Cultural Commission - Regular Meeting

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Well, do we wanna look at the city charter since that is, currently being looked at? So that is where we're mentioned in the charter, and those are our duties as listed. We can potentially think about changes to the city charter because this is this is the moment. And we we've changed our work plan goals to include the recommendations with respect there too.

Are we getting a seventh number?

After the first.

After the first of the year. Yeah. And we won't be able to take action on this item tonight because obviously, it's not noticed. Right. But because it is on the work plan and you had a conversation in the hallway with the attorney. Obviously, it's of interest, but that topic would be brought forth with a report at a future meeting. So Yeah. Thank you news to us, and we'll probably be getting something from the attorney's office real soon. Are you okay to scroll down further?

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Oh, the council priorities, we haven't updated in a while. I don't know if those have changed. We might wanna consider updating that. Oh, we're good. Good call. Thank you, Fabrics. Thank you. You. What's that?

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For the record, dealing with auditory issues, we wanna make sure we're not having echo. So Yep. Any meeting was not intention. Yeah.

So the these council priorities are prior. We'll double check that they're still that they're current.

Or we can just remove them also. I don't know. Correct.

Yeah. Yeah.

We don't always look at them. Yeah. I don't know if they

need to be here. Priscilla, can you check? It looks like we're muted again. No.

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That's fine. Do you mind scrolling down a little bit further?

And that's still our priorities. We haven't looked at this part of the work plan in a while. Mhmm. Did I read them out loud? I don't think that's that's weird. It's just the screen's being shared for the the amount amount of public we had online. You

can scroll.

It's not okay. It's The only update I'd have for this line is the number four just says art and wine, but we really participate in a lot of the festivals, fourth of July, tree lighting.

Yeah. I've always wondered why specific like, it's okay to call out one thing, but maybe that should only be an example.

Yeah. Because our goal, we've changed the wording and the goal around art and wine to include other events. Mhmm. We we do that in the priorities as well.

Took notes. Yeah. It might be worth generalizing number four.

Okay. So goal number one is review park site and facility condition assessments, recommend priorities given existing anticipated service levels and available resources. We had talked about a new system of, tracking our park attendance. Is there any

Oh, are you talking about, the app or this report?

Like, we had previously done the form, and we wanted to move away from the form because it was too onerous for people to fill out. And so we were thinking about maybe just an Excel spreadsheet where we track what parks we go to to try and get to all the parks.

And then if we had any issues, we would put them on the My Santa Clara app.

Right.

Right. So we we So, like, a checklist a checkmark a park checklist that you visited it. Yeah. And Yeah. Okay.

A way to keep the commissioners accountable and also a way to share

Useful input rather than Right.

General input.

Yeah. Rather than do a bunch of paperwork.

Yeah. Do you want the spreadsheet to have your the ability to do you want it electronically?

Yeah. That'd be good.

Do you want the ability to write in issues that you see? General comments. General comments. So you just want park, check mark, maybe the date you visited, and then general comments.

Mhmm.

And then anything beyond that, you will submit to My Santa Clive.

Okay. So just as a clarification, I don't know that the form was problematic in as much as it was a form. It's just that there's a lot of fields that are not applicable to all the places. Right?

Yeah.

You could imagine going to the swim center in Central Park, and it's gonna ask you about sports fields and playground and walking paths. And they're all overly overly prescriptive.

And And

it's just and they're all require well

Yeah.

They're not all required, but there are many

of them that are required.

Just a general comment.

And so a simple Google form Okay. I know if if we're a Microsoft campus, whatever it is, but some form that's, like, three fields long. Commissioner, park, comments Date. Well, you could imagine that whatever software is that's collecting the response is gonna time stamp your submission. Right. Right? So it doesn't even have to have a date field if it if it's auto collecting. Because that's still easy. It's just when you're kinda scrolling through, it's like, well, this part doesn't have four of the 10 things that we're querying on, and I have to go through all these fields and put NA. True. Okay. It sounds silly. Right? I can take the thirty seconds and fill out the form, but it is a barrier to completion for all of us,

I think, at different times. Benefit of having it just like a table rather than form is that we can see the output.

The the form can be exported into a table.

But that's But we never did. Right.

And and I don't know I'm not familiar with Microsoft tools in that way, and I think it was a Microsoft product that we were using historically. But Google Forms just dump right into a Google Sheet. Right? And then anybody with the link can look at it as long as the permissions are set right. So Okay. If something similar exists in Microsoft, that's fine because that captures everything. Right? It gets you can actually choose idea to be able to, like, look at all the responses.

Because I think transparency is one of our objectives. We wanna be able to show where we where we've been.

Yeah. But it also just makes it a little less

We'll see what we, yeah, we'll see what we can build. Cool.

And if there's a way that we can help, I'd be happy to help with that.

And it doesn't have to be fancy.

It has to be used,

though, very Yeah.

It just has to be more usable.

Because I don't know what how's in the like, what the city needs to maintain records of and, like, access to. Because if this would fall into that, then obviously, you guys need to make it. If that doesn't fall into that, like, I'm a Google user all the time.

Like Well, the way we could because you're reporting it to us and it's feeds into one of your goals. So we could have it be added to the minutes annually or monthly as a running as a running submission.

Mhmm.

And if anybody wants to talk about anything, you can. Otherwise, it's just submitted as

Part the minutes?

More yeah. Part of the minutes.

It's work. It's work.

It's being done. Visit more parks now Pivot's

where you can visit. I mean, what yeah. I mean, because it's it's something your work you're doing in in support of your goals and your work plan.

And it makes us better commissioners to visit more parks.

Well, what I hear people talk about, and I'm not taking anybody, like, as fibbers. Right? People are talking about going to parks. They're just not documenting it.

And not we're going to the same park.

Yeah.

And so That was part of the issue.

Trying to

get going to some different parks.

Trying to get an easier documentation process to get ourselves to get in the habit of just documenting it? Because I'm walking through parks two, three, four times a week. Yeah. But we're not pulling up the same form with the same button.

No. We just have to come up with a a form and a little bit more user friendly. Mhmm.

Okay. So I think that's I think we're good with goal one. K.

We're just on

oh, there

it goes. So we're on a little bit of a lag.

K. So goal number two is to review and solicit community input for existing park rebuild rehabilitation projects based on the CIP and schedule and then review residential developer proposed schematic designs for new neighborhood parks that serve new residential development. I think we do that fairly regularly. B.

And we'll have an update, for you later tonight on a couple of our CIP projects. Perfect. Great.

