Public Works Committee - Regular Meeting

meeting to order tonight. Uh we have one absence right now. I don't know that he's back in town yet or if he's still out

of the country, but um our vice chair um Alderman Eddie Robersonson is out and um we if he is still out uh overseas, we wish him a safe trip home and we look forward for him coming back. So, um we'll go ahead and call the uh uh public works committee meeting to order. Um it is August 26, 2025. And uh if there's no objection to anyone, we'll just go ahead and have we be a nonvote on and unless there's an objection uh for the acceptance of the agenda. Is that satisfactory?

Satisfactory. All right. A little time minutes. Um, I'll need a motion. A motion.

Okay. And and uh the cherry normally doesn't second anything like of anything of nature, but since we have two uh I'll second that motion um for the minutes of approval and any discussion about the minutes hearing none. Is everyone ready to vote? All in favor of the minutes of July 22nd, 2025 signify by saying I. I. All oppose passes unanimously with one absence. We have citizens comments tonight. Um, if there's no objection from the committee, um, we have a a person that lives at 154 Lake Terrace.

Mhm. And we're going to be discussing I I'm assuming you're here for Indian Lake Road at Lake Terrace. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. One of the stop signs says Indian Lake and Lake Terrace, and the other one says Lake Terrace at Lake Terrace. Okay. We will uh if that's okay, we'll when we address that, we'll ask you to to speak on it at that time. Okay.

Yes, sir. Thank you very much. And um so hearing none, uh we'll move on to the next uh under ordinance and resolutions. it. Uh we have a resolution at this time is a resolution to apply for the Tedex stream and wetland grant for uh various public works projects. And I just need a moment. Okay. And a second. Now for the discussion. Mayor, would you like to talk about that? I would, but I would sound smarter if I let Sarah talk about it.

Okay. All right. Um so TK has uh an offering for grant opportunities for stream and wetland uh restoration and um we have identified one location for now that we'd like to apply for. Uh the grant provides up to $250,000 in federal funds and then um there's a 20% match on that. So $50,000 and uh the location we have identified is in Dregs Creek Park. There's a section of Drake's Creek that has experienced uh pretty severe erosion and it is very close to the pedestrian bridge and also the pedestrian walkway and so it's it's a very high priority area. So, it's something we have to address either way, but this would um hopefully give us funds to um to do that for less. And it is anticipated that we would provide a portion of our match through inind which means um so the design would actually come from our design engineer. We wouldn't be paying consultant.

Um and then additionally, anything that we have to pay out of um out of pocket with money, we would use the storm water utility to fund that. Okay. And that's on our end is it's 8020 split. That's right. Right. And so it's like what 50 grand as you say for us. 50. All right. Any questions? No. You found it. I'd like to have money. Yeah. And I was going to say, mayor, is it all right? I would love to have that as well. That's Thank you for finding this. Yeah. Whomever found it. It was definitely Sarah. Thank you very much for finding that

combination of people. A lot of staff. Great staff. Got it. All right. Um any further discussion on resolutions 2025-29? Hearing none. Um there's been proper motion and proper second. Um no discussions. Everybody ready to vote? Does anybody need the resolution repeated? Hearing none. All in favor of resolution 202529 uh signify by saying I. I. All oppose. It passes unanimously. Okay, we're moving right along in our endeavor general public works committee meeting tonight. Um, we're under already, we are under other agenda items. So what I would like to do if there's no objection from the committee, I would like to move Indian Lake Road and Lake Terrace up for discussion now since we have a constituent here and we always try to take care of our constituents. So we do it as quickly as possible. So they they've got time to still we've got some daylight. They might have other errands that they have to run without the city. So uh let's go ahead and talk about Indian Lake Road at Lake Terrace. And Matt, if you want to go ahead and address the committee that I would appreciate that.

Sure. Yeah. Thanks for again for the opportunity. Sure. Yes, sir. So, it's um as we were just talking about, it's an intersection right next to the school. Okay.

Um and so you have a lot of kids who walk to the school. So, kindergarten through fifth grade. And that intersection the kids have to cross to get to the school. Um it is an odd intersection where the road um where Indian Lake coming from um I mean coming from Gon Pike um has a really long stretch without any stops. So cars get uh pretty high rate of speed going. It's 35 miles an hour through there. Um you know I would tell you the average car comes in somewhere between 45 and 50. They come around that bend pretty hard. And it's a bend right after the intersection. So, it's a blind curve both directions. You can't see what's coming any either direction you're going.

Yet, it's a crosswalk for kids going to school. So, it's just a really unsafe area. Then the the way that the four cross, they're not directly across from one another. So, if we were to get a map of it and see it, and I've got a bunch of pictures, I don't know it's that helpful. Um but you know the it kind of goes at an angle. Yeah. Yeah. Is there um in your packet as well there's an aerial uh the intersection. So you could look on page 24 and 25 both both show.

