Planning and Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

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Good evening. Ladies and gentlemen. Thank you, sir. Good evening. Ladies and gentlemen as well. County board planning zone and commission regular meeting of May 19th. And call this meeting to order and ask everybody to rise for the pledge of allegiance. Roger, would you be to send a pledge to the United States of America? Publicly, it's a stance under God indivisible investors for. Thank God that wasn't a competition. We want to be safe.

May I have a roll call please? Roll call you step in here. John here Kimberly Mitchell. Roger battenhausen Karen warwick. Louis never at and Matthew Garland. We have a quorum.

We have minutes of May 12th to approve. Um. May I have a motion to improve minutes. I have a motion a 2nd, anybody have any changes or. Or alterations, they would make good minutes. No, okay. Have a roll call please.

Kimberly Mitchell John Kieffner.

Yes.

Roger battenhausen. Matt Garland. Yes. Lewis never at Karen Warwick and chairman Houston. Yes. Approved.

Our first case tonight is ZC-26-010 and V-26-019. And Alec Van Patten will be our presenter.

Yeah. Got it.

Uh, so I am reviewing zoning case 26, 0, 1, 0, uh, the order of property is vice rec bus. Uh, the applicant is requesting a variance to allow construction of an addition to existing pole bar. Why shouldn't it? Okay. Okay, there it goes. Uh, so the subject property is within green card and township, uh, located on the North side of harvest hills road. The property is owned a 2 with 2.5 acres of area 174 feet of lot frontage along harvest hills road. Uh, the a 2 zoning district requires a minimum minimum lot area of 2.5 acres and 300 feet of lot frontage. It was originally planned as part of law 18 in the harvest hills unit 2 subdivision, but was divided on June 1st, 1988. Uh, this was after the adoption of lot standards in 1978, making it illegal nonconforming law. Uh, this is a 2025 aerial of the property. The property is improved with the single single family home and pole barn. The residence was built in 1987, according to green garden assessor records, which was before the lot was divided in 1988 and became an illegal nonconforming law. The owner was put in violation for starting to build proposed addition to pole barn without obtaining a building permit. Uh, this 32 by 48 edition, put them above the maximum accessory building area of 3000 square feet for a 2 district. Uh, they got administrative adjustment for maximum accessory building area. Uh, that was approved January 23rd, 2026. And then this is a plan survey showing, uh. The proposed edition of the pole barn, which is outlined in red. And then look for the physical characteristics, so this is a view looking at the subject property, showing the deficiency in lot frontage. This is the view of the pole barn that has the proposed addition. This is the view looking South at the adjacent property across harvest Hill road. This is a view East at the adjacent property view West at the adjacent property on this view, looking Southwest across harvest Hill road adjacent property. This is the view looking East down harvest Hill road and the view looking West along harvest Hill road. Uh, so now to go over section 1, the variance standards and review criteria, a staff finds the owner's play is due to unique circumstances. The applicant purchased the property in 2024 already as a nonconformity to parcel with a single family residency and pole bar staff finds the variance. If granted will not alter the central character of the locality property. Um, nearby got an administrative adjustment approved for minimum lot frontage from 300 feet to 175 feet. Uh, the parcel is located in harvest hills unit to subdivision or most of the parcels are zoned a 2 and deficient and lot frontage. And then looking at section 2, this is a summary of full list of the review criteria analysis can be found a staff report staff finds the owner's hardship is due to physical surrounding shape or to topographical conditions of the property. A lot was created division law area on June 1st, 1980 after adoption County lost answers in 1978. this makes it illegal nonconforming law illegal nonconforming lots are not buildable lots. Uh, thus preventing the owner from building the proposed edition on his staff's professional opinion that the legislative difficulty and hardship was not created by the property owner. The parcel was created deficient lot French on June 1st, 1988, according to the recorded D, the applicant acquire the property on July 1st, 2024. So, staff is recommending approval for the variance and I can answer any questions they want.

Oh, man. I have no questions. Anyone have questions. Thank you very much, sir. Before we go any further, I'm going to swear everybody in who's going to testify tonight. So all who have signed in who are going to testify, please raise your right hand. I swear to tell the truth. The whole truth is nothing but the truth. So help me God. I do. Thank you now. Are there any concerns citizens or objectives to this case? There are not okay. Is the primary here? Or the owner yes, sir. We have no concerns citizens or objectives to this case. And we have a recommendation of approval from staff. Would you care to speak? Or do you want us to just go ahead and vote?

Okay, chairman for case 26 to 010. I am B dash 26 to 019. I would make a motion for approval. Of a variance for minimum frontage from 300 feet to 174 feet.

Second, I have a motion a 2nd, may I have a roll call please?

Kimberly Mitchell. John Kiefner? Yes. Roger Battenhausen? Yes. Matt Garland? Yes. Lewis Navarrete? Yes. Karen Warrick? Yes. And Chairman Hustepen? Yes. Approved.

Are those chairs over there comfortable? You can have a seat if you'd like.

You don't have to stand. It's going to take a little while.

Our next case tonight is ZC-26-013 slash V-26-113. And Jesus Presento will be our presenter.

Okay, before I get started, I do want to ask if the property owner, Sharon shows, or the agent for this case, um, many monroe is here for this only case. If they are not, it appears that they're not staff would. Seek a vote of postponement to the next meeting, which I believe is June 16th as the applicant did not provide the certified mailings or based assigned on the property.

Mr chairman, I'd make a motion to postpone to I don't even remember the date you said now June 16th. 61626 or 26. Dash 013.

Do I have a 2nd, I have a motion and I have a 2nd to postpone this to June. 16th was that you said, sir? Yes.

June 6.

Yes. May have a roll call vote please.

Kimberly Mitchell. Yes. John Kieffner. Yes. Roger battenhausen Matt Garland Lewis never at Karen Warwick and chairman Houston.

Yes.

And could I have that motion again? Who did what. John, and who was 2nd. Thank you.

Our next case tonight is case number ZC-26-016-V-26-114. Alec Van Patten will be the presenter.

Uh, so I'm reviewing zoning cases, 26, 016, the owner property, uh, CKC Ventures, LLC, uh, with Karina Breitbart and Greg Breitbart own each owning 50%, uh, and CKC Ventures employee profit shape, uh. Profit sharing plan, uh, 401k, which has the same, uh, split ownership between Karina and Greg Breitbart. The applicants were questioning variants to build a stupid porch, uh, at the existing doorways of their property.

Come on. Why? Why is this that way?

Okay, there it goes. So this image shows the zoning map with subject properly outlined and read the subject properties within lockport township located on the corner of Cameron Avenue and green garden place. The property is zoned or 4 with 13,250 square feet of area and 90.14 feet of a lot frontage along Cameron Avenue and 147.1 feet of law French on green garden place. The R4 zoning district requires a minimum lot area of 12,500 square feet and 70 feet of lot frontage. This is a conforming R4 lot. So, this is a 2025 aerial of the property. The property is improved with a single family home and detached garage. The resident was built in 1947, according to Lockport Township Accessor Records. Historical Will County zoning maps show that prior to 1978, It was zoned R1. This is a legal nonconforming structure. The owner plans to build a new 5 foot by 5 foot covered porch by the front door facing Cameron Avenue and a 5 foot by 5 foot stoop with stairs in front of the door facing Green Garden Place. And this is the survey showing the proposed covered porch that is encroaching the setback outlined in red. And then this for physical characteristics, so this is a view looking at the subject property from Cameron Avenue. Uh. This is the view looking at the subject property from Green Garden place. This is view looking South at the adjacent property across Cameron Avenue. If you look in West of the Jason property across Green Garden place. Of you looking East down Cameron Avenue of you looking West down Cameron Avenue. Of you looking North down green guard in place. You looking South down green guard in place. And now to go over section 1 in the various standards and review criteria, a staff finds the play of the owner is due to unique circumstances. A single family home was built in 1947. this was for street setbacks were established. The residence was built encroaching into modern day street setbacks on both green garden place and Cameron Avenue. Of the building of the covered porch into the street setback on Cameron Avenue is concerned expansion of a nonconformity must be brought into compliance. A lot only has a frontage of 90.41 fee on Cameron Avenue, which makes it difficult to meet both street setbacks for the, or for zoning district staff finds that the variance if granted may not alter the essential character of the locality staff finds that, um. There are 2 parcels that got a variance for street yard setback. There are 5 parcels with the covered porch encroaching into the street yard setback. This was this request is within the character of the locality. Then looking at section 2 staff finds a particular state of the subject property does result in particular hardship upon the owner subject property is a corner lot, which means it has 2 street setbacks 1 on Cameron Avenue and 1 on green garden place. A street setback for our 4 districts is 30 feet. The lot frontage is 90.41 feet, which makes it difficult to meet both street setbacks and the 30 foot rear setback. This prevents the owners from building even a small addition. Uh, such as a 5 foot by 5 foot covered porch, a staff professional opinion that alleged difficulty or hardship was not created by the property owner. Um, my notes have duplication of stuff is throw me off. Um. So, according, uh, the residence was constructing approaching the modern day setback, uh, street setbacks in 1947, according to the recorded deed of the current owner, obtain the property on December 27, 2013. And then so staff is recommending approval of the variance. I can answer any questions.

Thank you. We need questions. No questions. Thank you, sir. Are there any objectives or concerns citizens to this case?

There are not okay. Is the owner or, uh. Share plan member here.

Yes, did you care to speak? We have no objectors. And staff has a recommendation of approval. Do you care to speak or do you want us to just vote? Okay, thank you. May I have a motion on case? Zc dash 26 as 016 at all.

But the chairman motion for approval for case number is easy. 26 dash 016. B dash 26 dash 1 on 4 brands for street setback from 30 inches to 23.2 inches at a Cameron Avenue.

I'll 2nd, with the correction to be feet, not inches. Oh, right.

Feet.

To what to be feet not inches. He stated inches. Yeah.

I have a motion in a 2nd member. Kimberly Mitchell.

Yeah.

John, yes, Roger. Yes. Matt Garlin. Yes. Lewis never at.

Yes.

Karen Warwick. Yes. And he was stepping. Yes. Approved.

We go here.

I heard Mr. Van Patten called a stupid scorch. I'm like, what? Stupid.

Our next case tonight is case number ZC-26-020 and M-25-024. It takes place in Homer Glen and Alec Van Patten will be the presenter for this case also.

