Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

All right. Thank you all and welcome, officially welcome to everyone here and the Zoomers. Welcome to the Zoomers. I would like to call the Regular Planning Commission of Patterson meeting of 09/25/2025 to order. And I'd like to ask you to stand for a pledge. And maybe Commissioner Apple can get in. Yours. Okay. Please. Lynn, can you lead us?

No. I pledge allegiance to the flag of The United States Of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, and liberty, justice for all.

Thank you.

Right. Screwed up.

You did fine. You did good. You did good. Welcome, everybody. Let's call the roll and see who's here tonight.

Commissioner Aplin? Here. Commissioner Alexander? Here. Commissioner Sadhu?

Here.

Vice Chairman Bendix? Here. Chairman West?

Here.

Items from the public. At this time, we will entertain any items from the public on anything somehow related to what we do here that is not on the agenda. So if it's on the agenda, wait. Otherwise, this is your time.

Good evening, commissioners, staff, and community members. Milt Treweiler. I'm a lifetime Stanislaus County resident. The city of Paterson has more potential for growth than any other city in Stanislaus County. Your city and the area to the West and Northwest here is poor farmland and is a perfect place for developments and industry. We must save the best farmland on earth that we have North Of Turlock, all around Ceres, Houston, and Modesto. But here in Paterson is the place for growth. Paterson must have good planning for its One major concern is a lack of housing

You got it.

For your working employees.

I'm a try to chat him.

You must have you have great employers like the Amazon Fulfillment Center, CVS Center, the Grainger Distribution Center, Platt Electric and Restoration Hardware, and many more industry in the planning stages. What you need in Patterson is multi story apartment complexes for your workers and for the people who are reaching retirement age. It's one of the needs of every city. They would fit perfectly here in the city. Yeah.

Two good examples of what they would look like is your best Western Inn and your Hampton Inn. That's what multistory apartment units would look like. They could be located in several sections of the city. Growing up and on infill land is the perfect option because your city services are already in place. So your infill areas would be the ideal location for these multistory apartment complexes for your employees and for your senior citizen City senior citizens are people who are getting older like me.

So that is what you need to point your growth to in your future plans here. Get multistory apartments here. It's a flat city. I mean, any other city this size. And if you go back east, if you travel around the country, you'll see that cities this size already have four story apartments all over their places, all over. But it's not a common thing right here. I'm talking about states like in the Midwest. But it's perfectly functional here. Of course, we do have them here in Stanislaus County. You don't have a senior center area that I know of for specifically for seniors. That's something you also need. Thank you very much.

Thank you, Milt. I appreciate your comments, as always. Mr. Trevalier is a very active citizen, as he mentioned, and a citizen of Turlock, I believe, and should have been on the City Council. I would have voted for you, Milt, when you're in. Anyway, appreciate his comment. He's an active community member that goes around all kinds of cities. I imagine the message he's giving to other cities out in the middle of the valley that want to use their good land for what we're doing is probably not getting the same message he just left us. But we're glad to be on this end of MILT. I can tell you that. I see. I know. I know, MILT. Thank you, sir. Who else?

Who else from the public? Anybody on anything that's not on the agenda? And housing should always be on our agenda, Milt. And I appreciate what you're saying. We need to get we need to use our air. We need to use our air. Thank you, sir, for the comment. Okay, conflict conflicts, we have two items on the agenda tonight of two public hearings, three of them, three public hearings. Any conflicts?

Thought there

were any. Lynn, conflict?

No. None.

Okay, no conflicts. I don't have any. So we have no Okay. No correspondence. We have minutes of August 28. I presume the Commissioners all received those.

Move approval of minutes. Second.

Okay. Does anybody have anything before that? Okay. If not, is there a second?

It was. Oh. Did

we get a second? Okay.

He did. No. He wasn't didn't hear you second it. Do I have to third it? Unless he left.

Yes. You'd like I'd like a third. Okay. We got a motion and a second.

Okay. Commissioner Aplin? Aye. Commissioner Alexander? Aye. Commissioner Sadu? Aye. Vice Chairman Bendix? Aye. Chairman West?

Aye. Okay. Our first public hearing is a lot line adjustment. And it is our health care district. It look interesting to see what they're up to. They're in the news lately. Okay. Let's go ahead and get a staff report on this.

