City Council - Regular Meeting

Have we got everybody here? Good. Mayor,

we want to welcome everyone to the Centerville City Council meeting being held this uh first one of 2026, January 6th. It's uh one where we're going to be swearing in uh two new uh two council members and a mayor. Uh we had an outgoing council member that we just had an open house for, Councilman Summer Hayes, and we thank him for his years of service uh and the good things that uh he did for us within the city. We're looking to our uh new council uh that's coming in as well too. Um uh we are going to do a roll call uh to make sure we can conduct business starting over here with council me.

Mikum present. Haymon present. Hurst present. Plumber present.

So we have four of the five and we have the new council member Rick Banger sitting uh in the audience and uh we'll have him added to the roll call too when he's sworn in where he's allowed to do votes at that point in time. So um we're going to start with a legislative prayer thought and uh I am going to give that our father in heaven we're very grateful for the opportunity that we have to be here this evening for the freedoms that we have that we can meet in uh an open meeting like this. We can discuss things as elected officials as residents as staff. Uh we're grateful uh for those liberties uh and that freedom that we have to do that. We're mindful of events that are taking place around the world and ask that thy guiding care be be upon uh leaders of the world in what they are doing. We ask that thou may protect our city that thou may bless our first responders uh as they take their responsibilities and their own seriously. uh that uh and that we ask that we may support them as well too. We're grateful uh for the time that we have had over the past few weeks to be with family and friends and uh to celebrate with them uh and we're grateful uh our father in heaven uh once again uh for all those that serve on our behalf. And this we say in the name of thy son Jesus Christ. Amen. Um, Councilwoman Hurst will lead us in the pledge of allegiance. If you'd all rise,

please stand.

I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Before we do our uh swearing in ceremony, it's uh the open session. This is an opportunity for anyone to to come up and say uh what's on their mind, good or bad. We ask that you keep it to two or three minutes. Um, this is this is a a privilege that that we as a council and staff like like to give people to do. I've as I've gone to meetings uh since I have more of you here tonight, you get to hear from me a little bit. Um, uh, I've gone to some meetings where may some mayors and councils don't allow these open sessions anymore, but uh, we feel it's a critical thing. So, uh, we just ask you to be mindful uh, and keep your comments two or three minutes. state your name and where you're from if you're so inclined to come up. That is now open and available.

Hi council. I'm Heather Taylor and I'm um from Centerville and I'm here um representing the tree board. Sorry, I feel like I'm like slowing down the party, the celebration, interrupting. Um, Council Member Bangader, we're excited to have you here. Um, I just wanted I know that it is not on the agenda tonight to talk about the general plan, but um, I had heard that maybe it was going to be on the agenda and I might not be able to come to your next meeting or so. So, I wanted to come and speak at this point. Anyway, um the tree board and I have talked and we've also spoken with um Egot and we have some plans in place where we think we could be useful to the council um or the general plan going forward. Some things like bringing you perhaps um an administrative guide that as any future building project happens, you could refer to the administrative guide from the tree board. maybe it would recommend certain types of plants and trees for the west side versus on the east side, things like that. But we really felt as a team that we wanted to get a little bit more in on the actual general plan. And so, um, we're going to email those to everybody and email them to Mike. I have them here. If it's appropriate for me to hand them out, I can. Okay. And these are the smallest ways that we felt like you could add trees. If you do like a find and search on the general plan, I think trees comes up six times total and not one of them is all that exciting. And so we'd love to have something a little more intentional from this city. I mean, this city has been doing, we've been a tree city, a tree city, USA city, which comes with expectations and work that we have to do for 32 years. This is a city that has proven that we care about trees. And so, we really want to make sure that that gets implemented into this plan, which we know is going to be something that everyone's going to

look at. And I know the the plan, the general plan is general for a reason, but we still feel like there's some room there to just create a value statement from the city that says we care about trees and we care about the canopy or the environmental impact of trees or something like that. So, what I'll hand you is two super small little suggestions that you could add to one of those 10 goals. One was for goal three, one was for goal 10 that we think would not make it hard to fit within the neat little 10 goals that you have. But I will let you know that we are also hoping to add an actual paragraph of our own. Um just somewhere in that plan that says this city cares about trees, cares about expanding tree canopies when possible, protecting them where we have them, etc. So, when I hand this out to you, you'll see it's it's quite small what I'm adding here on goal three. It's just looks light because on my font at home, it's red, but um and so we can email it to you and it'll be very clear once you get the emails, but it's just adding the phrase expanding tree canopies into the goal that's about city parks. Or on goal 10, it's adding a sentence about strengthening and expanding its urban tree canopy to enhance community wellbeing, climate resilience, and small town atmosphere into the goal that's about conservation and environmental stewardship. And then if in addition to that we can get a little standalone paragraph, we'd love to get that. That would be our our full wish. Okay. Thank you so much. Do you have any feedback for me before I just hand these? I should

Yeah. Thanks, D.

Thank you, Heather. One thing about Heather is I talked with her yesterday and I said, "Get me what you're talking about and uh she gets right on it." Uh we appreciate her as a chair and I had a chance to talk with uh all of our chairs yesterday of our various committees and uh they were all excited and thrilled about what they were doing. So, we appreciate that input that uh uh the volunteers give that are on our committee. Anybody else for the open session? If not, then we'll move on from the open session and uh we'll uh go to the swearing in ceremony. Um this, as I said at the start of the meeting, there's a swearing in of uh reelected Mayor Clark Wilkinson, re-elected council member Gina Hurst, and newly elected council member Rick Bangader. And uh some of you may have family and friends here. So, uh, I'm not in I'm I am inclined, excuse me, to let you take pictures as well too, uh, with your family and friends if you want to, uh, uh, with the swearing in ceremony as well too after swearing in ceremony. So, uh, we doing it one by one or all three together? You

can do it all together. Okay. Should we get us down here on the floor? Yeah. Okay. Face that way. It's okay. I swear I swear

I will support and defend I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States and the Conitution of the United States and the Constitution of this state and the Constitution of this state and that I will discharge the duties and that I will discharge the duties My office. My office.

Family. Anybody want to come up picture with us? Then we'll have the do all

good. Thank you. Oh, you let friends in.

Where you going, Brian? Come on. I need everyone to double up so we can scrunch so I can get you without that. So, tuck behind me.

That's great. That looks good.

Okay, but you step out behind your wife just a little bit. Here we go. One and then you step back out. One, two, three. And one, two, three. Cheese. And hold it for this one.

One, two, three. Nope. It's on portrait. One, two, three. First, you want to get some pictures I do not.

Thanks. All right, Matthew, come here. Let's see it. If you guys stay right there, I'll get the Yeah. And I can get the flags. One, two, three. All right, Matthew, whatever you're doing with your mouth. That's hilarious. I'm gonna do it three times and now I want you to give me so funny. That's it. I like it. One, two, three. Okay. And then tip your head up a little bit. Yeah. One, two, three.

Matthew, you're funny. favorite. Whatever you're doing.

All right. If you step that way half step, the two flags are on both sides.

Oh, I overdid it on purpose. Okay, let me just make sure I get this one without just right. Yeah, the light is terrible. Tip your head up a little, but not as much as your Here, I'll come up above and then you guys have to tip your heads up. One, two.

It's official since the bud judge did it. It's not official. Can we take one more quickly? Not as much as the judge. Get out of the picture. We're not We're not quite there yet. I told Gina the same thing. Oh, wait. Am I done photo?

We will invite uh Councilman Banganger to come on up. You know, if you want to come over and vote for Councilwoman Hurst is on her second term and I'm on my third term and we we both take it serious. We love the city. Uh it's just that uh you get used to doing what you're doing. And my wife uh says to me, "Honey, you got to tell me events that are happening." So I yesterday I said, "Oh, I'm being sworn in tomorrow." And she said, "Good thing you told me." You know, so you gave her a day, Matt got notified today.

See, I appreciate that. That's Councilwoman Hurst. Thank you everyone that came out. Uh you're welcome to stay uh uh for other things we have going on tonight, but um uh and we we appreciate family and friends that were uh here to support. All right, let's go to business items. The first item is open and public meetings training. This is happening with all our organizations because I know a couple of other boards I serve on in my role as mayor that we're doing these this week, too. So, we're getting on it early. So, uh Jennifer, is that you doing it or is it Lisa?

Yep, I'm doing it. But Lisa's welcome to pipe in and helper is needed. Hey, are we getting cahoots? We're cahooting again. Yes. All right. On our phone. So, go ahead and pull out your phone. Staff, audience members, you're welcome to join if you audience, you can participate. It'll be fun. I think you should. So, go ahead and scan the QR code. Don't use your real name. This anonymous. It's a fun game. It is actually very, very useful to know that to the regulations we're under.

I might show up once or twice as a name for somebody. Yeah, I think a couple years ago we had three brand Hansen on the board. Um, and just as a reminder, your score is calculated by accuracy and speed. So, you want to be the first one to answer correctly. And I will not participate. So, you have a chance. Who's this chief person? My phone's going to die. Okay, I'm going to give it about 30 more seconds.

I don't care if you guys are in, but I want all of you guys to be in.

What are any council members not in yet? I think I just Okay, there's no points for being quick with your foam, right? Okay, I'm me. I'm not.

Yeah, we have to be in because we don't meet the requirements. Do you need help? I'm doing something wrong. Are you surprised? Okay, it says I Okay, look. I did that and I hit the I already touched it. You're going to see questions uh while they're doing working on that that relate to

uh these meetings we have uh as far as what our requirements are uh by law uh of certain things we do in this meeting. This won't be all inclusive, but uh there'll be some uh really good questions and uh it's a a great reminder required by state law to do this every year uh not only for city council but other boards that we sit on uh obviously related to sewer board. It wasn't me just integrated waste management, the fire board, uh uh all all of those things have have the same requirement. So, okay. I get three points for being the last one in. And now we know who you're using.