Uh, so I am presenting, uh, zoning case 26, 0, 2, 0, 2, 0 is located in Homer Township. Uh, the owner's 1st, national bank trust number 7, 2 dash 2, 7, 3, 9, 0, uh, with justice. Oh, I'm gonna butcher this. I apologize. Uh, like bonus with a 100% interest, uh, agent is Logan of badger daylight corporate, uh, corporation. An attorney is cast 1, when Linda of when associates and law firm of applicants requesting a map amendment from C2 slash R2 to C4 to allow to build and operate offices. Uh, in facility for non destructive excavation company. Uh, so here's the law outlined, uh. Outlined by red line of the property is currently unimproved. Uh, this is the plan survey of the property. The subject properties currently split zone between C2 and R2 zoning districts of the C2 areas approximately the front 1,501 square feet. The rest of the property is zoned are 2 of the whole parcels 38 acres in area with 657 feet of law frontage along 159 street C4 lots. Uh, are required to have 2020,000 square feet of lot area and 80 feet of a lot frontage of the map amendment is proved. Then it will be a conforming C4 lot. Uh, so looking at this is the site plan that was submitted with the application. Uh, so the applicant is badger Inc, a hydro excavation company is looking to buy this parcel and use it for an office and storage for trucks. The proposal will consist of parking of approximately 35 to 40 trucks. Most of it will be parked under a roof. The proposed uses classifies construction sales and services and is permitted in the C4 zoning district. Um, construction services is defined in our ordinance as construction development service services and related storage, unless otherwise expressly stated, uh, this subcategory refers to activities on parcels other than active construction or development sites. Typical uses include billing, uh, building contracting slash construction, uh, construction businesses, including trying contractor storage, uh, yards, unless the. Unless that involve office or administrative functions only, uh, with no onsite equipment or vehicle storage are classified as offices. Uh, the company currently operates multiple locations throughout the United States and Canada. Uh, there's 1 current location in will county, uh, in Shannon. They are applying for map amendment from C2 to R2 zoning district to the C4 zoning district to move the Shanahan location to the site through the hydro excavation. A mixture of soil and water is created. Uh, that can be contaminated, uh, talking to applicant, uh, any contaminated materials would be identified in advance and manage under a manifest, uh, generate for, uh, an approved disposal, uh, facility. The applicant, uh, has indicated of the useful generate between 80 and 120 vehicle trips daily from office employees coming to work and service vehicles being dispatched off site. The property will be open Monday through Saturday from 6 0 am to 4 0 PM. Uh, the applicant has indicated, uh, attend to use of the property, uh, will be open to the general public and express less than 1 customer per day coming to the site. Uh. Now, uh, looking at the physical characteristics, uh, this is the view looking at the subject property from 159 street. Is the view looking, uh, South from the subject property across 159 street. As view looking East at the Jason property. As view looking Southwest from the subject property across arm 59 street. As view looking Southeast from the subject property across 159 street. Uh, this is view facing South, uh, looking West along 159 street. And this view looking, uh, East along 159 street. Uh, so this, uh, blue circle, uh, indicates around a half a mile radius when in a half mile radius of the subject property uses uses include residential, commercial, industrial, vacant, recreational, uh, and agriculture within the city of lock port village of Homer, Glenn and unincorporated will county a staff on the predominant use in this area is residential of the commercial uses. Uh, within unincorporated will county are, uh, are Amish furniture a lock port. I just green. Uh, I, I just garden paradise, a Midwest dental sleep center, BP, BP, gas station, cube, smart, self storage, elite, uh, landscaping and Beery, uh, landscaping. The recreational use within unincorporated will county is locked port moose lodge. Uh, picnic grove, the industrial use within, uh, incorporated will county is Midwest super storage, uh, and Keith Lord Keith Lord brothers construction, uh, within the city of walkport. The nearest, uh, use a single family residential within Homer Glenn. Uh, the nearest use, uh, is vitamin creek forest preserve. Uh, which is maintained by the world county forest preserve district, a staff professional opinion that the proposed use will be compatible with existing uses in the facility, which includes retail sales, self storage and construction services. Within a half mile radius of the subject property uses include residential, commercial, industrial, vacant.

Um, is that a repeat?

You said something very similar.

Yeah, I think that's I don't know why I have, like, repeats of certain paragraphs popping up in my notes that would have been confusing me. So, yeah, within on in court districts found within a half mile radius or a 1 or 4 or 5 C1 C2 C3 C4 I1 and I2 within the city of lock for the zoning district found a single family residential. Um. So, and then within, um. Sorry, I think my notes are a little messed up.

Yeah, I asked miss any a question. Will you. Work on that that pertains to this map. Since this map is going to go away, can you tell me what the pink, the yellow and the light blue zonings are? There's nothing I can find in my packet that identifies what the colors are.

Yeah. So the light pink that actually has a little bit of hatch mark to the north is going to be the village of Homer Glen. The light blue, which is adjacent to the west is going to be I1. I guess the darker pink, which is to the east is going to be C6. And then you have the yellow, which is our 2 residential to the South. I believe you also have some commercial. I believe it's C2 C3. So, some of the shades along 159 are related to commercial districts.

And then the subdivision that's directly to the East, it's got yellow and.

I don't know if you'd call that pink is that will county zoning or is that the pink with the subdivision to the East would be properties that have been annexed into Homer Glen.

Okay, so it's a mixed correct zoning in that subdivision. Okay.

Yeah, I got my, let's clarify the answer some copy and paste errors. Yeah. So then in the village of Homer, Glenn zoning districts include single family and then agriculture residential. Uh, so then the property is currently unimproved and split zoned between C2, a local commercial in the front of the parcel and R2 residential single family in the back for split zone lots. They can be treated as separate zoning lots. The applicant proposes to use the property for construction business, which is not permitted within either C2 or R2 zoning districts if the map amendment is denied. Uh, only permitted uses in the C2 zoning districts would be allowed in the C2 portion and only are 2 zoning districts would be permitted on the R2 portion of the property before the county's comprehensive rezoning in 1978. the parcel was owned a 1 between 1978 and 1993. the front parcel was reason to R2. But no records extend exactly when this occurred on 1993, the back portion of the property was rezoned to R2 to build the subdivision subdivision based on aerials building permits records. A subdivision was never built on March 19, 1994. Uh, the front 290 feet was rezone from our 2 to see to look at historical zoning maps from 1993 to 1994, a development along a 159th between Cedar and God road has been towards light industrial and commercial developments when examining the 159th street. A quarter 1 mile East and West of the subject partial a single family residential remains prevalent in the West. However, however, observed use going East from the property down 159 turns commercial with most prevalent prevalent. Type of use observing construction services and landscaping a staff professional opinion that this development falls development trend in the surrounding area. Uh, the request is in, uh, in conformance to the official adopted. Well, county lane source, uh, land resource management plan. Uh, the subject property is identified within the suburban communities development form where free, uh, freestanding industry is a permitted. Uh, used within the suburban communities development form and then Lisa store score was not calculated for the subject property. And then to agency comments, so, after staff, a report was published published staff received comments from several agencies versus township of Homer, which raised concerns about industrial scale activity activities, water usage and truck traffic. There's also the city of lockport, which sent a letter stating concerns over not conforming to a homework, a village of homework lens, comprehensive plan. and see for a district not being compatible with the surrounding uses. We also received a letter from concerns citizens thing concerns over water usage, noise and truck traffic. We also have been notice of legal objection by the village of Homer dilemma are currently going through the verification process on that. So, staff is recommending approval of the map amendment from C2 to R2 or C2 slash R2 to C4. And I can answer any questions.

Questions anyone well.

I guess I'll ask this now where you're up there, so I'm looking at the zoning classifications from C2 to C4. The only real difference I can see is you go from 12,000 square foot minimum to 20,000. 20,000 for the C4, so the bigger lot, and then as far as setbacks and all that is about the same, except maximum building coverage percentage goes from 40% to 50%. Am I missing something here about the major?

So, for a lot standards, that is the major differences. There also are differences in allowed uses. Um.

Right, but it's not like 1 will allow more intensive usage where a C2 might say you can have a veterinary clinic. A C4 might say you can have animal slaughtering and something much more. I'm not seeing that here. Yeah, I don't know if I'm pretty sure. I don't think animal slaughtering is what you're able for C4. I didn't go to that other chart yet. Okay. So.

But that main difference is the size and they can build and there are some differences in the uses like, uh, construction services is not allowed to use, uh, in C2. I think at C2 also automotive like repair is not allowed where C4 is. So there are some uses that could be considered more intensive that are allowed in C4 and not C2. Yep.

I just got to that chart and it's quite more extensive. Okay, thank you.

I have a question the, um, it states that there's gonna be 35 to 40 trucks, most of which are parked under a roof. According to what their diagrams are, there's no only looks like building there is is a office building looks the rest of it is like, parking lot.

So, with that probably would be better for the applicant, but from, like, uh, what I've seen is in, uh, because they, uh. We had a Pre application meeting and they discussed and showed some conceptual site plans, but there's the office, uh, area. That's like a small portion of the 25,000 square foot building and the rest is kind of like a facility for, which is largely, uh, has the parking of trucks, but they have a presentation. I think we'll go more in detail and they can answer that a little more.

Thank you.

I think you've answered all the questions we have for you, sir. Thank you. Are there concerns citizens or objectives to this case? Yes, there are. Okay. Um. May I hear from the primary, uh. The agent and attorney, but or both or 1 or the other.

Good evening.

Good evening. Good evening. I'm the general manager for the Effermann Glastonbury. Give your name again, sir. Thank you. 1, little correction here.

Yeah, hang on a 2nd, please catch the gentleman back there since they can't hear.

I wish I was. Oh, it turns right when you get it out. I'm sorry. Sorry, um, is that the front 290 feet and that was number was correct of the by 657 feet wide is currently C2. so about 4.4 acres of that parcel. The frontage of that parcel and, um. Also of note is that within a agricultural district, actually a construction sales services are a special use, although not a permitted use in any event Badger is North America's largest. Contractor as far as non destructive excavation or hydro excavation and these are actually highly specialized machines and they operate these trucks and the operators are highly trained and. They are able to operate and excavate around very sensitive facilities, high fiber optic cables, other sensitive facilities, pipelines, et cetera. These are. Again, trained operators. They're going to be this is about 50 plus jobs coming to this facility. 40 of those jobs right away are local 150 operators. These guys are 65 dollars an hour on the check and another 60 dollars and benefits about 150,000 dollars a year. This is a local 150 union company. In any event, this property is sandwiched between industrial to the West. And then you heard C6 to the East, and then there's a trucking company further to the East there on 159th street route 7. About 19,300 cars a day per Alex report. The company intends to operate with. In the client's with all the ordinance, in fact, Alex, could you bring up in the presentation view of the facility and then we'll take a look at the site plan.

The revised site plan with the traffic routing.

There's the elevation, so if you can go back to the elevation for just for a 2nd.

Elevation. We were just there.

There was a color elevation structure.

There we go. There we go.

So, as explained by Alec, you can see the office uses in the front and then you can see the indoor storage in the back. These are vehicles, specialized vehicles costing almost a 1Million dollars a piece. They're stored inside. They're stored inside for the night. And in just a minute, I'll begin a direct examination of. Kevin North regard to the application and. If I may begin that now, I'd like to. Please do Kevin, you're the representative primarily responsible for this proposed development by Badger. Is that correct?

That is correct.

And Badger is currently under contract to purchase the subject property contingent upon request zoning approval.

That is correct.

And this requested rezoning is necessary for this proposed office and dispatch operation. Correct?

Yes, it is. Okay.

Has Badger voluntarily provided all detailed operational information site plans to the county?

Yes, we have.

Okay. Have you worked with engineers and consultants regarding the development of the property?

Of course yes.

Now Badger primarily provides hydro excavation services at offsite customer locations, right? Yes. Okay. Can you explain to me those operations and what they do? What the trucks do, how your operation operates from beginning to end on a daily basis at a Badger facility like this one.

So our operators will receive a dispatch the evening before, based on their dispatch time, the required time at our contractors location, uh, they will move. We don't move in large waves. It's based on the time that we have to be on site. Our operators will arrive and we use a combination of water and vacuum in order to, uh. Uh, suck up the material and uncover or daylight, uh, utilities, whether that be fiber optics, a pipeline utilities, gas, uh. We work for municipalities, we work for, uh, general contractors, we work for pipeline construction, uh, just about anyone nowadays that wants to safely excavate and access underground utilities.

The actual excavation work that's not on this property proposed on this property. That's all done off site. Correct?

Correct. That's done on the on the contractors location or the construction site itself.

And badger manufacturers its own trucks, but not here. Right?

Correct. We manufacture our own trucks in regular Canada.

Okay. So there's no manufacturing proposed to go out of this facility.

None whatsoever. Okay.

And there's no industrial processing or material production on this site.

No, none.

Any retail operations open to the public?

No, we typically have, uh, 1 or 2 customer meetings per quarter people. We don't have customer meetings on our property. Okay, about every how often would a customer come to your property? Every 91 to 2, every 90 days.

Okay, so the primary function would just be administrative offices and dispatch operations, correct?

Dispatch sales, um. Administration operation support, and then the operator, the local 150 operators themselves that operator trucks.

