keep in mind all these turn radi and what's and making sure that that those work for the trucks and help with mitigating traffic. Thank you. Anyone else have questions of the just a comment? Oh, hang on. Commissioner Washington, I'll defer to you, sir. All right, Commissioner Wood. Um, just one quick

question. A comment was made that part of your property is still in the county. It's not all in the city that it will be annexed in. Yes, that is correct. Let me see if I um So, I don't have So, correct. So, under on the screen under where it says swing two, there's a a small Oh, perfect. So, right here, there's there's two lots right where that red dot is, and it's probably as big as that red dot that are um that are currently single family residential. However, they are owned by by the manage group who currently is operating at the at the site. So, we're already in that annexation process and um we're we've just passed the first reading on that and then the the second reading is next is next week, June 18th. Okay. Is it a little bit premature to asking for a height variance when you don't have um all the property within the city limits? So, it's our understanding we talked about this with staff a lot um because we had we had the same concerns that that you did. They they stated that since we are owned and operating on this current property and it is zoned industrial that we can request the variance on this property and then when the other two are annexed in uh that's when we can submit for the MDP process and and but the that height variance will continue with this property. Okay. I'm a little confused here. Where are you looking to build a 57 foot

high building? uh on the on the screen it's the so the existing buildings are going to be replaced with 57 foot high buildings correct yes and then you want to expand it into the property that is currently within the county not the city uh correct on the site plan yes that's that's what that is showing okay and and This variance though is for the the property that is within the city. Not we're not asking for a variance on the properties in the county. However, when that is annexed in, the property will be combined and we'll have the the variance that um if approved that is we're requesting today. Okay. Thank you, Commissioner. Thank you, Mr. Chairman. the um you said something that made me think about something else. Thank you. So, uh are you intending to knock down your existing buildings and reconstruct up to 58 ft? No. No, we're not intending to knock down any existing industrial buildings. There are two residential buildings and those are the two that will be uh demolished and then u this building will be built adjacent to the existing industrial building and will will be that the 58 foot high that we're requesting. Okay, this is just a comment uh to the planning commission. We had a uh another applicant about a year or two ago that had an interest in that property uh running from um 441 all the way over to the railroad tracks

along Lake View Drive. I don't know if anybody remembers that, but uh are you the owner of that property? Well, do you understand what I'm saying? First of all, I'm not sure which property. Let me the Is it this property here? Looks like that. Yes, that one. So, we are not the owners of that property. You're not. Okay. All right. It It doesn't have anything to do with our discussion tonight, but we had uh when other applicant came to us, we raised concerns about traffic. The uh Lake View Road is extremely narrow, backs up all the time, and uh what you are looking to do can only make it worse. It's just a comment. has nothing to do with the decision tonight. Yes. And one of the comment Okay. Okay. All right. Very well. Does anyone else have questions? I have a question, sir. Commissioner, do me. Uh, this is more for the business partner, but did you have any estimate on the number of jobs you were planning to add with this addition? Yeah. Yes, we do. I'll turn that over to the business side. Thank you. Good evening. uh Maurice Greer um 2560 West Orange Blossom. Uh we're anticipating somewhere between 15 to 20 jobs probably uh in the range of about $21 an hour hourly folks and about twice that for a couple of uh new salary positions too. Good. Thank you. Does anyone else have questions? Okay. I'm sorry that that was additional with Okay. Okay. I I I feel I'd be remiss if I don't clarify and our city attorney that we have the variance in front of us and we're asking questions that aren't

