Planning Board - Regular Meeting

Good evening. Glad to see every full house today. We'll leave the doors open in case we have uh any more uh any more that want to come listen. Uh but welcome to the town of Pittsburgh planning board meeting for Monday uh July 21st. We have looks like we have quite a few speakers. We'll get to those in a minute. Um first we need to uh certify quorum. It looks like everyone is present. So we have a quorum. Uh, and then has uh everyone had an opportunity to look over the agenda and have any questions or uh amendments to the agenda? No. None. Uh, can I get a motion to approve the agenda?

Reapprove the agenda as as proposed. All right. Do I have a second? I'll second. Uh, all in favor, please say I. I. All right. The agenda is approved. Uh, next, the minutes carry. I believe circulated the minutes. Has everyone had a a opportunity to look those over and any edits need to be made? No. All right. I'll uh take a motion to approve the minutes for June 16th, 2025. Make a motion we approve the minutes. Motion by Alfreda Alustin. Do I have a second? Second.

Second by Connie McAdams. All in favor, please say I. I. minutes are approved. Um, all right, we'll move on to our public comment period. Um, we do have quite a few speakers. So, we we really do need to keep it to our our three minutes here, but uh when you come to the podium, please state your name and address at the start of your comments. There is a time limit of 3 minutes which will be displayed on screen. In the interest of time and fairness, it is the board's policy not to respond directly to comments during this period. Uh staff will follow up as needed. So with that, I have uh Tiana Thurber.

And did I pronounce that correctly?

Therber. Hi, my name is Tiana Thurber and I live in Pittsboro, 120 Hank Street. I know a lot of you in here. I will make this as quick as I can. Um, my name is Tiana. I'm a small business owner in town and a resident of Pittsboro. And my store was many um was one of many that flooded during Chanel. I lost inventory, income, time, and I'm still recovering. My store is still closed. This flood was more than a natural disaster. It was a wakeup call and a warning. Our infrastructure isn't ready for the pace of development we're seeing. And that's why I'm asking the board to revisit the Chattam Park small area plan. Thank you.

Thank you, Miss Tiana. Uh we have Miss Joy Huitt. Joy Hu 3069 Silk Con Springs Road. The Shan Paul flooding show how vulnerable our community and our environment are. I would like to urge the town of Vic to put a moratorum on approving any new developments and a moratorum on changing residential and agricultural district zoning due to the risk to the health and welfare of our community. Is a 10-year flood attenuation plan sufficient for Chattam Park's master plan and any small area plans? Now, does a town's math have reliable new data on what the anticipated rainfall or flooding due to climate change acceleration will be for the next 20 years? We need more review of the Chattam Park ordinances called elements that were used for North Village that shouldn't be used for South Village. that that 5,000 a acres approaching Jordan Lake should be should not be one giant gargantuan plan but more carefully controlled small area plans. South Village should have much better protection of trees than in the current elements. Chattam Park small area plans included a tree protection area that should not be used again. The requirement for tree coverage percentages allows less trees in the residential, mixeduse or commercial districts by moving those trees percentages to TPA and buds. This diversion of tree cap coverage is very problematic. Can the planning board or town staff look into more tree canopy and less bulldozing, clear cutting of acorage and more stands of existing

trees be saved? Should overall imp perous standards be changed before any more developments are approved. Climate change needs to be considered before reducing greenery and trees and increasing hotspots through rooftops, roads, and parking lots. Development in areas closest to flood planes and Chattamar need to be reconsidered in light of these horrific floods seen in Asheville and now in Chadam. Even the town's flood plane development standards and what is defined as flood plane may need to be reconsidered. As a river watch monitor of the Hall River starting in 2015, I participated in water quality studies like turbidity and the macro inverterate invertebrate counts downstream of Chadam Park. The water quality reports mostly most recently have shown poor quality and more sediment developments in disturbed land and muddying water and streams. Chatam Chattam Park sediment controls need to be improved before construction starts in South Village. Can staff look into this problem? Breaking South Village into small area plans can help the town improve development standards. We need a moratorium on development until standards impacting climate change can be reviewed. We need a moratorium what bears its climate action.

Thank you. Miss we have Miss Leslie Keefe. Good evening all and thank you planning board and the members of our concerned community for giving me an audience here tonight. Miss Kee, if you would just state your address as state your address.

Yes. My name is Leslie Keith. I live at 102 Xamble Road. And the reason I'm here tonight is to ask the planning board to reconsider the reasonzoning proposal for the 8 acres on the corner of X Campbell and 87 that was planned to be developed. The red zone area here involves mostly my property which is on both sides of X Campbell and both sides of 64 bypass. My property was condemned and taken for the 64 bypass for the good of all. I suffered and still suffer water pollution, noise pollution, horrible flooding, and trash pollution. The 5 acres that border 64 to my property um are unusable. I can't farm it. I cannot timber it and I can't sell it due to the flooding, horrible flooding. I'm requesting the property involving 6487 NX Campbell not to be reszoned from RA2, which it currently is to the MUAC, the multi-use. I bought my property over 30 years ago, and I bought the property RA A2. I pay tax on my property RA A2 and I hope for it to stay RA2. I have a historic home on my property built in 1870

and the proposed builder never lived in this area. I raised goats, horses, cows, chickens. I also raised hogs and I'm currently registered for the VAD program. That's the voluntary agricultural district program. My farm generates revenue, which I count on now, especially now that I'm retired. My my farm does add beauty to the community. So, I'm asking the planning board to please not reszone from RA2 to MUAC, the mixeduse activity center. And I would like you to remove the red zone permanently because the builder of the 8 acres that he has owned for less than a couple of years and doesn't live there hasn't um proceeded any further. He hasn't withdraw. So I'm asking the funding board to please remove this red zone so the sort of bamicus is not on my shoulders anymore and I want to thank everyone for their concern cooperation and if anyone else here agrees with me uh or wants to ask the planning board to remove the red zone please stand up so everyone know who's involved. Thank you all for your time.

Thank you, Miss Ke. We have Mora Dylan.

Good evening. I'm Mora Dylan. I live in 326 Mronet Road in Place Grove. I'm here tonight as a concerned resident and as a member of the Chattam Climate Action Network to urge your strong voice to the Pittsburgh Commissioners against the single 5,000 acre small area plan submitted by Chattam Park investors. When Chad and K first learned about this proposal that would drastically limit, if not eliminate the town oversight of Chattam Park as it evolves over the next 30 years, we were deeply concerned for many reasons. development choices are so consequential. The way housing, transportation, and green space are built into a community have an enormous impact on how climate change will unfold over the next decades. We also know that what may seem efficient, cost effective, or convenient for developers can end up being incredibly costly for the towns and tax taxpayers who have to support them over time. Even more importantly, Chattam Park is not just another development. It's a massive long-term transformation of our landscape that will affect all of us who live in Pittsburgh and Chhattam County. We have serious concerns about traffic, storm water management, affordable housing, loss of tree cover, greenhouse gas emissions, and the long-term fiscal impacts on our community. But perhaps what has troubled us the most is how this proposal undermines the very foundation of public participation. It feels to us like a power grab, one that strips away the mechanisms of flexibility, transparency, and community input that were built into the town's original vision for their oversight. When we started to speak with others about this, we discovered that many residents shared these concerns, but don't think there is any change in it. Many believe the town has already surrendered its influence over Chattam Park and that nothing more can be modified or changed. But you and the planning board know this is not entirely

true. While some aspects of Chattam Park have been approved and can't be renegotiated, there are still key decisions to be made if the town stays engaged through the small area planning process. That's why Chattam Can drafted a petition asking the town to uphold its original commitment to multiplephased small area plans. This approach ensures thoughtful oversight, ongoing public engagement, and real accountability over time. To date, nearly a thousand people have signed on in support, and we continue to get more signatures every day. This is just in the last month. We are getting lots of people interested. Other members of our group are going to read a few of the comments we've gotten in response to the petition, highlighting concerns that the public has shared with us. This is a very important moment. You can ensure that people's voices continue to matter in shaping the future of Pittsburgh and Chattam County by recommending recommending that the board of commissioners vote no on this proposal. Thank you.

Thank you, Miss D. Vicky Atkinson.

Good evening. I'm Vicky Atinson. My address is 361 to Ridge Chapel Hill. I emailed each of you about my concerns, so I'm only going to highlight one tonight. And I also want to recognize people who are not planning to speak, but who were here because they signed the petition or because they opposed the um change to the massive small area plan, if you would say. Um, we are only beginning to feel the impacts of climate change such as the extreme flooding that we all just experienced. It is hard to imagine what 5 years, 10 years is going to bring in terms of climate change. My over overriding concern is that local officials chosen by us the voters maintain oversight of this massive development that will unfold over decades. We need to keep our elected officials involved. As one of the signers of the petition wrote, quote, "Nowhere else across this land is any developer asking for such a cart blanch proposal, and nowhere else would any municipality abregate its power to control such a massive development as Chattam Park. The rationale stated in the petition is sound and indisputable. This should be a slam dunk rejection by our elected public servants. Thank you. Thank you, Miss Atinson. Um, Mary Meredith Dylan.

Hello. This is Meredith Dylan. I'm at 1570 Listra Road, Chapel Hill. Um, the following comment was made by someone who signed our Chattam Climate Action Network petition. Chadam Park needs to be watched carefully going forward. We have lived in Pittsboro for over 25 years and once the development started, an entire section of forest across from our home was clearcut, now providing us with a lack of drainage, producing knee high rivers appearing in our yard during storms and massive property damages from erosion. They are killing the soul of this row and have already done an amazing job destroying our beautiful land and gave nothing back to our community besides cookie cutter sectioned off developments bordering our rivers, more traffic and industrial runoff for our aquifers to try to soak up. It's honestly made my family consider finally moving as the Pittsburgh we fell in love with is over. Once Disney builds Asteria with its year-round Avatar Blue Lake and facilities, parks and properties limited to the multi-millionaire Disney home buyers who want Mickey Mouse door knobs. I sadly no longer have much hope. Another person wrote, "Pittsboro needs responsible growth and intelligent planning to manage resources. A blanket proposal park 5,000 acres is not how their growth should be addressed. Smallcale projects should be reviews, discussed, approved and and developed. Thank you.

Thank you, Miss Dylan.

Lenor Jarger.