And so the trucks generally leave in the morning for off site jobs and return at the end of the day. Is that right? That is correct. Okay, and so they don't leave all in 1 wave. It says they're dispatched.

Yes.

And upon returning those vehicles again are stored in doors and this 25,000 plus square feet facility is built for that. Right?

Yes.

And you can see those large overhead doors and those are on both sides, right?

That is correct. All of our trucks back in. At the end of each day, because from an emergency standpoint, the 1st direction we want to move is forward. So all of those trucks are backed in each of those bays and they're stacked.

And the indoor storage is incorporated not just to protect that equipment, but to reduce visual and operational impacts on the surrounding properties. Is that right? It is. And Badger, in fact, chose this location because of its location directly on U.S. Route 759th Street in proximity to Route 355.

Is that right? That is correct. Yes.

Could you turn to the most recent site plan?

I don't know if there's any way to blow that up.

So that's not the most recent.

This is the one that was just transferred to you. There we go. Back one. Back one. Back one.

Right there it is and so up on the screen is your most recent site plan. Is that correct? Mr. That is correct. Okay. And so, um. Can you tell me with this revised site plans, how your trucks would access this facility and how they would exit it as shown it.

Our primary goal is to exit always to the right. You'll see that we have one exit, which is located to the east of the property, and then we have a three-quarter turn, which allows for traffic in and out, making a left-hand turn. So we have access in both directions.

So trucks coming from 355 and headed east will be able to turn left into the property, At the already existing left turn lane that is seen that was constructed by correct? Correct. And you were able to find and make this revision after concerns from the township. And the village, as far as truck access and on joining roots, Cedar road, or doing any returns. Correct?

Absolutely.

Okay. So, once these trucks leave in the morning. Traffic substantially slows down throughout the daytime.

Our traffic does. Yes.

Any other traffic in and out of the facility period.

No, the only traffic would be employees and that usually occurs prior to our, our trucks will remain on site. Our contractors pay for time on site. So if we need water. They're going to locate the nearest water source to the job site itself. The same thing with disposition of clean soil. They're going to locate the nearest clean facility through that contractor site.

Um, if there's any contaminated soil, is there is that ever brought back to.

This facility, or your existing facility and it is not all contaminated material is identified in advance requires a manifest and that manifest will dictate list us as the transporter. And it'll dictate the disposal facility that that is designated to go to.

And have you incorporated landscaping screening, uh, setbacks any Birmingham. To buffer this from existing residential uses.

Of course, we've created a, uh, noise and light, uh, mitigation plan. We have landscaping, uh, that that you will see is is significant. Uh, we've got a water structure in the front, uh, and then, uh. Uh, landscaping all the way around, uh, gating to the front where, uh, any operations will not be visible from the road. Uh, we've got plans for a firm, a 6 foot firm created along the West side. Uh, and then foliage on top of that. So, uh, no light noise or, uh, there won't be any visibility to the neighbors to our West.

And the property would not function like you say it as any sort of excavation or processing site for material.

No, none whatsoever.

And, but trucks would be filled, um, time to time with water on site. Is that correct?

That is correct.

Okay. And. Those filling operations are, does it all happen at once? Is it done in a controlled manner? Are they filled all the way up and sorry for the compound question, but if you can explain how that works.

No, so, depending on the type of job that that designated operator is going to, we have the capacity to fill up, but the operators only going to use or fill up with as much water as they anticipate for the description of that job. Very rarely will you ever have a truck that's going to roll out with all bubbles or that that containment vessel full.

And has Badger, you evaluated utility availability and feasibility for this operation?

Yes, we have and we have modified based on feedback feedback from the community. And in it, and we'll draw water. Either from off site or access to municipal water at some point in time.

Yeah. In fact, you have an initial application. Yes. Illinois American right now. That is correct. And there's no request for any variance from complying with any sort of environmental environmental or utility requirements. No, no. No request for any variance from any stormwater or requirements. Correct? Correct. And that stormwater detention and drainage would be designed in complete accordance with the will county stormwater detention ordinance.

Yes.

And is badger willing to comply with additional reasonable utility and stormwater requirements if those are required by the county?

Yes, we are.

As far as maintenance activity on the trucks.

Okay, is that ever done outside or is that only done inside?

Our maintenance activity is very limited. We subcontract a lot of our maintenance right now off site. Any maintenance that we would do would be under roof behind closed doors.

And the outdoor parking area that you see, there is simply a function of building a 25,000 square foot building and what's required by the county. Is that correct? That is correct. Is badger willing to comply with any reasonable conditions imposed by the county as far as controlling traffic in and out staging, et cetera.

Yes, as well as operational conditions. Yes.

And what is badger done to proactively address concerns raised regarding other than the, the, uh, craft that you've discussed. And other than the water issue, uh. As far as the potable water issues that you've discussed, um. What is badger done as far as offers of adjusted or increased at screening, particularly on the northeast corner of the property.

So, um, increased screening, um, will be provided by, um. By the fencing, as well as, uh, a water area, uh, that's visually appealing. Um, and then, uh, the building set back.

Okay, as well as you have a burn for that Northeast corner along that property. Yes.

Yes.

As mentioned earlier. Okay. And what's badges approximate proposed investment in this facility.

We have approval from our board of directors to spend up to 690 dollars.

Do you believe that this use can operate compatibly with the surrounding adjoining uses?

Yes Badger has every intention of being the best of neighbors. We wouldn't have proposed or pursued this opportunity there. So, yes, you're definitely compatible.

Tell me about what you what the lighting around the building because I understand and looking from, uh, concerns from local municipalities as well as the township as well as residents of concerns of having a big lit up parking lot in the evening. Now, number 1, are there evening operations at this location?

No, and. Let me make a correction from what was stated earlier. Our operations are Monday through Friday, uh, from 6 a.m. to 4. P. M. We do not operate on Saturdays. We may have 1 or 2 trucks that will roll out to support, but, uh, our operations are primarily limited to Monday through Friday. The customers that we work for don't want to pay overtime. So we minimize that, um, they're the perimeter lighting around the facility and. Is all going to be motion sensor all of our trucks are parked under roof with the exception of some smaller, uh, support vehicles, and so forth. Those are all secured. So. The lighting will only be on if there is motion.

And that lighting is throughout the parking lot or just around the building.

It's going to be limited to the building.

Okay. And again, only motion sense. Correct. So, it's not going to be lit up on it.

No.

Thank you. Um, if there are any questions of Mr North.

Certainly, you go yes, I thought it was somewhere in the packet on occasion. Yes, ma'am.

So, let me clarify, we take nothing back to this facility or the facility that we're located at today. Any contamination goes directly to the manifested landfill. We will potentially encounter where we end up on a job site longer than anticipated if we have clean debris and that's just clean dirt. We will bring that back. And that, and we can, uh, our proposal is to. Put on the ground and be able to reclaim that back as we use that in our daily process as we work for engineering companies to provide backfill services for them after we've hydrovac an area, but that's only clean material only clean material. There is no manifest. There is no contaminated loads. Um, that's it would be. Converse to rules and regulations. So, we have several facilities that we can utilize for those contaminated loads and our operators will structure the end of their day, knowing that they're rolling out with the manifest. And so they have to be at those gates by certain times. Thank you welcome.

How long have you been located in northern Illinois driving Shannon?

Okay. 15 years long time and if if you flip through, you can see the facility that we're in today. Um. It's a business park right there. Excuse me thanks out. That's the facility that we're in today. You can see, we don't have trucks outside. We do have several pickup trucks that are exposed. If you'll flip through the next slide or 2. You can see we back trucks in and that's how they're parked. So that 1st movement is out. There's all of those garages are heated. There's no need for us to idle trucks. Extended period of times typically, like, you may have with a 18 wheeler over the road type truck, because everything is warm. Our operators are able to come in, do the necessary Pre trip, start their engines and leave.

And then you mentioned a water structure in front is that have to do with storm water management or yes, but it will be decorative. And then, um, you mentioned filling up with water. What's the maximum capacity for the water on them trucks?

So, we're, we're running, uh. 3500 gallons to.

Is that good enough that answer from there? Everybody heard it.

Thank you.

I'm just, yeah, we, we prefer to have people speak from the podium where the microphone understood.

And Mr was, and I'm assuming everybody heard that.

But that.

Please give your name for the record, sir.

Logan a lot resident of new Lenox, Illinois, our trucks hold at full capacity, 1680 gallon of water. Very rarely. Do we ever leave with a full tank of water? Uh, typically we're leaving around 70% water, uh, depending on the job. And then we also do a lot of dry digging as well. It's becoming more popular that way. The customer can reuse the soil right there on site in the dry digging case. We'll probably leave with around 200 gallon of water just to clean up any area on the job site.

Okay, thank you. Then it was mentioned that negotiations underway to hook up to the municipal water supply. Would that include sewer and water or just.

Water sewer is not available at this point in time. Sewer is not available. So, upon its availability. Yes, we will hook up, uh, for, uh, the. Typical restroom waste, we will be creating a septic tank.

And as far as your initial water use, yes, they have made an application initial application with the only American for the water is the only water that's available other than the well.

But you have no way to accept, uh, or access a sewer system, municipal sewer system. You'd have to put in a private system, correct?

Correct.

It was a big chunk of your 6Million. I don't work for the health department, but I can only imagine what they're going to say. So, are you referring then that you don't need that many parking spaces that are in the conceptual plan? They're required or the county.

We do we do not. They do it. Yeah.

Yeah.

There's no work around on that. I assume.

Can I ask why you guys are leaving Shannon on and move into Homer? Glenn?

We have been leasing that facility. Badger is committed to the greater Chicago area. It's a number two marketplace for Badger. And so we're making the investment to stay here permanently.

So you couldn't permanently stay in the location you're at? They're not willing to sell?

We're co-located with other businesses and we want that ability to have more property. As well, I'm referring to.

As well, Mr. North, this is also located on. The East side of the what is the daily traffic jam on route 80 for your easier access to your market within the Chicago metropolitan area. Is that correct?

That is correct. The facility in Homer Glenn will allow us to minimize our mobilization time. We build our contractors from point to point. So we're able to save approximately 35 minutes 1 way in order to get to many of our destinations.

So, that would depend on your location you're going to, because Shannon's not that far from. I'm just it's I just wonder the difference and I know the timing, but. Are there other, like, you're close to 80 and 355 and.

So, we have a facility in Melrose park and so we, we will share the service area. The area with 80 has been a nightmare from a traffic standpoint as it has been for probably everybody in this room. So, we're trying to avoid that get closer to our customers. Badger has a business model of creating multiple branches. We don't create a hub similar to a transportation company where you will stage trailers and so forth. So, our business model is smaller and we will create branches throughout an area.

So, this branch would be, you'd be taken 159th route 7 to which main highway. It would have been 57, 355.

Directly to and from 355, and as Mr North testified to, uh, they modified their entrance plans to take advantage of the existing left turn lanes that I got built upon the reconstruction of route 759. so they come directly from 355 directly left to the property leave directly right out back to 355 on that route 7. that was just rebuilt by that. And it's handling just shy of 20,000 vehicles a day.

Thank you. Are there any other questions?

I just had 1 staff mentioned in their report. They've already. Talked about this, but temporarily storing contaminated material on site. He said, is that just a miscommunication problem or that is miscommunication?

We, we do not store any contaminated material on site.

And when you do run into contaminated material, what type of material are we talking about? As far as contamination.

Go ahead. So, Badger, we do not run placards on our truck, so we're not licensed to haul any sort of hazardous materials at all. When we mentioned contaminated materials, a lot of times we'll dig around telephone poles. They have creosote around them, which is non hazardous, but it does have a sheen to it. So it can't be disposed of. So that material is manifested. But again, there's telephone poles up and down every street in every city. And that creosote, of course, does run down. the post and when we back that up, it leaves a little bit of a sheen in the water and that has to go to a manifested facility where they're able to process it and separate any sort of petroleum out of it.

