Planning Board - Regular Meeting

so since s's not here Sand's not coming FR said yeah well he's too late we're going to we're going to put John in as a voting member tonight congratulations John all right our first Project tonight that we're going to review is the Delaware River solar so if folks want to come up that'd be great out a couple of these just for reference for everybody I [Music] don't um it's nice to see you everybody thanks for having us again today um we had a couple of open items from the last time we met what I just handed out was an aerial of uh the area based on what we talked about last time with some of the Landscaping um we've proposed Landscaping in the darker red areas along the fields at the lower end uh there's a question that Mason had sent to me about putting more vegetation further uh to the east but there already is a lot of vegetation there so we did not add any to the Landscaping plan in those areas um we have added a bunch of Landscaping on the southern portion of those fields I was a little bit unclear um whether or not that was Landscaping that needed to be put in now or if that should be put in if there is development to the South my opinion this should be put in

now um board members you have thoughts on on that I believe that idea was that it would be put in now in with the idea that there could be development okay we want to make sure the note on the plan transfers that it should all be put in at this time okay yeah it just gives us more mature plantings sure on that Willow hatch how high is that going to get I couldn't I didn't know the willow hedge has a max he I want to say of 6 feet 6 feet you didn't see that and how high are the the solar panels how how high the solar panels are 15 ft High that's the back end right the high the highest point when they're at highest rotation y so at highest rotation there'll be 15 ft High um the trees that we're going to put in are going to start at 6 ft 6 to 8 F feet somewhere in that range and then they grow approximately 2 ft a year so in the next couple of years they'll be higher than the solar panels um you know they grow pretty rapidly we plant them about 10 ft apart because if we plant them too close together then they die out and kyoga Landscaping um we did send over all of their proposals for maintenance what they do what they're planting and whatnot um Mas I'm not sure I think that got to the board right the Landscaping stuff it should have I don't know if costed but I don't think they would necessar stuff um the Kyo Landscaping has to see what the soils are and the um the Landscaping over there to see if anything else needs to be added to make sure that they do survive so and that's part of the Landscaping Bond and what we're working with the town board

on you know what could could have been helpful for us I think maybe it I can see it as well as the public it's on that North Line to blow that up and to kind of show exactly what you're what we're doing so in other words the B there's the boundary line then there's a what 20 foot easement is that cor there's a water line e in there yeah 20 ft it's not going to be disturbed or be mowed and then you're going to have a line of spruce is correct mhm within a 20t wide strip is that what you said yeah they'll they'll be planted all along there and 10 ft apart yep okay and then then there's a gap between them and that Willow hedge what what's the idea behind that and how how much is that how far is that the will henge needs room to also live let me see if there's any detail here real quick whe head just going to be close to the fence we got a big why is this a big gap in here what's the ideal so the willow Edge is going to be 2 feet on Center in a double row Space 3 ft apart okay mol what sheet are you on just uh this is 502 502 thank you mhm it's the note uh on the bottom right next to the willow hedge is to the left of the willow hedge again and so there was not going to there's not going to be a burm then any raised ground or what they won't know if there's going to be a burm yet because they have to go out and kuga Landscaping is going to look to see if they need to

add more dirt in that area to make the tree survive or not so if if there's adequate soil there won't be a burn but if there's it this Bedrock is shallow the dirt is shallow Bedrock the idea is that they'll bring in dirt and to build it up so the tree survives the idea y that has to happen there's um 3 to 5 ft before we get to bedrock in certain areas on the on the pl so we need to make sure that we have adequate for all the plants to grow any questions yeah there was a question about a a trail on the North side is that right correct so the trail committee has met with um the uh True Green who is looking to purchase this solar field that we've talked about before right now they're talking about putting it along with the town 20 that 20 foot easement where the town has the water line and then dragging it along the north side of the property line where it meets the right of way um it is the the trail map I had did also send around and it's c503 if you have it in front of you um there's a red line that shows the trail location on the north end now that will have to be surveyed and we'll have to actually put it on the uh lot line map so how how wide uh easement did the trail committee want on that you know I believe they wanted at least 20 I'm sorry there you are uh they saying 20 ft with a 30t work Zone correct yeah so the 20 and then the town season is already 20 ft so it's just essentially the to it's essentially the town bement uh in the waterline area and then the to the east where we have the long area the long um in the

wetlands there that'll be as North as we can get it to the property line but again there's a lot of uh wetlands in there and whatnot so we really have to see if the trail needs to maneuver just a little bit outside of where the solar field is going to be we don't want to have to cut down any bigger trees that are in there that's what I was going to say so the trees that are in that ease so-called easement you're going to leave we've talked about uh manipulating the trail uh when the surveyors go out there and that as long as it doesn't interfere where the solar field is projected to be then we want to just make sure that that trail easement is in a location that works for the trail okay yeah but at the same time protecting the neighbors to the the north too correct correct mhm yep Molly we'll go all the way to the Eastern side of the proposed y the owners have a RightWay through the adjacent property all the way out to the road of of Hill Crest that they will uh Warr back through goes all the way out to war they um uh the tri committee said they're not ready to actually connect it and do all of these things yet but the True Green and John um uh what's the name of our owner yeah he will actually be able you know they're all everybody's in agreement we all had a meeting together and whatnot so it'll eventually that it does need to be surveyed and put on the map so where does the trail fit in with the with the the two lines of buffers in if you're looking on where all the residential houses are it'll be in between the two lines of buffers down here it'll just be in the Wetland area I just put it up on the screen too the red Dash

is the trail so I believe this it's going to be all Willow and then this is a second pranking as well and I just have one question comment concern um about the BM I totally get the point of you know if there's not enough soil Bedrock sure you add some to bring it but also maybe we want to consider a BM to add a little bit of height regardless of the depth the Bedrock so in certain instances you know you could build yourself a planting burn that would add maybe 2 and 1/2 or 4 ft of soil and then plant your trees in that and you have your 8ft trees sitting on top of 4 feet gives you a little bit more screen how how high are those trees initially initially you said they're only going to be like six feet yeah and then and then how high will they get uh they'll continue to grow to 20 ft I mean they they'll get pretty big they'll get pretty big I think in the big wide open field there especially with the water Willows they'll probably pretty big and it's not a straight line that you're going to if you they they do a little bit of a stagger yeah um you know kind of a little bit and here's a sorry here I could see the see it looked like the Staggering of the willow area but I couldn't see that there was one for the for the the trees yeah that's on the top that talked about that okay I missed it as needed for thank you so Mason are you asking the board whether we feel we should just do a earth GM no matter what is yeah and consider ation of maybe providing a little bit more screening for the folks that live to the neighborhood to the north there I think the cost of that you know that would be a pretty