I am Lenor Jarger from 3355 Woody Store Road, Cyber City. Two weeks ago on July 6th, my family and I were driving home from a loved one's funeral. We made multiple attempts to reach our home, but were set back by tornado warnings and fallen trees. Finally, about three miles from home, rushing water swept our car off the road and up against a small tree. We were trapped for several hours while rescue workers at risk to their own safety and well-being worked to save us. Thankfully, we all survived unharmed. Shantel was only the most recent and for me the most personal and terrifying indication that we are in a climate crisis. It caught us all off guard as I laid out the seriousness of what we are facing. Shantel gives us the opportunity to stop and assess our preparedness for other storms and the potential flooding that comes with them. It would be foolish for us not to also consider how the substantial pending development in our county will impact this preparedness. The most recent Chadam County greenhouse gas in inventory names transportation as the number one contributor to CO2 emissions in the county. We also know that Chadam Countyy's forestation or critical carbon sync is down 9.7% since the last study in 2020 and that this decline is largely due to development. Development unquestionably impacts climate. We have no way to predict what other climate disasters are headed our way, but we know they are coming. We need our elected officials to be leaders in adapting our development projects to these crises. Approving a 5,000 acre small area plan turns that leadership over to CPI instead of continuing the partnership that CPI and Pit Suburo originally forged. Sadly, history shows that we simply cannot rely solely on people who stand to profit from growth to make decisions in our best interest. CPI promised multiple small area plans over time and the master plan was

approved with that understanding. We are counting on you to recommend that the board of commissioners hold CPI to their original promises. Imagine with me that we are all in a car swept up in raging flood waters too dangerous to allow our escape on foot. The only thing keeping us from floating down the treacherous stream is a small tree holding us fast in place, giving us time to figure out how to get out of the water safely. In this scenario, you, the planning board, and the Pittsboro Town Council are that tree. The stream is the climate crisis. Clearly, we need to think very carefully and deliberately about how we are going to move forward with a rescue and even possibly figure out what we need to do upstream to slow the waters down. We need you to help create the space where we can all do that. We are literally leaning on you, but CPI would have you cut down that tree, removing you from the rescue and planning equation. We know it will be far harder and maybe impossible to keep everyone safe once we are floating fast downstream. Please cut down this tree.

Thank you, Mr. Jerger. We have Alex Loops. No, Alex Loops. We'll move on to Don Saunders. Hello everyone. I'm Don Saunders. I live at 324 Oakwood Drive in Pittsburgh. Um, my concern is I expressed concerns at last meeting about the 98 homes that are supposed to be put in behind my home that would a watershed into uh, Robison Creek. And then here we are like uh Shantel was a wakeup call of our worst fears. Um and impervious services surfaces and climate change are not our friends. We need to pull back. I call for a monitorium on building in Pittsburgh until the coverts which are inadequate are addressed. the one that goes um behind the Circle K garage that uh the gas station that is on Pittsburgh Elementary School, the one that goes under 15501, the laundromat. We don't need the Circle K gas station flooding and sending all that petroleum down behind the Horton Middle School and then down to our wastewater treatment plant. and uh that almost fought it and it's it's just I'm flabbergasted that that people are

not aware of this. I'm just a lay person. I look at it and go, "No, no, this should not be happening." And yet you guys approved a higher density impervious surfaces and 98 homes which will just flood into that creek and flush the culvert at Oakwood Drive. also that floods several times a year. Um, you're showing I'm disappointed. You're showing lack of foresight. You're killing the soul of Pittsburgh. Josh Stein had to declare a state of emergency in Chattam County. Is are we going to get funds? Can we use those funds to perhaps fix our culverts? Can we instead of having businesses washed out like we had? Um anyway, I pull from monitorium I'm building until we can fully address this subject. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Saunders. We have Candace Huner.

Good evening. My name is Candace Huner and I live in town at 77 Cynthia Lane. I'm here tonight to ask you to pause before approving the small area plan because let's be honest, there is nothing small about 5,000 acres. I understand small area plans typically cover between 50 and 200 acres and this is likely the largest in the country. This large plan hands too much long-term control to developers, a limiting future planning boards and town boards ability to respond and adapt and have oversight. This shift from 27 smaller, manageable small area plans to one enormous one is such a massive change from the Chattam Park master plan. I, like so many others in town, was directly affected by the flooding from Tropical Storm Chantel. The creek next to my home flooded several times, each time causing more damage. And quite frankly, as I saw the creek coming towards me at a fast pace, I was terrified because I was out there trying to secure my home. I ended up being kneede in water in my yard within minutes and my home is flooded. You know that roads were washed out, businesses were hit, and neighborhoods were overwhelmed. Our current storm water system is under strain as it is. Adding 5,000 more acres of development without addressing that first is setting us up for disaster. Our emergency services and disaster response teams need more capacity to keep up. We know now that we need more safeguards and we need to establish how Chattam Park will be held accountable for what they built here. This request pause isn't about being anti-growth. We all know growth is here. It's about giving you, the board of commissioners and the residents of Pittsburgh the time to truly understand the potential impact of this plan. And it's about understanding how to manage it and other growth responsibly and giving current boards and future boards the ability to do so. Thank you so much for your work to make this a better plan.

Thank you, Miss Huner. We have Carol Hewitt. My name is Carol Huitt at 424 John Brook Road, Pittsburgh and the ETJ. I'm going to be brief. I have a couple pages of comments for you, but I want to share that with you. Right. I really is the name of is the topic tonight and I just have to stay with that for a moment because I'm there's one picture that I will send to you of a horse fence. You know how high those are? And there are logs lodged in that fence that came up from the flooding. That is a piece of land that borders Shadow Park. Um on the other side when I tried to get the maps for the flood plane of the area that is Shadow Park, I can't find them on the GS. So I think it's something that we really need to take a look at. The storm regulations are going to have to be reviewed and hopefully updated. You know, we just had this flooding event. They're no longer not frequent. Uh there's a storm, was it Saturday? 60 mph winds to build up some huge trees in our area. This is this is going to keep happening. Uh when you take down 5,000 acres of forest and uh and all that undergrowth and you expose bare land and then you build miles and miles of imperous surfaces, roads and houses, um this is a really perfect recipe for more flooding. So I just think we really have to make that mad. You're going to have this is my suggestion. I would request as a resident that you ask for a working session with staff and that please invite some of us to really study this plan. What I was sent for tonight is a new version of the plan. It's it's different. The maps are different. There's some new things in there. So, a

lot of us have never seen it that have been working on this since the master plan came out 2015. So, there's just a lot to learn here. Uh and um uh we want this, you know, this is the largest mary plan ever proposed in the United States as far as we know. And this will probably get national attention. Um I'm sure we'll have and all sorts of people outline who know what we're up to. Um let's create the best possible development that we that you know we possibly can. And to do that, we got to spend a little time understanding exactly what's in there and what the implications are for the next generations. Thank you. Thank you, Miss Huitt.

We have Mark Huitt.

Good evening. I'm Mark Hu. um at 424 Johnny Road in the ETJ and I'm just going to concur with all the arguments that have been laid before you this evening and request that you delay any changes uh and confirming the master plan. It needs to be in a much smaller series of steps. Uh having a 5,000 acre development rubber stamped at this stage is silly and you have the power to ask for reports, ask for smaller area plans to be given sequentially so that you can understand what is being done. we can all understand what's being done rather than being bulldozed uh lockdown into a situation that we can't control. So um please delay all you can this massive development. Thank you Mr. Hu. And we have Holly Norton.

Good evening. My name is Holly Norton and I live at 75C. My two parcel backs up two houses for where 64 and 87 have come together until May. For five and a half years, I had a preschool on my property, a permanent preschool. And my littlest come the minute in the morning say to me, "Miss Holly, Miss Holly, the baby goats got out of the fence." And it was so exciting. And I saw her animals all the time. I wonder if I was to continue with my preschool what they would say four years from now. Miss Holly, look at the big 18 mirror. Miss Holly, look at the hotel. These are the things that Greg and Paul Stafford want to put there across from Leslie's pond. It is so inappropriate. So, I'm asking you to please consider ending the red zone in that area. It's just not appropriate. There are other places where you could put things like that. Also, long a far away, I lived in another state and I was the contractor. And it seems like everywhere else in the United States, the contractors and the builders bring their plans to the planning board, the county commissioner, whoever in charge and say, "This is what we'd like to do." And the town says, "This is our vision. We would like your buildings to meet our vision." I feel like Chattam Park has just run a muck and the development has just run a muck. As a former public school teacher, it is very concerning to me that we are not going to have enough schools. We're not going to have enough roads to get in and out of the school. Now, the grade right by Pittsburgh Elementary is out probably for the school year again. Where is all this traffic going to go? I feel like the developers and the builders are running the show versus you. and I so appreciate all the time that you give to our community and ask that you um

consider pumping the brakes and taking a real look at this. There's a lot of people here tonight and there's a lot of people who have not made it here tonight that are very concerned about this as well and I hope you'll take it into consideration. Thank you.

Thank you, Miss Norton. We have Steve Berto. Sorry.

Hi everyone. I live at 323 Hanks Chapel Road. It's directly south of the new water treatment plant and there's a little creek there tributary to Leson Creek. Um I got really flooded bad. Um my house was safe, so everything's good. But my property went four feet under. Um about 9:00 at night. Um, I gave up looking at the waters coming up and we went to bed and I thought, "Oh, we'll be able to get out of the house, you know, uh, if the water gets too high." I didn't realize then. I didn't go out into the water to see how deep it actually was. We wouldn't have been able to escape. Um, I'm really concerned about not just the plans that you're going to be approving, but the implementation of those plans. Now, I looked at Google Maps to see what was going on and why my property flooded so badly, which I've never seen it flood like that in the past. And there's I think it's probably the 1500 acres that are being cleared for Disney. Um there's also the hospital clearing. Anyway, it's all directly above my little tributary. It all feeds right into it. So, they don't have any Maybe I don't know. water. I don't think they have the storm water ponds up yet. So, they've cleared all this massive amount of land and all that water is just running rampant. It's not being absorbed into the ground. So, I'm asking to be careful as the plans you approve, but also how they implement those plans, what happens to the neighborhood while everything's under construction. Um, thank you,

Miss Fatto. That will bring us to a close of our public comment period. Moving on, we do not have any old business, so we will skip to our new business, the small area plan introduction. Miss Teresa Thompson, I believe, will be presenting that to us.

Good evening, Teresa Thompson, assistant planning director. Tonight we have child parks representative Chuck Smith who requested to present an overview of the proposed South Village small area plan. The plan is not in your packets tonight. Um, at this time, staff does not have a recommendation or a presentation for the plan. We're still reviewing the small area plan, still meeting with the applicant to discuss the different um components of the proposal. So, uh, this evening's presentation as listed in the agenda is for the applicant to go over some of the, uh, required components of the plan such as roadways, utilities, parks, greenways, and land uses. Um, so if you have questions for staff, you can let us know, but the presenter is going to be Chuck Smith. So, with that, I'll hand it over to Mr. Smith. Thanks, Teresa. Uh, as Teresa said, I'm Chuck Smith with China Park. I'm a licensed landscape architect in the state of North Carolina and have been for the last four years. Um, the reason we wanted to just before you have all this information before you, we wanted to give you a more of an introduction of what to be expecting. Um, most of you, some of you, most of you were not here when the reszoning was approved 10 or 12 years ago. Most of you were not here uh when the uh additional elements were approved. That was a continuation of the same. And just for everyone that's been speaking, almost every issue that deals with some of the um concerns that people have have been addressed in the additional element smaller doesn't have

anything to do with them. Size of a small area plan doesn't have anything to do with them. They've been addressed. Um the and then the next step is a small area plan that the north village has gone through that. I think a couple of you were kind of part of that process to understand that what was submitted as part of that. Um, so I just wanted to get that clear first of all. Secondly, if you've got questions, please don't wait till we'll have a time that you can ask questions if you'd like, but ask as we go. It'll be easier to deal with them right when something's been said or when you've got a thought rather than 20 minutes later or something. uh if you would.