That's one example. Do you have any others?

That's the majority. Again, we're digging in the right-of-way most of the time, locating utilities, so that's the typical hazard we run into from a material standpoint is similar if we're digging right along the side of the roadway. Sometimes you'll get excess oil from asphalt or chipping and paving operations that, again, adds a slight sheen to the water. It's non-hazardous. We're walking on pavement every day, but it has to be taken to a facility and be processed. Okay. Thank you.

Any other questions here would you gentlemen please take a seat there then? So we can hear from the concerned citizens. Mr. 1 and you so got something, huh?

I do this prior to do something if I could submit for the record records of support the. Proposal from Mr Bayes, who owns the 1st residential parcel lives there just to the East. I have that letter multiple copies and I have a letter of no objection from. For the owner, just immediately to the West. At the, I want industrial zone properly the borders and as well as there was talk about the interest of the forest to serve and some doubts in that. Um. Here is the letter from Corey Crawford of the forest to serve. It says. So, as the title of the property, they're happy to start negotiations because they want to have property next. She's my in the end, uh, I will save my comments for, uh, rebuttal after the yes.

Thank you, sir.

Cornyn is on a China shop here. We can take 1 and pass it on.

Okay. Thank you.

Goodbye. Take 1 and pass it.

May we hear from some of the concerned citizens right now then please. If you'll come up. Line up, you can, or as each speaker finishes, you may. Stand please give your name for the record before you start.

Okay. I'm Sue styling. I'm also the supervisor for Homer township and we did send a letter or a resolution of opposition yesterday, but I do have some additional comments to make. And I do want to think, um, the badger, um, people, they have been professional and they, we have been in full transparency, try to communicate our concerns. And I do think that they are. Trying to address them, but, um, this development, um, does not follow the development of the area as the staff member was trying to say, because in, um, in, in. The staff report, it says that the zoning was a 1 up until 1978 and sometime between 1978 and 1993, it was owned residential. And I have maps in my office. I have a color coded, comprehensive land use map revised on November 1st, 1979 that shows the entire parcel as residential. And I want you to take into consideration the entire parcel because it's less than 25% of that is zoned C2. The rest of it is R2. So, that's that is to go from our 2 to C4 is a big change. I also have a draft zoning map that was created in 1975 and revised in 1988 again, showing that it was the whole entire entire parcel was residential. And then in 1990, the land use map was adopted by the Will County Board and it shows the complete parcel as suburban residential. And then there's some other drafts in between. And then in 1992, there was an unofficial zoning map that showed the proposal of changing that small portion of 290 feet deep to a C2. And I'd also like you to bear in mind you saw Photos of the street view the front view of that long parcel. You didn't see the back view that would what would be adjacent to residents of a neighboring subdivision. Um, zoning is meant to. Keep it's meant for people to plan. It's when you're purchasing property, you look at zoning and the 1st house was built in that in that subdivision in 1985. so that everything points to the residents in that subdivision, thinking that they were going to be surrounded by residential parcels in that area. And even when you look at the zoning along 159 street. It there is only the 1, I 1 that they're talking about, or the storage unit that became I 1 in in 2022 against the wishes of Homer township. And Homer Glenn for the very purpose of that would be used against the planning of the village in the township. So now here it is, it's being used against us to change zoning to see for and the other property that is the construction property. Um, that is zoned I 1, which is the Cutler property. That is just and I'm going to say it right now, because it needs to be addressed. It is an embarrassment for our community. It is not. I don't know if there's any construction business. Well, I don't know if there's any construction.

Excuse me, but I'm knowing. No comments negative or positive please just listen. So the rest of us can hear. Thank you.

I don't know if there is any actual construction business taking place on their property. What is happening on that property is just storage of trucks and junk. And if you drive by it, you'll see it and we get calls about it regularly. So it is something that the county does need to be addressed. And then so I'm saying that here. But that is like, the main concern is all right. So you zone something. C4, what is to protect it from the future in the future? That is a large parcel that now Badger has been in Shanahan for 15 years. 15 years from now, they could decide to move. From Homer Township, and then that parcel, that entire parcel is going to be zoned. See, for what is to protect the residents then in 15 years from now and that's the purpose of zoning is to protect. And inform buyers to make wise decisions, and that is our main concern also to address the, um. The current service in our opposition is the truck routing. I didn't see the route plan that they were going to use, but there is concerned because as far as we know, there is no curb cut on 159 street to allow a left turn. So he, so the owner, Mr North said that. They would be making right turns only you can't do a U turn in the intersection because the trucks are 30 feet long and so they have to be under 22 feet to do a U turn. So what is the routing going to be? We want to know the effects of the traffic on the area because it is going to be over 30 trucks a day. I think that's what they said that they have right now is 30 trucks. So I believe that their business would like to expand. What is it going to expand to? And what is going to be the effect of the traffic then? And the other thing with the, the C2, the C4 zoning is. 159th street is the planned commercial corridor for the village of Homer Glenn. And well, Homer township, those areas will, I believe will eventually be Homer Glenn someday. So that business is not going to be generating sales tax revenue. It's just going to be generating property tax. And those homes that are in that subdivision, they generate over $800,000 a year in property tax for the 65 homes that are in there. Their average person pays $12,000 a year. I looked at the C2 and the I parcels that are along 159th. None of them pay $12,000 in property tax. So maybe with the building being expensive, the property tax is going to be higher. But what is the real benefit to the community of having that business? I'm glad that they're in well county. I think that there are, they appear to be a nice company, but is this really the parcel that is for. That location is that really for that business and and I have to say, I don't think it is. And, um, in addition, I think you'll hear from some residents. But those are our major concerns. Thank you.

Thank you very much.

Good evening.

Good evening. My name is Todd over my, and I'm the administrator at the lack port moose lodge. 1, 557. we only we own the property immediately East of the parcel in question known as the lack port moose lodge picnic growth. Moose lodge utilizes the picnic grow for numerous moose functions throughout the year and the property is also rented extensively during the spring. Summer and early fall seasons for weddings. Birthday celebrations, graduation parties, family reunions, company picnics and many other community events. We are deeply concerned that the proposed change in land usage and any associated development could severely impact our ability to continue hosting and renting our picnic growth. Increased noise dust traffic, potential pollution would negatively affect the atmosphere and enjoyment of our guests expect when reserving the property for these important events. The revenue generated from these rentals is vital to the ongoing operation of our lodge. These funds help us maintain our facilities, meet our financial obligations, and continue fulfilling our mission of supporting the children at Moose Heart, the seniors at Moose Haven, and the communities we proudly serve. In light of these concerns, we respectfully request clarification on the following manners. I wrote this this morning. Badger has done a great job, uh, answering a lot of the questions. I'm just going to read this as is kind of, um. So, as thinking points, does the will county comprehensive plan state. What does the will county comprehensive plan state regarding changes? The current land use is designated from C2 R2 to C4. Does this proposed change align with the comprehensive plans and long term development goals currently established by will county village of a Homer Glen in Homer township. What materials substances or chemicals would be stored processed or dumped on site. What safeguards and containment measures would be implemented to ensure that no materials leave the property or contaminate nearby groundwater and private wells in the surrounding area. We appreciate your consideration of these concerns and respectively request that the impact on neighboring properties, local residents. And community organizations be carefully evaluated before any decisions are made. Also badger gave a great presentation. They talked about, uh. Barriers on the West side of the property, uh, we would like to see it on the East side of the property, uh, that matches up to our property just adjacent to the East. Um, similar to what they would be proposing to the West. Property Thank you. Yes.

Question about your events.

Yes.

Are the majority weekend or they also Monday through Friday?

You can rent the picnic Grove at any time. A majority of them are Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

Maybe a Friday night wedding or something like that. Yes. Okay.

Yes. But again, we reserve the right to use it ourselves for our events at any time. A lot of times we work around the rental calendar.

It's nice to know that they're closed weekends and close Friday close. On Friday by 4 o'clock though.

Yeah, how would you feel if that would housing development right there next to you instead of this warehouse that's going in there?

Um, we would like to see it remain residential. We would not like to see a proposed change in that development.

So, housing housing development wouldn't would be okay with you.

Yeah, we have to the back of our picnic. Grove is a residential from the subdivision back there and they've been great neighbors and I hope we've been great neighbors of them too.

So, thank you.

Thank you.

We'll have to ask there's commercial zoning there now, but I don't think it's the whole with the block. It's not, but I don't know if it's to the West of the East. It's the front, but it's to go all what does it go to the full with her to ask.

Hi, good evening. Please give your name for the record.

Yep. My name is Christopher Gruber. I'm planning and zoning director for the village of Homer Glen. I've been the director about a year and a half now. Um, haven't had the pleasure to meet with all you before. Um, but, um, so, uh, forgive me if, um. You know, I, I stray off off course a little bit, but, um, uh, as, uh. As Mr van padden noted, the village does have several concerns about. This development, um, most notably the, uh, the usage of, um, of water from the, uh, from the well, from the aquifer. Um, also, uh, uh, dust noise, traffic, uh, lighting, Homer, Glenn is a dark sky community, uh, takes that very seriously. And, um, on last Friday, the board passed a resolution, uh, formally objecting this proposal. It's in the mail right now. So it's, uh, being delivered via certified mail. So, I, um, did want to state that, um. I did have, I guess, and chair, please correct me. Um, but I did have some questions. I don't know if they can be answered in real time or if this is simply just a, a listening session.

Some questions can be answered in real time if you direct them through the board. I know that's a little more awkward, but, uh, we're not a courtroom. Sure, and I don't have the position of a judge where I can say, okay, I've heard enough.

Right?

Yeah.

No, no. Yeah. And I respect that. And I understand that. Um, I, I suppose that, uh, 1 of the questions that I had was that, um, I think Mr Van Patten, there's some discussion about, uh, the C4 zoning and the C2 zoning. Typically, when you go up higher in numbers, that becomes more intense. C4 is more intense than C1. That's typically how it goes in planning. Uh, I, I'm curious if it sounded like the C4 was slightly more intense than C2. Was my was what I took away from that. So I don't know if, uh, chair, if we're able to to get that confirmation from Mr van patent at this time, or or not if not, I can just keep going. Mr.

I'm sorry, I'm fine actually. Yeah, so it is. Is this working? Okay. It didn't sound that loud. Uh, yeah, so it is typically, like, a bit more intensive. Like, I know construction services as to why they need the map amendment. Uh, that is 1 use. That's not allowed in C2 that's in C4 that can be considered more intensive. And I also believe, like, auto repair shop is like, other 1 that's, like, more intensive. Uh, they have a lot of similarities, but yeah, there is a bit of an increase in intensive use from C2 to C4.

Thank you. That was my assumption. So, um, the village of Homer, Glenn is concerned, obviously about this increase in intensity. Um, not just with the proposed use, but with the proposed zoning as well. And that is noted in the, um, in the resolution that will be coming to, uh, to the county. Um, also following up what, um, you know, supervisor silent was saying, uh, regarding the left turn lane on 159th street. I think, um, and and chair, are we able to take a look at the aerial quickly? And I'll, I'll be brief. I want to be respectful. Everybody's time.

No, that that area will be very telling. I think the left turn lane is so tight up against the property line. There isn't room for screening. So that area would be. At least what I see on my phone.

Right, so when I was looking at on my phone, it looks like that there's a, uh, on the far East side of the, where this property is, um, just South of there. It looks like there is a U turn. Um, but it doesn't, it's not a left turn. I think it says in the pavement.

You turn only well, there's no left turn because there's no curb cut yet and there's no. Entrance there once they put an entrance, it would allow, but yes. An aerial shows that it's very tight to make it just before the property line. So, in my opinion, what I'm seeing on my phone, if they do screening, they probably won't be able to do it the 1st, 50 feet or 100 feet of the road. That would have to be the entrance, but we'll get back with the applicant on that too.