insignificant cost I don't know if you go 4T that might be a little bit more than if you got you know 2 and 1/2 ft of soil but that cost would be pretty insignificant and that might provide a little bit more screening just something to consider with that North edge of the property and the screening and the proposed Trail was there discussion about access for neighborhood resence to that side of the trail it's still being developed through the trail committee they're not sure um yet it's not a trail yet yeah yeah not sure how that access is going to be that we had the same questions where there will be parking how are people getting to it you know because we don't want to disrupt the end of you know the two communities are there in having these open areas for them that'll all have to be designed with the town and the triail committee and whatnot love to see about the BMS in Access I think you could pretty easily work that into if you build a BM there Willows are pretty resilient well the north side there are the PES that the Willows are next to the the fence I think the would be inther sure okay 20 foot okay I think odds are you will have a twoot BM along that line to begin with 4 foot might be a little bit aggressive um just a way of keeping that BM together quite frankly but um a twoot BM I mean we could put that in there or or as needed when we couldn't get in the ground or certain visual locations if there was openings in the trees I I think it's a good idea just to have that two foot across all the way it would help the neighbors to the north a little bit right we're talking about right in the area of the development that's all it would just help the neighbors to the north and screening what what do you agree you think it's a good idea minimum to perir that way if they need to have more

they can M because that'll be up to you yeah sure it's all of the wir probably yeah we can make that Amendment that's I don't see any issue okay board any other concerns or questions here I had a question about um this area that's called potential vet um and that's pretty much covers a big chunk of uh pH look at the five or the three there is a wetland on the south parcel looks like a lot of it is on what you're calling potential Wetland um how wet is that is that W around so that's a potential Wetland that we're working with the armor Corp of Engineers on um that portion of the project has H posts that go in but they go in at certain times of the year or have to be put in when there's mud mats and whatnot we don't do any root stumps take out there everything is just cutting we can only affect a quarter acre of the property of the Wetlands with under the Nationwide permit so there's specific construction details in the storm water plan on how we have to actually construct that area and um we've submitted to the town all the Army Corps of Engineers and we have to get a nationwide permit for that and the actual construction is sort of water dependent is that right and how wet it is there and if it's real wet you wouldn't be able to uh construct during that period correct we have so if it's really wet

they construct during the winter months when the ground is Frozen um if it's not that wet they might go in and use mud mats but they have to be very careful because they can't disturb more area and go in there and just take everything down they have to be very specific about the rose where they're putting the H Post in how much of the land they're disturbing and you know the whole permit process with the Army Corp M so the Army Corp has jurisdiction over this potential we correct okay mhm yep they actually visited the site we've had site walks with them they're they're well involved y I got Mason has the fire department looked at the road and they've approved because there looks like there's some sharp angles and they're okay with it uh so I actually just forwarded the comments this morning to them um and I think they're are you going so the two uh Melissa has the the plan over here um there's no issues uh with this is the upper development and there's no issues with putting in the turnarounds that the fire department asked for and or the building inspector the problem is the other side um we had changed everything to 26t wide roads because that's what it requires for the L the road we added a couple of hammerheads in there yeah the way that the um I'm actually this one I apolog on the upper one the uh fire department asked us to actually go kitty corner here and we can't do that we have to come across because we have to be able to access this array so there is a snake that comes through here that's still that's still going to have an S turn but all of the S turns all of the turn rooms all

the hammerheads meet the fire department requirements for backup turnaround okay they gave us the specific size of the fire trucks and um everything is 26 ft wide as far as the uh the roadways so we'll still work with um the building inspector and the fire department to make sure I know we sent Mr Russell the new plans yesterday so um I think we're at the end of trying to put all of that together but we added quite a few quite a few turnarounds here and we talked about that being ploud in the winter time if there's heavy snow you know I haven't had an opportunity to look at uh the resolutions that Mason put together I'm not sure what you put for snow plow in there we had recommended language oh no um I want to say that I mean obviously there's an inch of snow I don't think you need to get out there follow it but if it's heavy snow I think it need to be removed what do you you guys think it's got to be accessible usually it's like I don't know they set like an inch limit 3 in it has to get PL 5 in it has to get PL Bebe 4 in would be reasonable 3 or 4 in yeah whatever it is something is that maybe also work with the building inspector on that or or I thought we wrote something about snow ping but I guess maybe we didn't either [Music] and you're still working on a community host agreement you g we met with uh supervisor last week and um we were working on I think we're pretty close to what the price will be and they had

asked for specific finan like specific terms of when the down payments would be so they're going through with making those Arrangements on the decommissioning plan um we'll have to go to the town board to do the final agreements for the Landscaping Bond the um Landscaping Bond the decommissioning bond the decommissioning bond and the um post benefit agreement and you don't need to go to the Ida because you're going to be Bas it's going to go the assessment rule correct y yep so you see the gate detailed I was just looking for where the gate is showing up on the plan it's all very very small [Music] so Mas where are we at on this acoss the board so I may you guys can give your site plan approval if you're ready for it and then I went through and drafted up a resolution with a bunch of conditions we should probably read through it and discuss it because I really wasn't sure they had their lawyers uh provide us with a resolution so I kind of just I followed our template what standardly what it usually looks like the standard template and then I just kind of added what I thought we needed to condition and then some of the things that they included in there so I think we should probably at least read through the conditions and make sure everybody's all good with everything Dean are you good with do yeah

yeah we should go ahead with that tonight Dean if one question go ahead John um with the resolution Sor sming yeah y That's All Right call M that's okay um the upper and lower which one's Lancing one which one's Lancing two North is Lancing one North Ling so on the Lancing 2 property in the resolution um item three just regard are you looking at the town's resolution yes okay sorry I haven't looked at all right if you haven't looked at so I guess for the lower portion laning two um this proposal to the board for for your consideration um just to specify for the easement it's currently reads uh the town of laning must receive dedicated easement for all Trail lands completed by all parties involved the town Youngs Lancing one prior to the issue of building permits I just want to make sure because the plans don't specify going all the way to the Eastern property um it should say something that uh dedicate easements for trail lands going to parcel number 44-1 d5.4 I can repeat that me I got it right here parcel number 441-54 it's currently under Justin Kimble but it's best to reference the partial number than the land owner but just CU your plans don't show that L going out currently um I think it' be we can dial down in and make it more specific that's yeah just to say that it will continue all way the Eastern side would be great thank you Molly can you point out to me because I see the some details on the the fencing and the gate but I'm looking at um Lancing one c102 which is kind of the biggest most blown up here I think that I can find showing the entrance and I don't see a note here on where the gate is going to