So check. Oh, this is where we have the place where I AI data. Any update on the

Yeah. We're we're just like everything else, we've done a good job of routing and doing what we believe well, we've gotten it to our point in the approval process. It's with the city attorney's office. And because of how busy they've been, it just keeps getting reprioritized. So we're hoping maybe it's gonna be we'll have it all in place by early next year, meaning the contract executed and software and users identified and accessed, and then we can start asking it and tracking things that we that we would like to see.

Okay. That sounds good.

And not just and it is an ongoing contract. Last time we were doing work with that, it was on a trial basis, but this is the actual Mhmm. Execution. Is it multiple years?

It should be. Yeah. Yeah.

I think it's more if it it's up to three years at least. It's between one

and three.

And one.

Yeah. And So we'll have

Do you know if it has retrospective data? Because, like, seems like if they've geotagged the

fences previously that they would have some data collection. Depends on if it's if it's authorized. If we can either get it or if it's not available to us because of the contract parameters. But if it's if it's data and it's just tracking things, people's activities in our parks and that already occurred, we'll find out.

Okay.

It would help us to for looking, you know, to set tooling. Yeah. But worst case, we'll, you know, we'll have a point in time Yep. Going forward and create start creating baseline once we activate the the contract.

Yep. Mhmm.

But I I I understand the value in looking backwards if we're able to.

Any data is better than no data?

Sounds yeah. Almost.

Yeah. And at some point It's I mean It's mostly true. Yeah.

Good data is better than

But, yeah, I think good data is better than

no data.

Yeah. Yeah. We don't yeah. Okay. So I think that's all with for goal two. Goal three I should have these memorized by now.

It's coming. Here it is.

It's to host and develop recommendations for the annual Sinathair Art and Wine Festival, and we've expanded that to participate in citywide special events and plan additional citywide special events. That's the generalization. So our priorities still say art and wine, but our goal has moved on to include the other ones.

And we named some of the big ones.

I think they're couple meetings ago. Yep. Summer concert, Sunset Cinema, fourth of July, tree lighting, street dance, Halloween. I

think we should help facilitate this goal off out outside of the meeting forum to gather input from the commissioners, like, for those events that you've been to and that you'd like to add some suggest so we can even start, like, costing, vetting, exploring any types of suggestions you have in terms of the various events we we host, and then we can co collate all of the the ideas. And then we might even bring them back and say, look. We've costed these say you give us 10 or everybody here give us three ideas. So I got, like, 18 ideas or so. And then I'm like, okay.

We have to rank these because we can't do all of them. So then you would rank them, and then we would say they cost money. So we can do if you had to do one, which one would you do? Like, no cost? This is just staffing or this is chain so we can we can group them. But we can help facilitate that so it's not so ambiguous and just like this goal that's up on the wall.

Would you suggest we do that at a future meeting or give us homework?

I would I would do it by facilitating the request, gathering the data, putting it up, and then having you guys rank it. And then once you rank it, then we'll go away and we'll do a costing, and then we'll talk to you through the dollars and or the capabilities of doing it based on either budget, staff resources, and what have you. But that way, a, you've contemplated it, b, you've provided input, c, we've talked about it as a group and ranked it, and then, d, we've identified those things that we can and can do feasibly or and then we won't be able to achieve either, or we create short, mid, and long range planning based on either staffing or financial resources. But rather than just see this goal keep coming up

Mhmm.

Without and just, like Are you talking about the create a new event goal specifically? Either not just new event, but even your feet because it talks about getting feedback on the other events

Yeah.

For enhancing existing events and things like that. You could be like, hey. Why don't something simple like, we should have bike parking, or we should have free parking, or we should have more music, or we should have another stage, or anything like that. Then we can get all these ideas and go, okay. Active stage rental, adding bands, staffing. Right? And we and we can go through it. But right now, it's just like we keep seeing this, and it's like nothing's happening. But we can help facilitate you working through it and or creating some outcomes is all I'm

That's great.

It. And I would say that, obviously, you just took a photograph tonight. You guys are all long term residents. You see that, you know, couple weeks towards the end of the year, we get the annual calendar, which also has the city's annual report in it. Right? And we're obviously working now on the dates for all of these things for next year. So as soon as you get that calendar, you're also gonna see it's pretty obvious when fourth of July is gonna come. Mhmm. Right? But some of the other things are already mapped out in yeah. That one's Yeah. Yeah. But Close. You don't hold it on Halloween.

Right? Saturday before.

So Yeah. But logistically, we're talking about doing a few new events or little twists to existing things next year. So you guys will see when the calendar shakes out some of these things coming up, and it might spark some ideas and some of the conversation early in the new year of you know? So we'll try to We'll do six concerts, or we're doing eight, or you know what I mean?

Like

We'll try to launch some, like, a feedback loop on that stuff between December and January so we can try to implement and and work through suggestions, ideas, ranking, rating, both existing, like, enhancements as well as new ideas. Yeah. And then

That sounds great. What what we've always talked about also is the art and wine, financials. Like, how much money do we make for a spend? I think that will help us in the feedback to understand.

Well, we don't make anything. Right. Do we Really?

It's But how much do we

I just

How much do we spend?

Right. I mean, the purpose is not to make I mean,

we don't react.

Do we even see how much is going to the groups or anything? We haven't seen any

I think we?

We found out how much was going to the groups the next time that they come back. Okay. Yeah.

So we can make a point of adding that to the January agenda, and then we can also I wanna take a comment that I said earlier and fold in with Damon's as well. Our budget is already set in the current fiscal year. Right? Yep. So some of the ideas and recommendations are more easily funded, right, when you have an existing budget.

It's like we might be switching an emphasis in one area. But, also, it seems like as soon as we finish doing the capital budget, we start doing the operating budget. As soon as we finish the operating budget, we start doing the capital budget. So our operating budget will be here in a minute. And so as you have ideas, it will also help us as we're developing the next budget cycle, which really begins right at the first of the year. Yeah.

And it's also you know, say it's more I know Eversley loves music. And and yeah. So it's like maybe one of the ideas that's generated is another stage or more music, and then it would be we just need to and while we do have our budget, we can look for we can say that's a great one, and we'll look for additional sponsors. And so if we get sponsors, we'll we'll be able to add. If we don't get the sponsors, then in the future, we'll ask for more budget. So there's ways to leverage, but we need to know in advance on some of those ideas. So Sure. The sooner we start cranking on them, the the more we can try to actively implement them.

Has the city ever done anything like a like a sponsored sponsored hosted carnival? Either no host or hosted, like, with So rides that get set up on the big flat playgrounds that are

For those of us that have lived here our entire lives, ironically, there used to be a carnival at the end of the Parade of Champions.