Right? So, I guess following up on that is that, um, the village will pull that up.

Like, I can on my phone.

Yeah, no, I think that I understand you. I'm not sure if everybody else follows. Maybe they do. Um, but, uh, I guess we would like to check with to make sure that, you know, that kind of, uh, traffic movement would be permitted. Um, at that location, uh, we haven't received, we have not received an application. Obviously it's before the county. So we've not done an in depth zoning analysis, but, um, that's, uh, 1 thing that we were trying to get clarification on. And the other thing was that, um. I, I was under the impression that there, or I thought that there was sanitary sewer available on 159 street. I thought it was on the South side of 159 street. So they might have to bore underneath the road. But I thought that it was available. Um, I'm not sure about water, but I thought they were both available to hook up to, um, at this time. So, um. I'm not sure if, you know, if whoever would be able to answer that question, but I'm just gonna wrap it up there and I'm available for any questions. If anybody has anything to ask.

I think I think the person who's coming right after you can answer that question. So we'll see.

Okay.

Would just ask if we were to attach 2 conditions, I don't know what the applicant would think about this. That 1 would be that there could be no, well, on the property that you would be agreeable to that. That's what you're looking for. Right? You would like no.

Well, well, so I guess if it's. There's there's 3 things that I 3 scenarios that I see here. 1 is it's approved under the county 2 is it's approved under the village and an extra 3 not approved at all. If it's a choice between. Developing it in the county or developing it in the village. I think that the village would prefer the letter in order to put conditions of approval on that. Such as yes, it would have to tie into the water and sewer on the site. There would have to be a part of the villages, lighting regulations, landscaping, firming, uh, hours of operation, everything to protect the residents. So, I'm not sure if that answers your question.

Assuming they don't pursue annexation and continue down the county. Would you like a condition that says no? Well, could be done on the property? Well, um, that's why I'm looking at these now would be the time to add it.

Yeah, so as as the planning director, um, you know, I'm not, I'm not elected so it's a little bit tricky for me to say, however, I think that that would be helpful, um, to not drain the aquifer. But I know that the residents have other concerns as well.

Other than my other, my other thought for condition was that they must hook up to a municipal sewer supply.

Right?

I mean. Punching a well is 1 issue, but if they don't have municipal sewer supply, I'm assuming there's going to be a number of restrooms and other things that happen on this property. The private. Through a system that would be required there just seems like it would be extensive.

I agree, but that's all that I have. Thank you for your time. Any questions. Thank you.

There's 1 thing I just like to clear for a map amendment. We cannot add conditions for special use. That's the case, but this is a map amendment. So, yeah.

Thank you for clarifying. That was 1 of the 1st things I was actually going to say, but if I could approach the benches for a 2nd, just to show you a map. That will show you where the R2 district is located in the C2 district. You'll see the big green parcel is the residential and then the, the C2 is the little purplish area. So you actually have a visual, but yes, I did not. I'm sorry. My name is Christina. I'm actually the mayor of Homer Glen. I came tonight just to make sure because I saw in your packet that it showed that our resolution was not filed at the time that this meeting was prepared. So I just wanted to make sure you had it. There were some questions. Well, 1st, I'd like to preface this with. This is a little awkward situation for me, but I'm friends with Mr. Wendland, who's the attorney for Badger. Badger has been nothing but great to work with. I'm friends with Ketlar. I've actually been a Moose member. But most importantly, the residents have to come first. And these residents have a lot of concerns, which the village understands and will represent them for this. One of the questions that was brought forward was, what's the difference between the C4 and the C2 and the R2, which you can see in the map, the major difference of the location of those. But in our objection, it actually explains What the villages vision of the C2 and the C4 difference is and it's actually 1 at the 2nd. Whereas if you guys have the packet with you, which I'm sure I'm sure if you do, but the C2 is called for a business park area, which in our definition of business park area does not include this type of development. So, with that being said, there was just a couple of other things. I know 1 of the questions were about the well, and the water. This this business would approximately and you can correct me if I'm wrong would use about 30 to 40,000 gallons of water per day, which would absolutely drain their aquifer in there and the subdivision adjacent to this. Property, um, for them to tap on to Illinois, Illinois, American water, which is not ran by the municipal government of Homer Glenn. They own the infrastructure. It's all completely them. Uh, the village of Homer Glenn actually has nothing to do with it, but we do fight for the residents because we have outrageous bills. However, um, they would have to annex and into the village of Homer Glenn to tap onto the water system. Our sewer system is will not be ready until the year 2030. So, our, our water does go to gala road. Um, which is where the Lenny's gas and washes. Um, but unfortunately, our own sewer treatment will not be completed until the year of 2030. so, asking them later on to hold off on a septic field. They would have to wait until 2030 to tap on for us. Now, as, you know, Illinois, American water is in Homer Glen is the most expensive water bills in the country. Um, so paying for 20 to 30 to 40,000 gallons of water per day is going to be pretty pricey for them. So that's just another little side note. Um. Uh, Mr group, he did touch base about that is a hard visual to see where the cut out is and we had discussed this briefly about the cut out their trucks run about 36 feet. The only turnaround point that you can have that I dot allows is a truck for the limit of 22 feet. So, if your truck is larger than 22 feet, you cannot make a U turn in that area, which where because I drive past it every day. And if you had a clear map, you'll see that the cut out. Does it does not line up with their property? They would literally have to make a U turn and then go into their property, which would then cause traffic issues. Um, and then if you're talking about the other end of the property, it would actually come before their property would be cut out. Um, I dot has never come back and allowed another cut out. So if. You can't just break up the medium to have a cut out for them to enter their property and there is no dedicated left hand turn lane as well. So, if they were to turn in, or if they were to have access, then we'd be. They would take up 1 of the lanes. So, just for clarity, because I know there were some questions on any of that. I know this isn't an answer and questioning for us, but if there are questions, I'm happy to answer 1 of the other issues that we have is, you know, Homer Glenn comes before you for anything that has to do with trucker environment. As we all know, we're probably the biggest mounts you guys have ever had to deal with. Um, I will say our issue with the village of Homer Glenn was not only the aquifer for the residents next door, but also the truck routes. There's no dedicated truck routes. Our, um, our roads have a 7 ton limit, which their trucks I think are pushing maybe roughly around 30 tons. There is no access road for them to take whatsoever unless they go all the way straight down 159th, go to Orlin and come all the way back through 355. Um, 151st cedar Parker, those are all 7 ton limits. So there is nowhere to turn around and there's no designated truck route. So if they do take any of those roads, they'd be getting some pretty hefty tickets. Um, they did state that they only operate Monday through Friday, but if you look in their application, it actually says they operate Monday through Saturday. And and their township board meetings they went to, um, they also said that there are times that they would come after 4 o'clock. Sometimes it would be about 6 o'clock, which a truck here and there isn't too big of a deal. But once you start allowing 1234 to come later, it just kind of starts to have a trend. We have another trucking company. Way down the road that tends to do the same you turn issue and we have major traffic issues and major accidents that happen due to that. And we are arguing with them right now. Um. I'm sorry, I'm talking about because I thought I only had 30 seconds or 33 minutes. Um. I guess I guess that's all I really had right now. Oh, and lastly, what supervisor silent had stated. She's a 100% right? This C4 changing this to C4 will change in the future. I mean, it could change the dynamics in the future. People built their homes thinking this whole area, which you see on that map would be residential. Um. If they were to sell in 5, 10, 15, 20 years. They can do anything that they want there because our, our ordinance would allow for anything to be there in the C4 district.

Any questions for me?

Sorry. I'm not as concerned about the C2 to the C4 because it's already there, but I am concerned and nobody has addresses. They're asking for it in the entire 38 acres.

Right.

And so I plan on asking the applicant about best. I can tell their, um. Plot plan now is 68 acres. I would feel much more comfortable if I was a yes vote on this that it was not the whole 38 acres because it's, it's hard to ignore that. C2 is already there.

The C2, not C4. Yes, the C2 and the difference. Oh, sorry.

And, uh, I know we had a speaker earlier talking about some maps from other dates, which are other years, which I can't really probably get into, but, uh. That 38 acres, I mean, you truly haven't addressed that and I, I know. We can't technically profess the tree hugging there, but the, the, the part closer to the boat is definitely a lot less environmentally sensitive is what I see in the back 20 to 30 acres of the property.

Absolutely.

Um, but actually with the forest reserve adjoining it.

Sure. And I actually do love that forest preserve idea. However, that's still not enough buffer for the residents that are currently there. And I do understand that because you're saying that the C2 is different or is already there with the C2 and C4 in the village, which is also with part of that packet that I just gave it explains what the difference is the different business where the villages and if I did.

This chart for the county and the paper form that I have is very hard to understand, but I did think I picked up that an indoor shooting range is not allowed in the C2 and it isn't a C3 and a C4 just throwing it out there. Not not saying that they're asking for anything like this, but it does show you that you got to really look at the whole chart and you could double check that on me. But, I mean, I, an indoor shooting range would be a little more concerning. I think. With the C4, and so if you had this whole 38 acres, C4, that doesn't prevent somebody 10, 20, 30 years down the road, putting that shooting range in the middle or the back right up against the forest reserve. Right. He's in North shooting range. Right. It just shows you that the nuances of.

I'd rather I'd rather have a shooting range than a McDonald's or other fast food with a driving. I'd rather have it.

And then just 1 other point that I was just thinking of, I know that they stated that their trucks don't park outside. And again, they have been nothing but amazing to work with and everyone that is supportive of them are really genuine people. So it's nothing against the business itself. It's just that the. The businesses, when we look at the aerial view, you do see trucks that are stored outside. I don't know if that's just because they're outgrowing where they are currently. Um, but they do have trucks stored outside and the village survives off sales tax. We won't be generating any sales tax off of this. So the whole corridor business district that we created is to help the village of Homer Glenn survive. So that's 1 of the major issues as well. So, all right, thank you. You're very welcome. Thank you.

I am not an attorney. I can't hear you. Would you please turn that up?

I do have some cross examination for this witness that I'm entitled to under laws.

Sure. Yeah, I mean, I'm fine with it.

That's in accordance with judge president's recent ruling. So, um. Lenny's, uh, yes, and watch there about 159th in Galbraith northeast corner, right? Yes. Is that in the village of homework? Yes, it is. Okay. And how are they served as far as their sewer?

They are currently in the under the contract of what we have with lock for it. They treat their sewer. But unfortunately, lock work can no longer handle any more waste. So that's why we have to do our own infrastructure.

And you understand that under C2 such uses as restaurants, any kind of retail sales and service, daycare, banks, those are all permitted uses, right? Yep. Okay. And gas stations and bars and taverns by special use, right?

Correct.

And so retail sales and service, including drug stores, like a 24 hour Walgreens, right?

Yes.

Okay. And do you understand that those types of uses, like a 24 hour Walgreens would have continuous public traffic, right? Yes, all day and dress.

I don't believe we have any 24 access in the village of Homer. Glenn.

I'm just talking about what's allowed within the county in the C2 district.

Oh, you understand it right? Yes.

And far more vehicle trips than a proposal such as this, right?

Vehicles yes.

Yes. Okay. Um, are there about 65 lots? I believe Ms. Stylen said in Cedar Glen. I believe it's 65. Yes. Yeah. And. Do you know what, uh, Chicago, Chicago metropolitan agency for planning or use as far as a guide for the average amount of water used per day. By a person, and then for a single family home.

I do, but I can't think of what it is off the top of my head. 76 76 counts.

Yes. Yes. And. For the average 3 to 4 bedroom home, like there are in Cedar Glen, they average 3 and a half persons is what C map uses, right? Yeah, so that it worked out to little over 17,000 gallons a day just for Cedar Glen.