Um as I said, Channel Park came along about 12 years or so ago. I think this zoning was moved in 2015. Um this was at a time when Pittsburgh had been out of sewer for about 12 or so years prior to that. I don't know if they were using moratorum but there was no sewer and as a result there was really no development um sewer the the provision of utilities didn't allow development to occur that was occurring or no that was those resources were not there so development was not occurring um and then the therefore the need to be looking at things like a transportation plant or making sure your sewer capacity city meets development, the pace of development where the park system is in place to to take on that number of people. Those things seem because there was no development, those things have not really been taking place. There was a land use plan. Um there was a zoning code, but it was outdated. A transportation plan was done in 2011, so very out of date. and then Chattam Park comes along. And so all of a sudden there is definitely a need to be looking at those kind of comprehensive plan issues that usually go along with the development of a town land use plan. And so with with that issues like parks and greenways and open space and storm water and water quality, the fiscal impact of growth and what it costs to extend services that you need to know that development is paying for itself. All those things had to take place. affordable housing was a topic has been more of a concern obviously as we've gone through time and watch watch what the cost of housing and the cost of construction has taken on

much more difficult for anyone to be able to afford uh living around here. Um so the but again we spent and some of these things I mean I'm hearing um we we spent over four years including the publican processes, looking at tree protection, looking at storm water, looking at open space, looking at all these things. Uh some of the people that have spoken have been part of that. Um and but you would think that none of this ever took place. The small area plan does not open up the ability to talk about let's talk about trees again or let's talk about storm water again. The elements do that. And so if the town, we have a we have an agreement that annually we come in to look at those uh at the elements just to see if things are outdated. We've got I've got some obviously we got someone here tonight to speak about storm water because it's been such a concern recently. When you have a 10 in storm in six hours, that is not something any town or any system is going to be designed to that standard. You will never do that. you can afford to do that from infrastructure providing that kind of infrastructure system in place. Um, but we'll talk more about that in a minute. So, what we've got tonight really for you is that what has been what has not taken place within all of those looks at the additional elements and looks at the zoning itself has been a more of a a regional look at the larger issues like transportation, like water, like sewer, like the park system, uh looking if you have public facilities, have you got enough fire stations, things like that. So there was a gap in that since many times when a town is more mature and it is way beyond where Pittsburgh is right now or any town of this size. Uh those those planning efforts take place and they

become more robust and you start seeing the results of those. But since that has not happened here, we've had to take on a good bit of that ourselves and then we've been working with the town over the past number of years uh looking at those and looking at what what works, what hasn't worked. A lot of the I just want to say too, a lot of when people are talking about storm water concerns, a lot of what's been going on deals with more of the rush control devices. Not that this I mean you'll I think um the town can talk more about this if they choose to later, but I understand from the most recent event, none of the Chattam Park storm water devices that were actually complete and in place failed during that during a a situation that was more like a thousand-year storm. Um, so does that mean they're perfect? No. But a lot of what happens when you see failure and what we saw around here was either antiquated systems, antiquated pipes that were undersized originally when they were put in 30 years ago or whenever they were put in um, and that were obviously need to be resolved as as time goes on. Newer development is going to bring the newer thinking, the newer process, the newer infrastructure that will be able to handle these situations. Others are going to talk about this in much uh better more detail than I can.

Chuck, can I stop you for a second? Yes, ma'am. Um you said every year you guys meet to um look over the elements and the additional elements and I'm wondering if those have been updated. We've had updates to the landscape elements. Okay.

Um can't remember if we've if any others have been updated. Um, obviously during that time, it's only been recently that the affordable housing element was actually created. So, it had been time to need to look at that. But, um, I one of the reasons we have a storm water person here, too, is there's been more uh concern about whether our storm water element and our storm water plan is substandard to what the town has with its new UDO. He will speak to that. Um but what we've made the commitment that as things are identified that we get together annually to look at that. We you know for example trans transits is an element that we have and we meet um we were meeting every six months or so. We haven't done it as much recently because they tell us so much of what they do is is determined by federal funding. They don't have the money to be doing uh more buses and you know they've been channel park. Why aren't you putting in bus stops? aren't you doing well we don't where do you want us to put them you don't they won't stop there I mean they're doing more door-todoor transit service because they don't have enough density yet to be justifying doing certain things so a lot of these things that we're we've been meeting we meet with the school system for example regularly um but there hasn't yet been enough development yet to say okay let's let's change these things

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there's more to say about that we'll be dealing with it more I know threes and I have had convers ations too about how do we uh look at look at this maybe in a better way than we have just to make sure we're on as on top of things as we can. But I do think there's a lot about storm water that you don't understand in terms of that um the designs that goes into that and the modeling that goes into that. Hunter Freeman will talk about that in a minute. Um, so as as we've heard tonight, there are many of the comments have been why does this thing have to be so big? And the the we the next speaker is going to speak to why we've been looking at this in a larger area than just looking at an individual. Somebody quoted that most small airplanes are 15 to 20 acres. We don't have a section in Chattam Park that's 15 or 20 acres. So if you're looking at those 50 to 200 acres.

We don't have any that are 50 acres, but and then most are much larger than that. And but anyway, if you're looking at a we're going to start with I'll introduce someone who look at our uh the road network, for example, you can't you have to look at a much broader scale than just an individual section. I'll let him speak to that. Mr. Travis with Gly Hornes is here to talk about the more regional nature needed for the roadway network. So give him a few minutes here. Quick question. Yes. Uh you just uh said that you don't have any sections in Chadam Park that are less than 200 acres.

I said said we don't have any less than 50. There there may be I think there's one that's 85 in section 3.2. I'm doing this off the top of my head, but smaller than two million, but not many that are that. So what what are you defining as a section? If you look and that's something that was a for example if you've been part of the last North Village small area plan we have delineations of each section and there are there are land use categories that kind of go with each of those sections and they are whether it's major roadways or whether it's uh major streams or things like that that help establish where those boundaries are but they define what the particular section acreage is. And so this particular small area plan that you'll be receiving here shortly has 16 sections left. There were 11 in the north village. There's 27 total as someone said. It's 11 in the north village, 16 in the south. Um and each of those are different sizes and there and there are different reasons for why they are different sizes.

I have a a question and maybe this is for staff. So um so I think you made the point of the storm water uh infrastructure that we have now that have caused some of the the problems that we've seen from the people who've come up are maybe 30 years old, right? And or 30 years and and aging and probably have changed in quite a quite a number of ways in terms of how effective they can be. And so I guess my question to you is um if if the small area plan is approved as it is today, but you don't but it takes 20 years to develop the last phase of the of the project, would the updated storm would the storm water would the storm water requirements that we have now would they u also be updated as time goes by or would it be locked in at what we have today? I don't know if that's a I don't question. I'll let I'll let Hunter speak to that in more detail, but um one thing I that he will talk about is the fact that when stormwater engineers are looking at this, they aren't looking at okay, we rain is there's a certain data point with rain today.

Y says it's different from what it was 30 years ago. Well, then as the stormwater requirements have you look at today's data, not what was say approved in a plan 20 years ago. You're looking at this year's data and then next year when you're designing, you're looking at next year's rain data and so forth. So that's again, you know, I could be misrepresenting that and I'll let him speak because he is definitely an expert and I'm not. done. Yeah. I'm just curious if the if the if the requirements that the town uh places today if if the small airplane is approved today if that if that can be updated or if it's just what it is today develop no matter when the development occurs in time.

Yeah. So the answer to that is complicated. Okay. Because number one, I mean we are we are allowed to do at this point we are allowed to do what we are authorized by the state to do and that is the threshold that which we are at currently. So that's the first part as far as the town ordinance is concerned. The other part of that as Mr. is talking about is the storm water element and there there certainly is he talked about I think board member talked about this process of periodically reviewing the elements

so you know certainly those type of things can occur but it's important to keep in mind it will at least for the foreseeable future it will be within the framework that we are allowed to operate you know as a local government and right now we are at the level of that. So we are you are considering you know how to um enhance that or look at that in a different way in the future but but currently we're at the limit of what we

thank you question for you so and we've been talking about you know review of the elements Okay, which is great. But what is the ability then of the town to go beyond just a review and impose certain things?

Yeah, that's what I was into as far as the, you know, that regulatory framework that we can do what we're enabled to do by the general statutes and that is, you know, currently what the limit that's in our ordinances. So uh right now we could not unilaterally uh increase that without seeking legislative authority to commit.

Okay. So so in other words then basically we're talking about a a grandfathered structure that once something is approved then everything that would transpire beyond that would be grandfathered in. if ordinances would change, regulations would change, etc. Yeah, I'm not altogether sure I would need to consult with planning contracts or attorneys about the grandfathering, you know, element of that. uh outside of you know I think Chuck's description of the the data changing from years to year and over years I mean that that has an effect of increasing requirements but not through a regulatory process just through the experience and you know storms per

but I would need to get back to you about the grand do that in a in a in a way to follow up that question. So just for like simple my simple brain if I said or if the the regulatory requirements say we have to have 10 trees per house, right? And that's what today 2025 says. But in 2020 2065 they say you have to have 50 trees per house. Would the small area plan that we approved today only require 10 trees per house or would it or would it change based on when the development occurs in 20 years? I just I don't know if that made sense, but

is better just answer that. Well, I think this is a moreated more complicated there's more to this than a smaller with the trees. No, no, clearly I'm just in terms of in terms of my understanding of how

I understand you consult with the town, but is that a but is that a um consultation or is it a this is our new these are our new our new processes and procedures and therefore you must comply or is it more like we're consulting with each other that I guess and that's material I mean you know one example I can only think of one example that the small area plan dealt with for example the priest I'm sorry you can keep coming up here. Um, but the length of a driveway, for example, uh, and the parking spaces are 18 ft deep. We originally had small airplanes that said the the depth of the driveway ought to be 18 ft from the sidewalk to the garage door. Uh, town said people are first of all like some space from the front of the vehicle to the to the door itself rather than putting up against the door. We've increased that to 20 ft as an example. That's a small example, but it's an example of where they bring problems or we actually can bring things to and we're working together. It's it's an iterative process and that's why they get together every year to talk about these things because it is important and thing and obviously we've well aware things change as we go through time. But anyway,

yeah, thank you. If we could Chuck get uh Mr. Freeman up here. I think

hearing from hearing Yes, please. If if we could hear from him topic tonight might be able to clear up a lot of the questions that we have the last slide referring to. So this um I guess probably to start with well first an intro I'm Freeman. I'm the stormwater administrator for Chattam Park which is defined in the master plan as sort of a liazison between Chattam Park and town staff and developer uh applicants. So I do review all the plans that come in. do a triage, make sure they're sufficient and at least pass the first FAR before they go to tap staff for review and make sure that uh we've done a check to make sure they meet all the master plan requirements and there's some other larger watershed scale analysis that I have to do to make sure that any particular development within the scale of a larger watershed area still meets the commitment that's in the master plan. So I'll jump around a little bit, but to go to your question and I think it was it is technical and but it was it's well introduced by Chuck and town staff that um there there can be two different things. We can have standards in here and on this summary chart you'll see things referred to as say a 10-year storm. Now, that's a probability as a in based on historical data, a one in a 10% chance of happening any given year of rainfall of that kind. And and what we saw last earlier this month was above a thousand-year storm. So, again, Chuck saying, you know, no one would design to that is that is that is an outlier storm. Um, now I also won't deny that climate change is happening and we're seeing a lot of more storms that we

would call outliers happening whether they're in this area or in Texas or California or a hurricane or what have you. So, um, I don't have a discussion on how we start talking about those types of storms right now. But the other part is the town standards. The town standards will say design a covert so that it can pass a 10-year storm with certain frequencies. So if we work under the assumption that that standard does not change because there are some state limitations on what the town can do and what standards they can put on it, we go back to the probability. So that probability continues to change over time and certainly a storm like Shantel will start pushing that probability higher. So 30 years ago, we may have designed a a covert for 5 in of rainfall. And today, that same 10-year design storm updated after 30 years of climate data may now be 5.3 in of rainfall or 5.5 inches of rainfall. So that number can change even though the probability sort of stays the same. So does that give a little bit more clarity on I guess if we design and get something approved today it would be based on today's rainfall curves and probabilities 20 years from now as this development continues we would use the data 20 years from now to design that and form that so the same analysis may end up with two different results if you look at it over time. So just to clarify what you're saying is that these standards are separate from the elements.