Yes.

So that was not city sponsored. Right? But it was the parade of champions was the facilitator of that. The city was a cosponsor. FYI, that always fell on or around my birthday, so I thought the parade and the carnival was three of Clearly. Clearly, because, you know You are a champion. Born and raised in Santa Clara. Right? But ironically, there was. Yeah. And then when

It was actually on Mains.

Mhmm.

Mains. The condos weren't there.

It was on Jackson Street.

Jackson went

The apartments were not there. Okay. And the carnival was set up across the street from the Franklin Mall.

And then I would say that when I was organizing Kids Kingdom many moons ago, we had a mini carnival in Kids Kingdom, and we had Otis and Tawana from Midwest that did their route throughout the country, and we were there September mid September stop. They've since retired, but it is a much smaller version than what I'm I'm imagining you're thinking. Well, I But And I know from sort of we tried to

do something similar at the school, and the school district was absolutely not the liability, and the insurance was just outraged.

Well, they used to do one at Cabrillo every year. So for years, there was a huge Yeah. It was Yeah.

They were grandfathered in, but then Yeah. It got harder and harder just because the insurance liability.

I ran one at a church school. Mhmm. It's And it was and it in the in the nine years I was involved with it, it continually changed based on liability Sure. And insurance and everything just in that nine year span.

So I just I I I know they still happen. Right? Like Right.

And in

different scales. Right? Christmas in the park in Saint Vincent

Correct.

Only brings, like, a Ferris wheel. So it's

not have a lot more there too. Yeah.

Great. And I know different church groups do it, like, down in Campbell or other places, so I know that they still do it. And when I'm sitting here trying to think through, like, events that are missing from my childhood that is that the city park that I lived two blocks over from when I was a kid, they had one every year, and we always thought we were so lucky because we could just walk. K. And we'd have to fight with parking.

Yeah. We had Frontier Days in Milpitas every year. Big carnival. Yeah.

I grew up with the baseball carnival. The baseball teams brought it in.

Yeah.

And so that's just, like, one of the only things that that comes to mind, obviously, is, like, a missing

Yeah. Thing. You can surprise us when you guys put your ideas out there.

And then they can come back with the cost.

What I also find is that, like, we have all these great events already, but I find that several people don't even know about them. And so, you know, I guess part of that can what the effort can be about finding ways to publicize the events, market them. Like, for example, the the spooktacular that happened recently. I was talking to a couple of neighbors, and they they didn't even know that there's something like that. And they were, like, pleasantly said, oh, we will go.

This was Damon's first event, and he was shocked

So who will look freaking We did market it lightly Yes. And it was more than we could

Yeah. So I understand.

And if you could we market

it. Yeah. If we there there's a tipping point

Then they come.

Of enjoyment, like, where people are then saying, hey. I heard about this, but I stood in line for four hours and got nothing. Yeah. So it's it's a real it's a good event, but

to But maybe other things, you know, like, art and wine. Right? Yeah. Although that is publicized really well.

That is, and the part of it too is a subscription based Yeah. Like, the way we're trying to market as a city is for people who wanna hear. We don't do a lot of, like, paid for or boost marketing. It's like if you opt in Mhmm. Then you'll find out about things. So I think when you hear about those things as commissioners in the community, I think the best way is to go on our city's website and do opt in, whether it's citywide news or parks and recreation. Though if if you're interested in events, those are the and, I mean, library.

Yep.

Think of the ways A lot. Yeah. Library does a lot of free events, parks and recreation, and then the city will boost Yeah. Additional things like the creative champions and other so if you wanna be in on that type of stuff, we're we're really looking for an opt in.

Yeah.

But there is I mean, there is and there's only so much marketing you can do. And things are here today and gone tomorrow. Right? So but those are good.

Yeah.

Those are good.

I think it was back in 2015 or 2016 when I was on the cultural commission. When we're doing the street dance, I had the idea to let's have a big kid zone. And since I'm over the UFC gym and they do a lot of kids events, I actually brought in the U F folks from the UFC gym to run the kid zone. Didn't cost us anything, give them free marketing and advertising. And they had bought in bouncy houses, physical activities. Mhmm. And it became more of a family friendly event, not rather just the adults showing up for the music and drinks. Yeah. But families came with kids because we promoted kids in addition to Yeah. The regular street dance.

And it was face painting. It was every a lot of stuff going on that was focusing on kids. Everything was free to them. Nothing cost anything. They just go there and Yeah. And have fun. And we both that was when you might have seen the mayor posing with Darth Vader. A friend of mine, that's what he did. He came in with Darth Vader and was entertained and very low cost.

Yeah. Well, it sounds like there's some good ideas bubbling up, and we'll try to capture those. And and then, we'll have record of them as part of the work plan. Yep. Thank you.

Well, for for us to participate in the parks and rec master plan process. We did, and it should be ongoing. Right? Or is that the last presentation we had?

Yeah. The last one you had was the feedback loop to make sure that our goals were, in alignment, and, we've been working feverishly on a final product with the consultant. The goal was originally to bring it back to the commission in December. We're we're just barely missing that. We're now looking at January, February commission council.

So it's either January February January commission February council or February commission March council. So we're right on the doorsteps of the final draft, and I need to actually close loop with the city manager's office and talk about how we can get it in front of council and then and then make sure we're scheduled to bring it all to you all.

Will we get it in advance of the meeting more than just the agenda to read through, or will we just get it when we get the agenda? Started the agenda. So everybody should start reading it as soon

as the agenda. Yeah. It's pretty lengthy right now. Yeah. But I would say a lot of it is photos. We get our version actually next week, so, we we will need to go through it as well. And with the holidays and stuff, we wanna make sure it's a polished product to provide to you. So that's why we're targeting, the first of the year. We didn't want it to come to you in December and and not be a package that we could, you know, really shine with. So we're close. We're really close, but I agree that it will be a much more substantive packet when you do get it. There's no mechanism to let us have the report ahead of two or three days notice.

We we if there's any way I think the best way to answer that question is to say that we will get it to you as soon as we can. Okay. Whether it's part of the packet or in advance of the packet as well as part of the packet

Right. Right.

It'll all be depending on, you know, how ready how camera ready it is, who how far have we gotten with internal audits, and what timeline are we trying to make with your meetings and things. So Yeah. I think it's fair to ask.

Right. Would it be possible you have a print copy of that?

Sure. Absolutely.

