Council - Regular Meeting

Um, this is a regular meeting and Ryan, would  you please take a roll call? Mayor Dame here.   Mayor Prom Zalinski, Councelor Townsley,  Councelor Schmal, Councelor Wymer here,   councelor Shaker, councelor Smith.  We have a quorum. Thank you,   Ryan. Do we have any agenda changes? We'll see  none. Item three, disclosure of any council or   conflict of interest for tonight. Also see  none. Item four is citizens appearing before   council and a council respond for items  that are not on the agenda. And you guys   know the know the drill. It's three minutes  for you. Uh please raise your hand if you're   interested in speaking. Um state your name and  whether you live in city limits at the podium. Where's Chase? Sorry. Oh, we have a list. [clears throat] Lori Chase. Lori Chase. You're right.  705 Calvin Drive. Good evening. Okay,   not deviating from my writing. Good evening,  Mayor Dem and the rest of council. Thank you   so much for all you do. I'm here to  talk about our beautiful new park [clears throat] landing, excuse me. I've  had occasion to be there after dark since   our gallery is located right next door. The lights  are so bright they can actually be blinding if you   look anywhere near the direction. Mo most of my  information comes from John C. Wells planetarium  

article light pollution the overuse and misuse  of artificial light at night. I understand   the intent is to keep people safe and perhaps  discover discourage overnight camping. However,   there's several concerns with lighting that is too  bright and poorly directed. Light trespass is when   unwanted light escapes from one property  to another. Overillumination is excessive   lighting where it is not needed. Light clutter is  excessive or redundant groupings of lights that   create confusion and discomfort. Studies show that  artificial light can disrupt circadian rhythms and   melatonin production in humans. The effects on  wildlife can be equally disturbing impacting,   sorry I'm out of breath, a little out of  condition here, impacting m migration,   reproduction, feeding, and hunting in this  park. The glare from 18 lights is significant,   bright enough that you can be momentarily blinded  if you look towards them. I'm asking the city to   consider a solution that balances safety with  comfort and responsible lighting. My suggestion   would be either illuminate every other light  pole, dim the lights, adjust the fixtures so   the light is directed more downward and where it's  needed. This would make the park more enjoyable at   night without sacrificing safety for everyone.  Thank you very much. Thank you, Miss Chase. Um,   let's go through the list and then we'll respond  to uh somebody's comments. Uh, Mr. Burner. Hi, I'm Doug Burns. Greetings call. Um, and um,  I am a small business owner on Sixth Street and  

I've lived on Sixth Street in the same apartment  for 30 years now. And I just want to reiterate   what Lori was saying. Um, um, the lighting  design there is I I think is really really   poor. It's what's known in the industry as light  bombs. you basically it's just glaring, you know,   spots of light and it makes it impossible to see  basically across the see the face of nobody across   the park which is a safety issue really. Um,  and I would refer everybody here to the Dark   Sky Foundation. I don't know if you've ever heard  of it. Um, but I was down in Santa Fe last fall in   uh in the middle of the city which is much  bigger than this and I walked outside and   there were stars everywhere and we don't have  that here and that's a shame. It really is.   Um, if there's any way to to shade those lights  or I mean you shouldn't be able to see the source   of the light, you should be able to see what the  light is lighting, right? The pathway. Um, but   basically it's just a it's just a bombs of glare.  I mean, it's not good design at all. And the other   part of the six, um, the six sheet looks great.  I'm very happy with it as a business owner. Uh,   the other thing was that, uh, you know, they put  the plants right up next to the street there. So,   when people open their doors to get out of their  cars, they step right on the plants. I mean,   poor design. Really poor design. The other thing  is I would like to see the the two-hour parking   signs, you know, the actual real two-hour parking  signs go up as soon as possible. Um, I sit in my   store there and I watch people unload their cars  and go to the pool and park there all day. Uh,   that really hurts the businesses there. Um, and in  addition, I would like to have like maybe a couple   of 30 minute or one hour parking spaces there just  for people who want to come in and shop real quick   and leave. Um, because people try to come to  the liquor store or, you know, go to the to the   uh consignment shop or whatever and um, they  can't find a place to park because people are   just parked there all day. So, um, I know there  are on both corners of Kevin's liquor store,  

Cooper's Liquors, there's 30 minute parking  on both sides of the corner of his store. I'd   like to see something like that for us, too. Thank  you. Thank you very much. And lastly, Mr. Hower. My name is David Hutter. I North Glennwood  resident. And I too want to I want to   reinforce what the two previous people said.  The lighting is excessive and unnecessary. And   uh it's not it's not a good design solution. And  I I like what uh the gentleman just before me   articulated. I mean what the goal of lighting  in that park should be because I know there's   considerations for safety. But uh this is way  beyond that. Uh and there's other long as I'm here   and I have a few minutes. There's other problems  with the reality of this park design and uh there   I think it's flawed in many areas. For one thing,  there's way too much fixed sitting. Uh there it is   not what you would call a green design. there's  too much concrete. uh the fixed sitting and the   car the way the concrete is articulated it is it  it rather than becoming a flexible public space   it is becom it is constricted and I think I am  very happy that we have this open space here   and I think it will improve over time and I think  one of the things over time that I would hope that   the city would do is integrate this open space  with the buildings that exist now and will be in   theuture future because that building or this area  is going to be subject to so much redevelopment   and and I'm thinking particularly of where they  have now fenced in where the rest public restroom  

is going to be which is to be a prefab rest which  is I don't know what the design is going to look   like but I look at that as being an interim  solution and the permanent solution should   I think come from cooperation with the adjacent  property owners and should probably be integrated   ated uh into that building complex where the arts  council is and the liquor store and everything.   So that the open space, you know, building a  building in open space, it's it's not open space   anymore. And that open space is so valuable  and over time it's very very important. And   uh it's it's cluttered now and uh much less than  it could be. Thank you. Thank you very much.   Anybody else from the public like to come forward  comment tonight? We'll see none. I will close the   public portion. Bring it back to council. Do we  have any responses to uh what we heard tonight? Go. I go again. Trying to remember how this  works. I know. Mic on. There you go. Yeah. So   So we don't disagree. I think we think that the  lights could probably be better over there. Um,   we had a a meeting at the Hotel Colorado last  night and it was something that we noticed and so   um figure we'll work with parks and find out if  like maybe we can change the lighting to stop   lighting or if there's other um solutions  as far as just the lighting goes perhaps. Who are you looking to? I'm  looking at Rod's reaction.   I'm like I don't know trying to read your face. Did you see? We would be happy.

There's been lots of um work to make that part be  able to work. And there obviously are some things   that could be done to improve the the um usability  and ambience of that for for folks. Um and safety   is a concern too. So trying to find that balance  something. Yeah, I know that was a big community   concern about the the loitering and not creating  dark spaces that we're going to create an unsafe.   So totally appreciate that. But maybe we can  strike a little bit of balance. You bet. And   just for your information, one of the things we've  recently done, we had a a meeting of uh various   departments of the city uh coming together and  talking about that space and how we might manage   it and how we might use it. Um whether it's  food trucks and how often to the benches and   and the need there to make some modifications  to them. So, we had we had good representation   from most of the departments and then we've also  had some discussion on it at the parks and rec   advisory commission. So, we're working on we gave  it to me. Awesome. That's so good to hear. Thank   you. Thank you. All right. Anybody else? We got  Ray Commissioner I mean um councelor Small. Um   I I concur. I go by there frequently going to  the pool and those lights are really bright.   Um, but I also appreciate the desire for them to  be bright at times that can probably be modified   and fixed somehow and probably should be.  I I'll um follow up on the other comment   about design and the parking. the the plantings  adjacent to the parallel parking right now are  

interfering with cars opening their doors and  those those plants are going to get when they   grow up it's going to be 10 times the problem  and then people are going to park halfway in   the street that's only half a street to begin  with. So that's another thing to be looking   at as we as we try to improve what we started  with there. Thank you, uh, Councelor Tanley. That's that's exactly where I was going with  it, too, is, you know, I think that the the   park is awesome. It's got some issues that, you  know, probably more readily apparent after the   fact than before the fact. So, I think it sounds  like everybody's kind of on the same line here.   We take a look at the lighting. I've noticed the  same thing because I park over there occasionally   and you know, you do it's like, okay, the plants  are right there when you step out. So, then you   tend to park a little further out. it's already  too far out. Uh the other thing is is I think   the idea of of possibly having shortening some  time slots in those some of those parking spots   would be good. It appears to me there's somebody  living in a white van over there. Uh so maybe we   could have code enforcement take a look at maybe  just hitting that street a little more often and   like I say not making it a permanent parking spot  for a couple people that may be living out there.   So awesome. Thank you. I think this is great  feedback. I think it's something we can get to   where it works for everybody. Thank you. Anybody  else? Okay, we'll see none. Thank you. Um Oh,   councelor Smith. Thank you. Um I too strongly  concur with the comments about the lighting at   North Landing and with comments from colleagues  here. Um [clears throat] in part because it's   just too darn bright. It's just jarring. but  also in part in large part because of safety   concerns. Uh one of the principles we learned  when the lighting ordinance for the city was  

crafted ages ago is that [clears throat] it's  important to illuminate what you want to see.   And in this instance, in many instances, it's the  danger you want to illuminate. If I walk through   there and there's a prowler or an attacker on the  other side of one of those one of those globes,   I can't see them. I can't avoid them. So,  specifically for safety, I think it's important   to tone those down and redirect the light  and not have it direct in anybody's eyes. Um,   meanwhile, in addition to those kind of kind of u  subjective or or or observational considerations,   my amateur reading of the current lighting  ordinance is just those those fixtures are plain   out of compliance with the lighting ordinance.  So, that may be a place to start in terms of   uh investigating retrofits. Thank you.  Thank you very much. See nobody else. Um,   yeah, the lights we've they've been covered. I  agree. I was blinded last night, so I'm like,   we got to do something. So, I agree. Thank you,  Director Terulo, for bringing us a solution or   working on a solution. But, I'd like to call on  uh city engineer Ryan Gordon, if I may, quick   to see if you could give us a quick update on the  parking signs. I assume that goes to engineering. Yeah. Uh, good evening, council. Yeah,  Ryan Gordon, city engineer. Yes. So,   the the parking signs are in in my my purview. And  so, um yeah, we're working to get those up. Um I   think the suggestion of some short-term parking  makes a lot of sense. I mean, I think our goal is   is to have some amount of turnover. Um I I I think  it the locations that they're they're talking   about do make a lot of sense. Um I know we spoke  to the gentleman who owns the bike shop as well,   but expressing some interest in getting um some  short-term parking that's kind of the Suilla side.  

So, I think it's something that we can we can make  work. Do you have some sort of a timeline when we   can expect a sign? I don't. I I will reconvene  um Monday morning with my crew and see what's   going on and can't get something up relatively  quickly here. Okay. Excellent. We are um lucky   we don't have a ton of snow for putting signs  in the ground. Um so, we can probably get that   done sooner rather than later. Awesome. Thank  you, Ryan. Gotcha. I hope this helps. I hope   you kind of heard what you wanted to hear. Um  I think we have some solution for for the area.   Um, with that we'll move on to  council announcements. [sighs] [clears throat] Mayor Prom Solinski. Um, so the  airport, the KGWS municipal airport is having   its annual meeting um the evening of January  22nd at Mortgage Commons and that will be at   5:30 p.m. And that is for members, but it's also  open to the public. If you're interested party,   want to become a member, it'd be a great place to  come. And then I just want to invite all concerned   residents of the city of Lon Springs to come  to our first annual state of the city. Um that   will be on January 31st at Morg Commons. Um that  will be at also at 5:30 p.m. Um you can RSVP and   if you go to the city website, the coods. You'll  see it there. Would love to see as much interest   on that as possible. Thank you. Anybody else? Any  announcements? Let's see. Councelor Smith. Thank   you. Uh, Historic Preservation Commission met last  Monday on January 12th. U, they are beginning to   develop a list of potential buildings of note.  That that's an official building buildings of   merit. Structures of merit. That's it. Structures  of merit. as as kind of an interimm step toward   um historic pres historic recognitions. Um there  is [clears throat] a state conference about   um historic preservation coming up in February  and at least staff and a member or two of the  

commission will attend. So we'll learn even more  from other communities. Um the transportation   commission met on January 6. They are continuing  their preparation of what they mean what they   meant in long ago recommendations here be before  city invests in bike share networks be sure that   the bicycling infrastructure is ready for  it was basically what they recommended.   they are now filling in the gaps, filling in  [clears throat] back filling on that on what   they need of a list of of particular gaps and and  improvements that that they think will be needed   to cross that threshold. They also just resolved  to take up um a more deliberate and systematic   discussion of trail safety policies including  measures related to electric assist bicycles.   uh as more increasing incidents but lots of  complaints about variable speeds and weight   and such of vehicles. So they're going to they're  going to tackle that. I think they'll probably   confer with parks and rec commission as well.  Um but they're starting that off. So that was   I thought thought that was a good initiative.  Workforce housing advisory board met on January   13th. Um had [clears throat] a guest speaker from  the housing coalition. uh West Mountain Housing   Coalition. Um April [clears throat] Long was there  and talked extensively about their initiatives   um as a coalition and how the city's own  programs in general on housing and workforce   housing money in particular can tie in with that.  uh overlapping with the visit with with Miss Long   and as a continuing agenda item for that board,  there was discussion of finding ways to trans   transend transfer some of the workforce housing  funding into a revolving loan fund. Uh there's  

some kind of procedural fiscal difficulties with  that, but one possible solution is running that   money through a contractor that knows how to  do that so the city doesn't have to track those   loans. They're coming back with more thoughts on  that, which again I think will be a creative help.   Uh the rafter board met on June January 8th um  and had kind of a summary of 2025 and anticipation   of projects and potential budget adjustments  in 2026. Uh a couple of highlights were raft   ridership in general is trending down even though  it made a recovery after everybody stayed off the   bus during the plague is now trending down again  even during the period of of free fair of October   November. Um it's it's just a trend that persists  and is is a bit troubling. um [clears throat] happily or otherwise uh the hogback is the  exception to that. Hogback continues to be   popular and attract riders uh and that brings  a lot of workers to Glennwood Springs. So that   seemed useful. Raft als raft board also directed  its staff to undertake a trail safety analysis   related in particular to [snorts] ebikes but other  other multiple use uh interactions. So, I think   there's going to be some overlap between what the  city and RAFA do on that one, and I think that   could be very productive. Um, we were alerted to  at the RAFTA board meeting to a state an emerging   statewide ballot initiative that would require  all C. Colorado Department of Transportation   funds that currently go to transit services be  transferred to roads and roads construction and   maintenance. Uh so it's something that may be on  the ballot. Of course has rafta very concerned   because they do some partnerships with seed dot  and this some of that funding is important as does  

as has the city. So it's something I would suggest  that the city also keep on its uh legislative   monitoring and its not legislature so much but uh  issue monitoring. Um Garfield clean energy will   meet board will meet tomorrow for its bimonthly  meeting. general organization for the coming   year and updates on grant application programs,  including one um in which we're hoping to get some   Glenwood Springs funding for solar retro solar  electric retrofits on one of our buildings. So,   we'll get an update on that grant application.  Colorado Mountain College Civics's Initiative   uh will launch on Monday, January 19th, three  o'clock over at their place. uh this is this   is their year-long emphasis on civic engagement  and teaching people how to be active citizens   and I think it's going to be neat partnership  opportunity for the city and I hope some of us   can attend to learn about what they have in  mind. Um council members know this one but I   want to be sure the world knows that our landfill  got recognized. Uh the [clears throat] Columbus   Springs landfill was recognized in the 2025's  summary report called state of recycling and   composting in Colorado as one of the outstanding  success stories focused mainly on the yard waste   diversion program that city council approved  but also inherently recognizing the the really   creative work that goes on out there at the  landfill. Um finally, um there is sorry only   for city staff but there is a city staff all  staff appreciation uh lunchon coming up. Um,   so that's not an invitation, but it's but it's  a neat thing. And I'm particularly pleased that  

uh Sarah and city administration and community  center staff have been working real hard with a   couple of contractors such that this is going to  be a zerowaste event. There will be no trash. We   are going to do a combination of recycling and  composting for all the food and uh utensils and   such. Uh it's a really nice initiative and and  it's it's also happens to be in keeping with the   climate action plan that we discovered earlier  discussed earlier under action item WM1.4.1 uh we're now in the business of keeping the the  the trash reduced for our own events. It's kind   going to be kind of fun. Thanks. All right. Thank  you, Councelor Smith. And we got Council Shack.   Thank you. Just a quick update or amendment of  what you pushed a button. I did. Yep. I don't   know. A quick update of what uh councelor Smith  just told us about workforce housing commission.   Number one is no longer just the Workforce  Housing Commission, albeit its title is the   same. We remind the public we have merged it  with housing. So, it's a broader scope than   just workforce housing. and we could use some  applicants. But also just a note on the regional   housing coalition. We invested a fair amount of  money in that without a guarantee that all the   benefits would acrew to Glenwood Springs. It took  a stretch and we have had um as of I think next   week there will be 20 deed restricted placements  for residents in the valley. 12 of which are   Glennwood Springs address. um 10 of which are  actually in city limits, two just slightly outside   of city limits. So it has been working extremely  well on our behalf for a diversity of housing and   permanently deed restricted housing in a more  affordable range forever. So thank you. Thanks  

for that addition. Thank you for the info. Anybody  else have announcements? No, we'll see none. Thank   you. We will move on to the consent agenda and  I'm entertaining a motion to move it forward.   Mayor Prom Solinski, I move to approve the consent  agenda as written. Thank you. We have a motion and   councelor Wymer. All second. And a second. Any  questions about the consent agenda? See none.   Everybody in favor say I. I. I. Those opposed?  We'll see none. Motion passes unanimously. I   would just like to take a moment to thank um our  two reapplicants. Uh for the arts and culture,   we had Haley Harris and Nick Ward. And for  tourism management, Kevin Kennedy appreciate   you and your continued service to our city. And we  also have somebody for the volunteer firefighter   pension board. And the name just eluded me.  So sorry. We're going to look it up and we're   going to mention you as well for crying out loud.  I know. before we head into make everything. It is Ledanne Gallagher. Excellent. Leslie and Galler,   thank you very much. Thank you uh for  mentioning that, Aaron. Uh moving on to   our first actions and or presentations. And item  seven tonight is a funding request from CARE. Nice.

