Arts in Public Places Advisory Board - Regular Meeting

According to my clock, it's 5.30. So I will call this meeting to order. The first order of business is public comments. The absence of any public comments, we'll move on to regular business. First item is approval of the minutes from April 23rd meeting.

Move that the board approve the minutes from the April 23rd, 2026 meeting. Second. Should we put this to vote?

All in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Jasmine?

I'm going to abstain because I wasn't here nor did I look at the previous minutes.

As you may recall, we cannot abstain on votes anymore. Sorry.

Fine. I'll say nay then. Okay.

We have a nay. All right. All right. Moving on to the next order of business, which is the working group updates.

That's on page nine. Angel labeled the packet pages. Very good.

Thank you, Angel. And so it looks like the first update will be the Homesteaders Art Project. Jasmine or Anna, would you like to take the lead?

We are still waiting because Leslie will be back in June. Okay. So she said that by June she should have an update on the language. Okay. Outstanding.

Next is the Police Station Art Project Working Group. Jasmine, I have to apologize for missing the meeting today. I was delayed at work. So if you wouldn't mind giving us the update.

Yeah, the meeting went really well, I think. Well, personally, I think it went great. We have two new sketches from Daniel Borup. So there's, well, there's three sketches. There's one of like a mountain lion seated, an African lion seated, and then an African lion in a sphinx pose. So like laying down. We kind of liked the one that was laying down, but James will consult with PD, like everyone at PD, see what they liked better. He is going to talk to facilities because they will be doing the memorial part. So they need to build the wall. Oh, Chelsea's holding up the wall and the benches. And we had a discussion on the platform on which the lion will sit and who's going to be responsible for that. So, yeah, where Chelsea's kind of circling, we discussed that. Originally, we thought Stone from Santa Fe Stone, but then as we kind of talked through it, we thought it would be easier if facilities or PD were able to cover the platform part of it.

Okay.

And then since we don't have anything up for a vote this meeting, we hope to get everything, like, tied up together so next meeting we can vote, and then it goes to council in July. And then we can get a contract to Daniel in August. Okay. Hopefully. Okay.

So I guess one question is, so for the Sphinx Pose lion, Do we have an estimate? Did Daniel have any indication as to how that would be attached to the foundation?

So he has expertise in attaching his sculptures to cement. And so when we were talking about the natural stone, he was like, oh, not sure about that. And so now, as Jasmine said, now that we're considering that the police department include that base in their part of the memorial, it could be cement, but maybe look like natural stone of some sort. which then puts that back into his wheelhouse. So he would be in charge of securing it. And that is part of the budget that we had proposed at his meetings.

Jasmine, do you want to add? I also want to add. Sorry, Chelsea. I wanted to add that we're going to put it in the existing memorial site now instead of moving it.

because it would be easier for the sake of the concrete pouring there's already concrete at that memorial site and so we wouldn't have to dig up landscaping and put concrete and do all that work okay and that would also help us not have to have to move the scale of justice remember we were talking about if it goes to where they had proposed the new location scale of justice might and this memorial might be a little too Crowded. Crowded, and we were thinking of moving the scale of justice around the corner. Sure. That's going to be a whole to-do and more expensive, and this way it doesn't make it so that you guys don't end up moving it, but it doesn't require it to be part of this project.

It doesn't have to be coordinated. Okay.

Questions? Questions?

We didn't get those sketches into the agenda packet, so we will for next month when you guys vote on that recommendation.

Okay. Unless there's other discussion on this, we'll move to the next topic. Strategic plan working group. I will provide the update for that. We have not met. Should. Maybe let's get through June, maybe into July, and then we'll start working on that. I don't know that there's anything driving us at any pace. We have some things. Have you been in contact with Stephanie?

I have not heard from her about this. Okay. And maybe after we get a new board member. Yeah. Yeah, maybe that person would want, if they get on, would want to join.

Yeah, that would be a good training wheel sort of thing. Okay. Moving on, Fire Station 4 Working Group.

We have the survey.

So the survey is ready to go. This is just for the community to read the proposed theme that you guys and the fire chief worked on and to provide feedback. input on that theme. And it will open June 2nd, I want to say. And so we're going to launch it officially. I think the press release will go out that day. And then we'll officially launch it at the Mosaic assembly workshops. We'll have a big poster with the big QR code and we'll hand out these little cards. So hopefully that They'll be excited about participating in the workshops, and so therefore they'll be excited about having input on the next project.