A a particular standard like a covert sizing is is separate from the element in that like your your 10ear storm standard is going to continue to progress over 30 years that they will have to meet. That's correct. Okay. I think not defined and locked in in the element. We're not based on a number. It's based on the what the what the 10 year the 10 year the 10ear cool is there any consideration with the interaction between a brand new development with the new numbers and stuff and interaction with a 30 or 40 50 year old antiquated system where the interaction interplay is and stuff.

Um it's a it's a good question if I understand it correctly. If we were doing a flood analysis for a creek and I'll just say Robus and Creek because it's everyone familiar with the geographics of it. Um if I did that today we'd use obviously today's rainfall to project what we think future development and and current zoning would have on that. 20 years from now we'll have the advantage of knowing a little bit more specifics of what actually was built there. And those are easier to to lock down and refine. So that model could be different 20 years from now. Not just because of the rainfall depths, but because of the the familiarity and the certainty of the land use that's been that's been built within that wershed

or maybe outside that wershed or like within um you know how it influences existing um um structures you know and areas that are so the analysis I won't say there'll be I would say an engineering standard would be that the analysis would be different 20 years from now. Um, can I tell you exactly how different it would be? No, I I can't. But it would be dependent on a few different variables like the technology that's available. Certainly, we have better software today than we did 25 years ago when I started my storm water management.

I guess my question was like when you're developing an area and stuff, how much of the consideration is what are the current standards, what are the needs and stuff and what is the technology that we have right now? um verse or in addition to like how does this affect neighboring areas, right, that have maybe antiquated not access to the technology and stuff or that has been in place for quite a while. Yeah. So, let me I guess take a little different tact on my response.

Sure. Whether we're in Chattam Park or greater Pittsboro or the ETJ, uh any watershed analysis right now should u look at a development's potential impact on those downstream. um general engineering standard although I don't know if it's codified in Pittsburgh or not would be to take that analysis to where that development project is less than 10% of the overall drainage area and at that point it's again a standard of care there are case by case scenarios we'd go to a much longer downstream issue um there are uh the city of Raleigh for instance has an an additional requirement if there's a known documented structural flooding case downstream of a project, we have to at least take it there. It's a request from staff and that's part of their ordinance. Um, so there are case by case, but general industry standard would be to say if I have a 10acre development, we at least bring that wershed analysis point down to where 100 acres are dragging into that wershed. So

industry stand. Y that's great. Exactly.

All right. So now go back if we could go back one slide uh to talk a little bit about this small area plan. I guess I'll jump ahead of of Robbie and um and talk about this, but uh as Chuck mentioned, this is not a change to the master shore water element. Um so we're inheriting or or or continuing many of the same policies and practices and commitments that we made in the original master plan. Um the the storm water analysis differs from the sections that you'll hear about later in that we follow the natural watershed boundaries. We don't follow a planning district or a zoning line or a road network. Um all of the stormware analysis is based off of the natural topography that's out there. Now, we've taken an initial shot at at subdividing these uh these wersheds because the master plan requires the Chattam Park meet certain standards on a subwaterhed scale generally. And I'll use the north village as an example. Uh we like to keep those under 100 acres in size. So, if we end up with a very large subwaterhed and I should back up one second. uh a subwaterershed is defined we we originally start with where a stream leaves Chattam Park's property and then we define the wershed upstream of that and that becomes our watershed analysis point. So there are some areas in North Village um that drain to the Hall River and upstream of a certain point where water's leaving Channel Parks property, we might have had 200 acres originally. As development comes into there, we send chop that up. So, it's a smaller, more manageable size, but also more representative size because what we don't want to have is a situation where if we started with 200 acres and we're only developing five acres, we may be able to maintain our our watershed school, which is a commitment in the master plan without

really having to do anything. And that's not the point. We want every site that's developed in Jennifer Park to to bear some weight of meeting these overall watershed goals. Um, we do have an exceptional scoring system. Um, that's just what it's called, not using that adjective, but the exceptional design scoring system. And and what that does is is prioritizes preservation of existing critical natural resources. So that's our streams, our buffers, our flood planes, uh, our steep slopes, uh, and our tree coverage. Um, so impacts to those ding Chattam Park the most on that score. um the more we can protect those the better off we are. And then we look at the development plans and we analyze how much impervious cover and then how much flood protection, how much water quality improvement are done by the measures we're building. And all of those come together to generate a score that we're held to a minimum. So we're applying those same standards to the South Village small area plan. Um again these areas maybe may be further debied up to have smaller more manageable spots to do that. Um but we feel like that storm water management approach has worked well thus far in the 10 years that we've been building. Um we as Chuck mentioned the the devices that are built and completed did fare relatively well. Obviously we have some small maintenance issues to to manage after a rainfall of that size. that would be fully expected and is being handled. Um, but we didn't have any major issues. So, we we feel like the comprehensive nature of our requirements and that scoring system are holding up pretty well to both the changes in development and changes in land use as well as the changes in the climate and the rainfall. Uh, I think I'm open to to questions. I would happy I can come back after if there more storm water questions but uh if there are questions about the specific stormwater standards again that's that's all handled by the

stormwater master.

I have a question about um when the storm water places are put in during the development. Someone had brought up that there was a bunch of um land cleared and when do those go in to help manage runoff? So uh yes when when the when development initially begins obviously the when you see the clearing and that at that stage we've generally got erosion control devices in those are uh reviewed and approved by Chattam County and held to the Chattam County erosion control standards. Uh now each development will be a slightly different timeline but at some point those are converted into the permanent stormware devices or generally we try to use the same area of the site for both because it's where water's going naturally and it just means we're not moving dirt as often. Um so they will evolve over the over time. generally we'll get the volume of storage we need and then it's really late in the construction process that they're fully converted and put into the uh full permanent storm water control scenario. So um on the summary sheet that you have in front of you uh when you see things like the flood control standard and the water quality standard those are the permanent long-term uh device requirements. So those standards uh would generally uh be finalized late in the process. But during erosion control, there is also a precontinuation or flood control standard that is slightly different than than that. Robbie, do you I don't know the exact requirement for

so the 25ear swarm for for a disturbed site is held and detained uh for erosion control purposes. So there's a there's a point at which those are converted over but it's generally we don't certify those until just prior to issuance certificates of occupancy or a final close out of a project but there are there are measures I want to stress there are measures in place throughout construction it's not as though we go from nothing to final in the very last step and when you say devices could you just give some examples of these of the devices

yeah um so the storm water control measures which um are either detention ponds. Uh we build in Chattam Park. We got a number of detention ponds. We've got a number of storm water wetlands which are also a basin but with more wetland vegetation in it. Um we use a lot of bio retention cells which are a a small bowl of storage at the top level but then about 3 ft of sand engineered sand media that that the water filters through before being discharged. Um and oftentimes those have an internal water storage again to try to mimic the infiltration prop properties of the natural soil. Those are the three most frequent ones we use. We do have some rainwater harvesting systems. We do have some underground storage and we have some permeable paper that has been put in. And would you say and I understand that this varies from project to project but from so from the from cutting from the clear cut to having a a temporary device in place how what kind of timeline is that typically

the devices the first phase of those devices should be in place before the ends that's part of our control sequence I guess pass it back to Dr. passing back. Oh yeah, if you want to go to the last slide just to give you a quick summary.

Um, so this is a a comparison table of on the the left hand column are the master plan commitments. Um, and then the the I say old town of Pittsburgh ordinance, which is the one that was in effect at the time of master plan approval. Um, and then a the new or current UDO requirement. And then the three on the right are watershed protection standards or the Jordan Lake rules. Many much of that has been suspended by the general assembly, but we still follow the the nitrogen motive. So um we just wanted to put this together as a quick comparison. Um and uh you know we we feel like we did set a very strong standard. Um the town has brought their ordinances up to meet uh the Chattan Park standard um since the UDO adoption which we're happy to have seen. Um but we still exceed this town and state standards for especially on buffers on flood protection. U again the town brought their standard up but that far exceeds the state's requirements for flood protection uh and things like development in the flood plane and uh you know that's fairly consistent. Although I will say that our scoring system uh further penalizes developers for trying to encroach on the flood flood line. So it's a further deterrent although they're the town stand pretty strict uh and deterring development in the flood plane. So that's uh that's just a quick summary of that.

Thank you. Got a quick question for you. Is there anything you do in the storm water or waste water um storm water u to over time that would be you stated that you'd have more information over time to make a better decision about future projects? Is there something that you're doing now that would be somehow hindered by not doing it now as far as your planning or the entirety of the small area plan is reported?

No, I mean from the stormwater standards because we're looking at a watershed wide uh the size of the small area plan assuming we we take the master plan elements and apply them to that would not be uh affected by the size of the small airplane.