Now we're all in. Okay. I'm starting. Okay. How you feeling? Oh, my training.

And I'm not going to read the questions because I know that throws people off. 10 seconds.

Pretty good. OPMA, OPMA is an acronym for the Open and Public Meetings Act. That is what our training is going to be on tonight. Um the purpose of the Open Meetings Act is to ensure that the city takes its actions and conducts um its deliberations regarding the public's business openly. This means whenever there is a quorum present, we are in an open meeting. Um, and I know I've mentioned this before, but like chance gatherings, if you we're you all live in Centerville, so if you all happen to be at the same party at somebody's house or something, that's not going to count as a public meeting. But if that ever does happen, if three of you happen to be at the grocery store at the same time, just make sure in those situations you're not discussing city business. Um, and because all of those do need to be noticed beforehand to the public. And so this act in general is just to make sure that we are doing city business publicly and that it's noticed in advance so the public knows what's going on. Any questions about that in general? Okay. Smalls is in first place. Trying to go fast.

I know. 24 hours. This one's kind of a trick question for council members because generally when your meeting is on Tuesday, we will notice your meeting the Friday beforehand. But we do that as a courtesy to you guys so that you have the agenda and the materials to be able to review over the weekend and be prepared for your meeting on Tuesday. However, according to law, we're only required to notice a meeting 24 hours in advance. But we do try to give you more time than that. Um, just so you can prepare and know what's going on.

And your mayor's competitive and the faster you do this, the higher points you get. Yep. And I put two days, so I missed it. But at least at least if I do it in two days in advance, I meet in the 24 hours. Yeah. And uh we will occasionally schedule special meetings that aren't on our regularly scheduled meetings and sometimes those might might have a shorter notice. We'll try to meet the 24 hours or we'll try to get 48 hours. Well, we do have to meet the only time we don't have to meet 24 hours if is if there's an emergency meeting. And I don't I think as long as I've been here, we've never had an emergency meeting. There maybe was one during COVID, but

the wind event caused I don't think we had one, but during the wind events, we there might be a need for a emergency meeting. If it's a true emergency, then you we can call a meeting without noticing it and we'll get a notice out as soon as we can, but there are um very specific exceptions for I still believe that's two hours notice if I'm not mistaken for emergency meetings. Maybe. I don't know off the top of my head.

Yep. 24 hours. And that that applies to all of not just city council, to all of our boards and committees. Any any city board or committee or commission um has to follow the open and public meetings act. So they all need to follow that 24 hours in advance, too. So, okay, Smalls still in the lead. That was almost perfect. Yes, twothirds members. And just a note, this is twothirds members present have to vote to go into a close session. So, for example, we do have two close sessions scheduled for tonight. So, we will need twothirds vote of all of you present to be able to enter that close session. And just a reminder that um there are specific reasons that we can go into close session. We can't just go into a close session because we want to say something in secret. There are there are about five or six statutory reasons why we can go into a close session and we do have to have that vote. Um, really quick, I wanted to go back to the last one, 24 hours. This isn't a really important thing, but when I am doing those notices, just so you're aware where meetings are getting posted to, they are posted onto the public notice website and onto the city website, and there's always a printed notice here at city hall when those meetings are. Occasionally, different things will have a longer notice than 24 hours, like

elections and public hearings, and certain things like that do require a more advanced notice. Sometimes a public hearing has to be noticed a week or 10 days in advance, but just for the meeting itself is 24 hours. Sorry, I didn't mention that before, but all right, let's move on. Feel free to stop me if you have any questions or need clarification on anything. You all have had this training before, so it's kind of a review. Okay, you Almost this was a trick one too. Which of the following is not a reason to enter a close session? And all three of these ones listed are reasons to enter a close session. So the correct answer is none of the above. Pending or reasonably imminent litigation, character competence, physical or mental health of an individual, and the deployment of security personnel, devices or systems. Those are all valid and legal reasons to enter into a closed session.

And another one is the sale of real property. Mhm. Correct. For the record, that is like a tricky way to word that. Like I know. I'm sorry. Don't worry. I gave her the eye roll of trip you up somehow. It is. It was a double negative. My brain was like, "Wait a second." I know. I feel like you've caught us on that one before. I have. And I have it. It's the same one as last year. So, you just have to remember.

Oh, you got Smalls. Smalls got tripped up. just pulled into the lead but closely followed by Smalls. That was one of those ones where I did it so fast. I'm going to go back and change.

I know. I was trying to do two last time I did it wrong.

Okay, this is another kind of trick question, but you had a 50-50 chance because there are two on here that are correct. So for all of for almost all of our closed session meetings, we still are required to keep a recording of it and do minutes. However, for these two, if we're discussing the character competence or physical mental health of an individual or the deployment of security personnel devices or systems, we don't have to take a recording of those and we don't have minutes. However, the mayor signs an affidavit after that meeting saying this was the date and time that we held this meeting and this is the reason we entered the close session and we didn't discuss anything else. And so he'll be signing one of those affidavit tonight because this is one of the topics of our close session. So, but everything else we do do a recording of.

Any questions? Smalls sneaked back in first. I want to know who all these people are. I tell you not to put your real name, but then I'm curious of who's the official record of a meeting and we are required to retain them permanently. So, we do have minutes all the way back to the beginning of time. Pretty self-explanatory. We don't ever destroy our meeting minutes. And almost all of them can be found on our website back many, many years. They're on the website. If they're not, we've changed our our website and our system a couple times so they don't go all the way back to the beginning. But but at least for the last couple decades, I believe you can find meeting minutes online, which is great. Okay, Smalls is still in the lead. True or false? False. City Council members may not text and email each other while a meeting is convened. Um, going back to the purpose of the Open and Public Meetings Act, it's to have our discussions and our deliberations in the public. And if you're texting each other and emailing each other, that is not public. Our our public that's listening or attending are not able to see that. So, um, that's definitely not allowed. Um,

we also just in general, even if we're not in a meeting, we want to avoid creating a meeting on email even throughout the week. You know, you don't want to be sending emails and texts to each other throughout the week when we're not in a meeting because that kind of creates an electronic meeting. And again, that's not public. That's that's uh against the purpose of the Open and Public Meetings Act. So, just keep that in mind that if there's something that needs to be said, wait until we're in a public meeting to say it. So,

and as staff, we will sometimes send something to the entire council so that you all get it um at the same time. But on those, if you know, just don't hit reply to all. If you have questions on those kinds of things, particularly if you get an email from me, then you can always just pick up the phone and give me a call if you have questions. And maybe this is a good time to mention this new statute here as well.

Yeah, so this is new. So I was just going through any recent updates to the open meetings act. And there's a new section 208 and it says, "Individuals constituting a quorum of a public body may not act together outside a meeting in a concerted and deliberate way to predetermine an action to be taken by the public body at a meeting on a relevant matter. I think what they're trying to get at here is, you know, talking amongst yourselves before the meeting. How are you going to vote or what are you going to do?" And you know again the intent is that that deliberation not just your decisions need to be open but even the deliberation so that the public can hear why and how you made that decision. So um I think it's interesting in a you know concerted and deliberate way to uh for a predetermined action. So

Lisa which number is that again? Did you say 208? 524-208 predetermining public body action is prohibited. So is that okay? So what the what's in the packet is chancellor social meetings. Have we got the right what's in the packet may be outdated. It says 54 52-4-208. Correct. And it says chancellor social meetings. So maybe we might sending us the updated. I think I just attached this the old statute. I forgot to update it for this meeting. That's that's fine. That's my bad.

I just when she said that I was like, "Oh, I want to make sure that I understand that. I wanted to read it one more time." So if you don't mind sending it, that'd be great. But I do think that chance meeting is still applicable. So it's interested that. Sure. Yeah. I mean same thing even if it's a chance meeting in that situation you shouldn't be deliberating and trying to determine right way the language is stronger what you just read so I yeah I agree is sort of covertction is you know that's saying don't you know

try to lobby each other or say oh yeah this is the direction I'm going sometimes it appears that the council has t you from the public's perspective, which is why sometimes it's nice to verbalize why you're making this decision rather than just coming and making the decision, particularly on items where we have the public hearing. Here's our scoreboard. Small still killing me.

True or false? True. The city council should avoid talking about matters that are not listed on the agenda. Again, the purpose of the open and public meetings act is to notice to the public in advance what the council is going to discuss. And if you're discussing something that's not listed on the agenda, then that hasn't the public hasn't had a chance to to review that or or come if that's something that they're interested in. So, we have an agenda for a reason and we need to stick to what's on it. And sometimes discussion will occasionally start to drift a little bit. And if that does, I mean, the hard line is you certainly can't take any votes or make any actions on anything that's not on an agenda. So, we can only vote on things that are on the agenda, but even discussions, we want to try to keep to what's been noticed as well.

I I would like a clarification on that, though. If a if a community member brings up something in the open session, uh obviously that may or may not be on the agenda. If it's not on the agenda, can there be any comment? I mean, certainly we need to be courteous to that individual and we can make a comment. Maybe that, you know, good point. We'll be discussing that. We can look at that at a further agenda. But I mean, sometimes it's like we're almost not even recognizing their comment. If you can't comment on that because it wasn't on the agenda, I I worry about that. I don't want to give that perception. So, I'll respond to that, Councilman Banger, and staff can as well too and other council members. I didn't I didn't do it tonight, the start of our open session, but most open sessions I uh I did tonight say that we don't have to do the open session. Some cities have done away with them. we'd like to have them. But I do uh normally a lot of times also say because of that 24-hour rule that we can briefly respond to what they're saying. But if we get in a big discussion about it, then we're breaking that rule. So that's why I will say we will take it under advisement and uh look to get it on another city council meeting or staff or council members will get back to you. Uh maybe we're not always great about getting back to them. If we're we're not, we'll try to improve on that. But that's my big concern because if you get into a lengthy discussion, even if it's five or 10 minutes, then you're breaking that 24-hour rule of noticing and you might be discussing something important to the public, but all the public hasn't been a uh been informed that we're discussing that. So, that's a concern.