Target audience. There we go.

It's the only update. All right.

Next on the agenda is the deaccession and relocation working group. Yeah. Hmm.

I know we pulled a couple. Did I miss something? No, no.

We may want you to. That may be your update, unless you have an update on other pieces besides the quiet figures and Split Infinity.

I think those are the main pieces that we have. I know Jasmine contacted the Dino World.

David Fricks.

Yeah, David Fricks again. But it sounds like you weren't able to... I'm talking into the camera. But you weren't able to get a response from him still?

No, so I tried LinkedIn and I tried Facebook. There was no response from him.

I think that's a good faith effort.

Yeah. Yeah, at this point.

Address and page on his door.

What I'm learning, and I still need to do some more research on this and talk to our attorneys, but reaching out to the artists and having their input is especially important for VARA. But VARA didn't come into effect until 1990. So I think we're kind of not, it's not as crucial for any pieces prior to 1990, which these pieces are. Visual Artist Rights Act, I think is what it stands for.

Visual Artist Rights Act.

Yeah.

It's an act of Congress or state law?

No, it's federal. It really was. I'm just learning about it myself.

At one point in time, we've had a discussion about maybe having somebody from the legal come down and talk to us about this and explain this. Oh, I'd love to learn more.

I am meeting with attorneys next week specifically about that. I showed them the decommission report and remember how we had added the number six section of legal review. Because you had said specifically it would be nice if we're going to deaccession anything that it gets through attorneys just to make sure we haven't done anything wrong. And so they were not comfortable with putting... legal advice on the report. But they were okay with reviewing it. And then if they had concerns, they'd let us know. We'd fix those concerns. And then once it was good, then the report could show it's gone through legal review and we're good to go. So we'll keep it that way. And I'll learn more. And if I can encourage them to come... talk to you guys, I think that would be good too.

Well, I mean, you know, thinking about this is we're sort of like trying to make this sort of a formalized things, like a packet, right? They could give us like a PowerPoint or something. So when a new person joins the board, and we're all talking about like this thing is if we know about it, it would be good for everybody to be working on the same basis.

That would be good.

Yeah, just have this sort of accumulation of knowledge that's documented that we can pass on.

Welcome to APP. Here's what Vara writes. Here's what the projects are.

Here's your three-ring binder, you know, six-inch thick three-ring binder.

I'm also, speaking of VARA, I'm also learning. I was in communication with one of the people who work in Albuquerque in their art, public art department, and they have artists sign a VARA waiver. And so I had asked, like, why would you do, like, why, one, Still don't quite understand why artists would sign the waiver, but essentially any piece that is outdoors that could be damaged, that's when they will go and ask for a waiver. And that way then they can... a session or repair or do what they need to immediately if something were to happen rather than having to do what you guys are doing now is trying to find that artist or whatever and so I'm working on that so maybe that becomes part of our process we would have a formalized form that if these criteria in this new acquisition is met we ask for a VARA waiver Again, I'm in the very beginning stages of learning. I will share this as I know, but yeah. Albuquerque does it. Seems like we could reinvent the wheel and figure out how that translates to Los Alamos.

Give you part of the contractual agreements, right? Just going to have to give you your right.

Possibly. Or under these conditions. Or if you don't, here's what this means.

Is there anything else you want to talk about?

Because it looks like we have a vote next after we get done with this. I think the only other thing we talked about last week was voting, but I don't have any updates on that for this. Okay.

I took some pictures of Tranquility last Friday when I was there and zoomed in on whatever the jack resting is and then the bird droppings and the platform and how that looks.

Yeah, it doesn't look great, but it's...

Okay, well, if there's nothing else, I guess we'll move on to the next item on the agenda, which would look to be the discussion of the possible deaccession of split infinity with blooming three-medium replacement.

Do you want me to talk about that, or do you want to talk about that?

Yeah, I mean, you can talk about it.

That's just the one that kind of came up.

I was going to say, no, I'm happy to have you here.