Okay, great. Thanks. Hi everyone. Uh, thanks for  having us here tonight. My name is Wes. I'm the   executive director of care Colorado Animal Rescue.  We're at 2801 County Road 114 outside of city   limits, but serving Glenwood Springs. Um, I came  and spoke with you all briefly in October. Um,   just to let you know about this problem we're  having with ongoing funding for the shelter. Um,   so tonight we're here to ask you for $7,500  to fund the shelter in 2026. Um, this request   comes after just uh not finding a solution that's  working otherwise um having been a part of the   financial advisory board grants in the past years  and denied in 2025. So um just a little bit of   information for you and some visuals to share.  Um, first is a uh an image of a dog, Veronica,   who uh arrived as a stray dog through the Glenwood  PD to Red Hill in Carbondale and then uh relocated   to care after two weeks of not being reclaimed  there at Red Hill. Um, I stress this story because   this is an example of how um our resources at  the shelter really benefit the whole community   and the animals in our care. So, Veronica needed  medication for kennel stress. She needed behavior   modification. um she needed to be vaccinated  and microchipped before she went into a home.   So she was adopted um and is living on Mentor A in  Glenwood. So she did spend 66 days at the shelter   after originally being dropped off at Red Hill.  So um although the stray holding agreement with   Red Hill serves us one purpose, a lot of those  animals do end up back up at care. Um, just to   briefly touch on the history of care, um, we were  founded in 1992 as an allv volunteer organization   and then worked to identify property and build a  shelter that served Glenwood Springs and Garfield   County. Um, for all of these years, um, we have  served 30,000 animals. Um, and we've been proud  

to say that we work for Glenwood. Um in 2022  that changed a little bit when um our ask from   the police department budget was a little bit more  uh than the chief was comfortable with. Um that   mistake came from the fact that I was trying to  fund all of the work we do for the city under one   relationship with the police department. Um and  that wasn't necessarily fair to them either. So um   the per animal costs for a stray animal to arrive  at the shelter through the PD are reasonable and   affordable for the police department. Um, but the  animals that we serve outside of that contract is   a large amount. Um, so we'd love to say that we  work for the Glen City of Glenwood Springs. Again,   um, it's a huge part of our mission to be,  um, essential to the community and a part of   community health. Um, in this picture, we've got  some Glenwood Springs elementary students. Um, we   had over 20 school groups visit the shelter this  year. Um, they hung out with Hermione and went for   a walk. Um, again, just part of what it means to  have this community shelter that's really doing so   much. U, this cat pictured here is Tofu. Um, the  police department doesn't usually work with cats.   Cats all come to the shelter as citizen strays.  Um, Tofu was found by by Glenwood Springs High   School. Um, was with us for two weeks, received a  dental cleaning, vaccines, and a microchip before   going into a new home. So, the great thing is  Tofu now has a microchip. we know who the owner   is. When she sews up at the shelter, we get her  back there next time. Um, this list of items that   we do at the shelter uh are important to consider.  Um, socially conscious sheltering is signed into   Colorado law as of 2021. Um, an important part  of that for the city to consider is that socially   conscious sheltering includes serving the needs  of the community. Um, so we don't say that we're   no kill. we make decisions based on what's  right for our community. Um, and that means  

that we do euthanize some animals. Um, and that's  something that's important for public safety. Um,   and these animals that are adopted out into the  community should be considered safe for that. Um,   it is a very low number and we're very proud to  say that that is very few animals every year. Um,   but it's an important part of our work to  help the community be safe. Uh, we also   um are a PACFA certified kennel space. So  Colorado has um licensing required through the   state program to make sure that we are following  all their guidelines. So we're clean enough, the   animals are safe, they're also disease-free. Um  we meet a number of standards and have an annual   inspection. Um the other thing that's unique to  care is that we still are an open intake shelter.   So we are taking owner surrendered pets from the  community. um we're able to keep a balance of the   animals in our care so that somebody who's in  crisis has a place to take their pet when their   needs change. Um and that's important for public  safety again because that's just going to become a   stray animal if there's nowhere to take it. So  if someone's displaced from housing, which is   happening quite a bit right now, um and they can't  find pet friendly housing in the community, that   animal arrives at care. Um, if we weren't open  to that, then it would probably become a stray   animal or potentially a problem for the public.  Um, I won't read through that whole list, but   um, feel free to chime in with any questions on  that. I do want to get through this quickly. Um,   our community programs are all funded through our  fundraising initiatives. So, the great part about   participating in our shelter is that we do all  this fundraising work and we create all of these   programs that go above and beyond. So, we have  a pet food bank. Um, we provide free microchips.   We have lowcost vaccines. Um, we're doing work  to help keep people keep their pets as often as   possible. Um, little man here, um, was displaced  after his owner committed suicide. He arrived with  

a dog sibling at the shelter after originally been  taken to Red Hill. Um, little man was with us for 152 days. Um, he had major allergy problems  and was kind of a tough tough cat. um but did   find a new home. Um Emy's pictured here. She's  an example of an owner surrender. Um she was   living near Glenwood Springs High School. Um  the owner received numerous citations for her   getting out out of the yard and was causing  problems. She arrived as a relinquished pet.   Um she's still waiting for a home after  56 days. Um I'd love to run through these   stats real quickly just so you know. Um, the  last time we spoke, um, you all asked that I   specify exactly which animals arrived at  the shelter from within city limits. So,   all the animals listed here did arrive from within  city limits. Um, 60 stray pets, that's 31 dogs,   28 cats, and a bird. Um, owner surrendered pets,  which are most important two categories for us to   talk about, 54 owner surrendered pets. Uh,  25 dogs, 23 cats, and six exotic pets. Um,   we had 36 people from Glenwood participate in our  own pet and low vaccine services and then we did   transfer in the four animals from Red Hill that  originally arrived there through the PD. So in   total out of our 924 animals served this past year  um 154 of those um had Glenwood Springs addresses. This guy is Sloan. He was a stray from  Glenwood. He took quite a while to get   adopted, 85 days. Um had arrived from  a citizen and just never reclaimed. So   um unfortunately that's the case for  probably 50 to 60% of stray animals.

Uh tonight I really hope that we consider finding  a way to fund the shelter long term um with the   city. Um, I don't think it's fair for that burden  to be entirely on the police department. Um,   I also don't know that a granting program is the  right place for our services. Um, we consider this   to be an essential service to the community.  Uh, as you can see by these numbers, there's   a need for it. Um, residents of Glenwood Springs  are going to have animals, whether they get them   from us or somewhere else. Um, those animals are  going to cause some problems at some point. Um,   and we like to think that our work has really kept  this a great city for pet owners and for animals   who are displaced. So, there is always a safe  place for them to land. As long as we're here,   there's not going to be a problem with stray  animals in Glendon Springs. We also ensure   that there's not going to be feral cat colonies in  Glenwood Springs. Um, or that unsafe animals are   adopted out into homes. Um, also if there's a bite  in the community, we are well versed in a 10-day   bite quarantine. Um, we are well well versed in  decision-m for youth in Asia if that needs to   happen. So the tough things that work for the city  are what happened at the animal shelter. Um, I'd   love to be creative and find a solution for this.  For right now, I'm asking for some funding for   2026 so that we can move forward with this work.  Um, I'll show you quickly that our budget for the   shelter is huge. Um, and we do a large amount of  fundraising, about 55% of our budget is directly   from donors. Um, another 10% from grants. Um,  the county is still providing 25 27%. Um, that's   a big drop from where we were in the past. When  I started this job 10 years ago, the county was   funding half of our operating budget. But to keep  up with rising costs and now decreased funding   from the county, um it's just important that we  have participation from all the municipalities   and that we keep this going is something that's  just a sure thing. Um so I'd love to find a line  

item that can stay a part of the city budget or an  accommodation for the police department budget to   include the animal shelter. Um that's it for our  presentation. Um big thank you from everybody.   Again, we're asking for $7,500 this year. We  anticipate that about 150 15 animals served   as strays and owner surreners would be covered  under that amount of money. Um that dollar per   pet is about $65 per animal that comes in through  those two intakes. Happy to answer questions and   uh available to work on this later or go into  any topics needed. All right. Excellent. Well,   thank you very much for the information. Um,  we'll start with Council Shreter. Thank you. Um,   I'll have questions of Steve too, but first  question, thank you very much. We had an episode   this week that involved you very favorably. I'll  comment on that later because it's not a question,   but one question I have is you have Garfield  County listed. I don't see any neighboring towns   listed besides ours. Could you explain or expand?  Yes. Um, Newcastle is currently um providing   animal sheltering through Journey Home and Rifle.  Um, they currently don't have a budget to provide   anything to care and they're identifying Journey  Home as their their town shelter. Um, we do work   closely with Carbondale. We've been trying to  recruit the Carbondale PD to um start delivering   strays to the shelter. Um, I'm also putting forth  an additional ask for them to find funding for   the citizen strays that come from Carbondale.  that is a slightly smaller number. So, we hope   that that's proportionate to the animals that are  coming in. Um, but they have been providing some   grant funding u between two and $4,000 the past  few years. Um, and that's in the grant section of   our budget. I didn't identify that that was from  Carbondale. I'm sorry. Thank you. Um, and may I  

ask Steve a question now at this point? Steve,  should we um should we allocate funds to care   either on a one-off right now or eventually more  ongoing? Where would the where do you recommend   the funds would come from? So, we have um we fund  requests like this typically through uh grants   in our ANI fund that are awarded through the  financial advisory board. If you guys wanted to   grant funds to care or any other organization like  this, it would have to come from our general fund. And can it? Yeah, you guys could  direct me to give them funds from   the city manager discretionary fund.  Thank you. Thank you, Councelor. I've been to your facility. I've made  some donations up there. It's a great   facility. The services you provide are  extraordinary. Thank you. I'm I'm uh I'm concerned about budgets altogether going  forward, ours, yours, and and others. What is your   level of confidence that you're going to be able  to continue to provide services if with our $7,500   contribution should we make it? Uh my confidence  is high. Um, we have been diligently moving money   into reserves for the past 10 years. Um, that  grew from about $250,000 in our reserve accounts   um to about a million dollars right now. With our  current operating budget, if we went back to basic   services, we can be funded for up to two years on  our reserves alone. So, um, I hope that doesn't   make us sound rich, but we're all prepared. Um, we  hope that that gives us that that steady backing  

to know that we're going to be able to keep doing  this work and that's what that money is there for.   Also, if there were ever a time that we needed  to decrease services, um, the essential services   that I talked about today, which are stray animal  intake and owner surrendered pet housing, would be   those that continue. If we had to decrease things,  it would be some of the extra stuff that we fundra   for, such as um lowcost vaccines or assistance  with behavior. So, I'm I'm highly confident that   we'd be able to keep those essential services  going. And I was impressed that the the   organization was started on a volunteer basis. How  much of your staff now is still volunteer? We have   uh 250 active volunteers in our database. Um, we  just did our year-end calculations. Um, I didn't   bring the exact number with me, but um, we counted  every volunteer hour at a $20 an hour rate,   and it was about $20,000 worth of volunteer time  through the year. Um, 3,000 volunteer shifts that   have been filled. Um, and we rely on those people  for, um, helping with cleaning in the shelter,   um, supporting animal transportation,  um, and then hosting our events as well. Very good. Thank you. Uh, thank you, Councelor  Townsley, please. Uh, question for you,   Steve. If if instead of doing this on a grant  basis every year and doing something like that,   but make it count by an item, would that also  come from general fund or is where would you   do if we said we wanted to make this an ongoing  contribution? So, I think we would see this as   kind of a public safety um initiative and  that is funded through our general fund.   And then I would just say again I you know coming  to us with something where it's already half over   half funded by private donations and and working  that part of it. I think that's really good. Also  

you know I think you said 16% of your animals were  from Glenwood Springs and 1% of the budget's what   you're asking for. I think maybe your ask is  not enough. I would I would I would lean that   direction also. Um, our goal in our goal in 2022  when we were talking to the chief at that time   was to try to get that dollar amount to closer to  $20,000 a year. Um, again, that was too much for   the per animal costs for what comes through the  PD, but I think your service is excellent. Thanks.   Thank you. Thank you, Council Sher. Please, Steve,  refresh us on history. Was this a line item in our   public safety budget at one time or has it all  come through FAB in the past? what how is it? So,   we've funded care in two ways in the past. One  is through a financial advisory board grant that   we have given them in the past and the other is  through a service, right? So, we would take our   animals that we found strays and stuff up to  care. Uh we've since um chosen to use Red Hill   and Carbondale um instead of care, which is um  why that part of his funding has disappeared. Thank you. Any other questions? Um Councelor  Townsler, what was the just from a historical   perspective, what was the amount of money  that was going in prior to the Red Hill   decision and and do we spend with Red Hill  now? We spend a little bit less now than we   did before. I want to say that the line item  that we put into the budget was, I think,   $10,000. Okay. Uh that was a budget plug  and I think that we paid as we went as we   dropped uh pets off at the facility if I'm not  mistaken. Okay. And that's similar to what we're   paying now. Yeah, it's fairly similar. Yeah.  Thanks. Thank you, Councelor Smith. Thank you.   My physical questions already got asked and  answered. So, thank you for all of that. Um,   I have two curiosity questions. You spoke  about voluntary surreners, I think is a  

term you used. Do those tend to be temporary or  people are giving them up for good? Permanently,   usually. Um, there are some rare instances where  someone's situation changes shortly after making   that decision and they're able to reclaim  their pet. Um, but I would say 95% of those   are are a one-time surrender and at that point  we seek a new home for the animal. Thank you. What does the shelter have a have advice or  views on open roaming cats? Cats that do have   homes but are let loose outdoors and and do you  relay that advice whatever it is? We do. Um yes,   we have a policy for our cats that are adopted  from the shelter that they be indoor only. Um,   our point of view is that that's the safest thing  for the cat. Um, our concern is their well-being   and community safety. So, um, a cat who's kept  inside is going to be kept safe from any disease   exposure. Um, also, um, will be safe from being  killed by wildlife or ran over by a car. Um, so   you would think that stray dogs are a big issue,  but there are more stray cats running around   um that people never find again. So, our advice  is that every every cat adopted from the shelter   stay indoor only. Thank you. Okay. Counselor  Schmall, please. H how many of the stray dogs   that are brought in? Are you able to identify  an owner for? It's somewhere between 40 and 60%   that are returned to their owner. Um, I think  the number this year was 85 that were returned   to the owner from Glenwood of the number that  we took in. Might be off on the percentage. And   that's that's from your end. From from our  end, John, do we generally try even try to  

identify an owner if if if the department  is picking up a dog to deliver somewhere? Yes, we do. We use social media and we reach out  to the both Red Hill and CARE to help facilitate   re uh reunification. And are there are there  charges that those owners incur due to their   lack of responsible ownership? Yes, there are.  And do those do those charges help offset his   costs? Um for us, u so if we're receiving a stray  animal right now, um it's not coming directly from   the police department. is coming from a citizen.  Um when we do identify the owner and they come to   the shelter, um we charge a $30 per day fee. Um  we are not exceptionally strict about that. So   if someone can't afford that but they want  their pet back, we try to make that happen   because we don't want another homeless pet. Um  but we do ask for a $30 a day boarding fee. Um,   and that is part of the rationale behind asking  the city to find some funding is that we'd hate   to increase all of those costs for residents  and pet owners um to try to cover our costs,   which is would just be too much. Understand  completely. Um, I always try to relay back the   source of the of the cost to be the the payee, the  bearer. Uh, and I hate I hate to see irresponsible   pet owners cost the taxpayers money or or your  operation to go out of business. Thank you,   Council Shack. Thank you. Um, [clears throat] I'm  trying to understand some pet circulation here. Do   we have a rough idea on in general how many pets  we send to Red Hill and how many Red Hill pets  

end up at care? Do we know what happens there?  I don't know the exact amount that went to Red   Hill before arriving at care. Um, during our time  with the police stray holding contract, that was   between 10 and 15 dogs primarily a year. Um, so  if that number were true, um, we took in four that   arrived from Red Hill in 2025. So somewhere around  40% of 10, but I'm not sure if we have the current   number. And is that roughly our count? 10 to 15  pets a year. John, so I'm just gonna make you   lean over talking. It's your stats. Where's his  mic? I don't know. It's okay. I have loud books,   too. We're trying to tell you something. So, in  200 in 2024, we sent 46 uh animals up to Red Hill   and 64 in 2025. And it sounds like four went to  hair after not being able to uh find their owners.   You said 64 this year, correct? The last four in  2025. Yes. And four to you? Yeah. Okay. Thank you.   That's a much bigger number than I expected. We  didn't see that number during our time with the   contract, but I think they have changed. You  good? Yeah. Thank you. Any other questions? Uh   my my interest is why did we change to Red Hill?  That was a business decision that was made two   or three years ago and I'm not really familiar  with all of the uh variables, but I think that   um uh it had a little bit to do with cost. the  travel was about as far. It's a little easier   to get to in the winter because going up spring  bounty is tough. Our officers have to leave cell   phones coverage for a little while. So, there's  a little bit of a a safety issue there. So,   there were a number of of, you know, things that  went into that decision, but it wasn't anything  

against the service that Care provides or who they  are. Okay. Thank you. I would add one more part of   that was that in 2022 um on behalf of our board  of directors I was trying to increase the amount   that we were asking for but again we were really  trying to compensate for the entirety of the work   um and that wasn't necessarily just the animals  coming through the police department. So right   we'd love for that to be more reasonable for the  PD to come straight to the shelter. Um, but to   hit a number that works for us, we just needed  we needed more. So, in that conversation, um, it   did present as a lot for the police department to  try to put in their budget. Okay. Excellent. Well,   thank you for all your information. Any other  questions? Councelor Tanley, a quick question.   Do you think you're going to have any luck, and  I'll get to why I'm asking this question a little   bit. Do you think you'll have any luck with an ask  from Carbondale? I do. I feel I feel like they've   been generous in the grant that they've provided  in the in the past. Um it's been a small amount,   but I'd like to see an increase there. Um we did  have some positive conversations with the police   department. Um whether or not they choose  to drive out of Carbondale to come up to   the shelter is a big ask for them. Um so we may  not be able to move the stray holding contract,   but um I do think we'll find some grant  funding from that and I will push for that.   Um, Steve, you said uh discretionary fund, city  manager discretionary fund. We have that every   year. And I'm just curious, how did we do last  year? Did we spend it all? Did we How does How   do we spend that? Usually, we put uh $200,000  a year, I think, into that fund. And last year,   uh, in 2025, I think we ended up  spending about $50,000 of that. And it's and it's January, so it's  got to be the coffers are full. Well played, Mr. Mayor, thank you. Uh, okay.  Uh, one more. One more. Councelor Shack,  

thank you. How how often do we look at or  have competing um stray holding contracts? Uh,   we will look at all of our business  relationships every year, you know,   as we go along. The last time that we really  dug into it, I think, was probably in 2022. And   have you submitted a bid since then? uh just  this year at the um in not at the FAB but at   to the city as a contract. Um I did share it  with the police chief. Um I didn't we didn't   get much traction on that communication. So I'm  not sure how far that proposal went, but we did   reduce that. Um and we do have the option to  reduce that further if it makes it work. The   perfect scenario is that all the animals arrive  at the shelter and we can work from there. Um, I   just I don't want to burden the police department  with that entire ask for the financial part of it. Okay, enough questions. Thank you very much  everyone. Thanks for being here. Appreciate   it. Uh, anybody from the public have any input on  care and our funding or possible funding? We'll   see none. We'll bring it back to council. Uh,  entertaining a motion. I think I'm going to see a   motion to see whether we want to fund this or not.  So, who's ready to do a motion? Councelor Tanley,   you know, I want to get comment on this as well,  but I'll go ahead and make the motion and so we   can comment, right? I I think there should be a a  line item budget that we do on a continual versus   basis versus a one-time ask on here and continue  to go through it. think it's a service that if I   look at you know value for dollars it's what the  community gets out of it not only from his graphs   but also just personal knowledge and having worked  up there and seen their operation I think we're   getting a huge amount of benefit for a very small  ask of money uh the other thing that I'd like to  

do is is make move motion that we give them the  7500 they're asking for and we agree to increase   that if Carbondale will match it up to 15,000 and  just give our people up in Carbondale a little a   little bump like that. Maybe see if we can raise  some more money for them by hitting a competitive   streak. All right, let me let me see if I heard  this correctly. Your your mot your motion is to   give them 7500 on an ongoing basis for the general  fund. 7500 for the request right now, but then you   want to also move this onto the budget. Correct.  That's all part of the motion. And then you would   like to increase it by 7,500 bucks if carbonale  matches correct our our contribution. Okay,   that's the motion. Everybody understands?  I think we do. Can I get a second for that? Council Shack. For discussion purposes, I  will second the motion. Okay. Thank you.   Uh let's start the discussion. Dave, you're  still on, but I think Yeah. Okay. Thank you,   Councilor Shacker. Um, I appreciate this, Dave.  I'm not sure I want to quite go like that without   some caveats. I'm still not sure that we should be  funding. I I'd like to see care. I I contribute to   them. I had a great episode the other day where we  had a stray unidentified. We took it up to care.   They identified the chip. They gave the owner  tag great experience. My point is I'm not sure   how to proceed with your motion without annual  contracts between Red Hill or Care. I'm not sure,   you know, if it's coming out of our public  safety budget or wherever Steve finds it. If  

