Historical Advisory Commission - Regular Meeting

So, yeah, we'll just record to say we're we're not forgetting. I have some couple of folks here. We're ready to Alright. So it is it is 11:30, everybody. And I'm Kelly Morgantini. I'm the vice chair. We need four people for a quorum, so we're waiting on one person. John Skorkas, is not available today. So we're waiting on a couple of other issues. We're just wanting to let you know we haven't forgotten about you, and we will get started in just a few minutes.

So we can stop. Mhmm.

The record for now is 11:32. I'm sorry. And we have a we have a quorum. No. That's great. We have a quorum. We're okay. Our our chair is not here today. John Skorkis, so I'll take over as vice chair. I'm Kelly Morgantini. And with that, we're calling calling to order. We can go ahead with the with the roll call.

Mike Village? Here. Judy McCloud?

Present.

Sheila Lee Crater is absent. Salvador Munoz? Absent. Belinda Cholivan. Present. And Sheriff Spork is is absent. Kelly Morgantine? Here. So we have five present and two absent.

Excellent. Alright. So we'll go we're gonna go over the rest. We have the opportunity now for any public comment that we would like to entertain from anyone who wants to speak on something that is not part of the presented agenda this morning. Do we have anybody for the public who wishes to speak?

Should we go over the Zoom protocols?

Oh, no. Yeah. Why is I didn't do that. I didn't write it down. Yes. Alright. Let's just first go over Zoom protocols, and then we'll go on to public comment.

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Okay. Thank you, miss Randall. Thank you for the reminder. Alright. So with that, so we'll go back. Any public comments on anything that's not on today's agenda? Seeing none, we can go along. Are there any, from the any corrections or additions or deletions that anybody wants to make to the agenda itself today?

No. Through the, vice chair, there was no, agenda additions, deletions, or corrections.

Okay. Thank you, ma'am. Alright. And what about minutes? Do we have any minutes to review? We do not have any minutes at the moment. Alright. That's great. We will go on then. We have one item on the agenda today, and it I'll read it to you.

And then we do have some comment from, Mr. Skorkas, who's not here today. But it is for PLN 250160, which is Anne Urban and William j Nitzberg. It's a public hearing to consider the recommendation that the chief of planning approve an administrative design approval to allow a major remodel at a 1,122 square foot addition to an existing two story single family dwelling known as a historic Goulding House. And colors and materials to match the existing exterior are off white stucco.

Mhmm. It's a class a Brava synthetic shaped roof, which is weathered color. Retrofit wood windows to match the existing new aluminum clad windows, brown color to match. Copper gutters and downspouts, wood trim and siding color, which is tanners brown. The project location is at 3377 4th Avenue Carmel. Assessor's parcel number, 009 Dash 153 Dash 006 Dash 000. It's in the Carmel land use plan, which is in the coastal zone. And we do have a staff report. We have a resolution. Exhibit b that we would have all have received today are the project plans, the colors, and materials.

And we have a phase two historic assessment, which includes a phase one DPR that is prepared by Meg Clovis. And with that, I will hand it over to Steph. Thank you.

Good morning, HRV. My name is Erica, and I'll be presenting your.

Sorry, Erica. What is your last name? Thank you.

This is PLN 250160. Is the proposed site. The proposed project is located at 3377 4th Avenue in Carmel. It is on medium density residential with the maximum growth density of two units per acre in the coastal zone. The proposed project is an administrative design approval to allow a major remodel a 1,122 square foot addition to an existing two story single family dwelling known as a historic building house.

Colors and materials are to match the existing except for the new copper gutters and downsides. This is a single family dwelling, and colors are to match the outside.

Oh, wait. What just take a break just to let the record, reflect that we do have Sheila Prater who's now joined our meeting today as well.

The Golden House was built in 1928 and is in the Hampton Field subdivision, which was developed by the Carmel Land Company. The developers did not build model homes but relied on contractors who invest their own money to build speculative houses. One such builder was Serbian architect, Antoines Nestobic, who built the subject property as well as five other homes in Hatton Fields. Nestobic was formerly a professor of architecture at the Art Academy at Petrograds. By 1926, Nastavik was partnered with the Carmel Development Company and started building residences in Hatton Fields and in the Peters Gate area of Monterey.