So Split Infinity is the sculpture that's one of the three that's on the tall poles and outside near the clowns in front of the Mesa Public Library. So the middle piece is a sphere, and it was purchased from donation funds from the husband of, I can't remember her name offhand. Sorry, but she was a member, she was a chair of APP for a while and a county councilor. And so after she passed, her husband donated about $9,500 to APP to purchase this wind sculpture. And so at that time, APP had decided to add two more wind sculptures to make it a set. So it's not the one that was donated, but it was one of the additional ones, is Split Infinity. fell on the ground and somebody found it. And so it's now in my office in pieces. When I did some research on it, it has broken in 2023, it broke and they reached out to the company that they, yeah, the place in Santa Fe that they bought the wind sculpture from who gave them replacement pieces. So parks department put it back also recommended that the height of the pole be lowered because that particular sculpture couldn't handle the wind that high. That did not happen. So that is probably what is the problem is why it fell again. I reached out to the contact that we had in 2023. They've sold the company and it's a new company. And the Split Infinity sculpture no longer exists. And so they are providing a one-time exchange. So they're saying, if you bring us back the broken Split Infinity, we can recycle it and we'll replace it with... What is it called? Blooming Lily 3, which is pictured here in the packet. I assume it would match the other ones. It seems like it has numerous colors. I'm assuming it would be the copper one, but I'll clarify. As long as we deliver the broken one to Santa Fe and we pick up the new one, which... can do, and I can get Parks to then install it. This particular Blooming Lily 3 does not have the wind issues as Split Infinity, and so it could stay on the height of the pole that's existing now. And the pole is still there, and it's all good. So I think that's a pretty easy exchange, but to be proper, you guys need to deaccession Split Infinity, and then... recommend to counsel the deaccession of split infinity with a replacement of the acquisition of blooming lily three. And so it, They're doing it free of charge this one time, so there's no cost except for the gas to go down and back up, which won't be part of APP, right? And so what I did is I gave you a recommended action. If you agree with this and you read that recommended action, that will match what we then give to council. And so it can go to council on June the 9th.

Is there any reason why we wouldn't do that? That was a pretty easy swap.

Jasmine, do you have any comments? You may be muted, Jasmine. I don't know if you're muted.

There you go. It kept saying, host needs to approve my permission. I was like, what? I have no comments on this. Okay.

So speaking of, so what happened is, so this is our testing. Remember, we've created this decommission report to be official. So this is our first decommission. So the report is completed. And just to point out, number six is that legal review. And so I figured we didn't need it to go through legal review because there's no VARA issues because it's an exchange. We've already met with the replacement artist. The artist providing replacement. But just to point that out.

Okay.

I do like this report, FYI, so far. It does feel a lot more like you're crossing the T's and dotting the I's, and then this decommissioned report will go to council so that they can see the process that APP took to go through it. So there's some validity behind it, and there's some... So, like, right, you guys and in future boards don't just... willy-nilly commission pieces that serious effort has been taken.

I like that documentation. I think that demystifies a lot of the stuff that can be kind of anecdotal or in the room. Good document. I move that the APP Board recommend that County Council approve the deaccession of the Broken Wind Sculpture Split Infinity by artist Mark White from the Los Alamos County Public Art Collection and further recommend accepting Blooming Lily 3 Medium as a replacement artwork at no cost to the county. I think that should be Blooming Lily Medium. No, Blooming Lily 3 Medium. Yes, that's correct.

SECOND.

ALL THOSE IN FAVOR? AYE. BASMAN?

AYE.

OKAY.

UNANIMOUS. WOULD YOU LIKE, TIM, WHEN THAT STUFF HAPPENS, TO CLARIFY WHO MADE THE MOTION AND WHO SECONDED IT? STEPHANIE USED TO DO THAT. REPEAT IT AFTER.

OKAY.

Yeah, Andy has made the move to the APP board recommend that county council approve the accession of the broken wind sculpture split to infinity by artist Mark White from the Los Alamos County Public Art Collection and further recommend accepting Blooming Lily 3 medium as a replacement artwork at no cost to the county. Now we vote.

And then who seconded? Second again.

All those in favor?

Aye. Aye. You don't have to read the motion again. You just have to clarify who made the motion, who seconded it, so that it's easier to put into minutes. Is that right? Yeah.

