City Council - Regular Meeting

And we'll call the order of the Monday workshop.

First order of discussion regarding fiscal year 27 budget.

Mayor and council, today's just a continuation from Monday. In front of you, you'll see a ground and settle scenario. And if we get through the fee schedule today, I think we'll actually be in a good position to not need Monday's workshop. If you can finish up today with some guidance. Before we get started, once more, I know you had a question Monday about the parks personnel budget for Monday, or for 2024. I thought about that after we left, and we actually added two positions. to come today if there were any questions about the library that we kind of touched on on Monday. So she's here as well.

I just wanted to go over a few things. significant infrastructure in town under the electric utility, specifically that may still be hot. So when they work on these items, they snap and they have to repair them. Sometimes it seems like if they're looked at or the wind blows in the wrong direction, they snap and they have to repair. They've grown accustomed to repairing these items. However, they're in need of replacement. We're talking about infrastructure that would be considered the monument of the city of West Passage. We may need to consider looking at specific projects within that department and ensuring that utilities meter replacement. It's come to our attention via MICA that we currently have about 200 or so electric meters, maybe a little less, that can be installed today and throughout the year. However, once they run out, that's it. We bought these meters refurbished, so as we put in meters after this step that we currently have, it's going to require an upgrade. If we're going to upgrade our electric meters, Better. They would be considered better. This system would allow for remote disconnects. If there's a fire, they can disconnect the meter after the fact. If you had a disconnector non-pay, you could reconnect.

While we do have smart meters for the water system, we're not utilizing them to their full capability. We're still going to do the drive-by reads for it, where if we could piggyback off of the electric meter system, we could go to a true remote read, which would either flex the meter readers out to do meter replacements. If they were still having to do physical turn-on and turn-off for the water meters,

But conversely, you can relocate the utility if you think of it more as a risk cost. an option or brand new. It's something that we're also considering. Overall, I trended capital improvement over the previous five years versus the next five years. And the things that we've rolled over from year to year, capital improvement in the election departments gone up 56.9% for the next five years compared to the last five years. Now, some of these projects can be pushed out a little bit further. Some of these replacement can be pushed out a little bit further. if we're going to fund them at all. We talk about supplemental water resources and the need for it. However, currently there's no funding for that. There's no way to achieve that unless we determine how we're going to pay for it.

Yes, sir. We did pay a couple of years ago for a water study that made recommendations that we probably need to spend another $300 million.

looking at millions on top of that, but that is just to determine the form of treatment. It's almost the cost of doing business if you want to build a water plant. So it's something to consider as we talk supplemental resources, how serious are we when discussing those things, because they're going to come with a significant price tag.

Is there any kind of assistance that you've seen out there?

Yes, there is assistance. There's funding you can get from a state-level Texas Water Development Board that the application yet. I will say this much, in terms of Texas Water and Development Boards, in terms of what I would consider free money, not really free money because we're all paying for it, but money that we're getting from the state of Texas as a grant. The message has been pretty clear from the Texas Water and Development Board to the Texas Senate taxpayers is quit using the Water and Development Board to fund your projects, try to fund them on a local level. Texas Water and Development Board does get loans. I mean, you can acquire a loan from them as well. That's probably more of the path that we need to look into is loans, but even then you gotta pay those loans back. They do offer principal forgiveness in some instances, would like to add with this fiscal year that we're approaching, water is the only department There's been numerous streets and drainage projects on CIP for years. They've historically gone underfunded, primarily because there's not a funding source. As the City Manager said, we have a street maintenance tax that's kind of being divvied up between drainage projects, drainage work, and street projects. It's not enough money to go around. I mean, realistically, I think what was in capital outlay this year was roughly $390,000, and that's a medium-sized project, one. So there's other...

For us, if we were to explore that, it would look just like the street maintenance fee. It would be added to the utility bill, but it would be specifically for drainage projects. Rather than splitting the street maintenance fee between streets and drainage, it would be allocated specifically for drainage projects. But again, that's all up for discussion. We're just finding that it's become

if you don't have the document to guide you. That's where Drainage Master Plan comes in. We discussed that in November, December very briefly in one shot. Drainage Master Plans, they're gonna run you anywhere from $200 to half a million depending on how you want to develop them, what you want to include. The good news is you can set them up You're doing this project over here in a reactive measure because you can't be proactive. And the potential risk you run into is when you handle just a one-off issue in one area of town, you're setting yourself up potentially to come back in a few years and have to redo all of it if you're trying to encompass it in a larger, much bigger project. Typically with drainage, you start downstream at the Prepare for what may be to come, but even at that, it's a best guess. You can hire the best engineer in the world. If you're not looking at the problem as a whole, you're not looking at it correctly. And that's what we've been doing for the last 15 years, just handling, in a reactive way, traffic issues. It's not the way we should probably go about it in the future, but you're going to need some sort of long-term planning in your back pocket to guide you. And more importantly than that, get the following. Some people

I think they could go yes and no I see where you're coming from and any sort of long-term planning document is going to cost you a significant amount of money

threshold of adjusting how the city's been operating in terms of financially, but I think there's some things that may be cost effective to build at the same time.

