Zoning Board of Appeals - Regular Meeting

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All right. Good evening everyone. Welcome to the U mixture of November and December zone board of appeals meeting for the town of Caramel. Board members names are in front of you on the deis. Mike Carnaza code enforcement officer. Uh Mr. I was going to say full shetty. Mr. Charbano is our town council and Daryl Ed

Ed, sorry, is uh joining us for uh fun. All right. Um the way we operate is I'll ask you to come up to the uh the podium. I'll swear you in. Um we'll hear your case. We'll let the board ask questions and make comments. We'll open it up to the public. Once we close a hearing, there's no input from the public at at any point. So, please keep that in mind. Um, if anyone's going to come up outside of uh an applicant that's going to speak or be heard from the public side, make sure that you sign in with your uh name, phone number, and address. All right. Will you all please stand and join me for the pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. All right. Thank you. Uh, our first case is a hold over from a couple months ago for Fernando Medina. Are you guys here?

Okay. Thank you. [clears throat] Finally made it. All right. State your names and address for the record, please. And just all please speak clearly and distinctly into the microphone so we can pick you up. This is being recorded for minutes from our uh secretary. So, um, if you could turn the mic to your, if you're both going to be speaking, turn your the mic to your mouth, please. It's on. Okay. It's Yeah, you should be able to bend. All right. Um, an address for the record, please. Sure. Fernandanda Medina, 44 Kelly Road, Carmel, New York. Denise Medina, 44 Kelly Road, Carmel, New York. Okay, just turn that down the mic down to your mouth. Yeah, there you go. Perfect. All right. Uh, raise your right hands. You have to swear again. Uh, swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. So, help you God.

Swear. Okay. Thank you. Um, bring us through your case. You have uh a fence that's been put up. That's right. Oh, let me read it. It's 4T front is what's required for for the height of the fence. What's provided is 6 feet. So, you need a twoft variance for the front. Um, all right. Tell us why why you did this. Why it's

Sure. We have three young children. They're a 2-year-old, a four-year-old, and a six-year-old. Our home is non-compliant. It's 14 feet from the road, no sidewalk. So, it's really a safety issue for the kids. Cars, you know, just drive by, they slow down, they look, the kids are playing. It's really not a safe, it's too close. So, that's why we brought it up to keep our kids safe in the section that we did. We didn't do the whole section. We just did the a section of it. That's a concern where the kids play. All right. How long has it been up for? Uh since since we bought the house, there was a gate that was six feet in there. We just continued the

Yeah. So yeah, so it's been up maybe three months and now, but we missed another hearing. So I think it was it's probably there for 3 months now. All right. Well, it had to be picked up. Did someone complain about it or did uh uh No. Dennis probably did his rounds. Yeah. So that was not you know, we got signatures. We we don't have across the street. There's no neighbors. Our two side neighbors, they're very far away and they were okay with it. They didn't have any issues. All right. So, the big concern is safety for children, right? Has there been any issues that Yeah, there's just cars that drive by and slow down and then just just slowly drive and peek in and it just doesn't there's another road that

Yeah, but it's down more of the road. There's Houston down the road, but there's like an uphill. So, it's weird to explain, but as you go up there, the cars are just literally just slow down to look into to what's happening there. And then they just continue driving onto Houston. All right. That's a little scary. Yeah. And know it's like I said, it's three young kids. All right. What's What's the value of this fence? What did you pay? No, we made it ourselves. We put it My father is a carpenter, old school from Venezuela, so he helped us out. We spent maybe 500 bucks material and his labor. What would it cost if if it was 100 bucks per panel and uh there's about six panels and some maybe 800 bucks. We didn't pay him anything. He just did it, you know, for free for us.

If you had it, if you had it professionally done, probably couple thousand. Yeah. Two or three thousand. Just we're establishing a record for what what the value of um Yeah. Two 3,000. Yeah. All right. Um board members. John, any any questions on this? You know, I was by the uh house. It's sort of on an incline going up if you you're coming from the main road. Correct. And um it's a nice fence. I think it's cedar that it's made out of, right? And it's six feet high. Yeah. It's a standard that came in from Home Depot. We didn't, you know, it's what they sell. No one's more concerned about safety, you know, than us. And especially for your children, but if it was 4 feet or six feet, you, you know, it's

you can still peek in. So, you can still peek in from outside. So, it was of a visual. Correct. You don't want anybody looking in. Like I mentioned, they stop and they look and they they're like, you know, slowly look and then they keep going and we can't tell most of the time who they are. Like I I have cameras now that can catch the plates, but it's just creepy. People were looking in. Yeah, correct. Looking into the Like I said, my house is literally 15 ft. I was there with no sidewalk. I was I was one of the people stopping and looking. Oh, that was you when I creeping in. I was looking right through. I was looking at your front door and I said, "Boy, I can still, you know, I see your front door and it is an old the house is close. It's very close." Yeah. Yeah.

And uh you know I I'm saying it's uh it's a it's a big thing to have cuz anyone could have that then you know like with a house close to the road have a sixoot fence. I don't think it poses any problems to you. You know if no one's pulling out uh if you were pulling out of your driveway does that fence block you? you know, if you're looking if someone's coming down the hill and you're pulling out of your driveway. Well, my driveway is probably 60 feet from the door of the house. So, it's very it's a lot, you know, there's a lot more distance there. And then so, um, it's if that was 4T, uh, you don't want anybody seeing in this for viewability. That's really

And if I think about it, if at four feet you can still jump in and and you know with the stuff you hear in the news, you can four feet is not that high given the the distance you can, you know, I still see it as a because of the proximity of the house, I see it as a as a safety issue. Now, if we were 40t like a normal house would or whatever, you know, whatever the the rule is, then it would be different for for the that closer distance. If they try to open the door, if a ball goes and they try to jump it, you know, it's just a lot of things that a six feet will do better than four. All right. Rose, are you conducting business over there? There seems to be some commercial type Yeah. construction vehicles.

Yeah, I have a I have Well, I don't conduct business. I have some of my tools and that I have a shed in the back that I pick up, take and go. Yeah, they look like some vehicles though. Yeah, I have a I have a Sprinter, but that's personal use. And I have a truck. Yeah, I park it there. One business vehicle. Yeah, the business is registered in Manhattan, but I park the van there. Okay. Yeah, he's allowed to do that. All right, guys. Down here. No questions. All right. Anybody in the public wish to be heard on this application? I'll look for a motion to close the hearing. So moved. Do I have a second? Second. All in favor?

I. Okay. Thanks, guys. I failed to mention if you guys want to stick around uh as we adjudicate later for your decision otherwise um you can go and watch it on TV. I always forget the channels uh or get a decision tomorrow and call Mike's office and uh get the decision. But I don't think it'll be too late tonight. So if you want to stick around, I know you guys have young children, so if you want to get home, you can watch on TV. Uh yeah, Verizon channel 24 and Comcast channel 95. Thank you, Dawn, for uh posting that. All right. What' you say? 92 YouTube. Oh, YouTube. All right. I don't get those. Oh, that was Vinn. Yeah, Vinnie said I heard a voice in my head.

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All right. Application number two is uh Degaspari, 112 Bucks Hollow Road. uh whole slew of uh variances needed here. So you constructing a garage um so lot area is 40,000 ft. There's only 20,725. So variance of 19275 is needed. A lot width of 150 is required. 96 exists. 54 is being sought. Driveway width is 24 feet as per code. 12 feet is provided. 12 feet is being sought for variance. Sideyard house 25 feet. 16 feet exists. 9 foot variance. Sideyard garage 18 being provided. Two foot variance. Rear yard garage 20 ft is the uh code. 15 ft is existing or um in place and 5 foot variance is required.

All right. And the use variance also. And the use variance, of course. All right. Because it's a mixed use. That's right. All right. Mr. Carell, state your name, address for the record, please. [clears throat] Uh, my name is John Carell. 121 Kushman Road in Patterson, New York. Raise the right hand. Swear to tell truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. So help you guys. Yes, I do. Thank you, sir. All right. Bring us through your application. You're representing the client, correct? Yes. All right. What's uh what's this? What's the story?