really relevant to the the variance. I mean to say the traffic, yeah, maybe it is and isn't. The question in front of us is it's are we going to allow them to go the extra 18 feet or whatever it is. And I I think we're we're getting a little preliminary here. And and Commissioner Woods, a lot of times things run concurrently, you know, to get things done because of the the dragging bureaucracy of the city and the county. So they're applying for one thing and they're getting the variance and that puts this out of the way. And so our our question here is a single item, the variance. Do we allow them to make the building higher than what our code requires? And that's it. Simply that. That's what we're making the decision on. Nothing more. Yes, sir. Sir, and I don't know that we could put a condition on it that would be relevant to traffic as uh Commissioner Ma had suggested. I don't think that would be allowable to say you can't have a variance for height unless you make the road wide or something like that. Am I correct? That'd be more relevant during the planning or the the site plan process. Okay. Very well. All right. Thank you, sir. Thank you. All right. Does anyone from the public wish to speak on this matter? Seeing none, we'll bring it back to the board for a motion. Mr. Chairman, I'm I'm fine with creating a motion, but I want to say something first. You know, the reason I ask about the jobs is because we have to consider all the different variations. If there's going to be increased traffic with this variance, is it going to be a net benefit to the city? And I think it is with new jobs and new opportunities out. And for that reason, I'm willing to create the motion to approve this special exception. Motion by Commissioner Dooie. Thank you, sir. Do I have a second? Second. Second by Commissioner Mott. All in favor say I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries.

All right, on to site plans. Invitation Cove, major development plan, owners, A and R Meridian Apacha Development LLC. Applicant Kim Fiser. Location west of Sheieler Avenue and east of South Christina Street. Mr. Hamza. Good evening everyone. My name is Amir Hamza. I'm a planner. The applicant has submitted a major development plan for property located at 7:30 Monroe Avenue just uh east of um um South Christina Street and west of Sheieler Avenue. The major development plan is called Invitation Cove which is a proposed subdivision that consists of 43 town home units and go back. Yeah. And this is the major development plan. It includes um like as I mentioned 43 uh town home units and it's uh divided into six different uh town home buildings where each building has about between seven to eight units and then um the let's go back to the previous slides and uh these are the vicinity and aerial maps of the 730 Monroe Avenue site. The total site area is 5.67 67 acres and as you can see on the aerial the site is currently vacant. Then the future land use for the property is a mixed use and the zoning for this property is a MU-D mixeduse downtown zoning district. The development review committee re has recommended approval. The recommended motion is to recommend approval of the invitation code major development plan. Staff and applicant are available for further questions. Thank you, sir. Does anyone have questions of staff? I do. Commissioner Washington, can you rewind to the map so I can see where the

retention ponds are? Yeah. Let me just go back right here. Retention ponds on the both the west and east side in the middle. There's two of them. Track D and track E. Okay. And um if we did have a you know severe weather and if ponds overflowed where would where would the water go? Uh that's a question for the engineer to answer so I'll refer to her. Thank you. Right. Anyone else have questions? Yes. Commissioner Ryan. The traffic is coming from Monroe. Is that correct? That is correct. Yes. Okay. Are there any left turn lanes or right turn lanes? Yes, there's a proposed left turn lane from Monroe Avenue coming to the west direction toward for the property and a right turn lane. Uh yeah, and a right turn lane as well from coming from the east. Okay. Thank you. Anyone else? I got a question, Mr. Chair. Commissioner Dei, uh yeah, didn't we see something on this property before? Yes. Previously there was a plan for uh multifamily development apartments on the site but uh this is a completely different project and now uh different developers coming in and to develop uh town homes on the property. So what happened to the other one? Uh it just uh never got Yeah. Just right. Anyone else? Thank you sir. Applicant here. Do they have a presentation? Good evening. For the record, Kim Fischer, 1614 White Tuff Drive Tribe, Winter Springs. Um, I'm representing the applicant who is here. Yes, good memory. We were here for an apartment previously

and now we're going to town homes. Um, we don't have a presentation. We wanted to thank staff for their hard work and I'm here if you have any questions for the storm water. It is a dry pond for the most part. Um it'll hold a a larger than normal event and then there will be an emergency outfall that'll connect to Monroe. Thank you. So I'm here if you got any questions. Does anyone have questions of the just one? Come on. I drove a long way. So I got I got one more. Commissioner D. So when I look at this major development plan, I that that is a tree lot right now, correct? Lot of mature oak trees. You're going to tear all those trees down and basically build We've got an area that we're going to be saving. Um and right now it from an aerial it looks great, but the fact of the matter is it's a dumping site right now. The owner's been having quite an issue with I don't want to say a bad issue of code enforcement, but getting people to stop dumping there. So, he has to keep paying money to clean up the site because people keep dumping. Understand that. But there's no there's I I'm just looking at the I don't see any I don't see the area of tract E is a tree preservation. Okay. Are track, but it looks like it's a retention pond, not trees. No, that's open space and it'll be saving trees there. Track E is adjacent to 436. So that's kind of like a buffer. Oh yeah, we didn't really have to do a buffer, but maybe that's wrong term. Yeah, it's landscaping. It's It's landscaping. And tree preservation. Um I'm looking at the map. Hang on. And track. Hang on. Commissioner Woods, please. Okay. Anyone else have questions? Commissioner Wood. Yes. Thank