Well, we'll work on it. I'm a work in progress as the president.

That's why I'm saying it.

By the time I figure it out, I'll be done being president. Okay. If there's no further discussion on that, we'll move to the next topic, which is the possible deaccession of aquatic figures, the mural at the Aquatic Center.

Yeah, I think there's kind of two legs to this. And this is the large mural at the Aquatic Center that I think was visible on one of these pages. Page 20. So I've been trying to get in contact with the artist, Richard Lang, for about, I guess, almost two months. First through a form on the website of an artist who has done work in Los Alamos, specifically in the auditorium. No response to the website form. Then reached out both through phone and email to... Angel found some places that had previously sold his work. Was told by one of them that they don't provide artist contact information to just people asking, which is fair. It's moreover that they don't collect the contact information of artists. I'm not sure if that was, but point being. Received no response from the other two folks, the other two houses. At this point, I would think that's about as much as we can do to contact him. It's been over a calendar month, I think closer to two calendar months, but I'll need to check the dates on that. Any questions on that side?

Again, having learned, this was painted prior to 1990. Yes. So it kind of supports the conclusion that we're not going to, it's okay.

Yeah, we don't need the feedback at this point. The second side of it is the quote for painting that we got back. It was a little higher than I think we thought, but it sounds like it's pretty reasonable in terms of what the scope of work would be. Okay. not to exceed $45,000, I think is where we landed on that, which is maybe a little, there are discussions in emails of us all getting jumpsuits and rolling.

We can do it for $20,000.

If it were like a regular wall, maybe, but this, yeah, it's just, you have to get on lift, and you have to have special paint, and And there's been quite a bit of talk about pricing and all of that. So the proper procurement methods to get this will be done. If you guys can set it at not to exceed 45, I think we can fit it under that. It might even come in less, but this gives you... Is there a timeline for this?

Uh...

So the reason why this has come up now, specifically, is because the pool is shut down. And the project is moving along quite nicely, and they could even be ready to paint at the end of June. We were thinking that the project would be done in October, and so maybe they'd be painting like August, but it's... It's going along so well that that's the pool project. Oh, okay.

So they're thinking that the pool could be done by June?

Well, no, no. Oh, okay. This painting could be done by June. Yeah, don't misunderstand. Nobody gets to jump into the pool. Yeah, I'm going to the pool right now. We're not talking about that. But they're able to get in. There's a timing issue with when they can get in versus when they're – And so it seems like June, early July could be the time when they would like to meet. So it needs to get done so that, yeah. So if you guys do this tonight, it can also go on council's agenda for June 9th. And then it's sort of out of our hands as a contractor would then come in and paint. Okay.

It seems ideal to try and coordinate. If you're going to do this, now seems like the best time we could potentially want to do this. Agreed.

And I don't have a plan B. It seems really expensive. But I think that's a couple of lessons learned from this, I think. One, that... As we repair things or clean things up, decommission things that need to be decommissioned, it's going to cost money. And so that is another reason why we need to be real careful as to like, we need our policies. So as we go through this, we can be thoughtful about what does like the fire station project that is coming up and the homesteading project that's coming up and the line sculpture project. What might we want to put into those contracts that would help the future APP members have an easier time when it's time to do a session or fix?

My plan is to be on the board in 2046, so you'll be helping me then.

I love that. I remember back in the day. I remember when we bought that piece. Okay.

The term limits rule is not quite that generous. All right. I'll make a motion to make it forever.

In perpetuity.

I'll take four years off, and then I can come back in. You can come and argue at council. It's going to come up soon. Okay.

Just before you move on, I want to bring your attention again to the decommissioned report on page 19. Section six of the legal review. This one did go through our attorneys, and that's how I learned about the 1990, and this is from, what, 1988. So they weren't too concerned about Vara, right? I talked about how I don't think we're gonna be able to get ahold of the artist or his estate, and it seemed like, they were supportive of moving forward with this.

I guess one other quick question. So the folks who are doing the painting, so I seem to recall that there was some issue with the paint on the mural right now is coming off. So is this going to fix that? So if in the future somebody puts up a piece of tape, it's not going to peel it back to the mural or somewhere beneath that?

As far as I understand, what they're going to do is they're going to prep the wall properly so that the new paint is, that they'll prime it and put the new paint on properly.

