City Council - Regular Meeting

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and he drives a big huge Hummer. I should know who he is. That's our new sergeant. Yes,

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Okay. We'd like to welcome everybody to tonight's Roy City Council meeting for December 16th, 2025. The time is now 5:30. I want to uh recognize that we have council member Jackson, council member Saxton, council member Paul, council member Scadden and Council Member Wilson with us tonight. Uh we also we've asked Council Member Scadden if he'll just take a moment and lead us in a moment of silence and a pledge of allegiance. Randy, if you can join me in a moment of silence. Thank you.

I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. [clears throat] Thank you, Randy. Okay, council. We have uh one consent item, November [clears throat] 18th, 2025 Roy City Council meeting minutes. Any comments, questions, or adjustments to those minutes? There were a few um minor changes and I've submitted them to Brit already.

Okay. And you've got those. Perfect. Any other comments, questions? Hearing seeing none, then do I have a motion then to approve the consent items? So moved with the changes as noted. Changes. Thank you for saying that. Do I have a second? I'll second it. Thanks, Ann. Okay. All in favor say I. I. I.

Any oppose? Say nay. Okay. Thank [clears throat] you, council. The consent items are approved. Uh public comments. Uh if you have something you'd like to share with us, uh any topic, please do so. Uh we ask you to keep it at four minutes. And all we ask is that you give us your name and your address. Name and address. Robert Persville, 6034 South, 2050 West. First of all, I just want to publicly thank the council for approving the lights at the crosswalk at 2,000 or 2200 and 6,000. Thanks to that in my weekly walk or my daily walks this week, I've only been hit almost once instead of the usual five or six times. So, it it's helped it has helped greatly. I talked to the crosswalk lady there the other day and she says it's helped her a lot. also want to make sure you guys I also want to thank these fine gentlemen behind me. I'm glad they're all here, the police department for their enforcement they've been doing lately. I think that's helped. I've noticed a difference the crosswalks in the city in the last couple of weeks as I've walked around the city. Um, that being said, um, we know there's always there's always room for improvements in safety. And a couple other things I've noticed since crosswalks been on my mind and we've been talking about in city council the last few the last month or so and stuff, there are some places in the city that might need some paint put down. Even though the state law, every intersection is a crosswalk. We all understand people don't understand that. They don't stop for the painted crosswalks. Um, as I walk through the city and watch the school kids crossing certain places, there are a couple places I've noticed that we might want to put some paint down. Um, one of those places

is 2050 and 5700 right below EOS. There's a two-way stop, but coming up and down 5700. People going to and from EOS or where the other businesses there are going pretty fast and there's not a crosswalk there. And I see a lot of kids. I cross there. Um, but there's a lot of kids to cross there also.

Might not hurt to put some paint down just to let drive give drivers a warning. Uh, the other place I've noticed, um, and I'm sure there's other places in the city, but at 2200 West and 5900 South, we have crosswalks as you're going north and south, but there's no crosswalks painted going east and west. It's another place that quite a few people cross right there with no painted crosswalks. Um I understand it's an added expense to the city, but I don't think you can put a number on somebody's safety. Agreed. So that was my that was my comments. Just thank you and um I appreciate it. Thank you. [clears throat]

Okay. Anybody else like to share a thought?

I'm Kevin Homer. I live here at 5398 South 4000 West here in Roy. I do apologize in advance to all the people that are here for Officer Bentley in the promotion ceremony. I will try to get through all of my inconsequential comments as quickly as I can. Resolution 25-3 that has to do you you'll be addressing these later on in the meeting. I just want to touch on them really quick. 25-33 that has to do with supporting America 250 uh by participating that here in Roy City. I think that would be a great thing. I would ask for your vote in the affirmative on that. I would also suggest that it would be a worthwhile thing for every single one of us to go back and read the Declaration of Independence that has to do with this whole 250ear celebration. Very interesting to note how much of that document is is uh spent talking about excessive taxes and lack of representation which I hope we can embrace even more here. So please vote in the affirmative. Um 25-34 that has to do with the Comcast service agreement. Uh I'm glad to see that we've been bringing those service agreements online as we have these new infrastructure companies come in and ask to do business in here in our city. I had so many neighbors that were have been pretty upset about some of the damage done to their yards. I again I understand easements are there and we need to make make sure that we actually use them. Uh if you look at section 3.20 that has to do with damage to other other facilities. One thing in there that I was a little bit concerned about that it it states that if Comcast, this company, does any damage that they would immediately notify the affected party in the city by the fastest practical means. I'm concerned that that is not constrained by a specific length of time that they have to advise. They've damaged something, they've damaged property, they've damaged other infrastructure.

I would like to see it a little more specific. Uh 20 25-32 amending fees for the city parks. Just one little chunk in there has to do with equalizing fees charged to residents and non-residents apparently by state law. Good thing for me instead of lowering the non-resident fees, I would have raised the other fees because guess what? It costs a lot more money to provide those services than we have around here. So, let the people who actually use those services pay for those services. So, I would have raised those instead of raised the the resident fees instead of lowering the non-resident fees, but hey, it's just me. Uh, okay. Ordinance 25-18, that one is going to be considered here that has to do with water conservation and usage added to the general plan. In general, that document is a very well-ritten document. All the people that worked on it did a really good job and I appreciate that. The gentleman that that was here for um I think he was here from the county or the state did a really good presentation about it and I made a couple of suggestions at the time. One of them that I want to reiterate here is there is currently no section on backing up the power generation needed for the wells here in Roy City. I understand we do have some diesel power generators. We have a special agreement with um is a Maverick where if there was an extreme s shortage u of of diesel fuel and we couldn't get the power to power those we would have it through the diesel generators. I am a I'm a guy that likes backups to my backup. I would really like to see some additional discussion spent on how

we can use solar power generation to back up our diesel power generation. Providing water for people in this city for me is might even be the most important service that we provide. It's really important. Let's get it done. Thank you. Thank you. [clears throat] Okay. Anybody else like to share a thought?

Name and address, please. So, Ty Chaston, 3751 West, 5575 South. Um, by state law, I think they changed it where you only have to state your name now. You don't have to do your address. So, it might be something to check into. Okay.

But, I'm going to say ditto to both comments tonight. I did want to focus on the beacon lights and uh wanted to thank Scatterton and Saxton. I texted them personally about a vehicle going through there and yes, the police present has been great. I'd like to see more of it. Um especially on the crosswalks, uh there's a lot of people that aren't understanding the difference between the zebra and the stripe. Driving bus every day, I see people go across that zebra go across that zebra stripe constantly while the kids are still crossing. Um, so if there can be a little bit more on that, it'd be great. Uh, 25-9 on the [clears throat] parking. I know that there's been controversy between the two parties there, but I will agree with what 2519 is going to be hopefully passed tonight. I'd like to see that done with the parking. It's it's a bigger issue and it's a need. It's a necessity for u what's coming in. Um, so those are those are my main points. I was going to get up and talk more about it, but they were already covered by the other two. So, okay. I appreciate it. Thanks.

Thank you. Anybody else like to share a thought? Name and address, please. I'm Jeff Cox over at 1845 West, 4500 South, unit 140, Herfordshire area. First of all, I want to compliment the Roy City Police. Uh, I was in Japan. My wife accidentally set the home for home alarm and I noticed it when I was in Japan. So, I automatically set it to away, triggered the alarm,

created havoc throughout the whole condominium association. They responded within about five minutes or less. and uh a couple gentlemen showed up and I just I wanted to get on my speaker because I saw my my camera but I thought I'll just leave it as it is. But I want to give credit where credit's due. Uh, the other thing I want to bring up too is when the presentation was made for Midland and 4,400, the project down that or 4,000, excuse me, project [clears throat] down that way, presentation was given on both these screens. Well, we're sitting over here cranking our heads, our bodies, and everything else. And I like suggest maybe a screen that drops down here in the front. I know the cameras are there and so forth, but just something that makes it easier on everybody because it was a heck of a a trial to follow along. So, I don't know if you could move on the TVs over here up high enough or the camera still show everything. That's my suggestion.

Okay. Thank you. [clears throat] Anybody else like to share a thought? name and address, please. Yeah, I'm Darren Albbright, 3690 West, 5850 South, and Roy. I mean, late night. Anyway, [laughter] first of all, I'd like to thank Bob for his 10 years of tenure. Got to miss Bob.