you. Back to the map here. I'm looking at track E. Is the U one retention pond and then down below it you also have track E. Is that one big track or is that a miss type of one or the other? No, the track for retention ponds is track D and E. Oh. Oh, I see what you're saying. Yes. the south side of E has a retention pond along the east and then along the south side is strictly open space tree preservation. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome. And I'm sorry I didn't realize they were named the same. All right. Does anyone else have questions? The applicant. Commissioner Ryan. Okay. Buildings uh one and six. Are they rear loaded town houses? All of the town homes will be rear loaded. I don't I don't know how they can do a re reloaded on six and one. U I don't see any access to it. There there's an alley behind them. I I know, but how do you access the alley? Alley's I don't see where the access point is. Want me to come up there and point? My finger tells a picture. No, you can't. Can you point on the screen? You got a pointer. All right. Oh, there we go. I got to go slow. Is that me? Okay. The cars will come in here and then turn right here. This is the street. That's the alley. And this is the the main street. I'm not very good at video games either. You're doing great. What about building building I'm concerned about building one and six and then I think I'm on unit building one

and building six. Yes, I'm there. Okay. So, when you come in the site, you can turn right here and or you can turn right here. This is an alley. Okay. This is an alley. Okay. Okay. So, the All right. So, I understand that. So, the front faces the uh Yes. the front faces me. That makes sense now. All right. Anyone else have questions of the Thank you. Thank you, ma'am. Anyone from the public wish to speak on this matter? Seeing none, we'll bring it back to the board. I just don't think, Mr. Chairman, I don't think there's adequate protection of the the the green space on that property. Okay. Did you well on the page two um what does it say? Landscape plan shows a variety of trees being proposed. The project area includes southern magnolia live bulge cabbage pond and upupon holly trees. Also a 15t buffer proposed in the norththeast and west property line. And I'm assuming all those buffers would be trees. 15 foot's about the distance between Mr. Commissioner Washington and myself. Okay. That's not very much. Okay. So, I'm just telling I'm telling you, you know, are are you concerned the trees or the buffer? I'm concerned with the buffer. I'm concerned with the that that is a natural landscape right now. I'm concerned with tearing all those trees down to put these town houses up and just protecting 15 feet on the south side. Uh dry pond on the east side, which is also labeled tract E on this map. And I don't I just don't see on this map the delineation of how they could have a 15 foot buffer on here on the north side of the property. Is there a wall around

the development? I don't Is there a wall around the development? Sorry, could you repeat the question? Is there a wall around the development? No. Is there east side? Sorry. Yeah, east side. There is. Yeah. Where the road? Yeah. Yeah. What? What type of road? What type of wall you put up? Oh, hang on. If Let me have the applicant come back. You're right. My my mistake. Ma'am, if you would please come back. I'm sorry. Sorry. Um, I believe the code required a block wall along that east property line and um I mean we tried we begged to get out of it but code required a wall along the east. Yes. But what type of wall do you plan to put in there? I believe it's required to be a block wall, masonary wall. Mhm. Okay. Right. Thank you. If you would please just wait one second. Anybody else have questions or anything that's going to require this young lady's assistance? We wanted to make sure you got your long drive worth of questions and and and we do code required buffers. So, we did put the code required buffers in there. Um, so you'll have landscaping around the perimeter as well. Very well. All right. Thank you, ma'am. Thank you. All right. We've already done public comment, so we'll bring it back to the board for a motion. Mr. Chairman, I'll make a motion that uh the planning commission recommend the approval of invitation co- major development plan. Thank you, sir. Motion by Commissioner Mott. Do I have a second? Second by Commissioner Woods. All in