Thank you. And when Marie Tra, I want to uh correct or update Robbie reminded me that we have amended the open space element. Uh as one other one and then we've also should have should have known this at the town's request. We revised the affordable housing element. So both both of those and landscape I think are the three that have been revised already because issues came later as issues come up that's what we talk about now to talk about the roadways Kim

Good evening fluitt with Kim Horn Associates um I can get into as much detail as y'all want I thought I'd just go over the high level process first for the small area plan like I do small area plan. Normally when Santa of Pittsburgh has a transportation plan but is last developed in I believe 2011 so it's getting a little old. Normally this is something municipalities do are developing a transportation plan. It's very unusual that a developer would be doing this, but it's unusual because we have such a large development. So, it moves us to plan ahead and develop and establish the size of these roadways well in advance so that we're not painting ourselves into a corner and find that this road doesn't accommodate the development traffic this part of town in the future. Channel Park has been very consistent about being forward thinking about that. It's the same process we went through with the north village, sizing the roadways in the north village and making sure they're going to accommodate the development that's planned for long term. So that's exactly what we've done here. The way we do that is a travel demand model for the town of Pittsburgh that was developed. There was an original one when the transportation plan was developed that was updated when NC do the traffic forecasts for Chattam Parkway. So we use that same model. It's a gravity model. You put in the projected land uses and model figures out who where everybody's going to go back and forth and you which roadways they're going to use. That's how we determine we're going to have this volume on this roadway. So it needs to be four lanes versus two lanes. So that's what we did for this part of town, updating the land uses based on the projections for the small area plan to establish how wide do these roadways

need to be in the future to accommodate this development traffic and the traffic throughout town of Pittsburgh. Having said that, we we know how big or at least we think we know how big these roads are going to be. We're trying to do our best, but that doesn't mean we're done. For each development, each piece of the south village that comes in that's going to generate each individual piece that will generate more than 100 PO trips or a thousand daily trips. We have to do a traffic impact analysis that in coordination with the town and NC DOT that gets reviewed by the town and NC DOT to fine-tune and look at specific intersections that are going to be impacted. So the small area plan just really looks at with the roadways. When we come in and do a traffic study, they're going to have to build it. They're going to build those roadways out. We're going to look at do we need turn lanes? How long do those turn lanes need to be? And make sure that the roadways that are in place can still accommodate the development traffic. If we have way shorted it on this and Eubanks Road needs to be four lanes the whole way, then Eubanks is going to need to get wide into four lanes the whole way. We're trying to get out ahead of that and that's what the purpose of the small area plan is. So, I'm going to pause there and see if there any specific questions.

Um, all is this and what has changed um since you guys first started looking at it? Where were you on or off, if you will, with your prediction? Um well so we did the model for the north village which is currently building out and only time will tell how close we were but this the la the the last version of this was done last year. Okay.

So it's pretty up to date with what the land uses that are involved. And so we we did the modeling for this updated it. That model is currently being reviewed by the town and CD dot. We received some comments back from the town's consultant and we're going through those and we'll be addressing those, coordinating with them to make sure that we've got all the eyes dotted and te's crossed. Yes. None of the roads in the north village are really open yet, right? So, it's time to tell, right? Or most of them,

right? Yeah. Chen Park's going to be Chenn Park Way is going to be the big game changer. It's safe to say that you're constantly looking at traffic patterns based on future development regardless of time and updating your traffic analysis and then working with the DOT to get approvals in the town. That's right. Yeah. So, we've been doing traffic studies for pieces of North Village for the past 5 to 10 years and continue to do that as development comes in. Has it changed a lot in between? Not really. Uh not our projections. Is that what you mean? Yes. like from how y'all projected it two years ago to what to present.

Well, South Village is a big change, but for North Village itself, it hasn't changed that much. I mean, I think we've been pretty close. Okay. Yeah. So, I mean, we try to aim little on the high side and so that the actual volumes are less than that, but we do our best with the best information we got. Okay. Is there like a margin that you guys aim high for? I'm just curious. Well, I mean, I don't want to be double and builds that are a lot wider than they need to be. That's going to lead to speeding. It's going to be ahead in the wrong direction. But we

we do our best to go. question is um the argument for this large size small area plan is that um you need to plan out these transportation systems. However, I feel like the north village was done in smaller sections and still you were able to look at transportation. Is that true or

yes and no? There were a couple of pieces like along 15501 that were done separately first and then but then as the rest of North Village particularly along Chattam Parkway came in that was all done together as part of the north village small area plan. I don't know how that acreage compares to this but it was still very large and so all of that along the eastern part along Shadow Park Way is done as part of a north village small area plan. So a very large plan similar to this with the roadway network identified and the roadway widths identified. We've been doing traffic studies for the smaller pieces separate of that and traffic impact analyses TAS we call those that are taking a more specific look at the roadway network right around those developments. But the whole north village was planned out as part of the northern village area plan as well. So you would need this large area to be under one approval to be able to begin building the roads. Is that the

That's right. At least the major roadways this skeleton of the roadway system. And there are obviously going to be other roads throughout the development that come in and and help with this. But to size those larger roads appropriately. I mean Channel is doing things contrary to how most developers do it. They're building the roadways first and then coming in with development. Normally the roads come in toward the end or don't get widened till toward the very end of the project. And so that's what we're trying to get out ahead of. And if this were all if this were a dozen smaller developers, they would all be trying to pass the buck onto somebody else. And like we're not we don't want to write widen that road. that should be developer X's problem or developer Y's problem and trying to get out of improvements. They're doing all of this in advance so that they can know what they need to do to accommodate their development. It's very it's very unusual in in my line of work and but it's a good thing from a transportation standpoint. So a question a follow on question to that two-part the the master use plan and section one development phasing plan called for as noted several times 27 SAPs it also called for uh sequential development based on the number of each section from two to six I think if why now would we need to have a large SAP if that was already proposed and agreed to previously and why wouldn't Chattam Park be able to simply plan if it has all this property and can plan the traffic to do the roads the right width or the right distance without having to do one large plan.

I haven't been involved in all of that so I'm not sure I quite follow the question. Do you know what he's talking about? Can you do it in parts?

Yeah. I'm not understanding the need uh the need to get away from the current MUP and the um section around development phasing for one large plan when it was agreed to that way knowing that the traffic patterns were going to be a certain way. The the the main arteries were going to be a certain way and then why couldn't you still do? So that's one part of it, right? Why why have we agreed to this before with a sequential phasing of small area plans whether it be phased or individual SAPs? Why wouldn't you still be able to handle the correct traffic plan regardless?

Shot at this. Can we pull up? Is there one that has the section number on it? Is that correct? Just a transportation park. Go back one slide. Wasn't sure if I maybe one more. There we go. All right. So, if we were doing

Let me take a shot at this. So if we were developing section say 2.1 and nothing else and we we we'd do a traffic study for section 2.1 and we would identify what width the roads need to be and where we need to lanes and what roadway network we need to serve that development and then section 4.2 comes in and we do the same thing there. It's just going to be a bunch of peace meal stuff. And we may run into a situation where when we get to down to like 2.4 down South Village Way, a 3.4, 3.5, 3.6, we may need to re that South Village Way up at section 4.2 needs to be a sixlane roadway, but there's development right up on the road and it's been built as a four-lane roadway and now we can't widen it. Isn't that more Doesn't that give more credence to what James is asking though? Like why do it all right away when there might be changes or there might be issues? Like why not do it incrementally with like a phased approach so that you can have that you know adaptability and prudence.

That's how that's where the TAS come in. I mean we still have that this is the best of both worlds. We're we're planning ahead with the best information we've got. I mean, this doesn't guarantee anything in terms of transportation approvals other than we need to build these roadways to these widths. We're still going to have to come back and do traffic studies for individual developments just like you're saying that say, okay, we built this network. Is it going to work for this development? And if not, what else do we need to do to fix it to make it better and make it accommodate the traffic? I guess my point and that's a good point because the traffic studies uh would help there and if you had more time you could if you were to change something later on but I guess the point is like this map I mean I know a lot of people have said that it's changed but it hasn't changed a lot here since 2015 it already had a plan in place for small area plans and a phased approach to an addendum I don't see what's changed to drive a need to do a large SAP when you already have everything you need to know to do those larger streets and therefore you should do them anyway based on a phased approach.

Okay. So another another reason to do small area plan is when you do the transportation plan like the current transportation plan is drawn with very fat markers on a on a blank piece of paper. My wife does transportation plans so I can criticize her work. She's not here to defend herself. Um, they don't identify streams. They don't identify topo. Like unless you can see it from space, they're not going to factor it in. So the small area plan is getting into a much more granular level of detail. Like in the north village for example, we went through and identified and eliminated something like a dozen stream crossings because we tweaked the road alignments to go with the topo avoid stream crossings, reduce stream crossings. We eliminated some roads from the plan to avoid stream crossings and just make it a better plan while still providing the connectivity and access and roadway uh capacity that's needed to serve the development. So that's another reason to do it on a larger scale so that you don't back into like 2.1 we may build a road that's we follow the current transportation plan like we eliminated the section of Eubanks road to the north and we've eliminated we turned Charlie Brooks road to go off to stay on shadow property it where it was going through property owned by other people who said they didn't want the road going through their property so we've turned it and taken it off their property getting part of the planning process. I don't know if I'm answering your question, but

I think I don't feel like I am, but No, no, I just I just feel like there's nothing that the phased approach doesn't offer any detriment. It only we've heard from the storm water guy. It actually improves the situation because they can make more recent historic changes. you can make better changes to your small plans. And frankly, I see either two or four lanes. I don't see I don't in my simple mind, it's either two or four lanes. You going to put four lanes in or you going to put two in? How hard is it to pick? Right. So, the arterial lanes probably aren't going to change from, I don't know, unless you got some six or eight lanes planned, possibly.

Try not to. I mean the locations are they going to change over time based on you know so I just don't see an argument to reduce the SAP down to one plan and I only see benefits have a phase approach as approved previously and in the MUP and the addendum right that's kind of what I'm thinking

the only thing I'll say is so th this roadway network on this plan is has some pretty significant differences from the currently approved town transportation plan. So, if they were going to go in and build, I think like section 2.1, they would have to put the Charlie Brooks roadway where it's shown on the current transportation plan and it's going to tee into property that doesn't want that road going through it and may never connect anything. So I think my response to your comment is we're we're trying to do both and this may change over time. There have been changes to North Village Malaria Plan over the years and so just because we're getting this in place now doesn't mean it can't change doesn't mean it won't change but we're trying to do our best to plan ahead to accommodate the development. I guess I guess that's a well question which is let's say it changes or let's say there's a need for change the the town of Pittsboro the the population of the people who live here won't have any input in that right because it had already been approved in some way through the small area plan

no it was it would still have to go back through yeah all the changes that have been the changes to the north small area plan have to be approved by council any change any plan is going to still have to come because what we're talking about is the public roadway network. Now, if they want to change a private road through the development, that doesn't need to go through. But if they if they want to change the alignment of Eubanks Road as shown on this plan, let's say this gets approved, if they want to change that alignment, at least significantly, you know, not like 20 ft here or there, it needs to go back through town council still. Okay.

And can you change can you like improve the alignment of the roads, but not one massive plan? I mean say like the line of the road stays the same regardless if it's one small area plan or multiples area plans. Does that make I think I think we're getting at what we're trying to to get here as far as just the information about what roads what we're looking at as far as traffic and roads. Um, if we could try to keep on the uh far keeping it to safety and welfare. The question was why is it

and that's fair. Why is it so big roadway? Um if we if we have nothing else for traffic I think we're moving on to but you mentioned public safety and that's a yeah no absolutely

u so when you talk about the individualized traffic studies is that where you start looking at the interface between the roadways and the greenways and where pedestrians will be crossing how we're going to incorporate systems to keep people safe. Yes, really on a much more detailed level. There are still greenways and sidewalks instead of develop and all the street sections have bike multi-use paths or bike lanes and sidewalks identified. But when you get down to individual intersections about where are people going to cross, how are they going to cross? That type of thing. How are the bikes going to interface with the roadway? That happens yes at the more at the site plan level when we do our TAS. Okay.