The Carmel Development Company promoted Nestlevic as an art architect with the reputation of building distinctive homes in the popular revival styles of architecture. Here's a little history. A phase two historic report was prepared by Meg Clovis, a qualified historian on the county's list of historical consultants using the Department of Parks and Recreation form, which concluded that the property is historically significant under California register of historical resources criterion three, and it's eligible for listing on Monterey County's register of historic resources under criteria a one, a five, and b one. The house is eligible because it embodies the distinct characteristics of the French eclectic style of architecture, and it represents the work of locally significant architect Antoine Nostopic. Here are the elevations.

This is existing, and below is a proposed. There's the east elevations.

South,

and the west. The HRB oh, our recommendation is that the HRB adopts a resolution recommending the chief of planning to find the project exempt pursuant to sequel section one five three three one and to approve the administrative design approval to allow the major remodel of a 1,122 square foot addition, to an existing two story single family building known as a historic building house, and the colors and materials will match the existing except for the new copper gutters and downs.

Thank you, Okay. Do we have

a presentation or any comments from the outfit?

Eric?

Hello? Yes?

There you go. Do you have any anything else that you would like to add or to present?

Sure. Sure. Yes. Let me just make a quick statement. Hello. I'm Eric Wineke with Wineke Park in case you don't know. Our goal is to restore and preserve the historic nature of the house with a focus on the 4th Avenue elevation, the the most important elevation, and honor the work of Nisovich, the builder. We worked closely with the historian Mae Clovis and improved our original plan with her input. We also hosted some of the historic board to get more feedback prior to submitting for approval. Finally, in addition, at the previously remodeled North Backyard elevation is our best interpretation of what Nassauis might have created to complete his vision for this wonderful home had he been here with us.

Thank you.

Thank you. Alright. Bringing it back then to the group. Do we have any comments from the board? And I do know perhaps, Sal, you could start. I do know, as mister Lumpur said, that that you and John Skorkas actually met with the applicants.

We met at the site with the owner's host that that were really nice hosts. We met with Meg and John Skalkas on the side, and they explained in the inside how they wanna all of the changes even before getting any graphics for us when we were able to experience the space. And then by looking at the plants as they now presented, they did a an excellent solution to to the remodel. And from the front, we couldn't we cannot perceive even what's what happened behind the building. And by looking all of the facades on all the foresights, it really blends in and complements the design as a neglected design, and and they follow the secretary of interior's guidelines really well.

There is only one little clinch in the in the round one on the on the right side. You could you could perceive about 18 inches, you know, from the facade, but because of the landscaping and everything, you don't even perceive that. And then at the top, there is a a couple of feet of of roof that you could see if you were right on right in the perpendicular to the building, but you gotta go back about a block or two to be able to perceive the roof. So, actually, it has been, you know, a very good solution to this addition.

Excellent. Thank you for your time to do that. And that's exactly what John says as well in his email is that the email with you and in a review with the subcommittee that you all felt that it was consistent with the Secretary of Interior's guidelines? Yes. Excellent. Thank you. Alright. So any other comments or questions for our applicant? Yes, sir. Mister Phillips?

I went to see it myself, and just to what Sal said is out in the front, I could see three sides opposite. Couldn't see the back. It looks after reading all of this and seeing everything that we have, I agree. It looks like a great opportunity to do what they're doing for the song.

Thank you. And I I

know and all of our historic consultants are are good. That's because that's why they're on their list. And miss Clovis is especially I've

we I think we hold

her in especially high regard, and she had some of the same things to say. So any other comments from Sheila or from Judy or Belinda?

I'm not seeing any public comment on Zoom or Right. Online. Okay.

I'm sorry. I I didn't either. I just kinda skipped ahead. So so thank you for clarifying. Alright.

I just had one for you. Maybe it's I'm just reading it on in the description, something about aluminum windows. Were those new aluminum plaid windows brown color to match? That's all in the new edition portion and not part of the original house. Correct?

This is Eric Michael responding. Is okay?

Yes, please. Go ahead.

Yeah. Just to clarify, yeah. That's for the new edition. That's part of our differentiation, which is required by the secretary of state secretary of interior, rules.