be located the gate is right at the beginning um there is they just it has those oh it's way in here okay yeah the gate okay and so I'm assuming KN box KNX box is right there where the gate is located and again we'll meet with the fire department to go over those speciic that makes sense cuz that's where the the fence goes through thank you Mason you want to read through the shirt uh do you want me to conditions yep I just conditions all right so the first one I wrote um the commissioning plan is to be reviewed and approved by the town's engineering Consultants uh and a decommission bond is to be set and secured prior to the issuance of any Bill same reasonable and is that Bond reassessed like every 3 years or five years I don't know the specifics of that I want to say that their assurity company specifies all that and their Bond contract and then we'll have guy review it and work out all those details would you like to see it re-evaluate everything I would assume it probably does if that's like a standard it's a long-term agreement yeah curious as to how often it's reassess we've done every five years before in the past it has a 2% escalator on it so we can reevaluate it in 5 years to see if that's adequate in one way or the other so we can add that language if you want since it's Dem is not you want to say approv by sure that way if you have kind of the

engineer says they think it's okay and the town board has a question you have this it approve no I think that's smart Okay so say commission cl to be reviewed and approve by Commission be set in Secure uh reevaluated every 5 years and approved by the town court okay all right condition two Town Lancing must receive a raised seal final plat uh to certify and complete the lot line adjustment related to this project prior to the Assurance so we just need once you figure out the easement stuff and get that all figured out in survey we just need the three final copies so we can put our sticker on them and Cy um with a condition to that it says that the trail Lance must um okay the Town of laning must receive dedicated easement for the trail L completed by all parties involved prior to the issuance of a building Pro and we will add the note about the partial numbers and extending to the Eastern side the only thing I would ask Mason on that one is to add just language that as long as it doesn't interfere with the solar field it shouldn't but I just don't want somebody to come in and say that can run the trail through the silver field that's all okay all right just for everyone's safety on that and what what is your timeline for construction uh they won't construct this one uh maybe this winter early spring of next year uh condition four the town must receive a landscaping bond in the amount of 9,910 which was the quote I don't

believe including the BM so we'll have to get that updated to reflect the twoot burm um and then condition five ties to that planting plants must be reides to include planting burm which minimum 2T High correct minimum 2T High only only on the North side and only in the portion between the neighborhoods there the stormy view your Hill right um and there to provide us with a technical detail of the construction of the BM as well as the plantings associated [Music] with uh the completion of a host Community agreement between both projects New York laning 1 and two in the town of Lancing must be completed prior to the issuance of building permit project site plans must be amended to meet prior Code Compliance and deemed compliant by the town plans and code enforcement officer prior to the issuance of building permits and then this one I wasn't sure about i' have to follow up with somebody at TG Miller but I believe at some point in the process they mentioned that we had to get an owner operator agreement I don't know if that's what you guys already filled out in the developers agreement or if there's another one that we have to do we have an operation and maintenance plan um that the town that TG Miller should review and then approve and then that's what the owner should maintain to and that should have the snow clearing M item should be in that snow clearing and we said 3 to 4 in or more it must be black um condition number nine the completion of any withstanding requirements from

engineering I know that PG Miller had sent a couple comments back on I believe it was the yeah they had a couple issues with the Swip and a few other things so I believe I they were just Hydro CS that we needed to do yep yep so just make sure those get squared away and I think I sent Usman the comment so if he needs anything just let me know what you should have thank you yeah yeah um I think that's it that's all I got Mason aren't we aren't we changing the boundary lines the parcel lines don't we need some verbiage in here about approving the subdivision that is that so that would be condition number two town of planting must receive a raised seal final plat certified complete the lot line adjustment related to this project oh okay thank you once they get that square way that should be all good okay thanks that was so how the lot line adjustments work is if it's more than an acre you guys look at it give it your approval but ultimately we sign off on it in house there so can't recort any other questions on this resolution do I hear a motion to move the resolution mules Tom and John Tom yes John yes L yes Christine yes Danielle yes John MRA yes Dean yes was that for both land one and two or yeah so I made all of the conditions same in both resolutions I typed up two resolutions two different projects and then I just changed Project Specific

like tax yeah I mean they'll follow the same inage so I think that we technically have to have recording the other it's probably good idea way there's no question somebody want to move that resol second Tom yes John Dy yes Al yes Christine yes Danielle yes John yes yes the only thing I would say Mas with the other one the burm probably wouldn't be appropriate yes good point okay I'll take that out there um or I'll just put a note in specifies that it's only applicable to L okay it is you want me to sign those I certific yes please very much thank filling out the DAT for you for the sorry

sorry I'll on back out and make sure you weren't kidding about that I was not kidding thank you everyone for the review We Appreciate um this project I think it went really well it'll be a good one thank you you good luck good luck thank you all right the rink the rink is next you're up come on up and introduce yourselves please [Music] Jerry pel from the penel companies I'm sorry what Jerry pel from the pend companies Jerry so you're not you're not the zambon operator or you no no we're just um asked the contract to build a 30X 40 pole structure and put the news zambon in they have purchased an electric one and unfortunately there has to be heeded environment in order to charge the batteries up mhm and um so they're looking to put a structure up in which they can do [Music] that joh question for why is there no

Seeker required just uh because it is a type two action which is the addition of an accessory structure being under 4,000 cuz the size of it that's the size of it yes than so the DC like predetermines a list of things that they have already established that don't completely annihilate the environment and it's based off like for this specific example of the size okay cuz it's a smaller building cuz it's below the 4,000 foot yes and good for us on the back of the building probably not going to be seen by the public right proba be right there exactly they do have an elevation here it's not going to be that tall it's what 16 ft to the eaves and it's got a yes A pretty low pitch roof on it basically one Overhead Door an entry door right now when they work on the u z Bronies have to do it in the r with it's cold and even the ones that are gas driven is an issue for them you're under your electric will be underground yes what is the the driveway back there is asphalt yes it is so you have to cut cut the asphalt or run around it um no I don't believe so the new structure will be on be beyond the new asphalt and the electrical line will be around the back side of that [Music] seems pretty straightforward yeah pretty easy any any questions for I'm curious as to how much an electric sandon cost much