Is it Upon

request upon request. Yeah. So we want I don't want it because it's gonna we're gonna kill a tree. Yeah. So if anybody here asks for a printed copy, then we'll we'll make it we'll make it so.

So the the requirement is only that it'd be posted seventy two hours before the meeting. Right. But if you have it ready earlier, you you could if you wanted

That's right.

Post the agenda with that, and you can always update the agenda up to seventy two hours before the meeting. Right? Correct. I think That's

what our hope is step up at. Right? Same time.

Yeah. But we can also supply it to you guys directly, not in a meeting format individually. I see. Not in Sure. Not in a locatorial meeting. We can send you individual That'll be great. And saying, just bring your comments Yes. To the Yeah. Because meeting. If it's such

a lengthy document, you know, like Yeah. And usually what happens is it comes on Friday morning or afternoon. Yeah. And then weekends are you know, there's something else

Oh, yeah. Yeah. Going on. Yeah.

Yeah. No. We've, duly noted. Right?

Yeah. And I think we all now know it's coming. So when we see it, we should start reviewing it or whenever. Yeah.

And, again Don't leave

it till right before the meeting.

There are parts of it that are background, history. You know, we did a we surveyed. We did this. We did that. Then there's the goals that are important and the and where we're going. So, I mean, there's things that if you have a limited time when we do send it, we'll try to send it under cover that these are the key focus areas. If you have the time, read the whole thing. But if you wanna if you wanna the cliff notes, look at these sections. So we'll we'll try to help with that. Fantastic.

Thank you.

Great. I'll look forward to that. And then goal five, I think, is our financial one. Consider the annual budget of the parks and rec department during the budget preparation process and make recommendations with respect thereto to the city manager and city council. And like I said, we're starting our budget process right after the first of the year. So for operating, as you know,

we have a two year, so it's every other. So that'll be here very quickly.

And it sounds like that goes into our next agenda item with the the facility use. It's part under the goal, the finances. I think we might wanna think about updating this goal to include that as well because it we don't have Good point. We don't have facility use considerations anywhere in our goals even though that's one of the things we do. So we have Boyd Bramble.

And Oh, is this subset?

So This is like another row on this table saying consider facility use for fields and aquatic facilities.

Okay.

Yeah. Because we do, and that would be as needed. Yep. Just for completeness.

Yep.

I can't do it.

Yeah. And the next the next budget that's gonna come through will be our capital. Even though we're starting the operating, the yeah. This coming July, council will be approving capital. So as we get closer, that's the budget that we'll be bringing before commissioned to see where we're at, what projects will be funded and coming up in the next two year capital cycle, whether it's design or actual build and what to expect, including

If I remember Measure I. If I remember correctly, it comes to commission in May. Is that So

I think it's close. Yeah.

April, May.

Yeah. Usually,

there's a multi meeting process through council, and that usually starts in Mid Bay. Mhmm. We don't have the calendar yet for this coming cycle. So but that's generally when it is. And remember, you guys meet once a month. So sometimes it's a bit strategic on when we fold that in.

K. So I think that's our last goal.

K.

We don't need to vote anything. Right? Correct. Our actions. So we can go straight into item three, which is 25 dash sixteen fourteen. Parks and Rec Commission will consider a recommendation to council to adopt definitions for the aquatic facility use categories, adopt priorities of the aquatic facility use, and approve amendment to the fiscal year twenty five, twenty six municipal fee schedule sub sequential adjustments through fiscal year twenty eight, twenty nine.

Can you repeat that? I'm just kidding. And this is just we talked about

this in length last meeting, and there were small adjustments that were recommended.

Correct. And thank you for that bridge because, one of my thoughts for you this evening, by the way, Carolyn McDowell, senior management analyst with the Parks and Recreation Department, serving as capital projects manager. So one option is to go through the full presentation. I am prepared to do that with the full slide deck. But given that there were only some slight refinements that you requested, I was gonna lean towards just going through those sections of the report. A slip little vote of fingers. Okay. Thank you. So I'll go with the latter and the brief version. So, really, what the commission had asked us to reconsider was more it would be slide four.

Definitions?

Yes. Okay.

So what the commission asked us to consider is excuse me. Slide three or so. Was us to consider looking at more detailed descriptions for the categories. Can you go one more slide down, please? Thank you.

And we found a typo. You guys noted the typo, which was corrected in the reservation dates and then to further explore the use categories and how we apply those categories. So for the purposes of tonight's discussion, we came up with multiple categories, one of which and really what we anticipate are three in house or current users to fit into is our resident youth nonprofit organization. So currently, all three of those groups, the dive artistic and swim club are five zero one c three with IRS state and federal government. At this point, we don't have access to their membership rosters to confirm the percentage of residents, but really what we're looking at is membership that's open to the public and available to anybody an organization that is based in Santa Clara and reflecting at least 51% of Santa Clara residents.

We also have a similar I just noticed a typo there. Similar, definition on the second one. Sorry. It should say resident adult nonprofit organization, so sorry about that. Same criteria with everything else, reflecting at least 51% of Santa Clara residents.

Our third defined category, this one was really one that you guys asked us to flesh out a little bit further, but other government agency, and we define that as our own school district, military, county, state, or federal government entity or organization. Then we went down to Santa Clara resident, which that is truly a resident as we define it, whether you're using our picnic facilities, whether you're registering for a ballet class, or whether you are wanting to reserve one of our aquatics facilities. So defined by the residency on your driver's license, utility bill, or the like, but also if you own property in Santa Clara. So for those of you that don't know, as long as you own property in Santa Clara, you don't necessarily need to reside in Santa Clara. You are eligible for the resident rate and all those descriptors that I provided previously.

Santa Clara is unique compared to other parks and recreation departments, other municipalities, where we also define residency as attendee of a Santa Clara Unified School District School. So the example I gave last time was Peterson Middle School is in Sunnyvale. However, it is part of Santa Clara Unified. So the Peterson students, of where they sleep at night, are considered Santa Clara residents for registering for our programs and for our services and then for aquatics use facilities, but also private schools in Santa Clara, which that part is incredibly unique. So folks that attend, you know, any of our private schools, Saint Clair, Saint Justin's, etcetera, are are Santa Clara residents per our definition.

A nonresident's really anybody that doesn't fit that criteria. Right? So you you live in Sunnyvale. You don't attend our schools. Right? You're a nonresident. And then commercial entity, any company or business that is interested in hosting a recreation or a control activity. So with those definitions, we also further explored the concern that you shared about like groups. So two groups with the way our periods work for booking, let's just say you submitted according to the deadline date, and let's just say you both want the use of pool x on Tuesdays from four to six. Right?