Mhmm. Okay. The matching geometry is nice. Anything else? Any other questions? That was the only I just I couldn't find it on the plan, but the plan saw all the existing windows being replaced. I just wanted to confirm. So

Yeah. Thank you.

Thank you. And just

and still no comments, Bill, from from the public?

Not that I'm seeing. I believe everyone on the screen for this item. But if anyone has any public comments, that would be the time.

See none. Anything else, Ms. Winkl, you would like to add?

No. Just it's an honor to work on a project like this. It's a special property. And, to be able to bring it into the twenty first century for the client's needs while still having a high regard for the historic nature of the house is just, I feel very blessed.

Alright.

Thank you. So, Sheila, anybody have a question?

This is not about the structure itself or the plan, but it is about the draft resolution Mhmm. On which I noticed a few places where there appeared to be misspellings and a couple words left out. And so on page 16, at the bottom of the page, the last whereas, it determined that the Gouldinghouse is eligible for the listing, and eligible should have an e instead of an I

begin with.

On Eligible. Page 17. No. It's not. It should say

too it is determined. Right? It just says it determined. So it is determined if the building house is eligible?

No. It refers to the VPR. Is it? Okay.

It determined. The it Okay. Alright. I'm sorry. It's alright.

Eligible. On page 17, the first whereas, the proposed, and there's a word missing there, includes a 2,900 square foot interior remodel. So I'm not sure what should be there after proposed. And that's page two of the resolution. Yes.

That's project.

Project. Yeah. Project. Or just the project. And project includes Instead of proposed, it should be project.

Okay. So just take proposed out.

Is that what you're suggesting? No. Okay. Replace it with project. Mhmm.

On page three, Just second. Whereas on the page, this is awkward in some way. The proposed project qualifies for a class 31 categorical exemption pursuant to fix section fifteen three thirty one of the CEQA guidelines. This exemption applies to projects that are for the maintenance, repair, stabilization, rehabilitation, restoration, preservation, conservation, or reconstruction of historical resources in a manner consistent with the Secretary of Interior Standards for the treatment of historic properties, the standards are exempt from CEQA.

I'm not sure. Something's not quite right there. It should be

and is exempt or maybe a couple. But you would say and is exempt from CEQA.

I think, it it's hard. We're talking about an exception, so I think we could just simply delete the words are exempt from CEQA because that's what we're talking about, this exemption.

Plans to projects. Yeah. Just stop there.

So just take out are exempt from CEQA? Yeah. Right. Okay. Yeah. And the last, whereas the proposed alterations to the Goulding House have should be been reviewed.

I've been reviewed. Yep.

And I think that's it. Thank you, Sheila. Mhmm.

Okay. Mhmm. So with those corrections and considerations and comments, do we have are we ready for a motion? Approval. Okay. Judy moves to approve. But do we have a second? Second. Alright. Seconded by cell, Mr. Munoz. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Nope. Motion carries. Our resolution then is should say resolution number PLN25 no. We don't have a resolution number, but for our case, PLN250160 is approved. Yeah. Alright.

Thank you. Thank you all for your good work. Thank you, Ginsel, and and also miss mister Winkoop and miss Urban for really paying attention to this. It is very much appreciated.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

Thank you. Bye.

Bye bye. Bye. Alright. Thank

you. This is mhmm. Good. Alright. If we we

can now move on to other matters.

If we have anything here,

board comments and maybe an apartment update. So board comments, request, and referrals. This is the time when we are set aside for us to, you know, to comment or request for a matter thank you to staff. Thank you, missus Gonzales, and requesting an item to be added to a future HR, the agenda, etcetera. So anybody I have some, of course, as always. But anybody else have any comments or things they would like to bring up for us today? Sal, you have to have something. No.

You Well, we had a very successful historical presentation at the, at Baronda at the week this weekend. Mhmm. Mhmm. Yeah. There were 21 historical entities represented in there. Really? Yes. Yes.

Well, for for a little bit off topic. It's still HRB related, but the Monterey County Free Libraries Association, good lord, in November, on some day, and I can't remember what it is, we're having our it's a it's a fundraiser, but one of the things we're doing is Santa De Hacienda. And because it's the library, we're bringing in a bunch of authors, and we just confirmed this morning we're going to have first name Pete Hiller. I don't know if you know him, but he wrote maybe two years ago, he wrote an extremely good book on Joe Mora our local architect. And so Peter Heller? Peter Heller. What do gotta call Peter? He's he's just called me P. I'm sorry. But, yeah, Pete Heller.