we have a if we have a bid from Red Hill more  competitive than the bid from care, how do we   rationalize that ongoing line item? I'd like to  discuss that um and kind of go from that as far   as discussion before I I'm supportive of care,  but I'm not sure from a business point of view,   how do we deal with two entities that are bidding  for the same service? I think Can I go ahead and   answer? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So, I think that Well,  then you got to get kicked. Well, I got to find   you. Where are you? There you are. There you go.  As I understand it, and correct me if I'm wrong,   but but Red Hill's providing a service. We're  paying for that service. What the gentleman's told   us is that he's still providing a service to us  even though they don't have that contract with us   that they're taking quite a few. They're they're  really providing a great service for the people of   Glenwood Springs. We're going in and saying that,  "Wow, you guys are raising we're we're at 1% of   their budget right now and which we didn't give  them. their 16% of their cost is coming at least   for 16% of their animals the services they're  providing way in excess of that. So I I think that   we're we should be stepping up to the plate and  Steve maybe can say yeah there's a better way to   do this and I'm not tied into doing it a certain  way. I just wanted to get the motion out there.   I just don't think that we're supporting I think  we should be supporting them at least for their   ask and maybe more of that and you know if we can  thank if we can do something that maybe bumps one   of our neighboring towns into helping too then  that gets them more money for their services and   so I'm open it changes in any any way of forming  it but I appreciate that perspective and I was   actually inclined to consider more than their ask  anyway. I don't know how we would build into it   that um or should we or it's separate that with  this if we're doing this annual funding we also  

ask care to also compete or submit annually for  the stray dog contract as well. So we have both of   them as well possibly bidding and still find a way  to do the grant for the general public service. Councelor, um I I support all of your motion,  David, except the ongoing funding. I think I   think we can encourage Steve to try to figure out  a way to make it an ongoing process, but for the   purposes of the motion tonight, I think that I  support it for this year with the encouragement   to go on. Thank you, Mayor Protemer. Yeah, I was  going to ask a question around that. Um, since the   organization is outside of city limits, is that  problematic for us to fund it as a budgetary item?   No, not necessarily. I feel a little bit like I  would like to agree with budget with the motion   for tonight, but pull the ongoing um budget  until we have a budget conversation for 2027.   I think for 2026 we should fund it and then have  a you know maybe another presentation or another   conversation for 2027. Thank you, Council Wymer.  So, I think I actually support the other half of   the motion. Um, so, you know, I'm sitting here  thinking, you know, it's it's the first meeting   of 2026 and we've got, you know, a great applicant  coming forward asking for for some money. And I   think we're going to see this every meeting. and  and I'm I'm trying to establish how I'm going to  

think about these requests in 2026 when um there's  no snow on the ground, we have no tourists,   um we have one run open at sunlight, Aspen is  50% open, uh the federal, you know, the feds   um clamping down on the state and Colorado state,  Colorado local municipalities. I think it's going   to be an incredibly difficult year u for us uh  fiscally, financially. Um I hate saying that   and I have I have four pets. Three of them were  rescues, right? And I and I'm happy to go home   tonight and write you a check personally, right?  To not 7,500, but you know, but like come on,   help with it, right? Like love to be able to. But  um but like this isn't this isn't about how who I   support or don't support. I think it I'm trying to  establish my own mental uh philosophy uh for the   year. Um and I think I'm going to be almost always  a no on on these sorts of requests at least until   I personally feel better about things. Um the the  reason I support the other half is because I would   love for us to figure out how in the budget um to  create space for these services at actually like   at a higher level like let's call it 25 grand or  something like that like actually what the service   is worth for us but it's got to be part of the fis  of the annual budgeting planning process knowing   that that 25 grand is going to come at [clears  throat] the expense of something else. Right. and   then we have to make that decision. So, so where  I stand tonight is that is that I would I'm gonna   I am going to vote no against the 7500 uh one-time  thing, but you know, I would my mindset is that I   would encourage for us to figure out how to how  to get that number up to a something that makes  

sense, 20, you know, 25 grand allow care to enter  into the to the 2027 budgeting uh process. process   um and hopefully end up serving them much more  responsibly than than a than a 7500 onetime thing.   Okay. Thank you, Mayor Prom Solinsky, please.  Yeah. So, on the heels of that, I would like to   offer a friendly amendment. I'd like to go back  to just the the ask of 7500 um and then put it on   for consideration for the 2027 budget. Would you  would you entertain my friendly amendment? As long   as we put it if we re look at it and I think we  look at making this because it's just like Dave,   give me the microphone, please. Would would you  go to let's since we're since we're tickering,   let's go to 10,000 because the dogs are going to  show up there this year. They're not pulled off   per year. In my head, I thought about that. So,  I I could live with that if that's an amendment   that's reasonable to the seconder. That would be  and yeah, no more match. No. And then we look at   and then we just look at funding council said  of going let's let's participate in this issue   on an ongoing budget basis. I think that's a  great idea. I agree. Okay. Thank you. So let   me just restate the motion. Y so so we're clear  at this point. The motion is to fund $10,000 out   of the city manager's discretionary fund with no  nothing else. You guys don't want to try to put   the needle to Carbonale just a little bit. What's  that? Never [laughter] mind. Never mind. Okay. So,   that's the motion. Will you amend your second?  Council Shaker. Oh, I got to turn you there.   You sure? Yes. Okay. We have discussions  purposes. A new motion. A new motion and a  

second. Councelor Shakar. I'm torn. He's not on.  Yeah. Stop pushing the buttons. Well, you know,   give me some senior respect. Um, I am torn because  of my affection for care and pets. what councelor   Wymer reminded me of and us of, we've been through  this hoops and we said pretty adamantly that these   oneoffs are going to be pretty hardnosed because  we have the FAB process and the FAB process those   apps are opening up what next month or this month.  Um, so I am a bit torn um because it does put us   in that dilemma. Which ones do we say yes to?  Which ones do we say no to? Why did FAB turn   them down? That's a whole different story. And  we are entering a we'll have a new budget process   that we could consider it for our 2027 budget  once we know a little foresight as to what is   happening in 2026, which we don't know. So I won't  commit my vote at this point but I'm expressing my   reservation in line of what Mitchell said and what  we have set up here on the dis before about the   whole FAB process. So it was a tough one. Thank  you. Thank you councelor Smith. Thank you. Uh   replaying from the tape uh comments from councelor  Wymer and councelor Chapter. I agree. Okay. Mayor   Pro Tim Silinski. Yeah. So, I'm I'm leaning into  his history. We did not That's what the city   manager's discretionary budget is for. Um we've  used that judiciously in the past and I believe we   will continue to do so. Um this did go before FAB  and they chose not to fund it and so there is not  

another recourse right now. And so I feel like for  for the year of 2026, we don't have necessarily   another vendor that would provide this service  for our community. And I think we've all kind of   expressed it as a high valued service. And so I  feel like that's a good use of those funds at a   level that I personally am comfortable with. Thank  you. Any other comments? See none. Uh I'm fully in   favor of funding care to almost any amount. I mean  within reason, but I'm also in favor of putting it   in discussion or on discussion or on on workshop  when we when we do budget starting in July,   I guess. Um I don't I don't know why it  can't be a I mean public safety, police,   how do we increase the police budget to make it  fit? I mean, that might be an ignorant question,   but there's got to be a way. Well, we have a  line item for donations if we give something to   another entity. So, I mean, conceivably we could  put it there in a future budget period instead   of taking out a general fund, which is always  always the issue. But with the with the Yeah,   I I think we should definitely look at where  we could pull it from when the time comes. So,   um, with that, I will call for the question.  Is everybody clear on a motion? Restated,   please. The motion is to fund care for $10,000  one time right now. And yeah, that's the motion.   That's the motion. Manager discretionary fund from  at this point the manager's discretionary fund.   That is correct. With the understanding that  we could look at that with the understanding   that budget cycle comes around, we'll talk about  what to do with I will call for the questioner. Yes, Councelor Townsley. Yes, Mayor  Prom Zinsky. Yes, Mayor Dame. No,  

Councelor Wymer. No, Councelor Schmall. No,  Councelor Smith. Yes, Councelor Shakar. It   passes 43. Right. Excellent. Thank you very  much. Thank you for being here. Good luck   with your operation. You You're providing a  great service. Thank you. Okay. Item eight,   healthy beverage presentation. That would be  you. I can tee this up real quick. Mr. Mayor,   Christine Dolan is here. She's the nutrition  programs manager for Garfield County Public   Health and she has been doing um sort of  the council meeting circuit recently in the   valley talking about um uh you know sugary  drinks particularly for children and the   dangers thereof. So we invited her in to give  a brief presentation tonight. Okay. Thank you. I looked around each time you go down. Thank you very much.  You're welcome. Good evening. Thanks for the   introduction. Um I work as you mentioned Garfield  County Public Health. Just to give you an overview   of the work that I do, I'm the Wick's program  director for the county and then I also work on   maternal and child health. We have a produce to  early childhood educator program so that we can   um give them some money or some produce to  share with the children in their care and   teach them about um fruits and vegetables and  the importance of that in their diet. work with   the senior congregate meals. One of my staff does  the menus for those programs. Cooking matters. So,   it's a nutrition and cooking program for lowincome  families cooking on a budget. Part of the mountain  

coalition for food and nutrition security. And so  that is like public health and DHS from Pitkin,   Eagle, Garfield, Lift Up, uh Valley Meals  and more. and we work on food access issues.   And then the thing that I'm talking about  tonight is the healthy beverage partnership.   You should have gotten in an original  packet like a a larger version of this   um project. So if you have questions of who  our partners are, but we are the only um we are the only rural partner and it is a lot  of front range partners. So we are focusing on   sugary beverages um to try to reduce consumption  because just one sugary beverage a day increases   your risk of heart disease by 33% diabetes  by 25% too much weight for health by 55% and   kidney stones by 23%. Okay. Um, so this is um some  local data which is a little challenging to get,   but it's part of the healthy kids survey. Um, and  I just noticed where it says Roaring Fork High   School, it should say high schools. So it's the  Roaring Fork School District. And you can see from   2019 say to 2023, the rates of consumption of at  least one soda um in a week's time has increased.   And this is sports drinks and energy drinks.  So you can see across the board it's a a higher   rate of consumption and kids are shifting um  into purchasing those kind of kind of items.

Chronic disease rates and dental carries by  municipality. Lemwood's not doing too bad.   um a little bit higher than the state average  for obesity. Um and then the dental carries.   And the thing about dental carries, there's not  necessarily like a state average apples to apples,   but the statistic is about 30% of kindergarters  have some tooth decay. And these are these numbers   here with that light blue line and a little above  30% would be um high school and middle schoolers. Okay. So, what to do? Um, part of the work I'm  doing implement public awareness campaigns,   like I said, working with child care providers.  Um, different groups. We through the wick program   and providing books about sugary beverages  to kids and families and doing presentations,   things like that. So, just trying to get the word  out. And a few years ago, we did have some money   and were able to uh purchase water bottle fillers  for all the schools in the county. Um so they had   at least one and so trying to make water more  accessible. Um building on federal standards for   um sugary drink restrictions like in schools the  vending machines are locked during the day and   then they unlock them at the end of the day.  there is some movement around like in schools   um like less sugary yogurts and so  taking a look at some of the products.   Um so just trying to build off of those  things. Um as you probably know March 1   um if you receive food stamps you will not be able  to buy sodas, soft drinks or sweetened drinks. And  

honestly I could argue either side of that. Um but  that's starting March 1st. Um and then restricting   marketing and advertising of sugary drinks um  to children, youth, and lowincome populations.   Um I wrote it on a different piece of paper, but  R.J. Reynolds owns like Hawaiian Punch, I think,   and um Philip Morris owns like one of the other  ones. Maybe it's Kool-Aid. But so essentially they   use the same marketing template for tobacco  and it's transferred to sugary beverages. I know it's been a while since we saw  Fred Flintstone smoke a cigarette,   but it's essentially the same thing using um  characters kids are fond of to promote a product.   So, another option is increasing the price of  sugary drinks through either tax or fees. Um,   what one of our partners are doing, well, a  couple of our partners, one of our partners on   the front range is Boulder and as you probably  know, they have a sugary beverage tax. Um and   then another of our partners is um trying to  work through the process of applying a fee and   then that money collected from the sugary  beverage um fee decreases the consumption   because people don't want to pay more and the  money goes to um fund their food access work in   their community. So for food banks and pantries  and things like that we have been working on is   um working with restaurants. It's called the  healthy drinks and kids menus. Um and so if you   go to a restaurant and they bundle a kids meal,  it's hamburger, French fries, and a drink that the   the option that automatically comes with the meal  if they do bundle it is a healthy option. So milk,  

water, like a a salsa, flavored salsa or something  like that. so [clears throat] that when the weight   staff comes to the table, they're not offering  those things first off. Um, and so that's our   goal is to get 100% compliance. I've looked at  and visited a few of the restaurants in Glenwood   Springs and most restaurants are very eager to  either do the right thing or participate. So,   we're hoping that once we get a better idea of  where we stand in the community that potentially   there'd be either a policy or some guidance with  something behind it so that there's a kind of an   institutionalization of that idea of um trying  to do better by families because they typically   people are eating out four to five times a week  and if a soda or even a lemonade is offered that   many times um you start run into problems. So, um,  basically that's what I have. I'm curious about   feedback. You have questions, thoughts about the  taxation, fees, kind of level of of interest in   um, what it would take to to change some of the  habits and purchasing and consumption of sugars.   Okay. Thank you very much. A lot of information.  Back to council. Any questions? Councelor Smith. Thank you. Thank you, Christine. This is  very helpful. Um, and I think you answered the   first question I noted this afternoon. These  Roaring Fork High School, Roaring Fork Middle   School, that includes Cleo Springs. Yes. High  School, Springs Middle School mixed in with all   the others. Um, I think I remember correctly that  eight or 10 years ago, our middle school and our  

high school either removed soft drink machines or  at least upped the healthiness of the mix in the   machines. Is that do I remember that correctly?  And is that a a technique that helps? So having   options is helpful. Um but they are always are  mixed you know op options in the machines. The   machines are locked during the school day so the  kids can't have them and they don't offer those   things on what they call competitive food.  So it's like kind of the alak cart part of   of the lunchroom where you could potentially buy  something. You just need one item. So you can't   buy but you can buy things like um chocolate milk  um and juices. I I'm honestly not sure if there's   other things available, but my understanding is  there would not. Okay. Thanks. Looking at these   numbers with our schools mixed in and seeing that  the trend is to drink more at least of the soda,   uh the the other drinks are kind of off the charts  for everybody. Um, is there a target other than   zero sugary drinks per day? Well, um, so if you  look at different communities that have taken this   on, if a beverage has five grams or more or more  than five grams of sugar in it, it's considered a   sugary beverage. So something that's sweetened to  a lesser extent would still clear the bar. Oh, so   okay that's that's a different question which is  helpful. Um so is your is your target measured in   sugar total intake or is it measured in number of  cans of pop? This chart say yeah this chart tells  

what's going on. What would you rather see that  chart show? So, I guess if I was saying ideally   um that kids wouldn't drink sugary drinks, doesn't  seem like there's a real upside. Um energy drinks,   a lot of them are um sugarf free. Oh, but because  the kids are going for the caffeine instead.   Um so, let's see. I guess I would say yeah, on  occasion, on a you know, a special occasion. So,   I would say less than one a week would be  a good goal. Um, but the problem is that   it's available so readily and it's relatively  cheap and you know kids are um the target and   as we all know you know marketing is um a hard  thing to resist. We all buy and do things that   we don't intend to because of what we don't even  think through but it's just some pressure from   um you know rewarding ourselves or there's some  image that comes with the product and you know   there's lots of reasons besides I'm thirsty or  I need some sugar or I want some sugar I guess.   Thank you. I'm asking these questions because I'm  learning from colleagues at um councelor Schmal   at the head of the line to look for actions and  results cost and and effect cost and benefit. Um   if if we were to look at some of these options of  taxation or price increases or other constraints   seems that would be more tempting if we had a  measure of success to look for. So the expectation  

with like a fee or a tax is about a 30% drop in  consumption. Um the challenge in some place so say   Glenwood went ahead and did something that people  would just go outside of Glenwood city limits   and purchase whatever. It's, you know, very  similar to purchasing cigarettes. So really,   it's probably best instituted if  there was something going to happen   in a regional level. Okay. Thanks. In  addition, last question. in addition to the the remedies or the or the temperings that  you suggest. What what about that question of   access? Uh and I'm asking specifically for the  city. Best I can tell our our community center is   the one spot where we have sugary drinks open and  available in a facility that serves a lot of young   people. And it's right. It's right across from the  the entry. It's right next door to the daycare.   Should we take that out? Should we change the the  the content? Is that something the city could do?   I think these little kids probably hardly could  reach to put their money in a machine like that,   but every day they come out of child care and  there it is. And that is just part of their   reality after a while that you know these labels  they recognize them they want them you know the   big kids are getting them so I think yeah putting  them someplace else would be a great step. Thank   you. Thank you Mayor Prom Solinski please. So  in your measure, do you differentiate between   like beverages that have natural sugar like a  fruit juice? So in this work and in the healthy  

beverage partnership like in if we were doing  a project or a program with the restaurants,   we're saying don't offer juice. However, there  is a difference. I mean there's a few vitamins,   minerals, there's some things that are um at  least healthier. However, you metabolize like   a thing of juice and a thing of soda in the same  way and the problems become you know a large dose   of sugar in the form of a drink um that your body  turns the excess into fat and particularly around   your abdomen which is what leads to diabetes. So  I I I do understand that. I'm just I'm curious if   you're proposing in a perfect world if you were  able to put your tax or fee or whatever on would   would fruit juice No. So this would just be like  a So it's basically like an added sugar. So not   a naturally occurring sugar. Got it. And would  that um Okay. So now we have beverages that are,   you know, like a you've got vitamin water that's,  you know, marketed as a sports drink, but really   it's pretty sugar bomb with a few electrolytes  and vitamins in it. But then you've got, you know,   recharge, which is like the natural ger version  of that. Do those get regulated the same? I don't   know. What I do know is so the five gram level  um and so most of those would have that and would   have to be added sugar. So if it's five well if  it's juice, it's not going to count towards the   the glucose or the sugar load in that beverage.  Okay. This seems like very complex. Um and you   know also I is Glenn Springs are we the only  open campus school? because I know that's they   just walk. I have an office in Rifle too and um  I see them come down the hill and city market and  

my my office is right on the corner so I see what  they buy and back. So to councelor Smith's point,   I don't think the vending machines are an  issue. They're not buying it at school.   So, do you have other areas that have adopted  this sort of a structure for like reference   to see if it really truly has changed behavior or  if it has had any unintended consequences amongst   the greater community? So, um you know, I can pull  data on like Boulder and um the other county that   um I will not name because they haven't moved  ahead with anything yet. Um to just see what   they've come up with. The statistic that  I'm familiar with is about a 30% drop. Um,   you know, I've read in like various nations  and things that it's less it's less of a drop,   but they are happy with the income generated  from the fee because then they can use it for   like medical conditions like dialysis or whatever  medical things that people end up needing. So, thank you Any other questions? I guess this is a  presentation, so it can be comments or questions   because there's no action really needed,  I don't think, in this item. So, I think,   well, maybe let's do this quick. Let's uh have  the public um give input if anybody's here for   that item. I'll see none. We'll move on and then  bring it back to us for comments or ways forward   or however you guys want to structure this.  It's fine with me. Mayor Pro Tim Stalinski,   I'm sorry. I have one more question that you  may have covered and I've just glossed over it,   but alternative to a fee or an additional cost  because, you know, we have just had our own public  

improvement sales tax that went on and then now  there's childcare tax and so I think we have fee   fatigue, tax fatigue. I'm don't know that I could  be in supportive of adding that on at least at   this time. Is there any other alternative outreach  education, anything in the interim that is being   done that can start to move this needle a little  bit? Yeah. And I'm honestly not proposing attacks.   I'm trying to get a sense in the community. So,  you're my last municipality tonight and honestly,   this is the best discussion as far as how that  might work. Um, most of the time it's like,   yeah, we're not doing that. And I'm just trying  to get a sense like do we kind of push ahead on   some of this work. The Mountain Coalition for  Food Nutrition Security is you know it's lift   up it's Valley Meals it's organizations always in  dire need of funding and as the federal funds are   diminished and state funding and even local you  don't like where do you look right? So in that   case I'm sorry tell me again the rest of your  question. No, I just I was just curious because   like I said, I don't know that I can support  adding any additional cost to especially a   family's food budget, you know, and all other  things aside, you know, whether that's my job   as a, you know, community leader to dictate what  people eat. I think that just on that basis alone,   I don't know that I could support like adding a  fee, but I would be in full support of supporting   some sort of community outreach or education  or, you know, initiatives. I don't know,   like something that you could do in the school,  you know, trying to encourage healthy habits and,   you know, that's work that we're doing um  like with child care providers. the schools,   it's a little bit off limits just because  they kind of have their hands full and they  

do have rules. Yeah. Um but for us, I think the  restaurants are probably and and that's where   I've been putting most of my energy and in talking  to um town and city councils really just trying to   get like a sense of what to do. It's obviously  an issue. Yeah. Um, I don't know that just doing   education is going to solve anything, but I was  thinking about, okay, so, you know, trying to get   people to ride their bike to work or whatever, you  know, and then you have like, you know, raffles   or things like that where they can, you know, I  remember when I was a kid, you know, reading so   many books over summer break got me some at the  library or, you know, like I'm just I'm thinking   of like things like that that can be done to kind  of create, you know, I think a little bit more of   awareness, but also an the call to action.  Thank you. Any other comments or questions? We'll see none. Well, thank you very much  for being here. I just want to add Oh,   sorry. We have a couple besides Big Fins. The um  dental alliance um does a lot of work for us. So,   they are in the schools and when they're doing  their dental exams, they're talking about this   and they we have stickers and magnets, some swag  for the kids. So, um, and then district 16's   family resource center because in our looking at  things that was a higher consumption area. Okay.   Thank you. I somewhat hesitate to throw this  out there, but you know, because I'm I think   I'm follow through where everybody else would as  far as taxing people on something or raising a   fee on it. I don't think I like that idea, but  you know, maybe encouraging our politicians at   a higher level to quit subsidizing corn syrup  would be a great place to start and then you're   going to be against the drug companies that like  the results of subsidizing corn syrup. So, to me,   that would be a great place to start, but I'm  sure that may be out of our discussion tonight.  