Okay, I'm free.

I move that the APP Board recommend that County Council approve the deaccession of the aquatic figures mural by Richard Lang and authorize the use of public basis funds in the amount not to exceed $45,000 plus applicable gross receipts to return the wall to its original condition. Second that. Okay.

We have a motion from Anna. It's been seconded by Andy. All those in favor?

No.

You voted to, you're voting nay on that?

Yeah.

Okay.

Still a yes vote.

Yeah, let's take a shock on that.

Yeah, yeah, that really is.

Must be very special paint.

Unless there's further discussion on this, we'll move on to the discussion about the Mosaic Assembly Workshop.

Okay.

All right. It's next week.

Yeah.

You're not fast. Let's see. We've done a few things. So... As of yesterday, 129 grids have been reserved. My understanding, there's 150. And so I think we're at a perfect place because We still would have drop-ins from Chamber Fest or Summer Fest. And possibly somebody gets there and they're really excited and they want to do two and stay longer. So I think we're good. I look back at the minutes from last meeting and you guys said... Because we needed to make the decision a couple of days ago about the advertisement we had talked about. And you guys had said if we have more than half of reservations, don't do the advertisement. So I said no to the advertisement. I am advertising. I advertised with a poster and cards at the summer concert on Friday. I will do it again this Friday. And we'll put the banner. The banner was on the overpass. Did you guys see it? And now it's been moved to the actual wall.

I saw that this morning.

So hopefully that's... Hopefully it's a success. I reached out to the artist, and I was like, I'm a little nervous. I really want this to go well. I want it to be this great, welcoming, you know, community event where people come together. But, like, reservation, like... Think of Seinfeld. You know how to make a reservation. You don't know how to keep the reservation, I'm afraid. Too many people or whatever. But I think we're good. And the artist said, I've done this so many times. As long as you can bring them in, I'll handle it. So I think it's good. When is the ribbon cutting then?

It's June?

The ribbon cutting is the following Saturday, June the 13th.

I think there's actually a ribbon cutting.

Page 23.

Yeah, these are the... Well, what I'm... Yeah, well, yeah. Okay. In case there are too many people... And so the people who have reserved on Sunday end up coming and there's no more grids or something. Or people really want to do more, but we want to save the grids for the reservations. The artist suggested that he's got some mosaic coaster kits. I think I talked about this last time. And so people could come in and make, I don't know exactly what they look like, but a little coaster that they can take home. They were $10 a kit. That's not something APP can fund because of the ordinance. But the library and the recreation department have pitched in money and we bought 150 kits. And that way then people can come and if, you know... We have some flexibility, so we can use them, and then they'll use them in programming if there's any extra after this. So that'll be nice. And we got the stickers, and so we'll hand the stickers out at the workshops after they've participated on their way out. They can have that, and hopefully they'll take the survey for the fire station. And if we have leftover stickers, we'll hand them out at the ribbon cutting. Okay. are certain time slots that are already filled up and so one of them is so Andy bring in his art camp full 30 just confirmed today and I think some of our some of the county's senior management team have signed up for that same time slot too so it'll be a nice yeah What else? The workshops are being held in the upper level of the Mesa Public Library. And so I'm hopeful to have, I'm hoping to get some like wayfinding signs that will bring them outside in and then up. We'll see how that goes. As the grids are completed, The artist needs to lay them all out so he can see what the mural, you know, make sure they're all in the right place. And so he's going to take them downstairs to that kid area. They call it the zone. And he's going to be able to display that out until the afternoon of Monday.

The 9th or something.

Um, and then he'll move those and then install them on the wall the following week. And then he's got the deadline by Saturday at 11 o'clock cause we've been cutting whether it's, it's, it's complete or not. Cause then he leaves, you know, once he's done, then he goes back to where he lives. So, um, in there, so it, Down the hall, there's sort of a rotunda area out in the upper level. And so the QR code for the fire station survey is going to be presented there on a big poster. And then I've also requested some posters of other... Like just education about this board so that as people come in, it helps, you know, they have time maybe to read a little blurbs about some of our past projects and a little bit about the purpose of APP and stuff. Trying to monopolize on getting the, you know, if we have some community involvement, might as well educate them about who you guys are and what you do. artist is arriving next Thursday June the 4th in the afternoon and I'll come over and help him set up the tables and whatever else he needs and then I have the sign up sheet here if you guys want to make sure I have it all right I think that's it I think that was that And I got your email about switching, so I put you on Sunday, right? Is that what you wanted?