Yeah. If you were to if you were to pull up like Google Earth Yeah. you can kind of see where it's kind of see that. Yeah. And then this is the elementary school. Okay. So kids walk right here. And so when you're walking here, there's no stop sign. These people coming at kind of an odd angle don't see kids and they make this turn. And then cars coming this way have to pass the crosswalk to be able to see. So my wife and I whenever we're going to pick up the kids, we'll snap pictures of the cars across the crosswalk every time

because if they stop back here, they can't see. So what they do is their eyes are up and looking this direction and they don't see kids.

And so there's just a lot of close calls here. Like a lot of close calls. And again, people are really they're coming in fast. It's kind of an odd. And then if you were to scout it out, this also has a rise to it. So, this has a really steep grade. And so, if you're parked here, you have to lean pull your car all the way up to be able to see what's coming this direction. And again, that's an elementary school. So, there's a lot of kids who cross this and a lot of kids who cross this. And I just think you need stop signs. There's stop signs going this direction. There's not stop signs on Indian Lake. like a stop sign right there really helps slow down the traffic in a highly trafficked child area where you know my kid's in the fifth grade you know he's kind of at that age of independence um we don't let him walk to school on his own.

Sure. So just thought it would be good to put that in front of you. We've got a number of friends whose kids have had close calls. One of the um moms had a close call almost got hit by a school bus. the school bus was coming this way and same thing the drivers such a unique area. They're just looking around and not looking right in front of them and almost ran her and her kid over like slammed in and like one of those out of the movie like stopped six inches short of her nose kind of thing. So, all right. Do do we have any reports or anything traffic here?

Uh yes. So, we uh had received a request for a multi-way stop here. And so, our uh traffic engineer did uh perform an assessment here, traffic study, and that was taken to traffic and parking and then um was sent to the mayor for review and then decided it should come to public works committee for discussion. Okay. Um and so for a multi-way uh stop request, those have to be warranted by um the MUTCD.

Okay. And so, um, there's just certain criteria that have to be met in order to install a multi-way, uh, stop. And so, um, the main criteria is related to traffic volumes. And it did not meet, um, for traffic volumes. It actually didn't meet for any of the warrants except for um for sight distance, but the sight distance obstructions are shown um in your packet here and those um those could be eliminated through the property maintenance uh enforcement to have that vegetation cut back to provide the proper uh clear sight distance. So, can you explain MUTCD?

Sure. Yeah, that's the manual of uniform traffic control devices and that's um it's a federal design standard that's been adopted um or you're required to utilize throughout the nation to have consistent traffic control uh for speed limits, how you set speed limits, stop signs, traffic signals, things like that, so that the application is consistent and that they're based on um on the criteria and warrants that are laid out within. And so, um, our traffic engineer's primary recommendation was to go ahead and try to eliminate the site distance obstruction. Um, if that for whatever reason were not, uh, able to be accomplished or not desirable for whatever reason, um, then the recommendation would be to install a multi-way stop at this location. Um there are other impacts associated with that of course especially uh the traffic you know the traveling times on a on a pretty high volume roadway um when you have a multi-way stop can be impacted. Um there were so there there also is one of the criteria that you evaluate for a multi-way stop is collision history and um there's um typically if I think it was five within 3 years that it may warrant for um for collision history. There were only two at this location the last 3 years. So staff's recommendation is to um resolve the site distance issue and then um go from there. But

yeah, okay. What's the speed limit on Indian Lake Road at that area? 35. We have flashing yellow lights for school. I'm not sure if Yeah, the flashing yellow. I'm sorry. I was thinking of the RFB, but the flashing yellow, it's right there. And they may have do they have a crossing guard here? Do you recall that? I don't know. No, we asked for a crossing guard. That's the lake is shoot. That's me. Right. Hi, I'm Jack Campbell. Ethan Campbell and my son was hit. I'm Mark Skidmore. Hey. Hit by a car there a few months ago. And I'm the one that initiated this through Alderman Dixon. Okay. So, well, why don't you come up here and have a seat with us?

Okay. Have a seat right there. patient. Thank you. And um and you want to go ahead and what was your name again, sir? Jack Campbell. I'm gonna put your name down. You walked in the right time. Amazing. I've been in traffic for an hour and 20 minutes trying to get here from Brentwood. Oh, yeah. Sorry. Speaking of traffic. Yes. And what is uh your address, sir? 149. by um Lake Terrace or Lake Terrace Drive. Okay, that's I'm right right here. That's my yard and my house is right there. How old is your son?

Uh 12. 12. 12. Is he okay now or Well, yeah, he's going to have dental problems for a few years as they sort through bed, but yeah, everything else, but his his front teeth were all smashed. So, but yeah, we feel really thankful because it could have been a lot worse. While I'm here, can I I'm Matt Hours. I brought the same U intersection issue. Ah, I live in the house at the bottom of the left part of the screen right there. Well, uh, just south of that actually. You can't totally see my house. Yep. Okay.