Thank you, Chairman. Our city planner, Joel Andrews, is here present this evening to present the staff report.

Thank you. Good evening, Chair and members of the Commission. This is a lot line adjustment for the Del Porto Health District. Open up the presentation. These are two lots both owned by the health health district, bounded by excuse me, Ward Avenue, 9th Street, Las Palmas, and Sperry Avenue.

One of them is an irregularly shaped lot, and we'll talk about what's going on here because there may have been some confusion with the map. But the overall site is irregularly shaped. It's, about 17 and a half acres. And currently, this is the arrangement. The the mustard colored lot is almost a quarter acre on E Street, and then the blue lot is about 17.39 acres.

And the proposed layout would create a almost two and a half acre lot on E Street and leaving the remainder about 15 acres for the remainder of the blue lot. The new arrangement would be consistent with the zoning criteria. This is the general commercial zone. And so staff's recommendation is that the commission open a public hearing, consider the issues, and then motion to recommend or motion to approve resolution number twenty twenty five dash o two, which would approve the lot line adjustment. That concludes my report. I'd be happy to answer your questions.

Questions for Joel? Pretty straightforward thing, right? You've a parcel that's too small to use for what you need, so you need a bigger parcel. Sounds like, okay. Let's open the public hearing. Maybe we can hear from our applicant.

Thank you, Chair, members of the Commission. David Niskinen, JB Anderson, Lane East Planning, 139 South Ripon Road in Ripon. On behalf of the Del Porto Health Care District, I wanna thank staff for their, expediency in processing this lot line adjustment. It's to reconfigure the the lots on the Del Porto Health Care District site to accommodate for the future development of their mental health facility and rural health clinic, which represents a major expansion to what they currently provide for the city of Patterson and for West Stanislaus County. Over the last, several months, the district's been working with their architect HDR out of San Francisco, Northstar out of Modesto, and us out of Ripon to, develop an overall master plan for that site, the overall 37 acres that they own or or in process of owning.

And this lot line adjustment is kind of the first step in reconfiguring the lots out there for the first phase of that development. You've probably seen a little bit of that with presentations to counsel and to the district's board as well as a town hall meeting that occurred a couple months ago. But, our intention is to submit the full entitlement package for the master plan and for their first phase one, that would come before planning commission and council, later this year into into next year. But I'm happy to answer any questions, regarding this law line adjustment and just wanna thank staff for their responsiveness and expediency in processing the application and bringing it to you tonight. Thank you.

Okay. Questions for our applicant? Anybody? Straight ahead stuff, man. You need to adjust your lot lines.

That's correct. Thank you.

All right. Whoever would like to speak to this issue?

I do have some questions. I don't I mean, this sounds like it might be a good location for housing for seniors. I don't know if that's something that could be located in this particular area, but I didn't know what this was about. I didn't know how this fit in. I saw the land. I did go over and drive around it. And, yeah, if you could have a couple multi story units in there for senior housing, that would be fantastic. And, of course, your housing for your employees could be other places in the city, and you do have open places. They don't have to be that large. You know, we're Hampton Inn.

This is not that large of an area. And so I think it is an opportunity for the city. And if you don't have housing for your employees, you're gonna start having an issue because they're gonna say, well, where are we supposed to live? We've got all this industry here, but we need places to live that are affordable. People in the okay, I'm getting off track. We're working on working on this issue.

You're doing fine. Milt, for the record, give us your name again just for the record for the

Milt Treeweiler.

And Milt, as usual, you're you're ahead of the game because if you look at their site plan, you will see that there is indeed some housing and indeed some senior housing on that site.

Okay.

So as usual,

you You weren't are listed online. You had no additional agenda that I could look at.

Thank you for your comments.

You're welcome.

Good evening, chair and, commission members. My name is Paul Willette. I'm the ambulance director at Patterson District Ambulance, which is part of the Del Puerto Healthcare District. And, Milt, I think we're gonna make you a very happy man because as was just alluded to, there is a rather significant development plan in the works that's going to include, for sure, the things that you're talking about. This is gonna be an exciting project for Patterson to bring back, in essence, a medical campus right here in the the center of Patterson.

And part of that campus, you're right, you need place for the workers to live and all the professionals that are gonna be there. And it couldn't make us happier to be spearheading this project and pulling it together for what I think is gonna be a phenomenal project and a boon for this entire community for decades to come.