The most recent um thing was to drink Coke with  cane sugar. that was proposed instead of corn   syrup which wouldn't help anyone to cover the  cost of corn syrup. It's probably a right a   great place to Okay, thank you counselor Rhymer.  I like how that man thinks. Yep. Uh Hawaiian Hunch   is owned by Kurig Dr. Pepper. Kool-Aid is owned  by Craft Hind. So I think if you go because I've   just looked this up this week up the chain Those  are parent those are parent companies. They are.   Yes. So whatever [clears throat] I saw this week  because I did look that up. Um it was RJ Reynolds   and Philip Morris owned like Tang was one of them.  I don't know if you want to Google that one. The   power of the internet right here. Factchecking in  the outside. All right. Well while you look any   other comments [laughter] or questions? We'll see  none. Well, again, thank you very much for being   here. It was very informative. Raised some  awareness, I think, at least in my end. So,   we're hoping sometimes this spring the MCIN, the  Mountain Coalition Security, will have some kind   of meeting like a community meeting and I'll  send an invite if anyone's interested. Sounds   great. Trying to figure out some sustainability  for food access. Awesome. Thank you very much. Does that mean I have to drink water out of  him? If you don't, everyone's going to know. That's why. Give it to Pete, Christine. Thank  you. Thank you very much. I'll pass. Thank you.   Save it for Thank you. I got We got We We are  all hooked up, but thank you for bringing them.

didn't mean to be didn't want to be impolite,  but now that I have permission, thank you. I   have [laughter] I choose water. It's kind of  cute. It really is. So, all right. Excellent. No. All right. Well, thanks again. Um, moving into  item nine, amendment to the Glenwood Downtown   and professional service agreement. And it  looks like Lee is going to inform us. Yes, you need help, please. That's right. Yeah. There you go. Okay. Wait for We're here. Okay. Are you here? Hi.  Excellent. Mr. Mayor, members of council,   Lee Barger, uh, transportation engineer, here  to give you an update on our 2025 pilot program,   uh, Ride Glenwood on Demand and to explain  our amendment that we are uh, proposing to   the contract for next year's service. So, just to  get into wrership, um started off back in May and   uh we're averaging close to 7,000 rides a day.  Um or sorry, per month. Uh we hit 8,300 back in  

October. Um we're seeing 43% shared rides and uh  average weight time of 23 minutes. Can I interrupt   you quick? Sure. How does this stack up to what  you did you have any expectations? Did you have   any We really weren't sure going in. We're just  kind of comparing to what uh Carbondale and Basalt   have been doing. Um and I believe Carbondale is  around 8,000. So we're we're approaching where   they're at. Uh Basalt's more like four to 5,000 a  month. Okay. Uh so this is uh throughout the month   of December. Uh you can see the last day of the  year we had our second highest day of ridership.   uh 2nd to June 21st of of strawberry days.  Uh this bottom part shows our average weight   times. Um this is something with that has is why  we're asking for the amendment. So from May uh   through August, we had three vehicles in service  at all times and we had a a spare vehicle. Um,   after that we decided our wait times are up around  30 minutes plus, you know, which is longer than   our fixed route that runs through town. So,  we added uh the fourth vehicle and put it   in play uh for the peak times of the day. That  added about $10,000 per month to the contract. This is our heat zone uh or heat map showing,  you know, prominent pickup areas. You can   see downtown. You can see uh hot springs, Iron  Mountain hot springs in the tram. Uh I like to see   these, you know, that are further away from the  mainline or people south Glenwood. Um up here in   uh north or west Glenwood, these are people that,  you know, were probably walking aways to the bus,  

if that. Um and now they're taking this service.  Uh, also see I guess in the yeah in the drop offs   you see a pretty good you know amount of people  down here um in the neighborhood off Midland   which you know had to walk half a mile or more to  get to the courthouse to get to BRT or something   like that. So those are good good highlights.  Um so destination tracking on the left here   you see this is City Market. This is our number  one spot. And when you push that button right   there, [laughter] that's what shows up. So for  the month of uh December, we had um 6 95 trips   total to and from City Market. You see here um  pickup and drop off locations. Our top five,   four of the five are shopping, you know, Walmart,  Target, Marshalls. Um and then we have 27th Street   Station is a big hitter, too. So that's good. Um  seeing this interface between uh the microtransit   and rafta see 12% of all trips um are going to  bus stops not just 27th street station but all   the ones around town um and 2% of the trips are uh  origin or destination is the Amtrak station what   you're probably most interested in is uh the cost  for the project um we had startup costs of about   46 $6,000. Um May to August, as I said, we had we  spent $83,000 a month uh for the service. We had   some additional service with Strawberry Days  in July uh in there, July 4th, where we just   ran that fourth van for that time. Uh September  through December, there's that $10,000 increase   per month. And then uh so the total program  cost for the eight months was 757 $755,000.

And that equates to with the  $1 fee or with the $1 per ride,   um, equates to about 12 to$13 that we're paying  for the ride. Um, and next year's program   cost is is approaching 1.1 million. And that is  again, that's for all 12 months of service. So,   does that include the fourth van? And that  includes Yes. the constant fourth van. The   constant fourth van. Okay. that they take out of  service in the middle of the day when it's quieter   um so they can get service on that vehicle if  they need to. These vehicles do need service from   time to time. Um funding sources. So last year  uh we had a $400,000 grant from RAFTA that the   city matched out of the bus tax fund. Um and that  uh and then last year's fair revenue was uh about   $50,000. Uh this year we upped our grant with  RAFTA and got an extra $123,000 which we will   match. Um and with if we keep this $1 re uh fair  um will be around $85,000 uh in fair revenue for   the year. So that pays for roughly a month of  service. Um so and these are two areas where we   can find funding. We have some other ideas as well  that I'll get to. Uh good news here. Testimonials   that I found. Um these are on the Ride Roaring  Fork app um in the app store. You know,   you're seeing uh use the app in Glenwood Springs.  It was a great way to get around with kids and our   mom who can't walk as much. Drivers were friendly.  Corey and Thomas are my favorite drivers. I always   feel comfortable and safe riding with them. Um,  so good good reviews um that we're getting. Uh,   and the neat thing is we can into the app we can  program in either a survey after the people get  

off. Um, we can have them rate the ride after  they get off. How many of you have ridden it? Great. Just me? Okay. Okay. Did you have shared  rides? Did you have people on board? Were you by   yourself? Definitely shared. Okay. So, a little  both and that's kind of what that's what we're   seeing. Um, so yeah, the [clears throat] plan  ahead is to continue gathering data. Um, we're   going to revisit this $1 fair. Um, that could be  higher. I don't think it would change wrership if   that were $2, maybe $3. Three might be, but $2  I think people would be fine with it, but we're   going to look into that. Um, possibly through a  rider uh survey in April and May. Uh we're looking   at partnering with some of these local businesses.  So I'm going to be going to the tourism board next   month and uh talking with a lot of them about,  you know, can we get some sponsorships? Perhaps   if we end up getting some new vans or a new van  for next year, we'll put some sponsorships on the   side. Um probably continue with the, you know, the  this color scheme we have here because it's very   eye-catching and people like seeing that around  town. Um comments, questions from you. Thank you,   Lee. Um, let's start with questions from Councelor  Townsley. Um, couple quick questions for you.   You know, I've seen that they got the small vans  and then the bigger van. Yes. Do we ever really,   you know, since most of the time when I see people  in them, it's, you know, a couple together or a   couple of family. Is there I assume the bigger  van is more expensive to run, would we be better   served by having more smaller vans than a bigger  van or does that actually used in a particular   case. I think the next van we' we'd get would be  just like the Sienna, the Toyota Sienna minivan.   Um, but I would run that by the Downtowner  folks because they can give me a lot more of,  

you know, how many times are we actually filling  up these vans or more than six riders, you know,   whatever the minivan will hold five, I think. So,  that's right. I kind of that that same question   made me wonder because when I I looked at I just  did a figure as far as the cost per ride. I mean,   kind of like a cab. If I put two people in the  cab versus three people in the cab, it's still   cost per ride as the car is getting from here to  there. So, our cost per ride is actually higher   even though we're moving maybe more people. But  the other question I've got is how is the money   usually paid? Do we have we track how many people  use a card, Apple Pay, cash? Yeah. Uh the reason   for asking is if we up the if we up the fee. So,  it's Yeah. how the um ride is created. So through   the rider app, it's uh we 88% of the rides are  created through the app. So that means you're   you're logged in and your credit cards attached  to that. Um so there's not a lot of people paying.   11% call in and they're probably the ones paying  and then 1% flag them down. Oh, you can flag them   down. Say that again. You can flag them down.  You can. Yeah. If you see him nearby. Well,   that changes again. [laughter] That changes the  cavity. Oh yeah, did not know. But have a dollar.   Rude if I didn't have a dollar ready or let them  know you're there. Yeah, just wave the dollar and   do most them down to use your app. Well, they  use the app. The driver just puts it in. So,   but yeah, you you probably could. I don't know  if that would just order another ride. So, well,   last question. Do the do the drivers get tipped?  They're not supposed to. Okay. Now, they probably   get tips from time to time and I hear about it.  Um, but that's not part of their compensation.   They can't solicit tips. There's no Venmo me  up here kind of thing. Um, okay. Which they  

haven't asked and that's where I've heard about  it. So, and they're not supposed to do it there. Thank you. Um, Mayor Prom Sinsky. Oh, thank  you. Um, so in looking at weight times,   do you if we had the higher capacity since more  shared rides, would that does that ever correlate   to shorter weight times or is it would it need  to be an additional vehicle that would Well, once   we put this other the fourth vehicle in service,  we saw those weight times drop a little bit. So,   in the middle of the summer before we did that,  it was up above 30 and now we're back to like 27,   23, 25. Um, I was checking it during work session  and it went anywhere from today from 23 minutes   for me to get from here to 27th Street Station  to 4 minutes to 32 minutes. So, it it really   fluctuated and kind of just depends on when you  get in the queue. Um, ideally, I'd love to see   like average weight time closer to 15 minutes. I  think that would be something that people could,   you know, like plan around. Yeah. Um, so I don't  know what that looks like, but I'd be curious to   see, you know, once you have a little bit more  analytics available. And then is this in any way   starting to frame how we look at our trunk like  regular ride Glenwood routes? Absolutely. Yeah,   we're um I've been monitoring the Meadows traffic.  So everything that goes over the Meadows and yeah,   December we had like almost a thousand trips on  this ridewood on demand going to the Meadows. you   know, I'm thinking that's a lot of shopping that  went on in December. Um, the other months were   like around seven and 800. So, it's a lot of  trips that were not, you know, we may not need   our loot out there. And then I totally apologize.  Um, I don't know the ride Glennwood route enough,  

but is there a regular ride Glenwood bus that  would go by like kind of the medical area? So,   like Valley View, GMA like Yeah. not um we had  that as an ondemand stop where you would have   to call in an hour uh a day before um if you  wanted to go to the hospital on Glenn with the   fixed route service and it would divert off  of Grand and we did away with that because we   have this now, right? Um we had about three  other stops around town that were that way.   the the one um over by the Volkswagen dealership.  There was one down there that you know you you   would just have to know a day before that you  were going there, right? And make the call. So,   and even know that that was an option because  I don't I would never know that. Yeah. So, I'm just curious if this is like, you know, would  does it ever make sense to have like more regular   routes to take pressure off on demand or  is that not We have I mean there's three   rafter routes that come through town. There's  the BRT, the Hogback, and the Local Valley.   And that's what I'm feeling like they must have  uh capacity on there to handle our little bit of   ride Glennwood that loops around over there. Um so  that might you know cheapen that service for us a   little bit which we're trying to do because that  service costs about 1.7 1.8 million this year.   I just I'm so interested in in trying to provide  a a enhanced local service rather than just,   you know, really leaning into that commuter  service, which I think they're both great,   but I would like to see a little bit more  of a shift. And so, if we can start to get   some data that, you know, helps frame that  conversation. I I'm really excited to see   that. I think another thing we're looking at  is the local valley could go that way and go   across the bridge. It never used to go across the  Grand Avenue bridge because it used to get hit  

when the bridge was 9 foot lanes. And so Rafta  didn't send their buses that way, but we did   um with Ride Glenwood. And so that could be a a  change up where we have the local valley continue   on and serve Highway 6 and 24 and we shorten Ride  Glenwood altogether or or maybe do away with it.   So, on that same vein, um, with the app, do you  get like I the few times that I've used it to try   and navigate to go someplace up Valley, it would  give me my different options. Does it do that with   the local? So, if I go to do the on demand, does  it show me a fixed route bus that could also do   that and the timing of that? There is capability.  We haven't gotten there yet. Okay. But we just got   the map loaded and I think we're going to get they  have trackers on the buses and that we're going   to get those associated with it so that you can  look and see where your bus is. You can also do   this on the transit app. Um you can find where the  buses are or my rafts tracker. Yep. Um but that's   something we want to get built into the app. Um  so it's it's on its way. So then you just like   pull it up in your phone and you're like, "Okay,  I need to get there and here's my three different   options to get there." Yeah. I mean, it's like a  trip planner kind of thing. Okay, that's I think   that's a great And they also have um the direction  like if a bus can take you on that same trip. Yes.   They will tell you that in the app when you  order up if it's too long, they say you could   also take this. So that is that's capability  that we're Awesome. I think that'll I think   all those are great great options. I think we're  heading in the right direction. So, thank you. Hi, Lee. Hey. Um, remind me I was the original  goal of this service to provide the final leg  

from from the the bus service to the home service  or to the city market service. Wasn't that the   what we were trying to accomplish to begin?  Funded through that first last mile mobility   grant. And so that that's really part of it. Um  but also we had areas of town that didn't have any   service at all. South Glenwood, Glennwood Park,  um North and West Glennwood areas. So that's the   other bit of it was it was to serve the unserved  areas of town with any kind of uh transit. So,   so I didn't I'm sorry I didn't bring all of my  notes, but it it didn't look like South Glennwood   was a particularly hot spot for pickup or drop  off. It looked like it had a lot of activity,   but not Yeah, I mean, it's, you know, it's very  um it's not as dense housing is what I'd say. It's   all single family homes over there. There's there  are few town homes and such, but um you know,   you're going to see a much more hits in denser  spots. And that's what that's what I was seeing is   if I if I was discerning the map properly, it was  almost always the near the multifamily uh housing   complexes where the the most usage came from.  Yeah. I mean, six canyons over here by Donigan, y   is about a mile from a bus stop. And that's seeing  a lot of sp a lot of uh riders. So, and what   I what I saw from the remember seeing from the  numbers is that really only about 14% of the rides   on from this service were actually bus stop to  to home basically. So, So really what it's a taxi  

service is what we're providing at a dollar a ride  instead of $14 a ride which is what it costs us or   12 to 14 whatever whatever your average came up.  So, I'd like to see you gather more information   to be sure you're accomplishing the goal you set  out to accomplish instead of just a taxi service   that that a commercial operator might operate on  their own. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's in   the long term that's how RAFTA is planning on um  divvying up the funding for the towns is to base   it on your your percentage of rides that are going  to bus stops. Pre preface all of your thinking on   RFA not having any more funding and us not having  any more funding because because when the trickle   down from from the federal government gets to  us, it's it's going to affect all of us. So,   and this grant program through RAFTA is only  good for three years. Basalt's in their fourth   year of it. They actually extended it for them.  I know RAFTA is trying to find a way to fill this   uh fund back up and keep it lasting. Um, but  all the communities are dealing with that.   We're we have another two years to really figure  it all out. Maybe. Maybe another two years. Yeah. Council Shack. No, thank you, Lee. I just want to  expand a little on Ray and get some information.   So, the grant is the matching grants are available  26 and 27 to our knowledge right now. And we're  

funding our portion from our bus staffs. Correct.  And that's also funding ride Glennwood. Correct.   And that's a couple million dollars a year roughly  but rounding thereabouts. Okay. So, it's is it   fair to assume as councelor Schmall said that  hopefully not sooner but no later than 2027 um   we may be on our own and by that time you'll have  enough hopefully data to say we expand we contract   we change our routes based on the information we  have that be yeah I think the objectives we set up   it's going to be evolving over the next two years  and and as I said yeah in May we're really going   to take our first year yearly look at it and then  see what what else we can do we could have dynamic   pricing where it cost you more to get all the way  across town than just into town or something how   how much control do we locally have over the ride  Glenwood routes all 100% 100% on ride Glenwood   on ride Glenwood yes we can have to to you know  change it. Okay. So we could send that wherever   we choose. We could depending on costs and um the  cost of bus stops. I mean that's basically and   one of and I' I've been a joyful rider. I mean,  sometimes I've been charged for riding a take,   but um but I also appreciate the fact  if I'm coming from up valley down here,   that BRT becomes local at that point. So, I don't  need I don't need our our van service um for my   for my purposes. Others may, but I don't know.  Again, that ties into ride and the local and maybe  

there's too much overlap between raft to local and  something over the bridge would be good. Something   else you just mentioned, did you say Six Canyon  was how far from a bus stop? It's about a mile   from um Trevor Trail and then there's the Elks bus  stop over there, which is maybe not a mile, but   it's only a one directional. It'll get you going  that way. Yeah. Back around and go back. I guess   that would be something I'd be looking at when we  have a high density apartment like that and they   did not have to do inclusionary did they or did  they have to do a parking adjustment? Usually we   made those that they were near I thought it was  a quarter mile or less from a transit stop. So   my question would be what happened? Um I don't  expect an answer right now but that was one of   our rationale. Well, and we're we're working on  a solution for that because the Elks, as I said,   is only a one-directional stop. We want to bring  that to Canyon Vista, the new uh approved. So,   that'll bring that closer to So, that's changed  the whole area. Okay. Yeah. And then we could   get a a westbound uh eastbound bus stop in that  same area. The only other thought I had is on the   fees maybe I don't know how you do it but maybe we  should not be asking the people that ride but the   people that don't ride and I don't know how you do  that what what keeps you from riding and is there   a price point that keeps you from riding as well  as you know raising the fair to those who do ride   but how do we find out why people aren't using it  and what what rate effects might have on them. I   don't know how to do that, but that we're talking  about a bigger population than those that use it.   So, I'm wondering how we assess that. Yeah, could  be something we ask at the state of the city. You  

