Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

All right, I apologize for the delay. Uh it is 5:29. We'll go ahead and call our uh plan commission meeting to order. Uh there is a public hearing regarding reszoning for zero south central which is uh the beer property uh from uh its current zoning classification to C2 for the purposes of outdoor storage. So uh it's a public hearing. Um and I guess we'd open the floor if anybody has any questions or concerns about that. Yes, ma'am.

Is that the ball fields? No. No.

I don't.

Okay. How many is there going to be a fence around or anything like that?

Well, there will be screening as you know. We don't anticipate a whole lot of business for quite a while. Um the whole idea is to offer something extremely affordable to people [snorts] because the current storage facility here is pretty much full and checking with I I own a storage facility in southeast Hamilton County and all the ones around me are at least $90 a month on a has partial coverage and it's $245 to 300 a month. And what we're offering is an affordable alternative like say for like 25 small boats 40 the large RV because as time goes on you can't have more two cars We have a problem with that now cars to drive.

Sure. Sure. So, we would offer an alternative uh for people to go to that would be close by and um affordable. Also, just due to its location, there's Morris Reservoir is pretty far south. The ice is even further. So we're not anticipating you know extreme amount of demand but as you know success would come hopefully then there would be more and better. So you guys like from where the barn and stuff is to the south is that what you're talking about building or east? Well, it's just two acres

two acres of that which has about 60 ft of of frontage for a driveway and then a lot would be naturally screened between behind the barn and the out building. Um so, so we're fixing the drainage issue right there too or Yeah, 100%. That's just what it does now is it flows around and then actually since they built the new house stopped all the water from flowing through the drain, right? So it kind of screwed everything up. Yeah. Yeah. Because it worked so well. I remember I used to own

foster and it always had a problem to the north side of the house and you know it could freeze and be an ice skating rink and a swimming pool and uh you know in the middle of the summer it would normally dry up but um after the drain was added it really helped other as long as we keep the corn stalks and everything out of it. Well, the issue is it comes around since they built the new house, right? It stopped the flow of everything. They cut five tiles in that field, building that basement. Is that correct? Yeah. Yeah.

Well, that's something that Andy has to, you know, be approved at all, but Oh, absolutely. Yeah. You know, it [clears throat] can be rectified. Uh, but the bad part is Hampton County's up, 19 foot from that drain into that property. My main concern is where you're building the storage facility, there's a flooding issue there. So, we're all paid for in that vicinity. Well, I am as well as new neighbor and all that stuff and everything else. So, that's my concern. How's this water going to shed? What we're going with um

because I know that the new neighbor had to build a whole swell because he had no idea whatsoever about the flooding issue there. It definitely did create new pockets of ponding that didn't exist before there when the house was built. Yes, 100%. And so it's not deep, but it what we would use for a surface would be asphalt millings because they not only don't create dust, but they facilitate drainage. If you use 53s with shaker, it becomes like Absolutely.

And then you then you really have a problem. So whatever we would do would not add to the problem. Uh you know there's a 5 acre parcel between [snorts] us and the ball diamond. Yes sir. [clears throat] And uh the it may be something that could be worked with in conjunction with the person who owns that. Um so because there's there's You know, I'm not a perk expert. Yeah, absolutely. Or whatever, but I, you know, I don't think anything that we would do would add to the problem.

The way it sits right now is all that water comes around or goes through your their old backyard, I guess, right [snorts] there where the barn is, and it goes through there. And since they cut the swell in where the new neighbor is, now it flows. Now what it does, it goes to the drain out there by the road in front of the new house, backs up under my drive and back out into my front yard. So it's created a huge problem for me. Sure.

Right. So now you're now you're going to stop more water and push it somewhere else. My main is where all this water going to go? If you're putting storage in here, that's where the water is now. Creates a big flood area. Water comes from the north and works its way around from the south. Well, it's been a long time been out there. Well, I've seen that whole area before the house was developed. That's why all the water settled there because it was coming in a big argument with the guy who owned it that bought it from Aaron. Oh, yeah. I know what you're talking about. Okay.

Larry. Okay. And he put some he put [snorts] in broadian soil and build it up back where there used to be somewhat of a tree line between that three. Uh there's always better. Well, he cut swings. He added to it indic.

Yeah, I talked to indic that three acres because what it did was it damned it up so he could put a crop in that year. Then it got knocked down and that's when things were dry. And he goes, "Thank you very much." because they got a big argument about where is this water coming from? Any cop said I know because I have farms that's coming from around here. It's coming there and Charlie I think at time argued with him and you know and then said well you just prove my point because when you added the soil and kept all the stuff on your side I was able to have crop for the first time on that side planted either way. always by side. Am I mistaken on that?