250,000 yeah will the driver dress up Does this allow enough access for fire trucks back in this area electric things have the tendency to to burn burn and not and not go out has that been reviewed at all I don't I didn't specifically review it but they're they're not altering any driveway and the driveway there is at least 26 ft wide between the edge and pavement and the building probably because there's a chiller sticking out from the back back here I'm just curious if so I think they knows right in in between the building I don't know if they necessarily all the way back ground but know right in and then drag those to it or if they have one is shoes shoot back into it no they I mean if you guys are concerned I can by all means have Scott take a peek at it I just asking the question no yeah so what do you need from us just to an okay that you don't need a vot or anything right uh do you want to hold a public heing for it so you have the option to if you think it's necessary yeah I don't see any consensus for a public hearing I don't see any need for I think you just grant them s plan approval okay so do we need to take a roll or anything show hands all favor approve say hi well so you'll have to do the roll call I didn't type a resolution up cuz I wasn't sure if we were going to require a public hearing for this or not so just just your I don't know how you do it so he moving a resolution andris Tom yes John duy yes Al yes

Christine yes Danielle yes John yes D yes than thank you okay just dress up all right let's see project C sper Lane 25 SP Lane come on up thank you all right we got a minor subdivision here are you Joseph yes yes sir okay you want to tell us about your project I'm basically trying to subdivide the one lot believe it used to two lots back in the 80s and they divide they combined it to the tax purpos simplify thing so I'm just trying to divide it into two start building my house it has more than enough Frontage is actually enough Frontage there for three lots but I just wanted to just divide them into two Mason I thought we needed 40,000 sare ft w i don't believe so I think you give me a second here is there uh where water line there yes that's probably why cuz it's got no I think it's it's because we has water is that the idea we don't need I live in the area to and they're all half acre lot some smaller okay I just so I'm not asking for anything out Place yeah no I just thought 40,000 this was the rural this was divided before you said and then Consolidated and now you just want to split it out where I just split it just

I basically split it in half huh was this Rika yes yeah so yeah those those lots down Lancing Heights Drive some of those are pretty small sorry very small especially Corner LS just curious what's a square footage on minimum minimum requires 20,000 square foot per 12 unit so in R2 there's three different options depending on how many houses you place since he's only placing one we go with section A there 20,000 either with or without water M I believe he I think that's right around a half an acre and I believe 3/4 I believe check all boxes and schedule our public hearing yes we'll schedule a public hearing next month yep okay we need to go through the uh we can either do the secer now or we can do that next month too i' almost prefer to wait till next month when we have the that way somebody bring something up we can kind of just do them both at the same time okay why don't we just quickly review the part one and make sure there's no questions or concerns with part one I think I gave it a look over and completed so it does say 3B physically disturb one acre but you're not doing anything yet we're just doing the site plan and I'm building a house right now there's a house built there right now oh there is oh okay there's actually one being it's built right now on partial a on the

map so we don't have to be worried about St water R off or anything like that because it's just subdividing minor minor subdivision a certain size threshold and I believe when you built the house and got all the building permits for that Scott they would have checked for Sil fence and things like that when they issue as well okay any other questions at this point or should we move on and we revisit next month so set for tonight public sir yes sir thank you see you next one okay conon Corners 113 Power Road so we pretty well honed in here on the proposal at this point made an adjustment to to move the three Parcels to the roadway can line up there yes there's been a few changes since our our preliminary or our sketch plan um where we had four slightly smaller Lots uh in the past and we've kind of rethought things and uh the 2 acre ground disturbance threshold was going to be a very inconvenient thing for the people that build b or build houses on those four

Lots so We Shrunk it down to three lots and uh think it's going to be a much better option for everybody involved um I believe that's the only real change to the plan was uh we turn four Lots into three and shifted it farther to the north so that it above but the the neighbor on the corner and and it would be a minor subdivision now with a major so and then what are we doing on storm water on this again we're not it was still a basic Swip we're staying under the 2 acre uh disturbance threshold so there's no permanent practices required but we submitted a basic Swip with erosion controls TJ Mill already reviewed that Swip and gave us four comments that we'll address before the next meeting add a little s fence increase some of the c sizes lot line adjustments all taken care of there to the to to the West I don't think it has been yet I haven't I haven't done any applications uh um I I wasn't sure if I was going to be stepping out of line by doing that with planning department rather than the planning board uh but I'm right we're good to go Mason right on the staff level with could go yeah I think my only concern would be if you guys still have any comments about it nothing I think you'll just have to fill out an application online for the lot line adjustment and okay so I should do that separately and then we can get your rock and rolling okay so you'll have to have a survey somebody have to produce like an actual survey but yeah that I'm okay with it anybody else have any questions John thank these folks for considering trails that certainly properties it's that's great we love seeing the trails around a big deal yeah I'm sorry John yeah that was

actually my comment to I I'm just being a little slow where does it show it on the plans that proposed for the trail it's the Southwest if you look at c122 all right thank you guys thank you I just wasn't see clear fantastic thank you so looks like we need to get scheduled for public hearing please uh public hearing and then we have to do the procedure do that next month as well y okay anything else from the board see you next one thank you oh yeah yeah just a reminder at the end we'll be bringing all this paperwork back next week or next month uh let's see we are up to 2073 East Shore Drive the old IG building [Music] Andy's got a TW her right back to back can stay up here can you introduce yourself please hi I'm Claudia brener I'm an architect on this project Andy sharaba sharaba engineering uh Josh spling is the owner of 2073 Shore Drive fortunately he's out with a flu uh so he won't be attending tonight um he did want be here and uh he wrote a statement that he asked me to

read to the planning board just to introduce himself and the project when I first moved to the itha area in 2008 my first job was as a barista for G me coffee in their lanen location which is currently The Whimsy mertile and former Salt Salt Point growing location my first art show was in that Cafe 17 years ago when I was a young and ambitious 24 yearold it is these Ambitions and perseverance that have made my dreams come true I have shows around the globe my world is acquired by esteemed collectors and museums and I'm able to generously provide for a team of five friends who help with production another dream has come true in buying this building and renovating it into my dream Studio I am a community-minded individual who values how my how my own heart work and accomplishments can help others I enjoy being a good neighbor and promise to be a respectful and engaged Community member I can also promise that this property will transform into a beautiful building and grounds filled with life thank you to that if if the board doesn't know the type of artwork that J does and brought a couple of samples it's very colorful very contemporary 3D work it's Canvas OR PW and it Paints the canvas wow some of his installations could cover an entire wall entire room be covered with art room so R was incredbly impressed because our little town our little county has an artist that is doing shows in Bangkok and across the world so