Thank you.

Thank you. Let me put a cap on one point that was brought up with your question. Um, if we were you can't see the as Tra said the 2011 transportation plan shows a road heading north over the over the top of the Huitt's Pottery Barn. It's not shown there anymore. Why is it not shown anymore? asking what but the reason it's not shown is we tried to take our model and see if this road network work without that road we didn't know if it was going to lead to say Chattam Park we need to be six lanes you asked seems like every road is two or four lanes why don't we just design everything to four lanes and then you got room for every road in the future if you haven't if you don't know we have to give Travis and Kimley Horn the land use quantities for all those sections of dwelling units and square footage in order to size the roads. So if he's just looking at a piece of it, he doesn't have all that other data to be able to adequately size the road or to know whether we can move that road that's on the thoroughfare plan and the and the rest of the lanes and the rest of the development can accommodate that. So I think that's an important reason for going beyond just one area. you don't get that you don't get that complete data needed to be able to look at that may not still win the day on that question but I know for us it's been important to after again you guys weren't here some of you were for the Northwoods conversation when why is the why is Chattam Parkway going to the Northwoods neighborhood of moving it over here and there so we didn't want to be dealing with that again we tried to be working with the neighbors to look at how do we can we move this road And it took looking at the model through

the through the number of houses we would have by the year 2045 to know that the roads would be large enough. But but at the same time, they wouldn't be too large. I mean, again, when you're trying to have more and pedestrian connectivity, you don't want every road to be as too wide. So, we would love it if every road was a two-lane road, but but that just can't carry all the traffic. So, Um the next speaker we have we've got two speakers related to looking at the utilities again from a larger standpoint. First we've got Vixar who's the assistant city manager in Sanford. Um then with Tri Ro who's since Sanford and Tri Ro took over the utility system for his birth as well as other parts of Chattam County. He's going to be speaking to that and I want to be clear he is not speaking on behalf of Chattam Park. He's not speaking in support of the small area plan. He's he's here purely to talk about a more regional look at utilities. And then following that, West Hutchkins with McKim and Creed is going to talk about more specifically the look at utilities within the South Village.

Yeah, I'm Victor Zar, city manager with the city of Sanford and we have merged utilities with the town of Pittsburgh about a year ago. Um, so we're relatively new to this based on all the chronology that everybody else has talked about, but I was asked to come here to describe how we would look at water wastewater utility planning and uh it it it really piggybacks a lot with what Travis and Hunter said from an engineering perspective. Um, you need to look at something uh basinwide for storm water or um sewer so that you can make the best decision you can with the best information you have at the time that you're making the decision to help not make decisions that have to be redone at some point in the future. Okay. Uh for Travis that's looking at all the origin and destination stuff for traffic that might be going through Chadam Park that's not necessarily generated park. Uh for Hunter that that's it's a basin thing which is everything downhill of where the water falls when it rains, right? You got you got a ridge everywhere. When water falls in there, it all runs down through one point and runs away. The sewer system works the same way. We run by gravity. It's inexpensive and very reliable. So, we like to use it wherever we can, but those basin lines do not line up with property lines. Typically, they typically don't line up with county lines. They typically don't line up with anything other than the basin itself. It's outside of some uh of those jurisdictions and it's inside some of those juris overall high level perspective so that you don't have to redo stuff. It is expensive, right? It takes a lot of time and somebody has to pay. And what you

really don't want is to have a sewer system that you install tomorrow based on a smaller scope so that somebody in the future is going to have to pay for redoing something that could have been avoided up front that could be more on the back of the developers than the rateayers. So that's what we're trying to do. We're trying to look at it from a high level. Uh and some of it honestly in Western Canada will probably go beyond the boundaries of Chadam Park because my guess is some of these basins go beyond Chattam Park. So we need to consider the whole basin, not just what is within Chattam Park. So from an engineering perspective, the myself and Travis and Hunter really have some very similar things. you know, the boundaries of the property lines or the boundaries of the area plan, whether it's small or large, um, whatever you want to call it, they need to be looked at from an overall high level perspective so that you can minimize your bad choices. That's what we try to do and that's how we do it um, everywhere that that we're a utility provider. If somebody wants to develop something, they have the best information available. I think this goes to the question that we were asked earlier. Why do you need to look at this large area? Honestly, because that's the best information you have at the time you're looking at. Is it going to change over time? It could, but that's the information you've got. So, you ought to take that into account as you're making those decisions. So, that's what we try to do when we're doing utility planning. Uh, and that will take us beyond the boundaries of whatever you have up there because it's governed by mother nature and that's how we're going to look at it. So, I don't know if I can help you with any other questions or whatever. glad to try to if there's anything I can help you with. But again, last myself and the last two guys are engineers. We want to we we live in our own world and we try to do things only once. Um

constructing projects messy. You know that you don't really like going back and redoing things. Um they you know they're just difficult. We like to avoid it at all costs. Go ahead try to answer anything else. I have a question. Yeah. In terms of um capacity,

um and maybe it's just my lack of understanding of how this works, but in terms of capacity um for the town of Pittsburgh, let I don't know is the is it like uh you have 100 I'm just using very random easy for my math um numbers, but 100 um 100 gallons of wastewater capacity today and then you plan out from there in terms of this development. Is am I so far so good? Okay. So then in in terms of this development approving this small area plan, what would what would that take in terms of the the percentage of capacity the town of Pittsburgh has? If that if I hope that makes sense based on your projections and based on what the agreement was between Sanford and Pittsburgh and and all the things. Yeah, your question is very logical and um but it's got a layered answer.

Sorry guys. I'm just curious. I just don't understand it. Sometimes I wonder if I do. So I'm aware of that with you. Um there is a limited amount of wastewater treatment capacity. Okay. Um so there there's two parts to a wastewater system. There's the collection system and then there's the treatment system. Um the collection system as it will be installed will be installed so that it can deal with everything in that basic. Okay. Um now when certain subisions or certain houses want to be built or whatever it is, they'll they'll come by with a permit and get that amount

for that house permitted. Okay. So again, just make it up now. Um maybe the basin says that we need a 24 in pipe. We put in the 24 inch pipe right more person put in. Uh but we may not actually have the treatment capacity that exists to service everything that's going to be at 20 pipe today because we know we're working on increasing our treatment capacity. So it's it's it's not just how much is available today. This is a iterative process. Okay.

Uh most of this waste water is going to go to a wastewater treatment plant today that has 12 million gallons day capacity. Um there's roughly 4 and a half million gallons a day going through it. Um, when we first started talking about servicing Pittsboro for wastewater, it looked different than it does now because now we're merged and now it's all one unit. So, there is some language in the agreement that that we will um look at your projections, meaning Pittsburgh's projections, ours at the same time, the same way that they are looked at currently in the city of Sanford. So, it's much like some of the storm water conversation you were having earlier. It'll change over time.

Okay. So, I don't mean to dodge your question, but but it's a it's a it's a process that that will evolve over time with the idea of trying to match everybody's needs. Yep.

Because it's not just Pittsboro or there's port Chadam County and there's there's Lee County and there's a city of Sanford. There's a lot of things going on there. Um, but all that's baked into the game and and we know we need more treatment capacity in that where it currently we're not. We just recently awarded a project that can transmit 7 million gallons a day of waste water from Pittsburgh to to the city of Sanford on an average day. Um, I can tell you right now that I do not have 7 million gallons of wastewater treatment to give to the town of Pittsburgh. Got it.

We're working on it because we do believe that the potential exists for growth in Pittsburgh to be um significant, you know, and you certainly will have a role in that in deciding how that goes. But our goal is that to at least understand it and try to be ready for it so that it's not angry if it's something you want to do. Thank you very much. Go ahead.

I have a question. So, it sounds like all of your calculations are based on the basin, which is not based on a map of roads or streets or county lines or anything. The basin is not going to change with with a small area plan or 27 small area plans. So, so why do you what difference does that make? You're going to be using the same basin.

To me, the difference is it's the best information possible at the time that you're doing it as to help avoid redoing something if you can do it. That that's the best answer I can give you. If if you've got a broader scope and a bigger look and you have certain criteria that you have in those subbasins, that's important. Um, and trying to draw a a an area plan that matches the basin line is probably impractical um because it's just it doesn't match anything that people typically think of, right? I think that's the answer I can give you. At least from our perspective, I think that that's the best answer I can give you. We'd like to have the best information possible when we do it. Uh it'll just eliminates some of the unknowns.

Uh one nice thing about utilities, and I don't want to trivialize this, but you do have the advantage of uh being able to add to those as circumstances dictate. So let's just say that the water mane coming from Sanford up to Pittsboro here let's just say what 18 in I don't know what you're yeah that at some point in time if you find out that that's inadequate then if it's just cost justified you can lay a parallel pipeline right same way with your sewer uh wastewater treatment those plants are designed to be additive in sections or you can build an auxiliary plant somewhere.

Yeah. So, you're not It's not like we're dealing with roadways or things like that. It's you do have more flexibility. I see it. Very similar to roadways. I think it was, you know, earlier it was suggested you want to build the right side road, right side of road. You don't want too big

because it's just extra pavement that you don't need and extra costs that you incur that you really don't need, but you don't want too small, right? You want to deliver a certain level of service. And that's the same thing with the utilities. You know, we want to look at it in a way that we don't have to come back and parallel it later because it's expensive, takes a lot of time, and it's very disruptive. So, so we try not to um but you're correct, you know, at some point in the future, but a 24inch line needs to be paralleled by another 24inch line. Um, but that may not be just because of Chattam Park. You know, if you have other things or city, right?