If that's the math, I don't have it prepared, but yeah. Okay.

And then there's other subdivisions in the immediate area that. And well, correct?

Yes, across the street.

Yeah. And they also use water that same, right? Yes. So that same level of usage would apply to them, right?

Yes.

Sorry, okay. Thank you.

Good evening, sir. Please give your name to start.

Yeah, good evening. My name is Ray helper and I am 1 of those concerned residents in the adjacent residential area there. So, thank you for allowing me to speak tonight. I'm here to oppose this rezoning of the parcel to commercial use or C4 use more specifically. I live in that adjacent neighborhood and I have for over 34 years. I bought the parcel that I'm at today off of my parents and I did that because it's a clean neighborhood. It's a very safe neighborhood and it made it an ideal location to raise a family. I could speak to what that land looked like 30 years ago or so. It was actually a dirt bike track. We used to sneak back there and play around and whatnot. So I know that history. This property sits directly next to the established residential neighborhoods. Families choose to live here because of the quiet residential character of the area not to live beside the industrial style trucking and excavation operation. According to the proposal, this development could bring an additional 120 vehicles, but I've heard. 30 trucks, 40 trucks, not sure how many specifically, but what I will call out is there was also a mention of they could hold up to 16,000 gallons of water. I believe. 1600, 1600 gallons of water Max. Okay. That's helpful to hear that. They could hold up to 1600 gallons of water. So you could have 30 to 40 trucks taken that much daily potentially, even though they're only running at 70%. So it'd be close to 1100 gallons if you were really to use that number, but that's still a substantial amount of water. That they could potentially draw from that aquifer that is already being used by the residential areas across the street as well as my neighborhood.

May I interrupt for 1 second? I have a question for in general for everybody. How do we know there's only 1 aquifer there?

We don't.

Okay.

Additionally, I do want to call out. We mentioned that it's 5 days a week, but there are potentially some trucks running 6 days a week. So I have to err on the side of caution there and say the business could run up to 6 days a week. And those trucks could be coming in and out of that area. Those are not ordinary passenger vehicles. Those are large commercial hydro back and industrial service trucks that create noise, vibration, diesel, exhaust, traffic, congestion and safety concerns. The impact on the nearby residents would be substantial as you saw in the images that were on the screen. There are some beautiful sidewalks that have been put in in the recent last 5 years or so here. 5 to 10 years families walk bike and spend time outdoors in this community that increased truck traffic raises concerns about pedestrian safety road where air quality and the overall peaceful environment that we expect and deserve being in the adjacent neighborhood. Beyond the traffic concerns, I already mentioned that we're deeply worried about the long term effects. This type of industrial activity could have on the water table, but also the surrounding land and property values. Once commercial industrial activity at this level as a C4 is introduced into a residential Jason area, the character of the neighborhood changes permanently. We already have concerns with the garbage and pollution with the truck drop that is nearby. No offense. Mr. Um, however, we can see that being compounded by allowing an additional change and additional potential, uh, other industries, such as the indoor firing range in the future. If they were to decide to leave the area and how it would impact our neighborhood. This is not simply about 1 business. It's about responsible zoning and protecting the people that already live there. Commercial and industrial operations do not belong in areas design belong in areas designed to support them, but not directly behind these homes and subdivisions. I respectfully ask the commission to deny the rezoning request and preserve the safety character and quality of life of our community. Thank you for your time.

Thank you sir.

Hello.

Hello.

Hello, my name is Joyce hail and I am a resident of Homer township in the Cedar Glen subdivision adjacent to the property. The badger would like to have rezoned. I'm here tonight to strongly oppose it. Badger is seeking C4 zoning as we know, which is the most intensive commercial classification available. These classifications are usually reserved for large scale retail. Heavy automotive traffic and highly intense high intensity commercial uses not directly next to residential neighborhoods. Approving this request would introduce in industrial noise, heavy truck traffic, excessive lighting and distribution or disruption. I'm sorry to nearby homes. 1 of the major concerns that we've already talked about a number of times is the water usage in recent meetings badger stated their operation would use as little as 20,000 gallons of water per day, raising concerns about long term impacts. On local ground water and residential wells, they've also stated that they would annex into American water, which from 1 of our village trustees stated would still impact our aquifer because Illinois water isn't just like Michigan water. It's mixed with our well water. Um, with over 30 trucks, making 80 to 120 trips daily noise is another concern. Although it's claimed that the trucks will be stored inside a roof. These are 3630 ton vehicles. Industrial diesel, industrial vehicles, research and public accounts from people living near other facilities. Describe constant industrial noise, early morning activity and conditions similar to living near heavy equipment yard or wastewater treatment facilities. That's a pretty severe. Impact to us, I know they claim they're going to put up a berm, but there's no berm that's going to be high enough to stop diesel fumes to stop that truck noise. I know they said 6 feet 6 feet is not even I don't know what could be high enough to prevent that. Um, again, as stated before truck and safety traffic and safety are also concerns. Our roads are not designed for trucks of this size. And no clear truck route has been identified 1 proposed route would take these routes directly past 2 elementary schools in a district school bus yard. And it could possibly be during their already congested dismissal product process. There are also concerns about the future of this property badger stated. They do not need the entire pass parcel and could potentially sell portions of the land of the forest preserve. However, if they rezone it to see for. There would be nothing preventing future industrial or high intensity commercial. Developments on that site and finally, while badger has said, they want to be a good neighbor representatives and their legal counsel. Made at least 1 statement during recent meetings that were inaccurate and easily verified as false. This raises concerns about the reliability of other claims being made regarding the project. Many items discussed tonight are in direct opposition to what they've stated in prior meetings. Since Sunday residents have secured nearly 300 petition signatures. On a petition, both online and on paper, opposing the zoning change, demonstrating the growing concern within the community about the impact this development would have on our neighborhoods. In closing, I respectfully ask that this rezoning request be denied. This proposal does not fit in the long term vision for the development of 159th street and would bring heavy industrial activity directly next to establish the residential neighborhoods. Thank you for your time and consideration. Thank you for your testimony.

Just a couple of questions as far as cross examination. Will you answer his questions?

I'll try.

I'm sorry. I didn't get your name when you first spoke. Joyce Hale. Okay. As far as the aquifer, are you aware of what aquifers are in this area or what their names are, what they hold? No. Okay.

I'm going by what a village official said.

Okay.

And you said that Lake Michigan water is mixed in with wild water to provide service to homes?

Correct.

Who does that?

Illinois Water.

Am I American?

Yes.

Okay. And how do you know that again?

It was something a village official stated in a meeting.

So you have no 1st hand. I'll hold you that.

Nope. But this person did research.

And you said persons living near other facilities made comments about, uh, noise operation and that's other badger facilities. Which facilities were they?

I didn't Google exactly which ones, but when I Googled what it's like to live near a badger facility, that's what came up. Or what do people say about living near a valid badger facility? Those are results that I found.

Can you tell me what the names of those people are?

I can go and probably ask them and be willing to even go up to your Wisconsin 1 to find out.

But you don't know, no, but they've put it out there on the Internet that you stated that both the attorney, which I, so you're referring to me or because my associate Mr. was also present a meeting and you said I made a false statement. What statement is that?

Where does Logan live?

Logan lives he lives in. Right off of Galga road, just south of.

Route 6, so he does not live in Homer township. He does not live in Homer Township, but it was stated at the township meeting that he was a Homer resident and you would never bring something to his community that would be possibly detrimental to his community.

So you don't remember that that was Mr. North.

Who said I said, um, what I said was. Representatives Badger representatives and legal counsel. So, is is Mr North a badger representative?

I'm asking the questions here. These are.

Oh, okay.

Yeah. Um, so I, I believe.

You're you're not saying that I said that particularly no, I'm not saying that you specifically said that, but it was stated in a publicly recorded meeting.

Okay.

And is, and it's not true is that he's not a Homer resident and I'll have him address that during.

Okay.

Thanks.

Thank you.

Okay. My name is Scott mod.

I'm a resident of the subdivision to the East. I'm also a local 150 operator. I operate these back trucks for meat electric. I've been an operator for 35 years. I know all about them. I know how much water to carry. I know much. I do have some questions about a lot of the things. 1st of all, as a homeowner, I do not want them around us. Just it's not, it's just common sense. I mean, there's parcels all over will county that are close to 355. they're available. There's areas around the boat. There's, you know, black ports talking about building a data center. They can come down archer road, turn on 2nd street. And at the old cycle refinery, and there's tons of land down there. There is no housing, no, nothing and they can do whatever they want. My company does hire badger for work. There's times they have to be on the job at 6 o'clock in the morning. So they're leaving their yard at 4 in the morning. They're also a company that's dispatched when there's emergencies for municipalities. So there's times they will be called out on Sundays to go help the municipality for a water main break or anything else like that. It's just, it's the common sense part of this. I mean, they're a great company. I'm not gonna take anything away from them. They're a good company. I know union people that work for them or have worked for them. It's nothing about that. It's just the location. The left hand turns in there won't work. The turn goes into trees. It's just not right. I mean, and the other, I do have 1 question. How are you going to fuel your vehicles? Are you going to have tanks? You're going to have diesel tanks. They're already going to have are happy. You're going to have a tanker come and fill them up. Are you going to go down the Lenny's with a gas card? I'd like to know because we are our main concern is the water.

If the conventional allowed, we'd be happy to answer that. So, yeah, that'd be great. The fuel trucks will come in and deliver any feeling that's on site. They'll also be fueled off site. So, no, thanks. No storage fuel on the property.

Okay, so you'll have fuel trucks coming in. So you'll have more trucks. You'll have semis coming in with fuel to fuel up your trucks.

And there's possibilities for spillage and, you know, I, I, I.

I just don't want to get into all, I know all the talk of, you know, when you have hazmat and stuff like that, you take it to Heartland, the guy goes in the back and washes it out. You know, I know how everything's done, but it doesn't mean the trucks are coming back without contamination on them. I mean, it's just, it's just the wrong area for it. I would be happy to see them anywhere where it's an industrial park. You know, I'm five houses away from this parcel. So, I'm going to hear every time a truck pulls in, I'm going to hear the air brakes locking in. I'm going to be sitting in my pool. I mean, you can't tell me they're not going to do there's going to be a 2nd shift at times. It might be small, it might be a couple of times a week. I mean, what are you going to do when there's a flat tire? You're not going to change a tire on the site. I mean, we're going to listen to the, the, the guys with the wrenches changing tires. I mean, it's just, it's a, we got enough noise from 159th street from the kids. Racing down the street from the stoplights, we don't, it's just the wrong place. And that's, you know, nothing against badger. I really don't. You're a, they're a great company. You know, if I was 20 years younger, I wouldn't mind running a truck, but I'm. Past that point, and you understand that, I mean, but it's just, it's the wrong place. It's as simple as that. And that's all I mean, thank you. Any questions or anything?

Thank you for your testimony.

Give you the signatures that I have on newspaper petitions.

Give it to our staffer. Thank you.

Thank you.

it's mr wendland's turn are there any more people who want to testify concerned citizens or objectors there are not okay would you uh care to return please and yeah condition a map of memphis

No, we never can. Yeah, I know this too. I forget.

Before any statements that I would make, I would like to answer some of the issues that came up and. Also answer any further questions of the members of the commission. So, 1st of all, I call Logan again. Logan, there was a question with regard to Birmingham trees and whether that would just be on the West side. Can you. Tell us what the plan is.

Yeah, we're open to putting farming down both sides of the property, working with the mousse lodge, working with the gentleman owns a storage facility, putting barns with trees on top down down both sides as well as in front if needed.