so are we going to lose that purple flower yes yes yes we will certainly um yeah so uh I'll go through the site plan uh you know briefly and I'll have plot you kind of talk about the interior Renovations um one thing I do need to pass out is couple of documents for board [Music] thank you I always like it when they show utilities with a question mark next to them tanks question mark was that for the Rogues Harbor septic tanks question mark yeah pretty sure what's on their property we know what's on ours the first document that's on top is um where the current water line goes on the east side of the building building is here current on the east side of the building 5T between the building and the property l so they're currently eement BR Parson's 11t wide in order put the new springler service in fire line be required we're going to need to access Dr Brown's property on the East so we asked like to Brown letter just so the board know that we're you know working [Music] Faith second document is the secret formance correctly filled out I notic the one that was posted online you have your packets uh got corrupted and page one and two the

number of the boxes were not check so my apologies for [Music] that so regarding the site plan folks are probably with4 roll R facility all out to the road except for the area that's kind of overgrown brush that area in here is actually the second system for 2075 so there SE system designed Josh's property in E need to be maintained so that will St so our they have an easement for that or right they do have an EAS on that overgrown area you're going to be cleaning that overgrown area up though probably right yes okay but you couldn't plant any trees in there because of the septic system now actually growing in there shouldn't be growing in there right it's going to damage the septic system so it's just going to be seated down then pretty much and mode and that's going to be it in that area there's no no way to get any Landscaping trees in there at all no trees we can do some tall grasses which is a straight long you can do but you can't trees the root system' be nice to see something that's got some interest to it yeah if you could put something in I think be great there [Music] also bring up what we're going to do in order to put a new set syst we have to peel back the asphalt in this portion soils out there are not really good um and ground water is pretty high so we're going to be into a pump system raise that be very similar in height to what you see out there in the front right so

that'll be green area but again we can plant that we probably plant few trees and section over here if not directly fi it'd be great if you could put a few trees in it'd be super I'm assuming something ornamental yeah yeah um restrip we're going to repave the parking lot with a little bit of raing so that everyone comes to an asphalt curb takes the dra to the highway Swale and there's a Swale on the south property line so we'll just maintain current range patterns we well under an acre there's no requirements for basis wh project of this size but all that asphalt has been kind of heat up over the years get repaved restriped we'll end up with 15 parking spaces two of them are going to be electric uh Josh wants to convert the old gas Island into a dual electric charging station and we're going to retrofit the original lights with LED uh that'll be the only site lighting that's on the entire property any other lighting will be down building loading back are here will stay so um he has a staff of five people right now design system for f St so is this going to be open to the public or just no it's private Studio working there currently down building back behind CBS downtown and Josh has a private Studio at his house okay this isn't this isn't a retail you place where people come and they buy the artwork they produce it they ship it think they have a they have a show in LA and okay so those electric stations those will be private as well yes yeah just for staff plenty of power building need to

be grocery store way what he needs and this is an outdoor fenced in uh patio area yeah what in the front of the building we going to do is put uh some planter walls in here be CMU like the building with a stone cap on the top and the CMU will be painted the same color as the building so be Planters step up to the front entry this area here [Music] Pao now did I read somewhere about a pervious um pavement [Applause] [Music] that really for the on this along the South boundary line at one time the town wanted to put a trailer or an easement through there has there been any conversation on that I think I think we need to refer that to the trail committee sure we could and just double check with them I think that the one time they wanted to come from the back where the all Fields were you come along that South Line I think in fact one time there was actually I think there still was a trail there that Ed wasn't [Music] it up about 3 4 ft off yeah I don't know where that would go once it got to the road though but I think we still need to see they had the trail committee I do see them I cheat she he the backline uh I guess that's the Eastern side I don't see it North on us um but I don't know where you you only have a 10 foot yard see setback on the existing building right I'm not sure how you squeeze in 20 feet if you only have

10 can't really do that yeah but uh it was just along the South Line it could be part of that setback at least to allow an easement for a walking trail Building looks like there's night e on the south is what I see yeah I think it's on this Trails commit had highlighted oh was it a potential future Trail he gets that evening theor yeah any anyways let's let's just have the trail committee look at it they say no then they say no they say yeah we can talk yeah it is the Eastern side just so but yeah it's exciting any other [Music] question I can't help but it's a 100 foot by almost 100 foot of existing per uh impermeable Mr bu the threshold so low to take care of any water quality um it's th000 Square ft your disturbance for Comm all right so it's not a under I mean it's only what 89 ACR we got 56 Acres so pretty much everything outside the building is being disturbed but we are pulling away a lot of building coverage this new lot closer to that you know 20% green space that's required think it's like8 7 or 8% so we're improving it through that and you said that the parking area is going to drain where with rain it's going to go drain towards the road be a high point in Center this be a curve do

drain this part to the highway the goes so it's kind of going towards it's going to split so part of it will go like where the driveway is that that's where it go yeah all now go driveway Road dit I think that ends up coming to the South and then under the [Music] road right but thenit so the driveway I think the line goes right through the middle of the driveway right the boundary line the property line goes through the middle of the driveway right through the middle of the driveway so if you're going to pave that what about that other part portion of the driveway that's probably still gravel isn't it now this portion here is actually we're stopping pretty much Atway line so now we're stopping here not touching oh okay so okay any other questions on exterior [Music] he your hi um Josh is very interested in cleaning up the exterior but he is um also interested in restoring the letters that were once on the building that say Lancing so those are going back to their original color and uh I think that'll make all of us that remember the idea way pretty

happy um he um you know he's an artist he picked the colors um he is taking the vinyl off and putting a cement siding a Hardy type siding the CMU is getting painted um the building is getting all new um windows and doors uh including the overhead door um on the south side it's setting a um interior wall in front of the you know within the building for uh to be fully insulated and uh we're doing some work with some of the ceilings the ceilings started 11 ft there um he most of the building is single story but there is a mezzanine for storage there is a paint booth there's a large Woodworking Shop um several large Studios offices a whole area where photography of art takes place it's a really a a sophisticated operation he knew exactly how he wanted to use the space and honestly I I measured this building five or six years ago for another client and it the project never moved forward then it was sold then it was rented then it was empty and when I got the call from Josh and went and met him up there I thought that the building had finally found the right owner um so he's putting the money in to uh sprinkler the building to avoid just massive fire ratings that he would have needed to have and he is doing it right I think that um the building will be you know