favor say I. Any opposed? Opposed. Motion carries. the site plan number two. This is quasi judicial. So I'm going to announce the what the request is and the summary and then I'll ask that question. Owners Kelly Park Land Investments LLC applicants Polus and Bennett Car of Quinniv Leura partial identification location east of Round Lake Road south of Bondage Road and west of Zephr Lily Avenue to approve uh the the uh crossroads at Kelly Park phase 2B plat. Has anyone here had any qu or exparte communication on this matter? No, sir. Very well. All right, Miss Sanchez. Jean Sanchez with the community development department. This is a request to recommend approval of the crossroads at Kelly Park phase 2B plant. The sub the subject property is located east of Round Lake and south of Onich Road approximately 18.75 acres in size. The plan for crossroads a Kelly Park phase 2B is to create 90 single family lots, roads and other infrastructure required for the construction of this portion of the crossroads devel development. This plat also serves to establish portions of scrub hickory avenue several lily avenue, Nickerbean Street and Marsfield, Marshall Street rights of ways to support the expansion of and connectivity within the crossroads of Kelly Park development. The plat is consistent with the Kelly Park property major development plan approved by the city council on August 3rd, 2022. the as well as the crossroads at Kelly Park phase 2B construction site plan

approved by the development review committee in November 20th, 2024. The DRC recommends approval. The recommended motion is to recommend approval of the crossroads at Kelly Park phase 2B Plat staff and applicant are available for questions. Very well. Thank you, Miss Sanchez. Anyone have questions of staff? Commissioner Ryan, how wide are the lots? Um, I'll defer that to the applicant. Sir, I don't quite recall this portion of Crossroads. Um, let me ask another question. Are these are these bungalows or single family homes? These are single family detached homes. They're not bungalows. They can be single family detached bungalows also. You know, bung like single family detached homes can also be bungalows. Okay. But these don't appear to be bungalows. They I'm sorry. My question is are they going to be bungalows? I don't believe they are, sir, but I'll defer that to the applicant for confirmation. All right. Yeah. Get them. Okay, we can we can defer that to. All right. Anybody else have questions? Very well. Thank you, Miss Sanchez. Applicant here, if they please come to the podium. Hi, I'm Genevie Levida, applicant. address is 2602 East Livingston Street. Um, these are going to be single family homes. The lot sizes are between 52 to 55 ft. So, they're not bungalows. You

don't plan to build bung. Okay. No, thank you very much. I do have a question. Here it says front yard and front yard on a transition district overlay is 15 ft or 10 ft. Um what's the driveway on these properties? I turned it. Okay. Sorry. What is the driveway length on these properties? I'm actually not sure. That's not um normally something that we cover on plats. Okay. It's part of the uh construction plan approval. All right. You're Oh, I can defer to Gene. I mean, you're at the end of the process. So, we've gone through like the development plan, the construction plan approval. Several of the phases in this neighborhood have already been plotted or under construction. So, this is just to subdivide this particular phase so that we can start vertical construction in this area. Very well. All right. Anyone have any more questions, comments? Very well. Thank you, ma'am. Yes, sir. Does anyone from the public wish to speak on this matter? Unless Mary's grandson does. I don't think there's any other options. All right, we'll bring it back to the board for a motion. Mr. Mr. Chairman, I make a motion to recommend approval of the crossroads at Kelly Park phase 2B-LAT. Thank you, sir. Motion by Commissioner Washington. Do I have a second? Second. Yep. Second by Commissioner Norwood. All in favor say I. Any opposed? Motion carries.

All right. Do we have any old business? Any new business? Yes, sir. All right, Commissioner Washington. Well, I just like to say congratulations to Chairman Gustler, uh, Mary Norwood, and West Doom for your reappoints to the planning commission. Well, thank you, sir. That's all. All right. Any more new business? I have a question. Okay. The budget meeting is scheduled in July at the same time. Is that so? Wouldn't the budget meeting be held here or is it a a closed door meeting? It's held here, sir. And tenatively I've been told by um our planning manager that the July meeting may be cancelled or postponed. Our meeting or theirs? Um planning commission. Okay. For July. So we get a free pass if they have the budget meeting then. I think so. There you go. All right. All right. Anything else? You will get an email confirming that by the way. Okay. I don't ever read those. Ask Aaron. Perfect.