I know he spent countless hours, days, months, and I know all you guys spend time. Just because I disagree with you doesn't mean I don't like you. So, just keep that in mind. Um, but I like to appre I appreciate those that put the time in and Bob especially. And um also I'd like to thank Chief Williams. Um he took the time out to meet with us, a one-on-one type, not totally oneonone, but he took the time in his day to talk to us and it was very I feel very beneficial that he done that and it cleared up a lot of a lot of things and it was nice that he took that time to do that. I'd like to thank him personally for the time he took. And the last thing I have to say, you guys might not like this is one of those things you might not like. Um, I know that the audit last year found an extra 700,000 plus dollars. And I know I do believe if I correctly, Steph, correct me if I'm not right, but I do think that the employees got their merit raise. If am I correct in that?

No, they didn't get a merit raise. Did they get a COLA or a merit? Neither. They got a merit. Hold on. Yeah, go ahead and say merit separate from a cola. Did they get their merit raise? So, they got their merit raise. My suggestion is I don't know why they don't want to pay out the cola this year to get it off of the books to make it a little bit easier for next year. So there's not that money sitting there and then next year we're going to have to get tax a little bit extra money for their colas next year instead of using some of that $700,000 you found last year from the audit [clears throat] that you didn't that wasn't whatever however it came about whatever the case is. And uh um that's all I have to say. That's it.

Okay. Thank you. Anybody else like to share a thought? [snorts] Okay. U council will come out of public comment period. Let me just help clarify that uh some of the really good information. We appreciate the flashing lights. uh uh [clears throat] council member uh specifically uh [sighs] uh Saxton made a point last meeting or two and indicated there's a need for those flashing lights on on 622. Uh we've gone by there if you're not aware and if Brandon was here I will tell you thank you thank you Matt. Obviously, they're in operational. Uh that was surprising because I was anticipating six or some odd weeks. Uh that didn't happen and and we're excited about that in large part because we think it's going to provide a great safety opportunity. So, uh great effort on the part of uh not only council making the recommendation, but equally important uh staff moving on it and they did a really good job. Okay. Uh we appreciate that. Um [clears throat] there's some uh issues that we'll talk more as we get to some of these resolutions and uh and ordinances tonight. So we'll try to uh work through some of those. So we appreciate those. That's great. Uh I like the comment about the the the what they call the zebra crosswalks uh versus the parallel lines. Most people don't understand there's a difference and we tried to in the mayor's message a few months ago to try to bring some enlightenment to that uh because it does create some concerns with people don't understand the difference but thank you for bringing that out. We need to keep that I think in our constant attention for the safety. Um and it's always good chief to hear the public respond when they said thank you for the service and helping on when they're dealing with issues and that's always good. uh to the comment about $716,000 that was the carryover that was not expected that was come out of the audit.

Um and so to your point uh the merit raises were given to the employees but cola was not uh the council in a couple of conversations indicated that the cola uh was not going to be approved by this council and even there was a recommendation that maybe the next council which would be seated roughly in about two weeks uh when the new council comes in that it may be a topic that will come up in that meeting about considering providing the cola to the employees based on the extra $716,000 that was identified and located and carried over. That money is now sitting in fund balance. So, it kind of increased our fund balance quite a bit. Uh so, it certainly is available if uh if the city city council has an interest in uh in approving for cola for the employees.

Okay. Uh thank you for public comment. Uh it's very important. I think we hear what you have to say and I think there's some good information from that. So, thank you. Uh, we're going to have a number of action items. So, the first one, Chief, we're going to turn over to you. Uh, we have a promotion that you're going to help us identify. So, thank you. And by the way, welcome back. Thank you. It's good to be back. Not going to lie, sometimes, actually, a lot of times I miss being a sergeant. I'm going to invite Officer Bentley up and his family. And Chief, could we get some introductions to the family while they're up here?

Yep. I'm going to introduce Colobby and then I'm going to let him introduce his family. So, so Officer Bentley now, Sergeant Bentley. Um, I think this was his second time testing. First. Oh. Oh, wow. Okay. Pretty impressive.

Uh, first time testing. Uh, I'm not going to lie, we have some amazing talent talent in this in this department. Um, I am blown away every time we test. Uh, now that I'm getting more familiar with promotional testing and I'm getting more familiar with the folks as they go through the promotional process, I will give some accolades to Captain Perez, we've modified some things in our testing process to make sure that we're getting the right candidates. Uh, I can tell you we have a pretty good bench and uh these decisions, while not easy, um, we're fortunate to be in that position to be making these tough decisions. Um, I'm probably going to make him a little upset when I talk about this. You need to know that when people rely on us and other agencies, they rely on us for a reason. And one thing that Kobe does bring to the table is we've gotten in some pretty good discussions. I wouldn't say heated, but we've gotten some pretty good discussions in the past. And uh, he does research. Um, he's willing to ask tough questions. He's also willing to stand his ground. Um, but as a tactician, uh, you need to know that the person that we promoted, uh, single-handedly ran the tactical command portion of the officer involved shooting up in Tmont. We had other people respond as well, but uh you need to know and you should know that we are relied upon by other agencies and uh we have a knowledge base that is well respected uh well guarded we hope and makes other agencies jealous. So I'm uh I'm absolutely ecstatic that we get to promote Kobe and I'm going to turn the time over to him to introduce his family. Thank you. So, this is my beautiful wife, Mandy. Um, this is our oldest,

Nash. And then second oldest, Boston. And then this is our youngest. Her name's Abby. She has normal clothes, but she's four, so she wins. And she always gets to wear wear her cheerleading outfit. So, I mean, she could look like Mondo, so that it could be worse. It's true. It's true.

Okay. overnitution of the United States. of the city and that I will discharge the duties of my office. [applause] Perfect. Sergeant, [clears throat] we'd like to if we can uh allow the comments from the council and then if you don't mind, we'd like to shake your hand if you don't mind walking by and allowing us that opportunity. So,

[snorts] Sergeant Sergeant Sergeant Sergeant Council comments. Congratulations. We're sure glad you're here and thank you for being willing to accept this. Yeah. Thank you for all your work. Great. Thank you. How long have you been with Roy? Yeah. 10 years. Okay. 10 years. Perfect. Do you live in Roy? No. South. Okay. Okay.

Well, if we can, we'd like to shake your hand. [clears throat] [laughter] [clears throat] Sergeant, let me just make a comment if I can. Um, [clears throat] it may not be something you're aware of, but I certainly want you to make sure that you understand the importance. Uh, as difficult as that tragedy was, and it was certainly a tragedy that took place, uh, there were a number of significant things that come out of that, and certainly your contribution made a big [clears throat] difference. Okay. But I must tell you, okay, um, and I'm only sharing this because it is all about the team effort. U, I'm a member of the 911 board, the Weber 911 board. And what's interesting about that is that, in fact, I have another meeting Thursday. It's unscheduled. Four of the cities in that county have now asked the Weber County 911 district to assume responsibility for their 911 service. I never thought I would ever see that. Um, we can certainly get in a lot of details. U, that tragedy was a tragedy, but there was a lot of effort, okay, even in Weber County along with you to try to make sure that never happens again. And thank you, okay. Um, it was important that you were there. I think the chief did a great great job indicating that you had the skills necessary to make that happen. But changes have happened as a result of that. So, thank you again for your service. [applause]

Thank you, Chief. Okay, we do have uh consideration of resolution 25-32. This amending fees for the Roy City Parks and Recreation Department and adopting the Roy Parks and Recreation fee schedule. And Michelle, you're going to help us on this one. Thank you,

Mayor Council. Thank you for letting me be here with you today. I'm here presenting resol resolution 25-32. This resolution is amending the parks and recreation fee schedule. And you do have a redline fee schedule in your packet. This change is specific for two areas. First, the park pavilion fees. Last summer, our department worked with the Department of Outdoor Recreation from the state on an audit of past grants that the city has received from the land and water conservation fund. Part of that grant contract stipulates that non-resident fees cannot be more than double the resident rate. So, we're here today just adjusting those fees so that we are in compliance with that grant contract. And then the second item is the Roy Day's vendor booths. We're adjusting the vendor booth rental categories to better reflect current event needs and administration logistics. We're changing the booth type from the product that the booth sells or offers to the type of spacing or amenities from the city that the booth is getting. So instead of categorizing booths based on food or non-food vendor type, we would like to categorize them based on power usage, non-power usage, and the amount of space in the park that they're taking for the food trucks and food trailers. So with that, we may change those categories and then adjusted the fee schedule or the fees for those booths to be in line with those categories.