I totally understand that. But I also believe that we need to be courteous and we need to acknowledge sometimes and and have an answer so that our public feels heard. Yeah, for sure.

And I think the mayor does a good job at being courteous and acknowledging our our open session commenters and and if it's something that's just a quick question that can be answered right here, we will occasionally just answer the question if it's something that that can be done like that. But if it's something that does require more deliberation and preparation by staff and to come back with a with a prepared opinion then then usually again mayor's good at saying thank you for your comment. We've taken notes and we may bring this back on a future agenda. So I I do agree that the mayor has been very good that way to make sure that that's conveyed. I don't I maybe wasn't conveyed to the comment tonight, but she's well aware of the I've talked to her multiple times and she's she is very well aware that we can't discuss it. So,

yep. And I think often times we will have residents come to an open session and they may not understand the procedural, you know, how an open session goes. And so they might expect the council to deliberate or answer their all their questions right away. And I think the mayor also does a good job before the open session even starts prefacing, you know, this is an opportunity for us to hear your comments and then we can we can bring this back at a future date. But

and in fairness to some other cities that have done away with it, that's the reason they have because some uh people will feel like, well, they gave me the two or three minutes, but they didn't discuss what I was talking about. And that's why some cities are done away with with the open sessions. But I think it's helpful even just for a minute or two before for you to educate the folks that are here and say this is what the open session is and how it's going to work. I think that's been helpful. So,

and Jennifer, may I just ask further as a council member? Uh if it's not on the agenda, I noticed that we routinely have had one council member maybe report on their committee assignments or or whatever. Uh but that might be five weeks between a council meeting or council meetings before maybe one of our assignments there's something that we could bring up that's not on the agenda. Uh mosquito abatement might not be on the agenda but but Shayen has something to to identify about that. Where can we do that I would think or what's the latitude?

Yeah. Yeah. council report. We do just we rotate through each council member each week to give a report on your assignments. However, we do allow like let's say Brian or council member Plameumber is assigned to give his report that week, but there is something else pressing. We we allow for that report to be shared during that council member report time. Um if it's not urgent, then you can just wait until it's your turn to give that report. But if there's something pressing or urgent, then that would be the time for you to share that. if it relates to the the boards or committees that you're a liazison on.

And can I just piggy back on that? So, if you look at our agenda for tonight, it has council member Hurst called out, but we also have a catchall. City council members may report on meetings or events attended. So, I've always viewed that as the catchall notice for those and I' and I've tried to give that council member time to uh report, but then I've also said is there anything pressing right from your other committees that we need to know about say I've reported several times out of turn and I think I agree with Shayan the agenda is clear that other members may report. So I think it's it that part is okay because it's been noticed.

So action can't be taken still on those items. It's not noticed. However, direction could be given to staff to say we would like you to look into this and that's about as far as you can go and we would bring it back as an agenda item, but staff would have the opportunity to review what's being asked and come prepared at the next council meeting. So Okay. Well, that's great. There is some latitude though for things that aren't exactly identified on the agenda. Okay. Yeah, like I can remember one particular I think council member summer said, "Hey, at the at the rec board, they're going to we're going to have to do something in city council meeting about the proposed tax increase at the rec board. So, we need to get that on a future calendar, you know." So, yeah,

and it wasn't his time to report that that week, but just keep in mind those reports areformational and educational only. We're not taking any action during that time. So it gets really if if council starts deliberating on it and asking questions then it's starting to turn into discussion. We need to be careful about that and so Lisa and I or even the mayor might step and say now we got to either get back on track or or move on from the topic. Good questions. Smalls is still in the lead. You're killing me. Smalls.

Now I feel competitive that I should have played this time. do this.

Good. Okay. A full audio recording is required from all public meetings except for site visits. So, from all of our meetings, we have to post and maintain a full and unedited audio recording of the meeting. Um, site visits are an exception to this or a traveling tour. Occasionally, the council will go and visit Centerpoint Theater or a park or somewhere and you'll be together as a quorum. Um, and we will still notice that to the public so they know you're all going to be together in that location. However, we're not going to record you while you're there. So, there's a notice, but there's not a recording, but those don't happen often. Everything else we do have a recording of. Okay. This one was a little varied. Three days. Yep. So, the audio recording and the approved minutes must be made available to the public within three days. Typically, I can get them out the next day. Um, but I do have those three days to to make them available. Um, and keep in mind this is approved minutes. So the minutes that you see on your agenda tonight, those are the draft minutes from the last meeting. So typically it will take two weeks for minutes to be approved. And then after they're approved, that's when that 3-day clock starts ticking to get posted. So,

Jennifer, how long do you have to get this meeting on? Is there What do you mean? Well, like tonight's meeting, it it it can be two weeks before people can access it. No. So, the the audio recording of tonight's meeting, I have three days to get it posted. However, we're live streaming, so it's available immediately. As soon as I end the stream tonight, it's just on our YouTube channel automatically,

right? Um, but then I take the audio recording and it'll again be posted to the public notice website. It'll be posted on our city website and it's on our YouTube channel. Um, and then the minutes that we approved tonight will also get posted as well. But yeah, so there same that three days. However, it's typically much sooner than that. Okay, that's all for the open and public meetings training. I do have a bonus round question which doesn't apply to open and public meetings training, but do you have any other questions or comments about open and public meetings?

Is this the burnt question? Because I've been waiting for this one because last time you like put it in and it screwed up all the scoring. It's different. I try to do a different bonus round question every time. So, it's different this year. I'm not competitive, man. Let your question. Me neither. I I don't It is city related, though. Okay, here we go. City related. Okay. All right. Here we go. How many different one? Interesting. A fun one. That is a fun one. That is a really fun one.

Let's see if they all run for three terms. Divide that. Just kidding. Who can who can name the most mayors? In the middle. That's a good one. They're the winner. The one that can name Okay, only three of you got this correct. I'm assuming everyone guessed on this question. I totally guessed. We have had 23 different mayors. There have been several mayors through history that have served multiple terms. Um, fun fact, Mayor Wilkinson is our first mayor to serve three consecutive terms. So, but they're over here, but not consecutively.

We we there's one mayor very, very early on. I think he was the first mayor, served two terms, and then there was another mayor, and then that mayor came back and served, and then there was another couple mayors, and then he came back again and served a fourth term, but it was only like a year. Okay. And that was like back in four terms as a golden back in the 20s. So who knows? Hey, you saw what happened to Kansas City Chiefs. Dynasty's end, man. And and it's a disaster when they go down. Yes. So 23 unique mayors for Centerville. Um and still going strong. So thank you all for participating. I hope

Oh, don't show the results. Let's like not show the results. No, you need to show. I do. We all are dying. If whoever wins would like to reveal themsself, you're welcome to. Um, but I just hope that throughout this year we can just remember to practice and implement the Open and Public Meetings Act. Try to be honest and fair in your dealings and and uh and just deliberate in the public. So, here's our uh podium for open and public meetings training. Third place, we've got Birdie. Okay, who's Birdie? No, Nar in second and in first place I think it's Smalls. It's got to be Smalls. It's Shayen. Nice work, Smalls.

Congratulations. You're killing me, Smalls. Does nobody know the sandbot? Did you? I do. I said it over here. Lisa said it. Yeah. Thank you for putting up with me all the time, bro. Hey, who was Birdie? I was no narcissist. Well, think about it. You weren't Gina, think about it. What? Birdie. Birdie. Thank you for putting up with my silica hoot. Was that you? Who is it? Oh, I can't. You're It was clearly It was Robin. Robin. Nice work.

The alternative to the cahoot is me just lecturing you in public meetings. So, I figure this is more interactive. It probably helps it stick in your mind a little bit better. So, I'm going to send around the certificate of completion of this training. Just go ahead and sign your name on the line and then we're good for the year. And you'll send us an electronic copy so we can submit it to Yes. Did you have a question, B? I do have a few questions about this. Can I Can I bring up a few specific ones? Sure. Let me get out of excuse the rookie here for being so ignorant of something,

but it talks about uh on the agenda needing to be distributed to a newspaper or a local media correspondent. Do we have that in That's an outdated code as well. I apologize. I didn't put the updated code on there, but we don't have to send to a newspaper correspondent anymore. That's my bad. I'm sorry I didn't put the updated code on there. But but for all of us remind where you where you do how we do class A notice.

So our notices they there's class A and class B notices. Almost all of our notices fall under a class A notice which is posting on the Utah public notice website posting on our city website and posting at a physical location in the city which we do here at city hall in our front window. So that's our class A notice 24 hours before.

Okay. Okay. And then I'd like to ask uh on statute 524202-6A, it says that the city shall provide reasonable specificity to divi to notify the public as to the topics to be considered at the meeting. And I understand a topic may be general planning. Uh what what is is that reasonable specificity if you're a I asked I'm bringing this up an example of my daughter over the Christmas holidays we were talking about this a little bit and I was she's talking about some of the things I says we're going to have meetings on the general plan goes what's that I said what do you think that is and she says oh I don't know budget when you're going to plan your Christmas party or something like that I mean there are a lot of people who have no idea about some of the terminology we may be very used to. So, I'm just wondering, is that good enough specificity? And could we have a little more description about what that might mean? General plan, city looking at a future planning for transportation, for public safety, for land use, and just some things so that the so that the public is more aware of what we're addressing, educating them, and hopefully uh handling some of the apathy and creating some more public involvement. I'd appreciate

comment.