know, maybe we have a little bit of that going on  there. Don't mention that to Brianna this week.   Go ahead. Thank you. But I don't question. Thank  you, councelor Wymer. Thank you, Lee. Uh, so I can   um I mean just one data point sort of attest  that people are using this as a as a a government   supported taxi. Uh my father-in-law worked for one  of the taxi companies in town and their business   is way down. businesses down and it almost  significantly significantly and and it conc uh   uh coincided pretty cleanly with us ramping up  uh the the right so so why wouldn't you right   so so Lee I think you know we've we've touched  on a little bit about the good work so so so far   um staying true to our original goals right which  was to understand where the need is so that we can   then start to uh make some design decisions around  the Ride Glenwood bus system. Um knowing that   there's that there's overlap between the other  uh the other buses when they especially they're   in town, they're local, they're free, right?  Like there's there's that overlap. Um and and   there's places that that we're not yet serving.  And then I would be remiss every time we talk   about this subject of not complaining that um the  Ride Glenwood bus looks like every other dang bus   uh that's out there. And I lived in town for two  years before I realized that that was a before   I knew that that was a free bus because there's  nothing on it. Right. Right. And and every every  

time we talk about this, it's got to say, you  know, it's got to say free, not just around town   and downtown, but that it's free. And it's it's  almost a hop on, hop off. And it and and for for   all of our tourists, and then for for dummies like  me who just don't pay attention until it well,   until you're on council, uh frankly, um you  just don't know that it's a free bus, right?   you see bus, I'm like, "Oh, I don't have like  the New Yorker in me comes out. I don't have   I don't have exact change. I'm not taking  the bus." Right? Because I'm not going to   stand there and get yelled at by a bus full of  New Yorkers and like Yes, that is a story. But does Yeah. Right. So, yeah. And and so and so  we've gota at at our next opportunity to reskin   those things or whatever, man. like those buses  have got to be special and unique and really call   out the value proposition which is free which  is that it's free and and um and and easy and   all of those all of those things. So another grant  I'm working on, we have a bus shelter replacement   project that includes replacing all the shelters  for Ride Glenwood Springs. We're going to update   the signs um so they look more like the buses  and have the same color scheme and they're   going to say free grat gratus so it'll all be  out there um and put it on the bus too. Yep.   The bus looks like every other bus. Great point.  Thank you. Thank you, Mayor Prom Solinski. Yeah,   I just wanted to reiterate that the the grant is  the first last mile. Um, and I was on a steering   committee that kind of looked at that and and  crafted um a ramping out, you know, kind of like   how do you exit plan that? And it was going to go  back to the the raft of funding was going to um be  

commensurate with the number of stops that went to  the transit hub with the recognition. When we as   a city council sat down and talked about this, it  was to assess our local transportation needs and   how to better utilize ride club for that. And  so we are actually ahead of the curve by even   charging a dollar. The other municipalities have  not done anything. And so they're trying a lot   harder. I think we are doing a really good job of  utilizing this opportunity to our greatest benefit   in serving the community. So, I just wanted  to uh kind of reiterate that because I don't I   think maybe you all weren't on console yet when we  first started have that having that conversation,   but it was kind of the the highest priority for  us at the time. And then, you know, this is fully   funded. The money is in the grant in the wrapped  budget. So, there's like at least through that,   you know, the next two years, we've got it.  Thank you. Uh, councelor Small. Um, so Lee,   you already know the result of no fee to $1 fee,  right? You've got the data for that. So why would   you wait to do another wait until you do another  survey to raise the fee again? I I understand your   what you may have concerns about the integrity  of the data, but I think you've already gotten   the information to warrant raising the fee now and  seeing what the result is in the I wouldn't argue   that. No, I wouldn't argue that at all. Yeah. I  mean, I I think we could do it um and we can do   it just in a day's notice. You just let them know  and they'll change it. Um, and we could see how it   affects writership, but we would have to message  that. Um, you know, give two weeks or or more   notice. We like to give really a month when we're  changing service in any way, reducing a stop or  

No, sure. And you'd want to do it in a way that  makes sense. For sure. I'm just asking why wait to kind of see what a whole year's worth of  data does and wrership and where it goes.   Another thing to a point that was made earlier  was we didn't see any drop and ridership on on   the fixed route during this time. So we're  actually seeing 30,000 trips around town   on the two services. We get about 22,000 on Ride  Glenwood fixed route every every month. Amazing,   right? It's crazy. So and then we get,  you know, the BRT local in the hogback   are transporting also. So you could add  another couple thousand there probably.   Did I hear right? There's no drop. I get I get  confused because it's all ride Glennwood to me.   It's all labelled route on demand, but fixed  route it dropped a little bit in November. It   did drop some just a little bit in November, but  it kicked right back up to normal um in December.   I'm not really sure what that was in November.  Um lack of snow a big thing. you know, there   aren't all those people going up to ski coat um  November, December this year because there wasn't   much other stress. Yeah. Well, good. Councelor  Smith, thank you. Thank you, Lee, for for having   all these details to answer questions. Um I have  a handful of questions in two basic categories. Um   and and happily I can be pretty concise because  I most of them build on questions already asked   by colleagues. Uh I really appreciate the way the  collective group is thinking. Um one category is   first principles um intended purpose for  this program. Another is vehicle choice.  

Um, in that first category, can are you able to  break down in your in your green and brown chart,   bar chart, where you've got number of rides per  month compared to number of passengers per month?   How can you break down those multiple  passenger rides into people who just or   two people who called in together uh versus  versus an actual efficiency enhancement of   picking up two different I mean we just we  we get the metric of shared rides per month   and that was 46% of the rides in December were  shared shared in the sense that two people were   at the two people one person was at each of two  stops Well, just that when you got on the van,   there was somebody already on there or when you  or they got on when you were on the part. So,   that's a good thing. I think so. I mean, that  that that's a reduction of a car on the road.   I think you could call it that. Um, I'll just  I'll just chime in again that that my sense   of the purpose of this program originally was  just as was described eloquently by by several   uh and in more detail by councelor Wymer and  council Zinski. Um [clears throat] and that is   this was to help inform us in improving  ride limited service and it was to encourage transit use for longer distance travel  and it overall was yet another our general measure   of transportation demand management trying  to reduce total traffic. Those three things   I think are really important to hang on to. On  the on the first one, I was surprised and a bit   disappointed to hear you describe. Yeah. We're  going to use data from from the dialer rides to  

inform our fixed route services. You described  the opportunity to drop some of the fixed drive   services. I was looking at the other way around.  Maybe that was just my incorrect assumption that   that ultimately I want to get rid of this service  and make the bus system work. But are you looking   at it the opposite? No, we're we're looking at  any and all of the above. Um so we're seeing   what works best, what maybe can replace the fixed  route and shorten that or make it more efficient.   It doesn't run on time very often. That's probably  because we have a lot of traffic in town during   those peak hours and nobody gets on time. Uh but  yeah, I'd say everything's on the table. Um so   when we see the price of the rafts, um the fixed  route service go up yearly and now it's almost 1.8   million next year um this year. That's something  to consider that we could maybe pair that back   um and maybe go more into this if we're getting  more better service out of this on I'm skeptical   of that direction but I'll just leave that in  the mix for the conversation but thank you for   keeping things keeping the range in mind. Um,  I also chime in on the on the concern about is this is the raft city match one to one or  do we pay a lower percentage on the grant? It's   a 50/50. But if so, if half of our funding is  coming from a bus agency that wants us to get   people to the big bus, uh, and we're only  at 12 to 14% depending on how you get out, I'm disappointed. But my question is, do you see a  trend? Has that has that trend gotten better since  

May of last year? It's been really the same all  the way through. Um, so it really hasn't changed   much. I'd say, um, Carbondale, I believe, is like  20% split into their park and rides. They don't   have quite the, um, tourist population that we do  that rides the train up and then they take that   to go out to dinner or go shopping, things like  that. Um, so that's the differences between our   communities and hopefully we can achieve 15 or  20% to the raft stations. But all the shopping   trips that we're seeing, it's amazing. I mean,  shopping trip. Yeah, that's another data point   I got today is the number of um rides that were  ordered on the um Spanish language app, so they   can see who's tapped in. It's 5050 basically. So  I thought that was really positive. Thank you. Um   on the on the improving overall transportation  demand um and traffic reduction which is what   what your hope whole transit program is about. Um  are the comments made earlier correct that this is   essentially a subsidized taxi Uber lift operation?  Well, I mean it's it's we are paying for it. Um   we are getting people around town. Our businesses  are thriving um because of the tourist, you know,   that are using it. And um Oh, I think I think the  people are putting it to good advantage. Yeah. And   it and the merchants and the pool are probably  benefiting. But maybe maybe a different way to   ask a question. In terms of vehicle total vehicle  miles traveled, in terms of of energy efficiency,  

in terms of net traffic reduction, are we better  or worse than just letting people use a taxi,   Uber, lift? Yeah, it's it's tough to  quantify that in terms of, you know,   we're really looking at traffic volumes and  ridership. Um but it's very yeah the the often   when you open up some room for people to drive on  the road more people will get back in that weren't   driving in the first place say you know so there's  that that latent demand concept that they would   be going but they're not going to go during the  peak hour now that traffic's eliminated out there   because of this great bus system they're going to  just go back to their old ways. Um that happens.   We see that um as have studied traffic going  in and out of Aspen over the years. That's   that's basically sad but the sad truth, but we're  trying to chip away at it. Thank you. Uh my last   question is in that second category of a vehicle  choice. I I expressed my disappointment when this   contract first came up for consideration that the  contractor was going to use gasoline vehicles.   uh when our climate action plan at action T2.14  and T2.13 explicitly say transition ride Glenwood   to electric vehicles. Um and and and in our  report this afternoon, we're finding that even   the beginning of that consideration has now been  postponed into a second year supposed to start in   2025. We're not even going to start considering  it till 2027. Now, I hear talk of buying a or   asking the contractor to bring in a fifth bus,  which presumably will again be fossil fuel. Um,   just we're we're not being consistent in in the  two two separate but very closely related portions  

of city policy. So, um, as as this contract ends  and if this service continues, well, between now   and then and especi but especially at that point,  I I'll continue harping on this. It's time to get   the buses off off of fossil fuels. Thank you very  much. Thank you. Thank you. Anybody else? Anything   else? No. See none. Anybody from the public like  to comment on the downtowner? Think about it for   a second. If I see nobody, um, what do you need  from us? Do we need to move this forward actually   or or is this since it's not quite May yet, is  this just an informationational deal or is this   this is for the 2026 contract renewal with the  downtowner and we're we put the amendment in to   uh raise the original amount per month by that  $10,000 to get this serviced the way it is today.   And the bus count. Say that again. and the bus  count. We're raising the bus count, too. Okay. All   right. Y Okay. Excellent. Then I will entertain  a motion to move forward and councelor Shaker,   we'll start with you. Yeah, Mr. Mayor, I had move  um that we approve the amendment to the Glenwood   Downtown or professional services agreement um to  include the additional pricing as stated in our   staff reports. Thank you. And mayor promi second.  Motion a second. Any more discussion on this?   Councelor Townsley? Just just rough numbers. U  it looked like we were in for 400 and Raft was in   for 400 last year and there was 50 in in writers  fees. So that's 850 and the cost was 750. Is there   100,000 that's available to go into this year or  did that where the other 100? there was a little   bit left in the grant um between us and RAFTA, but  um we spent you know 45 46,000 on the setup. Um so  

that was for the wraps on the vehicles and to get  the leases and the insurance and all that kind of   stuff. So there's not not much and I don't believe  their grant can roll over but that question   hasn't been answered by RAFY yet. Okay. I just it  seemed like we're there might be some extra funds   we could use for that. And then then the other  question was prompted by councelor Smith is is if   we're going to bring another vehicle on, is there  any reason not to bring on an electric vehicle?   Is that more expensive? Is it is there a reason  why we can't do that? Yeah. So, the the electric   vehicles won't last the full day um on a charge.  Um so, we would need to have two of them and they   are more expensive. Um we did look at this. We we  definitely looked at it and asked them for it. The   Sienna is a hybrid, so that's the only one on the  fleet that um is partially there. Um but the the   Transit vans, they just um they're experimenting  with vans in Aspen uh right now, the BW IBUZ. So,   we'll see how that works out. I know it's  been a pretty warm winter, but if they can   last through the winter up there, um then we'll  start considering that as maybe the next vehicle   or some other type of electric vehicle. Doesn't  have to be VW bus even though I love buses.   All good. Thank you. Okay. Excellent. Any more  discussion? None. Now I'll call for the question. Yes, Councelor Townsley. Yes, Mayor Prom Zinsky.  Yes, Mayor Dame. Yes, Councelor Wymer. No,   Councelor Schmall. No, Councelor Smith. Yes,  Councelor Shakar. It passes 52. Excellent.   Thank you, Ryan. Thanks everybody. Lee, thank  you very much for the info. Um, should we take  

a five minute recess? Let's do that. Five  minute recess. Reconvene in five minutes.

Yep. At 8:43 and um you guys are here for the  wood fire. All right, let's let's jump to item   13. Sorry, Ryan. Um just so we can actually  accommodate. We should have done this like an   hour ago. I'm so sorry. What are you here  for? We're really expecting some samples.   That's okay. Motion denied. So, Trent, let's  get this Let's get this done. You need help,   Trent? I think we got it. I just  did the share of here, right? Yeah. Or what it is. So you're going to move through it and then they're all just going to end  up right here. [clears throat] I know. Sorry for even further delays. It's okay.  We'll get it up there. You're right. I'm just perplexed that we do this every two  weeks and somehow it never works ever. Well,   you know, not in the first try at least. 54 states.

I know it is be good. Maybe this wasn't such a good  idea. You still be the same. Sorry. There you go. I I was just going to say I  think we all read it. So if   you we can do it we can just do it conventionally. Yeah, that's very good. That's okay. Okay, we uh not too much to project  here, but um in in an effort and and in respect of   your time, I am going to lump a presentation  together for both ordinance one as well as   ordinance two. Um this is in Oh, I'm sorry. This  is Trent Hyatt for the record. Good evening to   to all of you. Um, ordinance one and number two,  this is in regards to building permit inspection   fees as well as woodf fired pizza ovens here  in the city. Um, in terms of the fees, uh,   the intent with this amendment is to better align  our fee structure, um, with some reinspections   that are occurring in our jurisdiction. Uh,  and this is specific to certain contractors  

um that are requesting inspections before the the  work is adequately completed. uh which results in   in wasted staff time, increased operational costs,  um increased greenhouse gases as it relates to our   climate action plan previously. Um but as well as  delays to the specific project and delays in the   views of of other projects that are in the queue  um and and ultimately cost burdens to the city.   Um in 2025, just to give you an idea, um the  building department um conducted approximately   1,500 total permit inspections. That's not  including things like business licenses,   enforcement cases, and inspections related  to planning files, but approximately 8.33%   of those were reinspections. Uh we applied fees to  those those reinspections um in 33 instances. So,   what I'm trying to point out here is that we're  not really trying to be punitive um to maybe a   a mom and pop or to a a homeowner contractor in  that, you know, sometimes there is a need for a   reinspection and when that um education kind  of is done through our inspectors, you know,   we go back out and usually the the issues have  been addressed. Um staff also and clears intends   to provide clear guidance to contractors in terms  of the expectations for future inspections. I did   include a redline version of table 1A um which is  uh in title 60 of our code uh which outlines our   fees. I think one thing that I did fail or or did  not hit the mark on here was in regards to um item   number three and that's the reinspection fees.  Currently we charge $100 for those reinspections.   But really what our intent would be is that if  we're going back out for third or second, third,   fourth reinspections for the same specific  issue or our related building uh requirement,   that's where we want to increase those fees. And  again, not to be punitive, not to um you know,  

use this as a revenue generating source, but  use it as a time-saving source. So whereas   it's currently at $100 for a second  reinspection or a third reinspection,   you know, similar to the fire alarm fees that  you heard approximately a month and a half ago,   we would like to propose that we have an increased  fee for reinspections for the same reason. So,   you know, if it's a second fee and it's $200, if  it's a third fee, it's $500. And you could get um   you know, as as uh creative with that as you want.  Um with the fire alarm fees, you went pretty high   there. But you know that would be a proposal  that we and and again this is to eliminate   um staff delays um and and reviews of projects and  and other service to other customers. Um second   part of this is in regard to woodf fired ovens.  This is actually title 100 of our code. Currently   we identify um solid fuel burning devices as  basically open hearth or or fireplaces. Um we   don't currently have an exception or definition or  a code for what we want to talk about tonight and   that's woodf fired pizzas. Um you know we would  currently interpret the the definition that we   have and that was outlined in our staff report  to include woodf fired pizza ovens. However,   we all kind of know that they're they're different  instance, right? Um our current regulations to ban   the the installation of new wood um you know  burning devices in the city um comes from you   know past historic air quality issues that we've  had uh in in our valley. Um thanks to the efforts   by this community as well as other communities.  We've really pretty much eliminated those concerns   to date. Uh we do not allow the installation of  new woodf fire pizza ovens and we also require   the replacement of existing um wood stoves or  fireplaces with EPA phase 3 certified devices that  

reduce those emissions a lot. But um as you can  um speculate, you know, smoke in the air has many   harmful um materials in it in terms of particulate  matters, hydrocarbons, carbon monoxide and and   nitro nitrogen oxides. Those relate to human  health impacts, right? Things such as asthma,   emphyma, bronchitis, and we know ain't nobody got  time for that. Um but anyways, staff would uh um   we've received some inquiries from businesses and  residents that we would like to allow for these a   kind of a you know, a different um type of a wood  burning um oven. Um and again, these are used for   the preparation of food. They're not intended of  a primary heating source um like like wood stoves   and typical fireplaces are. Um, in respect to  those those human health impacts being eliminated   in the community, we don't really see this as  being a huge impact, right? Um, it would allow for   kind of the encouragement of culinary diversity  in the city as well as some economic development.   To what extent, we don't exactly know. Uh, but  it would maintain the in those prior efforts   to to limit health and and and human impacts. Um,  some things, you know, in in a dense environment,   woodf fired pizza ovens can be of a concern,  right? We're not talking Glenwood Springs,   we're talking New York City, we're talking  Milan, places where this is occurring at very,   very dense and high numbers. Um, there are, you  know, devices out there that you can spend a ton   of money on to to regulate the emissions from  these types of stoves. We just don't see that   as being uh appropriate at this time. We think  that the common best practices can address this   matter and that's things as simple as using fully  seasoned hardwood, right? That helps reduce the   smoke that's emitted from these. Um, also most  of these stoves that you're seeing today use a  

combination of electric and gas in combination  with a wood to season the food. Um, that again,   startup is where you'll see a lot of those  emissions and it helps reduce those. Um and and   I think most of those insulations today are these  hybrid type food our woodf fire ovens that you   see. Um also things like optimizing the exhaust um  or or precision precision design help to to reduce   our emissions. Uh and again we're basically try to  do this by adding an exemption to title 100 of the   code um that outlines you know woodf fire pizza  oven it's being exempt from that definition for   a solid of a solid fuel burning device. Uh, and  then just defining what that is. [clears throat] Two ordinances at once.  Excellent. Questions to Trent. Councilor Shack. Trent with the woodfired pizzas.  We're talking about allowing them both commercial   and residential. Yeah, I I don't think that we  really regulate them um residentially at this   point in time. I don't think anyone's out out to  to view those, but we would assume that, you know,   kind of similar to a barbecue that this is  occurring and and permitted. Thank you. Thank you,   Councelor Smith. I had the same question,  so I'll offer a variation. Thank you. Um,   we don't regulate wood pizzas in backyards at  homes, but we do regulate their fireplace indoors.   Correct. What in the terms of the ordinance, how  do you make that distinction? Well, to be honest,   I don't think we have the opportunity to  regulate those out of doors because we're   not reviewing them via building permit or  a business license. Okay. Thanks. Why would  

fired pizza? What's the benefit? What's the point?  What's the What's the improvement product? Yeah.   Taste. Um really? Yes. and the preference of  of you know folks for certain types of woodf   fired food. You can actually taste the  difference. Oh god. Yes. [laughter] Of   course. Okay. Thank you. That shocked me. I  guess that's subjective, but I would say yes.   I'm all excited. you mentioned uh in the context  of mitigation or otherwise or the actual smoke   um hybrid systems that use gas or electric or  both with the wood. Um and you also separately   mentioned particulate matter and other pollutions  that are have an acute human health effect. Um Do we know which combination has a better or  worse climate effect in terms of greenhouse   production? If you if you're burning gas, is  the wood that much more or that much less?   Can you burn less gas, which is a which is a a  greenhouse pollutant? The wood maybe is less. So,   I I guess that would probably depend on the on  the device. Um and and I I don't think that um   you know a gas you know burning device you know  just in terms of of what I've researched you you   know when we made that change in the valley  in 80 85 and 93 or 87 95 you know some of the   numbers that were thrown around is like you  know a a gas fired furnace you know generates   approximately five you the the difference in  the emissions is like one to 500 in terms of  

smoke for similar variables, you know, whether  that's ozone or or nitro or nitrogen oxides or   um particulate matter. Thank you. Um one last  question and then a bit of a comment. Um the pollution controls that you mentioned you you  said in passing are very expensive. Correct. Um   you know some of these devices range from  you know5 to $20,000 depending on the the   installation and the of I guess you know the  the product the food that's being prepared.   Sorry, there is one more question. Um the you're  not concerned about this becoming New York City   or Milan. How do we avoid that? If this becomes  trendy, why aren't there going to be six on one   block? Well, I maybe it maybe it could. Um but  I I think that we have avenues to address it   if it does become an issue in the future. Okay,  that's maybe that's a better question. How would   we address it if it does become overwhelming?  Well, we could prohibit them in the future. Um,   that means that any that existed would just be  able to lawfully continue moving forward. Uh,   but we could also add mitigation features to those  to those to reduce the emissions from. Thank you, Council Schmall. I want to go to the the reinspection  fee idea and ask a couple of questions.