So how we would move forward or how we'd recommend moving forward is for those groups in categories two through four. So, again, it would be the resident youth, resident adult, or government agency. We would go by which organization is serving 51% or more of Santa Clara residents. Next, if they matched ironically in those figures, we would go to the total number of Santa Clara residents served. Again, if I we ironically had a match there, we would go to historical use of Santa Clara facilities with use and fees in good standing.

What we're recommending for categories five through seven, and a reminder that's resident, nonresident, and commercial, is to be on a first come, first served basis.

Can I ask a question?

Yes, sir.

So if I take an example of an organization, let's say, it has 10 members, eight of which are resident. So they have 80% resident participation versus, say, know, thousand residents and only, say, 510 resident participants. Now the 80% would be more than the other one, fifty per 51%. So by this, it would go to the eight people or 10 people. No?

Yeah. Because that's the qualifier. So do you are you 51% or more? Yes? Both are 51% or more.

But this is the tiebreaker, so it's going one, two, three.

But one is One is binary. Yes. No.

Binary. Yes. No. It's Two is total number.

So but then one is then already covered by

By the category. Correct.

Right. One is not really required then because of confusing.

Would it help if we put and after that?

Well, his point Probably just take it out. Right?

It should be. Yes. Out completely.

Right. Because it's already covered in the your article.

You don't qualify for that if you're not in that.

Just by definition wouldn't be in category one or two.

Yeah. Okay. Because you don't meet 51%. Correct.

So it's also not wrong to have there because they

It's more like a reminder. Right.

So

so the other thing we could do, I wouldn't delete it. I wouldn't put it as a one.

Just put

it would just say I would just say organizations serving 51% if competing requests occur. Yeah. So I would just put it more in the description than it is a, numbered, tiebreaker. Sure.

Does that work for everybody?

Sure. Sure. That feels superfluous, but whatever. Correct.

It's like it's just restating it.

So I would add a numb if you're not gonna list it as number one, you're gonna put it in the narrative text above and then only have two criteria. Mhmm. I would add a third, basically, including the first come, first serve as number three for even categories two through four. Right? Because if they both have ties in in criterion one and two But they both won't tie with historical use. They might. What if what if there were organizations that either had no history or had the same history?

Yeah. Yeah.

Right? Great. And so No history is There could be criteria categories where they're like, well, that neither of those things break the tie. First come, first serve.

Oh, like zero history.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. Because that is a possibility. Okay. Good point. We're thinking of all the use cases. We we got you. Yeah.

Just trying to make it easier for you all down the line to apply consistently without having to be like

It's a good comment.

And then you don't have to put five through seven. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Because it's also stated in there. Correct. Yeah. Okay.

Let's see. Can we go back to the to the groups? I just don't remember which ones are two through four.

Two through four is the, can you go back one more, Priscilla?

So I'm only seeing six categories.

Correct. Because one is city.

City. Oh, great. Perfect. Yeah.

Yeah. We didn't think We that didn't necessarily need to get redefined. Correct. Yeah.

Okay. But that would cover all city organizations like police, fire?

Correct. So for instance, we have the law enforcement torch run. Yep. Right? And we have the Special Olympics, right, that use our programs and that sort of thing. So right now, they use Santa Clara University because already disclosed and you know what I mean? That facility can accommodate it, that sort of thing. But, yes, that fit into that because they are part of our programming. Priscilla, you can drop down two slides to slide six, please.

That'll be three slides. Okay.

So this goes back to how the

This get to you.

Yeah. So the other one was definitions and how we would describe the semantics that we use within the group priority. So, commissioner DeMarco, this goes back to city programs being first. Number two being those resident youth nonprofit. The third priority for use would be resident adult nonprofit. The fourth would be the other government agencies. Fifth being Santa Clara resident, but, again, non five zero one c three. Kinda everybody else, non five zero one c three except for your commercial entities for the descriptor for priority groups number seven.

Can I a nitpick comment here? No. I I get confused with using the word non five zero one c three there because the non five zero one c three, wouldn't that just be a commercial entity?

Or a private a person. It could be a private person.

So what you really mean is so five and six are Santa Clara resident or nonresident private use. Right? Correct. Like, there's no

It could be

Like, give me an example.

It could be like a school club or a neighborhood club that get together. We have Association. Yeah. We have a neighborhood club that would get together that's not a nonprofit. It's just a club. We haven't gone through the process of getting five zero one c three. But we're not quite private because it I guess it could be considered private, but it is a group of people. So I think that's gets to the

You wanna just say nonresident and resident?

Yep.

That's fine. Didn't

we talk last time about adding the non five zero one c three? We did. That was the an ask

We were saying that, but that was still confusing me, and it still confuses me because to me, a non five zero one

I think we can add that. I think we can keep it in the category definition. You can, like the even after city, you could say non five zero one c c three. And then and six, after not group two through five, you could say non five zero one C three. But it could be nonresident private use. Resident private use.

Right.

And then you can move the non

We just move it from the category from yeah.

Right.

To the

deaf, and then it's simple. And then we're kinda covering too is, like, we're not overcomplicating the name of it. Yeah. Then if ever there's a question, you can read the definition.

You can read it. Yeah.

Does that work? Does that work for okay. Okay. Yeah.

I think it I think it's great. I think it's great.

The way it is?

Well, just in general, the effort that's been put into to make it to

Oh, yeah.

Tighten it up is I mean

Thank you.

I don't feel like there's any ambiguity for it.

So That's where we were going.

Not because we're out

the park. Right. Right. Right. Okay.

Yeah. I think it being too specific is not a problem. I think okay.

So you can drop down this slide because we, had talked about just going through the step that, the group had requested. So the rate schedule hasn't changed but has changed because the way we've redefined things, there's now seven categories instead of six. Right? This is via by adding that other government agency. Yep.

So it really just drops everything down where three and four, which, again, that's the adult resident, and then four would be your other government agency. It puts them at the same rates, and everything else remains the same as it relates to rates and escalators and all of that. But, obviously, there's one more line to reflect on the seventh category.

Yeah. I would have liked to see. I I don't know. Maybe I didn't pay attention last time enough. For commercial entities, I would like there to be some jump relative to Nonreserve. Six.

It's about cost recovery. It's not about charging for a service.

There's really not that many really not that much water available. Yeah. And and and and it's it's it commensurate with how we do our field rates, nonresident, and commercial. Is that same? Oh, okay. Yeah.

Okay. So I was thinking about that pyramid.