Yeah, just let me know. I'll switch it around. Yeah, I'll let you know when I know for sure.

No pressure.

It's nice to have you guys out and about.

Speaking of the ribbon cutting, if you guys are going to come, can you email me and let me know that you're going to be there? Because if more than, what, three of you? If more than two of you are there, it becomes a quorum. And I think it's fine for this kind of event. I just have to figure out the proper notifications.

Yeah, put on a public notice of quorum.

And then that's fine, right? I think that's all fine. Okay. So I'll do that if there's more than two of you. So if you guys want to come, let me know.

Do you have to worry about any of the other boards, like the library board or anybody else that might be? That's their deal. Okay. Any further discussion? We'll move on to the next item on the agenda, which is the pending items list. Back to you, Chelsea.

Right now, there's only one pending item, and that's the White Rock Pottery relocation. Okay.

Okay. Next on the agenda is the Staff Liaison Report, which is back to you, Chelsea.

I just have a few things. I wanted to let you guys know that the gate, the Senior Center gate... It did get installed at the end of April. I hope you guys, if you haven't already, go out to see it because I think it came out nice. So LARSO, the senior organization, had their annual meeting last week, a couple weeks ago. And they may, Chair Wrighty made, read a proclamation and also talked, let me had a little acknowledgement about the gate, so a little bit, I gave him some of the history of how that went down, so he read that and encouraged people to go out and see it. So that was, it wasn't a ribbon cutting or an unveiling, but it was an acknowledgement, so I think we're good on that. And we paid the final bill this week. No, they received the final check this week, so we're, yeah, we've got it, we're all good. Tim, as the chair, will be doing the APP presentation to council on June the 23rd. So if you recall, every year, each board chair has to do a presentation just on updates and how things are going and what they've done. And so Stephanie has done it for the last few years. So Tim will do it this year. It'll be at the White Rock Fire station because it's a working... What is it called? A working meeting? A working... Work session. Work session instead of an official one, which therefore often that means that there's no action taken on the working sessions. It's just presentations. It's a little more informal, but still. We did... So we have our empty... And we did receive an application. And so we will be working on interviewing that person next week. And then if that goes well, we'll put that to council. And so hopefully in July, maybe by the July meeting or the August meeting. I would think it would be by the July meeting that they, if all goes well, they could join us.

It would have to be at the second meeting.

Right. Yeah, because there's not enough time to get it on the agenda for June 9th, so it'll have to be the following council meeting. Should we put a holder on the agenda?

So let's say we do the interview and we say, perfect, we can get over. And that person...

the council i think the agenda items have to go tomorrow so i don't think yeah i i mean i hear you on the placeholder but i don't think there's enough detail and we can't get it in that okay that's right i just am but yeah yeah this is always the thing where it's like okay we gotta wait a month so but that's fine the way the life goes the way the way the only two weeks yeah yeah yeah um So final thing, something new that we've never dealt with before, which is kind of exciting, and it seems like Los Alamos may have had this happen before, but years and years ago. There are certain capital projects.

I'm learning, so be patient with me.