And could you pull back up that the latest site plan that shows when you're talking about that left turn lane into the property and see if we can zoom in on it. I think that may be helpful. While you're doing that, another question, some other questions, Logan. Um, how many, uh. Boy, let's, I guess they'd be, I assume they're half baths on site, not showers and dubs.

Correct.

Okay. So how many toilets are we talking about total in there?

Uh, most likely to accommodate the office staff, we would put 2 women's toilets in the office 2 men's and the same out in the shop area for the operators 2 and 2, 2 men's 2 women's so totally. Yeah, totally.

And as far as, like, is there were there wash down stations for trucks or anything of that plan?

We wash all of our trucks off site using blue beacon truck wash and different 3rd party truck wash facilities to do the actual washing of the vehicles. We don't wash trucks at any of our facilities around the US today. And as far as the entire 38 acres.

Did you initially from the owner try to buy just the frontage acres and not the left for us?

Yeah, we had originally proposed to the property owner to buy the front half of the property. They were in talks at that time to try to sell the back to the forest preserve. Um, but at that time, they wanted to sell the whole thing and told us we could work with the forest reserve, which we've provided. Uh, we've started that conversation to sell the back, uh, property that's not needed for our operation off to the forest preserve. And so you have no other intention for use of that property, correct? No, no intention. We'd be willing to sell the back of the property off to anyone as far as.

And, but through your site, you don't provide any access to that real property, correct?

No, we do not.

Okay. And if the kind of the county had offered you an opportunity to only zone the front 10 acres, or about 10 acres, you're going to use.

I think it's about 12 to 14, depending on.

Yeah, if and if you have. If the county would have allowed you to just rezone that portion, that would be the application you're making. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. And the only party that you've been in. Any contact with with regard to that rear of that portion that you don't need is the forest preserve district in your realtor. Correct?

Correct. Okay.

Um, and so. Looking towards the bottom, uh, where the turn lane comes in, uh, into the property, right? When it enters the property. Uh, there's no, not much room between there and your Eastern property line, but then it curves back in. Is that correct?

Yes.

Okay. And as it goes back in towards your parking lot, the intention of that was. 1, before it reaches any homes that you'd have plenty of room for a berm screening and landscaping. Is that correct?

Yeah, we would start it as soon as it widens from the property line there, run the berm all the way down with threes on top of the berm. Okay.

Question to Mr. right? Questions of Mr. before I.

Do we have any questions? Yeah. I don't think that this is really applicable to zoning. But I've driven that 159 and I made the U turn and it even has the signs. I believe that say no trucks over a certain length and I've seen it in other areas, but. You're going to have to get to shorten that island because there's no way those badger trucks are going to make that left hand turn. I think if they're in the left hand lane, I just. I see what the 24 foot grain truck has to do to get into my driveway. On and on a narrow road, he's had to back up twice. It's not that it's. It just don't turn tight. Um, and that's probably not applicable to zoning, but I do want to go back to what you said earlier. You said the county only won't allow you to only zone a certain portion of it with split zoning under it would be split zoning under 1 ownership.

So, the parts that we separated in the back portion would not have frontage. So it would not be a legal parcel in separate parts. Okay, that was at our initial pre application meeting. We questioned that.

So. I'll just have to let, you know, now I'm going to be a no vote and it's not so much that I see the C4 as a problem, but on the whole parcel and when you only need part of it. Um. And maybe that's not right if somebody can convince me a different reason why, but, uh. It technically means that whole 38 acres in the future can be. See, for which the village of Homer, Glenn may appreciate if something happens in the back half that produces sales tax revenue. I've heard this argument all the time. Municipalities want the money and property taxes are nice and they also have a property tax.

They want sales tax.

That's why gas stations are really coveted. And, you know, or or shopping centers, especially high end shopping centers where they can make more.

But.

Yeah, I just got a whole problem with the whole 38 acres.

And as far as the engineering goes, um, you know, we're relying on our engineers at Jacob and Heffner and communications of that.

So, I guess, um, I don't know what the greatest requirements are, but from what I've heard from other developments and friends of mine that put in a grain operation, you are allowed to do it. I dot will just make you have to pay for it all and you have to submit plans and be approved and it moves slower than the traffic on 80. yeah. Unfortunately, which, you know, it sounds like if you guys do, if you've been 180 lately, sometimes you're going to have a race against and their new bridge over hopefully your contractors move faster, but. Um, yeah, so that's where I'm sitting now is a no vote and I had a couple more questions from the other people you were asking specifically to his testimony. So I'll let you continue.

Um, no, I was done with testimony as far as from a lot.

Unless they're ready for the questions.

Um, I was just getting up for closing remarks by myself.

Oh, I guess the other 1 was was mentioned. Is annexation really required for you to tap on to the miss the water supply, which I've heard Illinois water, American water. I guess it's Illinois, American water.

The mayor said that, and I, for the 1st time, it's 1st time I've heard that. I mean, Illinois, American water existed and provided water to parcels long before the village of Homer Glenn exists. And there were many parcels when Homer Glenn was incorporated. I know this because I was sitting here as chief councils and went through the county board. That were connected to my American water and weren't part of the initial incorporation of Homer Glenn. So that's the level of my knowledge. So I don't know about today. If there's some law passed, I don't know about it.

So, but you mentioned earlier, so you have been badger has been contacting the water. So, that is, that's correct. And to your knowledge, have they said anything about annexation being required? Not at this time. Okay.

My understanding of the of the law again, like you, because I don't know if there's anything been passed recently, but my understanding is, you are able to tap onto the nearest. Water company that will supply you or city or village that will supply you with water. And with sure. That that by law, you're allowed to do that. Now, has that changed?

Some municipalities will not allow you to tap on to their system tap 1 or they. Simply won't allow you to tap on. Uh, unless you annex, but that's up to them, but many municipalities like Frankfurt, uh, where you're familiar with serve areas territory territories extraterritorial and they bought a water system, a private water system is a private water system. It's always served on incorporated areas. Now, it serves many incorporated areas. No, different than aqua Illinois does and a lot of these private water companies and there's nothing that I know of nothing I've heard. That requires annexation to a particular municipality for you to have connection to such a water facility. The point of Mr. additional testimony was regard to was with regard to wastewater and they're only 8.8 toilets being planned and no wash bays being planned on the property. So.

Okay. Uh, if we have no more questions, everybody satisfied that we're going to go ahead and 1 question for staff.

What is the zoning on the parcel?

That's put your mic down.

The zoning case that we heard a couple of years ago for the storage. What is the current?

So, uh, the 1 to the West, the storage is I want.

And just for a point of reference to, um, we initially came in at the plan and. Thinking that I want would be most compatible, which would allow our proposed use it's next door. I mean, it would be. Very difficult to refuse we picked a less intensive C4 zoning at the suggestion of staff at a Pre application meeting.

Yeah.

And I don't know if anybody can shed any light on me because I've stated the C2 to C4 doesn't make much difference to me, but the acreage does or unless that's. Bad thinking on my part, I welcome anybody to argue me. Out of it, I also would love to see you on. Public water supply and sewer supply to me. For the C4 zoning, what it could entail in the future, I would have to admit what I see on the maps from Shannon, what I read online. And what you proposed, this would be like, the perfect business to have next to you. You had to have a business because Lord knows we've had many complaints about people that have been in here for variances and want to do different things. And they don't look near as upstanding and well cared for properties, but you seem to be proposing and seem to show.

Thank you, I just want to say it too, with regard to the personal, just to our West that I, 1 goes all the way to the North all along that property line and we could be here requesting. I 1, and I can't tell anybody how to vote, but I. Taking many cases through the court and having an eye 1 next door would make it a very difficult situation for the county. And that's initially what we came in because it was next door and because my advice to my client asking for, and it was at the instance of staff. That asked us to come forward with a C4 that would allow the same thing instead. The only thing, and I think I may have pointed this out before. So forgive me if I did is that. Construction sales and services, which is what this permitted use is is a special use in a 1. I've been before this commission many times. With proposals for construction sales and services in a 1, this is, I presume.

All electronic sales and. In other words, it's all by done by fax phone and text, right?

Actually, online inputs and looking to speak to this.

Yeah, there's no foot traffic of customers in and out of the facility. It's all done via phone.

So just only 1 person a day. Maybe, you know.

Yeah.

Okay.

And again, if there was, we didn't have any no, no, there's no access. Anywhere in this design for the property to the north and, um, if would have sold these offered to sell these folks loose property, they would have been happy to do that because right now they've got 20 some acres more than they need. And again, the only contact you've got a letter from the forest is for the forest reserve and if they had different intentions, they would have designed or propose a connection from 159th to get to the back because there's not another connection.

Yeah, you're already facing a problem with. Limitations on roads and secondary roads. Even on 159th street, it's a state road, but it's. but it is a low limit road.

Uh, it's not between this site and 355, which there are some comments made about that and they're glad that was brought up between. The only intention is to go from here to 355 badger doesn't. Overweight citations, I can tell you that you'd avoid them at all costs. Those citations can be in 5 figures. I know that because I represent separate local contractors, these fines, maybe 10,020,000 dollars. Um, no.

They found that out in Arsenal Road, didn't they?

They did.

Okay. We have no more questions here. We're going to go ahead and prepare for a vote then.

If I couldn't Mr, uh, chairman, um, our realtor Bonnie Willis would like to say something about the context with the forces, or as far as the northern edge end of the property.

Sure.

Statement.

Thank you, Ronnie Willis, um, just so, you know, that. For a couple of years, I've been talking to the forest reserve about this property and when badger, when we took the site and said that they were interested in it, I spoke with forest reserve again and they said, I asked them if they wanted to go ahead and, um. Move forward with their appraisals and do their sister process and they said they prefer to wait till it's under the ownership that it needed to be. And it has also said it kind of complicates it to do both at the same time. So they are truly interested in the property and that's the email that you see there. I asked them if they would write that letter and they have no use for it. And that would be the best. Um, use for it at the back of that property. So Badger has no use for Badger has no use for the back of the property. I'm sorry. So the forest reserve is interested and they're also interested in the 20 acres that is to the east.

Um, of that property, so so what type of buffer are you talking between the.

Commercial in the residential then in distance, the residential that begins just at the North end of the moose drove. And I don't know if we have that in front of us here. Or if we can zoom in as far as the width between there and your proposed parking lot. Do you remember that Kevin or. Up where that call the 2nd is in the house.

I would hate to misstate. I'm guesstimating 100 feet or better.

Let's let's not guess. We've been accused of that a little bit for if it can we pull that up Alec and that site plan and see if we can zoom in on that area. That's up near that cul-de-sac. I have to go a little bit here, right? At least. Yeah, there's do you see the home there? Yeah. And I don't know if we can zoom in on that distance.

I can't see any numbers here. Might be better view, huh?

It's not built yet. So that wouldn't help me here actually. We can bring the engineer up. So I didn't know that. So.

Well, the engineers coming, can I ask, uh, yeah, Bonnie Willis, do you have an acreage estimate for the 4th? There's acquisition possible acquisition.

Um, I think it's just based on what badger what they develop on the. Front of the parcel, and then the remainder would be. So, 38 minus 14 at max.

So 24. okay. Thank you.

Ryan Blocker with Jacob and Hefner, civil engineers and surveyors. Yeah, it's labeled there in the drawing is 70 feet. The idea being to get the buffer as wide as we could after we get in the entrance.

Okay.

Well, 1, 1 question for me, uh, that pad that you have in the back next to the pension fund, what is that designed for? Is that just scroll over?

So, further to the north there. Moving up, I guess right. For the right the other North people there you go.

That there's retention in front and back according to the conceptual drawing.

Yeah. That's just an open area. I mean, just right where the curse is that right there is that part of the parking lot there? That's yeah, it's just an open area at this time again. It's just as the drawing is stated, you know, we're going to have to have access around the detention pond to do maintenance of the grass and other things. There wouldn't be truck. The trucks would be in the building. And again, the parking lot is just designed for the. For the county, we don't need that many parking spaces.