No. Yeah. It's it's there'll be anybody who's doing anything commercially will be lucky to get any water. Yeah. And then if we see there's a market for it and there's room for it

Yeah.

We can revisit Yeah. What you're saying. But, realistically Yeah. There's not much left below probably three.

Three. Yeah.

Yeah. So four through seven is like

We're just toting the eyes crossed. Good luck.

Right. You maybe it's Warburton, maybe Gomez. Yeah.

And Wednesday at 11AM.

Yeah. Right. Sunday Sunday when the sun rises. Like Yeah. It's gonna be very little to know.

Yeah. By the way, do we do we restrict what hours these are We do. So

So our parks, just as a reminder, are sunrise to a half hour after sunset with the exception of our lit fields, which are open until 10PM. Right? The pools, we have generally had a couple similar similar situation where we have general guidelines. Right? But keep in mind that our pools are all located in neighbors in neighborhoods. Right? So they all have somebody in the backyard. So we generally kind of work with daylight savings. I'm sorry. I was trying to think of the word that what do we just have?

But we generally try and work with that. So it's generally around six is when things are available. Most recently, some of our clubs have asked to get in a little bit sooner. And, essentially, we have allowed, like, locker room rooms, the ability to come in and change and that sort of stuff, but not the ability to get in the water and to have people in the pool until six. And we've asked that the coaches and the clubs be cognizant of particularly at Gomez, being in somebody's backyard and to mitigate the use of amplified sound or whistles or that sort of stuff, you know, until it's a little bit little bit more of a time that, you know, you're seeing people stretch it a little bit.

Right? Our pools are not lit, most of them, not Montague. So, you know, we often have programming until 09:00 at night when ISC was open, 09:30 in some cases, whatever. But we try and mimic the lit by being not just out of the water, but out of the facility. So keep in mind, there's somebody you know, there's still people changing to the locker rooms, getting out to their car, doing all that sort of stuff. You know, we have people that live on Patricia Drive. Right? So that has been the past practice

Mhmm.

And and what we're currently doing.

Yeah. So

Thanks for reminding.

Okay. So, Priscilla, if you don't mind jumping one more slide, the recommendation that staff has made to you as a commission is to adopt the definitions. We have had some discussion tonight that we've noted to adopt the priorities for facility use. Again, we've had a little bit of discussion on that. And then to approve the amended fee schedule for the current fee schedule, which we're currently in fiscal year twenty five twenty six. And as you saw through the rate schedule, we have sequential adjustments through fiscal year twenty eight twenty nine. With that being said, I'll leave it back to you, chair Chew, to lead the discussion.

Okay. Is there additional discussion, or are we ready to make a motion? I am ready.

Yeah. Make do I need to read out what the motion needs to say?

Well, I think the motion is to rec recommend Yeah. These three items to the council.

I make that motion.

With the amendments that we spoke

with Yes.

Yeah. Of course.

The typo that you caught. Correct.

Yeah. Correct. Second.

Good. So vice chair Gupta and seconded by commissioner DeMarco. We'll go ahead and vote. Commissioner Caldwell?

Yes.

Chair Chu? Yes. Commissioner DeMarco? Aye. Commissioner Forte?

Yes.

Vice chair Gupta?

Yes.

And commissioner Souza?

Yes.

Passes unanimously. Great. Okay. That's what I Okay.

Sorry. A little side note there. Thank you for giving us a chance. Thank you for your comments last month. I think it's guided us to a more polished product to take to counsel. And so we appreciate your feedback, and definitely a second lens tonight as well. We'll fine tune it a little bit more. We're earmarking right now the December 9 council meeting in case anybody has an interest in watching. And right now, that's the point. So

And like Commissioner Demarco said, and I've said it before, and for also for the previous, you know, the process and engagement that you guys had and also with this fantastic.

Thank you. Appreciate that.

Way to do it. Just the way to do it. Takes time, effort, but you did a great job. Thank you.

Thank you. It's definitely a group effort. So I don't want you to think it's just the folks at this table. There's a lot of voices and eyes that touch all of these things. So we'll go ahead and pass that along to the staff that have been involved. So thank you so much.

I'll leave it to you. Great. Well, that is the end of our agenda. We now do the staff reports. So Steph,

wanna go

ahead and update?

Okay. We have quite a few things. I can't remember if I mentioned at our last meeting or not that we have four new grounds maintenance worker ones that joined our team. So we have a total of 12 that have joined us since July 21. So that's exciting, and they have all, at this point, completed their training.

They're all assigned to different parks and locations. Their training obviously will continue as they face and experience new things, but the the point of getting them in their own vehicle and to their own sites, whatever that looks like, has been accomplished, and that's an exciting time for us. We're not completely staffed, but it is definitely one step closer to where we all want to be. So that's one thing for you.

Do you have a rough estimate of what the percentage completeness you're at with those numbers?

Well, we're

I would say it's 90% for all one twos. K. We're short a couple of threes, but then we're promote we'll those will be promotionals, then we'll have another

And realistically, is there a a hope to get to a 100%, or does 90% feel like a decent steady stake either with I think know, with funding lines. Yeah.

We we had a retirement this month. We're we've had announced future retirements. So I would say we'll probably be in a constant 90 plus percent over the next one to two years That's great. While we have some natural retirements. We have some promotional opportunities, and we also are still going through our organizational assessment

Yeah.

With potential reorg. But I would say, I think ninety's pretty good. We're talking less than three or four or five five total positions out of out of all the, boots on the ground.

Okay. Is there still a,

an active list? There is.

Okay. And it's getting through April. We haven't decided at this point as there's future vacancies how, you know, how we'll proceed. But at this point, there is.

Great. Thanks for the update. Yeah.

For those of you that might have some time tomorrow at 03:00, we have our annual Veterans Day ceremony at the Veterans Memorial in Central Park. Again, 03:00. It's a very short ceremony, but if you haven't been to it, it definitely makes you feel connected to something something bigger. So it's very well done. And one of the key players in bringing that program together is our former director, Larry Wolf.

So he has deep roots with this department, so it's always a very meaningful event if you have an opportunity to attend. December is busy, busy, busy for Parks and Recreation. Not only do we have the tree lighting, which I'm pleased to let you know that Wanda Buck accepted the nomination that you guys made at the last meeting. The tree lighting ceremony does start at 05:30, which is the general kinda gathering of people with the program starting more at the time frame. Kim is off today, but she has asked that you as commissioners be there by six.