Well, Mr. Gasper is uh building a garage for his personal use and his little business. Um most of the variances are because of the property size. If you note, um, you know, the lot area requires 40,000 square feet and we're providing 20,000, but that's the way the lot was created. So, that variance. Yeah. Jack, can I ask you to speak up? We got some kind of unit running over here. Okay. Sorry. Hard to hear. Uh, I can talk louder if you can.

Uh, the second variance was with lot width 150 feet. Same story. It's an existing lot. and we have 96 feet and there's a 54 foot variance. Um the driveway width um normally for a business like this you need a 24 foot wide driveway but basically this prop this property uh doesn't need a 25 24T driveway. It's a It's a residential driveway and it's it [snorts] there's no trucks going in and out of there. He the owner drives car trucks, pickup trucks or prop uh you know vehicles. So that's why we're asking for that. It just squishes up against the house

if it was use of this garage. This is for these said vehicles for what? What What's the use of the garage? What's the You want to come up and tell them what's the usees? Yeah. All right. Let me I can swear you in. Uh state your name and address for name is Chris the Gasprey. We site at 112 Bucks Road. All right. Raise your right hand. Swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. So I'll help you God. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. All right. So what's the use for the garage? So is I I run my plumbing and heating uh company out of there. And um what is I have multiple sheds on the property now. So, I'm trying to get rid of all the sheds and consolidate and keep everything, all my inventory and uh some of my vehicles within the structure. Trying to do Okay. Just try to clean up the property. You'll have garage doors, I presume.

There'll be overhead doors. Vehicles will go in and Yeah. Um I didn't get a chance to get out to see this one. Is there residence on the other side? Well, no. I mean, you you you uh you're adjacent to a commercial industrial granite yard. Yeah. And uh then you have the in industrial uh you know with plumbing supply area. I'm sure you're quite familiar with that. And then there's a body uh shop and a mechanic. And we have another um we have another case, you know, right right next door in in that line. So you see that blue uh granite warehouse? That's the uh that's the western uh side of your property, right? And you're going uh you know there was I didn't walk back there because there was snow. It was snow on the ground and stuff, but

that's very it's in a uh [snorts] I don't think anyone's going to be um I don't think anyone's here. Maybe there is somebody here opposed to it, but I don't think so. Yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't think so. We we generated some views from the from the street past the house and you really can't see the garage so well from, you know, from the from the uh from the road. Yeah. It goes down the hill a little bit. Yes. So, it's basically a commercial looking garage, pitch roof. What kind of materials proposed for the outside? It's going to be metal. Metal like a butler type of Yeah.

It's going to match your neighbor sort of. Is it bluish? It's No. No. I'm not going to do blue. Yeah. I'm going to do um It's going to be a gray do a gray uh building. Okay. Yeah. And that's 60 by 40. Yes. All right. No, no waters inside, right? It's uh not inside. Yeah. Yeah. I'm just going to have a water outside just for a hose bip connection. And it's an open uh construction. Yes. On the inside, it's going to be A-frame. Yeah. Open span. Yes. Clear span. Yes. No need for heat or anything, right? You're just going to have electric type heaters or

Well, I am going to put heat in it. I'm going to put just because it's going to be also as a, you know, workshop for myself. Well, there's electricity to the building. Yeah. Yeah. Existing existing because there was a shed there. Yeah. The house never had a garage has we just have a carport and so I'm using as also between business and personal use as well for a garage. All right. Um, one concern we have is this is a use variance. So, you have to prove, you know, we'll read the criteria, right? And for the board members to keep this in mind. Well, any questions from the board members on this application at this [clears throat] point? I do. Will you be living in that property? Yes.

You will always be living in it as long as that. Okay. You live there currently? Yes. Okay. And um this is a commercial zone, commercial lot. It is. Okay. So, it's a residential existing residence out of a zone. Correct. Either one of the uses are allowed, but together they're not. That's what happens. So, it's it's mixed use.

Um, so for use variance, it's um number one is incapable of earning a reasonable return if used for any of the allowable uses. So, dollar amounts must be shown. And I did not see anything in the package to to this effect. So, you know, usually you got to show like what what's the hardship or what's what's the cost of the structure.

Well, not only that, but all right, you're incapable of earning a reasonable return if the use if used for any of the allowable uses, right? So, we have like a mixed use here too. Um, so the second thing is the property is affected by unique or at least highly uncommon circumstances. And number three is it will not alter the essential character of the neighborhood, which I don't think it will knowing what's what's around there. And number four is is it self-created? Is it not self-created? So you're creating this, right? Yes.

So um for use variance, all of these items must be proven, right? I don't see evidence of of the financial aspect. You have to show what your expenses are and what your what you might bring in by having this and compare the two. You have to show if you're losing money [snorts] if you don't use this garage for that reason. I see. Like if you're renting space somewhere else and paying for that or doing a bunch of things you could show. Right. Okay. Right. So currently do you rent another space for your I don't rent. No, I everything is ran off of that property. So, I run the whole business right off of that property.

So, you'd have to almost show the value of doing this, how it would enhance your your business or or what have you, right? You have to show the dollars and cents, okay, of why you're you're proposing to do this. Well, the only thing that would benefit me is is being more efficient. You know, we're running a company as far as right now we're like I said, we're running out of out of structures, out of sheds. So I have inventory in multiple areas. So usually running around the property, you know, in the course of the day in the morning. They also show there's a cost to build this building obviously, but is that how's that going to benefit you down the road? Right. You got to kind of show this to us, right? So we can decide if it fits this criteria, right? And since you're growing out of your current sheds,

yes, if you needed to rent somewhere else, how much will that cost to rent space to put your equipment? Right. What you need to Right. So, I think we probably would have to hold this over until we come back until you can provide some of that data for us. Okay. Unfortunately, that's Yeah. If you call Rose or myself, we'll help you out with the how to do it. All right. All right. So, I'll look for a mouse. Say, Mike, I'll just guide you. I can't tell you how to do it, but I'll give you a guide. In this case, Mike, there's there's no way it can just be an area variance if it was u

if it was one or the other, that's all it would be. But because it's a mixeduse, and mixeduse is not allowed there. That's their issue. And it's hard to show financial hardship on a lot with a house. What did you buy? You bought a house. You didn't buy a business. So, it's it makes it difficult. Yeah, it's kind of a tough one, but um do do you do you want to ask if anybody had wants to speak on this? Well, I mean I can, but I I don't think anyone is here to speak on it. I [snorts] will. Anybody in the public wish to be heard on this application? Good.

There you go, Jack. Um, so anyway, I I'll look for a motion to hold this over just try to get that information test for next month or before next month prior to so we can analyze it and Okay. Um, you know, go from there with it. All right. Is somebody taking minutes that so we can it's being recorded so that she can make minutes from Okay. Then we know what what we're trying to All right. Thank you very much. Well, like um like Mike said, you can reach out to him tomorrow. All right. I will. And discuss it. Right. Okay. All right. All right. So, I'll look for a motion to hold this application over. So moved. Second. Have a second. All in favor? I. All right. Thanks, guys. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. We found Okay.

Thank you. Good night.

Sorry. Got my system here. All right. Um, next new application is number three for Richard Ginsburg for GGLS Texas LLC. Variance of section 156-9 seeking area variance for permission to add a second floor over existing house. Property is located at 14 Sycamore Road and tax map 76.5-1-44. All right. The code requires or allows 15 feet to the side. What's provided is is 9.3 and a variance of 5.7 is being sought. Good evening.

Good evening. State just turn the mic down to your mouth so it can be picked up. There you go. State your name and address for record. My name is Richard Ginsburg, 14 Sycamore Road in Mayopac 10541. Raise your right hand. Swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. So I'll help you God. I do, sir. All right. Thank you. Thank you. So what are you doing? You're putting an addition on an existing footprint. Correct. The house was built already in the setback. It's 115 years old. Uh we recently bought it two months ago. We we moved up here from Texas. We have children that live here. Only because people always ask why did I move here from Texas? But I'm glad. Welcome to May.