Do you have any sense of how much of the  reinspection work is for the mom and pops   or the individual home builder who would  be otherwise exempted from having a general   contractor's license? of of the reinspections I  would say you know approximately 20% of those mom   and pops and the actual instances where we applied  a fee it would probably be closer to zero of those   because you know we do use our discretion and and  you know we we try to help folks along the way.   So someone that's not a professional is going  to get a little bit of leeway in terms of that   fee being applied to begin with first time,  second time or third time. I appreciate that   and I think that's probably the way we  should be approaching our customers. uh then if if it's still a problem after that  approach to the problem, I have to suspect   as I was impressed in my council orientation  that we don't have enough inspectors. So the   the tendency of a contractor is going to be  to schedule because he's I presume you got to   schedule a couple of days or a week in advance to  get your inspection. No, usually only 24 hours. Well, that's that's not what  I hear out on the street. If if if our two inspectors are covering  everything within 24-hour notice,   then then I guess I don't really have any  further questions because I assumed that   contractors were scheduling an inspection and not  making their schedule of what they thought they  

would have done when the inspector got there.  That's that's not been my experience. Now,   there are certain instances where, you know,  let's say it's a business license. Let's say   it's a short-term rental renewal inspection.  Those do take, you know, take play second fiddle   to an active building permit inspection. So that  there may be some delays related to some of those,   but active building permits generally we  schedule all of those within 24 hours. Wow. Well, uh, beyond that, I would only recommend  that the fee be be commenurate with the cost.   If you have to reinspect for an unreasonable  reinspection, then it ought to be probably more   than what you're charging. On to the woodfire  uh, grills. [clears throat] I have I I think   it's a great idea to allow woodfire pizza ovens  in in downtown although I would suggest that it   be done in some manner other than with  respect to the English language rather   than codifying a wood burning device to not be  a wood burning device. Thank you. Thank you,   Council Townsler. Uh, my questions are on the on  the inspection fees, too. One of the questions   I had on there was was how long how long does  a typical inspection last? Because, you know,   if we're if we're charging a minimum of two hours  on some of the fees, is there if if it's really   taking us 20 minutes to go out there and relook  at something and we're charging for two hours of   work, is that is that reasonable? And does that  happen very often or does that just not happen?   Uh, I would say that the ones that are are two  hours are generally those that would be outside of  

normal business hours. So, it's just it's kind  of because we're providing an extra service.   Generally, um, you know, it it really depends on  the type of inspection. If you're talking about a   final inspection for a building, that's multiple  hours, right? By by default, of a multif family   building or a commercial building. If it's  a drywall inspection for a home, that could   be 30 minutes to an hour. And we would still  charge them for if we're upping it to $100 and   $200 to come out and do a drywall inspection. No,  not not uh not by default, only for reinspection.   Inspection. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. The the general  first inspection is included as part of the   the the fees that are paid with the building  permit application. And then how often are we   doing them outside of business hours? Oh, it's a  that's a special case. So, that's not happening   very not very often. Okay. Yeah, that those  those are not applied very often. I'd say one   um two and four I'm sorry, five one, two, and five  in the in the table are are not very often that   we use those. The others are comments and I'll  save those for comments. We are going to handle   these separately when it comes to Absolutely. Yes,  please. Thank you. Prom Solinski, I'm curious. Is   there any like significant difference in emissions  between a smoker and a wood burning pizza oven? I would I would assume yes. Um and that  would likely also depend on the type of   fuel that's being used. My charcoal smoker emits  a lot. Um pellet burning smokers, not as much.   Okay. Um, I would say that because most of  these devices, like we mentioned previously,   are hybrid in that they're using they're really  utilizing the smoke more for just the the addition  

of taste as opposed to heating of the unit  ice. I was just curious because, you know,   downtown right now I smell smoke times and I just  figured it's already there. Doesn't seem to be any   barrier to allowing the wood burning pizza ovens.  Thank you, Council Wymer. Hey, Trent. Question on   the the fees thing. I'm looking at um exhibit  A, right? And so I'm looking for double under   underlined text and strikethrough text and  I don't see anything in down until we get to   other inspections and fees number one. Right. And  it just so that one talks about it's a correction   from 50 to 100 an hour but that is that talks  about outside normal business hours. Uh and then the other change is additional plan review and  then the use of outside consultants. Yep. And   that's where I was saying uh Mitchell that I I  failed and that really we wanted to include in the   intent of item number three. Yeah, that's where  we would add that you know a second reinspection   or in a third reinspection that we would  increase those fees to maybe potentially second   reinspection $200. If it's a third reinspection  for the same same is that per hour or flat rate?   Surely it would be a minimum of one hour because  three because three is an hourly thing. Minimum   one hour, right? An hour. Minimum one hour. Are  you looking for us to amend this in our motion?   Please, if you're willing and we can read that or  andor if you wanted to amend it in the motion to   have it brought back that way on second reading.  Yeah, this will this is a two. Sorry. This this  

is an ordinance um for both of these part of the  municipal code. Got it. Little different than many   of the rest of our fees which are resolutions.  Yeah. They're not to by you via a resolution.   This is these fees are actually outlined in  the the building code. And then I guess quick   table one a total valuation. That's valuation of  the project in question. Correct. Materials and   fees. Right. So, if it's a new uh water heater  versus a new apartment building, that's driving   costs. It could still be the same inspection.  I'm I'm inspecting the roof, but yeah, it would   it would be um inclusive of of whatever work  was outlined in the in the application. In the   whole application. Yeah. Okay. Thanks. Thank you,  Councelor Smith. Thank you. Um, thank you again   for your clarification on the uh the pollution  and pollution controls. Um, I was reminded of   a variation by council Zinksky's question. You  mention other techniques that you generally see   in use. Seasoned wood, dual system, dual dual  fuel systems as a as a reason not to require   precipitators or catalytic converters and such.  But if I'm reading right, the proposed ordinance   change, the code change doesn't require seasoned  wood or multifuel startups or any of that. We have   we have not ident identified that in the language  that we that we proposed. No. Thank you. Okay. Any   other questions? No. Excellent. Well, anybody from  the public care to come forward comment on well  

either ordinance 20261 ordinance 20262 building  permit inspection fees or woodfired pizza ovens.   They go there. No, right there. Yeah. Please state  your name and whether you live in city limits or   not. Okay. Uh my name is Paul Goodman. Uh I go by  Pablo. I do live in downtown Glenwood. Thank you.   Uh I just was going to say one first off, thanks  for taking the time to review some of the stuff as   a person that uh with the woodfired pizza ovens.  uh you know one you know one thing I just wanted   to say with that was you know bringing a little  bit of diversity in the culinary world as Trent   had kind of said to uh Glennwood opportunity  there uh there are differences definitely in   how they cook and and the food they produce  are substantially different um not alone with   just flavor but uh with the styles and just the  textures and the different kinds of things like   that what they can produce and how they can  produce them. So um that's really I guess all   I have. I was just gonna throw in a little bit  there because they are the diversity is where I   see like a huge um possibility for community  and stuff like that. Okay. Excellent. Thank   you very much. Anybody else? Okay, good. We're  done. Nobody on the uh permit inspections. No,   see none. Close the public portion. I'll bring it  back uh to council and we're going to have to do   two separate actions in here. So, I'm entertaining  a motion in ordinance 202601 building permanent   fee, building permit fee, sorry, building  permanent inspection fees. And as we heard,   um the fees are set forth in the second during  the second reading. Uh so staff has time to Well,   what I was saying is that if you want to propose  reinspection fee numbers, that's what Trump was   saying and we will incorporate it into the  ordinance on secondary. Should we state those   here? Yeah. How did we do it with the uh emergency  fees? Did didn't you guys put set forth what what  

we should think? Yeah. Okay. So, if you guys want  to have us do that, happy to do that. If you guys   want to just get this through on I think I would  prefer that if you guys are okay with that. Yeah.   No, that's that's totally fine. And you guys  bring it to us. Yeah. We It won't be on consent   then it'll be on the regular. That's fine. I think  that's fine. Fair enough. Uh Mayor Prom Solinsky,   please. So, I'd like to make a motion to approve  ordinance 2025- or 2026-01, the building permit   inspection fees with the suggested fee amendments  to be included in the packet on second before   second reading. Okay, thank you. We have a motion  to approve. Do I get a second? Councelor Shaker,   I'll second the motion. Sounds great. Any more  discussion on the permit fees? Councelor Townsley.   on the on the permit fees. We had mentioned that,  you know, we've got a little rough on maybe some   of the uh fees for sending people out for fire  alarms and whatnot. I think personally, you know,   and not having a long history with the building  department or whatnot, with the police department,   I had no qualms whatsoever of of what they were  telling us was was happening was happening. I'm a   little nervous about the housing and the building  department and this is from before your time here,   but when I ran for the office and just in  talking to a lot of people getting on here,   probably the biggest complaint I got was the  building inspectors. I mean, just flat out,   maybe not 10 to1, 5 to one of people wanting to  talk about stuff. And so I'm a little nervous   about going, okay, we've got these guys saying  that they're being overworked and this and that   and we're going to up fees and we're going to do  some things. I just don't have the confidence in   the quality of product that we're putting out  that I think I'm ready to want to up fees for  

for them at this point. So more of a comment,  but I you know, we we've all talked about this.   We've we've said, "Okay, let's take a look and  see if we can get a better product out there."   But I think I would rather I'd rather get to  a point where I'm hearing from people that the   building department's really easy to work with.  Not that we're not, you know, doing our jobs,   but I I would like a little more positive  feedback before I get to a point where I say,   "Let's up fees." And, you know, I really like  the fact that you said we're not taking out   on on mom and pop things and and going, "Okay,  you know, you've got me out here a second time."   But I'm I don't have the confidence from just  the feedback that [clears throat] I've gotten   from the community that we're at that point  yet. Okay. Thank you, councelor Small. Yeah,   there the I think the fees that we try to  set should be commensurate with our cost,   but I do also recognize that there seems to be  a disconnect between the the word from the field   versus the opinion from staff that ought to be  looked at. And I tell you, I'm still surprised   that two building inspectors cover all the work  that needs to be done. I don't I don't know how   that works really. The the workload seems to  me that either it's being abbreviated because   of only two people trying to do more work than  they're than they're really effective at doing. Something doesn't seem right to me.  Okay. Thank you. Any any more comments   or discussion on this item? The motion is  here to approve with a second by second   reading. Yes. So if I don't see any more  discussion, I'll call for the question.

No. Councelor Townsley. Yes, Mayor Prom Zalinsky.  Yes, Mayor Dame. Yes, Councelor Wymer. Yes,   Councelor Schmall. Yes, Councelor Smith. Yes,  Councelor Shakar. It passes 61. Thank you,   Ryan. Uh moving on to ordinance 2026. Do you want  to make a comment? Councelor Shakar. Um since this   is going to be an agenda item on the second uh  second reading, um perhaps without we we've talked   about this. We talked about a change in culture  that's pending and in process. And maybe Trent,   it might be constructive to address a couple  of the concerns you heard in terms of number   of inspections, time on inspection feedback  you've received since a year ago or since   last April might help. Yeah, happy to right  now. Um, not right now. Okay, let's do second   reading. Thank you. Thank you, Trent. Thanks for  your willingness. I can retract [laughter] that   comment. Love it. Okay, great. All right, moving  on. Ordinance 20262, woodfired pizza ovens.   Entertaining a motion. Mayor Prom Solinski,  I move the approval of ordinance 2026-02 to   um approve the use of woodf fired pizza ovens  for commercial use in citizens. Thank you. We   have a motion to approve. Councelor Townsley,  I enthusiastically second that. Awesome. And a   second uh to approve. Any discussion on the pizza  ovens? Councelor Smith. Yes, it's an ordinance.   Your [clears throat] flavor palletability comments  are impressive. I remain concerned about the   pollution concerns. I I I thought that the staff  memo compellingly listed kind of the concerns for  

wood burning over this over the decades. Um I  it includes the notion that we have dealt with   that through previous initiatives. Um I agree  um ordinances from the city um legislation from   Congress, a robust state health department has  indeed cleared much of that kind of pollution.   So I'm reluctant to start codifying a back what  feels like a backtrack on that success. Um,   I would [clears throat] feel better if we had the  actual mitigation measures or if we at least had   the u a companion requirement to do the best  practices that you you described. So without   those, I'm reluctant to support it. Thanks.  Thank you. Yeah. Right. Of course he [clears   throat] will. Um, any more discussion on the  ordinance? I see none. I'll call for the question. Yes, councelor Townsley. Yes, Mayor  Prom Zlinsky. Yes, Mayor Dame. Yes,   Councelor Wymer. Yes, Councelor  Schmall. No, Councelor Smith. Yes,   Councelor Shakar. It passes 61. Thank you,  Ryan. Thank you very much for your patience. Um,   good luck. Yes. Moving on to project update.  Back to item 10 for tonight. Ryan Gordon, please. Not again. I sent this to you that reported this. We got  some stuff going on. That's fine. This will go   just as fast. Hey, Brian. I sent this to  Matt. Matt's gonna pull it up. And I was  

gonna say all these animations and these  transitions if he's gonna pull it up. I   don't have any of that. I was gonna give you  a big a big aisle. It's just the movie effect. Yeah. I had a great a great thing [laughter] CGI. I had dinosaurs. All right. No dinosaurs. No,  nothing like that. All right, everybody. Hello. Uh   Ryan Gordon, city engineer, here to give an update  in a kind more of a preview. We did a preview last   time. This is what we're going to be doing this  calendar year. Um you controlling it. Go to the   next slide. Um I'm sticking with the theme of the  city map. Um I'm going to go pretty quick since   we're here late. We can go backwards if we want.  Uh blue are things in design. Um pretty standard.   We have the three big neighborhoods that we're  still kind of taking a look at. Um we're wrapping   up the roundabout design at Wolson in West  Midland. One other thing new on this one is um   we're starting to look at the two creek crossings  on Mitchell Creek on Center and then on Donigan.   Something to look to address some flooding and  and some um relieve some flood insurance issues.   We'll get to those later. Those are just kind  of the things we're kind of cooking in design.   Before we go to the next slide, a few things I  don't have um on follow-up slides. So, you know,   last year we tried to get the uh railroad  crossings fixed. We got the seventh street done,   which was ours. The 23rd and then River side  are both RFTAs, part of the rail corridor.   We are going to try to do them ourselves. There  was one little hiccup is since they are railroad   owned or rafta owned, they have to go in front  of the PUC. Seems like a pretty elementary thing,   but we're likely going to do that on our own as  opposed to try to do as part of the raft thing.   RAFTA is not going to be removing rail this year.  Not going to work. Didn't didn't work out. It was  

a funding thing. They thought the rail salvage was  going to pay for the project. It didn't even come   close and so that shelved till another time. Um I  think that's the only one to to um on that list.   Matt, if you want to progress the slide. Um first  project design projects or construction projects,   excuse me. So highway 6 and 20 shared use path.  So this is between Donigan Road and essentially   Lynen. Um here's I got two photos, Matt. Kind  of go to the next photo. Um existing conditions.   These are as of yesterday, right? So you can kind  of see dilapidated asphalt trail. Um not great.   Drainage is terrible. Go one more slide, Matt.  The details of what we're trying to do here. I   guess I can go go here too on mine. So I can look  here. Here's what here's what we're doing. So it's   a multiaceted project. So, we're installing um  1500 linear feet of of 12-in water line. We have   some high velocities in the water. This is really  going to help to distribution. Includes four fire   hydrants along this stretch that currently have  none. Um we are going to be installing that that   whole stretch as I mentioned. So, 3850 linear  feet of 10 foot wide concrete shared use path,   multi-use path. That's going to take the place of  that dilapidated asphalt path. Um lots of curbon   gutter, the same linear footage basically. So that  north side of Highway 6 and 24 will have curb and   gutter help with some drainage protection of the  the path for pedestrians and bike users. Um then   we're doing some drainage improvements. So we  have three new additional storm water inlets.   Um 180 linear feet of storm water pipe and then  we're going to reline the existing storm pipes   that are there. Instead of digging them up or  replacing them, we're going to go in there and   reline them as is as a way of of of of extending  the life of those. The other thing is we're going   to underground um all the overhead electric lines  and telecommunication lines. As part of that,   we are going to install new overhead lights. Um  I heard loud and clear about lights with North  