So I'll leave it there.

Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. Who else? It is exciting. Is one of the big things we need to do at Patterson. This is a big deal. Who else? All right. Well, all we're doing is adjusting a lot line.

While we're on this subject, this is probably a better time than any to just announce that on Monday, this coming Monday, September 29, 6PM in this very council chambers. We will actually, the health care district will be holding their board meeting here again with a primary purpose and agenda item to conduct a public workshop to, again, present their development plan to the community and to solicit public comments. Everybody, the Commission, members of the public are encouraged to attend. If you go to their website, currently, the Del Puerto Healthcare District website, you can actually see their land plan that's available to begin commenting upon. And so it's an exciting plan, and I think everybody would be very interested to see what they have come up with thus far.

A lot of thought, a lot of effort, a lot of coordination with city staff, not just within the community development department, but with the public works department, city engineer's office, and others, fire department. And so it's coming to life. There's still quite a process to go through. We're about midway through the the planning and development process currently. And so it's a great time to complete your comments and to share them with the district and with the city. And again, Monday, June, right here, will be an excellent opportunity for the public to do that. And I highly encourage everybody to attend.

Perfect. What can you add?

And just one little tagline beyond that, because if if people are thinking they have to wait through the board meeting to get to the exciting part, we we did it the other way around. So the workshop that was gonna talk more about this project, as Brian alluded to, is on the front end, and then the actual board meeting is on the back end.

So if you're interested in

the project, please come see us Monday night.

06:00, right?

06:00, sir.

Okay. Public Zoomers, everybody, here's your chance. We're going get a hospital. Here's your chance to talk about it.

If there's anybody on Zoom that wishes to speak, you can press the raise hand function. We have nobody at this.

I'd like to clarify on that last comment, Chairman. Not a hospital per se, it's a medical campus. And so we want to be very careful how we use that terminology. Have a lot of various services, acute care, mental health, ambulance services, assisted living, senior housing. And actually, there'll be some retail and other housing components within areas that are off-site. So with that, I don't want to speak too much. It's not an agendized item. So we'll reserve more discussion for Monday.

Okay.

Chairman West, we do have one Zoomer that would like to speak.

Good. Go ahead.

Hello, guys. My name is Marco Almada. You may recognize me from a couple of the past meetings I've attended and spoken at. I just wanted to comment. This is beating a dead horse because I I'm hearing nothing but positive news, and and I 100% agree with it. I just wanted to speak from just a community member and a resident. I myself had the pleasure of of meeting with the CEO of Del Puerto Healthcare and learning a little bit more of what I think is gonna be shared on Monday. And it's a marvelous plan. It's a it's a lengthy plan. It's a very courageous plan, but it's a a plan that that with your guys' support, which I definitely feel is here, is is is gonna be on the right track and and coming to coming to life.

So just wanted to speak as as a resident and just a community member that why I 100% support anything we need to do to support Del Puerto Healthcare.

Marco, thank you so much. We love your energy. We love you getting involved, and you're a good example for people to go and find out what's going on. Thank you for your time, Henry Gomez. Who else?

All right. If not, we're going

to close the public hearing, and we are going to entertain the idea of letting these people adjust their lot line. Who wants to let them do that?

I will do that. Approval of the application for, lot line adjustment 25DashO1 with six findings in seven conditions.

Second. Second. All right. Let's call the roll.

Commissioner Apland. Aye. Commissioner Alexander. Aye. Commissioner Sadhu. Aye. Vice Chairman Bendix. Aye. Chairman West.

Aye. All right. Thanks. Thank you, sir. Here's a safe drive back. All right. We have another public hearing, a conditional use permit, two thousand five hundred seven Platinum Motorsports. Okay. Who's got this one?

So, again, city planner, Joel Andrews, will be presenting this report to the planning commission.

Thank you, and good evening again. So this application is for Platinum Motorsports for a car dealership at 254 Sperry Avenue. This lot is on Sperry South Side of Sperry Avenue, about 500 feet west of the intersection with Highway 33. On the site or maybe difficult to see the, there's two rectangles kind of attached. That's a 5,000 square foot building along the east side of the lot.