Yeah, I think that's more of a policy. I think Centerville does an excellent job when we move to this online um agenda software. We actually have a short title and then a description. And internally we sort of have a protocol of we don't if if we're doing something specific like making a zoning ordinance code amendment you know regarding chicken licenses something like that we will say that we say you know zoning ordinance text amendments and regarding and then we'll say what it's regarding and we'll give the code section. Um, so we try in that short title to give more information um because we do want the public to know what we're talking about. Now, when we're doing the entire general plan, we probably will say, you know, discussing comprehensive update of the general plan. Um, and I don't know that we go into specifics of what the general plan is, but

they can always click on it and go right into the staff report, which has a lot of background.

And may I use another example? Uh, recently, we all know we had a a county tax increase. And some of the notification that the county sent out, which I personally really appreciated, was there's going to be consideration of a 29.9% increase in the in the taxes. That generated a ton of interest. Four rooms of the county building were chuck full of people. That's a lot different than saying, "We're going to have a meeting and consider tax increases." In our city, we had meetings with the storm drain issue. You all know uh we had some challenges with that. But it's a whole lot different too to say in the meeting on the agenda storm drain fees are going to be discussed versus uh city council is going to consider four years back payment for the businesses. City Council is going to consider a 100% increase, which did got put down to 50. But but I I would like to suggest and promote and recommend that we have more reasonable specificity to our agenda so that our public is aware of what's going on. Is it is it I I'm not disagreeing with you. I'm just wondering if I mean it's in the packet like when we've done a tax increase or anything of that type. It's pretty and staff usually prepares a report that is like about a page. So it's not super long. Sometimes it's a paragraph. And I feel like that is really helpful in understanding what it is. Is that are you wanting something on this? I'm trying to understand where you

want it. Do you want it on the agenda? Because I feel like if you get the agenda too long, people aren't going to look at that either. And so I kind of I actually really like the way that staff has done it that we have that onepage report because it kind of gives you a quick overview um without having to read a lot of stuff. But I'm worried if you get this agenda too long. It's already um two pages tonight and this is a really short agenda. So

So I would I would say this. Okay. We as council members have an opportunity to pull up uh either what's sent to us or what's sent to the public which is which I I I always try and go off what's the public seeing. So, for tonight's meeting, I'm looking at public and I have the agenda, but then all that detail, Rick, that you're looking for, Councilman Banger, excuse me, is there's more detail in below the agenda that the public can see as well, too. I'm fully aware of that,

but the staff reports and things are deeper to dig into. I think most people who might be following city uh actions might look at the the agenda solely and uh they're not going to dig deeply into four and five page staff report on that agenda item. But it seems but if we add info to this agenda, you're going to have a four or five page agenda. Is that what you're No, I I don't believe that's right, Gina. I think I think that a few more words describing you know what might and especially when we know there might be significant public interest in something that's can we just

the we're junkies and so uh other than a couple people that watch uh city council online and I think there are some that do but we I think we do a really good job uh and I'm thinking of like the city council um uh thing uh recordings are on YouTube. You can go back and at minutes there you can find your topic. Not every resident in the city is going to be caught up with every topic. I like the opportunity that we give them to be able to find the topic of their choice either by going through the detail after the agenda or going back to YouTube and finding uh the topic, you know, based on hey, pick up the discussion on general plan at minute 29 and 30 seconds. So, uh, we we could always get better, but I think we do a pretty good job, uh, at giving the public an opportunity to find things. I I just um thinking about what you said, Mayor, and what and also Councilman Bangarder's comments. Is there Jennifer, you know, the board view is parsed out really well? Like it's really easy to click and get to things that's not available to the public. Is there a way to provide that to the public?

No. Okay. The board view is specific to board members because you have access to confidential documents there and but I will say and we can't have a public same thing but you know minus any potentially it's a completely different system but I mean I will say

bo both views are very comprehensive and have all of the same information have all of the same like this what you're seeing Right here is our public view and it's very easy. I've got the agenda pulled up right here and you can scroll down and immediately click up the sta the staff report for here's our staff report for open and public meetings act and so you can view it all here. The only thing that's different about the board portal is that when we have confidential documents you can view them there and then you can also take notes inside there for for you guys as you're preparing your opinions and your arguments. you can take notes there, but other than that, they're I mean, they look a little bit different, but it's all the same information.

So, listening to everybody, I think what Councilman Bangader is is really trying to say is he doesn't want a whole bunch of going out into the weeds. And maybe we just need to be a little more aware of that. If we're raising taxes, instead of saying we're going to talk about raising taxes, if we know the percentage we're thinking about, we say we're looking at at raising taxes 4% or um you know, we're looking at at drainage fees going back four years. I don't think we need to put a paragraph there. I think he's just asking for three or four extra words at the end if especially if it's something financially going to affect people or if we're changing an ordinance that could affect people's property. I think it's just just things that are super going to affect people if I understand. And just three or four words and he's not asking for you to go into detail. If they want detail, they need to go into the staff report. But if it says we're going to discuss raising water fees between 3 and 6%, if that's what we're going to discuss and so just adding between three and 5% or three and 6% just three or four words and I can understand where that might give people a little more of a an information.

Okay. So I appreciate that. Yeah, for sure. I mean we can when we're talking about those types of increases if we want to just be a little bit more involved, right?

We we are, you know, engaging and and make sure we have the information there. That's that's not a problem for sure. We can do that. I did ask Jennifer just to pull up council member Bigger I Bangar I I totally get your point. I actually in former city in Ephraim it was a very similar format. I asked Jennifer just to pull up our two neighboring cities of Bountiful. This is what you get on your screen what Bountiful puts on the agenda. It's just a line. There is no description. When I arrived in Ephraim, it was a very slimmer and that's where I put descriptions in Ephraim. It's a very long description similar to what we do now just to give a little bit more effort or acknowledge you could see what was the item on here you know 10 consider approval of ordinance approving Utah state urban land urban wildland urban interface we would have a little two one or two sentences underneath that helping you understand where it's found and why we're doing it um farmington if you go to the next one kind of the same thing right it's very simple I like that we have a little bit of a description but many cities have this format where it's just a this is the title and that's all you see on the agenda. We go into a little bit more detail, but to your point when we're talking about potential increases and public hearings, I I think we do a good job. Could we do better? Sure. We'll look for opportunities to do better. Absolutely.

And please understand, I think staff and council has done a tremendous job in so many ways. I I I'm going to make a few suggestions through the next four years and they're suggestions. They're tweaks. There's no big issue. Please understand that. We want to be able to uh respectfully have input and and give room for discussion and maybe make some improvement if it's appropriate. Thank you, sister. And I encourage council woman make them for for

I encourage that as well too. Uh, I appreciate Brent pulling up these other cities. I I'll talk to other mayors as well too, how they're doing their agenda and uh maybe even get copies from them. I think on big big issues especially uh good details uh is important is better than that. All right, any other things before we move on? I want to thank uh Jennifer for putting this together. Um, Jennifer uh, uh, is a very experienced recorder now and I rely on her uh, uh, to help remind me about deadlines. And these are the kind of things that, uh, she does for us, uh, in her in her her role that that keeps us being compliant and and staying within the law. So, thanks uh, Jennifer and thanks thanks for making it enjoyable for us as well, too. I'm glad there's only a couple times a year I have to speak during meetings and this is one of them.

That's true. It's over with. That's really true. Yeah. All right, let's go to the minutes. This is minutes of prior meetings. Uh this is the minutes of December 16th uh 2025 uh work session and December 16th uh 2025 city council minutes. In your review of those minutes, council members, did you see anything that uh needs to be adjusted or changed?

So, in the city council meeting minutes on the bottom of page two going into the top of page three, it was just awkward to me to see that that the motion was made with the following proposed changes and then council member Hurst seconded it and then it lists the changes. I would flip that order, Jennifer, to say the proposed the following changes colon list year one through five and then move council member first seconded the motion. To me, that just feels more logical. Sure. I like that. Yeah, I like that. That's good. Good point.

I think I was following the planning commission format where they do the motion and the second and then they list all the findings after it. And so I was like, "Oh, this kind of feels like that." But I'm happy to switch that. It's not that it's not a substantive thing. It just it read funny to me. No, that's a good comment. I'm happy to make that change. Uh any other changes? If not, then I'll look for a motion uh to approve the those two minutes. I'll move as amended. Second. All right. All in favor? I I I

opposed. Great. Okay. Let's move on to appointments. Now, I got one tonight, but uh two weeks from now, uh I'll have at least three, if not five or six others to help your boards and committees get all staffed. Like I said, I talked to all our committee uh chairs yesterday and um uh they were excited and um I I asked them about how some of their volunteers on each of their committees were working out and people that may be coming up for their terms ending and uh before I called those individuals to see if they wanted to continue to serve. So, so I'm I'm trying to uh get our our boards uh and committees off to uh a favorable start and where they're excited and and looking to move ahead. So, this particular one is uh the appointment of Paul Mendenhal to the planning commission. As uh always uh I promise you that I'll send their applications and I sent that out to you a few days ago. Uh, and so I'm looking for uh a motion to um to approve Paul Mendenhal to the planning commission.