Okay. So I'm happy to answer any questions. Perfect. Thank you, Michelle. Council, any comments or questions with what you just been told? I was just glad you pointed out because I didn't know I said the same thing. Why are we giving them less like Kevin said, and it's because of the grant and we can only we can't charge them as much. So, but I really like the change of the vendor booth and the power and the space because really if they they're not providing that service that you're getting, you know, if it's just the they're taking more power and more space, but we're really not getting much out of it. I I can see why you totally changed that. So,

it makes it so much easier on us when we're laying out the booths because we know how many spaces we have. We know which ones have access to power. So, it just makes sense to dedicate them that way, right? Okay. Questions [clears throat] or comments? Okay. Thanks, Andre. Okay. With that, then do I have a motion then to approve resolution 25-32 amending the fees to the Roy City Parks and Recreation Department and adopting the Roy Parks and Recreation fee schedule. So moved. Thank you, Randy. Do I have a second? I'll second it. Thank you, Ann. Okay, this is a roll call vote. Brittany. Council member Jackson, I. Council member Wilson, I. Council member Paul, I. Council member Scatteren, I.

Council member Saxton, I. Okay. Thank you, council. Resolution 25-32 is approved. We now have consideration resolution 25-33 supporting America 250 [clears throat] Utah and recognizing and approving the Roy City, Utah 250 community. Matt, I believe you're going to lead us in this conversation.

Yes, thank you, Mayor. Um, as you seen in your packet, resolution 25-33, um, is part of a process to apply for a grant for America 250 Utah. Um, they're offering counties and municipalities up to or $1,500 to help celebrate the 250th year. So um we have not officially got the committee together nor have we appointed anybody to that committee but this is this resolution just starts that process for that grant application. Okay. U any questions or comments about this particular resolution council?

Okay. I just had a couple u and I talked briefly. Matt, maybe we can talk a little bit about this. Uh who will be on the community uh in this case the community committee and and how will they be selected if we know at this moment or appointed? Yeah, we have not made up the committee yet. So nobody has been selected and we can come up with that process. So we're just thinking staff members, council members to come up with the various ideas. So we can expect sometime between now and more than likely next July. Yeah,

we'll have a uh a source selection process taking place to identify committee members and and I would encourage council as you work that uh you'll need staff because it'll need to be integration, but certainly you ought to consider bringing uh residents in and let them be part of this celebration and however they define that uh that process to work. So uh any other comments or questions relative to this resolution? Okay. Hearing none, then do I have a motion then to approve resolution 25-33 supporting the America 250 Utah and recognizing approving the Roy City, Utah 250 community? So moved. Thank you, Randy. Do I have a second? I'll second it.

Thank you, Diane. This is a roll call vote. Brittany. [clears throat] Council member Paul. I. Council member Scott. I. Council member Wilson. I, Council Member Saxton, I, Council Member Jackson. I, thank you, Council. Uh, resolution 25-33 is approved. The next one we have is consideration resolution 25-34, a resolution of the Roy City Council authorizing an agreement with Comcast of Utah 2 Incorporation for a cable communication network. Matt, I believe you're going to carry this conversation.

Yes, thank you, Mayor. This is one we've actually done before, actually twice before um in this last year with Centry Link and Connect. Um this uh franchise agreement is not any different from theirs. [clears throat] Um the terms are all the same, but uh Comcast did want it into a different format to fit their format. So, um really the big the big issues were above ground pedestals, things like that. Um, so if we do change anything here tonight, we do have to change it for the other um, two companies as well. Just to let you aware of that. Okay. Any comments, questions relative to resolution 25-34?

Maybe I'll just ask a question in regards to the public comment we had earlier. What is the normal fastest practical means that is referred to in that particular document to be? Yeah. Yeah. So, it's written that way because we can't answer that. It depends on time and situation, right? It might be to go knock on the door. It might be to call Brandon. It might be to send an email because you can't get a hold of anybody. Um, they are required to immediately notify not only the the property owner, but the city. But it's written that way because we just don't know what the situation is. Okay. Thank you.

Other comments, questions, council? Well, I just like how we're doing all the same. So, we're not having the tall towers. We're just going to make them all be uniform so they'll be all level with the ground. So, yeah, I agree with that. Okay. With that then, uh, do I have a motion then to approve resolution 25-34, a resolution of the Roy City Council authorizing an agreement with Comcast of Utah 2 Incorporated for a cable communication network. So moved. Who said that? I did. Thank you, Ann. Okay. Do I have a second? Second. Thank you, Sophie. This is a roll call vote. Brittney. [clears throat] Council member Saxton. I.

Council member Paul. I. Council member Wilson. I. Council member Jackson. I. Council member Scott. I. Thank you. Council. Resolution 25-34 is approved. Now we have consideration of ordinance 25-18 consideration amending the general plan to include a water usage and conservation element as per Senate Bill uh 110. Uh Brody, I believe you're going to lead us on this one initially. Uh thank you mayor council. So yes, this is a requirement back from 2022 uh that all cities had to add this element to their general plan. I know we h had the presentation two meetings ago.

Yeah. uh with kind of the draft since then it's had its official public hearing and planning commission. There's been some changes that the planning commission made after taking public comments. I believe those changes were actually sent to the city council. So we gave you as much time as as we could to to review those changes. Uh but this is a requirement and it does have to be done before the end of the year per that per that Senate Bill 110. Um the planning commission uh took comment and uh made the changes and approved the document that you guys have. Uh both Mr. Parkinson and I believe Mr. Watkins who is the drafter of the document are here if there's questions about the document or or anything and uh myself, Mr. Watkinser and Mr. Parkinson are all here to answer any questions. But uh they're really it's pretty consistent with what you've already been presented and and you've had that that document. Let me know if you have any questions.

Perfect. [clears throat] Okay. Council, any comments or questions relative to this conservation element? Yes. I' I'd like to address them to you or to Okay, great. Thanks.

Hi. Thank you. Thanks for your work. Thanks for doing this. Um, I'll probably just go through this maybe page by page. I've just got a few questions and I'd like to start on page six if you wouldn't mind. Six of 18.

Six of 18. Yes. Thank you. Thanks for the clarification. Okay. I was just wondering when you're talking about the um the 55 gallons per acre, you know, per day on that high unit on that table, table 2-1.

And then when you look at page 8 and um it talks about the 70 gallons per capita per day. I was just wondering if you could clarify the difference between the DPD, you know, of table 2-1 and then what appears to be essentially the same thing on table 2-5 and how it goes from the 55 to the 70. And maybe you could just um review that for me. Thanks. Certainly. Yes. And there was a footnote put below table 2.5 on page eight which

this this is a table uh that is provided in the water conservation plan adopted a year ago and we're we're making efforts in this new water conservation uh water preservation element thank you to coordinate between the two and refer to the two. So the note the kind of the the tail end of page eight says that there is a difference in a per resident rate of that 40 to 55 range versus a per capita

and uh or or a per employee per resident different than per capita and per capita would be more of the total water use commercial parks recreation all types of water use divided by the population. So it's more of a gross um per capita measure. Whereas when we're trying to just measure what would new residential use incrementally then we try to target more of a specific residential use and that would be the 55. That's correct. Whereas the 70 um is is total kind of as I mentioned and I was just in my mind thinking it's interesting that employees and some of the businesses would be used you know would make it higher versus lower

and but apparently we're still pretty consistent we think with that number and yeah and and what's interesting in table 2.5 in the water conservation plan is it projects the potential for that 70 per capita to drop over time and potentially by the year 2050 to be as low as 61 gallons per capita. But that would be achieved through conservation not just for new development but existing development that there could be education and focus and and uh reduction. Okay. Over time. Thank you. And um

then I was wanting to if you don't mind go to page eight of 18. Actually, actually, I think that's the one. It' be nine, nine of 18. Okay.

I was just wondering when you go to the um the verbiage that says table 3-1 and it's just above table 3-1 and it talks about the the net acre rate, you know, which is the inches per per year. And [clears throat] I was just wondering, you know, you go through this and we have a lot of information and a lot of numbers later on that talk about that that na net acre inches per year. And so I'm I'm going to start there with that net acre rate, the inches per year. And then I would like to go further [clears throat] and look at your final your final tables which which would be that you know those diagrams that you have where you talk about the you know that the drops on that sort of stuff. So when you're talking about that net acre rate and now if we turn to page it's not really labeled but it's the first mixeduse commercial residential water concept which is the one right after appendix B. It's the second page of appendix B.