Anyway, um thank you. So the house is on the footprint that it is. The second story is already existing. There is a deck outside my bedroom when that is 10 feet wide by or 11 ft wide by 30 ft long. We just want to enclose that. Excuse me. [clears throat] And make a master suite out of the flat roof, right? It is not a flat roof. We're going to No existing which there is exist. So there's no roof there. No, but it is a roof right from the room below. Oh, correct. I'm just making a joke because it's one of man's worst inventions is a flat roof. Oh, correct. Leaking and whatever. But right,

I see what you're doing. You're going to you're going to rerfter from the ridge. It's pretty easy to wall height and close it. So, we're not adding anything to the existing structure. The existing structure was built before probably there were setbacks, tell you the truth. Same same footprint, right? And so because we're going over into the 15 foot setback, I guess you guys we just need to catch everything up uh from a permit perspective on the house. All right. Who did the rendering? Uh Tom Nan. Tom Nan. Okay. Ted Nent. That's his N. Um yeah. All right. So you talked to your neighbors about this?

Yes. So, uh, I have a letter here from the HOA board that it's already been approved by them. Okay. My my adjoining that can you have an extra copy? That's fine. We'll keep it for the record. And I have [snorts] one from my adjoining neighbor. My other adjoining neighbor is not here. I have no objections from anybody in the neighborhood. It will add value. It doesn't block anybody's view. I'm a builder from Texas. Uh, and I will use a licensed contractor here in New York to do the work. I need to get some plans done. I haven't spent the money on the plans until I get approved for the for the variance. Once I get approved, NEN will do the plans. Okay,

Mike and the group. There's no property you can purchase to bring it into conformance, right? Obviously, you're landlocked there. That is correct. It's the only structure on the the the property. There's nothing else to do with it other than Okay. what I can do. Board members, Will, anything? No questions. Joel, no. John, looks good. All right. Any input from the public on this application? I'll look for a motion to close the hearing then. Motion to close. [snorts] Have a second. Second. All in favor? I. Okay. Thank you. Thank you all for your time. Have a merry Christmas. Likewise. Same to you. Merry Christmas.

All right. Application number four for Liberty Bell Trucking Greenpoint Tree Services Services contract vendee for a variation of section 156-9 seeking a variance for permission to construct a commercial building. The property is located 61-65 old route 6 caramel New York and tax map 55.11-1-9 and 20. Good evening. Good evening. Paul Lynch, Putinham Engineering. State your Yeah. State four old Route 6, Brewster, New York. Give me an address. There you go. Thanks, Paul. You're welcome. Um, right hand. Swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. So, we'll help you God. Yes, I do. All right. You want to bring us through it?

This is lots number five and six of the Merryweather subdivision, which was subdivided back, I believe, in the late 70s. and you have very small lots and that's why I'm showing you this first drawing is this is the actual subdivision that was presented and approved. So our two lots are actually these two here and the Greenpoint Tree Services is looking to purchase the two lots, combine them and have a single use on the property.

Okay. Um, when you do that and combine the two lots, you end up with I think it's 87,000 square feet plus or minus of area and we need by code 120,000. So, it's a pre-existing two lots being put together and we need a variance for the 32,812. [clears throat] And recently back in April, the town adopted a new zoning code and the ordinance changed and our front yard setback where we had been obviously we've been in front of the planning board. We were conforming but now with the new setback being increased to 50 ft we are 7 feet over that line. Okay. And I don't have the availability or ability to really ship the building back because when you look at the site plan [snorts]

Yeah. It's cheap. This is the rock cut. Yeah. So I can't push the building back seven feet. We are already going to be cutting out some of this rock. Give me a bit a layout of the architecture though. What is what's what's going on in the building? What do they Oh, the building is going to be individually like self storage for contractors. So, you can rent out a unit, keep all your equipment, materials, products, whatever. Sort of like one of the previous applicants this evening. One of the applicants this evening was had a plumbing business that similar. So, here you would have nine, you know, in this case there's nine units. There'd be nine tenants.

Yeah. [snorts] And nothing's nothing will be stored outside. It's everything is to be enclosed inside the building. So, it's going to be like roll up garage doors like larger doors of sorts. Actually, it's like a I think like a 12 by 12, but it's there's more glass. There's glass doors involved and there's woodwork in front. It has like a Norwegian look to the building. Okay. Which is nice. Do you have a rendering of the building? Excuse me. Do you have a rendering of the building? I did not bring one tonight, but there is one that we presented to the planning board. I don't think I don't remember seeing anything, Mike. That's why there's nothing in the packet here, but not it's you said Norwegian style.

Well, you would have in essence you because it's a long Yeah, you're looking at 300 ft of frontage. So, what what these things are right here are um planters, wetland planters. So they're basically like four feet off the ground. So the roof runoff comes down into these planters. You've got tree little trees, shrubs, wetland related vegetation that'll be growing in here.

Um you'd have a garage door opening there and then an actual door opening into the unit. From the garage door to that door, it would be a there'd be like a wood facade placed on the metal building just to change in contrast, different material. So it it it has a nice look to it. So both lots will be merged into one common lot and then um is there any way we could bring the those the front facade back? I mean you're going to lose some square footage, but to make it comply a little more Well, that was that was my headache. It was like I'm running into that rock facing like the front elevation of the building itself. Make them smaller. Oh sh the building,

right? So you can comply with that setback. It it would just it it would just be this one. This is the only corner. Is that right? It's not the entire building. It's just it's just this clamp unit. All right. What's the uh Hold on. What's the length of that? They were all the same. Sorry, I wasn't clear on that. But it is

this is this is the setback line right through here. Yeah. Yeah. So if you're you're guessing I'm guessing 70 by 210 half of 210 is 107 and 1/2 ft. Yeah. That's that's the square footage out of the 20,000 ft of building. So yeah, I got you. That that makes sense. It's minimal because it's sitting the building. Yeah. All right. So, it's not like the whole building is is No. Forward to the property line. No, it was just it was just that corner. Plus, that's an all pretty much all commercial road back there anyway. Right. Yes. On the opposite side of the street is the um the CN D. Yes. Tom

recycling the old time recycling facility. the dog um ASPC dogs are over here and then you have Charlie Evans's site is right there. Okay. And he was before this board several, you know, about a year ago, I think. And the planning board's been asking for that farm look along there, too. So, they're trying to dress up that area a little bit. Yeah, that's good. So, it's less commercialized, but a little mix of residential kind of tinge to it. All right, John. Any questions, comments? Questions? No questions. Rose down here. You guys are good. Will, you're the caramel guy. Come on. You got something.

So, is there anything behind the building or is it just going to back up? You know, you have to leave a driveway of some sort for emergency grass, right there. There's about 15t space that we're able to provide it to get around the building. And at the top of the top of the hill is the bike way. So, the bikeway runs along the entire back of this property. That's right. And then you just have woods going up to dangerous bike what would be you know ever road or whatever that is you know several hundred feet away. So this is going to replace what is currently like a quarry has been operating as it looks like a quarry basically you saw the pictures right? Yes.

This is two of the lots that are the quarry. Okay. It's replacing that. Yeah. All right. Anybody from the public have any questions or comments on this application? Ma'am, you have to come up. I got to swear you in. And you got to state your name and address. Speak into the microphone, please. And when you leave, just write your name and address and and uh contact info. Hi, how are you? Good. Uh Stacy Lopez, um 42 Bayabyp, New York. Um I work at Putinham Humane Society. All right, raise your right hand. Swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing about the truth. So we'll help you God. I do. Thank you.