I'm happy to make that motion. I'll second that. We have a motion, a second. All in favor? I I Can I just ask the process there? How uh how does I I just like to learn, mayor. Yeah. So, is there a time open for them to to make application for a an opening that's coming up? Is the public aware of openings that are coming up? So, what happens with any of our uh board? Let me continue to to finish the vote. All in favor? I I I

opposed. Okay. And I'll try uh usually I'll say further discussion uh Councilman Bangader, but on not on everything I do. But to help you understand what happens there is that uh um the city on their website has uh a spot where anybody can apply at any time and I will take that very seriously. Bryce, Jennifer, others make sure that that whoever from the public wants to apply for a position uh that that uh application gets to me. Okay. Um and uh wherever possible uh I always personally interview uh those individuals uh in person generally. There's only been a handful that I've done over the phone uh for for a position. Sometimes they I get a lot in all seriousness for planning commission. I get a lot that uh people that have no idea whatsoever what planning commission is going to do and uh I appreciate that they want to volunteer but a lot of times I'll lead those people to one of our other committees first to get their feet wet to do to do some other things. Um but uh I will go to those people that put those applications in first and then obviously uh if we have a need for positions and I don't have enough applications in then uh I will put on my thinking cap and uh uh go to my list of people within the city that I know and and uh like I had one today. It wasn't Paul Mendenhal, but for parks and wreck because I knew this particular individual loves recreation, loves parks, and I didn't have have enough applications in for that and I have one spot to fill there. So, I reach

reached out to that person. So, so uh uh but Jennifer gets to me a copy uh of um when terms are expiring and and mo with most of the terms of all our committees and boards. They can continue on past their term, but uh technically that's when their term ends. But but uh to tell we might get somebody appointed, they might might continue on. And and planning commission is a three-year term. And are all the others three years, Jennifer, or some of them? I got in my pocket. My my pocket here. What? Except for council.

Yeah, council's four. But yeah, all all all of them are three-year terms, aren't they? Yeah. Parks and wreck, trails committee, planning commission, Whitaker Museum, and tree board. They're all threeear terms. So, can I just say I would appreciate knowing when openings might be coming up. He he brings that up. Yeah, I think you'll know. Um and especially like like I'm usually watching the parks committee because I'm I'm the liazison for the parks committee. So, I kind of um but he's pretty good to bring it up when we're looking for

there's uh there's no we don't have any rule about how long somebody can serve. Uh um with planning commission generally most planning commissioners don't go beyond two terms. Uh we have a couple coming up pretty soon. One's been two term, one's been one one term. I think there is a two-term because I know when I was first on on planning commission. Yeah, we did. We don't have them on our committees and boards, right? I just know that we wanted to keep somebody on and we were told we couldn't. Do we do we have a two-term limit on planning commission? Will you check Lisa if you don't know or do or don't? No, I mean we typically go to I don't think there's any

there's not one. There's not a policy, but that's just kind of what to give people more ch. Yeah. I mean, it's nice to have them do two terms because as I've said, there's a lot to learn on the planning commission and you know, they're trained and so it's nice to have them and I think usually the mayor um yeah has more turnover after the two two terms. Just by policy, but it's not required. Okay. I just knew there was somebody we kind of wanted to keep on and they advised us to move along.

That answered that question. Councilman Ber, you okay? All right, let's go to council report. This was one of those that city council members may report on meetings or events in their official capacity. The one selected tonight is uh Councilwoman Gina Hurst.

Okay. Hey, um a couple of weeks ago or maybe the 1st in of December, I mentioned that um Dual Creek Irrigation Company is um just about to award a contract to install secondary meters. This is a this is a requirement by state statute or law that they um that all secondary water be have meters attached. So, um, for people living on the south end of town, basically it's about Chase Lane to the Bountiful border, um, those meters are going to have to be added and they're on a time constraint, um, to receive that money from the state. It was a grant. They received 75% and I think the total cost is seven or eight million. Um, so that's

and this is ARPA money just so you're ARPA money. The state is ARPA state money is what's funding the grant. The state is requiring I don't know if everything has to be installed by October, but money has to be spent by October. So I'm assuming that and Cer just ARPA is the COVID money, the first round of of COVID funds from the federal government. Sorry, I just added that. I'm so glad you brought that up because that's the first round. Sorry, there's a lot of background to that one. I should have I should have backed up a little further. So,

um anyway, that's going to be happening over the next several months. Um I'm sure that we're going to have residents asking questions and so just making you aware when they um I'll bring you more details as soon as they um award the contract and we have a little Are they planning on doing them all? Yes, I Yes, they have to. Uh, and I and probably the the critical piece here is using the ARPA money before it goes back um to the state and then eventually back to the federal government if it's not spent. So, Gina, with regard to that, are they looking at using their own staff to install meters or are they looking at

No, they're they're Yes, they're working on getting a contract. I'm sure they'll be involved heavily, but it's I it is going to require um a contractor to do it. So anyway, just so you know, that's going to be coming and it'll probably be it'll impact basically the this half of Centerville. So, um, parks and recck committee, they are working on, um, components for their plan, their master plan for the next several years. And, um, we've had a very engaged committee on that. I'm really impressed with um their efforts as a voluntary committee. They have they've gone out of their way to really um get this document put together and I'm excited to see where that goes. But they're still working on that and that'll be something that we can attach to the general plan to help kind of um show what the priorities are for parks um in the next several years. Um, other than that, sewer sewer district sewer plants still under construction. Lots of changes out there. I I think it'd be really fun for us to go out and have a field trip if you guys are interested. Um, it's it's very interesting how they're upgrading the sewer plant. And this is there are two sewer plants in the South Davis sewer district. Um, this is the north plant. So,

I think we should do uh on-site visit if people aren't getting out there by themselves because Okay. I'd be happy to line that up. We probably want to wait till it's a little warmer outside. Yeah. Because uh I haven't been over in a bit, so it'd be good for me. It's pretty fascinating. A lot of times I'll reach out and do those on my own, but I think that's what you're offering that. See if everybody see I and and um the general manager is always happy to come and report if you'd like to have him come and do that and maybe just show some pictures if that's easier. Whatever you'd like there, but there's lots of changes happening on that.

I think for each one of your committees, it's great to have an annual from the mosquito abatement maybe just coming in just so we have that relationship, not just you, but the council or sewer district. any of these committees might be good, especially the outside special service districts. Um, not necessarily the parks and recck committee coming present. Those are separate, but the outside special service districts be great to have that relationship with them. If you and so our our residents can hear, okay, about the updates. Absolutely. If you can advise me and the mayor, if you can let me know when you want that, I'm sure that Matt Myers will be happy to come anytime. You tell us when you want to put it on and we'll put on presentation. I'll ask him. Great. Thank you. Uh, anything else, Councilwoman Hirs? Um,

the only other thing is we're going to be starting LPC next week. We are, which I should LPC is the legislative policy committee for the Utah League of Cities and Towns and they meet through the legislative session on Mondays at noon. So, and the voting members are you, the mayor, and Brent? Yes.

Yes. But since we've led into that, that was one of my uh items on the mayor report. Uh before I go to that, anybody have anything pressing on their boards committees that they're over that we need to know about? Um then I'll go to that LPC. Um, I would encourage uh and you've always all been welcomed to listen into the LP uh PC meetings or um um and I would encourage you to um but we are given three votes I think. Is it given by city size, Brett? Is that No, everybody has three votes. We have three

voting members. It's the size that changes how many votes when we vote on the business items. So, West Valley obviously has more votes at that level, but representatives um we have three all have three.

Yeah. And so most of those votes will take place during the legislative session, but LB LPC when the session's out is uh is held uh monthly or every couple months. But the the just for your purposes so you know if you want to listen in uh by Zoom is the first meeting is being held uh next Monday. Uh this is not at the cap. This is at the Utah League government trust building in North Salt Lake and that's at noon and that's kind of a premeating to uh discuss uh what issues affecting cities have have uh have come up so far and then after that it will be every um Monday uh at noon. Uh in the past we've been meeting the Senate room. Like I said, they do do it by Zoom. Uh but every Monday at noon uh through the end of the session other than uh on the holiday in December, President's Day, which it will fall on the Tuesday um uh and that those will go up through March 9th. Okay. Um, and then uh and why I encourage you all to listen in if you if you can is we we obviously the voting members aren't voting on bills. That's what the representatives and senators do. Um, but we are just voting generally positions that the the league is taking uh in regards to the whole cities and towns, how what we want them to do in going to our representatives. Now, another thing

it's good for as well too is helps us to see as council members what issues are coming up in the legislature which affects cities. Uh and um we will come back from those sessions or I'll send out a text or an email and say contact one of our four or all four of our representatives to get them to vote this way on a bill. Um but uh um that allows you to stay up to date. Now as it gets closer to the end of the session, things are happening daily. And as Brent and I talked last week, he had a good idea. I mean, check your what's it called, Brent? A daily report. Uh is that what they call it? Or

well, Friday facts. Friday, Friday. A daily recap. And so Friday, daily recap. I just sent everybody an email for RSP for the first meeting on the 12th. So you all just got that email. That's what you heard on everybody's computer, but and then I'll send you another one. If you haven't signed up for news and alerts, I'll send that page to you as well. Put in your email, you'll get the Friday facts. And then any legislative uh what do they call alerts? What do they call them? Call to action. Um so there are times during Sorry, mayor. Call to action. That's what

the call to action. So during the legislative session, there might be a bill being debated that ultimately we need to call our representatives immediately to let them know of our position on that bill. Um, generally it's a it's an opposition because they move these these ones that we are opposed to move pretty quickly through the through the legislature. So, um, but sign up for all those news and alerts if you aren't aren't already signed up with your email. I'll send that email to you here shortly as well or that link

and it normally takes uh 3 weeks of a session. They're voting on things before that, but not not the big bills as much. They're just they're doing house taking care of housekeeping needs. But but those the last week week or two of the sessions those are the ones that we move fast on when they do a call action we need to act on. Now, in conjunction with that, uh we do have on the 20th to two weeks from tonight for our work session starting at 5:30, we have uh Representative Ward, Representative Cutler, uh Senator Adams and Senator Wiler uh coming to our work session at 5:30. Uh we have them for an hour to an hour and a half because they they then have a meeting. Uh Representative Cutler and Representative Ward in Bountiful. For those of you you that don't know, we just learned this within the last couple years is Representative Ward does does have part of our city on the very south side. He he has four blocks or something like that uh uh of houses over there. Um and Senator uh Adams has after redistricting a couple three years ago, he used to go my street was the cutoff across the street from me was Senator Wther's district and uh our our our side was Senator Adams, but that that's got that that was redistric and goes I think just past Chase Lane now.