And so he's gonna be there. He's gonna talk about his book. Of course, he's gonna have one, but I thought it was a very good, really good connection, to HRV, and he's still out there. The other thing is just for CLG. Yay. I went to the our local, our American Planning Association conferences this week in Monterey. Mister Angelo was there a couple of places I saw him, and I was actually able to get some CLG units. So, hopefully, you did But one of the interesting things is that they did have a panel on Watsonville and the restoration of Watsonville through, you know, historic in the historic district. And I thought, you know, it's a I thought it'd be a small room like this, and we get, like, six people. It was a packed room.

There were probably, I would say, at least a 100 people, close to a 100 people Mhmm. And standing room only in the back. So, you know, if any of us ever think, you know, really nobody's really paying attention to historical resources, they sure are, especially the even on a statewide level. So they were they they really did that. And on the opposite end, I went to other topic, and I don't even know what it was about.

But it was for re it was for reuse and redevelopment, and I believe it was down in an Orange County city. And they had an historic public works yard that looked a lot like the old Amtrak Center. It wasn't a railroad center, but it looked like that. It was, like, a nineteen thirties. And it was it was, as important probably as one of the Joe Mora places. It was owned by the city, and they decided that they couldn't they tried to do some reuse. They thought they could do it, and they said, nah. We just can't work what we want into the historic structure that's there. They could have done it. It would cost, like, an extra million dollars.

So they decided to tear the whole thing down. They just they just demolished it, the whole thing. And now it's a nice, fancy, shiny, big public works yard with some houses in it. And it was just you people were sitting there thinking I don't know if you read that one or not. But people think, oh, how did you do this? It's gonna look like a really good really good reuse, and they were gonna do all these things. And they're when they finally when it dawned on everybody in the room that they didn't, they just said, we can't do it. We demolished it. There's like a there's like a whole gasp. And then these were pretty and these were not even historical resources people. These were just, like, planners, and they were shocked. Uh-huh. And so so and they just kinda went over it. They said, and here's what we're doing. By the way, we knocked we knocked the whole thing down.

And so we brought it back to them and said, well, what in the world did you do? That was historic structure. Nineteen thirties. It was clearly eligible for the historic register. We did a video. Are are there storyboards? No. There's a video. Where is it? It's on YouTube. Can you tell me even how to freaking get there? No. It's it's on YouTube. Some used to search for it. They didn't even know. So it was like it was like, from when in standing remotely, here's we're doing good in Watsonville versus another place. Nothing. Just like That's why

the courts have decided that the videos and the pictures posted don't reflect what's tore down. They they're you know, for years, it was like, well, it's tore down. I mean, I think the pinup holes was one. Horizo was like like, oh, what what we'll do is we'll just put up a little storyboard, and you can go look at it and see what it used to be. And the courts are saying that is not what they consider Okay. Appropriate. Yeah. Yeah.

I thought it was just it was really insightful. And Yeah. We do we do a really good job here. All all of us here and the staff does a really good job.

When you lose those big structures. Because you just it's like, the character just vaporizes.

I don't know. Like, ugh. Yeah.

I'll be honest. It's just like the same thing. Every time I drive through Carmel Valley, drive past that. I don't even know what the building is called. The dance club. It was a dance club in the twenties and the thirties, and it burned down and stuff. You drive past that, and you're just like, oh, it's because it was a feature where you knew, oh, this is where I Robins this is where you turn off to get to Robinson Canyon and up the hill. Otherwise, now it's like, oh, drove past it. It's not there. It's a little burned structure. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's it leaves a hole. It does leave a hole. Everybody goes, but there was no viable use for it. If it was a road sign. Yeah. Yep. It told people where to pull over and, hey. You gotta get off the road here because now you're going into the deep dark valley kinda thing.

And it's it's the character that is lost.

Yes. And Truly, the character is lost. So yes.

Yes. Mhmm. That's why at the Burunda Adobe, we have been scanning all the historical buildings. So just in case we lose any historical buildings, My office bought some technology so we can create virtual tours. Like, any building that was demolished, we can still feel the place as we're walking through the space.