So my question, this is a storage [cough] unit that you're put putting up. Yes, they're storage units. So in other words, a contractor would bring in his um a trailer, if he had a backhoe on it, he could store that inside the the garage unit. If he had a cement mixer, he'll bring that inside and store it. Everything's going to be inside. He stated nothing outside, right? So these are all big powerful equipment going in there. A lot of

not necessarily. No, you could have like a plumber can store his material in there. You can have a carpenter make a little shop with his wood and whatnot or, you know, pretty much for trades people, a landscaper to put his equipment in. No one's going to be actually operating there. It's just storage for that type of Yeah. No, just trucks going in. It's storage. It's not a uh storage area for trucks, vans. It could be anything. It could be anything dealing with the trades or landscaping, anything you know a contractor would use.

Okay. So, just wanted to address you guys. Thank you for hearing me. I'm not supposed to be here. Michelle Dugan is supposed to be here, but she had emergency surgery with her husband. So, unfortunately, I'm here and I'm the worst speaker ever. So, can I just read you guys something? Absolutely.

Okay. Um, and this was just all off the cuff this morning. Um, so I'm on here behalf of the animal shelter and the staff and all of us that care for the dogs. As you know, construction's being on the property directly behind us. While we understand the importance and the progress of development in Putinham, we've been there for 20 years. We get it. We know things change. Um, I have to bring your attention to the serious and immediate impact on the noise level that's having on our dogs and our our cats. Over the past several weeks, months, um, we have seen a clear troubling change in our animals behavior. The constant loud noise, heavy machinery, drilling, trucks, movement in and out of the roads have created [clears throat] an environment for our dogs that they're fearful and stressed inside of their home. This is where they live. The dogs who were confidence dogs that would love to go out are now scared dogs that do not want to leave their kennels. Um they pace back and forth. They're very anxious. Um many hesitate to step out of the runs. One particular dog, Val, that has lived there their numerous amount of years used to enjoy her daily walks, her enrichment. Now she will not go to the gate. She refuses to go any further. She spends her day curled up inside of her igloo in her house, frightened to go for a walk. And she's not alone on this. It's becoming a pattern to our dogs at the shelter. It's important to recognize the the noise effect of our animals. And it's

different from humans to people. Of course, dogs and cats here in higher intensity and [clears throat] across a broader range of frequency. So that seems to be tolerant for us is overwhelming for our dogs and painful for them. They're living a life of painful. This prolonged progress exposes the taking a toll on their immediate physically and mental health. Many of these animals already come to us with trauma and instability in their lives. We don't have much to offer them except for their daily walks and enrichment and human interaction. We are deeply concerned not only about the current situation, but also about the future that holds the construction that's going around with heavy trucks and trafficking increasing. without support or adjustment to this construction plan and what's going to be further in the future. We speak upon their health, their safety, and my staff's safety at risk. Thank you for your time, your attention, and support. I mean, we're karma. We've been there for years. Um,

I just appreciate you guys listening to me. Okay. Um, just write your name and address and contact info, please. Um, we understand your your your concern here. Um, suffice to say that construction shouldn't be more than 7 8 months, Paul, right? To build the place. Probably less because I would say this would be probably less. Yeah. Because you're not digging a lot. You go, you're all flat land relatively. You're not going to be hammering any rock. Basically, butler type buildings, right? Yes. Maybe the loudest noise would be swinging of a hammer or or not even. They're probably going to be using screw guns for uh

Yeah, this construction that's going to take place on this lot, these two lots is a lot different from what's going on next door to you where they're driving piles because that was wetland. So, they're looking to put in footings and foundations to hold their building up so it doesn't sink. And that's and they've been doing that now for quite a while. and they've had the massive retaining walls that they had [clears throat] to build and that was just part of and parcel of the development of that Tomkins site. But there'll be nowhere near that kind of noise generated from from the building on this site.

And suffice to say it would be temporary. Like I said, maybe six six months, right? Worst case. Beyond that, you're not going to have any operating noise. You might have a truck backing up with a beep beep beep alarm or whatever, but that's the extreme I think you're going to hear. Yeah. Um and even when I got this, I I've seen the tree service. Um, so I was like, wait, what are they doing? Are they so I was a little wasn't sure about are they making the tree service bringing it over there?

No, they're they they have a they have a construction. Their yard is is actually on Stonley Avenue and that's going to remain there. There's no there's not going to be a yard here in essence where you're going to have outdoor storage. Um, trees being brought in and cut or anything like that that takes place up the street from you. There's none of [clears throat] that brought over to you can't have Yeah, it's a temporary inconvenience. Think think of be temporary. Very temporary.

Think of the self storage that's up the street from you on on the south side. It's similar to that except instead of it being people bringing their belongings and putting it in storage. It's got to be a contractor coming in to pick up a piece of equipment, something that he needs on a particular job that day. Otherwise, he's leaving it in that unit and because he doesn't have anywhere else to put it. So it's it's picture picture picture picture picture picture picture picture picture picture picture picture picture picture picture picture picture picture picture picture picture picture a carpenter buying um a boatload of wood right to maximize scale of cost he could store it here and pull it as he needs it right or you know something to that effect you not going to have a lot of loud

operations but I get to even the more the traffic you [clears throat] know I get that's all going to be for sale I don't even know how much he has left or how he's going to go further but just please when you guys approve stuff think of us think of you know We missed the board missed it on what's going on across the street. We They blew it, you know. So now we have to live with that, you know. I don't know how we're going to do that. I don't know how we're going to do that. What's going on there, but if somebody else comes up before you guys for the next lot that's going on, please just consider us and the animals. We will, you know, course, please. I really appreciate that. Okay. Thank you.

Thanks. All right. Anybody else in the public wish to be heard? Quarry activities kind of slow down with because, you know, you're now building on the lot instead of, you know, constantly digging up wood, um, stone and stuff like that. Yeah, the quarrying operation is pretty much centered down on lot one right now. And actually, I'm in I I've made a submission to the planning board for lots two and three, which I'm going to be bringing ultimately here for because we're going to combine those two lots. You want to give us a heads up?

I'm giving you advanced notice. But again, that that development would will be pretty much at grade. So, you're just looking at foundations being excavated, just pinning to existing rock. Yeah. It's actually it's not even existing rock because the rock's been taken out. So now you've got, you know, a sandy grally soil. So you're just excavating footing, foundation, and you're putting your metal metal building up and you're done. And drilling though, I mean, all the drilling no

no all that all that part of the when Schultz was was excavating all this out and drilling and blasting, all that work's over with. Down here, he's pretty much finished. He's just taking out the the end of it, which is down by the Putnham County. Um, I think that's the records building down there. So, she should see some relief soon if the the major escavation and it's coming to an end. There's no relief. I don't know if we're ever or never we're never going to get a relief. The dogs are never going to get a relief. That location is not a great location to have.

It was We have We've been there for almost 40 years. It was It was a good location. It was a quiet location. Should we bought all of it? Yeah, we probably should have bought all of it when it went up for sale when he started mining it. We couldn't afford that. We bought what we could, you know, that's all we could we would have loved to bought all of it, of course, but we bought what we could, you know. We couldn't buy it all, [clears throat] you know, and and the dogs have had to gone through the blasting, you know. Remember years ago they were blasting where they would call us on the phone and say, "Hey, get ready. It's going to be blasting." We would have to run all those dogs in, you know. So,

it's tough. They've been here before anybody else, you know. They've been here, you know, it's their home. It's theirs, you know. There's not much for them. This is theirs, you know. So, just trying to protect them. I understand. And and we can't afford to go any place else, you know. We've tried to look for other places, but we we can't afford to go any move. Everybody's like, "Move." I'm like, "We can't move. We can't move. So, I'm just asking you guys guys to protect them. I appreciate it a lot. All right. Thank you. All right. That's it from the board and anybody in the public? We're good. All right. Look for a motion to close the hearing. Motion close. Second.