If you have other things that are happening, that needs to be taken into account. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

Hello. My name is Wes Hutchkins. I am a registered professional engineer in North Carolina uh with 10 years of experience in direct water wastewater utility experience. And so I'm going to talk more specifics about how we have addressed water and wastewater planning within Chattan Park. So I'll be able to give a little bit more context to your question about the impact between the different basin sizes. So if you could um skip forward a few slides so we can look at the sewer basins Lamar that way. Um so I can look at the pretty map. Um what we have discussed ties very well into the storm water discussion that was u led by Hunter as well as the roadway network. What you're seeing on the screen right now, the thick black lines represent the delineated sewer basins within Chattam Park. What you'll notice is that they're incredibly similar to the storm water basins that were generated by McAdams when they're looking at the storm water plant. Um, just as Vic alluded to, water wants to flow downhill, whether it is wastewater or whether it is um storm water. So, when we're looking at master plan development, we are trying to think about how can that basin be served through one pipe, through one pump station, whatever it needs to be. Um, for those who are not a as up to date on on water and sewer infrastructure, water moves downhill through gravity pipes or when it gets to a low spot, it goes into a pump station and you pump it through something called a force man. That's essentially pressurized sewer that allows it to to move to wherever it needs to go. Um, so when you're looking at Chattam Park, one thing that you'll notice is we have basins that span multiple sections. Um, if you look at the map really quickly, um, section 2.2, for example, in the in the um, master plan is served by three different stations. it falls within three different areas. So if we were to look at the infrastructure needed for section 2.2, we would as a separate small area plan, we would have to look at three individual sewer basins, three individual pump stations that also have upstream infrastructure that ties to it in the future. And so if we if we begin by just looking at individual sections, we don't align to the sewer basins as Vic alluded to or the storm water basins

or the roadway networks as were previously shared. Um, the other thing that that is interesting about the wastewater process, um, specifically, you either have to get into a treatment plant, as Vic alluded to, or you have to pump it somewhere else. Both of those locations for the large scale capacity within the town of Pittsburgh are both on the same site. They're at the existing town of Pittsburgh's treatment plant. It has 750,000 gallons of current capacity. um the Sanford Regional Force main pump station which is the pink line that's shown on the left hand side of this picture is taking that raw sewage from that location to Sanford upwards of you know 7 MGB as as Vic alluded to. The problem is we have to get it to that point to either be treated or to be pumped to Sanford to be treated by the Big Buffalo treatment facility within Chadam Park. The sewer flow, as you look at the topography, all falls from west to east instead of going back towards town, from east to west. And so, as we have these natural sewer basins down toward the park and 3 point section 3.7 on the far right hand side of the map, the sewer is going in the wrong direction naturally. And so, we have to be able to plan for how to take that sewer from the farthest point away from the development and get it back to where it needs to be either treated or sent to Sanford to be treated by their treatment facility. Um, so to do that, you could look at individual pipes on a section bysection basis and say for 2.1, for example, section 2.1, maybe that needs to be a 12-in pipe. But if we put in a 12-in gravity pipe, and we don't think about anything to the southeast of the system, well, then where are we going to take that sewer? How are we going to get that sewer that drains to a low spot near Jordan Lake and try to pump it all the way back to the town of Pittsburgh's treatment plant? One option is to parallel a pipe as you mentioned to but then you're trying to put an act you're trying to install a pipe next to an active sewer pipe that has sewer flowing through it. So there's some inherent challenges with that. The other piece, if you consider it, would be, you know, a 20,000 foot force main instead of being able to upsize the gravity sewer

inside section 2.1 to start with and put in a 24in pipe that can handle the flow from 2.1, but also the flow from the future southeast sections, areas outside of Chattam Park, things of that sort that can all go through the same straw, if you will, uh, and go to a pump station that could be swapped out with pumps in the future to be able to to provide that incremental increase. we won't be able to design or choose that that needs to be a 24-in pipe without looking at the entire sewer flow within the the overall area within Chattam Park. So, if we look at things on an individual section bysection basis, we're going to end up having a bunch of 8in pipes or a bunch of 12-in pipes that ultimately are going to be undersized to meet the needs both inside Chattam Park and outside Chattam Park. if Tri River chooses to tie a future force main that is outside of Chattam Park into one of these gravity sewers that falls within the same basin. Um so we try to think about things from the big side and work our way backwards. The other component that was talked about is is you could parallel the pipe in the future. Um but these all of these different pieces of infrastructure become municipal owned at the end of construction. They become a tri river asset. Um and so installing parallel pipes, installing future parallel pipes and congested corridors increases the overall maintenance cost on the municipality to hold and the municipality to carry moving forward. And that ends up going back to the rateayers uh within the town of Pittsboro, within Tri River and the overall expanded Tri River service area. So we don't think about that now. We end up um hamstringing ourselves from being able to put the right size pipe in um to ultimately carry that burden to someone else in the future. So, we try to think about things from both a current design standpoint, but also an operation and maintenance standpoint to make sure that we're alleviating the long-term capital cost for this infrastructure after it's put into place. Um, another great example is this orange area here or kind of a pink area. This could be a proposed golf course community. that that

individual community currently spans a few different sections and spans three different sewer bases um that are also served by larger areas outside of that community. And so if we do not begin by thinking about that long-term plan, we're unable to make sure those downstream pipes are big enough to ultimately get that flow to the town of Pis treatment plant and then beyond. Um the other piece I'm sure a lot of people in Pitboro can attest that there's a lot of utilities going in the ground. If you're going down any major roadway, you probably see multiple fiber lines, gas mans, and other infrastructure being installed in roadways. We like to put pressurized sewer in roadways. I want to be able to follow a nice path up the hill wherever I need to go to get it to the next spot. The more infrastructure that gets added, the more congested corridors that get added, the more utilities that we end up having to relocate, move, or maintain service, we're trying to parallel future pipes in in uh in the future. So, if we can avoid that concern, use the the uh essentially the same corridor that we're planning for now that doesn't have all the utilities that we added in the future in it, we're able to alleviate some costs. A good example of this is along Monure Pittsboro Road. Um so, if you look at the far southern edge of Chattam Park within Moner Pittsboro Road, that is a pump station. The red line is a force main that is 10,000 ft of a force main that is being installed or will be installed in an existing NC DOT road. There are four different fiber lines that already exist in that road. There's a future 36-inch water man from Tri River to provide water to Pittsboro. Um, and then there's a couple other electric lines and other things that already exist within that road. So, we're already having a hard time finding a place to put one pipe in. And if we have to think about putting a second pipe in the future, the road runs out of room very quickly. Um, so that's just another example of how thinking about the sewer on the long-term perspective allows us to alleviate those future congested corridors and utility conflicts that will end up running. Um, similarly to the North Village small

area plan, I just want to bring this up. The North Village small area plan accounts for all of the sewer through multiple pump stations to flow through one pipe that ultimately ends up at the Chattam Park Water Recovery Center. It's essentially the same process. We looked at the entire basin to figure out how big that one pipe needed to be. And so right now that pipe is a 24in pipe and there might be 75,000 gallons a day of water flowing through it. It was designed to handle upwards of 5 million gallons of water. But we have to be able to put it in one time so we can handle the future flow without having to farewell. Um any questions on the sanitary sewer side? I have a different slide we can talk through on the water side but questions on the sewer side

just one and and it's you said after the development then the the sewer line is turned over to the municipality in this case tri river and is that like after complete development of this entire small area plan or or per section or how does that work? It's per project. Oh per project.

Yes ma'am. So, after a one-year warranty period, um there within the engineering public utilities, there's something called substantial certification. That is where we submit an engineering seal that says this this project was installed with local regable to local regulations, state permits, everything else installed directly as designed. That gets submitted to the state. Um substantially complete means that it is ready to be put into service. You can open up a manhole and let water flow through it. um you can turn a valve and let a water man, you know, activate. Um at that point in time, it becomes the responsibility of Tri River to operate that facility, but there is a one-year warranty period from the the date of substantial completion until it is truly a town of Pittsburgh or Tri River utility um Tri River utility asset.

At that point, the end of the warranty period is over. We get a formal acceptance letter and it becomes municipal infrastructure but it is done on a project by project basis. Thank you. Yes ma'am. Other questions for Stuart?

Okay you go one more slide. Uh this is a skeletonized network of the proposed potable water system within Shatter Park. Um, I'll try to keep this brief, but when you're thinking about the water perspective, the best way to think about this is your circulatory system in your body. The water treatment plant that generates water is the heart of your system. As it is pumped out through the system, it goes through major arteries. These are your major transmission lines within your within your utility plan. In this case, represented by the dark blue lines. Uh, and then it goes into your, you know, capillaries and blood vessels and everything else that works its way out. Those are your distribution veins. So when we are thinking about how to design a water system, we have to take that into account. Where is our source point? And so for our case, the source point is along 15501 at the town's existing water treatment plant or this cyan line on the south southern side that represents the 36inch pipe coming from Sanford with potable water. We have to think about where it's coming from. How do we get it to the next piece and then slowly work our way out into the development. If we thought about this from a section bysection basis, we might put in a 6-in pipe because that gives us appropriate fire flow and pressure for that particular section of the development. But when we start adding additional pipes on the next to it, that really needed to be a 12 in to be able to provide future fire flow protection, future pressure requirements as dictated by the state further out on the edges of the development. So, we have to think about things for how the transmission main infrastructure will be sized to pull that water through the rest of the development to be able to provide fire protection to help people's houses. And again, you want people to be able to turn the water on and have the appropriate pressure to do what they need to do. Um, the second piece on the water side is we have three elevated storage tanks shown within South Village of Chattam Park. Um, storing water above the ground is what gives you the pressure within your water. Again, it flows by gravity. the higher you you push it up, the further the more pressure it gives you on the way down.

Um, so when we're thinking about where those tanks have to be, it's based off the overall service area. It's based off the pressure zones that are within the town's existing system. Um, and if we don't consider the entire system, we might not put a tank in that's the right size. So if we put in a half million gallon tank because it meets the needs of these four sections or these individual section by sections and maybe that need to be a 2 million gallon elevated water storage tank that becomes a much bigger problem to have to parallel in the future. Um so we also have to think about where do we sack those tanks, how big do those tanks need to be and then how do we get water to those tanks. Uh so being able to get that water through those transmission infrastructure into those different tank sites is also important. Um and then several again to to Tri River's point um these tanks might serve areas outside of Chattan Park. So we have to make sure that we're taking into account the needs of Chadam Park and the small area plan but also coordinating with Tri River to see if this tank needs to be a 3 million gallon tank to serve additional areas within the pressure zone that can be served by that tank. Um so we had to take all of that into account at the start because we have to begin with the end in mind to make sure that we're able to pull that water as needed through the system. Um, one thing to consider if there's questions, you know, this is obviously conceptual in nature. This is pretty lines on a map. Um, we will be submitting, you know, full master plan engineering documents to Tri River and coordinate with them to make sure that they buy off on any plan that we submit. Um, we will be, you know, following typical engineering standard of care and standard of practice to be able to do that. Um, and we'll continually work with them on making sure that what's inside of this plan matches the vision that they have for the utility of that one as well.

Thank you. Uh, parks and greenways.

Okay. You have me for this one? All right.