And there's about 27 there are 27 parking spaces on the west side of the lot. Currently, there are, 16 businesses located within this building. There's a number of suites within the building, and I I won't go through them all, but it's listed in the staff report. There's an auto parts store to the east. To the South is part of the a truss manufacturing facility.

To the West is a residence. And then across from the lot to the north, have South 3rd Street. On the West side of 3rd Street. There's a church, and on the other side, there's a a vacant lot that's used for used by the Chevrolet dealership down the street. So the applicant is currently using a site as a as a office space, and they're proposing to add on-site display vehicles for sale on the site.

And they're proposing that the five northernmost parking spaces be reserved for that use for display vehicles. And additionally, have seven display vehicle spaces on the gravel areas on the north side of the building and to the to the east of the building. Because there this is not would not be the primary use of the site, there's some interesting dynamics that need to be considered. So with all of those suites, the parking requirement is, 24 spaces. And so not all of those are allocated to the app can be allocated to the applicant.

They they get their share. And so, staff's recommendation is that only two of the paved parking spaces be reserved for vehicle display. And the seven spaces on the gravel would be okay. So that would limit the total display vehicles to nine. A potential concern with this site is related to confusion for potential customers of the other businesses within the building that if you're driving up and you wanna have your haircut or something like that and you see car lot with stickers

on

the vehicles and that sort of thing, customers may assume that this is a car lot, that they're in the wrong location and and move on. So there is that concern. The site second item we wanted to discuss is circulation on the site. We wanted to avoid any issues with vehicles being pulled out onto Sperry where that could be a traffic conflict. And so we've discussed with the applicant that process.

He's confident that that can be done almost completely without pulling onto Sperry Avenue that the owner or an employee would move the vehicle, and then the the customer could drive that off the lot from the parking area, the the paved parking area. And that has been included as a condition of approval. And then the last one that I'll address is signage. Signage for car dealerships can be pretty robust. Staffs reviewing the signed ordinance desk, is confident that, as long as we're, compliant with that, that, it won't cause too much trouble.

One of the issues again is confusion that if there's lots of signage then a hair salon or or one of the other businesses within that area, either feels like they have to compete with that. So they put up lots of signage or, they get looked over. And and so, we've included conditions that, for compliance with the signed ordinance that special events would be limited. And so special banners, those sort of sort of things would be limited. And so staff's recommendation is to open a public hearing, consider the issues, and then if the commission feels that the findings can be made, you can motion to approve the item.

And I'd be happy to answer your questions.

Questions for Joel?

Parking is obviously an issue here. And so where they wanted to have nine display positions, we're only giving them two on asphalt and the balance on gravel. Is that correct?

So, yeah. One of the things that the commission could consider is that you have offsetting parking uses potentially. If it was two or three users, we'd be more comfortable with using that as a potential approach for ratio that's allowed under municipal code toward shared parking and that sort of thing. Because there are so many users and that they come and go, so you aren't sure who you're gonna have at any given time that you could have a bunch of businesses that have their their peak business hours all at the same time that causes a parking issue. Staff's not totally comfortable with using that approach.

Questions?

Yeah. Parking is obviously a

no, I've got some questions. There are probably 10 cars parked right out there at this moment with signs on them for sale on that site probably right now. Is were they there and then they you asked them to come in for a CUP? Or or did we is this a grandfathered thing? Why are we dealing with this? But they're already there.

They apply they have an office use. They aren't permitted for more than that right now. And so More

than an office?

Mhmm. So they are allowed to have 10 if

you drive out there right now, there's

probably And I believe the state requires them to have

Cover that away.

Maximum of two display vehicles. So they're beyond the scope of what's permitted right now.

So none none are permitted now?

So under their the state requirement, they're permitted to display vehicles.

Okay. But we're dealing with a lot more of that right now. That's okay. I'm I'm concerned. Alright. I'm I'm a little concerned. I'm gonna

open the public hearing here in a minute. But

as I drive that area, that looks like just cars gone mad. Cars parked at every angle up against the street and everywhere you look, there's a car parked in the flower bed or I I looked I drove that several times and thought, we need to figure out what's going on here. But I will save some comments, but I'm I need to get a little clearer picture of what's happening here. Let me open the public hearing. Maybe we can hear from the applicants, get some information. Does someone hear from the applicants?