energy efficient and he intends to be here for a long time any questions how what going do about heating cool I think he's looking at a mini split system I wouldn't call it mini split I think he's looking at a heat pump system um is there going to be any signage by the road for his operation nope no nope signage on the building either not like a retail he just wants his address yeah he's kind of lowy he's lowkey but he's out you know he's out there at these shows and everything we think he's in the public but he's a very quiet you know lowkey okay artist yeah so the uh block work is the first story and then your fiber cement's just going to be in The Gables yes but currently it's um vinyl so he's just going to pull that off and and replace it and your address number is going to be on the building yeah he does have the address over the door oh I can't see okay yeah we've been asking for a large number to make it visible on many of the commercial buildings now yeah potentially like a 12 in he's got that I can't I I don't remember what size but if he didn't ask for 12 in we can do that he's gotting got about the spray room and the spray yes are youing yes he he owns a spray booth he's well aware of the exhaust requirements the sprinkler requirements etc etc so there will be um exhaust coming through the roof from that spray possibly out the side we're not sure yet how it has several locations where you can exhaust and then get fresh air go out

the so you're saying it would be blown out which direction towards the toward the East so I'm not familiar with the type of paint that he would be using are there requirements for any sort of filtration or just to make sure that the noxious F Bo or like out thinking about um you're next to an inn and you know restaurant area open out seating and then you I read the instruction for the spray booth and I don't know the answer to that question except we can find out and I know Josh is incredibly responsible um it is about as far from the in as you could be in terms of the place and the way that it's uh set up but I have um I we we will check okay that'd be helpful my familiar is more with auto paint his Booth is pretty central inside the building too so it's not outes I would think that you go up yes absolutely John do you is there a I was wondering what the total construction cost might be on something like that we got it um you know Doug bows is going to be doing the construction um so I'm not really sure if he has um hit a price yet I I feel like it's kind of lucky there someone with enough money to take that thing I know I'm I'm super really the building is so perfect for him I mean really I mean the size of this the rooms that he wants and needs um you know just are perfect in that building it's such an

nice right now it is yeah do that pretty cool it's not cheap for I'm sure it isn't any cheaper now than when we started either he originally went up in 2022 he property to build a similar type of Studio there uh all new construction it was way off the road though but when we got to that full storm water practices you know huge driveway off the roadway in that water across the street that was just way too expensive so he sat for a while and waited and then you finally found this property so he was very excited about that yeah it's great look looks like it'll be a great addition to the community [Music] yeah so where are we at we got to do a public comment period yep so that will schedule public hearing for April and do the seeker and hope W into so we're assuming electric there's not any outside utilities like propane or anything it's not going to be an outside dumpster Corral or anything like no we about outside dumpster on the the south side it's going to do all everything to yeah that's great he wants to be a good neighbor heor doesn't want to start off on probably be more welcome than the candy [Music] I can't help but one one just uh is there going to be some type of internal agreement between him and the haror for overflow parking and such you know I can't help but at night sometimes there's Friday Saturday night overflow parking it goes on there I was surprised

there's not like a fence going up around this or or it's nice to see that there's maybe leaving it open that there's that understanding that sometimes you know yeah I don't know there's some Boulders right now between the two drivers to the pump and all that I think it's great it's leaving it open but it's just a consideration I don't know if you want Park up nice engagement yeah as a board do we I don't think we really Foster those agreements or do we encourage those agreements to be met I'm assuming that he's going to be shutting down or locking off the uh the EV charging stations so that general public won't be trying to use those yeah their hours are very their office hours and I think sometimes they don't even work Friday so they're there you know Monday through Thursday normally if I if they have a show obviously according loss of hours in a bit later but they're all in in house very quiet okay awesome yeah sorry as a past president for any type of neighborly agreements for parking but I guess maybe not so we're scheduling public hearing for next month yeah secret done thank you thank you thanks Claud yeah do you want to just put together some comments and I'll share it with Kevin yes so let's take a look at uh 89 Goodman Road so this came before the board previously several years ago and at that time the homeowner kind of withdrew their application and decided that hey if I

don't do um if I'm not doing a kennel and if I have less than five animals I can kind of do what I want he got his building permit um went ahead and constructed the house and it looks like a shed on the side and put his fence up and uh there's been various complaints about signage so he took his signage down and uh there's been a re-evaluation by both the code office and the attorney for the town saying that this is a Animal Care Facility um and so therefore um he has to go through site plan review and ultimately for the zoning there he would have to have what sidey guard set back of 150 ft all sides all sides sides 150 ft so which he doesn't have in the rear and he doesn't have a like doesn't look like he has it on any sides maybe except the front I was to say that might potentially be the only one the north side so other than our comments he if he wants to run this as an animal care facility he does need to go to um the zba and I would think that that would be the place for a public heing to happen at the zda public but what comments do we have as a board how how when would it fall back to account how how does that work we looked at the law and I can't remember what it said about the difference I think ultimately it's the zoning officer's call so he'll read the definitions of the penel versus the animal care facility and assess them against gu the definitions and right go from there yeah and they I think he molded over with the town attorney and

they concluded Animal Care Facility well either way we wanted a solid stockade fence on the North and the east side that was at least 6t tall last time there are no houses in these back Lots you can see it but you can see it from the front lot house whereas there's a gly kind of a stream drainage back here and then there's a field on the other side so there's really nothing there and then this side has a lot of brush to the West so that's not really visible but there is another um residential structure kind of out of the frontage there that can look back Beyond his house and see the fence so now would you guys be satisfied with seeing uh I think he already has the chain link that's up I you can get like the inserts that you know the like lats if you will that block screening you're shaking your head no you want we wanted it so that the dogs couldn't see the neighbors the neighbors couldn't see the dogs other words there's activities on the neighbors lawn area the kids are playing the dogs can see the neighbors kids playing they're going to bark and it's going to cros that was the idea behind it okay so we wanted it so it was pretty solid on that side so there was no any activity could not be W witnessed by either party however you want to wor that right and the um the homeowner is said that regarding signs he's taken signs down and he's not going to put signs up so to my mind that's if you decide you want to put signs up in the future then you have to comply with the sign ordinance yes I believe he' probably have to ultimately get a second

variance for that if he wants to build a anything bigger than you know just like you suggested putting barksville above his like yeah on his on his you know I I would think that would be okay if you so would the neighbors be notified Mason activity on this yes the so the neighbors will be notified when we do the zoning okay portion area variances require a public hearing so the neighbors will get notified all the neighbors within 600 ft will get they were they were pretty uh active in the last uh go around that's scheduled for the next meeting by the way yes April 9th so for the the CBA I wonder how this I mean it was originally going to be a kennel and nobody tell told this guy that it could be a considered an animal care facility that's but I think it was originally going to be a Doggy Daycare yeah yeah right not not what I would consider a c but um and we had a different Cod officer at the time and um I think the advice that he got was you have under five dogs you kind of do what you want right and I believe he pulled his application and went away and the third brench in that was I think that the zoning Chang I believe it used to be different zoning and when they did the 23 22 right it got updated and changeed so he was already I think he said near completion of building the house and everything based on right and then everything changed yeah it says ra now zoned ad as of April 2023 so how does that how does that affect if if you want