Sure. So, if you take a look at all of those diagrams, you see like for example, the first one says 23.7 acre inches per year for the high water use concept. And then when you take a look through all of them, like at the very last one, it talks about the individual homes, single family homes, and they're like doing fantastic 3.8. And so I was just wondering when you take 23.7 acre inches per year. First of all, I'm wondering can we change that a little bit maybe to gallons because most people don't understand the acre inches per year. So maybe we could throw that in there. But that would be like taking 23.7 times it by 27,000 gallons. That means we're using for that little area 643,000 gallons. And I'm just wondering how does that work? Could you explain the the lot size of this? Because if you're if you're saying that that's 23.7 acre inches per year, I'm assuming that that means no matter how big your lot is, you would just divide that. So it e equ equals you know if that's a half an acre lot for that mixed use or two acres you now it's just not kind of adding up. I was just wondering if you could just explain how the lot sizes are being used or is it straight across acre feet and why there would be such a big difference when you talk about the 5.3 acre feet for the residential, excuse me, 3.8 at high level and and so 3.8 acre inches per year, that's really not much at all. And what we're hearing as we read through this is that the residential water use is actually higher

than mixed use commercial. Anyway, that kind of changes it from 643,000 gallons down to, you know, a mere like like 90 90 gallons per year on that. And I was just wondering how consistent we are. Are those sizes really consistent? Because the numbers weren't adding up for what the actual sizes were from what I was reading. Well, I'll let you touch on that. Um, the gallons that you were talking about that, you know, wanting to change that, it was a when we sent it to the division of water resources,

they checked with the agricultural, they checked with Weaver Basin Water Conservancy District. So these numbers are we used to have them in certain things they all said okay we need it by this type of just definition and unit. So that's why I mean yes it's not going to be understood by us but those who are in the water area understand it a lot better than when we had it originally by gallons. So I I So they're wanting to keep it that way. Correct.

Okay. Now part of it the mixed use stuff and and single family homes the mixed use are three or four acres versus 6,000 square foot lot. So you got to think about it it's we get a large development versus a small. So that's why probably the just just you know the number so that 23.7 acre inches per year is that for like a three or four acre um thing because you know what what our unit is because if you think about

what that adds up to I mean alalfa is considered the highest use water of for agriculture c crops that's about oh maybe maybe a million gallons of water 977,000 we're saying that we're using almost the same amount with alalfa watering if we use mixed use commercial residential. So I was just wondering, you know, maybe we should say 23.7 4 acre inches, you know, if if we're really talking about 23.7 for 4 acres versus I was just wondering if you you it just wasn't adding up and I was just wondering and for me the way I understood it and maybe you could just help me understand that.

Sure. The table 3-1 page nine is an effort to compile the the numbers those kind of raindrop numbers that you see representing the so you see the uh kind of the subheading table 31 says total sight water and that's the darker number on the left and then the that converted to water per acre net acre is in parenthesis to the right that's an effort to clarify so maybe

so Maybe what would be helpful is and maybe would just, you know, refer to that and that kind of takes care of it. But but that certainly would make more sense than when you're multiplying out the gallons and what the usage is because it doesn't tell like what the unit is when you're looking at those other diagrams. But if you come to this 31, it it does help that a lot. So I appreciate that. If it was clarified on the concept designs, I think that that would be very helpful. I think Yeah, that would be great. Thank you. Thank you for for that. I appreciate it. You bet. And if I could just respond uh with one more detail. Yes.

Um so since the planning commission hearing and and just last night I went through all the numbers one more time and uh in converting the inches per year to gallons per day, I did find that I had the wrong conversion rate. So I have that updated and basically it takes the table 3-2 that's in your packet and ups everything by 20%. Okay. So, I just wanted to make that note publicly that it's consistent. Just it will go up and it's just one number that was needed correction. Okay. That uh changes that uniform 20% in outdoor water use. All right, that sounds good. And if we do go to table three Oh, did you want to

No, go ahead. My comment would be Brody is is that [clears throat] then this obviously cannot necessarily be approved as is. We need to make some modification based on the adjustments. Yeah, we would just have to do that in your motion. Okay.

Okay. All right. And then if you look at three-2 and we're talking about um the acres, if you look at the top of 3-2 acres at 2030 it says 33 acres, 2040 89 159. And I was just wondering, can you explain like where those acres are coming from or how that relates to the population and jobs? Are we saying that we will have 33 acres that are developed? Yeah. At that point in time and then

and we'll now suddenly have maybe it's a redevelopment issue 159 in 2050 or I was just wondering where we're already kind of landlock are we talking about redevelopment or how that 3389 and 159 for the acres goes in. Is that what that means? As you look back I can't remember page two. Uhhuh. Well I'm going to go to the map page four. So it has shows in white areas within the residential still need to be developed and in the downtown area it's in you know black X's. Yes, that's redevelopment. So you are going to have things that even though we are landlocked that will increase in okay capacity and or population andor.

So we're just thinking that maybe by that time we'd finally either develop or redevelop that. And again, these are guesstimations of sure it, you know, I can't say in five years, yes, we're going to have, you know, another 30 acres developed. It may be six years or it may be 12 years. Again, these are just guesstimations and going through how things could. Thank you. And then on that same page, I was wondering, could you just kind of u define number nine, the right-sized amenity areas? And then we refer to that several times throughout this. So, like who decides what right- sized amenity areas are? or who makes that decision? How does that come in? Because we use it a lot throughout this document.

Uh this is a comment that came from the planning commission looking at. Okay, so I have a multifamily residential that requires 45% of impervious surface and of that whole thing 25% has to be a park, but it's right next to a park. Should we really have that double amenity type of thing? Could it be more of a passive thing within the development where it's, you know, benches and some tables versus grass for an activity space?

So, those are things that when you look into the later on in the in the document where it says, okay, these are things we need to look at and study and do. So, that's one of those things to look at to study and do. The planning commission will take these recommendations and then start going through it. It won't be every project eliminates their their area, but we'll look at it. If if you're in such a distance of a park, why double the requirement? Okay. So, according to our current to the zoning and what's currently there, right? So, like you take RailRunner for example, they're within 100 feet of West Park.

So, like the thought was why have double requirements if if they're within a distance? Mhm. Planning Commission will look at what that distance should be and how it how it all works. Okay.

All right. Thank you. Then if we can go to page 16 and if we can look at 04 and then look at this the subn numbers. Um I was and it talks about potential city landscape ordinance updates potential. So, I realize that these are potential and that we're not, you know, mandating it. But I guess one of the concerns I have is at 5.4.5, it says establish a requirement for the percentage of tree shade cover at mature growth, including street tree spacing and shade coverage. Now, I'm gathering that that is for residential as well as commercial or is that is that true? And then so that's almost starting to sound a little bit hoaish, you know, like you have to have I know it's potential, but um you have to have so much tree shade and that takes a lot of uh flexibility and decision- making from you know the individual owner of the home. And it kind of does that same thing with 5.4.6 below it. You have to have a minimum and a maximum foliage coverage at mature growth for plant beds. and going, "Well, now we're getting a little bit tight, realizing its potential, but if we agree to this, I mean, I can understand maybe just taking it out or maybe saying, you know, we can encourage or we can educate, but to say that one of our potential ordinance updates would be to establish this mandate, that's a little bit concerning for me." Maybe you can discuss where that fits in. Well, we we could definitely change the words from established to explore just that makes it more optional.

But also from the landscape architect that helped draw some of these, he did say that the more trees you have keeps the the temperatures down. So if we have more trees, less temperature will be, especially those who just do nothing but rock. We we need to have those kind of coverages and the the shrubs and stuff. Similarly, we should have coverage of the ground for temperatures and stuff. So, we we could definitely change the word from established to encourage or research explore something. I think that would be better because I mean certainly we would like it, but I just am not certain that's something we should be mandating. [clears throat]

The great thing is these are just suggestions. So, when the planning commission and council look at it as an ordinance, then we can be a little bit more more pinpointed specific. Okay. But with that comment, Steve just saw I'm on track and Brody, [clears throat] I'm sure chapter 13 specifically indicates that there is going to be some specific plants that have to be put in there and some of the information found in that document are trees and it specifically states that it has a requirement for a number of, you know, trees and um islands within the parking. It does have a percentage of of mature growth for shrubbery and stuff. Yeah. But it

that's for all new development. How do we now look at existing development and how do we help encourage them to go to waterized planting versus staying the same? Well, I agree, but I'm I'm just saying is is that you're walking a fine line because if there's ordinances already states that you will do this and then you put a element in there that simply says something different, then you've got to bring some consistency in terms of how the general plan is going to be laid out. And chapter 13 only deals with commercial. I understand. You got your multifamily zones that don't have that aspect in it. That's correct. But this one, this particular area we're talking about does talk about mixeduse,

which is a combination of commercial, potential, and and residential. And it is potential city landscape ordinance. So, I mean, it really kind of encompasses really everything. So, okay, I I I would just have caution if in fact I I don't have any problem with encouraging. Those are good things. But to her comment was relatively going back that says you're establishing what defines as an HOA standard that says you will follow this guideline and my comment it's already written in the chapter 13. It already is an HOA first. Yeah. For it tells you exactly what you're supposed to do area. Yes.

So if the issue is I don't like that statements then it's more than a than just this document. you need to go back to the original ordinances that we have on the books today and it states what they should be doing particularly in the commercial or mixeduse areas. So I council I only suggest to you certainly this is a focus and you can certainly make the changes here but if the consensus of the council going forward would be is that we don't like the words that tend to be mandated forcing HOA was the term used then you better take a serious look in terms of what the current ordinance says because it is a very HOA mandated specific requirement and that means you need to come back and revisit chapter to 13. That was my point.