With a newer build right there on the corner. Nice to meet you, too. Um, and I I brought up this because of the oddness of the intersection and worries that my 10-year-old would get hit. Would you mind if I just quickly share what I was going to ask you to do if you would go ahead and since you're here? Okay. The two parts actually one uh not that it really is relevant anymore, but uh uh I'm retired at from a 43 year career as a professional engineer. Okay. So, I look at this through an engineer's eyes.

Sure. Uh that I said as I said here let me tell you about the incident. Uh Ethan started across here in his bicycle and he got here and he looked both ways and he did what I have taught him to do which is not only look both ways after you've looked that way you need double check again this way and then he started paddling across which of course from a dead stop takes a little bit and between here and about the second line from over here. Uh the lady in the Lexus managed to go from here, which is completely out of sight. It's cut off by the cornic these trees here, from about here to here. And I did the math. Sorry. And she had to be going at least 48 or to 50 miles hour. And I've since spent time just standing at the corner watching. And then uh I walk down the street to in front of your house uh about down here and watch the traffic and and then I've been in my car multiple times u going down here and kind of just clearing my mind and just driving like I would drive. And the problem is that coming south, I mean coming north from down here uh into this section of Lake Terrace as you get into here it there's this open feeling and this isn't so much a physical problem as it is a driver psychology problem. uh and you find yourself excel just, you know, cruising through through through there. And if you're going 45 or

60 mph as you begin to bend here, you're confronted with something that you really don't have the reaction time to deal with.

All right. If there's not a problem from here, there's not a problem from here. There's definitely not a problem from here because of the amazing visibility and the psychology of being in front of a school even off hours. That all works in favor of conservative driving. But from here, it's a problem. So, since I asked for a four-way stop, I've been doing the research and I've actually found a better solution. Um, which is this little guy right here. Let me get him out here. Yeah. Is this guy, the one that post

post the speed limit and has a radar mechanism in it to display the speed you're going. We've all seen them. Oh, yeah. and one of these right here or right in here. Any anywhere in this section here in the road right away would solve that problem for every kid walking, every buggy, every dog walker, every bicycle rider across this intersection for for years ahead. And it cost about five grand for that and probably a couple of three grand to install. what's called an eight grand budget. So, we just started talking about that when you walked in. So, you're talking

and I'm going to sit down. Well, see what I what I would argue it's um the depth is part of the problem. But as you look at that, it just glancing at it, it doesn't look like a four-way. It's that so you each one of them are in an odd circumstance when you come to a stop. So if you're coming Lake Terrace or Indian Lake, either side, you can't see the south car coming. The northbound car coming southbound where your son was hit. Y if they turn left onto Indian Lake, do you see how quick how far out that turn is? Yes. It's a really long turn.

So what ends up happening is they start that turn and a car coming northbound has no idea there's even a car in the middle of the street. But and it's also not there's not they're not marked. Like that's a really good picture. If you go up to it, there are there's no markings. So like I've got a six a 15-year-old who's about to turn 16 and drive. And um I've literally contemplated making her turn right coming out of my driveway and go around to avoid this intersection because it is it's an unsafe intersection. But there's not even markings of like where to go. Like there's no dotted line through it. And so it's just a very awkward intersection and it's just generically unsafe. And for you, you know, for your son to get hit is really scary.

Yeah. I was I ran out of the house. I was home. Just left the kitchen. Yeah. Uh would you in your analysis, would you agree that the primary problem is the northbound traffic from this side of south of the intersection? No. I mean, I've almost been hit a couple of times with cars coming south and making the big left turn cuz they don't see if you're coming from the school Mhm. you're walking on that little bit of path and you start to cross that road, you see how far out they start their turn. Yeah. They don't see people in the crosswalk.

It's just a very blind. If you just go sit there at 3:00, 3:30 when kids get out of school, you'll just see it's just a very unsafe feeling. And so, um, and cars do go at a much higher rate of speed. So, I just think four-way stop's the only answer. Well, that's the absolute answer right there. If you if you want to quibble about I know you said it doesn't meet, but then you also said there's consideration for a hightraic area to slow cars down. No, actually the MUTCD spe actually specifies um verbatim that stop signs should not be used for traffic calming for traffic calming.

That's right. So they can't be used to slow traffic down crosswalks, right? That's not part of the criteria to warrant a multi-way stop. Then we should throw that criteria out and use common sense. It's federal design criteria. In retirement, I've become a a real estate developer and deal with this and deal with this. The tossing it out the redoing it doesn't work. How about this bad boy? Yeah, I mean those are very effective. They are for traffic caling.

They they are they're very effective for traffic calming. there may be um based on what you shared is a little bit different I think than the original well you requested a multi-way stop but the the information that we had for that request I think was a little bit different than what we were reviewing for um I think that there may be some other options that we would typically try first um because traffic calming is typically progressive you start with something that's less expensive and then if that's not effective you work your way up and so um but I don't want the next kid that gets hit to well to not make it.