Well, there's a house now. Yeah, I live in the house. And I've known Larry my entire life. Live around here and the waters always came from the south. The south I mean you can see the incline. It comes off the other field from the south. Absolutely. So what's what stopped the entire project was that house built which I talked and now it ends up behind the old house and right there had a problem until they built that house and that house we lived there before that

well I owned it since 2003 and I know you know

I kept handicott never had a problem If anything, it wasn't enough water that damaged the ST other than to the north of the property where that house was built. That was the only place with the exception of there was a spot on the corner would probably be the southeast corner that would probably it was probably maybe 30 by 10. And that was the only other spot on there besides where that house was built that ever retained water. And so when they put in the drain, it was so great. I mean, I paid on that for years and years and years. And the increase on all that and it was in the field and occasionally we had stop.

We had him county department come out and talk to us. Well, actually talk to the a new neighbor there who bought the property from folks or whatever. Um, and he gave us sign on a lot of things. So, I just want to know what's lar What's going Well, if we have where our drive is on just this side of the 5 acre parcel. Yes.

Okay. If if we you know obviously there got to be a way to get back behind it. We're going to try to build. So if we put asphalt buildings there they will drain but they also may also heat some of the water flow going south. Okay. And especially so it's going to stop. So push it towards the other five acres toward the ball field. Well, if if that's what if that can solve a problem. So, you push on somebody else. Well, we would have it. So, we have to have a way to get in and out. The end result of that was that it slowed down more water.

So, we're not as down. Okay. We're not building any buildings for No. In fact, there won't be any garden as far as We're not just parking. Yeah. Right. We don't need any improvements from Atlanta. We don't need, you know, any utility.

So there'll be no lights out there for any of it or anything like that. Only time that I could see there would be a necessity for that if there was a problem or if there were lights, they could be made in such a way because you're not legally allowed to have some movements leave your property. So if you have the right direction like if you go to the east then they shouldn't be offensive for anybody. You probably have something uh solar with motion sensor.

That's my that's my nexus too is we're talking about storing stuff here, right? Which is successful amazing job as far as keeping it cheap and everything else. You start storing stuff there's no lighting, there's no nothing. So now we're creating crime possibly. I'm not from right here. But I know there's theft, right? So that's that's my next concern. Now we got stuff in there.

Well, I I can speak for my own experience. I've got a storage facility and it's very off and that for whatever reason I don't know if it's because between boats and campers if they're not being used I don't think too many people will probably leave that much that would be an attraction We do need to of course

come back around to this. This requires right here for outdoor storage fencing, not screening fencing is what's required in the documents that you all have reviewed already. And it also um it's a special exception use. So that's a a variance, right? We would do as the necessity to fence two and a half acres right off the get-go would be cost prohibitive for you trying to do anything

$27 a foot for six foot shadow box or whatever. So, uh we have some natural screening and there was debate on whether you know personally I thought C3 would be better which requires that you have tree screening and not fencing as I recall. Um it's a minimum of three acres for C3. So I think that um in one of the previous meetings you did say that we would it would be like the C2 zoning with the C3 uh screen. I would never say anything like that. We go by what the book says.

Okay. That's a that's not us anyway. Yeah. this has already been decided for us. Um, it's possible that yeah, through the zone the that appeals process with the BCA that certain exceptions could be made potentially, but we don't have a problem with putting up fencing that, you know, that's what would be required to get an affirmative. Sure. [snorts] So, I've got concerns for drainage and for lighting. Are there any other questions or or concerns from anybody present tonight?

When you're exiting out that field, you exit right there where your uh your black top screens are now. Yes. I mean, how's that going toffect you trailer? What I read you apply for what Harley boats uh trailer? Yeah. Everything has to be on wheels. But the length coming across you're going to get 60 ft wide. It's 60 ft wide and the you have the configuration of the land's sort of weird because the the house in the one acre goes here and then a lot of the two acres goes behind that.

So the the drive is is large but large but you have a huge area to maneuver. We don't anticipate having to pack them in. Like one of the biggest complaints I hear about storage facilities is people damaging others people's property when they're going in and out.

So if what I do at my place is I have 15 [clears throat] ft wide by 40 ft deep for each space I angle park them so that there's, you know, plenty of room between two 14t spaces to navigate. And of course, Jacqueline Beer, my daughter here, uh, you know, has a lot of room to navigate back there. So, uh, but we don't want people to upset and we would have, you know, plenty of room for the proper parking and navigation on the property.