I wish we could have that for our isosprints and all the and and also the the horse stables over there in Babel Beach, etcetera. So we can preserve and actually feel how the spaces. And you can push some gurgles, and you can walk through the space.

Oh, wow.

Yeah. I think I think this is a really good example of how we used to be able to say storyboards and videos because it's all all we could do, but the technology we have now Different. Is is is tenfold better.

Yeah. You can experience that, that you feel like you're on the in the building Yeah. Within the space, and you can go around. And I think it's legitimate

now in you know, for what a little bit we do for sequel review and conditions of approval, etcetera, that I think there's we could start being able to say, we believe that there's something more if you're if you're gonna make that decision. Yes. Like, we were all happy in this one this one presentation saying, oh, we're looking at the building and how old it was. We're oh, how it's gonna look really great. And then, again, they just said, nope. Nope. And then there's a video. Like It's that thing. There was that cartoon once. What was it? Bambi meets Godzilla. Do you guys remember that? Oh, you have to look it up. Like, Bobby I don't think

I did. You gotta

do Bambi just sitting there, like, drinking water.

Missed that. Something

Yo. I'm off. It was, like, a minute long, but it's like, this is what this is how I felt when I was saying, oh, why don't we just tore it down and put some buildings up? Yeah. Bambi just sitting there, like, drinking water out of a stream and eating grass and whatever. You hear the birds flipping around and whatever, and just hear a little bit of a rumble. And there's Bambi, and he looks up, and there's just big one big foot, like, from Godzilla. He smashes it down on the ground. It's like this I felt the same way.

Smashing. Yeah. You can

do something different. Anyway, I just I I realized that we're around here. Santa Cruz, really respected, doing a lot of really good work. Other places, not so much, but I I realized that there are things that we can do. And I think we could, you know, maybe this is one of the ways we test the bounds of how far our conditions of approval or our treatment of the the resources that come through in historical resources board that can can keep making a stand. Yes.

Has anybody here been to Porizo Springs? Actually, that's I drove up there.

We got to the gate, and then they were locked. Yeah. You can't get all the way up.

No way we could get in to see what's there.

I don't believe that they've been doing anything. We can ask the the planner. I'm not sure.

The neighbors rat them out. Yeah.

I mean, they're still kind of shopping stuff around.

Yeah. The neighbors were not happy about what's going on up there.

So Oh.

I would imagine if something that was going on We'd know. Yeah. Mhmm. They'd know. Yeah. The building department, planning department would probably hear from him. Because they that was a very contentious issue between the neighbors and what was going on there, and I can't blame them. I mean and that's a big difference in in everything for that area.

Well, I if anybody's interested in meeting mister Killer, send me an email. I'll do my best to remember when Please. When the fundraising is. I know I'm having that. Phil, is there anything oh, Neil signed the books too. Is there oh, it's the day of if there's a there's a a Giants game on. No. No. No. No. Jack That's not bad

at me.

Not the Giants. That's forty nine years.

See, it's a Don't

ever forget, Angela. But

aren't they on, like, every Thursday or Sunday night? I don't know what the rules are now with the NFL.

Pretty much

every because aren't they going to Europe now, I heard? And we're like, what? Don't have enough money. Yeah. I'm gonna see figure I went to college with him.

Oh, yes. Okay. I will I will find out for sure the date and let

you know.

It's Avita Hacienda and Carmel and some other authors as well. Phil, is there anything or Amida, anything coming up on, future agendas that we should be anticipating or looking forward to?

I'm not aware of anything. We didn't receive any Mills Act application this year either.

There was a project I think was mentioned in Carmel Valley. The Carmel Valley managed project.

It coming up or working on it?

Will it be coming before us?

One second. I believe I

Which one's Carmel Valley Manor address? I'm sorry. I remember things by addresses.

I don't know.

You don't know? It's on. But it's not in the village? No. No. Okay. No.

We are working on an initial study for that project. I believe it will be coming before the HRV, but I don't think it'll be ready to come in November.

Okay. Okay. Alright. Okay.