There are certain capital projects that we get legislated Legislative appropriations for, so like a grant from the state. So for example, the fire station for construction project has received a grant from the state. Some of them have an appropriation for arts and public places in that one. Some of them don't. The fire station one does. And so 1% of the grant that they received for the construction of the building goes to APP. It doesn't come to this board's fund. It stays at the state level. So they're basically in charge. And so I'm learning what that looks like. If it's a smaller project, let me give you another example. We have two of them, one for the Fire Station 4 and one for the Emergency Operations Center. So there's a brand new Emergency Operations Center that's being built, and they have received a $75,000 grant. I think it's called a grant. I don't know. It's something. And so 1% goes to APP. So that's $7,500 that can be spent on art. So the state has a whole... Did you say $75,000? $7,500. It's a $750,000 grant. So 1% of that is $7,500. That is... reserved at the state level for the AIPP. So they have a whole process. For that amount, it's basically what would happen is there's a committee that's formed. You guys are part of that. And you could look through a catalog. So the state program has already selected a number of artists in different categories. One category is New Mexico artists. One category is Southwest artists. One category is indigenous art artists or something like that. So you can look through the catalog of all of the already selected artwork and pick, you know, maybe a painting or whatever that's $7,500 or you can pick two paintings that equals 7,500 and then they purchase it and then hand it to us and we hang it on the wall or whatever. There's a whole process and we can get the EOC, people that are involved with the EOC involved in that if they want art. If they're like, no thank you, we don't want art, then that 7500 gets put in and you guys could then select a different location for it if you wanted to. That was the EOC because you guys didn't have a project already going for that one. I'll learn more about that, and I'll walk you guys through how to be part of that. It's kind of cool. You get to spend somebody else's money and make a selection in a much easier way, I think. The Fire Station 4 project, since you guys are already doing that, I reached out to the public art program director, the one that I had been reaching out to on the acquisition policies and such. And I said, here's what's going on with our Fire Station 4. I hate that... You guys would just pick a random piece of art and plop it in when we already have this. Is there any way to combine the funds for the project that we're planning? I didn't, I thought she would say, nope, sorry, we have a process. She's totally open to that and could even pitch in more money from their reserves for this project. So it's totally supportive. Before we go down this, I want to talk to our attorneys just to make sure, because they would be in charge, I want to see how that fits with our ordinance. I told her about our specifications. She didn't think it would be a huge problem. But just before we get all too excited, I want to make sure that the blending of that is acceptable and what does that look like. And then I can take it. And then once I get more information, I'll put it on the agenda and we can talk about what that looks like. But it's possible that it could be kind of exciting.

That sounds awesome. Okay, next on the agenda, Chairman's Report. Me. I have nothing to report. Well, actually, let me just say one thing. So we have this presentation. I'm supposed to give this presentation in June. If you have things they want me to add to it, let Chelsea know or let me know or both of us. I'll make sure that it gets put into the presentation. If anybody wants to see it before I give it, we won't have time between now and the next meeting, but as we're working on it, I'll send rough drafts around if people want to see it. I won't spam you with it, but if you want to see it, let me know, and we'll make sure you get a copy.

Just to clarify, just to add on to that, just remember, though, if when you do share it.

I send it to you.

I mean, right.

Yeah, I won't be sharing it directly.

And then if you have any comments about it, run them through me so that there's no rolling quorum. I'm sensitive to that. You know, that's my job. I take that seriously.

I appreciate that. Keep us out of trouble. Okay. I had nothing else to add. So next on the agenda is Council Communications, Councilor Rieger.

I just want to clarify a couple things about this aquatic figures project. The paint is $45,000. If someone questions it, how do I defend that? What do I say? You guys approved it. That's one item. But why is it such a pricey paint job? Or is there an explanation? Is it?

So we, it's special paint, so it's an epoxy water-based paint.

It has to be... Oh, it's an epoxy water-based, okay.

Because it's specialized paint, so because it's inside the pool area, it has to deal with the humidity. It has to, you know, withstand the humidity and the chemicals, chlorine and all of the other stuff. It also... It's a huge, very tall wall, and so they need to bring in a lift, and they have to, you know, right, and get in and all that, and they have to prep it, so they need to clean it all. They also have to protect the pool. and the new tile and all of that, so they have to do a really great job of plasticking and covering. They also, because of that, they also cannot spray it on the wall. They have to roll it on the wall. So there's a lot involved in that.

That's good. That's all I need. Okay.

And we're doing the proper procurement.

Jasmine's still there. Why did you vote against it, in case someone asks?

I voted against it because of the price.

The price is kind of crazy. Okay. That question may well come up in the council meeting.

We'll see what happens. Chelsea, in the deaccession plan, you have the financial impact, which sort of goes over some of this, not in all the detail you went over. Is there some place where those details are written down?

I wrote it in the staff report for council.

Okay.

And I'm working with one of the public works project managers, and he's working through all the quotes and working with the different painters and understanding all of that. And so if there is questions, hopefully I'll be able to answer those technical questions.

This will come out June 25th, probably? 9th. June 9th.