Yeah. And and again, this is a general general plan, so very high level look at stuff where the ordinances is very specific and on sites and stuff. So, okay. There is there's that difference in requirements.

Yeah. And again, it's it's the establish a requirement. It's not we're not establishing the requirement. The the call out is to establish a requirement, which would potentially be to your guys's point, the change of chapter 13. Well, it just it just means that if the intent was not to if the intent of the conversation was more focused on the idea that simply says we want to kind of be this this uh government control driven requirement which you get those controversies in a lot of different areas. Then this is the vision of the future. That's really what this document is. Here's how we see the future. There are mandate requirements within the existing ordinances you have to do this.

I mean Michelle may be able to say this a little clearer and you probably know it, but there are specific types of trees that are mandated that you can plant in your front yard. Uh particularly in the park strip. Uh they don't want those big oaks basically taking up the road and and the and the sidewalk. So they they have a select number of specific trees if you're going to plant here's the trees the city wants you to plant. Those are mandates. It kind of takes the decision out of the hands of the owner of the property because to follow the ordinance, you have to follow the ordinance for what it says. So, if your intent would be is you want to look at this council a little broader, it won't happen here. Certainly, it's an opportunity, but you ought to take a look at your existing ordinances because they're pretty mandating.

That was my that's my point of the conversation where this covers both commercial and residential. you I just think it would be nicer to have that option a little more flexible for individual homeowners. So I mean you guys can discuss I don't know if if encourage sounds appropriate for you in those areas because we already know that you know as you mentioned for the chapter 13 and commercial they have different guidelines but for individuals I think it's nice for them to have a little bit of flexibility. [laughter] Okay. Is well. All right then. Um I was wondering

if if I could um I've just noticed with your helpful feedback 5.4.1 through 5.43 have the words could be modified. Right. That's correct. Whereas 4.4 through 4.7 are a little read almost more like code. So those could be softened back to read more like explore this or yes um could potentially modify or explore modifying for those four. I I that that would be a nice way to do it because the others definitely are very distinct that way. Yeah. So thank you.

So so for I guess the point going forward would be is council do you want to change [snorts] 5.45 45 and 5.46 to remove the word establish and put the word encourage because if you're going to do that we have to make that as part of the motion encourage or investigate or something that doesn't research well get we got to give them a word. So what do you want to do? Is there a word that you prefer over encourage? Say evaluate. There you go. That's a good e word. That's a good one. I like that. Evaluate. Okay. I like quarters.

And would the council like that to apply to four, five, six, and seven? Yes, please. Any anything that's established, move to evaluate? Yes. Is it [clears throat] that right? And or if you decide, you know, could be fits in there somewhere. I didn't read through that in enough detail to say that. So, okay. Okay. Okay.

Anything else? I was wondering on page 17 under 5.4.10 it talked about include standards for the low impact storm water design features and um and it talks about seeing you know 4.8. This is just kind of more of an aside. I was just wondering if it's kind of like including information or stuff. Is there a reference or a link? And you put C4.8 eight, which I think, you know, is helpful when you go to that and and maybe that's sufficient, but I was just wondering at some point in time, um, and maybe 4.8 is is sufficient for that. So, thank you.

Let them figure out. I think that the next of the rest of them are just those the references on the appendix B and I think we've already discussed those just because the the numbers don't those little cute raindrops don't seem to be as consistent for size. We can't tell what type of what size we're actually talking about for 23.7. So, if we could maybe just reference that so it's more consistent, that'd be great. I think that could be done with uh clarifying that the the raindrop numbers represent the per net acre if I'm remembering correctly. And then to also show the site total acre inches or uh inches per acre.

Okay. Or inches sorry the site total and the per net acre because then it would be more consistent I think. Yeah. Add both. Okay. Okay. Okay, but I'm not that great. I'm not sure [clears throat] at this moment what we've just changed uh if we want to change. Here's what I think I've got so far. So, correct me if I'm off.

You've already forwarded some recommended changes to Brody uh to Britney in terms of recalculations of some of the numbers for outdoor watering. You mentioned that, Tim. Okay. We just agreed that uh in changing the word evalu from u yeah established to evaluation on 4.45.5 and 4.5 4.6 okay and seven and seven. Now, the question then is anything else that we're going to change because there's going to have to be a little bit to this motion to make sure we get all this in here.

And then it was just clarification of the peret acres in appendix B, right? We just wouldn't that be the way to say that? And what is that? And that would be in the motion. Teard drops have a better explanation. A better explanation. You know, some of you better be keeping track of all this because one of you are going to have to make all these statement in the motion in order to get this correct or this thing's going to go south real quick and we'll call for a table. Okay. [laughter] Okay. So, give me give me the other change you just mentioned because I'm trying to keep track of this before we go.

Yeah. It is to provide both the total sight water and the water per net acre on the landscape concept design and that's associated with which particular table or or appendix [clears throat] appendix

B. Okay. Okay. Anything else? Anybody else have any uh comments, questions? Okay. Um [clears throat] uh mayor [snorts] the table that has the corrected updated numbers um on page 10, I mentioned that those are uniform 20% higher. Yes. And uh and what table number is that? Uh 3-2.

3-2. And that results in just a very slight uh change to the summary of the reduction on that same page. So it says presently a 33% reduction from the high to the moderate and a 62% reduction from the high to the low. And uh those just change a tiny bit. Yeah. My my comment Tim would be is more making sure that the motion basically includes the adjustments that you have already forwarded. So that is part of the record. Yes.

And then we address the things that Diane mentioned in 4.45 4.46 excuse me 5.46 and 5.47 and then the appendix B in terms of sitewater numbers. you know, we have to make sure that's all part of that motion so that Brody, you know, exactly how this thing's going to be rewritten so that we in fact approving that. I just want to make sure we get all that on the table. And so, and thank you, mayor. But as that stated, I think if we state that in the motion and then I would just ask in the motion that it be consistent with council member Wilson's comments in the meeting and that would kind of cover us for those clarifications unless some other council member

but there was a lot of comments being made by Diane. So I'm kind of I'm going to make Diane [laughter] make the motion. I mean that's No, all I'm saying is I just want to make sure because there was a lot of stuff that was more gathering data and information, but but our discussion led to changes. Right. Right. And and and they're recognized in the record. So, we want all those ones that you've listed. Okay. [laughter] Okay. All right.

And by the way, the mayor doesn't make a motion on this one. He just makes the emotion to approve. You have to clarify. So, uh Okay. Anything else we want to do to this document? Council Diane? Anything else? Okay. [clears throat] Okay. Think this one through. Do I have a motion then to approve ordinance 25-18 consideration amendment to the general plan to include the water usage and conservation element as per Senate Bill 110?

I move that we um make that ordinance with the following changes. So your motion to approve and okay give us the following changes which would be the recalculation tables and clarification that have been already submitted and discussed. The second thing would be to change the wording to evaluate on 5.4.4 through 5.47 47 and also with the changes of clarification peret in appendix B and that these will be consistent with council member Wilson's comments in the discussion.

Okay, [clears throat] we now have a motion. Okay. And or excuse me, Diane, you give us motion. Do I have a second? I'll second. Thank you, Randy. Okay, this is a roll call vote. Britney [clears throat] I council member Saxton I council member Paul I council member I council member Jackson I

okay ordinance 25-18 is approved Diane I just want to make sure thank you for the input it's obviously important but the council uh the council really needs to understand exactly what's being changed uh as we go through this process and and may I make a suggestion councils going forward if you have kind of changes like these okay submit them uh to the entire council in advance of this meeting let us basically work through those one thing I have found that works for me for clarification before I ever basically come into the meeting I send Matt and Brody a list of my questions so they can prepare to answer those um they're prepared to answer that helps us to make sure that we we work this uh there were some good changes that are being made, but it's so important that that council you understand exactly what you just approved. Okay? If not, the next council will come in and make those corrections. Uh sometimes if you have a chance to read that in advance, it makes a little bit easier. Thank you for the ordinance 25-18, it is approved as adjusted. Uh consideration of ordinance 25-9. Uh by the way, Tim, thanks for joining us tonight. U

thank you. This is [clears throat] ordinance 25-9 amending the title 10 zoning regulation chapter 10 general property development standards in 32 parking and residential zones chapter 19 off- streetet parking and loading and in general provisions 8 [clears throat] I'm going to stop with that you're going to lead the conversation thank you

uh thank you mayor uh councel I'm actually probably going to defer to council member Wilson again a lot on this because this is a lot of her work, but this is an ordinance to essentially amend different titles of our zoning code to allow uh more parking not only in the front yard setbacks but on sideyards as well. Um I know there's been a lot of talk on this for quite frankly years between the council members uh and the planning commission as well did a lot of work on this. Um, and I do want to point out one time I think earlier it was mentioned of maybe some difficulties between the council and the planning commission and and I just want to say that um I personally appreciate as someone who communicates with both both bodies um I appreciate everyone's passion for this and that it is sometimes okay that we have disagreements and want to do things differently. But ultimately, um, as I stated earlier, the law allows the city council to bring this up and debate it. Um, and I think part of governance is sometimes disagreeing or or wanting to do things different than other people, and that's okay. Um, that being said, um, I know Council Member Wilson has a couple of tweaks she would like to make to what is proposed currently. Um, I'll let her discuss that and then I'm here to answer any questions as well.