Second. All in favor? I. Okay. Thank you, Paul. You're on the next application, too, as well, right? Yes. [clears throat]

All right. spot here. All right. Application number five, Russell Betier for variation of section 156-9, seeking a variance for permission to subdivide our 1898 acre parcel into two individual lots. Property is located at 103 Pigot Road, Caramel, New York. Tax map 76.12-1-5. So lot area for one code requires lot area for lot one is 120,000 square feet what's provided is 41,27 so variance of 78792 lot one width is 200 ft being requ is required existing or proposed is 147.6 so a variance of 52.4 lot one frontage is 40ft setback would exist would be proposed as 39.8 8 ft. So a variance of 0.2 ft is being sought. Bot two area width is 120 square ft. Again what would exist is 41469 and a variance of 78 again 530. Uh and lot two width would is again required 200 what would be provided is 147.8 and a variance of 52.2 feet. Okay. You're already sworn in. You're going to be speaking, sir?

Yes. All right. State your name and address for record. Mark Bunet, 8 Crane Road, Carmel, New York. Raise your right hand. Swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. So help you God. I do. Thank you. All right. Paul, you want to bring us through this the history here? And yes, this this is actually a residual lot

from [clears throat] a subdivision that was created back in 1955. There were actually two plats that were um filed back one I think in 55 and the other in 56. The the plat that was filed in 55 dealt with properties on the north end which was from this property back down to um Croen Falls Road. And the 56 subdivision dealt with properties from the south side from was what was created as this line going in in the the southerntherly direction. So Mlaughlin Acres is pro is pretty much a subdivision that has lots averaging about six to seven ten of an acre in size. And this is one of these things where the Bunes actually purchased this lot on the northern side back in 55 or 56.

The first one. Yeah. Yep. The first lot. So they bought this property, built a house. Mary Mc Mary Mclaclin subdivided that off, sold this residual lot to a family who then in turn a couple years later 1962 sold it to the McGlaclin and they built [clears throat] this house. Sold it to the Bunes. Uh the Bunes, I'm sorry. So they sold it to the Bunes and the Bunes then built a house and moved into into that house on this 1.898 acre lot. So the one house still exists on that lot one. Yes. Yes. And lot two you proposed.

Yeah. So the the one variance is because the existing house is 38.8 ft and the requirement is for 40. That's where that 210 of a foot comes from. It's like 3 in. Yeah. Um. All right. So that that house is still in the family still Yes. owned by you or your parents or Oh, no. My parents have both passed but it's owned by uh the children. There's five of us. Okay. And actually your dad just passed away. Just passed a few months ago. Yeah. So this this process it started over a year ago. So he was active in this because this is something he's been trying to do since he bought the property back in this back in the 60s.

So like five years ago my father had a stroke and his desire was to live out his remaining years in that house and he was limited to assets. So, we thought, let's let's sell this piece, get some funds, and help him if he needs to stay in that house for nursing care at the house. Mhm.

So, that's what started it. And, uh, a friend of mine has told me, he says, since the town is seems to be more um seems to be more uh receptive to this type of these types of things. And uh also that they um they also allow now accessory apartments. He said you should try it [clears throat and cough] cuz my father I guess back in 2000 which is this drawing here. He had started the process back in 2000 to subdivide. Yeah we have the minutes. Yeah. And I think at that time that's when the moratorum came in and then ultimately

Sony got changed to blanket three acres and Yeah. So he was discouraged and then um he just got used to the the vacant piece next to him. He said it offered some privacy for him and uh he had a garden there and blueberry bushes and stuff like that. So all right. So the lot sizes are actually bigger than what's existing and around. Correct. This this is the current lot here in green

and these are the surrounding lots that were the subdivision lots based on the the McGlaclin subdivision. So basically you're looking at 76.58 that's an acre 87. Um, so in terms of the subdivision itself, it really fits in with the character of the neighborhood because it's it was basically a residual piece of property that was not, believe it or not, was the way they did things back then was not part of either subdivision, right? Which is in today's world, we don't do it that way, but back then they did. So this gives you a better picture.

Yeah. Also, um the original deed when my father when my parents purchased that property and I have copies here uh said that that property piece of property was uh [clears throat] for two single family homes. I have copies of that if you if you want to see it. They have Yeah. So the you know the concept back then was Yeah, we know that they have it already. Yeah. Yeah. So the concept back then was that when Mary sold it originally, the larger lot, she was assuming it was going to get resubdivided. You know, this is now we're talking 70 years ago, right? And she had put it in the deed that yeah, you could have two houses on that lot,

even though it still would have to go through planning board process back then. But, you know, the the the frame framework, the groundwork was already laid down for for Russell, his dad, that yeah, you you can resubdivide this lot. We're not constraining you to you got to you're buying it and this is what it's going to be. So in in general then when you go back and look at it, it fits the fabric of what's going on around it very similar to the the the presentation I made for Cass months ago. Absolutely.

So Paul, let me just I'll go through the area variance, right? one stands will um or criteria will an undesirable change in character of the neighborhood or a detriment to the nearby properties be created by granting of the variance? No. Again, there two larger lots out of the whole neighborhood. Can any other method be used that does not require variance but still allow for the benefit requested? The existing house, right, is is um not, you know, needs a variance, right, because of the front setback. So, I don't think that's an issue. Um, is proposed variant substantial? Again, no, it's not any larger than what's around in the neighborhood. Will the proposed variance have an adverse effect or impact on physical environmental conditions in a neighborhood or district? Again, I think it's well within similarity to the other lots, right?

Yes. It does not. I don't Yeah. Is the alleged difficulty self-created? I don't think so. The lot was a larger lot when it was bought originally, right? It was larger before the uh the threeacres zoning, right? And they've owned it for, you know, 63 years. Yeah. So, just so you guys take that into consideration when we judicate. All right. Do you guys have any questions? Do you have to put another well out there for water?

Yeah, [clears throat] we would. Yeah. Actually, as part of the planning board process, which was one of the reasons that it's taken a while for us to get here, they wanted us to prove out with the health department that we could put in a septic system. Well, it meets current code requirements. We've done that testing. It's it's complete and we have satisfactory results. So, this lock can support a three-bedroom home. Yeah. Know, it's a nice piece of property. Been been out there. That's good. Yeah. He's my father's been offered several times from people driving by to sell it to him. sell it, but he he always refused. So, all right. Rose got anything? No questions. Good down here. No questions. All right. Anybody in the public wish to be heard on this application?

All right. Look for a motion to close the hearing. So, move second. Second. All in favor? I. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you guys.

All right. Our last case tonight is um John Lemons for a variation of section 156-9 seeking variance to add five self storage buildings code change created not nonconformity. The property is located at 100 Bucks Hollow Road Mopac and tax map 75.2-20-75 76 77 and 78. So the code requires or allows lot coverage of 45%. What's provided is 71% as what's proposed and a variance of 26% would be sought. The old code required building coverage and it was only structures that counted. Now it includes uh sidewalks, driveways, parking areas, everything.

We're going to have we're going to have this all over the place. This is going to be coming. Wow. It's lot coverage, not building coverage anymore. Okay. Good evening. Good evening. State your name and address. Adam Thyberg, Inside Engineering, Three Garrett, Place Carmel. All right, raise your right hand. Swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. I do. Is anyone else going to be speaking with you tonight or uh I'm joined by the applicant, uh, Jack Lemons. He he may or may not speak depending on All right, that's fine. No, unless you come up, we'll swear you in if and when. Um, okay. Bring us through what's what's going on here.

Sure. So, we're here tonight as as Mike was mentioning to just clean up the file on a pre-existing non-conforming condition at 100 Bucks Hollow Road in the corridor business zone. Uh where the applicant owns and operates an industrial park which houses various trades and industrial uses. Um the applicant as again as was mentioned um has a project before the planning board seeking the approval uh to construct five self- storage buildings on the property. This is not like the previous applicant this evening about. This is this would be self storage. It's more residential self storage open to the public. Yep.