And there's I wanna say the Blue Fox, the Blue Sky Flight Road. It might have a 0 Flight Road. Blue Fox is a winery, I think. Right? Yeah. No. I could be saying them wrong. I know it as an address. It's Flight Road 0 I we call it 0 Flight Road. You kinda go up Flight Road before it turns off, you know, right off of Highway 60 right off of Carmel Valley Road. You go past the running iron, and Yeah. The running iron has an intersection.

Mhmm.

This driveway pulls off at a 45 heading kind of to the to the east. Nope. Not helping. I call it 0 Flight Road because but I looked it up, then I go, what is this? And I it has an ad. It's like a hotel or something, and it's got a pool in the middle and these

Mhmm.

Seventies, sixties, seventies flat toppers, and it looked really cute. Then I see what they're putting out there, and I'm like, okay. Shocking. Wait a minute. Is this historic? Because you look at it, you it's reminiscent of the sixties and the seventies. That's I got that feel. And for for the life of me, everybody remembers the name of the historic structures. I don't. I just remember addresses, kind of where they are and how they fit in a more spatially person.

So

I saw that coming through. And that's and I looked at it, I thought,

wait. A demolition of existing or what?

I'm not no. They were they were And coming through where? I mean, the permit. The it's gonna

be heading through the permit process if it's not already here. My first thought is let them know that that should be looked at as if it is is it or is it not historic. I'm sorry. I don't have a computer to show you the address. Mhmm. Flight Road. Oh, there it is. You kinda go up flight. See right there right above it? It's white. I believe that's it. There you go. That's the pool in the center. It looks like it's in a pink. But there's they're all kind of in a circle. They look like little flat tops. They're actually, it's a really cute little setting. Mhmm. But they're gonna expand it, like, double the size. And I'm like, what are you gonna do?

Take down the old trees? Where is it gonna go? That's so I was, like, kinda I don't know if they're planning on going over the top of those buildings or what. You guys haven't seen it yet.

I am not familiar.

Oh, okay. I sometimes it just we see them pre before. I see a lot of them come in before you guys even see them because we're doing the soils reports and stuff. But that one triggered to me when I saw it. You know, we go up to sites and they're like, yeah. We just drill, get it done. That one, I'm like, this one looks like someone should look at that before they decide to go too far. And it may not be, but it you look at it, you think reminiscent Carmel Valley. I was gonna say sixties. It's a really cute little place.

It looks nice. I see a lot of these coming in the in the valley in the village village valley. And, unfortunately, I'm putting a kibosh to a lot of them Yeah. Before you guys even see it, before planning gets to them because we wanna do this. And I'm like, you're on a point three acre parcel. It's not gonna happen. But I really you know, the neighbors, they can put a high rise, but it just doesn't fit. And well, I'm gonna get a second opinion. That's okay because the rules are the same for everybody. Yeah.

They can give you the same opinion, but that's okay. But yeah. So the village has got some real restraints. But that one came through, and I'm like, seems big.

There is a voided application from January.

Oh, could be. Okay. Could be a situation where they got to you guys. You're like, here you go, and they're just running away. Mhmm. Voided.

Alright. Anything anything else? Anything from staff you'd like to bring up? Any updates or anything?

I just wanted to mention that we put up the the the the the detailed packet on, like, the application requirements for those act. So Oh, that's good. If, you know of anyone who is interested or in applying, we have a checklist, and then it has details on what's required. And then it outlines, kind of the application process and considerations.

And where can we find that on the website? Send it to us or show

me where to find it because I'd like to look at it. Mhmm.

So if you go planning services Okay. General information and then protecting cultural resources.

Yeah. Those are four steps I wouldn't have found. I'd be looking under forms. No. That's okay. Okay. Okay.

And then it's But no.

Contract. Excellent. Thank you.

Oh, that's good. Good work. Thank you. Kudos.

Thank

you. We

think of stuff like that, but it just never gets.

That's beautiful.

I don't know how you do it. I

have to sneak in some time.

It feels good to get something accomplished.

Yes. Definitely. That's great. Thank you. Sure. Thank you. Alright.

So nothing else for the good in the group? We just

call it a day? Alright. Thank you. Alright.

We are adjourned at whatever time is 12:05, I believe. Yeah. 12:08. Alright.

Whatever you need.

Happy Halloween. Hello. You? Gosh. Is it I can't say happy on Cooper.