Good evening, commissioners. Jim Shaw, architect for the applicant, mister Guerrero. So, yeah, basically, the CUP was triggered because of the additional display vehicles on-site.

Okay. All right. Who's got questions for Jim here? Yeah, okay. And are you so what you're proposing is two of those paved spaces to have cars for sale?

We're proposing more than that. Yeah, I

think we're proposing

five, yes.

The city is city was saying they could only have two corrects.

Yeah. Instead of the five that you requested. Okay. Good. Thank you for that clarification, Jim. We got your name for the record. Okay. Any questions for Jim while we got him? Anything else to add?

Right now, the I don't think the number of cars parking spaces for the tenants has been an issue, but the building is totally rented out. So starting this next month, there could be a potential that some of those spaces might the the two max would be probably a trigger for the display vehicles in the registered parking spaces. Yes. But the applicant is trying to make his business survive, and so that's why he's trying to get as many vehicles as he can. But he has been understanding with the number that the city can allow him.

Okay.

To use. Appreciate that. The ones that we have now would be great to have.

Good. And then you gotta keep those handicapped spaces anyway.

Yeah. Another another option would be at this city staff is open to it, Joel and his team, if we could do some additional restriping and do small car. We have majority of this parking spaces are all standard stalls. So if we could get some additional parking to cover for both, we could do some restriping and do compact spaces as well.

All right. Thoughts? Questions, guys? Jim, thank you. Okay, who else would like to speak to this issue? How about on Zoom land?

Anybody on Zoom wish to speak, press the raised hand function.

What do you think?

Nobody at this time. Nobody

there? Okay. All right. Let's close the public hearing. We can come back if we need to. I'm I'm a little worried. We got 16 businesses out there that could change and need a lot more parking than they need or maybe Christmas time. They're all busy. I think there's I I was a little confused by all the cars out there, frankly. And here was my thought, and you guys tell me what you think.

It looks like we sort of naturally ended up with all the cars there in one big place. And that's sort of what happens. If you look at Modesto, they took them all out and they took all their cars and they put them all in one big organized place where you sell all the cars in one place. And that's probably good, but they planned it. Ours looks like it wasn't planned.

It's just sort of every parcel of land that had room for a car got it got parked. So I'm thinking we really need before we approve more cars out there, I would like to see something, an overlay, Joel, something that explains how much of this area allows that, and how much area could suddenly turn into more car lot in that whole neighborhood. Where are the driveways? How many driveways do we have serving? How many businesses?

I need a little more information before I could really want to pack a few more cars out there. We might be able to continue hearing until you look at it or maybe send it to counsel if we didn't agree with it. But I'm I'm I'm a little concerned, guys. What what are you guys' thoughts?

So so the issue was

You guys all

drove out there and looked. The issue is that they were 10 at this point. And that's the reason why we have the CUP request because they're exceeding what is possible in that location. So the CUP request is a result of them usurping 10 spots. Is that what we're basically saying?

So under the kind of the DMV, how they sort these, it's an office wholesale business. And so under that, they're allowed to display vehicles, mainly they're they're not for the most part, they're not selling those vehicles to in the common way that you'd think of buying a car. The and that does not require a conditional use permit under, our normal circumstances that if that's in our you said? Yes. If that's in our general commercial zone, it's considered an office and and can move forward.

What they have now is a it's they're selling cars on vehicles on-site, and so it's a different use than what was previously permitted.

That triggered. Okay. Okay. So

just what triggers the conditional use permit.

Is it fair to say that they're not following the license requirements that were given to them by the state?

I don't believe so. We'd have to sign off on Well,

we don't need to encourage

Conditional chaos.

Alright. What do you guys think? I'd love to support people's businesses, but I think before we put any more cars out there, we need to figure out what we're doing out that area. That that confused me. And then I we did this with the taco trucks, if you remember. People said, oh, I've got a spot. We can put it. We can put it. We can park one. We said, plan them. Plan them. Do it. Do it. Plan them and clump them, guys, when you do this stuff. Have it do it do it for a reason, not just help this company. I

don't know.

What do you guys think?

Well, I think Joel pretty much covered what I was thinking is that you got chaos going for the people who are already there. You've got I'm concerned about traffic issues going on. I mean, that that that section right in through there is it's it's a bad spot now as it is. Yeah. To to putting more pressure on that, I I don't think that's a good idea. I mean, great you know, selling cars is great, but, yeah, we need to have a spot to where cars are being sold.