You'd be you'd be pulling in rather than backing in. You would never I wouldn't expect anybody back on my property, I have a turn around in the back that's always open so that my property is only 100 ft wide but it's 2 and 12 acres. So they, you know, we have people come in and then back into a spot. So that way when they're ready to go, all they have to do is pull in and go out, you know, at angle to give them the maximum amount of room, which amounts to about 40 to 45 ft. Well, I think Bill's concern was people backing in, right? And getting over on the other

Yeah. But but pulling in, I mean, I I wouldn't see there'd be a problem 60 ft wide if you can't hit a 60 foot wide driveway with an RV. I mean, I put mine in the one the storage up here and it's only 12 feet wide. So, I wouldn't expect that. I mean, backing up, I can see that would be a problem if people had to back in there, but pulling in, I don't I think people could do that relatively easily. I know you could. Central, right? Yes. 635 Central is the house. Yeah, I know what the address, but your entrance would be off Central, right? Yes. But further to the south, on the south side of the

And it had been used,

it had been used. My daughter has a barriers there that she had a clothing boutique and all that and as far as I know that um there weren't any complaints that I'm aware of. Um we we've learned a long time ago it's just better to get along with your neighbors than to try to fight them and at my place I I put a very tall fence in it because it's allowed on C3 commercial with the county and I had a natural screen on one side with trees. So I put all the taller stuff and the longer RVs over there and then I have six foot channel box I'm eventually increase that to 8 ft, which [snorts] is the maximum allowed so that people that do have homes on the other side. Right now, they can't see anything just with the exception of, you know, like on a boat if they have one of those towers or something like that. but in the future. Um, and it's it's a pretty low impact type of business as far as, you know, where I'm at, there are so many neighborhoods and the HOAs the way they are. People have to have a place to go, but Nolesville's so stringent on their zoning that the amount of outdoor storage available is very limited. and what is available. People are in my opinion gouging, you know, in some of their pricing. It's a matter of supply and demand. But we're so far we've moved up here.

I don't think we're going to have a real, you [clears throat] know, situation. All right. We need to move on from Noblesville back to this property. You have a question. Yeah. I want I want to hear some more about the water problem that's back there that has been exacerbated because of the the new house that was put in there and the water doesn't drain in the front. property. The gentleman who bought the property uh just south of me ended up cutting a swell in to take care of some of that water um that leads it around his property next to my property, next to my little swell into the drain out front there. So, it does drain. Okay,

it does, but it it adds a lot of water back on my property because what water doesn't drain in the drain back backs up into my property underneath my driveway then the front. Is it a question of having the drain cleaned out or drain cleaned out? That's all That's all county own. That's all county. County owned, county drain. Is it county drain that goes? I don't know if when the house is built if any field tiles got cut, but there's nothing that [cough and clears throat] from an enforcement standpoint that I know of that five or six tiles. Yeah. So, I don't think I don't know. To my knowledge, we can't hook those back together. kind of happens a lot.

It happens out in the fields because and you just hope will put it back together and there wasn't the sewer. So So behind the house is where you're talking about behind the beer's property is is Yeah. It comes in behind there by the pool and then to there that's that's my main concern. Where's this water going to go? When it rains it it does flood back there. I mean he lives across the street. So I and my next concern is we're just going to be putting chip and seal on this uh parking lot. Correct. Is that understand that correctly? Asphaltings.

Asphalt millings. So all these vehicles sit back that are leaking oil possibly and things like that just going into the ground contain it. So you're saying possibly that could actually be with oil and making things like that. Is that right? I' I've been doing this for over 20 years and I've not had any problems from boats or RVs, but usually people who spend that kind of money don't have leaky stuff. Not saying it's not possible. Absolutely. Uh but we're not interested in you know, old job. Well, it wouldn't be any different than the one up here by BP. I don't know. I I don't know what he's running. I'm not sure.

It's going to be nothing but oil, fuel, things like Well, I mean, you would have the same situation up here because it's an outdoor travel thing. You could have the same thing. So, um, so what even if we even if nothing happens, is there a remedy to that problem or Yeah, I think that's a problem for a different that's a different different problem. Yeah, that's probably something that needs to go to the county as far as addressing storm issues down there along their I mean, that's their area. That's their jurisdiction. Okay. There's county drain there at that Jackson central intersection which is how do you get the water there?