Um so as [clears throat] part of the site plan approval process for that project, it was noted that uh as as Mike had mentioned, there's a new code requirement uh for the site that was adopted just earlier this year as part of the new zoning code. Uh so as as was mentioned uh lot coverage is basically permits a certain percentage of a given property to be to be developed with uh with buildings and pavement. Um in the corridor business zone the maximum permitted lot coverage is 45%. Uh the site currently contains 76% and the project that's before the planning board proposes to reduce that to 71%. So I'll go through the five criteria but before I do that just to emphasize a few points. Uh, one, the lot coverage on site is existing. It long predates this new requirement. Um, and the site has existed in its current configuration for many years. Two, the proposed project does not create any new lot coverage. So, the entirety of the project lies within an area that's already counted as lot coverage. Um, three, the proposed project uh will provide a reduction in the lot coverage that exists that exists now. Adam, if I may, what would be being removed to bring those numbers down?

So, right now, the lot coverage includes, you know, basically all the parking in here, obviously, the buildings, uh, this area through here, which kind of comes back to a a barricade on the end here. This is all paved with asphalt millings.

There's a little path that comes down here that is the same. And then down here as well, you've got asphalt millings that would count as lot coverage. That area, the millings are going to be removed in favor of a uh storm water management practice associated with the with the proposed project. So, it's another benefit. I was going to mention it later, but the the other benefit of this is that part of the project is going to include a storm water management practice where there isn't one now. So, in other words, we'll be collecting runoff and it'll be treated with these practices that don't that don't exist currently. Uh, in addition to the reduction in overall block coverage and impervious surface. Will the dry hydrant still be there? I Yes.

You said fire hydrant. It's a dry hydrant. They can pump water out to help anywhere in the area if they need it. Right there. There's a pond at the bottom and there's a it's a 4 inch line that goes down, I believe, and they tie the truck right to it and just draw the water out if needed. Okay. It's good to have. Um so just to uh hit one one other item. Um the proposed project is also otherwise wholly zoning compliant. So the need for this variance wasn't precipitated by was was pre precipitated by the adoption of the new code uh not by anything related to the proposed project itself. [clears throat] Um so if you'd like I can buzz through the five criteria quickly. Um

sure. So there'll be no undesirable change to the character of the neighborhood as this is an existing condition. Uh as a result of the site plan before the planning board uh the lot coverage will be decreased from what [clears throat] exists. uh and there's no new lot coverage associated with the project. Sorry. Uh two, there's uh no opportunity to achieve the proposed benefit through other methods. Um as there's four existing lots that are already being proposed to be merged. Those are the four lots that the the owner controls. Uh so there's no way to add additional land uh to get that percentage down. Um, three, there'll be no adverse uh effect on the physical or environmental conditions of the neighborhood. As was mentioned before, we're going to have a reduction in impervious and in lot coverage, and we're going to be adding storm water management, collection, and and uh and management practices. [snorts] Um, for uh whether the request is substantial. So the request is not substantial in that lock coverage is a newly created requirement. Um that this pro that this property hasn't been held to until uh earlier this year. Uh so the existing lot uh coverage in question again long predates the adoption of this ordinance and and uh again we're going to have a reduction from what currently exists. And then finally uh whether it was self-created. the difficulty was not self-created um as the uh existing non uh nonconformity um that condition again long predates the code that was adopted earlier this year.

All right. So was this project in in force prior to the change and acceptance of the new code? It was not. Okay. So [snorts] knowing that and you develop this design based on it would you want to try to comply with these new codes right I mean 45% is pretty [snorts] pretty decent number right for lots to not be covered well my question is all right if you could take some of what you're taking out reduce some of the sizes of these buildings right to

our our job is to grant the minimum possible right for the best interest of of the town and and the neighboring surrounding neighbors, right? So, can something be done to reduce the size of the buildings to minimize that number?

Yeah. So, the the size of the buildings there comes I mean I think what the what the criteria speaks to or can can the can the benefit be be reached through other means. Um there's definitely a limit to how much the buildings can be reduced before there isn't a worthwhile project. the you know again we are seeing a reduction in terms of uh lot coverage that's being removed in in certain areas but the other areas we we do need to retain for the required parking for the ability to circulate through the site safely uh you know and other in other things where there we would have a hard time finding other areas to to reduce that lot coverage and and and meet the benefit that's being sought by the applicant.

Mike question for you. Could Could some of that be achieved like some of the hard um Macadam or Madam uh areas be changed out for open cell uh pavers of some sort? It's still paved. It's still paved, right? It's still considered paved. It's still approved is what the code said if I remember correctly. Right. Yeah. What the what the applicant would be open to is is keeping it as uh asphalt millings instead of doing a hard pavement. I think there's there's areas where where you know we could certainly asphalt milling is essentially being like gravel that's made of of broken up asphalt.

Uh rather than coming in and doing a hard pavement, you know, I think the applicant could consider certain of the areas that are just for parking or something like that to remain as a gravel or an as asphalt millings to to to have some amount of of uh permeability. Permeable. Yeah. What's proposed to go inside the uh five buildings? It's self storage. It's commercial. Is it open to the public? It it's open to the public. So, they'll there are I I forget the number of units, but there'll be individual units like you see at a, you know, a regular self-s storage uh location. Uh and it'll just be for the for the public. They'll rent their space. They'll come and go, leave their things, pick up things. It'll just be like a regular self- storage operation.

How many individual units are are in each structure? I It varies because the the size of the buildings are are uh are different. And I think we have 158 is the total number. Four looked uh well, three of them look exactly the same, but there's there's two a little smaller. [snorts] Yeah, it's 158 total units. Um I unless it's noted on the plan. Yeah, we don't have we don't have the unit counts on the for the individual buildings, but the total is 158. Have they done any research on whether there's a need for this? Because we just had a massive building built in Baldwin Place. We have right across the street on Route Six, there's self storage. There's storage everywhere.

Yeah. I can't imagine you're gonna have need. I would hate to see you put these buildings up. And then Yeah, I think I think there's there there has been a massive need. It is it is being gradually um met, [clears throat] but you know, the applicant is looking to make the investment and I and the research has shown that there's Sure. Yeah. Why don't you speak to to that? Hello. Well, happy holidays everybody. Just state your name and address for the right. Uh John Lemons, uh 30 Crest Road, uh May pack, New York. All right, raise your right hand. Swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. So help you God. I do. Yeah.

Um yeah. So the application that we're filing here, it's in question the blacktop, uh the shrinking of the parking lot that we already have pre-existing. Uh we had a co from you guys in 2003 on the pre-existing parking lot that's there. Sorry, excuse me. We have a pre-existing uh parking lot that we're going to shrink. We're going to make it smaller and uh the buildings are single level uh residential. Uh people are going to come in, drop stuff off, stuff like that. Uh we do have impact studies on the area. The area is exploding with town houses and smaller residences, uh stuff like that. People don't have land anymore. It's all developed. So, this is going to be an outlet. The proposal is under 30,000 ft. It's like 20 something 28 and change. Uh those units are all different configurations. I can slide the inside unit. I can make one, you know, 40 by 20. I can make the other one 10 x 10. So roughly it's going to be about 159 units. But that varies, you know, it could be 130. It depends on who wants bigger sizes, who wants smaller units. But um the we're happy to do whatever as far as new asphalt, uh pavers, uh you know, recycled black top. We prefer to put the investment in and make it nice, you know, do all asphalt, stripe it, make it look beautiful, and finish off the industrial park. Uh, we are going to put the money in. I mean, we're doing a, you know, retention pond. [clears throat] We're going to be striping it, and we want to offer it to the community as something that's beautiful, something that's nice for us, and it goes congruent with whatever all the stuff we already currently have. We have big warehouses there. They're blue. They're, you know, it's a construction industrial park. Uh, we're just going to cap off our property. and this is the last, you know, thing to do. There's no more land left. So, as far as our lot coverage goes, we are proposing to shrink it, put more money, make it look nicer, and have a quieter operation and get away from all the truck traffic and industrial, you know, businesses that

are the nature of our property. So, that's that's pretty much that. Mike, what was what was the nature for that change in in percentage lot coverage? I don't know. Was it driven by permeability and rain? Uh, runoff. Yeah, runoff. And the code says impervious surfaces including buildings, roofed areas, paved surfaces, pa areas. But I guess if it's pvious. So if you guys would agree to bring down the, you know, put some pvious pavers in some of your areas that may help. I mean, that would that would lower the area. If you would like us to put pavers down, we could do that. I pref I mean we would like to do it beautifully with you know nice asphalt and make it look nice but I'll do whatever you guys want.