If you're planning to attend, she'll be sending out additional noticing that normal known before you go kind of message that we put out. But I'm letting you know now kind of that's that's what we anticipate happening for that evening, and the reminder, that's that first Friday of the month. We have other holiday programs, the pajama party, Polar Express, etcetera. If you're engaged with our notices, our subscription notices, those are going out. Or if you read our activity guide, it's all in there.

This coming weekend is the last showing of Willy Wonka as well, so that's one other thing. Speaking of our activity guide, we do have multiple, you know, guides that go out a year. The next one releases online on the seventeenth, so you will be getting that in the coming days in your mailbox. Those are distributed to all Santa Clara residents and businesses, and then they're available at our public facilities after the mail drop. So you'll be starting to see them at the library, the community center, etcetera.

Those are a lot of the programmatic things that are happening. We already mentioned the parks master plan, which will be coming to you hopefully hopefully in January with a February council date. But on the parks side of the house, we have some exciting news to about three of our major projects that are coming to you in 2026. So those of you that know Henry Schmidt Park, Lost Projects in Saratoga, you saw, unfortunately, a bit ago, but, you know, we've been in busy times the last couple years with COVID, but you guys have seen the schematic and the construction drawings as part of this process. We actually went out to bid for a contractor on that, and we had anticipated that it would be in about the $7,100,000 cost.

It's come in at 5.8.

I know.

I know. Yes. Win win for us. So you're gonna go the other direction.

Yeah. Or how do what you're gonna say then, I believe.

Exactly. Exactly. So there is a trend. I'm gonna maybe I should let you drum roll for the next one. That goes to council on the eighteenth of this month. So if you wanna watch that council meeting, Henry Schmidt Park will move forward, and we do to of November? Correct. Okay. And we do have plans for early twenty twenty six.

It is set for it won't be that eventful. It shouldn't be Yeah. Set for Consent. Consent. Yes. So if it's getting pulled

Yeah. If it gets pulled, ugh.

But Not good.

Hopefully, it's Great. Hopefully, it's a good thing. You guys have also been probably informed about the Central Park parking and access project that's going to affect the picnic area at the Arbor And Central Park just because of the pathways. The pavilion parking lot will be the first part of that project, and the pathways between it and the community center and new entrance to the community center lot and new reconfiguration of that parking lot. That project, the engineer's estimate was 6,700,000.0.

And drum roll, it came in at 5.6. Nice. So it too came in lower, which we're excited about, and that one is targeted to go to council at the December 9 meeting as well. I still haven't seen the final report on that one, so that one could get bumped a meeting or so. But we're we're doing really well in the bids coming in under what the engineer's estimate is.

And from the International Swim Center standpoint, we got a 100% construction drawings last Thursday. We have submitted those to PG and E. We have submitted those to the county. They're going through our internal permitting process here in the city, and we've also sent that to the contractor that was designated through the urgency process through the council. Their bid is due later this month right before Thanksgiving.

And right now, that report to council is also going on December 9. So that one will be a public presentation that Damon and I will be putting together on that report to council is already routing. And I'm having my fingers crossed that the engineer's estimate, which I can't recall off the top of my head. I don't have it written down, but I'm hoping that it similarly comes in under what we had hoped or what the estimate was for that project. So December 9, if you haven't noticed, is a big council agenda for parks and recreation department.

And so if you wanna watch any, that's one that you might find of interest. Is it ever helpful to have us in chambers? So anytime that you wanna be present and speak to an item and, you know, in support of is never a bad thing for us. Some of these items will be consent on the Schmidt project. Our fee schedule and use priorities will be consent, but there will be on public presentation, the international sub center.

So that one's, you know, a little bit more natural to speak on. I mean, unless you wanted to pull an item for some reason. But, generally, when you're in support of something, you don't

pull it Yeah.

Yeah. From.

Is there a way to view the drawings?

So we just got them, and we're still commenting on them. So this process has been very different than most because we've been running a lot of them in parallel. So I've given you a few examples in the past, but I'll give you the most recent one. So normally, we wouldn't cons we wouldn't do our own permitting process until all of the plans were signed off. But we're doing our own permits because we've had these workshops with staff on three occasions leading up.

We submitted the request for permits on Friday while our staff are also doing the final review. Another example of that is we are doing the the county health permit, which is not really a health permit, but it's a the ability to rebuild the pool. We submitted our 75% drawings as a placeholder for the county knowing that they were about three or four weeks out. We knew that our 100% drawings were coming in about two and a half weeks. So literally on Friday, we said we'd like to take back what we submitted, and we'd like to replace it with this.

And we're in the queue. Do you see what I'm saying? We're so we're doing everything we can to do that. So I don't have current renderings because the most recent set, they've just provided to us, and they have until later this month to provide us with the run dates. If I were to show you them right now, they'd have significant changes to them that just I'd be saying it's this, but not this, this, but not this. This so we're gonna get them right before the meeting to reflect.

Yeah. The the report for the ninth meeting is routing without renderings Okay. Without final numbers. With just blanks. With just blanks. Just so city staff can because our process is Six weeks. Six weeks out for review, agreement review, plan review, everything. So we're flying this as we're building it

Okay.

Which is all to say we're trying to save weeks and months

Yeah.

Where possible. Yeah. That's smart. We don't like, the fur we'll have everything in there, hopefully, like, the week before council. So you'll see them when council sees them. Yeah. But they'll be posted. Yeah. So for whenever what you would do is check back the week before the ninth. And so as soon as that agenda is posted, the attachments will be posted with you. Okay. Yeah.

So, like, around December 2 or so?

Yeah. Whatever that Thursday or Friday. I think they're trying to make Thursday.

They're gonna try and make the Thursday posting for that one, but they have to have it posted by the by the by the Friday.

Yeah. Yeah. Fifth is you're right. Fifth is tree lighting. This is Friday. Yeah. So Okay.

So Yeah. Again, if we were to have something sooner like the parks master plan, I we can provide it, but I'm telling you right now, this is coming in hot.

Yeah. Noah's Ark is showing up with no animals. Here's the thing. The other the other thing that we had talked about knowing anticipating that question from commissioner Vikas is that phase two will be a more traditional approach where we'll do a public process. Commission will be invited to the public process. There'll be commissioner input. There'll be schematic drawings. Those schematics are gonna get put into engineering drawings. The schematic, the scheme, or the concept will get approved by Park and Rec as well as Right. Council.

So that will be a traditional process, not, like, this is not

It's better.

Perfect. It's better.

Although I imagine having enjoyed the fruits of this process, you would still expedite and do things that Well, yeah. The that would smoothen the flow of that one.