I definitely I understand what you're saying, but also there have been two collisions in 5 years and I am horribly sorry for what happened to your son. I'm trying to make

How about the big diagonal lime green sign that says slow or warning or whatever they tell it is they say but something on this at least this side. So, what I was thinking was um there are crosswalk ahead signs that we could investigate installing to bring attention to those two crosswalks um and you can use lime green yellow which is indicative of a school zone which does help to bring attention additional attention and care. Um so I think that that that would be very reasonable to investigate the use of those. I will tell you too, when it comes to um I don't know if you can see it on here. One of the issues you're going to run into is there's a brick sign. So, where it says Duffy's window and pressure

underneath the that tree for you to eliminate, it's a it's a brick uh brick sign. Yes. So, we'll we'll take another look at that. I think the bigger concern is the vegetation because there are some um height um elements to that clear site. So that may be acceptable. Yeah. We'd have to look into that a little more. You get you get some nice flexibility by going with a non-stop sign on the placement. Uh the there's some pretty serious detailed criteria for for I've been reading about it too myself uh about stop sign placement. But when it comes to uh the traffic calming

uh signs, then you you've got room up and down the rideway on both both sides. Yeah. Generally, we we would look for if that were to be implemented, we any sign we would look for it to be at least 50 ft outside of an intersection, you know, the cross streets because we don't want people to pay too much attention to it and not pay attention at the intersection. I got you. Yeah. So, um, Mark is our public works chairman. I'm Mark Skidmore. Nice to see you. This is our neighbor between us. Okay. If you drew a line from my house to your house. Yeah. If you give uh our chairman your name and information. Yeah. Your name. Karen Swisser.

And your address, Karen? is 150 Lake Terrace. All right. She's right there. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't know you were coming. That's right. I was late. But yes, I'm glad you're here, too. Both of you.

Do you uh do you want would you like to say anything at this point? I'd love to. Thank you. Go ahead. Yes. Um, so we live in that house right there that's right next to that stopway. And so even for us to just leave Yes. to go down Indian lake or lake. Yeah. Um, any lake road, right?

Cars are usually really fast around that corner and it's really a blind spot. That tree line right there shades and blocks anybody coming. So you kind of really have to get out there. And so, you know, I'm sad to see that his son was injured because that was, you know, a blind spot. And obviously, I have a 10-year-old, so I'm worried about him, too. But, um, I think there's got to be something that would make it a little bit safer cross-section. And for people to slow down a little bit coming around that corner, because I think they're going about 50 55 miles an hour for a four-way stop. Yes. And I agree with the four-way stop. And I I still agree with the four-way stop, but I was prepared to back down a little bit. Yeah.

If if if it's undoable. Well, the challenge is during the school year, the sign for the pedestrian walkway is not up. I I've b gone by it and it's gone. So, anybody driving down that road during the summertime, they don't know that that's a pedestrian walkway because it's not a school zone or a school time that I know of. So, what I'm Alderman Dixon. Okay. Um, what do you mean the sign's not I didn't take pictures. I haven't I have tons of pictures. Yeah, you have pictures. What are you looking for a picture of though? Well, where that blinking light is for the school. Yeah,

but I when I had kind of walked around that a neighborhood and coming the other direction here or where where there used to be stuff. This is this is the this is a school picture coming. Okay. Was that taken during the school year or Jenny before? Jenny took this an hour ago. Okay. So, I would say a month ago that sign that I know was not there. That's there. That's the only one that I saw. You definitely need a pedestrian crossing sign for sure. There's one on this side down Indian. Yeah, there was one way and one the other direction.

Oh, no. Yeah, the other There's not another one on this side though. Yeah, we'll get that reinstalled. Has a speed has a traffic speed study been done? Uh, let me see if they collected. I've tried to keep my eyes open, but I haven't seen the little black and I think poses across the road. Yeah. And I'm just a, you know, I walked my dog, so I kind of was looking after his son was injured to go, okay, what what do the people going this way actually see or know about that very faint crossbow? I just think it's cuz it's an odd It's so odd. Yeah.

And then because there are elevations that make it odd and then because there's school, it makes it high risk for kids crossing. I just think it's I don't think it's one individual thing. I think you have to look at all of the different components to say this is just an unsafe area. And so there's no speed data. Was count that. I think the speed data would be we've called over the years. We've called the Hendersonville Police Department multiple times and offered our driveway and you know free coffee and whatever.

You just sit in my driveway and just pull people over left and right and I you know you would you'd probably pull 20 people over um between your rush hour of people going more than 10 miles above the speed limit. And and again, these are just like like my observation. You guys could validate that by putting an an officer there and they would because it's a blind curve and they could sit in my driveway. You just tag them left and right cuz they come up. My driveway is available too. They come up over that coffee with I don't say donuts. I say coffee. Oh, okay. Okay. They do also they do also have a speed trailer that has the feedback sign to let people know how fast they're going and that does collect data as well.