Okay. Council uh comments or questions relative to ordinance 25-9?

Yes, thank you. I just wanted to um specifically first address 10-19-2 under 8 a little 4. And I believe that [clears throat] um the way this is written was probably maybe um a misunderstanding of the diagram that was meant just for a visual. The discussion that we actually had was to be more consistent with other cities. And so I would propose that we actually change that first sentence to say properties less than or equal to 100 ft frontage may have no more than two driveways. That's what we actually discussed at the last meeting. And so, um, to omit that first sentences there and then insert that because that would be more consistent and then continue the second, uh, sentence as is. And, um, and then with that, I would like to also address some comments and emails that we received for concerns.

[clears throat]

One of them was to add carport on the diagram. So it said carport and garage. And I think maybe legally it's not necessary, but I do think that that makes it a little more helpful. I spoke with Brody and he said that shouldn't be a problem and could be helpful. Another comment was to consider adding pavers under 10-10-32. It's is included because it says an approved all-weather surface and we can make this discussion whether or not we like it. But to give people that might read this a suggestion that they could use pavers or pavers might give us better drainage as opposed to concrete asphalt and that might just give them an idea. So that would be cons uh something there. And another comment that was brought up was reminding people that permits are required before additional cuts. And in speaking with Brody, although we don't normally write that in these um in in these documents, it might be helpful just to put permits are required right after 8 A4 where it says additional 50 ft. We could just say permits are required just to remind people because I believe so many people are unaware that first of all it was illegal and second of all that they do need permits for curb cuts and things like that. A lot of them just do it having no idea that it's required. So it might be just a nice reminder because if they come to read this it would be right there handy for them. So again those were several different items and I would like to maybe just summarize them. The first thing would be to change the sentence

at 8 A4 to say properties less than or equal to 100 ft from frontage may have no more than two driveways or something that equals that. The second could be that at the end of that paragraph where it says one additional drive approach may be added for each additional 50 feet, we could just add permits are required or permits are required before additional curb cut. And we'd ask Brody to put whatever he thought was appropriate there. The third [clears throat] thing would be to add uh pavers up under 10-10-32 as an possible approved surface just to give people an idea that that's an option. And then the fourth thing would be to add carport to the diagram. And so because of those we would need to change that diagram and not have um the feed on it. We wouldn't have 75 ft on that to keep that consistent.

Okay, council. Um, okay. [clears throat] I'd like to tell you I'd like to know how I how we move forward with this. These are a lot of recommended changes that are not currently found in this document. Uh, I don't think there's really a pressing issue that says this has to be approved tonight. Uh and and I don't because some of these recommended changes uh Steve left Brody you probably have to answer there are found in other portions of the ordinances where in fact approved surfaces have to be are identified and stuff. So when you make a change and says we can use pavers versus other things, uh there need to be consistency between what we're changing in this particular part of the parking ordinance uh in 10-32, but it needs to be consistent where it's found anywhere else in the ordinances.

That's a good point, Mayor. Both on the chapter 13 side as well as other parts because parking is a lot more than just this ordinance. There's other components. Yeah. You have to bring in compliance. Uh, I don't disagree with the comments. I think there might be some value to that. Uh, but I I say if it's easier, just take it out. It is it is kind of a flush thing, but don't worry about pavers. It was just kind of a bonus comment. So, I see your point, mayor. Thank you very much. Yeah, it would just be basically uh whether or not my comment would be is if you're if you're dipping into areas that are also found in other parts of the ordinance,

then we've got to make sure that the recommendation coming out of this change is going to impact and change those other ones to keep us consistent. This certainly has addressed the 1010-10-32, but it may not address all the other areas where they're dealing with parking and and the permit requirement as stated that's certainly found in a different area. Okay. Adding [clears throat] it here is probably not a problem because it's just clarification of what's already been stated. But but certainly we can do that. You mentioned pavers and then you that last one. Help me with that one a little bit, Diane. I just want to make sure I understand the last because you had four pieces you wanted to have adjustments to

on on the diagram. Just add carport to [clears throat] garage so people understand that it's not just garage but carport. It could be a carport or a garage. Mhm. Do we even need to do we need to specify? But if we don't need to do we even need to say that because it falls within setback. Isn't it a setback or do we have to add carport? Do we have to say garage or carport or No, you do not have to at all. That's okay. Well, if we want to keep it simple, then that would be fine too.

Yeah. But just for to your point, Diane, there are parts of the ordinance. I've gone through parking in this ordinance u many many times on a lot of things over the years and there is ordinance that does refer to garage or carport. I mean, it makes that statement in the document. Uh the fact that this illustration only suggestes garage probably not problem uh but certainly just recognize that your point about carport is found um in other parts of the ordinance as garage or carport. So you're certainly accurate with your point. I think Brody's comment would be is may not be necessary here if it's if it's just reference one or the other. Yeah, the diagram uh I'll be while beautiful and I do love art, it it has no legal significance. It's it's there for illustration.

It's for illustration. Is there an illustration purposes only? Okay. All right. Thank you. But I think some of the opening comment was if someone's going to pull the ordinance out of the city website and wants to see something, you get into the language, it can be very confusing.

Look at an image, you can say, "Yep, I think I know what I'm talking about now and I can do this." So, I I like illustrations because illustrations are simple. Okay. Wording, not so much, though. So, okay. So, here's what I think I got from all this. So, we're on the same page. Properties [clears throat] with less than 100 ft can have one or two driveway approaches per frontage. Irregardless of whether 75 ft, 50 feet, 10 feet, they're allowed to at least have one or two. Correct.

Okay. and and then adding a comment that's suggested at that same location. Uh a permit and and I think it's make sure we got permit right here, Brody. You got two types of permits. There's certainly a permit to do what we want, but you also got a curb cutting permit that's required as well. And most people, to your point, that's the piece they forget. They need to get that permit. is I think it's a no fee permit if I remember right, but but they need to get a curve cutting permit so that it doesn't impact other parts of uh storm water drainage requirements. So should to since you're talking about that and we may simply make the adjustment, should that include a permit to include a curve cutting permit? What's your suggestion with that? So my suggestion is to just say permit required just so that if it becomes a curb cutstorm water review permit in some that it doesn't require the order.

The key would be is get them into the city and the city can look at the what they're looking at and make an assessment. It's basically there as a form of notification with that's all it require. Do we have to send anybody out for that actual curb cut to verify that it's done to standard? Yes. Okay. And we do that and public works is happy to do it.

Yeah. Well, I guess I'm just looking at it from a cost perspective because there is a cost associated with sending an employee out to go through and do that and whatnot. We're just saying because again, typically the curb cut would come at the time that you, you know, build your house, property, whatever. And so I I I if it's a zeroost permit, but there's still a cost associated to the city, should we not charge some type of nominal fee for a second curb cut? So that's a great discussion when we're actually talking about amending fees or not. Right. This is not a Right. Right. So if we want us if you would like staff to work on that, we can bring it back, but you can amend the fees in this discussion.

Right. Right. Yeah, but I think Randy, your point would be is that it will require resources to be able to cost us. Yeah. For us to send an employee out. It's not a free, you know, thing. Okay. Anyway, I think we [clears throat] got some good information here. Let me just make sure council you understand what we're saying. If you think of a culde-sac, and I've lived in a culde-sac, and interesting is it makes those turns. Okay. The actual frontage in a culde-sac is very, very small. That's true.

Okay. 50 feet. You may have 120 feet in the back, but because it's in a shape as it is, 50 feet, 30 feet. The way we're way we're planning this and playing this out, uh, I can put two curb cuts on any feet that I have. I think the city and the planning commissioner says, "Hey, if you're going to do it, at least let it be 75 feet because that's really narrow." But this rephrasing really comes back and say your choice. Pick and you know, [clears throat] I don't know if you can I don't know if the wheelbase of the car will be able to turn, okay, in that arch.