Staff took took the liberty to try to put ourselves in the shoes of the existing business owners in that complex. Business owners had invested a lot of money to remodel office space, to create signage, to advertise their location before a used car lot was ever in the the discussion. Right. And so now those existing businesses, are they going to feel any negative repercussions because there's a used car lot right in front of their business? And so we wanted the the commission to be aware of that dynamic.

Sometimes business owners may not feel comfortable speaking out. And to be fair to them, I'm not aware of any of them literally speaking out, and it could be because they don't feel comfortable because they don't know if there are repercussions or or what have you.

Yeah.

So not not implying that there would be, but some sometimes people stick their neck out anytime they wanna raise concerns or do something that the landlord may may not appreciate. So we felt it was important just to bring their voice, that they didn't even bring up for whatever reason. Just as a discussion point, we wanted the commission to be aware of that potential issue of how would it affect those existing over a dozen existing businesses that are there. So we appreciate this discussion. It's it's it's it's necessary, and we respect your direction going forward.

Well, that's something where time will tell.

And we have a findings question here. Joel has indicated in his report that to deny, we need to make a particular finding and when and or to approve. Obviously, to approve or deny, we need to make findings. Let's take a look at those findings in both cases, commissioners. We need to be able to Joel, is that are you still representing that that's our situation here that if people if there's a concern that we might pass this on to counsel? So Can we make that finding the way you've written I wondered in your wording there.

So, yeah, this is based on the findings that are in the municipal code. So we've provided you with findings. First for approval, there's the two requirements, and then the findings for denial are based on conditional use permit language. It would be finding that the the proposed use would not be consistent with the surrounding land uses and has the potential to create vehicular conflicts in the area and therefore would be injurious to the health, safety, or general welfare of persons or property in the vicinity of the proposed use and the general welfare of the city. We you couldn't just refer it to the council.

You'd have to make one of those two decisions or or you could continue it for discussion. If it went to council, it would be because the applicant or, another interested party submitted an appeal.

So does counsel have the opportunity of voting on conditional use permit? I thought Yeah.

Well, they can do it. Sure. They can they can do like to can do I'd to a little

bit just to be absolutely crystal The staff's recommendation, often you're used to oftentimes or typically staff coming to the commission with a recommendation of approval. Yeah. We like to bring projects that that we've worked out as many of the bugs and issues as we can. And sometimes, occasionally, couple of times, one or twice a year once or twice a year, we're not entirely comfortable recommending approval. We're not all we're also not necessarily recommending wanting to recommend against. We're wanting to say, we're coming to you neutrally. Here's the pros. Here's the cons. Here's the issues. Please discuss them.

If there's consensus among the planning commission to support the project, here are the findings that's that the commission may utilize to support their determination. To the contrary, should the Planning Commission have concerns, we have provided findings for denial. Now, in the event the commission were to approve the develop the proposal, the project can proceed forward unless somebody were to appeal your approval.

Sure. Sure.

And then, alternatively, should the planning commission choose to vote the use permit down, the applicant, or as Joel mentioned, anybody, has the right to appeal the Planning Commission's denial to the city council. The council would not hear this on its own as an automatic second step. It would only because, b, because somebody appealed your decision.

Yes. Right.

Sure. So ultimately, conditional use permit stops right here

Yes.

Unless it's been

Unless somebody It was an issue.

Yeah. Exactly. So

this would normally be a final answer.

That's exactly right.

Joel, just to clarify, if we need to make a finding, and we need to make a finding, if that says the proposed use is not consistent with surrounding land uses, I'm interpreting that as the uses in the same building with it, not as something across the street also selling cars. Because somebody's selling cars in the area, so I can't say that's inconsistent. Somebody's across several people are selling cars in the area. So I'm interpreting that to say that's not consistent with what's happening in that building, that immediate land Yeah,

that would

be accurate. That's how I would interpret that if we're going make that finding. And then I consider that there would be some public health and safety issues that we've talked about in that case. Because we need to make a finding, guys. We can't just say we can't just do whatever we want. Okay. So with that in mind, everyone read carefully what we have before us. And is there anything else we need to Doctor. Obviously or enter into the record here?