Landing. So, we will take a very detailed look  at the lighting here. Little bit different since   it's not quite in a park, but but same thing. Uh  new bus shelter at at Traver Trail. Lee mentioned   about the grant. And so, we're looking at that and  kind of rejiggering how that looks and a little   crossing to get over to Devo. Um and and so this  project is currently out to bid. We are getting   bids back next week. Um we may start construction  in um quite soon and if it's the weather like it   has been, we might as well be doing work instead  of sitting on our heels and and plowing gravel.   So you'll likely see this on consent agenda or on  the agenda next week for approval of a contract.   Um so we'll see how that goes. Um next project  is Coach Miller Drive behind the high school. Um,   this is a picture of what it looks like now. So,  people walking on the street. Why are they walking   on the street? Because there are no sidewalks. Um,  next photo, Matt, shows the entrance as you come   around the corner, and this is looking up 14th  Street. Pickkins off to the left. This is the   high school parking lot on the right. So, we've  been working really closely with the high school.   Um Um, next slide, Matt. So, here's some of the  details of what we're doing. This project has a   bunch of facets. as well as well. So, uh, we're  installing some 8 in water line. Right now, the   water line cuts through the campus, so it doesn't  make it very opportune if there's a break to get   in there. So, we're putting the water line in the  road. It comes with um only one water service,   and that is actually for future expansion or  future reasons at the high school. They want   to utilize their athletic fields a little bit  better. One idea is a bathroom facility, uh,   not a food court, but a a food stand. It's got to  be a better name for it at at an athletic event.   Essentially, they don't have any abilities  to do that. So, we're going to provide them a   um a water service. Um we're installing concrete  sidewalk. So, two different stretches. So,  

from where the parking lot connecting to the Rio  Grand Trail is currently, we're going to have one   that be on the west side that loops along. There's  already an existing stairway that goes up and down   to the Rio Grand Trail. So, we're connecting that  piece. Then we're going to have a sidewalk on the   other side wrapping around the high school.  So this would be on the east side then around   sort of the curve on Coach Miller as it turns into  14th Street. Again, no current sidewalk facilities   at all. Really kind of addresses the need as you  can see some from those photos. Um curbon gutter,   there's no curb gutter. There's no drainage  facilities out there whatsoever. So again,   we are um creating a a a better system to collect  the water. Plus, there's a parking problem during   events that people park off the side and then walk  to sporting events or whatever else. It's causing   a public safety hazard. It's a narrow road anyway.  This really helps alleviate and fixes that problem   as well. Um, we're going to be fully um milling  and redoing all of Coach Miller Drive. The road   surface is is is quite frankly atrocious. Um needs  to be fully done. So, we're going to rip out all   that all that asphalt, put brand new asphalt down.  Um, at Pikkin when transitions from Coach Miller   to 14th, we're going to mill an overlay up to  basically Grand Avenue. The last 50 feet of of   14th Street before you get to Grand Avenue, we're  going to pave with concrete. Long-term maintenance   is much much better. Um, you have those heavy  buses that push that asphalt around causing   ruting and potholeing. This will really solve um,  a lot of those issues. The other big part of that   is we're going to reconfigure the entrance to  the high school. As of right now, that entrance   is is a skew from where Pickin Avenue is. What  we're going to do is push that entrance in. So,   you basically have a four-way stop. So, you pick  instead of turning right on Coach Miller and then   immediate left in the high school, you're going  to go straight into the high school. Now you're   doing it. Now we're doing it. Better late than  never. Now we're doing it. Yep. Go. This project  

we we just received bids as of yesterday.  This project will be built in the summertime   when schools school is out. So, graduation's  done, kids are out. We told the contractor,   you have from basically June 4th to September  1st. I'm not sure when school starts, but they   have a couple months to get to get cooking. So, um  that's that project. That's going to be a really   good project. Um next project, Matt, you that  that's the most important thing that you Oh,   that is a very good point. So we um project  came in significantly under budget. So we we   budgeted about 2.7 bids came in a lot less than  that. So we're looking pretty good positive and a four-way stop and and a four improve  approves a lot of things. We're also doing bulb   belts at Pikkin Avenue just for your information  too. Create a little bit better space for people   to mle around. Okay, next school project we're  doing over at Soccerfield Road. So, this is at   the Glen Springs Middle School. Um, this is  looking down from the high school down to to   uh uh highway 6 and 24. Um, the next photo is  kind of looking the opposite direction. Um,   theme of the day, there's no sidewalk. No  sidewalk on the right hand side of this picture,   which is the east side of the road. Um, kids  have to sort of muddy their way through curb   and gutter and weeds and whatnot, right? So,  we said, you know what we're do? We're going   to come here and and fix this, too. So, what  we're going to end up doing, next slide, Matt,   is construct a 8 foot wide concrete sidewalk  again from the middle school down to Highway   6 and 24. We do know talking to the school that  kids use that to get to um one of the bus stations   down there. Um a little bit of curb and gutter  reconfigure it, right? That's pretty wide road,   so we're going to suck in the road when we  put the curb and gutter um and the sidewalk,   excuse me, with curb and gutter. A little bit  of drainage improvements. it it functions well,  

but if we add that sidewalk, we're going to need  to reconfigure a drainage ditch that abuts the the   middle school to the south. Um, and then adjacent  to uh uh Soccer Fields Road on the um west side,   there is a a a drainage ditch. Um we're going  to fill that in and bring it up to up up to up   to grade, put some inlets in and and pipe it.  It's just easier maintenance for our parks and   Rex group. Um makes it a little bit cleaner out  there. Uh the other thing depending on when costs   come in, what what numbers we get, we may mill  and overlay I let me take that back. That first   stretch of road that I mentioned, Highway 6 and 24  to the middle school, we're going to fully repave   that whole road. Um last year we did a paser  study which tells us the quality of the roads.   That section um was a was in the poor category.  Totally redo that road. Depending where we are,   um, we're likely going to mill and overlay the  rest of the road, soccerfield road, from that   portion all the way up to Donigan. Make a much  more cleaner cleaner road alto together. Okay,   next slide. We're looking at doing 19th Street.  So, this is basically from Valley View Hospital   down to Grand Avenue. Um, we had this program last  year, but didn't really have enough money. So,   this will be a a um Go to the next slide, Matt.  I I'll talk about 19th Street in a second. Um,   we're also looking to do Ninth Street. These are  lumped together because these are generally much   easier. So, Ninth Street from essentially from  Blake up to Garfield is in pretty poor condition   and and needs to be resurfaced. It's something  that our streets department has had to fill   in potholes on a pretty regular basis. So, it's  again looking at Paser study, what roads are bad.   This is one that floated to the top um that that  needed to be done. Um, next slide over, Matt. This   is kind of the details of what we're doing back to  19th Street. Um so we're going to probably rip out   all that asphalt and repave it. Um 620 ft. There  are some failing sections of both curb and gutter  

and sidewalk. Sidewalk has been heaving over the  years. We're probably going to, you know, fix all   that to make so you don't have trip hazards  and um you know, gaps in the in the concrete.   Um and and some other minor minor improvements,  some valley pans um and and whatnot. On on 19th,   um I'll go to 9th first. As I sort of mentioned,  it's going to be a mill and overlay or it could   be full depth. Some of those roads as you get  further up the hill have just a couple inches of   asphalt on nothing. So, we're going to go take a  look and actually build them up to city standards   so they last longer than they have been. Um, 9inth  Street will have some drainage improvements at the   intersections. There's there's limited valley pan  so the water just, you know, runs where it wants   to run. So, we're going to create a little more  coherent plan up there. Um, I kind of lumped all   these in because and again, MTON Avenue is on  here, which wasn't on my pictures, but again,   last year we did Selena Street, little little side  street up there. So, we're going to do the rest of   Mter from from 7th to 8th. That'll be a Millan  overlay that'll kind of connect that portion.   And again, one of the reasons we determined this  area is Mter is in terrible condition. So, again,   as it floated to the top of roads we needed  to do, this was an opportunity for us to to   kind of knock those out. And so one thing that  you've seen um here is we're not doing Blake   this following year for a couple reasons. One  is we thought, hey, look, there's some other   priorities along the city that we should tackle  before we spend all our monies in one spot and   and kind of give the neighborhood a break and then  pick it up as we follow in next year. So that is   the quick and dirty update of major projects for  next year. Um caveat this is we had great news   on coach Miller. We haven't got bids back for 6  and 24. Those are our two big projects. if they   come in under budget, we're going to come in and  probably do more milling overlays and concrete   work next this this um construction season. So,  um we'll have to play with that. So, this map may  

change a little bit as we move forward, but that's  where we stand as of today. Questions? Thank you,   Ryan. Council Small U Coach Miller Drive. When it  first came up, we mentioned adding a water tap to   get water down to the dog park. Is that not in  there? We do not have that in there. One thing   we do have in there is providing a sleeve for raw  water to bring to the high school. The high school   has some water rights and we've been talking to  them about, you know, maybe getting a pump in   there and some screening. So they can water their  ball fields with with irrigation water. So two   things that we were going to add to the project  as it kind of moves forward. One is yes, we forgot   about the the water service to the dog park. We'll  add one off, put a curb stop, get it ready to go   kind of thing. And the second one is I would like  a 8 inch tap coming towards the water line that   comes down Riverside, the dead end by the property  we just bought so that we could loop that thing   back up. So there are two small things we do need  to add to the project, but they're pretty minor   and they'll fit in the contingency was built into  the project. So yes, as as you do the raw water,   that that would be great for the dog park for  irrigation, too. So we also just bought a property   that has a 10 gallon per minute well on it and  may be able to utilize that also for dog water.   So a couple of options will be floated into that  before we finally finalize the whole design or   construction. I'm sorry. And any idea what we're  going after grant for $200,000 for that project.   It looks pretty positive. Also, my question Um  the bus shelter at Traver Trail, have you worked   with Lee on that? Does that get used very much? I  mean, it it does get used some. It's not it's not   a huge use, but again, depending on where we go  with the transportation network overall, right,  

that is kind of a hub for Iron Mountain, for um  um the caverns. So, there could be a potential   for that to being used, but that is still part of  our system. So we we are going to improve that.   And have you have you made any uh estimate as to  why the bids were surprised you at being so much   lower? I mean I would I would say it's springtime  contractors are trying to get their work for the   summer and they're bidding cheap now until they  get loaded up. But I I mean if I had to I had to   guess there there's a couple reasons. One is our  consultant who helped us develop the cost estimate   was a little overconervative. not not a bad thing.  I think you're right. I think us having these bids   come out in early the these were actually,  you know, bid out um the end of 25. Um again,   allowed contractors to get aggressive and I  do think we're seeing a slight softening in   the market. Um we we have seen some folks from  um outside the region that are interested. So,   I do think we see some let's say competition  pressures that are helping out. I would just   caution that you're not getting uh overly excited  because you're getting bids with mistakes in them. Sure. We're we're evaluating those and we'll be  looking at those versus the unit costs that we   know of and yeah, we be taking a look at those.  And I want to say between all four bids because   we got four bids in, they were within 10% of each  other. So, I wouldn't assume too many mistakes   with them, but we'll go line by line and make  sure nothing was missing. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Great.   Thank you, council. Thank you, Ryan. I just had  a email request from a constituent. Can you give   any preview down the road? I know we're weighing  feasibility of North Glenwood and feasibility of   Glenwood Park. Both challenging, both multi-year  projects. Any projection as to how and when either   or both of those are going to enter construction  or or begin work? And what is there a priority  

set yet? you know, we don't have a priority set on  either of those. And then the third neighborhood   that you didn't mention is eighth eighth is 8th  and Midland intersection, Cen neighborhood coming   over 7th Street, you know, kind of this whole  whole area, right? So, those three ones are   ones that we did have comprehensive surveys done  and we have those um we're still waiting for the   survey in North Glennwood um to come in house and  do a little bit of the conceptual design. Both of   those all three of those are are major components.  Um, we do have money set aside this year in the   budget for design. We haven't quite figured out  which ones will be will be first. Eventually,   they'll all get done. Yeah, that's correct. Yeah,  they will. Yeah. And again, what we're going to be   doing with those is is is fairly extensive public  meetings. Um, we really want to get idea from the   from the neighbors, what does your neighborhood  want to look like? So, we're we're starting to   develop those as we're sort of transitioning from  end of last year construction season to now. Um,   right now is the time when we're really slowly  digging into that. Thank you, Councelor Smith.   Thank you. May we get a copy of this helpful  slideshow? Sure. Thank you. Um, it's a little   late to to ask too many design details on on Coach  Miller because we're in business. Congratulations   on the bid. Um, can you remind me one more time  the extent of the west side new sidewalk? Yeah,   so the west side there's an existing stair that  goes down to the Rio Grand Trail which is right   across from um the the kind of the culde-sac  at the high school. So from that point, the   the sidewalk will be on the edge of the road and  then we'll go from there and then we'll go to the   existing parking lot that essentially feeds you  can park down there and walk down to the dog park   area. Uh and then we'll connect into the existing  sidewalk that then goes towards uh Park Avenue  

Park. If you want to walk along [clears throat]  Coach Miller Drive and 14th, your full continuity   is going to be on the east side. Yes. Yes, that's  right. Thanks. Y is there any feature to improve   bicycle access from Coach Miller Drive onto the  river trail? Uh, as of now there is not. Our   thoughts are you would ride from if you're riding  from Pikin trying to get to the Rio Grand Shell,   you would just ride along Coach Miller until you  got to the dog park entrance essentially to get   down which is which is a potholed gravel truck  driveway and an obscure kind of curvy sidewalk.   Sorry, I [clears throat] didn't bring this up  months ago, but what's pothole? I'm confused. The   the snow truck driveway. The snow truck driveway.  Oh, it goes down to snow storage, which we're not   using this year. So, that that entrance will  be cleaned up and paved. Oh, I I I apologize   that that's I I went too fast. Other details, the  parking lot that's currently pothole, that's going   to be paved and and and brought up to to code.  And then that little entrance as you're going down   into the snow storage, that little area will be  fixed. You probably said that. Thank you. Sorry,   I did not say that before, but I I apologize for  overlooking. Um, as soccerfield road, an excellent   notion putting a sidewalk, which essentially  extends the sidewalk that's already there on   the east side from Donington to the stool. Is that  that's correct? That about the crossing at Soccer   Field and 6 and 24, the pedestrian crossing,  the crosswalk. any improvements to that? Yeah,   I mean that that's something that is that we're  looking at because you're absolutely correct. One   of the stop bus stops is across the road. So,  yeah, we need to look at that um as well. So,  

that's something that we are that Lee and I  and and the engineering team is looking at as   one of those vague colored concrete things  that is not very visible to drivers. So,   yeah. Um, as you do these big projects,  which is very rambunctious and and exciting,   um, I assume that there going to be some other  uh, smaller knitting things going on. Um,   what about progress on the the network of  flashing beacons for pedestrian crossings   that you've cooked up? Any any plans for  particular locations on that this year? Yeah,   certainly. I mean, one of the big target areas  is around the 27th Street roundabout. Um,   the challenge that we're finding is where do we  put the beacons where they don't get hit? Um, um,   I'm putting words in Matt's mouth, but Matt was  out there a while ago taking a look, and there are   tire tracks all over every place that we'd want  to put one of these beacons. So, we are coming   up with some ideas, but we do think it's vitally  important that they are there. Um, so we got we   got to figure out how do we put these in so they  don't get hit the first day. Do they sell armored   beacons? [laughter] We we we are going to come  up with some creative solutions. More concrete,   more more right there. Can you hang them from the  top of the ski lift chair? That that could be a   very viable option. Uh thank you. That that was  the top one on my list. Uh public works went out   and miraculously redid the crosswalks themselves  at that western roundabout. Uh, and that's been a   big help. Yeah. Since the since the Benedict got  finished and and um the underpass at Grand Avenue   got finished, the flow of things is much better,  but these flashers will be a big help. Thank you.   Uh, with the postponement of construction work  at Blake Avenue, will there be more design work   going on this year on Blake Avenue? No, I mean,  we we essentially have that design finalized. Now,  

I say that in in my opinion, we can change a  design until the contractor walks off a project.   So, um, if there are opportunities on Blake  to make things better, change it, we we   certainly will. We know we we're we're constantly  fine-tuning and changing things on Blake. But,   um, um, I would say it's 95 99% designed as is.  Okay. with fingers crossed that that 99% design   will address the dysfunctional southbound bike  lane along the edge of Ser Park. And knowing   that that's the complicated section that might not  get done for two years or three years, is this the   year to do something about the paint striping on  that portion of Blake to fix it just with paint   in the meantime? Um, yeah. Yeah, I mean that's  certainly something that we've talked about and   we'll look at doing the battle there is is the on  street parking and the width. So we may have to,   you know, split the dog, so to speak, there, but  we'll we'll take a look at that. Good. Thank you. That's not nice. Uh, Council Townsley. Uh, two  quick things on Coach Miller Drive. At first I was   wondering why you were doing a sidewalk on the on  the side where you four feet from a walking path,   but if it's going to help us keep cars off there,  that makes sense. Are you going to do anything   that will keep people from just pulling up their  trucks on the side of the sidewalk as well? Well,   so they'll be vertical. The curb will be vertical,  right? So you're going to have to jump up there   and then we're going to have it's much easier for  our code enforcement folks to to to give tickets   if they're parking on a sidewalk. Okay. because  I was guessing maybe they they would go ahead   and pull up on the sidewalks on there anyway, but  if it's easier to enforce. Then the other thing,   last thing is on the uh on the north landing  that those those crosswalks coming across from   the hotels there. Are we getting any closer  to having those done before springtime? Yeah,   we are. And I I had a note actually to talk about  that. So, thanks thanks Councelor Townsley for  

reminding me. Um, part of the North Landing or the  63 project that did not happen was extending the   raw water line from just past the Hotel Colorado  to the raw water line that we installed as part   of Sixth Street. Um, we were always going to do  that inhouse and just the way Sixth Street kind   of worked out that kind of didn't happen. So, our  our internal um you know, water guys are going   to be doing that and part of that is ripping out  those crosswalks. Um and we are going to put those   back with um concrete and not pavers. So, that  that is plan. And um just today, uh Hot Springs   School reached out about looking to do some  modifications to their side. So, I think there's   going to be kind of a joint project that we can do  to kind of work out and clean up that whole area. Thank you, Councelor Small. Um, nothing  on South Bridge. Well, I think a South   Bridge is a more detailed conversation than than  what's going on. There are there are some stuff   going on Southbridge, but um but but I don't  have that as part of this presentation. So,   let me just ask. I remember that the plans are  100% complete from the consultant. Yes. And how   about contract documents? So, so the drawings  and the specs are all done. What we're doing is   we're finalizing the environmental documents  right now. There is is is part of that was a   sound study and then a discussion in a vote for a  sound wall which is currently happening right now.   Um and then and then that portion along with  the utility clearances but then and then the   rightway acquisition are the last pieces before  we basically have a full set package ready to be   approved by both Sedat and FHWA. Um, by contract  documents, I was referring to the documents that  

contractors will bid on. Yeah. So, we have  those those are done, drawings, and specs. There be no special conditions?  Well, the special conditions are   part of the the specifications,  the seed the seed dot specials,   but those have been prepared. Are  they available? I'd like to read them. They they are available. I I would Carl Steve  any issues with providing those those Let me   let me think about that. I my my concern is um as  you know bidding projects with federal funding,   they are super uptight about how that goes. I  would hate for that set of plans to get out there   um until C DOT's ready for them to be released. Um  I think happy to come in and look at a rolled up   set of plans in the in city offices, but I'm I'm  uncomfortable sending [clears throat] them home   with anybody or sending out an electronic copy to  anybody um just because it's a $80 million project   and somebody's going to complain about bidding and  I just worry about that. That's my only concern.   So, Cedot does uh typically does uh a plan and  spec review inhouse where they go through not just   the standard specifications but all the special  provisions which I suspect there are going to be   a lot of on this job. Has that been done? Yeah,  I mean we've gone through one two three major   plan inspec reviews over the last year with SDOT.  So CEO has reviewed those right. So the you know   the bridge department has reviewed them you know  traffic all all the departments in SE dot has has   been part of the the review of the south bridge  drawings and the special conditions and specs.