Uh is he your senator? Is it Yeah. So it's um I think so.

Yeah. So, uh, so, so we're fortunate to have two senators in our including the Senate President and, uh, two representatives. The the Senator Adams, uh, not is not confirmed with me. He's always hit and miss. Uh, but I'm going to work on him and see if we can get him here. But, Senator Wiler and Representative Ward and Representative Cutler have all committed to be there. In fact, I saw Representative Ward today. I was at Little America at the legislative meeting and I said, "You're planning on the 20th at 5:30." And she says, "Yeah, and I'm introducing a bill you guys might not like." So, so I said, "Well, we'll work you over." Uh, I said, "So, somebody might have to replace uh Spencer Summer is working you over and one of us will, I'm sure." So, if we don't like it. So, uh, but, uh, so yeah, plan on that. and that'll be our chance to uh really get a feel of uh of what's coming out. Um so, uh like I said, uh they're they're they're ramping up. Uh I went to a Republican uh representative meeting today. I got a Senate uh Republican meeting tomorrow. Uh, I got um um a Democrat senator meeting on Monday morning and um these are part of this isn't city things. I've been invited these by the APA, but it gives me a chance to to to uh to see them and talk to them there as well too. Um, okay. One, the next thing I want to encourage you on mayor's report is uh at pretty soon we're going to have the general plan coming out and I am encouraging all of us to prepare for that meeting by

making sure we've all read the general plan. Okay. sometime sometimes we get our material and uh we uh maybe aren't as thorough on a topic as we should be but on the general plan and staff will it's out now so you don't have to wait till your packet comes out but but I encourage you before we discuss that that we have all gone through that uh because it's a big document that

so mayor are we going to take that and break it down so that we'll have like a work meeting from page one to 15 and and move on so that we can be really wellversed on what we're bringing. I mean, it's pretty hard to come in and be well rever well versed on the I mean, you read here, but by the time you get to here, you've lost some of your concerns over here, no matter how good your notes are. I'm hoping that we'll be able to take the general plan in small pieces, chapters, so that we can, you know, we'll have a work meeting from page one to whatever staff feels like we can accomplish so that we can read those two or three or four times before the meeting and we come very well prepared on that section. So, in my mind, I'm envisioning that we're probably not voting on it the same night, but what you're probably saying you would like to this discussion on work session before we bring it to city council,

right? I I think we'll need several work sessions that we'll go through it till we get through the whole thing and then obviously we can't vote for it in a work session, but we'll know staff will know whether there's enough of us that they can move on or whether there needs to be changes before it's going to Okay. Can can you uh can I make an assignment that you guys uh read it soon and uh you get questions uh to us beforehand too to staff the on for certain specifics? Absolutely. That's fine

because I I you know discussing every sentence uh you know I've been on state central committees and that's a process that's really difficult but but if we especially if we find areas that all of us are concerned about then you know by submitting that either uh to me or uh to Mike Agot or to Brandt um uh because I would think that some of it were okay Well, I would think so, too. But that's why I think we could say we've got page one. Is everybody okay with page one? And I could say I have a problem with paragraph six. If everybody else says we're okay with all of page one, then obviously there's nothing that needs to be discussed because one person's not going to change that. Then we would go to page two. How? And you know, and then if we've got four people on page two that are problems with a paragraph four, then we need to discuss that till we get it worked out enough. We'll never get the general plan passed another way because if you're going to ask us to pass this whole general plan, I've got to have gone through it with the council page by page, I think, in order for to be able I'm some of the rest of you say how you feel because that's how I feel.

Are you envisioning council me similar to budget retreat where we take a couple of different nights on it? Yes. before either that or a whole lot of a whole lot of nights. But yeah, it's going to take a while to get through this, I think. And I'm with councilwoman Make them all the way. Input from your other council members.

I I'm fine to break it down that way. I I worry about saying very strictly like we're going to do page 1 through 15 because of exactly what you just said. Maybe nobody has comments on page six, seven, and eight. And we're going to get a little further. So, I'd hope that we could have a little flexibility on it just in, you know, I I'm sure we're not getting through the whole document in one night, but, you know, based on the number of nights you think it's going to take, let's break it down a little bit rather than try to figure this out in advance where we're kind of shooting in the dark, I'd be inclined. Let's have a work session, flag any major sections that we have, and then put maybe go back. That's a good idea. I like that.

How do you feel, Brian? But I agree that what you're saying it's going to be a lot easier to really dive into some of those, but some of the sections are interrelated a little bit. So you might be it might be best to deal with section I I don't know what the sections are off the top of my head, but you know, maybe three and 10 go together. Maybe it needs to be broken out that way. I don't know. I'm maybe that's something staff could Well, I I I'm going to concur with Councilwoman Mikum in that we do need to take our time, be deliberate, and go through it page by page. So, okay,

how that looks, do we need some flexibility with the the what we may be able to accomplish in one night? Maybe. But I feel like we're definitely talking more than one night. We're talking two to three, maybe more nights. So, we don't want to limit ourselves on how much it time it may take to get through this document, which will have lasting uh repercussions for our absolutely our city. So,

I do like what Shayen's saying though. May could we start with a work session and you know kind of maybe identify where maybe some of those bigger sections are? I think we've got to start at page. I can't vote for it until we've gone through it. I can't just say, "Okay, I've got a problem with this section, this section, and this section." I think as a council, we've got to go through it. I know that sounds like a lot, but this is going to last the city a long time. We paid a lot of money. I'm opposed to that. I just think it might help to

I don't I don't know how that will help because we're still gonna, as far as I'm concerned, we're still going to need to go back to page one, see who has problems with that, move to page two. Like I said, some nights maybe we can do 30 pages if we don't only have two or three things on those 30 pages, but other nights we may have 30 things on one page and that's going to we're probably aren't going to get past four or five pages. So there will be pages like Shayla um Councilman Haymon saying is is we will there will be more problem areas but I think the only do it is to go through it together and see

I want to be efficient and effective. Why why I bring it up is because planning commission uh uh I listened to it or came to them bless their hearts uh in four or five meetings. I mean, I' I'd like us to be efficient with work sessions and uh be able to come to when it's voted on. I agree. But that's what planning commission asked us to do that that point in time.

But that's what planning commission asked us to do. They said this needs to be broken down into chapters and we we're not going to do that. We're asking the council to do that is what the way I understood planning commission to say they really they said we can't just recommend this. We're saying this is what we're at. We're turning it over to the council and asking them to break it down into chapters and go through was the comment that they called and they made on it.

May I ask a question? How is mayor you suggested that the general plan is the draft form is ready. Uh I'm not sure because planning commission suggested many changes to the general plan and we had significant input from the public and I hope each of the council members here take the time not only to read what might be the stage of a draft now from Somas but that we also look closely at the extensive public input that we received on it. That's going to take a little time. And then my question when in in this kind of process uh I think we need to be a little careful how much is of this is done in a work session where we're getting each other's feel for where you leaning councilwoman Hurst on this paragraph and count and I mean that's kind of making some decision that I that maybe needs to be in a council meeting instead of a workshop. I

And then the third thing is what about SUS? When is a presentation going to come from them after I mean that should come before we vote when they present now what what they have for us that we've paid $129,000 for? Uh when would that be mayor that we s uh after the planning session finished their stuff? What Mike is here here? Do you know Brent as far as this almost done anything with it since pling session finished up?

Uh I know Mike has been working on some of the just edits that needed to happen. And there was some formatting and some recommendations from the public that were taken into account of formatting issues, not necessarily changes to the plan. It's not necessarily, we don't feel it's our place to make any of those substantive changes at this point because it's in the hands of the planning commission and the city council is to make any of those policy decisions going forward. It's not necessarily staff's position to make those minor punctuation changes, that sort of thing. When will that be ready?

Uh, I think we're basically ready. So, I mean, ultimately in my mind, again, I'm not disagreeing with you as a council to decide how you want to proceed with the general plan, but I do feel like the first step is a presentation from Somos and community development and saying, "This is where we're at. Here's the plan." Now, however you want to deal with that information, whether you're satisfied with it, which more than likely you're not going to be satisfied with that presentation, then that's where you can debate where do we want to go from here in addressing some of these issues. And that's I think that's your opportunity. But first, you need a presentation from Somos to you and and community development to you saying here's what we're presenting. Here's what planning commission has passed on to you for your consideration and then it's up to you as the policy makers decide where to go from there.

So, is it let's let's how about if we go this route, let let Mike community development and so continue to make those punctuation and edit changes. Then Sus can come in here to a city council meeting and present and we can go from that city council meeting to the breakdown that we want to do. Yep. Is that fair enough?

May I ask that we I don't know what our contract includes with SAS. I know we paid a ton of money. Uh and I just wonder would they be willing to consider the public input we've had which was very specifically identified in writing suggestions. would so must be willing to evaluate and defend or incorporate some of those excellent suggestions before they present to us so that we can have their professional and expertise and opinion. Well, they've done they've done it through the surveys that we sent out to the residents and they were willing to do that after the surveys.