Yeah. To get in and out, but [sighs] Okay. Well, I was thinking people that live in culde-sacs, I mean, because my daughter lives in one and a lot of the people that live at the end of the culde-sac that don't have that frontage, they just all park their cars out in front of the culde-sac because no one ever goes in front of their house. And I don't know if that and so they would never probably cut and put a driveway out in front. They just all park like that's their driveway. But I understand.

Yeah. But just recognize u and I just want to put a perspective to this and appreciate that comment. [clears throat] The law is very clear. Chief can verify u if a car is parked on the street during a snowstorm, there's an expectation to get that car off that street so snow plows can come through. Right.

Uh colosacs unfortunately are usually the last of the ones that get plowed. Uh having lived one, I can tell you honestly that's how it is because other roads have higher priority. But but that's one piece of the conversation. And and of course, um I [clears throat] just, you know, I guess at the end of the day, if if all we're saying is that somewhere in the middle of all that's going to be a little piece of grass and that's considered to be uh has to be available, then parking on their front yard, as long as it's approved surface, would be perfectly acceptable. And okay, I [clears throat] I guess my last comment would be is uh we got 15,000 houses in Roy. Okay. I'm not sure what the actual number is. I haven't looked at the document. That's all.

What we're talking about has impact on 15,000 houses in Roy. Any one of them can follow this as it's being written. So, I don't think most of them will even care. Uh but certainly it's going to change the landscape of Roy City if approved as is. In fact, either way it it's coming to us is going to make a significant change in terms of how we address those. So, um [clears throat] that's where we are. So council,

I just think that more families live with their parent, more kids live with their parents because they can't afford to buy a house or um you know, m multiple families. I mean, just down the street from me, I have seven kids that go to all share the same bedroom downstairs and uh my gosh, they have a hard time finding anywhere to park all those cars. And so I think more and more people, we've had people come to council before that said that their kids had to move in with them because of, you know, loss of a job and circumstances. And I just think that uh if they have an option to have something, you know, not parking on the grass, but I mean, I don't know how many times will this will come up, but if they can at least have that option to, you know, park legally somewhere on their property, I just think we need to give that to people because of circumstances of housing nowadays. But

yeah, and I I think to the original extent when the family came to the city council almost a year ago and asked u that we have a solution for them. Uh and I think your point's well taken. Uh if particularly if you look at the different timing of when the houses were built, some in the 40s, some in the 50s, certainly some recently uh back maybe when the houses were built in some of the older subdivisions, uh they only had one car, right? and having two cars was never going to be an option and they built and planned the housing development around that. Now, not only they paid off the house, they have more than one vehicle, but now they got trailers, boats, and everything else that go with it.

So, there's certainly an argument that suggests is is that the ordinance needs to be adapted, okay, to meet the needs of the current group. Uh but I will my only comment would be is what we're proposing uh tonight uh will revolutionize changes. Okay. Ail ability for changes across the entire city.

Uh and as long as the council agrees that this is the best interest to most of the public, then I guess you've give them a choice. And I think to your point, if they got more tra than they basically have accommodations, then they need to get the authority to have the accommodations to their property made. That's a good argument. Uh me, I would have probably just allowed more parking in the backyard, but some of the properties, be honest with you, Brody, you can't access the backyard. Uh the properties are still too short. 75 ft on a regular house, that's not going to put a lot of room on either side of the house. And certainly when you deal with town houses where, you know, you can you can you know, throw a stick from one window to the other window and that. So this will be interesting. Um, I just ask you to consider all of that as you as you finalize your your uh your final decision. So, okay, [clears throat] you've heard it all now.

You have anything else to say? Here we go. Okay. Any other comments or questions? Hearing none then. Uh, do I have do I mo do I have a motion to approve ordinance 25-9 which is amending the title 10 zoning regulation chapter 10 general property development standards parking and residential zoning chapter 19 of the Roy Park excuse me off streetet parking and loading and general provisions within a 8AV [clears throat] 4 1A. So this is this is a little bit depth. That's the motion.

I'd like to move that we accept ordinance 25-9 with the following adjustments that under 8A4. The first sentence read, "Properties less than or equal to 100 feet frontage may have no more than two driveways and then keep one additional drive. Approach may be added for each additional 50 ft and then add permit required." Okay, Diane, that's the motion. Do I have a second?

I'll second it. Okay, I have a motion and a second. The roll call vote. Brittney. Council member I. Council member Jackson I. Member Hall. Hi. Council member Wilson I. Council member [clears throat] I. Okay. Thank you council. Ordinance 25-9 with the adjustments has been approved. Perfect. Uh, city managers and council report. Matt.

Yes. Thank you, mayor. Um, just a friendly reminder with the new year, we have our new calendars coming open at the aquatic center and at the parks and at the Hope Center and things like that. Um, those things will be open after January 1st if you'd like to make reservations or have any questions about that. And then also, um, as you know, this is our last city council meeting. Um, I have said this to you privately, but I also want to say it publicly. Thank you so much for your service. We appreciate it. I'll turn it over to you guys. Thanks, [laughter] Matt. He's a man of few words. Okay. Thank you, Matt. Council, comments or questions?

Well, I'll jump right in in that same uh vein. And mayor, I would like to thank you very much. which I've had an opportunity to learn extensively and grow as you have led this city. You have dedicated immense and inordinate amounts of time, energy. Um I think you do your best work at 2 and 3 in the morning [laughter] and I'm still trying to figure that one out, but uh I haven't uh developed that habit yet. Just I just don't know that people understand how much time you have put in. But I just wanted to thank you very much for your mentorship as a group and your individual mentorship. It has has been very um you know lifealtering, life-changing, city changing. So thank you very much. And then with that, I would just like to thank Sophie. Sophie is [clears throat] it's been such a pleasure to work with you. Your inclusive nature and your ability to think things through carefully and look at all sides has been helpful. and and Randy, he's always adding a little bit of uh humor to things and uh keeping us on our toes from one end or the other and appreciate your willingness and your generosity. It has been a pleasure a pleasure to work with you and uh and I guess and I guess you'll be changing roles. So, we'll look forward to that and let us know how we can help you in any way we can. But, uh, thank you and Brianoo, keep up the good work and thanks to all of our staff and thanks to all of you who come and come to these meetings and and help us out and have input and study things. We really appreciate it and look forward to to the next chapter. Thank you.

Thank you, Diane. I wanted to [clears throat] thank Bob also. I did it in October because I didn't think I was going to see you again. and um I you have some big shoes to fill and um and you've g given me already a lot of help and I appreciate everything you've done for the last eight years as the mayor and everything you've done beforehand. Uh, okay.

You've been a great example to Roy City and and Sophie, you just learn to love people that you work with and it's just been a joy to work with you and and Randy, all your dumb comments sometimes. [laughter] We just laugh afterwards. But I'm looking forward to the new adventures being the mayor and I just want to wish everyone a merry Christmas. I think there's just so much turmoil and problems in the world right now. And I just hope that everybody can just um have a joyful, wonderful Christmas season. And and I just have a good friend who lost his wife and now he's wittleled with four little children. and to sit and think of everything that you have in life and how lucky we are and to not always look at what we don't have because um at this time of the year we're very fortunate to have what we have. So that's all I have to say.

Great comment. Thank you anbody else.

I have a quick comment. just it's truly been an honor to serve the residents of Roy City over the past four years. And when I stepped into this role, my goal was to strengthen the community that we all love. And together, we've accomplished that. And I couldn't be more proud of this group that I've been able to get to know and and be a part of the accomplishments. We've accomplished more than I could have ever imagined. And that's the crazy part of it. good, bad, indifferent, and all of the disagreement that come together sometime, you know, it's it's every [clears throat] piece of this has just I couldn't be happier with with the friendships that I've um received out of this and I'm grateful for the conversations that has shaped my decisions. I'm grateful for the trust that was placed into me, placed to me. And while on my time is coming to an end, I am so grateful for the privilege in serving um the residents. I'm grateful and thankful for the city council and the may all of you and the mayor. Um I'm thankful for the staff that's helped me tremendously. Um I'm sure Matt gets so sick of my phone [laughter] calls. Explain this again. Explain this again. Um and all their help. I couldn't thank them enough. To all of the employees that make Roy City amazing. Um, I love this city. I'm so grateful that my family and I call this place home.

I know. Um, I truly love Ry City and I will continue to in the background cheer the city on in the council and the mayor and the employees, the department heads, the I was not going to cry. Anyway, it has been one heck of a ride and I love it and I would um grateful to all of you who do this. That's the I very grateful for that. Very very very grateful for that. Um and I will be here cheering you on as you move on and do this. And I'll see you in advance. I'm always around and I was serving before this council and I will serve long after this council. So there you go.

Thank you, Sophie. [clears throat] Randy, you have a comment?