I don't even need all of them but I would like  to read the special provisions and and like I   was saying I I think I'm comfortable if you  want to come in and sit down and go through   them. I just am really uncomfortable  sending out. CD dot has been very   um you know they're very tight about these things.  It's a federal project and so I just want to be   super careful. I I don't mean to be difficult  but I just don't want to send them out into the   ether if you will. Um understand. I'll uh I'll  sign a I'll sign an affidavit after. [laughter] All right. Great. Any other questions?   Anybody from the public? Did I do that already?  No. Okay. Nobody here. Excellent. And if we don't   have any Oh, all these projects are all street  fund. Yeah. Yeah. Then there's a portion from   street fund then, you know, water and wastewater  those enterprise funds, right? Right. That whole   their monies. Yeah. As Matt mentioned, we're  going after a dollar grant for Coach Miller. Um   we're going to look at maybe a maybe FMLD grant.  We tried that for Coach Miller but got denied.   We may look at doing that for 6 and 24 um and  and maybe some other funding sources but as of   right now um yeah street funding the 6 and 24 um  does have an MMO grant through C dot multimodal   OS of o grant that that we got approved and we  got Yep. That's that's a $750,000 grant that we   have. That was my next question. How much how much  grant funding did we secure for these projects?   And you just said it. So fantastic. Uh, okay.  Good. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thanks,   Ryan. Yeah. And then another update. Water  supply. Just say we have enough and you know

we do. That's Yeah, I know. Matt, please. Second. I'm skipping that thing. I'm just doing  it on my own. Everybody got right there. Oh,   I'm not even broke. I was wondering if you're  going to have this graph. I hate this graph. I   love this graph. You hate [laughter] this graph.  I literally live off of this graph. That's all. I   might have got a little haywire with the update.  Okay, so 2022 who everyone was here, we kind   of did a quick water update. Sorry. All right,  Melang Horse, public works director. Good evening,   council. Thank you. Um, in 2022, we did kind of  water update. It was seven pages long. What I   did was I wanted to kind of just there's some new  counselors, so I just updated that again and threw   it in there. Added a little more information. We  can fly around and look at whatever anybody wants   to though. There's there's not a map associated  with that update. Um, there could be one. I try   not to put maps out there of Total Systems all  at one time if it can possibly not do that,   but we can make that happen. Going back a step,  Steve was like, "Hey, can you just show them how   much water we have right now, where the trends are  projecting?" And then I went haywire and created   that seven-page letter for you to review. So,  we can talk about all of it or none of it. Um,   whatever you guys want to do. Right now, it's hard  to see, but there's a little black line that's at   the very bottom of all the color up there.  That's how much water we have right now. Um,   I look at the Bison Lake Snowtel site. Um,  snowtel sites are notoriously not super accurate,   but they're notoriously inaccurate consistently.  So, if you know in 2018 that you had a Snowtel   site and it was following a trend, then you can  basically say, okay, 2018 was my worst water year   that we've ever seen. As long as I trend along  with the worst water year that I've ever seen,  

generally speaking, we have water. So, Bison Lake  is right up where our water and our snow basically   falls. So that's a good one to w to work with. And  right now we are on the very bottom of the trend.   The pink shaded area is basically the lowest water  totals across all 20 years that they give you to   look at. That's the worst. And we've trended here  before. That's not surprising to me to be honest   with you. Um the little pink dotted line is 10%.  If we get 10% of the lowest totals, it'll keep   trending that way. The next line up is 50%. If we  just get 50% basically of the median, that's where   that line will go. And that's generally we end up  somewhere between the 10 and the 50% if you kind   of look at it year-over-year. So in essence, in  the Bison Lake area, we'll have just as much water   as we did in 2018, which is my bottom year that  we look at. Now, if you go all the way back to   the gauge that was started in 1976 at the Grizzly  Creek Reservoir outlet, the worst year ever was   1977, which is when I was born. Um, and it is  about half of that line. And if you look at the   yield analysis out of the Grizzly Creek Basin,  which is 24,000 acres, half of that line right   there was still more than enough water to supply  for this city for the entire year. Sorry. Half of   which line? the worst case pink line. The pink one  way on the bottom. Okay, got it. Basically, the   the that one basin yielded about 4,500 acre feet  and we use about 2400 acre feet. And that isn't   even considering that we don't pull water out of  Grizzly until we need to because the 12,000 uh   acres that makes up no name is all we pull until  we need to pull something out of Grizzly. So, last   year we didn't even turn uh Grizzly on, and that's  sort of a lie. We turned it on just to flush it   to make sure everything was functioning. We had a  leak on it. We didn't need the water. The year be  

a before that we didn't need to turn it on either,  which was a pretty bad snow year also. So, I   guess the answer is at this moment, I feel really  comfortable that we have enough water for the city   of Glenn Springs through even the 10% worst case  kind of scenario line right there because we know   how much the basins actually produce. Uh we have  a gauge back up there. We start we reinitiated   that gauge I think three years ago as on Grizzly  so we could watch how much water is coming out   um and see how that trends towards the 1977 trends  that we have available to us to make sure that if   we need to turn grizzly on we can most of our  water comes out of noon whi which is bison lake   area which is bison lake is kind of in the middle  of that whole entire thing it's just giving us a   snow total of what's basically falling within the  watersheds that we have available it's the closest   one that we have and it's worked for us so far  since I've been here. I've just watched this one   and I just you're estimating but you're estimating  77 being worse still. As long as we kind of keep   on the bottom of the pink line, we're we're good.  We also still have 500 acre feet sitting in Rudy   if we need it released. Um, and since we put in  the new pumps, the new VFDs, and the new line,   we can pull water out of Grizzly and Noame anytime  we want to. And if I want Runai to release 3 CFS   to supplement that a little bit, they can release  3CFS and we can actually pump it up there if we   need to from 8 Street. From 8 Street, right? So,  and we can run now that we put VFDs in because it   used to be $1,000 a day to run those pumps because  they were either on or they were off. Now we can   run about 500,000 gallons a day if we want to kind  of minimum just a little bit the head pressure all   the way up to five million if we want to in a day  from the pump station. Five million gallons. Wow.   So if I if I need about seven seven and a half  CFS if I can only get five for some reason out of  

Grizzly Creek and Noame we can always supplement  from two out of Rudy and a 500 acre feet is about   a quarter of the year of use anyhow. One/5if to  a quarter depending on how busy a year it is. So,   we have a lot of water resources and we can also  do a water exchange. Division 5 has been very nice   to us about that if we don't even want to deal  with those over there. We can just pump if we want   to and they'll exchange our water rights from the  base of those two tributaries basically and just   say, "Hey, it's going to go downstream. You're the  closest thing from the Royan Fork to the Colorado   anyhow." They let us water exchange it to the  pump. So if we had a really really really dry   year, but we wanted uh the water still to flow  down Noame and Grizzly Creek for aquatic life,   we could just pump in exchange from that location  to this for a temporary time. They've been very   flexible with us and very good to work. Who  is this? Five um water division 5 engineer who   um we are in Colorado River is water division 5.  So the division engineer has the authority to do   administrative exchanges and because of the way  we're set up with our water system. Um we we can   do that. Um and division 5 has been very easy to  work with around that. So like during the fires   and we couldn't deliver. Um we did on an emergency  basis we did an administrative exchange to move   that water over and up um so that we you know it's  on paper that we're moving it over and up but so   that we could pump um without tapping our root  eye reservoir water um because we're really using   water that is being equated to what's coming out  of grizzly no it also is super helpful to us if   we have sedimentation issues or other fire things  like that that we just can't can't deal with that   water at the moment for whatever ever reason is  a super flex. They're they've been super flexible   in they existed. Very interesting, I have to say.  Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. So, I guess it is almost  

10:00 and I just kind of want to see what all  of you wanted to know, have conversations about,   answer questions. Okay, let's bring it back. I  mean, if it gets worse, I'll keep watching this   trend. Obviously, I pull it up once a week. We  take a look at it on Fridays usually, make sure   we're trending at least where we feel comfortable.  And if something came up, we would come in front   of you and tell you how we're going to mitigate  that if it becomes a problem. Funny fact is   is out of Rudy or out of Noame and Grizzly,  we've been getting more water out of those two   waterheds since the fires. Yeah. Don't ask me why.  Vegetation drinking it. Yeah, I guess. All right,   Counc. Um, Matt, remind me remind us or me quickly  because this really does look like 7677 at this   point having been here. You weren't, but I I was  not. What um how did we [clears throat] do in   77 for our needs and how would that flow met our  needs today? You said something about that, sir.   So in 1977, if you look at the gauging station and  what the water shed just out of Grizzly would did   release because we have the actual flows going by  the gauge, it released 4500 acre feet of water.   This last year we used 2400 acre feet of water.  Well, it's approximately double and that once   again is not in concluding including no name which  is half the size of Grizzly but produces most of   the water that we need and two years back to back  we'd be 76 and 77 were both bad years. Thank you.   And then we got a crazy snow and I think 78 or 79.  Uh 78. Thanks councelor Smith. Thank you. Matt,   there's mentioned in your me in your very thorough  and and nice kind of basic tutorial memo gives me   what I need to know. Mention of a Grizzly Creek  reservoir is would that be just an enhancement  

in the Grizzly to no name transfer operation  or is that for some other purpose? So in 1960   we how do you say that res how do you describe the  reservoir right that we have? Um um yeah, now it's   10 o'clock at night and um so essentially we have  um a right that can be developed um we have to uh   when we applied for when it was applied for back  in the late 50s um it's about 20 I can't remember   how many feet it is 3,890 3,890 rounded um uh as  a conditional water right. What that means is that   every six years we have to apply um to the water  court uh with an application for due diligence   saying we're making reasonable steps towards  developing that water right. Um I will be honest   with you from the period of 1960 to 19 or probably  2010 um the water court um didn't you know the   division engineer and the water court didn't look  as closely. they weren't as focused on uh the   changing climactic conditions that we have and so  the expectation on what you're doing to diligently   um implement that water right is a little bit  higher now Matt over the last couple of cycles   um has done a number of studies to examine that  res reservoir site um I can't remember the last   time we updated council around it was one council  ago probably 22 I think 22 um so getting closer   are looking at some options on where we either at  current location or moving a moving the location   a little bit further down the the stream. So  that's been kind of since Matt has come on board,   one of our priorities is trying to determine  whether or not um that storage is feasible and  

what it's going to cost. Um as we know there's  probably 25% less water in the Colorado River   Basin than there was at the time the compact  was signed. And so projects like this are kind   of critical. Um we continue to look at that and I  think this year we might be looking at some grant   funding around that. Yeah, the bureau wreck has  a small storage fund grant that this is kind of   the last year that they have funding for. There  may be more in the future. Um we may actually   apply for it with just a small feasibility study  that's required in February. If they accept us,   then we would have to do a larger analysis by  I think April or something to that effect. And   they're willing to pay 25% up to 25 million I  think. So something to that effect. Um a large   cost. Yeah. Um couple of the trips out to DC we've  met with Bureau of Recre to um talk about that. Um   so I mean we feel like it's a feasible project.  Um and definitely something we want to keep   alive as we sort through this. And it's um like  I said a lot of lot of kudos to Matt and his team   um for really digging in on it. um because that  you know reservoir projects are not easy. Thank   you for that procedural review. Sounds familiar  and that's very helpful. Um [clears throat] my   companion question is for what purpose is it? The  obvious basics that you would have an a catchment   for wet years that could then bridge into no  name and into the water supply during dry years.   Um, yes. So, once again, it's like if we have a  fairly low snow year, that snow year would most   likely yield enough water to fill the reservoir  and then we would be able to meter it out because   some years you get a quick release, some years  you get a slow release, some years you get a late   snowfall that releases again. You want to be able  to control it a little bit. You still want the  

flush so that the aquatic life and the the system  still functions the way it should, but you want to   be able to hold what you would like to be able  to meter to yourself later, which is the whole   point of a reservoir. Uh using [clears throat]  your existing water ice. Thank you. Um small   smaller much smaller thing. Couple years ago,  the the city implemented a landscaping conversion   incentive program, turf replacement. Has that had  an impact on your demand that you can measure? It   is so hard to measure the impact of 1,000 square  feet and 1,000 square feet and 2,000 square feet.   We know that there are many studies out there that  say that one square foot of blueg grass will suck   up.9 gallons to 1.5 gallons of water per square  foot per week. So you can make calculations saying   if I just removed a th00and square feet on the low  end this is how much water savings was occurring   at that location and then you have that for the  remainder of the life of that property unless they   put grass back kind of thing. So, we can calculate  how much we're saving. But in a year where it may   or may not rain, um, like last year it was pretty  hot. We hit 800 million gallons of water used last   year. The year before that was 780. The year  before that was 750. The year before that was   790. You can kind of watch the rain years and say  it rained more. People didn't water as much. So,   it's a great program. CWCB has been promoting  that program. We have grants to help supply for   that fund, but we would have to have a very large  system removed to probably see a major impact,   but all the small impacts accumulate over time  and they're good for the system. Good. Could I  

tell you exactly? Not year by year because of  the changing temperature. Got it. Thank you, Councelor Small. Matt, any idea how the city  used a million billion? A billion 657 million   gallons in 1982. Crazy, isn't it? [laughter]  We have records from a long, long time ago. And   that's why I put those in there so everybody  kind of looks at our peak at one time was 9.1   million gallons of water a day. That's crazy. We  peaked at about 4.7 this year or whatever it was.   So back then we didn't have meters and I have  stories from everybody back then of people just   leaving the sprinklers on. Automotive shops  flushing their drains continuously. It was   a flat rate associated with the water bills  back in the day. So people just used whatever   they wanted to use. They probably didn't have as  good metering technology back then at the plant.   So there might be a little variable in that.  There might have been some more infiltration   that we didn't know about then. But that's  how much water basically the plant put out   was 1.69 billion gallons of water which is more  than double than we used last year. Incredible.   It is unbelievable. You start reading those  old reports, you're like this is insane. The   plant isn't even allowed to operate at 9 one  9.1 million gallons of water. It's 86. So,   a couple a couple of things in there that that  really surprise me when we rely on experts. There's a lot of things in that's why I put it in  there. I want everybody to just kind of know what   we have. If you want the reports, happy to share.  It's why I always encourage everybody to not rely   on experts and to think through what they're  telling you. Yeah. Uh population forecast and  

water usage was also way off. Way off. And it  was a scientific forecast. I'm sure the reports   are great. You read them, they're thought  through. Yeah. They're just not right. Um so if we don't do the reservoir,  do we need to do more tanks? Yeah, I I think we're um they address two separate  issues. like you would never be able to put in   enough or big enough tanks really to address the  the seasonal um uh timing issues that a reservoir   gives you. Um and really this is very much looking  into the the future 30 years from now, 40 years   from now as opposed to today if we continue to see  um you know we're seeing drought cycles that are   closer together and more frequent. Um, so in the  absence of the reservoir, we there's, you know,   you could roll the dice a little bit and say you  probably would be okay. Um, we could look more   heavily to to try to obtain more storage in brood  eye. Um, we could look for other reservoir sites.   We could go in um and potentially um utilize  um, you know, with the river district and some   of their storage. So, there are a number of of  those different options. I think something that   and I I don't want to put words in Matt's mouth,  but Matt has always been looking for kind of local   solutions to some of these problems that we have  control over, whether that's on the electric side   or the water side or whatever it is. So, I think  from our standpoint, um if we could afford to do   4,000ish acre feet of storage that was ours  to control, that would be the best system for   us. There are some other options that we could  certainly look at um as far as that that amount   of storage. and the plant doesn't care anymore  whether the water is coming from the roaring fork  

or from no name or grizzly creek. I thought there  was a big difference in the treatment required for   the water out of the fork. So water out of the  fork depending on what time of day, what rain   event and how it is is is harder to treat. But the  plant as we changed it due to the Grizzly Creek   fires has the ability to handle that sediment load  much more easily. So you can tell the difference,   at least some people can. If we pump, if we  pump and use roaring fork water, people can   tell there's a taste difference associated with  it versus the Grizzly, but there's no difference   of quality of water when it comes back out of  the plant. If it's a heavy sediment day because   it rained in marble 12 hours before and we have  to pump because that's the decisions we make is   is this water better than that water sometimes?  um then the plant would use a few more chemicals   to get that sediment to drop faster so that we  can remove it with a vax. So the plant doesn't   really care. We just have to change how the plant  operates slightly based on the sediment loading   of the particular water we're using. During the  Grizzly Creek fires, you may have not known this,   but we would change water supply sometimes five  or six times a day. It would come out of no-name   and then we would stop because no name would  have a problem. So we would pump and then we   would stop pumping and then we would go back to  I mean we would switch back and forth which was   very stressful on the plant operators because of  that exact same situation. All of a sudden I've   got 3,000 ft of pipe that which which water is in  there. You have to watch it as it's coming in and   make changes to the plant. Nowadays it's they've  got it down to a science literally. But yes,   roaring fork is harder to treat sometimes. I would  not want to do Colorado River water. [laughter] Maybe one day. Um, and my comment about a about a  map. It just makes it easier to try to visualize  

all of the information you're giving in here. I  know. And last time we did this, it was a work   session and I think it was an hour and a half or  two hours and we literally flew around in Google   Earth and said, "This is where this is. This is  where this is. This is how it transfers through."   Um, if you try to do it in one map, you can't  really decipher what I'm trying to tell you. So,   it's a little easier to blow it up. But, I'm  happy to try to put one together based off   that if you would like to see. Even if even if it  was a cartoon kind of sketch, too. Sure. Yeah. I   could have Ben work on that. He loves GIS maps.  Thanks. I could ask. Great. Any other questions?   I just wanted to say that the 1977 season  was the Broncos first Super Bowl appearance.   So that speaks well to this season.  Thanks Ryan. Speaks well for this season. All right. Well, thank you, Matt. Yeah. Thank  you very much. Okay, I think we're through. So,   council comments, council towns, councelor  Small, Mayor Prom Solinski, Councelor Smith.   Thank you. uh had some exciting what I consider  to be exciting conversations with city staff,   with the housing board, and with planning and  zoning about clarifying any differences and   eliminating differences, if there are  between building code requirements for   multifamily housing, whether that's  intended for for sale or for rent.   I'm I'm on I'm on kind of a hopeful mission  to eliminate any differences so that housing   units like those can be flexible. Having got  some great updated information, we kind of be   focusing down on a few particular details.  More to come from all of those advisors. Um a few weeks ago or last year, um the  council learned uh some confidential  

information about the South Bridge project uh  in the context of permitting procedures and   um legal situations. Um there were there was  kind of some wait, we'll go see what happens   next things in that session. So, without being  specific, not being in such a session, when and   how will we learn more on those? Um, potentially  at the next council meeting, we may have an exact   session on where we're at. Thank you. Um, as  we anticipate, at least as we hear hear rumors   of some potential significant redevelopment  at Midtown, um, I am watching for ways that   we should prepare for what we want that Midtown  section to look like. City Market, Citter Drug,   High School, that whole collaboration of odd,  dangerous movements now and what new development   might do to that. Um, so I'm hoping that we can  be really creative and start to think early.   Uh, one of the kind of startling ideas that I've  come across is the potential for a municipal   ordinance or code change, whichever it is, uh,  to prohibit the permitting of additional gas   filling stations following in the radical example,  radical heels of places like Lafayette, Lakewood,   Littleton, Lewisville. Um, I'd like us to look at  that possibility. I've mentioned it to staff and I   want to see all the ramifications that might have  including the hopeful ramification that it would   simplify traffic patterns there and not make  them worse. Uh and finally, there's no snow on   the ground that I can see around town. Uh on the  forested uplands, um there's essentially no snow  

except for a few pockets on the north facing  sides. Do we feel that the fairly new city   emergency response and evacuation plan is is ready  for a summer like we think we're going to have. Fire chief's not here, but yeah, I can't answer.  I'm sorry. Well, yeah, I was just having the same   thought. I don't know why not, but I I mean, I'd  have to look into it a little bit more. I mean,   I think that's a fair question. I don't know why  we wouldn't be just fine. I assume it was made   for for some very bad Yeah. scenarios if whatever  you call worst case, but we're in one of those. I   think it'd be good to know how we're doing in that  regard. Thanks. Thank you very much. Thank you,   Steve. Council Shack. Council Mr. Excellent.  And my uh question was asked about the South   Bridge. I'm hoping to have an executive session  on February 5th. So, um, city manager Steve, what   do you got? Nothing. Thanks. Okay. City attorney  Carl. Uh, 45 minute presentation now. Absolutely.   At least two. At least two. Two different  subjects. Each one 45 minutes. No, I'm good.   Thanks. You good? Uh, Ryan, any correspondence?  Nope. Excellent. I want to go back to my comment.   I want to point out that next meeting we're  meeting at 8:30 at 7:30 in the morning uh at the   Hotel Colorado for whatever Steve has uh prepared  for us. So yeah, just a quick reminder uh social   event announcement. I'm going to scratch that off  the agenda because it's too late to have any fun   tonight. Um so I'm enjoy uh entertaining a motion  to adjourn. Oh wait, hang on. Councelor Small,   sorry, Steve. I I really was looking forward to  the update on the air quality monitor downtown.

Um yeah, sorry. I thought that emailed that  to you, but I may have emailed that. I would   give a quick update on that. Yeah, we got  a group together. Um CMC is going to put   um a unit on their roof. Uh we're going to start  with that one. We'll probably put others in town.   U we're coordinating with the county right  now as well. So, we'll know a little bit more,   but I think that they said they'd get that  one up by the end of next week. Who want Thank you. entertaining. We'll have access to  it. Entertaining a motion to journ. So moved.