Well, I'll share that that's entirely up to you as a council. The public input that's been shared during planning commission hasn't directly been shared to you as a city council via public hearing or any other way. Now, it's not to say you can't take that input that you've seen during planning commission and say um and challenge SOS to say here are some areas where I think need some serious consideration and allow Chris and and Mike Agot to share and say yes those are those are excellent points or here are the concerns with that. There's obviously some concerns have been shared by the public that frankly are are not not legal, right? that would go against state law that we we would share that and say look these these are the challenges that you would be faced with with these considerations right this

is exactly what I would appreciate but yeah so this is that would be your opportunity to bring that point to Somos and and community development say here's where our concerns are help me understand where that fits in this general plan those are great excellent talking points and then you as the policy makers decide we want that in there Chris isn't necessarily going to add and nor would we as staff recommend we add some of these changes in. That's you as a policy maker to say these have merit and we want them added and you vote on that and then they get included. But at this point we're not inclined to include or add things to the plan because it's already in the policy makers hands plan commission and you to decide where it goes from here. It's a draft

and that yeah and that's why I'm just asking you to read it and in your reading of it uh maybe you have to go back and uh look at discussions from planning commission as well too you know uh they're there for a reason. We just talked about that we worked hard to get good planning commissioners and come up with good suggestions. The public came to those planning commission meetings as well too. So, so, uh, you know, we we'll read that draft. Uh, see what the P planning commission has discussed. Uh, we'll have Mike come to to to that city council meeting. And obviously, he was there and Lisa was there and others and all those planning commission.

Well, and the planning commission encouraged the public very strongly to send in their comments and their changes or so. So, we can get all that from I was going to say can written public comments just so that we can have those. Yes, I think

I I I do like what Brandt's saying about um we do need to remember that this document has been we did hire a professional to write it and we have to remember that while the public may want some things, Sus has followed best practices for general plans. And so as we move forward in that, I'm not saying we shouldn't incorporate what the public said. I'm I'm saying we do need to have that discussion with them as to why or why not um that some of those things may be appropriate. I I would like to clarify, Brandt, is which document are we reviewing? Is it this final that is dated 2025 September 26? Is that the one you want us to review?

I can't tell you which one to review. I don't I don't want to miss That's the only one I have. So I I don't want to misspeak, but if it's September's, then more than likely not. Okay. So that's the only one I have in my email. Have you received something more recently than that? Which one's the update? What dates? You know, anyway, Lisa has just I just want to make sure the council is all reviewing the same document. And the only one I have in my email is the 926 11262. Okay. 112. Can we get that sent to us? Wait, let's see here. Wait. second proposal

and Brand and I have not discussed yet when we're putting it on the agenda, but uh I was just encouraging you all because of how important it is to get to read to get to reading it if you haven't. It doesn't matter whether it's 11:26, the current version would be great or the 9:26. We've actually had it way before that, right? and I've got one, but if there's a newer one that you Yeah, let's talk. I'd like a hard copy of that cuz and have them send out whatever is the most recent then. Okay. So, everybody's reading the same thing. I was going to say we do need to all be reading the same thing. So, but like I said, I personally would like a hard copy if that's okay.

And and I and I would really like any public comment that was received by the planning commission that is in written form. Yes. that you know if you can just so we what we did with each planning commission meeting because they continued the hearing um for that meeting whatever public comment had come so far it's attached to that meeting and then the next one I think he aggregated them and so all the public comment is there so it should all be there but also it should be part of the record coming to the city council all of that um number one because we we would bring that to you but number two the planning commission specifically wants the city council to see all of that public comment.

So, we've spent a significant amount of time for going pretty far on the general plan and going to Jennifer's training. We haven't noticed on our agenda that we were going to have a very in-depth discussion about general plan, but but I'm not concerned about that because we haven't discussed specifics in the past. Yeah, I know. I just we've just discussed the procedure of what we're going to do. We're we haven't discussed what zoning is going to be or what parks are going to look like. We're just we're just looking uh to give me some feel rather than Brett and I deciding in our weekly meeting together of of uh I'm giving you an opportunity to to say but if if any of you had gone down the road of starting to discuss specifics on it then then we're breaking the right

uh discussing that we're we're just discussing uh what you want to do times and meetings what we're doing for the procedure could we go with Shayen's suggestion I'm Sorry, we should I should be more formal counsel and please call me Shayen. I I really very much

could we I I like what like I like what Robin said, but could we start with this discussion and maybe just the work session is the procedure of how we move forward. We've reviewed it and we're and we've looked at the public comment during the planning commission. we come into that work session, maybe have Sus present and just kind of help us along with exactly where we're at so we can come up with a game plan so that when we do put this out in a public meeting, which absolutely should be before the public to discuss as we and I'm fine with going page by page that way, but at least we've kind of come up with a game plan so the public can follow along easily and because this is they're going get fatigued. I agree it's going to take several meetings. There's going to be fatigue with that. So, I think we need to be very clear about how we're going to move forward so that they don't get frustrated in that that they can know when they can come and comment and that we have provided ample opportunity for them to do so, but they've already been fairly involved.

If I can just recommend again that first presentation in a regular city council meeting. Okay. It's on the agenda and then that's where you can feel you can share your comfort level. You've all read the general plan by that point. You've had the presentation. There might be an opportunity for you to ask some questions even during that time with Chris and then that from there we can discuss specifics on how you'd like to proceed as as a council. I think trying I think that first meeting you've got to have that first presentation to lay the foundation for any council meeting not a work session and then you decide if you want to do them in work sessions city council meetings page by page concepts chapters thoughts opinions gripes bones whatever

and I agree it should be in the city council meeting to start with because that way people everybody will be here and it will be on YouTube which is the council the planning commission or the but can but can we look at it and maybe say okay public. This is going to be just we're going to get this presentation and we're going to come up with a game plan. But just so because people will they'll be frustrated. We hear this often. You guys have been discussing this for weeks and weeks and I can't come to every meeting and just saying that's why I'm throwing this out now. Yeah, I like that

because Mike Mike uh Mike can continue to do what he's doing and we can get a feel of uh when when it's coming to council meeting and then uh you guys can know and the public can know as well too and that so it's not like oh you put you posted this on Friday and the meeting's on Tuesday right you know people can people can know that it's going to that we're going to be discussing city council uh in advance on a certain day Okay. Okay.

And mayor, in line with with scheduling, I know it's so hard to get dates at this point for anything very far ahead, especially with your busy schedule. I appreciate that, but where we could if we could maybe identify some tentative dates for we know we're going to have numerous meetings on the general plan and and any other meetings uh so that we can calendar a little bit ahead. I got to be in Florida in March for a granddaughter's wedding. It would be nice to know if on the front end or the back end of that we're going to have an important meeting. So just and I know it's so hard to schedule very far ahead but whatever we could do which will be helpful.

Okay. Uh and thank you. That leads into uh my last thing which may be on Brandt's report as well too. Uh two years ago we had a couple new council people. uh we weren't able to make the dates work, but uh but I proposed is doing some sort of council retreat uh where we could get this scheduling and uh things done. Uh and so uh I've talked about that with Bran again and uh um I I really would like to get uh that done so we're more effective moving forward. Uh, and so I throw that out there. Uh, Brent will lead into your city manager report and maybe that was on your report as well too, was it?

Mhm. So,

yep. All right. Thanks, Mr. Mayor. So, with that being said, um, Bryce has helped tried to coordinate. I mean, we're pushing our luck now because I think we had potentially scheduled February 6th and 7th. Is that correct? Um, so ultimately council retreats. I've I've been a part of many council retreats in the past. We haven't conducted one here in Centerville, but the point of a council retreat is really to connect with your fellow council members on a personal level as well as well as a professional level. Um so this council retreat uh we're tend to be planning or would look be looking at an overnight stay in Logan at University in um Bryce has secured some great rates but you'd have a Friday night personal gathering and spouses are included but you'll have dinner just to kind of connect and the next day we would have a facility to just come in and and moderate a conversation just again team building just developing that relationship with one another. Those I think those are critical and that's one thing I believe we've been missing is just that opportunity to connect at a different level and and and really that's your opportunity to share and council member Bangader we've we've talked about various ideas and thoughts you've had and and I think many of them are valid but should be discussed with your colleagues on the council and these council retreats would be a really good opportunity to do something like that to see how do you feel about this? This is these are my thoughts on this and I'm I'm sure other council members and mayor have other thoughts that they may want to to discuss as well. Just again I think establish that foundation of how is this year next year going to be and how we going to approach it. Maybe establish some priorities because each of you have your own priorities but we only have so much time and so much money to do things. And so we we got to figure out what are we going to prioritize over the next year. But it could be also an opportunity as I shared with you last year as we were doing the budget retreat. This could be that opportunity to use a council to say here are a few things we may want to see and this is advice to me as as the budget officer

that you say I would like to see maybe a little bit more emphasis on this thing whether it's water or streets or parks or trees or whatever the case might be. So, as Nate and I go through budget preparation and we balance that budget that I keep that in mind that these are some of your priorities um when I meet with department heads and say, you know, we got to hold off on that because council really is wanting to see this move forward. So, that's the point of a council retreat. I think it's a really good opportunity just to have those conversations and um and a lot of times council retreats are more effective just a little bit further away from home because what happens is council member Hurst needs to take a daughter to to practice or dance or something like that. So So I I don't mean to call you out but life gets in the way.

World is ridiculous. We all know.