Unfortunately, that won't work too well because of the the drop off on the shoulder shoulders there. You can't put it in the middle of the side well in the middle of the sidewalk. So, they might even have a mobile unit as well. They have a lot of new equipment. So, that's something I could possibly request. I think a point Karen made I'll just say one more time. um is you have to creep out past all of the stopping points also at all four angles to know whether you're safe to to move or not. That in itself causes a problem because you don't have safe sidelines.

I tend to choose to go the other way. I go down Lake Terrace, come down and then back over same reasoning like a little bit further down. there. Keep in mind this is a peninsula that goes just like this and there are a lot of people on the other side all the way to the peninsula that this is their main road. So, it's not going to be a very popular thing that we do to slow traffic there, but I I think it's what we need to do. We need to do some something. And I think when you first come into the neighborhood, there is um by nanny bar at least a crosswalk that blinks. If somebody's walking, you can push that and they can walk across a little more safely. That's That's true.

But that's Well, there's a stop sign back there at the corner of East Maine and Indian Lake. So why is there a stop sign there? But there's non-stop sign here that slows traffic. You mean east and then Oh, you mean it's called east main. That's what the That's what the You mean where Indian Lake turns and then it straightens back out to India Lake again. It's called East Drive. East stop. It is already established and they're used to it. So, this one's going to

There's way more traffic there than at this one because that's further back on the peninsula. You do have people who go to their house by the time they get to this one. So, there's less traffic, but that that other intersection is perfectly, you know, and 90° angles and this one is not. And there's not a school at that one. And there's a school.

And you've got a mix of three completely different driver types here. Two of which are dangerous. uh you you've got I'm going to probably say just by assumption a driver type which we live there and we're very familiar with the risks and you know we've been been there done that and we drive accordingly. Uh and then you've got the folks that don't live back there don't and are not in and out enough to be familiar with that and they just go sailing through this thing here. And then unfortunately there's the third group which the lady who hit my son is part of that are just kind of oblivious drivers and they don't dial into any of this and they just go sailing through there. Um, so without a a detailed facial recognition based study over a period of time, I don't know what the percentages are. Uh, but I'd say half of us back through there are probably uh cautious through here, but the other half

are not at all. And you say there only been two collisions there in how many years? Five years. I mean, sorry, three years. Three years. There was one a year ago where a car got flipped upside down in the middle of that intersection. And there have been a half dozen of them that go into the ditch there. Yeah. That they may have driven away, maybe not reported. Not are not are not reported as a collision. If it's only one vehicle going into a ditch and the tow truck pulls them out, what are the criteria for collision for that statistic? No, single driver collisions are usually recorded. Okay. Um it may be if there was no property damage and it was just a runoff the road incident with no right no property damage. Maybe that doesn't get reported.

Yeah. I think a year's gone by, I haven't heard that sound. Yeah. And this is the the last point I'll make the again where you see the word Duffy's um to the right side where kids walk like right there on that sidewalk then I wish I would have gone to that neighbor and said, "Hey, come come to this meeting." the number of people who drive into their yard um they've had their mailbox replaced I don't know how many times because it's an odd turn and people are going at a high rate of speed they just miss it and they end up in their driveway. Um so again stop sign just

yeah I'm 100% back on fourway stop. I think that personally from my perspective that way best. I even though if I do go that way, I'm still pretty prayerful because I'm cautious and I'm aware, but you still are looking and not sure if you're going to see them because they are coming around that corner really fast.

I was just going to say the four-way stop is at this end of extreme and then you've got some steps involved. Um, would it be reasonable for you and your new traffic engineer to to look at this? I know it's in compliance. Um, but there's a notice issue moving forward that we'll want to talk to Lance about. Um, and then just take a second to look at it. Yes. So, I'm sorry. I just want to make sure I understood. Would you just repeat one more time? You

I was just going to say have the traffic engineer kind of listen to the YouTube and listen to these folks comments. Yeah, all the feedback. Go out there, take a second look at it. Um, just review it and you know what? Yeah. In the meantime, we'll coordinate with property maintenance as well, too.

Yeah. I was going to I'm glad you said that. I I think you know you all with coordinating because um I think something needs to be done uh period on this. The question is what needs to be done. I mean, the reality of of it is um for the city of Andersonville and it's the folks that live there and even the folks that don't live there, they're just coming to visit folks back there. So, that's the reality. and and unfortunately the traffic the the thing that bothers me is the traffic committee it did not warrant you know that's the downside of it you know as far as being an alderman um the downside is this it didn't warrant anything but that doesn't mean that there's something that needs to be done just because they say it that doesn't make it right you know um so I would say and I would agree with Mike I think we just revisited didn't look at it also with your maintenance people. Uh um the vegetation there needs I guess needs to be trimmed back is that part needs to be the the whatever the vegetation needs to be replaced or just

it'll have to run through property maintenance because it is on private private property, right? Yeah. So that's what we'll do.