You could actually, as far as Logan, that that box that you see just to the South of the detention, but it could go away. It can go away. It can be grass could be a berm.

Yeah.

which means more retention and those are just formulas that are in the county ordinance as far as they do need to build the retention for that because if badger ever leaves and something else comes in there that requires that parking yeah you see the detention pond there's just over four acres uh four acre feet of water yeah that's an impermeable service that you're having for the

Okay, yeah, and the county dictates that we have to. Detain for all that impervious, whether that's asphalt or it's a building itself, or even if that were. Gravel or reps and it's not.

Okay.

Yes, in closing, you know, this is a parcel that I'd like to remember is I understand people have homes here and the homes may have been built 30, 40, 50 years ago. You know. I like you, you have been here a long time. I've been here all my 60 years. Um. Actually, my backyard is 1 more township if I walk into it. Um. You know, these routes have changed 159th has changed. It's 20,000 cars a day. I got saw clear. To make it 4 lanes to each way. Plus a turn meeting turn islands in the middle of it. All the way across it's us round 7 and before there was around 80 and before there was rough 55, it was roads like this and roads like route 30 that took that traffic. There's 20,000 cars a day. It's industrial zoning joining it on the West. It's commercial to the East. And while there's residences there, these things are changing changing and I can tell you through zoning cases. I've been involved multiple times for subdivisions that were 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 years old. Have been turnover and slowly changed to commercial and that's what happens. Okay. That's the trend of development area. That's what the case law talks about. What is the trend to develop in the area? You heard Alec talk about it just a little bit earlier. I mean, I really appreciate even from the objective standpoint, the discussion about what kind of operation badger operates. Okay. And. These aren't 5 and time jobs either that they're providing their lifetime careers they're providing. And I also didn't hear anybody say that we don't do anything. And that is badger. I'm talking about anything less than a 1st class manner. And in the end. This is on a state highway with. That many cars and that much traffic. And the roads that are built and designed for it, we have no intention of going roads roads that aren't built for those weights as I mentioned earlier and. You know, people say going in an industrial park, I guess go find a local industrial park that has 14 acre lots and I guess we can talk about that attached to roads that will handle that kind of traffic on a consistent basis and. That being said, I mean, I understand there's changes. I understand that difficult for people sometimes, but that is the trend of development in that area. 159th street us round 7 is a commercial corridor. I just decided that the people that decided that and, you know. As the changes happen, the funny thing is. I hear this all the time, and I think it hurt a little bit and I, maybe I didn't tonight. So I don't want to speak for anybody is that. I hear the comments I moved out here for it to be a rural area and. You know what so did a lot of other people, mainly from Cook County and. After that happened, we've got a wide roads and commercial gets built up because there's more rooftops. Okay, and that's happened over Glenn. It's happened in the unincorporated area of Northern Linux township where my back yard is Homer township. It's happened in Lennox. It's happened in Frankfurt. It's happened in and it's happened in all these other municipalities. As they developed, that's the trend of development in the area. The trend of development along 159 is not to build new houses exiting on 159. we've had a few. They seem to be less and less because that trend and the value of that property. Depends more towards commercial and when they tell you, and they ask you where to build, where do you build a facility? It's going to handle this. Okay. In the least intrusive way. Badger doesn't intend to be intrusive. So they, the county says, don't apply for it. I want this directly next door. And wouldn't be much of a question apply for commercial district instead that would allow this. Badger says, okay, and they bring course support the 1st, class facility. Okay with no intentions of doing anything other than that and. You know, we'd like to develop a cooperative manner and as you heard from Logan a lot, you heard from Kevin North. Whatever accommodations we can make to do that badger is willing to do. Okay. And it's not a fly by night operation. They're not looking to get away with anything. But again, this is the development that Sanchez between industrial. Commercial zoning, and admittedly, there's an older residential subdivision built in the county years ago. Just to the Northeast. There's no question about that. Okay. But again, these areas change, this is the pattern of development, and this is what's been happening here. And as Alex said, a professional planner, it meets those criteria just for those reasons. Under the LaSalle and Sinclair cases, which is literally where the map amendment criteria in the zoning ordinance comes from, word for word. And it meets those conditions. And nothing that was said tonight Would in any way take away from that? So I understand the concerns. Tell me, I'm telling you, I do again. I've lived in basically, I mean, unincorporated will county. Since I on. Regan road with my mom where I'm out still lives in the woods there off of Parker in 1969 that we moved in. Um, so I understand those changes. Okay. And, um, but again. Please look at where this property is that please look at the roads that it's on. Please look at the surrounding uses and please take a look and listen to your staff and take a look at the zoning criteria and understand that not 1 thing said tonight. And there was no testimony from any objective, either the village. Nor township, nor anyone else that in any way. Takes away from Alex conclusions, Alex conclusion that this meets the map amendment criteria under your ordinance, which is codified from the Illinois Supreme Court ruling and the cell case. We'd ask for approval. Thank you.

There you go.

Well.

Our case number is 26 to 0 to 0. And I'm dash 25 to 0 to 4. Uh, I would, uh, like, a motion place.

This is chairman. 26 to 0 to 0 for, um. And there's 25 to 0 to 4 for a math amendment approval for map amendment from C is to slash artist to to see for.

Do I have a 2nd, I have a motion in a 2nd.

I have a roll call place, Kimberly Mitchell. John, no. Roger batten housing. Matt Garland. Yeah, it was never Lewis never at. Karen work and chairman Houston. Yes.

4 to 3, and this will carry on. So, this case will be heard at the June. Uh, 4th lane use and development committee in this room, um, at 11 am. By the lane use and development committee, and then the county board, um, June 16th or June 18th. Um, 930 this location.

Case tonight as a 26, 0, 0, 2. And, um. Agreed is going to present this case.

Good evening. Okay, so this temporary use permit to 6002 is to allow 2 shipping containers on residentially zone properties. Um, typically the zoning administrator is allowed to approve certain temporary use permits and those that are not delineated in the zoning ordinance. Um, would have to come before this planning and zoning commission for consideration. This is 1 instance where you would hear the temporary use request. Um, so the section that deals with accessory uses states that cargo containers may be used in any zoning districts for the purpose of storing construction materials and or equipment when associated with a valid. Or a valid building permit, um, the property owner associated with this, uh, Application, which is Raymond Alcala, Jr. submitted a permit back in August of 2025 to construct a single family residence on pin 11, 0, 4, 35, 3, 2, 4, 0, 0, 9. However, that permit has never been issued. So he currently has 2 shipping containers on that parcel and the adjacent parcel, which is 11, 0, 4, 3, 5, 3, 2, 4, 0, 0, 8. Um, and. That applicant is coming before you to basically address the fact that he put the cart before the horse, so to speak by putting those cargo containers on the site before a permit was issued. Um, so the. Key with the single family residence pin, which is 0, 0, 9 ending, um, would be allowed once the building permit is issued to have the cargo container for construction materials. The pin ending in 0, 0, 8 would need a temporary use permit, um, to allow 180 days for that temporary or for the cargo container. Um. Should the end of the 180 days occur that cargo container either needs to be removed from the parcel or relocated to the parcel that has the active building permits. So the parcels on the screen, um, are identified they're outlined in yellow. So we have is that Northern parcel and which is where the proposed residents will be. Um, is that Southern parcel assumed in image? Um, so we have the survey shown on the screen and you can see, um, is lot 265. Lot 266 would be ending in and that's where the proposed house will be right now. The cargo containers straddle the property line. And then just zooming in, you can see the proposed single family residents with the cargo container and then the 2nd cargo container is just on the other, um, parcel. So, the property is owned are for, um, it is in lockport township and the property addresses as you can see on the screen are 2, 1, 2, 3, and 2, 1, 2, 5 angle with Avenue. And then these are just some photos of the 2 cargo containers again. They basically straddle the property lines between the 2 lots. And staff is recommending approval of this temporary use permit to allow the 2 shipping containers on the residential zone properties with 1 condition that it's valid from May of May 19th of this year through November 15th. So it's 180 days. Um, and then again, as mentioned. Provided the building permit is issued for pin. Um, that cargo container would be permitted as long as that building permit was, um. Open essentially, once it's closed, that cargo container would have to be removed or a permit would have to be pursued to make it an accessory structure. The pin on or the cargo container on would either need a new, um, temporary use permit or be removed from the parcel or relocated. And I'm happy to answer any questions.

Do you know if these containers there are in wheels or do they have to be moved by a crane?

I believe they would have to be moved via a crane or some. They usually tilt that truck. Right.

Okay. If they're full of construction materials, like, 2 by 4, et cetera. They're pretty heavy.

I think we'll get our answer.

Yeah. I think, yeah, the applicants here to any questions.

I have no other question. Anyone have any other questions? I agree.

No, thank you. Please come down, sir.

Are there any objectors or concerned citizens to this case here tonight? There are not. Okay.

Hi, my name is Raymond and, uh, like, uh, like they said, I kind of put the cart before the horse when I spoke to lockport township, they said, if I was getting a permit for a building that I could have a container on the building. So, on the property, and I had another property that I had to move everything out of with all my. So, I, I put, I, um. I, once they told me that I could have a container, I went and got, uh, gravel and had a company bring out a container. Well, then, when I spoke to will county, we had a, a Pre approval meeting on my permit. They said, you have to get the permit 1st. And I said, I applied for it. He said, well, it hasn't been approved. And I said, well, I don't I sold my building. I don't have anywhere to put the material. So they, uh, they agreed to have this hearing and to issue me. I paid 200 dollars for a temporary use permit for both of the trailers, uh, provided that, uh, it'll be gone in 180 days, which, um, I'm working with, uh, to do my site survey now, and I have a company that in July is gonna. Do my concrete work and the building provided that the permit is approved. So I'll be done long before November. I should be done. I'm hoping by August.

Don't curse yourself.

But, uh, I just wanted to rectify things with the county and make sure that we're on the same page that in the future I get my. Paperwork done before I do anything else and I, I, uh, I have a recent picture where, you know, I remove the other stuff on the property. I just have the 2 trailers, you know, sitting there and, um, I wanted to make sure that, uh, you that you approve the temporary use for. The 1 trailer and the other trailer will only remain until the construction of my, my home is done.

Well, hold the picture because if you submit it to us, it has to go into the records and we keep it. Okay.

So, okay.

Which is. Know that you have done your due diligence now.

Yes, and I've had, I've had everyone at will county's been really helpful. We had, we had a meeting last month and they all sat down and explained to me, you know, what procedures I have to take and I've never built a house before. So I didn't understand, you know, that you have to apply a Joliet water for the water and you have to apply here and apply. So now I have a general contractor that's helping me coordinate everything and make sure your general contractor as a warning.

Make sure that he has your basement measured out in the right place before he starts forward because because if you end up too close to your neighbor's property, we'll see you again.

Well, I own the lots on both sides. So I'm putting the building in the middle just in case I fudge by a foot or so. Okay. All right.

Mr. Chairman given no objection from the public and a recommendation from staff. Motion for approval of temporary use permit to allow 2 shipping containers on residential zone property with the condition noted by staff for 26 dash. 0, 0, 2.

2nd, I have a motion a 2nd, I have a roll call Kimberly Mitchell. John Keith there yes, Roger battenhausen Matt Garland. Yes. Lewis never at Karen Warwick. And chairman Houston, yes, you can take that as apology accepted.

Thank you.

You're welcome, sir. Um, a public comment. No, public comment any announcements for staff. All right, then our next scheduled meeting will be June 2nd. Right here in this room, so. Make a motion ask for a motion for adjournment.

The motion.

All right, 2nd, somebody all right most of the 2nd, all in favor signify by saying, I, any opposed same sign. Let's see June. All right. Good night folks. Thank you all for the help.