So ultimately life gets in the way when you're here. You say let me go just do this thing real quick and I'll be right back. But if you're a little bit further away to make it a little inconvenient for you to go do that thing and you have to plan ahead, then you're you're there and attentive and participating. So again, that's that's a recommendation or a thought the mayor and I had, but mayor, I'll throw it back to you and if if we're available and we can make that work. So, I have found that uh in my eight years that effective uh councils and mayors uh have the opportunity to do uh some of these things together. Um I know with schedules and whatnot and our feelings about certain things that we uh not many of us get to like the lead getaways uh the semianual the annual meetings. Um I'm just I guess I'm just going to be candid. I get kind of jealous and envious of pretty much every other city in Davis County that has pretty much their whole council and and mayors there attending these things and it gives them o opportunity to discuss uh what's brought up, you know, and how does that apply to our city and that type of thing. And so if we can't get to those, uh that's why I brought up a council retreat again with with Brandt of of of something that we can do. uh even if it's uh ju just just for just for a night and uh I think something's better than nothing. Uh getting away I agree with Brance the best. If we have to do it locally, we have to do it locally just as long as uh that we commit to doing it uh you know and uh I know the schedules are difficult to find but so that's that's an idea that's a suggestion. So, uh, and Rick, uh, along that lines is, yeah, we'll do our best to get things on the on agendas in advance as well, too.

I don't want to get off the council retreat, but we'll do that with like the budget sessions, you know, we'll set dates a couple months in advance and those. So, so, uh,

based on the fact that he I mean, he has a pretty significant event that he's not going to be missing and those budget retreats typically happen in March. Maybe we need to get those on the calendar sooner than later so that so that he can, you know, weigh in and not not be stressed that he's missing a city event. I, you know, I'm going to just go out on a limb here. He should not miss his granddaughter's wedding. So, I'll second that. I I guess I'm the party pooper. I'd rather have them local where I feel like sometimes people think the council goes away and does secret things behind closed doors. So, I much prefer the way we've done it before where we've had our meetings here local and we're actually open to people if that's what they want. Not that we're going to have anybody come and sit and stare at us, but we are here. We're not somewhere that we're not accessible to them discussing the city business. I feel like the city business should be discussed here in the city where we're accessed by people and not going up there and they feel like we've gone up there and discussed things we didn't want them to hear.

We're not going to we wouldn't put city business on it. I mean, it's more team building like Brandt says. I mean, there could be He wants to do the retreat. He wants to do the city business like we've done here. Yeah. But we're not going to pull across part of the general plan and start discussing. No, but we're going to discuss the budget. No, that's budget retreat, which is separate. We're talking about a council retreat in February 6th and 7th, which is different than I prefer to stay local, but that's just me. If we did that, could even if we were somewhat remote from the city, can can that can somehow be broadcast on Zoom so it would be available?

I mean, I'd be hesitant to the minutes be recorded, right? Um, but broadcasting would again be up to you. Um, there are some things that again they're minutes, but you may be less inclined knowing that it's being streamed to share candid thoughts about things. I'm not saying that's good or bad. I'm just telling you that's just

that's kind of why we've been here. I mean, it is nice. We're all here and we do have very candid thoughts and very, you know, we all have our different opinions and we talk them through and sometimes I change yours and you change mine. So, I think it's a really good, you know, I I don't think it needs to be on Zoom. I think it we need the good discussions, but we need to be open to our citizens. Also, if there's a citizen that wants to be here to listen to us, it sounds like both things are very different that would serve different purposes, budget versus team building retreat. I would be in favor of a team building retreat and I would be in favor of traveling for the reason that you mentioned, Grant. It's really it's

if I get if I get away, I'll be more focused. I have I think we all have a lot going on and sometimes it's easy to get distracted when we're so close to home. So, I'm supportive of that idea. They've proven to be effective. I and many studies have shown

and I totally respect what what you're saying, Councilwoman Mikum, but I I I am totally open to trying this too because you have promoted this a couple of times over the last few years and and where you've witnessed it and observed it and we haven't done it. I'm I'm open to saying, "Hey, that might be a great thing." I do like the idea of a team building event and I agree. I think it's easier to get focused and just really plan that time when you're a little further away

as a leader. Uh I want you each one of you as you head your boards or committees or liaison to them that you can be a support for those boards and committees as well too. And as I've talked to some of these these chairs uh of of some of these various boards, they they look to us uh as we come to be to be le liaison and to provide to be to provide support for them, you know, and and I see this type of thing that can help as well too and help us developing uh what we need to be doing in that regard as well too. So

yeah. You know, I think of uh Rick and I having a a two-hour meeting on November 25th, and that was a great meeting just just to get ideas from him of what uh he's looking to see. So, we're not going to do a retrieve then I'd like to personally I'd like to get ideas from everybody uh so I can try and incorporate them as I meet regularly with Brad. So, I like the idea of a retreat, but I was I hate to be the sixth and seventh bad guy, but I was wondering if there's other options.

Sure, we know on Valentine's that's my 13th and 14th. Can I have a a theme of Valentine's Day there? Yeah. What a special day. I mean ultimately I mean if it's possible the the whole point potentially the Friday night dinner is just to connect on a personal level and I think that's what sometimes misses in in what we do because we meet in this very professional environment. We're debating some very controver topics but we don't know each other personally. So we can't connect personally

as we go into these meetings and we disagree on something then it becomes almost personal is you're not understanding where the other person's coming from or their history because you haven't taken that time to learn about their personal side. So the Friday night dinner could include your spouses where they come up with you. And so if you want you want to turn it into a Valentine's Day getaway then have at it, right? I mean you could absolutely do that. But um but that's and I I appreciate you you trying to get this. I just hate being the the person that's going to be the one that says the sixth and seventh doesn't work, but it I've got a soccer tournament in St. George with the boys. So, no, it's hard coordinating everybody scheduling. And that's that is true. And so,

and if we can't, could we do a dinner local and and some of that stuff kind of get our retreat where so we can still do some of the other I don't let the mayor mayor if we could just have a chat and maybe we'll just touch base again and and reconnect based on this. Uh yeah, and I I apologize. I only brought it to you a month. Uh Brent both Brent and I forgot on the 18th of December uh and the holidays came. So, um, uh, I I realize with schedules, uh, that may like Brent says, he and I'll talk it out and yeah, maybe we have to do a dinner local, you know, and I might have Jennifer send out a doodle poll or something like that just to get some.

That'd be great. What else you got, Brett? Uh, budget retreat. I if I had to guess right now, I mean I'm 24th and 26th might be the date that Nate Nate I mean we got to get all department heads engaged and follow up but if I had to guess on a date of which dates we do it would be the 24th and 26th what we try to do because we try to do of March March. So it would be an off council week and a Tuesday Thursday is just before we go. The other alternative would be the two weeks ahead of that. So the second week of March, whatever dates those are, I don't have my calendar open now. Two weeks ahead of that or after that. You usually we do it end of March. Last year we were all the way out into April.

I blame council member, former council member Summer Hayes on that one. So he he's not here. So now I can blame him. But no, we had to coordinate because he had a conflict and so we scheduled and and that puts a lot of pressure a lot of pressure on Nate to get it done and before because the first meeting in May is the is when we have to have the tenative budget available. So preferably in March the 24th and 26th uh or the 10th and the 12th, but then I've got to get with department heads and make sure uh those dates work for them. Are people uh available 24th 26 right now? Yes,

I think so. I've got a I don't I'm not sure I've got I miss anything, Nate. Is that okay? Dates in, but yes, that will should be fine. If I am still a member of the mosquito district, I tentatively scheduled to go to Portland for a mosquito abatement conference. Yes, there are such things. Um but I if that's the only date that works for everybody else, um I can make it work. Okay. If there's any conflicts, let us know. We'll take note of that. I'll get with department heads and then I'll follow up with you all. So, the 24th, 26th, that's three days. Nope. Just the 24th and the 26th. We give you Wednesday off because

actually learn so much. So, we'll meet on the 24th, take a break, digest, and then meet on the 26th. Okay. That's what we seem to work, right, Mayor? Do you want to keep doing that council? You tell me. Do you like having that one day break in between? Yeah, I like that. Yes. Okay. We need time to process all of it. We're absorbing a lot during that time frame.

You know, our our budget retreat process. I I I really like how we've evolved to what we are today. Um I joke with another a neighboring city and I won't say who, but uh he jokingly told me it's like, well, I present the tenative, they don't see it until they see the tenative budget. That's how their budget process works. and then that's their discussion and then that's when they get some comments and then they bring the final budget June that but they don't see it anytime before that. So anyway, I I like our process again, transparent, open. Your involvement matters

and I do too. And I would encourage on that one is is come prepared. Read through the budget and be ready that that first night so we have less last minute things we're doing on it. Uh because staff will be great about getting to us that that they they want to have this budget retreat. I appreciate what the department heads and Brandt and Nate do uh in making sure that we have those two nights to really hammer it out. And Brandt is right. There's some cities the process is not as good as ours for sure.

One last thing, Mr. Mayor, as a you know, council member Summer's farewell farewell. I was thinking about my time in local government and I've been a city manager for 12 years. Uh, I've been in local government for 17 years. I've worked for the state for a few months. I was three years in the military. But in those 17 years in local government, I've had six mayors and about 36 council members that I've worked with. And anyway, I was just thinking about how many council members they come and go. And I've worked a lot a lot of different personalities. Um, so I've appreciated the the pleasure to work with the mayor and council throughout my career. A lot of different personalities, a lot of different thoughts, but I've learned a lot along the way. And anyway, just kind of a a fun little note. So, it's funny you brought up the how many mayors of Centerville because this I I just written down kind of this thought. Anyway, that's all I have, Mr. May, unless there's questions for me.

Thank you. All right. Uh if one of you will make a motion, uh you have it on your agenda of what we're going into close session for. There's two reasons there. Uh then with with the intent not to return to council, I will make a motion to go into close session to discuss the character, professional competence or physical or mental health of an individual and to discuss the purchase, exchange, or lease of real property with the intent not to return. And if you can vote individually. Yeah, we need a second. Second. Uh okay. I I I I I

and we met the twothirds as you remember uh on our open meeting training that council is ajourned.