I do. I do. I do. Well, first and foremost, it's been an an absolute pleasure to serve along each and aside, each and every one of you. Um, when I was contemplating what I was going to say, I mean, I reflected back on, you know, my time as a council member. Um, they said run for city council. It'd be fun, they said. Um, and it has been. It legitimately, honestly, has been. Um I mean I look at what you know the the personal journey that I've been through um right after I started my first experience with like Roy City was right before my um my grandfather on my mother's side passed away and uh the fire department came out and he had fallen out of bed and uh the fire department my mom called and they were there within five minutes and got him back up in bed. Um, and so I ended up losing both of my grandparents on my mom's side. Um, like right immediately after I started, uh, city council, just a year after I'd started. Um, and then in the end tail end of that year, uh, I also lost my father. Um, and then I also lost my last remaining grandmother, my, uh, my mom's, uh, or excuse me, my my dad's, uh, grandmother. So, it's been an interesting journey um to see where I started out, where I'm at, and and where I'm actually going. And this wouldn't be, you know, um this wouldn't be a good closing oratory if I didn't leave you guys with some at least words of advice and encouragement. And and and I like to call them the the council member scadinisms. And the best one that I can remember that I hope you guys will always remember and that is I' I've said this and I've said this multiple times. Plagiarism is the highest form of flattery. Always remember that. Always remember that you can be you can be um on the bleeding edge of you know passing

ordinances that conform to different you know uh new state laws and things of that nature. But always remember plagiarism is the highest form of flattery because it also helps our staff. And and that's the thing is the one thing I do have to say um is Roy City does legitimately have the honest to goodness be best staff that of any city out there. Um when you talk to any of the employees, that's one of their overarching reasons that they they turn and and stay at Roy. I mean the the you know leader of the group uh Matt Andrews, I've known that this kid since he was in elementary school. That's legitimately how far back uh Matt and I go. You cannot have a more um you know honest um man of integrity than than than Matt Andrews. If you just want to hear the forest from the trees, then you have Brody Flint. I mean, he will he will tell you how it is, but he does it with so much love and kindness and you know that he just has, you know, the the best of intentions uh for for Roy City. Britt, you are the glue that legitimately holds everybody together. I look at you as the, you know, Cub Scout denmother of of my youth because you basically make all the Cub Scout scouts come together and, you know, do the do the boondoggle projects. Um, and and so thank you for your your tireless service. Um, Sophie, we came in like a wrecking ball as as you know, Miley Cyrus, the Miley Cyrus song says. Uh from our first night, we set at a really crazy um pace in terms of what um our our time on council was supposed to be and has been. Um Brian, you are legitimately the heart and soul of of Roy City. Your heart is always 100% in the right place. You are the advocate for the little guy, and I completely and totally applaud you for that. Mayor, to

Diane's point, good heavens, uh I I I get up at 2 or 3:00 in the morning because that's typically when my dogs have to go out and go potty and I would on occasion refresh my email and go, "Oh man, there's another email from Bob." But it was always done with the best of intentions and you were always so incredibly incredibly uh gifted in terms of your ability to delve into the details. I always thought I was a policy wonk, but good heavens, good sir, you take the cake in that department, and I applaud you for that. Diane, even as of today, your level of an attention to detail is something that I have always completely and totally admired and I I do believe, you know, since you were reelected, the the citizens of Roy do appreciate that and I look forward to, you know, seeing exactly where again, your mind just is an amazing an amazing tool and I applaud you for that. And all I have to do is ask, you know, what year did this person uh graduate from Roy High? Or somebody graduated from Roy High and you can tell me what year uh they graduated from. I have been nothing but, you know, I have nothing but the utmost admiration for you and just your willingness to serve Roy City and always do what you feel is is of the utmost importance. And then to city staff, Chief Gwyn, my I love you like a brother. Your team is incredibly fantastic and I I you know I I can't go out on a higher note than saying just thank you. Thank you. Thank you for your service. Uh Chief Williams, we've been through a lot. I'm still going to be here. Don't worry. Um I think I've gone on for more than the four minutes that's typically allowed when I will next time be on the other side of that die. Michelle, as I say, you continue to make Roy City a great place w with the recreation department and each citizen that shows up every week. Thank you. Thank you for actually coming in and participating. Thank you for your

comments. Thank you for making me just a generally a better overall um city council member. And again, I I appreciate the opportunity that I had to serve uh you know, Royce City for these four years. And you know, I guess I'll leave that as my last comment as an elected official. So, thank you so very much. Thank [clears throat] you, Randy. Brian, you're the only one who hasn't spoken. if you'd like to share a thought.

That's that's great. First of all, I'm sorry my voice is weak, but my heart is strong for Roy. I want to welcome Police Chief Gwen back. really I'm glad to see you back because that means things are improving and so thanks. Um as far as being on the council, u my wife said, "Don't run, don't run. What if you win? What if you win?" and you guys have been fantastic to me, all of you truly. Um, the only thing that I could add to what's been said is in the six years that I've been on the council, I can point to many things this council has done collectively. And when you guys that are leaving ever think that you didn't do enough, I would just remind you of what has been accomplished. Northrup Grumman. Look at the jobs that came with Northrup Grumman.

Still coming. Yeah. And still coming.

5600 South. Look at that project. That's a major road project. Look at the trail side on 6000 South that you made to the trail there. Great use of that. I look how you help municipal park and I look at the businesses that have come in in the last little while. EOS City Buffet, a new Wendy's, a new Wells Fargo coming, a Twisted Sugar. So, be proud of who you are. I'm proud that I live here. whether I was on the council or not. And I promise the next two years I'll work just as hard as I've worked the last two. I'll be here. I'll be at the meetings and I'll be objective and I'll be fair and I'll take the time to listen. [clears throat] I'll miss you, Mayor. I really will. Sometimes you were the only phone call I'd get,

good or bad. But I want to say thanks to the public aoy. You put me here and I promise not to disappoint. That's it. I'll miss all of you. I really will. Thanks.

Thank you, Brian. Um [clears throat] let me just make one last comment. Uh and then you'll have the opportunity. U [clears throat] for a long time the magazine the Roy magazine connect magazine allowed the mayor to make comments and I did month after month after month. In fact I still retain all that. Britney thank you so much for helping me facilitate that. So the mayor had a lot opportunity to say a lot of things and do a lot of things through that with a new newsletter. I get to do that and have been able to do that literally for six months of the year which has been very favorable for me. Uh and so my comments and my feelings all of that are certainly found in the printed page that are found in those documents that we send out to the public. And so I don't want to elaborate too much more on those things, but certainly it's been a pleasure. Um uh this is 12 years. Um I can remember the day I walked in 12 years ago uh into the into city government uh having just now walked out of federal government and it is fundamentally different. Um and so thanks for the opportunity. We've had a great thing Brian to your point u for years I kept track and still have that data of all the things that have been accomplished. It was important to me to be able to do that in large part and because my responsibility also include to provide a performance review to the city manager in January which you'll now have that opportunity and and with that then I can go through literally page after page and says these are the things Matt we were able to accomplish in large part because of your contribution. And so it was nice for me to go through that and what we needed to work on and that becomes pretty powerful. Uh to Brian's point, hundreds and hundreds of things have been accomplished and it did not happen by accident and it certainly didn't happen by one person. It happened because of the teamwork. And so I appreciate we able to do that. Roy City

is a better place today in large part because of your service. You don't have to go too far to basically look and see the things that you've got your fingerprints on because you certainly were able to make that happen. may or may [snorts] have been had an opportunity to help, but the final decision truly less with the city council on everything. And it is that decision that makes the changes that need to be changed. And so we appreciate that and you certainly have done a great job. So good luck to you. I certainly have ambitions and where I'm going to be going, what I've got planned. And so uh after tonight, uh we are done. But I have made one arrangement with with Britney is that when I walk out of here in about three minutes, I'm taking my sign with me. She will no longer need that. And so if you happen to be an individual that basically feels that you'll have an opportunity that tonight, then may I suggest to you, would you consider taking your sign with you? Because in all fairness, you earned it. And with that then council do I have a motion then to adjourn?

I just want to stand and [applause and cheering] give a standing ovation to these people. So I just want to thank you very much [cheering] because we have really appreciated your effort. Thank [applause] you very much. Thank you. Thank you. And can I assume with that Diane you're going to give us a motion to adjurnn? I've never done that motion to adjurnn before. First time's good. All right. With that, I move that we adjourn. Thank you. Do I have a second? I'll second. Thank you, Sophie. It's always hard. We can carry this on a little longer. Okay. All in favor say I. I. I.

Any oppose say no. A. Hearing? None. We are now adjourned. And thank you. Thank you for your service. Okay. He'll be