Doctor. Circulation is always an issue. And this is going to be a major circulation issue depending what the other tenants are involved or how he's how they're presenting it. So we haven't asked tenants or we won't ask tenants if if there was an issue with that. At this point, the the use of the facility is is going to be a 100% starting next month.

So things will change as a result of this. And so I'm I'm inclined to either deny it because it doesn't seem to be consistent. Well, if in fact they're already using 10 slots and the the use from DMV says two, they've already exceeded their their ability. And I would finding for denial of this CUP.

That's what you would have to include in the motion. Make them one finding.

Right. Is that

a motion?

That's a motion.

Have a motion And We for

we have a second. We got a second.

Let's call the roll.

Commissioner Apland. Aye. Commissioner Alexander. Aye. Commissioner Sadhu.

Aye.

Vice Chairman Bendix? Aye. Chairman West?

Aye. And I always hate to to not not approve somebody's dream, you know, because everybody's entitled to do what they can. Staff, can I can I ask you guys to, when you can, let's look at that area because it looks like we have an auto center that we didn't plan? And and if we can get something that shows all the zoning that allows it, where the driveways are, how many different owners we're dealing with, If we can kind of overlay that, I think we could probably do something. And we're getting a new roundabout out there anyway. Right?

Yes.

Okay. That whole street's gonna change. So I would like to start looking ahead at what's gonna happen when that whole interchange that whole intersection changes as it needs to immediately. That's horrible. Anyway, applicants, I'm sorry, we try to accommodate everybody we can, but we're having trouble making this thing fit the plan. You can appeal this to City Council. You need to do it within ten days. And I would recommend that you jump on that. Anyway, we never love denying anyone's request. Okay. We have one more public hearing, and are we continuing this?

We we are not going to continue it. That item is still not ready. There's significant behind the scenes issues that are needing to be worked out between city legal's office and proposed development and city staff. We're close, but we don't want to keep bringing it in this format to have it keep being continued.

So we need a motion to continue it again. It was continued to this date. We need a motion to continue again, right?

We do not. We're we recommend we just go ahead and let it drop. And we will be re noticing it when we're closer to knowing for sure that it's ready to go.

So what am I doing on that? What am I declaring?

So it's on the agenda. My recommendation is that we not take any action on that item and move on

to Do next I not need to open, at least open a public hearing it was on the agenda?

Yes, I would take the That's fine. Public

Okay. I would like to do that just to cover the basis. If someone has zoomed in or come in to talk about Baldwin Ranch South Tentative Subdivision Map 2402, I'm going to open the public hearing. Would anyone like to address that item?

Commissioners, we have Marco on line that would like to speak.

Marco is a pain in the ass. Marco, welcome.

I hope I'm not that much of a pain. But with this one, is there any way to access the application so we could get a rough idea of the site map?

The I I I have a site map that I'd be happy to send you an email of. We do not have any application or staff report materials for tonight's meeting, but I do have many items in our file for this project. I'll be happy to email those or or what have you, what what you prefer.

Check with the staff. Marco, call check check with staff. They'll get you something.

Great. Sounds like a plan. Thank you guys so much.

Perfect. Thank you, sir. Who else would like to address this issue? If not, I will close the public hearing and we will deal with it later when it comes back up. Items from staff. Anything else?

Doctor. Nothing other than what I mentioned earlier. Just a reminder for on Monday, 6PM, the Del Puerto Healthcare District meeting right here. Workshop open mic session to take comments from the public. And that's all that I have. Did you have anything, Joel, you'd wanna add?

Just so we are anticipating we will have a meeting on October 9.

October 9.

It's already noticed. I have in the items from the commission for the last meeting, there was a question from me about the handicap spaces at Save Mart. And I'm assuming that you're still pursuing that or

Not really. I mean, yes and no. We determined that there were originally five handicapped parking spaces that were earmarked for the save mark portion of the overall center. It does not look like there are five there now. We will be issuing them a letter asking them to provide the requisite number of handicapped spaces that their initial site plan, as approved, provided.

Thank you.

There you go.

I can keep my mouth shut now.

We appreciate your concern.

Yes, sir.

Being an old person is concerned Anything at

else from the commission? Commissioner, comments, questions? If not, I want to thank everyone for your time tonight, and I will adjourn the meeting.