the old so I don't know I think that is what got worked out between codes and the lawyer CU I believe he had his lawyer involved as well and they worked everything out and the only thing that I've been supplied with is that it's going to be treated as an animal care facility which needs site plan review and a variance for the 150 ft now because he probably po eventually could have taken that into consideration had that been the case when he knew up front but since so many things have changed now he's just kind of yeah at the point where he'll do whatever we tell him to get this s so if he goes to zoning and Zoning says no you don't we're not going to give you a variance what's what does he can he still um for a couple dogs I have no idea that would I mean he advertises on the internet right now and I think that's what kind of spurred this whole thing is that somebody in our Department saw his advertisement and said what is the barksville in why haven't we had site plan review for this and then did some digging and lo and behold all of this is now come to fruition so exactly so could can they redo can they just say we we're not going to adhere to the 150 ft zoning or can they go I mean what do they what is their their ability on that they either say yes or no I think so and then if they say no I'm not sure what he would do that would be back to I think the the lawyers and he have to I mean I think legally he has to stop operating I don't think you he still legally can have four dog his own he can have his own four dogs sure but I don't think at that point he'd be able to take money and run a buiness run a business if you will a homebased business all right so why why wouldn't this be considered uh just a non-conforming use those usually have a a run when it applies both for

not just the use itself my understanding is like if the dimensional requirements change as well too um if it was permitted under the previous zoning then what but they were it was never permited under he never got he never got that was The Walking Away part and then correct yeah so he had his building permit he never got he never got second and he never even he only had the first part of the building permit the actual building permit I don't think he ever got issued the certificate of occupancy for the building oh okay because then all this came about and we realized that he was running the illegal business and they wouldn't issue him the certificate of occupancy for the business but also for his own home it's a weird sit so I can see the the issue with the no ofo and but that wouldn't really concern us sure I'm still so there was no permit but does he have any documentation saying that he was told it's okay okay to operate in this particular way he's outs if he's operating outside of the limits of that understanding then I can see where we have an issue but otherwise I I think I I guess I would need to understand more from maybe the perspective of the Town Town's attorney like I understand no permit but if it was not a business that required a permit at the time then I don't know how we can go back now I think it was without something in the zoning that says non-conforming uses have this much amount of time to I don't think we changed the zoning enough to make that happen okay I would second that I think it still required site plan review under the original zoning okay yeah and he never did his application we still told him he could have five dogs and it didn't matter who the owner of the dog was he just couldn't have more than five I I'm pretty certain we we said that Mason what's your uh action I'm for tonight do we need to schedule a public hearing or what do you want us to do with

this ah so it has to you have ultimately recommended to go to the zoning board for the varant but I think do we public hearing on it because it's been so much time and there have been some changes yeah we'll have a public hearing on it but I don't know if we want to do that I think we'll maybe we need clarification from guy he guy reviewed this guy reviewed this can he just put something simple in writing that gives us a little more sure okay he does would you guys is everybody okay with that legal legal what's legal's opinion on all this as well so think your said I kind of would as well and I think your guys's request will actually allow that to happen with you because when he walked away I was pretty sure that we told him you're good to go as long as you don't have operated kennels as long as you don't have 5 we told him that yeah that you're you can go back and look at the video good to go you know the date and go look at the video and you know exactly what you told me yeah and I think he he probably got that from planning John where he met informally during the conferences too possi if he's got lawyers they've looked at that video I would assume so I would assume so and I think his lawyers have been involved and our lawyers involved and and this was the final determination after I guess we we just need guys okay no yes I would I would I would I think it helps protect the town and make sure your following directions and lawyers are involved it's it's unfortunate yeah well what happens I have the question what happens if you know get us the are that's a question forgot that's a question I was going to say that's that's not our it's not our it's much easier to get

guy to tell you how to do it now than to have guy clean it up fine no okay so then I think I think the John's answer will do nothing we just hold off I will reach out to guy and see some clarification on how to proceed here can table until next month I guess is he is he running the business now yes he's got ads on the internet and it's but but but with only four dogs as far as he's told me in all the meetings we have I haven't actually physically gone and like look to verify that I also haven't gotten any complaints from any neighbors aside from the initial one like months and months and month well you you wouldn't go anyway the code officer would go to expect upon a complaint sure sure sure I mean I guess I could go with a question about a measurement observe and if I saw anything I report back but I yeah I think you get guys advice as to how to yeah okay so that's tabled yeah you want to give us an update sure so you remember about I don't know three or six months ago we went over six different minor changes to zoning we passed that at our meeting last week the big one that you guys should remember is we passed the new uh map of uh how to do buffers and so those uh drawings are now in the town code they won't get published for who knows how long but they do technically count and so you should guys pull those out whenever you're talking about buffers and say you got buffers a through D I think it is and I know Mason's got that somewhere in his system because I think he drew them

oh can you send us a summary of that board members what was approved sure is that possible yeah yeah um I I can send you my quick six build summary and then the language that was actually changed I can send you both of those when you say won't get published is it up on the code website youve seen published or published how I don't I me there's two halves of it there's we public we we put it in our minutes so it's available in our minutes but then um we go toy it and codify it which they go through and make sure that everything gets written into the code as a whole unit to you know take out all the and put in the ises and whatever changes I don't know how long that takes um usually the town clerk sends those in in groups and I don't know if she'll send this one in as a group or whether there's a couple of things that are about to come in and she'll send it all as a group and then it all gets changed on the uh town website so there there's always a little bit of catch up on these things and I I can't give you a timeline on that so the two big things are that and we now have a uh minimum uh Drive width of 60 ft for uh Road Frontage that does the 20ft driveway and the 10t on either side and all the things flag l or development yeah that that that gets everybody's requirements in there and you don't have a problem of it's not quite wide enough to put the utilities in or whatever else it is that uh needs to go along that um you know if you guys care you cannot have six chickens was very um I what the other two were there's but there um you one of the other ones is you'll now see some of the U multif family homes coming before site plan um some of the smaller developments didn't require a site plan before and now they will and it just makes sense to have someone take a a broader look at