Okay, that too right does have to have fenc not by our standards by the BZA. It has to be a special

it's what it's the zoning classification for C2. It's a special exception use for outdoor storage and it requires a fence and a special exemption use by its on its own uh dictates that it has to go to the BCA for that for that uh approval. So um do any of you on the plan commission here have any thoughts, questions, concerns? I I have a concern of Let's say two years down the road. I mean, it's not really a concern because it's not my property, but two years down the road, if you don't park anything there anymore, are you just going to leave the millings there or is that something that would be removed?

Well, we put down enough millings to suit whatever the demand was. Okay. So, we're not going to just like blanket cut two acres two acres of millings. Okay. Fair enough. That's all. [snorts] Anybody ready to take action on this? I have a question first. So if we do the reszone for C2 but without because I hope to go through the BBA Mhm. [clears throat] is the approval tonight just for the C2. Correct. Okay. And then we'll decide for if I want to do the special exception.

Right. propert vice versa, right? Like you wouldn't want those kids to be on their property or I don't know that the BCA can say you could do it without a fence. I'm not sure. Um but either way, they they would have to go to them for approval. So that's an additional layer here. None of us on the council who are on this plan commission board have anything to do with that. You're on the BCA as well, right? So, um, Mrs. Teal is a a crossover member. She's a member of both boards.

A lot of good points. Well, just the safety for both sides, right? For the kids and for them, too. I I feel much better about it having a fence around it. I strongly believe in fences. I mine's fest just to deter kids from wanting to explore to have to have screening. I I wouldn't put mine there if there was fence damage. Sure. Right. I mean, yeah, it only makes sense. Neil, you had some I I'm just wondering how you can have that big a light, though.

There's there's standards for lights. Um, I don't know if it's a requirement or not, but if there are lights there, I mean, there's standards for it for how the light, what type of light and how bright and how it points and things like that. So, I would imagine 95% or better. People would always go there at daylight hours um get your camper boats. Many times they just leave the trailer and, you know, get their boat, but they still spot for their trailer. Uh so they're not so big that they're creating any there's something in their license.

No, but the county is going to do what they're going to do unless they come into the town. It's requirement, but it's a state law. Oh, that somebody have a recommendation to to uh approve this or deny it or do you want to table it for a future meeting? A lot of good we points. I don't have a problem with moving forward with

I I don't I I have some what of concern about the water, but I don't think that's our problem to fix right now. Um I I think we should move forward. You need a motion or we need to discuss. Somebody can make a motion. Yeah, I'll make a motion we approve this. All in favor? I Any opposed?

All right. Um, we've got another one here which is to reszone the uh town's property, the baseball facility to C2 as well. And that's at the request of the people that uh have made an offer on the property and uh we are scheduled to close on this property tomorrow and they would like this to be C2 uh for the purposes of uh it's a construction company, concrete company. um storing some equipment there, maybe having an office there. Um so we have applied to the plan commission to reszone this property. Any questions about uh this

office or what's it consist of? I mean, are they going to be manufacturing some? No manufacturing. If you'd like to explain what your setup is. going to be a place for us to store our equipment. I'll just I'm going to put up probably four or five buildings just like the boat place across the street. Just a place to store our equipment and and maybe down the road maybe I would rent out, you know, one of the other two buildings. Um there's [snorts] we just come in the morning, get in our trucks, go to our job sites, come back in the evening. We don't sell anything. Uh we don't make concrete or anything there. We don't store gravel there or anything at all like that. trucks.

I'm sorry. No, no, no concrete trucks. We we we have triaxual dump trucks, but no concrete trucks or anything like that. And [clears throat] the for the most part, everything's stored indoors. Uh the larger trucks will be kept outside and like our forms and stuff. We do the basement, they're in big baskets and stuff. We use a crane and stuff to lift those. That'll be kept outside also. But but I got no problem doing a fence and all that. And I would keep that equipment behind the barn just so visually everything looks nice and all that stuff. [snorts] Do you plan on having lights? Yes. The dawn lights. I'll put them on the east side of the building. That way they would shine that, you know, to the back.

Okay. Any other questions? I make a motion we approve the zoning change. Second. All in favor? I I Any oppose? All right, that's that's what we have on the agenda for the plan commission meeting. I appreciate everybody's patience. I apologize for the uh late start. I do apologize for that. We are bumping right up against six o'clock. So, is there a motion to adjourn this meeting? I'll make a motion we adjourn. I'll second. All in favor? I Thank you very much for your Thank you, Neil. Yep.