Yeah. You have a parking lot right that's for I guess peripheral parking right. If someone's going to come up to a unit they're going to drive up to it right? Yes. Yeah. They're all drive up. There's no indoor stuff like that. So that additional parking area that around the retaining wall is meant for what? For this is just parking. This is extra uh parking space. We actually shaved. We didn't want to go for a building variance. So, we eliminated a building. We're down to five buildings. We started with six. So, this was the sixth building in question. We didn't want to even go for an additional variance for buildings. We didn't want to make it a simple project. You need the parking, too, right? This

Well, the parking is a it's it's a plus, but we're still shrinking our lot coverage by 5 percentage points even with this. So, we're still smaller than our footprint where we're on right now since 2003 when the last co on our property for that parking area. You make that open pavers, right? Just for that parking. And then the rest of the between the buildings can be asphalt, right? So if you guys would Yeah. I mean, if you want this area here notched out as far as So uh I'm trying to think of the name of it was called Well, we used to do this. We used to sell all this material through Unilock. It was called the Turf Stone back in the day. I'm not too sure the terminology, you know, Cameron's Deli and Caramel. It's their parking lots. That's you know, that was one of our projects. But

the library has it. Yeah, the library has it. Yep. We could do that here. Knock off this section and do it. Um, to be honest with our storm water plan that we had we have proposed here. I don't know if that's going to that's a better question for Adam. I don't know if that's going to affect it with the pavers compared to the asphalt with the with the way that we have everything pitched properly. I'm not familiar with the topography there, but does that slope back? Yes, this is relatively flat. There's a there's a little bit of a ridge line that comes through here and it and it pitches a little bit that way and a little bit that way, but it's not dramatic. But there's a huge drop right beyond that behind here. Yes. Retaining. That's all your property. That's our property as well. Drops down. Correct. Yeah.

And you have you have storm drains and catch basins that collect and post construction storm water management. Um we could we could look at that option. Now Mike, you're saying that if we went to a porous option, we could reduce that from our percentage. So do we need to go back and figure out what that would become of the lot area which shall include the total horizontal area of all imperous surfaces including buildings and

so I guess my question is do we do we go forward and is is a variance granted at the 71% with the condition that that a certain portion of the site use porous asphalt or do we need to come back and recalculate that number come back and recalcul calculate. Yeah, I'm I'm thinking um Yeah, I want to see it recalculated. Better way to deal with it excluding the porest pavers that we're potentially going to offer. Correct. And obviously it's a cell. There's some solid portion of it, but there's open cells, right? So, you have to factor that in.

Yeah. I mean, my thought is just like this whole back area, right? And even whatever this distance is between the buildings, I can't even read it with glasses. At least 20 ft. Whatever that distance is, you maintain that same distance in front of these buildings and then the rest of that is okay. Pervious just so that we're not having this conversation next [clears throat] month. If if in looking at it we determine something other than a permeable pa like a stabilized asphalt or a stabilized gravel or some other more porous option porous asphalt or porous asphalt or there's lots of ways to do this such an animal. Yeah. Would those options also be found acceptable or

I think I would interpret it as such. Yeah. Speak to me first before you we'll talk and we'll figure it out. Yeah. Mike I just the only reason I think why this code changed to that was because of that reason. right? Environmental purposes. So that's where I'm kind of gearing this to again so if that if that helps reduce this number again our plight is to grant the minimum possible. Understood. And and and I understand that from a zoning perspective from a storm water perspective. I do want to make it clear that the site will uh comply with all state regulations with regards to storm water and and and managing runoff from the site that's currently not managed. Your license runs on that buddy. I'm a landscape architect. So,

what about the use of underground uh storage for water? You know, like the system that has almost a zero runoff. That doesn't help them with this number. They need to get something that's not that is impervious. I mean, is not impervious, right? Okay. Has to be pvious. Okay. From what I understand in the past, you stored mulch all along that back line. You will not be selling the mulch anymore.

No, that's what we're trying to get away from. All the truck traffic and all the construction, everything. Uh we were in the mulch business for about 25 years. It was a good business. Fed us, clothed me, you know, put us to school. Um we are getting away from it to develop our property. Uh we're getting older, moving on. Uh doing different things. The trucking business is still there. Uh my father and my brother have a trucking company. Um they're like, you know, four or five trucks. They park up here. And um it's a quiet operation. The self-s storage thing is quiet. It's uh Well, I I I could say I live not far from there and I do hear a lot of noise coming at six o'clock in the morning sometimes from that area. I don't know who it is. Yeah, it's trucks. Yeah, it's

Yeah, that's why we're trying to get away from that. We're trying to help the everybody out. And uh you know, for us as the land as the land owner and stuff like that, it's profitable for us to go in this route compared to the loud noisy route. So, yeah, we're just cleaning up, as Mike would say, cleaning up the file. We're cleaning up the file. Um, as far as our lock coverage goes, personally as a resident of this town, uh, I don't know understand how all these shopping centers are going to go away with their lock coverage now. Everyone's out of code then. The every shopping center and convenience store and everything is completely covered with black top. They're grandfathered when they come in. Yeah. When they come in, they're going to have the same problem. That's what I said earlier. So, they're all going to have the same Thank you, Mike. When they go to

Yeah. They're all going to be up here. So that's why for me we we are happy to do whatever you guys want but I feel that this is going to be a recurring problem that you guys are going to be seeing. Yeah. Our planning board does a great job. They help work you guys along and develop these plans to be smart and you know considerate of what the town's needs are and and and whatnot but I don't know they always consider everything. So just in my mind Yeah. I think that would help reduce that number coverage wise.

Okay. And we got to be careful here because this could be Pandora's box, right? This is the first application like this coming in front of us. So, we want to be smart about it. And you know, each each case is judged on its own merits and set of conditions and what have you. I could see the need for this, right? You just explained that there is a need for this in in the community. Um, so we want to help you get to that point, but we want to do it smart. Okay. What is the existing lot coverage as it is right now? 76%. 76.

And we had a co for occupancy on our last building in 2003 with 76% lot coverage and nothing has changed since then. So we're I mean [clears throat] like you said, everyone's grandfathered in. I feel personally I feel we're we're in the same category as far as grandfathered in. Since 2003 we have a CO. We've been operating business out of there since then. That's And you are in if you don't touch it. If we don't touch it. I get that. I get that. I know. It's like It's like the Adam and Eve touching the apple, you know? I get it. I get it. But yeah, we're not trying to do nothing crazy. It's all single level buildings. I don't know if you guys have the renderings. They're blue. They match what we're doing. It's, you know, quiet. We're getting away from loud noises. And I don't think we have renderings in in the renovation. I did bring a copy.

We have a copy of so you guys can get a view. What is the thought for what you will do with five five buildings if three don't get rented? What will you do with those other three buildings? Have you thought about it?

Uh well, yeah. As far as far as uh our personal uh businesses and stuff like that go. Uh we have a lot of warehouse space already and our tenants need more space to store stuff. I have a, you know, motorcycle shops, car guys, stuff like that. In this area, uh there's a lot of jet skis and boats and stuff like everyone that lives on the lake. Um, we've I have a list of clients that I mean, if we have if I as soon as the buildings you guys give me the COS on them, as soon as I get the COS, I can get them rented within probably 60 to 90 days. Um, the impact studies um that were done in our area. There's a reason why money is going in this direction because there's a demand for it. Uh, the project in Balden Place, there was a project in Smers on Route 100. Um, it's kind of supply and demand. There's a demand for it now. I'm not saying there's going to be a demand forever, but for now there is.