This is one already. I know anytime children are involved and this is just me as an alderman from W one but anytime uh that there are children involved it's it's a matter of importance for me. Um well I could go in but well this is true too. anytime there's folks that got hurt that get hurt, that's importance for me, but children especially. Um, so we really need to put this on the the forefront for the for the not only for the children, but for the parents and then the people that live over there. Anyway, so uh about what time do you think that would you could look at this and and thoroughly do a review on it, send it to the mayor's office and then send it to us and and we can talk about it back in committee again. Do you I mean but don't don't kill yourself over it. But

yeah, no, I mean we could we could definitely have um a re-evaluation for other options, right, available for the next meeting in the meantime. work through some of these other things including replacing the missing crossing sign. Okay. Um as well as working with property maintenance to get the Does the road crew have one of those signs? I think it's up for now for school, but for some reason So you're talking about going that way. Um I was talking about the crosswalk um notification sign for the it's a school zone crosswalk sign. Um and I think that the picture indicated maybe one direction had it and the other one was missing. needs to have both and it might be there currently because of school's in session. So, um

we'll take I don't think it ask we'll look at it and see. And during your last comments there, I had a one call it a final final who has the thingy to zoom out on this. I wasn't paying any attention.

U more little more. All right, there we go. and and center home of school. We're talking about kids, you think school, all when they're going to school and when they're getting out of school. There's this half hour hour period where you're really concerned about that stuff. This isn't just a school. It's like centerpiece of a of a child magnet. This whole place this whole area is a play area. You've got the uh uh you've got this park across over here that kids are riding their bicycles to all from over in here to here which puts them down a rain tree and down Indian lake and around here on in terrace. You've got the uh playgrounds that are used after school uh throughout the course of the summer. Uh you've got the Indian Lake Recreation Club here which has people walking and riding bikes all through the the summer. Uh I mean it's

So what you're telling me there is it's not just a 7:30 to 3:30 problem. No. Um Monday through Friday. It's an anytime Okay. It's a really good problem. Okay. Yeah. this. And I mean, there's traffic studies. I wish we could again get the NSA to give us some satellite footage and you could speed it up and you could watch the kids that are in the in this area all the time. Yeah. I mean, I think you make it if you look how straight that runway is. It literally people pick up speed because they're on this long runway and then they get it goes downhill and then they get to this odd intersection. Can you place the school up again?

There's just cuz I want to look at this stretching when they get and the same thing right here going north up Middle Lake and it passes and becomes Lake Terrace again briefly they're going and then they see the school in front of them but then they got this unexpected lift and these these oluded low visibility side streets here it's a lot to process for a lot of drivers you So I'm I'm

well what we'll do is is we're going to re-evaluate it and then I'm feel comfortable in saying we'll have a our whole committee here to discuss this again and we'll enlighten Mr. Roersonson on what has transpired here um when I really appreciate you guys coming this evening. Thanks for the chance to talk. Yeah. I appreciate you and I appreciate your committee for taking this serious. Oh, listen. We do. We take, you know, anything comes before this committee. We're Yeah. I hope that's the only time in my life I see my kid in an ambulance. Yes, sir. I listen. I So, what's the accident before after June 27th? Oh, hell. I don't know if they wouldn't.

It was before before June before June 27th. Well, what happened on June 27th? The traffic parking committee meeting. Oh, yeah. Did you guys speak of that? No, we we about normally they don't I I didn't contact I didn't contact Alderman Dixon uh for probably a month after after it just kept eating at me cuz I'm I'm sorry I guess I'm not a really really active community activist. the first meeting of take a little process.

Um well, this meeting is a little different than a lot of the meetings um because I really I like I as a chairman of this committee and and I hope after I'm gone that other people will do the same thing. It's important for me not to get up here and speak a lot because I want to know what you guys think. and the alderman and and right here uh well both these guys are very good alderman and uh when you did did you contact Oh yeah we've been okay because I because she's very good at what she does

she's she's as far as I'm concerned she's very good at what she does in fact all of us really we've got a great board of mayor and alderman for the city of Hendersonville and u I'm proud to work with them over the So, this is what we're going to do because we are concerned about it. We're going to put it instead of, you know, normally in committee that a lot of things might go to two weeks out. I'm sorry for that. I should have put it on silence. Um, but we're going to move this up for next month. Okay. And I hope that you all would come back.

Okay. Um, because that will be the one that's very very very very important to come. So I appreciate you doing that. Thank you. And can we get invite other neighbors right there, you know, as far as public works goes, I mean the more the marrier. We we enjoy the people,

you will find and and I may be speaking out of out of school. I think you'll find that uh if you put a dot in the middle of an intersection and started putting concentric circles around it and asking people if they were interested in coming to a meeting about doing something about that intersection, we'll end up with a larger and larger crowd in the room. Uh there's a lot of us uh that uh apparently just been below just below trigger threshold. Right. Right. And and so I think we've been quiet as a community on it. But

well, I will say this. I'm not, it's not a get up off my soap box on this, but one of the things I think that this board does that is very unique more than than any other board that I've served on, and I've served on a whole bunch of them, is we're good at taking care of the big things, but when we have things that are smaller, and I don't mean that this is a small problem, but in the scope of a 60,000 uh sure people community, uh, you know we recognize this and and we like to attack uh those things as well. I mean every