Um, we've been looking at public facilities of which parks are a part of in the same way. Um, we've been probably spending more time on this with the town over the last 8 months looking at the overall park system and the and the approach. It started by looking at their uh, you know, there's a recreation master plan that exists. The town produced four years ago, maybe something like that. Um, and then it was looking at parks all over town. the need to do that. So they they can as development comes in they can see what needs to happen where um there were in that plan there were five locations for parks shown in the south village. Uh since then I think Roses and Wall came in and provided a 70 acre park along creek that serves the purpose of what was called the Rosen Creek Community Park. So that le that leaves four parks in Chhattam Park from that plan. Um with two of those being community parks, two being uh neighborhood parks with looking at the entire area of the town, we've got now we have eight more parks and shown on the master plan total of 12. Um, and a lot of that was able to occur because in the south far southeast that uh just on the other side of Gun Springs Road was a 240 acre site that was shown as a large park site for the town. They chose to reduce that by half, leaving a 130 acre site and taking that the other 110 120 acres into the rest of Ch the South Village to look at making certain parks larger, adding certain parks in this location that haven't

necessarily been served. And so it became by looking at it that we we would not have been able to look at that section by section and come up to that determination to particularly to say let's pull acreage from this park. that hadn't even been approved yet to then pull it into where we need it um uh sooner. This also allows the town to make a decision on which parks they would like to build sooner because the 50acre park that we're showing uh as in section 2.1 that's a little bit towards the center of the project. It would not have been the first area be dedicated, but it allows it to be dedicated sooner because that's probably going to be where the major sports complex is going to be because of its size of more soccer and baseball, I believe. But that's just one example that the um this is an area where we've committed to meet with the town as as neighborhoods come in as areas even at a more granular level in a section make sure the parks are in the right lo specifically the right locations the right sizes and serving the the right particular needs um as we go through that same thing with the um with the greenway system. Now, after having those park locations, we're then able to to lo we've got 30 mi of greenway, 20 of those being in the south, excuse me, and then 22 additional miles of multi-use trail. Um, that that are shown on this drawing, which you'll see when you really get into it. The pink lines are the multi-use trail, the green lines are the greenways, and there's connectivity to all the parks and then also to the neighborhoods. So th this enables us to look more comprehensively at the system rather than on a small area by area. Um finally I'm going to say one more thing about uh land use because this is a situation we are confronted with pretty regularly. Um, in in the case of Pittsburgh, if a if a

grocery store or a medical office building or a Starbucks comes into town looking to find a location for their business, the town can look at a at a zoning map looking at look at look at sewer capacity, things like that. And here are the areas available to you. At that point, they could immediately begin generating their development plans to move towards construction and Chattam Park that and that is allowed anywhere in town other than this 5,000 acres. We can't we can't do somebody and we've already we're already talked we've had recent meetings with grocery stores for example looking for their ne for the next sites beyond the lows. Um, one is most likely going to be in the north village, but they're already looking in the south because they plan out that far and looking for those locations. Um, if if they when when Chattam Parkway is in, those non-residential sections are going to be up and down that corer. If they chose that as a as a next location, we would have to come back in to get a small area plan approved before they could even entertain the idea of of beginning construction drawing. So, this enables us, particularly when we're looking at larger customers like the golf coursework community, um we're able to not have to, okay, well, let's we're going to now wait 9 months and we're going to go get the smaller airplane approved and come back and talk to you about whether this can be allowed here or not. So, that's that's a common occurrence for us weekly basis anyway of dealing with those kind of customers. Um the last thing that I would like to do is address the point of um only a couple of points. One is the lack of future oversight. I think again people are looking at this as if the small area plan is zoning and it's not. Zoning already exists. It's already got the rules for storing. It's got all the things for the whole project

already established. Um, I've gone through my own calculations of the the number of plans that we would be generating in the south village, the number of site plans and subdivision plans. Looking at all the required reviews and approvals and town board reviews, reviews and recommendations from you guys, uh, erosion control inspections and approvals. at every at any one of those steps it can be stopped and say something is not right here and let's get this correct whether we're looking at elements or whether we're looking at other things there's about 900 future touches in the south village when you look at that so to say that we're giving it all away when the smaller airplanes prove is not simply not the case um the last thing to address quickly is the climate action planning compon opponent. There have been a lot of statements and through the fellow speaks out meetings, portions of the meetings about commending the town for their climate action plan. The town doesn't have a climate action plan. They've started the planning to to produce a climate action plan. Um, and so what I've done, I'm going to pass this out to you, is take a look at what we have already done from climate action standpoint. So what I've done is go through the scope of what the uh resolution the town adopt on what they wanted to say in a climate action check for the town of Pittsburgh. And you'll see what I've done in this doc in this particular document is take those five different scope items that were included in the resolution and shown what we have already done to this point

not something we plan to do in the future under each of those items. So energy efficiency and I'm going to just I won't go through all of this but just because I think a lot of the comments that we get from the climate action committee are people that live in Solar City and people that live in other places and don't don't really know what's going on here. um even if they don't agree with it, at least some of these things are going off here with with each home we're building. Each each home we have a under the energy efficiency and conservation measures. Each home is built to a to a we had a a conserv energy company give us a program that all of our houses are built to those standards that reduces the energy uh in the day-to-day life of the living in the home. We have a rating system for all those houses. We have electric car charging hookups in every garage. We have a solar farm that meets the needs, the energy needs for over 700 homes. It's already that's been in place since the beginning of the project. We talked about our water recovery center that generates 300,000 gallons per day of reuse water. It's just not a typical sewer system that this water is used over and over. the 3M site in Pittsburgh uses that water that the town has a contract with them to have water for them to use in the in their business. We all of our parking uh standards when the within the parking element have car charging requirements. We have native people talking about wanting us to use native plants. That's a requirement that we use native plants in our landscape. this this there's nothing in the UDO about using pollinator plant material. We treat that very seriously because um it if you understand the need for pollinators uh we have a world shortage in food.

Part of that's because we're losing our pollinator population. So we reestablish pollinator vegetation in all of our landscapes as as a requirement. That's led to us and you may have uh seen we we've harvest honey now with our own beehives and to use that honey as primarily gifts but it's a reflection of what we're doing with the pollinators and how important we think that is to um to the climate impacts that we have. Um we also require warm season grasses. You can't plant fest use because they all of these things mean you're using less water in the landscape. We're in the process and of developing of creating a developer's guide to sustainable development primarily trying to a lot of our carbon impacts come from the use of concrete. So trying to reduce the the use of concrete in our projects. Um there are other things that uh the next thing on the air burners too. Air burners are used in the clearing process as opposed to right now when you clear a piece of property because there's no landfill here to take a construction waste. It's uh trucked I think for the most part up towards Virginia. So you're using fuel for these trucks to take the materials been cleared driving it up that far. With the air burners, you can rec have a controlled burn within a box on site that uh doesn't is carbon zero in terms of all the carbon impact that would be going on. And you're producing a char of that that goes back into the landscape. That's where a lot of the carbon exists that is a add amendment to the soil that's good for grow plant growth. um the use of on-site rock. Much of the embedded carbon that we have is already

in already in rock as opposed to creating concrete that then is a with a cement that's in the concrete causes a lot of the carbon cases increases the carbon footprint. So using on-site rock and retaining walls and different things like that reduces our carbon footprint. The next item is the expansion of renewable energy sources. already mentioned the solar farm. The YMCA, if you're not familiar with this part of it, they use geothermal tubes on a site that in the winter takes warmer air from the ground to get into the heating and air system, making it more efficient. In the summer, it takes cooler air from the ground, putting it in that system. So, it's less more energy efficient, less energy uh cost and energy consumption. implementation of sustainable transportation options. A big part of the town's plan. Uh we already as I we talked about the 30 miles of 10ft pave public greenway 2 miles of multi-use path and then four miles of dedicated bike lanes. We've gotten away from dedicated bike lanes. Some of you this was not this was back when the recre the town's recreation plan was being generated. They found that 70 about 70% I think is the number of the public does not feel comfortable riding in a bike lane on a street. They want to be beside the street. They want to be off the street. So that was when everybody started going the direction we needed to be providing more facilities uh that are not within the curb for example.

Um increased use of environmentally friendly products. I've talked about the air burners, talked about the native rock and talked about harvesting honey from our beehives. Um and then finally, sustainable land use practices. There's been a good bit of uh number of comments about greater densities going up with development and not out. So the land use plan started back at in the creation of the of the land use plan where most of the density is along the major river base closer to the town rather than out towards the river and the lake. Um, also enhances the ability to provide transit opportunities. Back to the sustainable transportation options, uh, greater density, again, less sprawl. If you just follow the typical what's going on with the county, you're going to have larger lots. There's no there's no public utilities. So, yeah, there's more trees, but there's also more more sprawling, more people driving to get to those locations back and forth to businesses and stores. Uh we've got an affordable housing requirement. We're the first one. The town's now been looking at that for other developments as well. I don't think everyone has had to do that just based on some other uh contribution to public services that they've been providing. And we talked about the water recovery center which is water conservation. Uh talk about what we are doing in our landscapes. Uh one thing people mentioned about uh we have a requirement that our street we have a a planting area between the sidewalk and the curb that allows street trees to be planted there getting more shade on the streets reducing the heat island effect of the streets. So m mitigating much of the heat impact of the of building roadways um green infrastructure. Hunter talked about constructed wetlands. We do we we have a number of other things besides rain gardens. We have tree wells if you've seen those where we are actually

treating the the storm water from the streets with with those that is not an individual site developers requirements. Um our comprehensive storm water as he talked about is more resilient from a long from the from a long-term perspective in terms of looking at clients. uh an important part of what we do, I don't think he brought this up so much, but we have additional uh open space requirements adjacent to the streams. And so there's buffers. We've created another 50 ft of open space adjacent to the stream. So that's one of the most important parts of water quality is having that extra land area that you're not developing next to the repairarian buffer. So it's a wider repairarian buffer, if you will. Um, these need wider buffers and also create wildlife corridors for wildlife to navigate back and forth through projects. Um, we talked about the greenways and bikeways. Uh, we've talked previously, but haven't talked much about it, but we do have tree preservation and restoration requirements. Um, the town doesn't have those yet. I imagine they will at some point for other development, but talking about things changing, but I imagine the UDO will ultimately adopt that, but it doesn't have that now. We're the only one doing that in town. And then as I said all the aster you see there you can see these are also enhancing biodiversity important part of reacting to climate change and uh I said any any I know I've spent a lot of time here um but I appreciate your patience and being willing to hear this. We just felt like it would be important for you to just consider some of these things as you once you get the document, you're really looking into detail, you understand a little bit about the background of where where it all came about.

So, thank you, Chuck. We appreciate you guys being here. Thank you. Thanks so much. Present. Um, I hope that everyone at this point um whether whether you agree with it or not, you have a better understanding of what's being proposed. And I think I'm walking away with a better understanding myself. So, I just hope everybody else is able to walk away with that. Um, yes, absolutely.

So, staff has been taking notes on all the questions asked. Um, we'll include a Q&A in our presentation when we bring that back to you. If you have any additional questions now that you have an better understanding of what Park is proposing, feel free to reach out to me anytime. Um, you can email me the questions and we'll include that those in the Q&A as well. Thank you, Teresa. Thank you. All right, we'll go to our planning department updates. Mr. Randy Kuningle, do you have anything for us? Not much.

I was just going to say that next month is my belief. Hey, good evening. Anyway, it's my belief that we will be bringing the first phase of reef farm to you as a major subdivision. Also, we have a couple of uh conditional resignings uh that are not related at all to tonight's project. So, we're super excited about a future in every single way and I do appreciate you all's patience. Obviously, we'll be back with this next month or soon. It's probably the answer. But any questions for me or that's got it. I don't have anything. Anybody else?

Thank you, Randy. Uh, anybody have anything for the board comment period? Uh, I think um I I just wanted to to say to to the people that just left, thank you for your comments. your your concerns are are valid and compelling and your input is valuable to us, so keep it up. Absolutely. Thank you, Connie. Anyone else? All right. Um, I'll take a motion to adjourn. Move. Moved by Alan Wilson. Do I have a second? Second.

Second by it. 30. Uh, all in favor to adjourn say I. I'm sorry. I wish.