Because tomorrow, I mean, I've got it ready to go. I'm dumping it in tomorrow.

Okay. Thank you. And to be clear, it's also not to exceed. So that doesn't mean that we will spend the full 45. It just means with some contingency. We're hoping it's less.

There's been a number of quotes floating around and the procurement process is particular because it's not just this one wall. It The whole project is to paint all the walls, since we're doing it now, not to have one nice clean wall and then old walls with the new surface of the pool. So the project is for the whole amount, but I've asked the contractors to give us separate quotes so that you guys are looking at just what APP is responsible for, which is, again, why it's a little complicated and... Procurement process is complicated because it dumps it over the threshold where you have to go through more process.

I guess another question to follow on for council over here. Do we have a summary of what it's cost to maintain this piece over the, I don't know how long it was maintained?

Well.

No, that's a perfectly fine answer.

I think... I don't think we do because I don't think we've actually maintained it. I think because it's an indoor piece, our Pacific Coast doesn't take care of our indoor pieces. And so when I've researched this for the deaccession, I have not found any time where anybody has come out and touched it up or done anything.

That would be, to Jasmine's point, the question of the maintenance. At some point in time, is it worth to maintain that? When do we exceed the cost, the value of the piece? Is that a consideration? We don't have those numbers? That's okay.

So the floor is yours. Well, it wasn't my whole report. What are we going to do about this? This should come up. And there wasn't anything really actioned on the council that I can talk about right now. We'll see. Get a bunch of things on the agenda for next month. I'll tell you what happens. Review of the next meeting?

I think the Homesteader put something like an update. I guess we could just handle that with the regular updates. We should have something. Hopefully we'll have language to review from Leslie. We want to handle that just as like a regular homesteader working group update. I don't know that we'd necessarily... You want Leslie to come in and discuss? That would be great. If we could have Leslie to come in, if she has the language for that, to come in and kind of talk about that and sort of like she would like to move forward.

no action. There should be action on the lion sculpture. We will have the fire station theme survey will close on June 21st and so I think that works for... It's tight, but we can give you a... There might be some action if I learn more that time about the state piece of it all if not right I can just update you guys with the survey results of the theme you can also put that in the staff liaison report unless unless you want action to approve do you want to work on revising the theme based off of the feedback And then maybe need an action item to... I don't know. I'm not sure how much time... To approve the official theme or whatever. Like you guys work the... Maybe that's just a fire station. Maybe the working group for the fire station. You guys need to review the stuff. Make a suggestion of what the thing should be. And then you bring it to APP for, so maybe that's, maybe I can get that to you and we just do an update. And then in July, you guys could bring it.

Yeah, I think that works. Okay.

Look at us work through so many of our big projects. That's right.

Don't know what to do now. else anyone wants to add to the agenda for the 25th?

Do you guys want to do something specific on any of the other deaccession?

I guess is it time to act on? How do you feel about that? Do you think it's time to put an action item on for Dino World now that you've been trying to contact your artist for a bit?

Well, so do we have to contact him? Like, if he's purposely avoiding us is kind of my thought.

Yeah. No, I'm on the same page with you there.

So do we have to try to reach out to him or a representative, or can we say we've attempted contact multiple times at this point and just move forward?

That's a sort of reasonable level of reasonable effort. How can I... hire a private detective to track this person down.

Do you remember the date on that piece? I think it's 93. So it's after 90, okay.

93 or 95 or something, right?

Yeah, it's like early 90s.

Yeah. Okay. Well, I guess it's us.

Jasmine and Tim, do you guys want to work on finalizing? Sorry, Andy and Tim.

That's right.

I'm sorry. Do you two want to meet and finalize that report and get it to me, and then I can bring it to attorneys?

Yeah, Jasmine, do you want to, and we can talk about this offline, do you want to set up a meeting before the next full board meeting?

Yeah, let's do that, and maybe we can find something together on how to contact him in the meantime.

Yeah, I'm game for that. I think we've exhausted the standard ways of contacting. Let's see if we can... Let's meet up. Let's figure this out.

Okay, so I'll put possible... And you guys will let me know. Yes, yes, we will.

Anything else anyone would like to say on the agenda? Okay. Well, that being the case, I will adjourn this meeting at 6.32.