appreciate if you don't live on the peninsula you would never know this is an issue. If you live on the peninsula you've wondered why that intersection doesn't have steps. That's right. So, you know, you've enlightened me a little bit because I was going like I thought there were but you know and then I go no and I start thinking about it because I go all over the city you know with public works and I go yeah damn right if you're at the end of the peninsula let's say you're driving down that road um do you stop at all until you get to East Drive and so you go probably a couple miles

without Yeah. So that I you know and people you know and I was thinking that because I've been I've been down there I go well there there's no and then with what the traffic committee said it made me realize there's not a stop sign it's just a straight shot until east drive right so um but we're in other words enough of that and then that's it till Main Street right and then you got that we got we got one we got one stop sign back there so it's you know Yeah. You know what? Last thing I Sorry, that's all right. That that speed does change later. Um towards that intersection, it goes to from 35 to 30.

Yeah. I don't know why that wouldn't be a 30. So even that extra 5 miles down, the 30 came, believe it or not, do you know what I'm talking about? Yeah. If you were to scroll up, there's another kind of an odd little spot and I'll kind of guide you. You can't see it's just past Chalkall right there. Right there. Um right where it says Indian Lake. Do you see Chalkaw down at the bottom where your cursor? Yeah, it does. It goes down right there. It's painted on the ground that the speed limit drops to 30 there. It's actually painted on the ground before you get around to the curb. before you get to the big curve.

And maybe the big curve is why it's 30 there because that is an odd big curve on that curve. Yeah, it's East Drive that is 30 miles hour. So, but it's the same road kind of. Yes, I understand exactly what you're saying. It runs into East Drive, but you're right. It's the curve of East Drive that warrants a lower speed limit. Keep Yeah, keep going. You're almost there. You get up over this little ridge right past this right there on the ground. In a second it's going to say it or else this was painted is paint right there. So it changes at 35. This is 35. Going back up to 35 or something.

Yeah, it's going back up to 35. Somewhere by the way it is 30%. somewhere it's 30 because you have to remind everybody it goes back to 35. So maybe drop it to 30 be the time for 30 but it's not I don't remember it. I don't remember. We we I'm going tell you just to be blunt the the folks that are buzzing around back in there. Don't pay any attention to the speed limit signs and the I don't even want to talk about the people we see on their cell phones driving by and it's not kids. Don't blame it on the 16 to 18 year olds. It's the It's 45-year-old soccer moms playing on the phone while they're driving and the trades people and everybody, you know, just Well, what we're soccer dads, what we're going to do is take a look at it.

Yeah. And then at our next meeting, which is the um our next meeting would be September 25th, I think. Yeah. I think it is the 25th, is it? Let's see. 23rd. The 23rd. Yes. Oh, yes. You're right. 23rd. Is that correct? I think so. Yes. All right. Do Do you have any comments on this issue there? Yes. Looks like a great spot for a roundabout, but it does. You can actually

You can have part of my yard for that because the kill we have everyone's yard. We may be able to do You know, we'll talk to the other two. Do we have any roundabouts built in? Where where Sam's Club? Yeah. So, we're looking at other location. Oh, yeah. Right in front of willing to offer this home. Yeah. That's so true. I would actually donate a chunk of my yard. My wife's family's from Bowling Green, Kentucky, and Bowling Green, Kentucky has decided to put a roundabout in every Yeah. Yeah, everything. Every But it's slows traffic. It keeps traffic moving even at slows traffic. It's a great solution.

They are very low maintenance, too. You got to shut a lot of water there at that intersection. You get a lot of water shutting down from the lake. Yeah. So, it it' probably be pretty expensive. Be pretty cheap to just put a stop sign up. That's what I'm saying. I'm not I'm not I'm not ambitious enough to ask. Thank you, God. Thank you. It's good to see round. Thank you all for the chance to talk. Appreciate it.

I don't know. We didn't get anything right back at work. J back at work. Thank you so much. Okay. Byebye. Well, we're wrong. I'll wait till the camera goes off. All right. Um, very good discussion and and I kind of let it get out of hand for just a second, but then it calmed back down. Another trash collection.

Yes. I'm sorry. I'm just looking. Uh, yeah, we that's the only thing we've got. Uh, we are going to put this on the agenda for the 23rd. Well, not the only thing we have, but coming up. We're going to put this on the uh next meeting u to discuss uh trash collection update.

Yes. So, uh the numbers were up just a little bit from last month. Um there was an issue with a broken down truck and then um also a staff member ended up um being sent home for the day after finding a de deceased resident um just natural causes. So we did um have a couple of times where we had higher than usual misses but um justifiably so. So uh still they do continue to to do very well. Were they in the house or do you know or don't want to talk? We don't have to talk about just curious. I don't know all of the details.