the property rather than yeah you can build it well yeah like the youngs tonight me were very concerned I think as a board about having a large parcel just having you know we're going to do a minor subdivision then we're going come back a couple laters we're do another a couple years later do another minor subdivision and there's not a broader well I'm talking about things in which you know I've got you know eight acres and I've got a house and I build a house uh for my mother in the back and I build another one over here some of those were going through with your staff doing a quick review and they didn't have the same kind of plan area that you guys are able to do and so requiring site plan just gives it a little bit more structure and a little bit more understanding MH ah so what else we are going to be seeing um the uh ethics disclosure forms you're going to have to fill those out those are going to be coming through soon that's better than December that's good I hope you got them before December um we've approved uh another grant that the trail committee got to uh do more planning uh that one is going to extend the Myers Road plan up through the town center a bit more uh and those are the major things any questions for oh and i' mared with Delware solar want me Ruth uh and Mason to talk about uh the host Community agreement and a little bit about the other two but the other two are basically if they follow Town law for uh decommissioning and for the uh other uh permit the landscape yeah it's basically if they follow the Town rules we'll pass said that that's not as much of a negotiation as the host Community agreement but we started that discussion and on the way out she said she should get me a draft in the next week or so cool thank

you any questions so a reminder to board members to be working on your educational requirements whether that's learn or to that just going to be day toide with me and Ruth and I are also going to be at that okay you going for the whole thing I'm going for the whole thing so as Ruth is my understanding what's what's the date on that again the 11th it's like the 6th 7th and 8th of April something like that Sunday Monday Sunday Monday Tuesday Monday [Music] yeah some of the lunch and learns which Sandy seems to always do those some of the lunch and learns have been very good there's going on Native pollinators and there's going on um ver wetman so and then uh this morning we had the capital committee which was a good meaning uh Ruth uh and staff have been putting together Capital budgeting plan for the next 5 years and I guess prior to this it's kind of been extremely informal but she's kind of ripped that into shape and and made a really nice document um I think you'll see that stuff probably August September somewhere around there hoping a little hoping a little bit ear maybe July yeah but um and that's a rolling document each year right you add a year from one end and drop it from the

other so you have a 5year projection of what your Capital plans are so there are things like the original Consolidated water district piping is um uh ductile iron but it didn't have any protection on it and so that's been corroding they're going to have to replace it it's going to be in the ground for know 35 years but all the extensions that have been done all have this coating plastic coating on them and the new stuff they're going to replace that with will be coded as well so it should have more like an 80 or 100 Year lifespan so that's good to know because hopefully that will be a one-time Capital replacement expense in our lifetimes you know those kinds of things so but that's a water district expense though correct right but we're doing everything from the roof to replacement vehicles to the HVAC in this building to reconfigure this building the no but I mean the water that's all build that's buil to the water district right but yeah the roof here is going to be build of the entire town but the idea is to start looking at what kind of capital expenses are coming up and plan for them so that we don't have them all hit in one year but can spread them out over a reasonable time and and then judge which ones are absolutely necessary and which ones can get put off depending on what we have money for yeah I did ask grp to put together especially for where the funding um is not uh grants or it's not through a water or sewer uh you know or storm water district or it's not a funding source like um sales tax where it's going to be part of the assessed you know value um looking at you know what's the Medan and what's the average home value in the town and and then looking at you know putting a

spreadsheet together for over the 5 years for all the proposed items that you know may change because we might get some Grand funding or we may exclude one of those projects or whatever but just at least to look at the Baseline that they have now to add up all the different projects and each year how many cents per thousand that's going to be so it gives the taxpayer an idea of what it's going to do um I think in 2026 you know it's looking like it's going to be about 69 cents per thousand potentially you know um that's the Public Works facility that hey the median or average house is 350k then you're looking at like $225 added to your tax bill because of those Capital Improvements um uh Mike Mosley was not real thrilled with that cuz he's like there's going to be daggers coming at me but it's like people have to know sooner than later absolutely you know um kind of what's proposed so that so that they can react and and I get it he's he's the guy who's going to be in the hot seat a lot but um but at any rate it's it's nice to see a real Capital plan SE it on paper and nice presentation and uh was that presentation done so that the public can understand that when was that presentation done that was at the committee uh the capital Improvement committee okay yeah so she's been working on that for about a year now so I think that it's probably 98% she's just got to make some notes and a couple small changes and it's ready to go yeah it's it's got a lot of explanatory stuff and and we're looking for all the different kind of funding sources to put in there you know the money we're getting from these solar companies is going to be funnel towards the parks things like that so we're looking at all of the different kinds of funding sources and kind of listing those out is here's where the money can come from here's where the money needs to go and

then trying to figure out how to match that all up yeah depending on how projects either overlap fiscal years or what have we also talked about uh capital reserve fund potentially for some of those monies that are for specific you know spending projects yeah I personally am working on trying to get those Reserve funds reworked because most of them have sat there for years and years untouched they're they're Project Specific no they're vague and nobody knows how to spend them so they just sit there and and that's not doing any of us any good and so the idea is to rework those so that they're real capital reserve funds with real specific ideas of where we want them to go so for example if we get a big check from uh Delaware solar from uh that will go on a reserve fund that's set up for Park uh maintenance and then we'll know oh we've got enough to do this part of Myers Park we'll be able to do this part of l lville park or something like that and we'll be able to with the capital plan no this is the priority of the parks that we want to do here's how much it's going to cost approximately we have this much money in the reserve fund this year we can afford to move some of it over and do Project X yeah the other thing that she was going to probably put on a spreadsheet was um the existing debt and you know the the dates that those different bonds would pay out how much it's being spent on them annually and then also what the um uh you know what the state says our debt capacity is so that we making sure in that yeah another issue we have is it's taking longer and longer time for a truck to actually arrive once you order it I think it's now two or three years and so it's really hard to plan a budget buying a truck now that you won't see until 2027 maybe 28 and so you know again having Reserve funds set up to say all right we can afford this truck we're going to put money here it's for that truck that we may get 3 years from now

but we we aren't setting up the next board to like suddenly have a huge uh expense that they didn't know how to deal with so we're trying to deal with all that kind of stuff with this Capital project plan yeah coming together it's good to see we we had a light winter again was there Surplus in the salt and no no the up the other way around it was a light winter but every morning you had to send the salt trucks out to get rid of the layer of ice and so it actually went over budget because overg it went over budget uh we had to give Mikey some more money it was that consistent morning snow icy snowfall that uh you know he had he had to make the road safe but it was practically every morning yeah no no I just I was just wondering how it worked out we didn't have the snow but we had the light I the ice the icing over was what was what killed the budget there were a lot of 2our delays for the schools or anything that would be Masons no word what if they say uh I don't want to then then they should stabilize their site I think they need to stabilize it a little bit that's about it all right we are done pleas turn off