I just have two questions. Um, the first one is, is there an office associated with this? Cuz I think the other ones generally have like a a separate building. So, if you look at the building right here, building five, the office is going to be in the bottom right corner, which is pre-existing. It's a pre-existing building with a two-level office. um has like a little loft and you know regular entrance and stuff like that. Are people going to be able to come in here at all times of night or is it just certain hours?

Uh I believe it's going to be a certain hour operation. We're going to have it all fenced off gated with a punch code and um we're mom and pop. I don't see us doing 24 hours a night. We're small, you know, we're a small family. I hope I'm not there at 9:30 at night, you know, letting people in the cage. Considering you guys can't control that or you can control that, but considering some of the neighbors around there, right? Someone's going in at 10 o'clock at night, they're leaving their high beams on. Well, right now, I mean, garage,

I don't know if you guys are familiar with our industrial park or anything like that. But right now, people go in, they turn around, they park vehicles and stuff like that. All I mean, they're they're at 5:30 in the morning, 6 a.m., you know, and those are loud, big equipment. That's allowed stuff. We're trying to get away from that. We're trying to do people putting Christmas lights away, you know, stuff like that. I like to ideally have it where it's a residential thing. People come in in a car, you know, they pull between the little things here, they have a parking spot they can park, go get whatever they need to get and uh mosey on home. These things aren't big enough to have anything major in there. There are only 8ft tall ceilings, 9 foot tall ceilings. It's like 8 and 8 and 3/4, whatever. You're not putting a massive vehicle in there. You can't even fit an RV inside of it. So, whatever is going to be there is going to be relatively small and you have to carry it. I mean, it's going to be, you know, relatively quiet. Um, that's our goal.

All right. You guys good on the board? Does the pavement go around the entire building? Because there's a there's an arrow between the 5600 and the 4100 foot and it says proposed end of payment payment. 56. You're looking at this one right here. 56 between those two. Yeah. So it says the end of p pavement. So it it kind of indicates that pavement would end at that point. Yeah. We're show we're showing asphalt um directly around the buildings and in the center drive aisle and the remainder would remain as the existing uh asphalt.

Yeah. So it's going to be pavement up to the building with a gap for little landscaping uh maybe some facade, whatever. That's where it says end of pavement right there. That gap. Am I correct with that? Yeah. Yeah. So, so the the asphalt would would wrap directly around the buildings and would and would be in the central aisle. The remainder of that would remain as the to this point has been shown as to remain as the compacted millings. Yeah. So that arrow is not the end of the driveway. It's just the end up a little gap between the building and the pavement. Yes. Yeah. All right. No questions.

All right. You guys good here? Anybody in the public wish to be heard on this application? Sir, can you give him a mic, please? Bill Stein, 98 Bloomer Road. And in Can you raise your right hand, please? Swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, nothing but the truth. So, we'll help you God. I do. Thank you. Okay. I've heard a lot of good things. I didn't expect it to be that good. Can you guys just just address the board though, please? All right. Well, okay. Still I've heard a lot of good things which I didn't expect to hear. I just need some clarifications, I guess. Um, you said this is a onestory building. Yeah, one one level flat roof. Okay. It's going to be I mean has a little pitch, but virtually flat.

Okay. Is there any impact to the residents living there? You guys should not be able to see it whatsoever. On Bloomer Road, uh we have a bunch of landscaping, uh, pine trees and stuff like that that will be in place. There's stuff that's currently in place, but from Bloomer, I know just where you guys are, you'll you'll never see it. The buildings that are currently there, the peaks are 28 ft. 25 story buildings here. You're never going to see it. Yeah. I'm the second house on Bloomer and I do see the buildings. Show them the rendering. This is a good rendering just to give you uh an image. Take a look of what you would see. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's good. Excellent. So, there's no need for a fence between that and the neighbors, is there?

Um, no. We were going to do it anyway. We were going to fence the entire thing off. um just for private not even privacy just security reasons with the business that we're offering. Okay, that was kind of a leading question because the stockade fence that's up at my end goes into disrepair and nobody takes care of it.

Yeah. So that's where we want to put nice black top and stuff like that. We want to put an investment into the property and redo a lot of things. Um that's where we're at here. So, as soon as we square everything away as far as permitting wise, uh we're going to be doing investments into the upkeep of the facility, not just the investment in building this, but everything surrounding as well. Uh there's fences on both sides. Uh both are going to be replaced. I already have, I don't know if you noticed, there's galvanized steel piping there for a chain link privacy fence that will be running uh completely parallel with the property. And the fence that's going to be going around there is going to be, you know, a iron bar gapped out security fence. Um, that will be I mean it's very low. You're not going to Yeah.

I mean, for the most part during the summer, you guys disappear because of all the bushes and shrubs. Yeah. But during the winter in the winter, that's I completely agree. That's why this prop the property line over here. Yeah. Take a look. So this property line right here where the fence is going, this is kind of where the fence is going right now. Yeah. Here I am. Yep. You're right here. Yeah. Yeah. So, this whole fence line I have galvanized steel uh piping already in there in place. We're going to take down the wood and redo it with galvanized u you know privacy fencing. Okay. Good stuff. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. No, not a problem. Yeah. And the board could make that a condition if you feel like granting this. Well, you said it's privacy fencing.

It's privacy f. It's chain link with the slats that go in the chain link. The slatted chain link fence. It's galvanized. It's going to last forever. That's where longevity for us. Do it once, we'll never do it again. Very good. Okay. Thank you. That's our plan. Thank you. All right. Anybody else wish to be heard? I'll look for a motion to close the public hearing on this. Are you going to hold it over to Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, I'll look for a motion to hold it over. Sorry. Motion to hold it over. Second. Do I second? All in favor? I.

All right. So, when you guys come back next month, show show us a plan. You know, in my mind, like I said, it's not maybe not only just that parking area, but there might be some other areas that you could just turn into even the millings, right? The millings are still permeating and allow. So, show us that number and what the percentages. All right. So, ju just a question of my own. You would like to have us do the uh let's call it the turf stone. Um that is the proposal you're looking for as far as more importantly is the calculation different something that makes it more impervious. Show me before you Yeah. Do we'll talk more important? Okay. Your square footage. Yeah. All right.

Thank you. Happy holidays everybody. Happy holidays too. All right. At this point there's no input on any application as we adjudicate going through this. All right. Hold over application for Medina. Look for a motion. So moved. I would uh I approve the motion. Do I have a second? Second. Do we have a discussion on this? I mean I I get it for their security purposes. Young family. What's unique about this property is they're they don't face another house. It's I I think it might be watershed.

Yeah. They're they're kind of in a a lone wolf there. Yeah. So, and they don't have a lot of people around them. So, in that sense, I don't have an issue with it. I'm not crazy. I'm never crazy about of course never never could be. But when they present the case that for security reasons for the children that tugs at your strings. Yeah. And when you look at the fact that there's nobody in front of them that's going to have to look at this, it makes it a little more palatable. All right. So, all in favor? I. All right. So, that's granted. Uh, application number two, Chris Degaspberry. We asked for a hold over, sir.

All right. Uh, application Ginsburg motion. Do I have a second? Second. No discussions. All in favor? I. All right. Uh, Liberty Bell Trucking. Look for a motion. Motion to grant. Second. Second by Juel. Any discussions? All in favor? I. All right. Uh, application number five, Russell Bunet. Motion to grant. Have a second. Second. Any discussions? All in favor? I. All right. And application number six was held over.

All right. Minutes from October 23rd. Do we have a motion to accept the minutes? Motion to accept as uh amended. It's just one small spelling. Right. We saw that. Do we have a second? Second. Any discussion? All in favor? I. All right. Do I have a motion to close the the meeting this meeting? Second. All in favor? I. All right. Merry Christmas. Happy Hanukkah, happy holidays, happy Quanza, all the good fun holiday stuff. Enjoy your families. Be safe.