All right. Um let's go on to uh rolling acres entrance signage. Uh yes we discussed this briefly last month. Um this is at Sely in New Shackle Island. They have the brick entrance sign. Yes. That um one continues to get hit and they are all on private property. And so um one of the property owners has brought it to the city and asked to donate an easement so that we will maintain uh the brick entryway sign. And so the question that I believe it was Alderman Robertson had asked last month was whether um the decorative sign and post uh grant program that we put that uh

mayor put together whether that would apply here and I did review that and I did not find that that would apply here and even so it was specific to traffic signs and and decorative posts and the grant program was just for the city to reimburse the amount of what it would cost us to purchase that same fine. Um, so I think we're generally talking anywhere from $50 to $100. Um, so I don't I don't think that that I don't believe that would apply in the situation. Okay. Um, I don't think Alderman Robson knows about this yet, right? Um, no, he may not.

Okay. I don't think so either. Um, let's just go ahead and not do anything on this and let him let uh, you know, let him know find out or know not find out but tell him about it. Yeah. Not and let him do that and then u and see what he you know what the what approach that he would because it's his ward and no that's war three isn't it? Okay. But you would like to defer to next month so he can Yeah, let me do that. Participate. If that's no objection, I mean that I, you know, he was the one that brought it to his baby. Yeah. Okay. So,

all right. I've kind of got an idea of where this needs to go or where it heads, but just because I think it it doesn't make it right. So, um, light synchronization. So, we don't I don't really have much of an update. We are still waiting for um the obligation of the CMAC funds and then um and then we can request the notice to proceed to construction. Okay. I'm being Eddie now. So, so the CC funds it when they get here then we go to construction, right?

That's right. So the the TIP amendment is in it's been approved through the policy board for GNRC but has to be approved through um FHWA and then they can obligate those funds. So when are you expecting uh the light synchronization to be done? You know, we've been working on this a long time. Long time. Um I don't know. We're subject to their timeline to get those additional funds. Okay. So worth the wait. Yeah. Yeah. So that sound like a bad Eddie acting those very good financial impact. Yeah.

And if you watch us Eddie we're teasing you. We love you. So um so hurry back. Um let's see here. Uh okay. Now we're down to other business. Um does anybody have any business at all? Um I do. Um, can you tell us just a little bit which I've been having some calls which I'm very grateful for the city about uh the uh um how much do we have to do for the summer? Do we are we just beginning? Are we through middle through or

we're milled through approximately I want to say I was looking at earlier today approximately 11 lane miles. So, we're approaching very close to halfway. Okay. Once we get the invoices for stop 30 and for retreat, that will kind of dictate what we're actually able to complete this year.

Okay. And then the only other thing is I had a uh I spoke at a uh and I'm going to be at another one homeowners association in Harbortown and they were curious about the of course I already told them about the bond money that's you know it's been sold it's gone they don't have left there because

it they had to do some drainage projects and they took the money out and they understand that But, um, I I do probably want to give you a call and just tell, you know, encourage the public works to take a look at their subdivision cuz I drove it and as I normally do and and walk it, too. Uh, I've already I've only done it once this year because of the heat. I haven't walked it, but I have today and yesterday were nice.

Oh, I know. Beautiful days. Uh, but I had to catch on there. Catch up on everything else. So, uh, but, um, what, uh, I and and it looks, you know, like it might there's certain sections that need it more than others, but but I will talk to you privately about that, you know, or we can speak. Um, um, anything else? Yeah. Um, do we have an update on the bridge recladding efforts? The bridge cladding.

Clatting. Oh. Oh. Oh. Um, so Andy and I were talking about that. My understanding from the last meeting was that uh we were going to look at bringing something midyear for funding because there's no funding to do either one of the options that were presented.

Well, didn't they get a $3.5 million grant that they were going to look to see if they could use some of those? Uh the grant I think was specific to certain park areas that they had identified in the grant application, but I would have to defer to Andy to give the final answer on that, but that was my understanding of that. Um, if I might interject to and I think you and I had the same email and I looked into that and it is not or some of other projects that we could do like you know when we discussed about the wood and the wire like for a park like that

the Drakes Creek Park bridge. No, the Oh, the board one. Yeah, the board. Okay. Yeah. Yeah, we couldn't use that funding for that. And I told her that, but that's a good question. But I think but we can check with Andy just to verify cuz you know, I could be just talking out he would need to get it finally on that, I think. But my understanding was because he's responsible for it. He's responsible for it. But we've looked into that and I appreciate you bringing it up. Uh because that is important. Should we add it as a regular other agenda item? We could if you want. I mean, just think about it. Okay.

Um so if you're going to go ask for funding, it sounds like you've got um a solution in mind and a cost. Uh I think the way we were going to approach it was we would provide because we have quotes and so we would bring uh the estimated cost for the different options for the board to approve one or none or pick one make that decision and then fund it. Okay. Yeah. All right. That'll go to Spo. I would think that would go to Well, it probably go to public works with the midyear budget

proposal and then and then Okay. All right. Any any other item? Well, I just need a motion to adjourn. Okay. Motion to adjourn. 6 o'lock.