Yeah. So, you know, I mean, anecdotally, we can tell you that the most exciting thing going is, like, the dive tower and then the outdoor showers. Mhmm. But other than that, it's nothing it's three bodies of water. Yeah. Got it. So and a

bunch of, like You know how I get it later

No. I know. And a bunch and a bunch of color animation Yeah. Which may or may not look like that when it's created. So I'm just just I know it's exciting,

but it's It means a lot, actually.

Yeah. Yeah. It it'll be more real, and we get that. But it's you know, close your eyes and envision the International Swim Center, and that's what it's gonna look like.

Okay. It's just newer. It's just newer. Newer. Sounds good. More energy efficient. Yeah. More reliable. All in all in the nines.

Thanks.

Do you have any other updates? Otherwise, I have one.

No. I have no updates. We got a lot from Kim and got a lot from Yep. Parks and Rec both, and I think we have one more.

We do. So I've known some of you for many years. I've known, others of you for a shorter period of time, and I've definitely had the pleasure of working, for this city for twenty plus years. But I have accepted another job, And I will be the new assistant director of Parks and Recreation for the city of Cupertino. Oh, awesome.

So so I am seeing the ISE project through through mid December because I made that commitment to this organization a year ago, and I I want to maintain that. But I'll be be departing as of mid December. Okay. So I wanna thank you for I mean, I've worked Ed's known me since I was a kid, but worked with you on chief's advisory and now here and in different settings with the pool. And, you know, it's been a pleasure getting to know you and work alongside you. As a longtime resident, I'm not moving, so you're you're stuck with me. I might be commenting as a public not as a public moving forward, but you'll still see me around town. I'm just gonna change where my desk is.

Congratulations. We will. And now we

have a new contact in Cupertino.

Yeah. There you go. There you go. There you go. So

Well well deserved. Thank you.

Thank you. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. With that being said, those are our updates for this evening, and I'll turn it back over to you.

Okay. Thank you. The final agenda item is the commissioner reports. We'll go around the table and update any activities you've been involved with that hasn't already been discussed. Mr. Caldwell?

It seems like we're just here, so I can't I don't have much. But I I have noticed more staff in the park and doing more things, trimming trees, you know, the low hanging branches and stuff like that. I'm actually running edgers around the pathways and stuff, around the the the cement, the picnic tables. So it's noticeable that there's more staffing in what they're doing, so much appreciated.

Good. Thank you. We're getting back to basics. Yeah. That's all I have.

But, yeah, that was it's very noticeable.

Commissioner DeMarco.

Nothing super new or exciting. I have a question. I'm not familiar with where the boundaries of Central Park are, and I know the Google Maps. It lists the tennis courts adjacent to the yard as being a sports company. And I don't know if they are leasing the space from the city or if it is a different boundary altogether. Yeah. But there are some lights out, and I had submitted them. I I took it on my Santa Clara app, and I just needed to clarify if that was useful or not useful.

It is, and it should at least either we'll we'll still maintain them or work with them to get it done.

Correct. Yep.

And it is a a contract, lease agreement.

Nice. Great. But part of Central Park. Yeah. Great.

Commissioner Souza.

Nothing to add. Congratulations, Caroline. I appreciate it.

Thank you.

I certainly appreciate you, though.

Thank you. I appreciate though.

Commissioner Gupta.

I haven't visited any other park other than Maywood. I don't know if I had mentioned this before, but some several neighbors were complaining about the. And I said, you know, it's not really the city is doing.

It's the

school district. But if you want and, like, some of them know that I'm the commission I'm the commissioner. And so I said if but if you wanted to come and express your viewpoint, then you're welcome to come to the Parks and Rec Commission meeting and make a public presentation about it. Nobody shows up. But it does. But other than that, no. Nothing much to report.

Commissioner Forte.

Nothing major. Just got in a quick workout at Henry Schmidt Henry Schmidt Park.

K. So that's up to me. We're gonna make sure. Thank you very much for your helping in front. And thank you for reminding me about Veterans Day tomorrow because there's so many events that happen in the parks that's sponsored by Parks and Rec, but other organizations that we're just we're so lucky in Santa Clara to have them all. So we have our little list on our goal, but there's way more. And I saw the email about breakfast with Santa that I used to take my kids to, and we have so many great traditions in Santa Clara. So I think Parks and Rec's doing great, keeping up traditions. Thank you. So that's all I have.

Actually, I had emailed my cell phone, and I just remembered that. A couple months ago, we got a report, a public comment, from someone doing a creek cleanup Mhmm. That

the Tennis bolts.

Yeah. Yep. Didn't have sufficiently high fencing. And I'm not sure if the great savings that we're accumulating from our engineers that is coming in under If we could build a fence. If we're gonna if we're gonna consider making a change to that fence height.

Yeah. I just got that email forwarded again or brought back up by one of our council members over the weekend. So it's on my list to it's on my very long and distinguished list of things.

Could we improve tennis skills in Santa Clara to prevent

the ball slowing over

the fender?

Well, it's

Is there other solutions?

There's a wall ball a a wall right there for hitting against individually. So either increase the fence height or move get rid of the wall.

So

I see. Yeah. Because the people are directing their tennis balls in

that Yeah. Right there. They're very popular. Missing one foot left

one foot left. It's it's It's not it's not even height. It's It's, again

by the Park Service

Center? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. So we we could do a couple of things. But yeah.

But, yes, I had sent it to my son months ago. Was just starting to lose it.

That's really When I saw that, I was comment. I just saw it this weekend, and I was like, oh my gosh. That's right. Gotta

You gotta do that.

We gotta

And coordinate with Valley Water because that property line there's pretty Tiny? Tricky. Oh.

Is there any estimate of replacing, Dale's position?

Yeah. I'm working with HR. I mean, part of that is, part of that's been a little bit in the standstill for our org assessment. However, I think we're gonna start moving forward on a few things given recent announcements and shortages in our department trying to trying to get out in front front of, you know, 2026.

Yep. Makes sense. So

k. So our final item is the meeting adjournment. Thank you everyone for coming to tonight's meeting. Our next park and rec commission meeting will be Monday, January 12, here at in the Conference Room. Do we have a motion to adjourn this meeting?

Make a motion to adjourn the meeting until January 12. Second.

No. That's no December meeting. No. Right.

But come to the tree lighting. December 5.

Come to the tree lighting.

An optional Veterans Day. Many things. So let's vote on the motion to adjourn. Commissioner Caldwell?

Yes.

Chair Hsu? Yes. Commissioner DeMarco? Aye. Commissioner Forte? Yes. Vice chair Gupta?

Yes.

And commissioner Souza?