It just depends. I don't know what y'all think, but after hearing what you've heard so far, it almost seems like we've got to get our wits together about moving forward and handling things differently. Probably not going to go up on taxes a little bit because

Obviously we need to do the routine

I came from a municipality that didn't issue that at all.

already have the funding available if we're doing the shifting if we don't decrease the electric rate i mean the other thing we talked about is we talked about decreasing the electric rate raising the

to help pay for the assessment

premature. We don't have a clue really what we're looking at yet. So we're hoping to get a better, maybe more firm grasp of that by the end of the month when we put the next meeting, kind of have an idea of what we're looking at, possibly financially. It's just a little too early to tell. But that's not a short-term solution in a way. That's a more long-term, expensive solution. So we'll see.

You know, one of the things that we've talked about over the years that hasn't been brought up in this is, I mean, we've got, the city's got a lot of, and of the property that we're not using, that we could turn those things into some revenue. And where we use that money, I don't know. But I think that that would be a good way, you know, a demonstration to our citizens to say, we're not using this property. Let's turn it into some revenue. We'll use it in some of these other projects like you're talking about. Anyway, I just wanted to sort that out. I'm familiar with that.

We also have a few lots that were previously used as tank sites. Tanks are still there. The lots aren't necessarily being used with the exception of one being used to have our Yeah. One's over on Castleberry. I'll touch briefly on,

Absolutely, you did.

That was probably one of your more expensive fixes there, but you're going to have fine, there's plenty of other equipment, you're going to have fine screens, you're going to have cleanings of basins, you're going to have large motors, large-scale clarifier rehabilitations, gearboxes. None of those things can be done in-house because unfortunately you don't have the expertise Let me ask you one thing.

With the large amount of plant coming online, I know that's going to take a lot of pressure off of you guys.

It absolutely will, and it actually already has. So they've decreased their loading substantially with the temporary treatment devices. Once the permanent structures are installed, it's inspected. go into sewer main condition and assessment in terms of sizing, manholes, materials, determining if there's areas of town that don't have sewer, which there are, that should have sewer. I'm a firm believer if you live inside city limits, you should have sewer availability. We don't have that availability for everybody. It's going to set you up consideration anything that is taking stormwater that needs to stop taking stormwater because that's going to decrease your capacity at the treatment facility, hindering future growth. So this study, depending on how we want to take it on, it could cost you as low as three to half a million dollars, but it could cost you as much as about 1.4. Depends on how far we want to take it. No, storm drains typically go to a receiving stream in Sulphur Creek. Sulphur Creek, Burleson Creek, Gibson Branch. All your storm drains, all your collection points are going to go to some sort of waterway. Water of the state, if you will. You don't want any storm water going to your treatment facility. That's just not how it's done. You see some northern states it was done that way, but typically older areas where they were all merged together. Texas doesn't really do that. They're separated entirely, two different systems, two different networks. And we don't have a large network of storefronts. We do have some, but we don't have a large network. We don't have nearly what we should. So a lot of it's flowing above ground, hence the drainage problem. So like I said, not to give you guys everything in the world of all the problems that we have. It's just simply stating the need for future improvement in terms of budget plans. I would like to address some of that because I know Council's heard a lot of things from a lot of different people. There's a lot of homes that have probably been built five feet lower than they should have. Now this isn't Mr. Hacken's case by case scenario, but there's... Exactly. So, you know, yes, there are some improvements that we alleviate his issues. We couldn't take the project by him. He didn't allow for that. But we could do an addition of a culvert in the area since we were already there. And we did do that. I don't know that it's completely installed yet, but I know they were working on it a few weeks ago. So that should alleviate some of those issues. I don't know that it's going to solve them. Some of these issues that we're coming across, we sit down with engineers and we're And there's some state funding opportunities on drainage. However, the flood infrastructure fund, which is primarily one of them, isn't funded by any set rate by the state of Texas. They put money in it when they want to, when the budget allows, and you can apply for it as needed. However, there's nothing allocated to be put in it for 2027. So we have two projects in the state flood plan. There's no funding opportunities for them in the flood infrastructure fund. There's also another flood mitigation fund. We don't qualify.

Yeah. We did push out the information for the public to report their damage, and there simply wasn't enough recorded throughout Lampasas County for us to qualify for that policy.

When I worked with the Salvation Army last year, we had 23 families left, 20 families that were affected.

from FEMA, you know, that's fine, that's great. Municipal assistance from FEMA, that can be a little bit of a nightmare, because you're following CDLM passes requirements in terms of purchasing, in terms of bidding, but now you're also going to deal with FEMA stuff. The federal government loves to make things complicated, so it just makes it a little bit more difficult. I'm not saying we shouldn't apply for some of that funding, all I'm saying is instead If there is an existing issue that could have prevented some of that damage, FEMA's not going to cover that. That's something City of Montgomery should cover. I can point to culverts all across town that are rusted or separated. That, was it created, was it, I'm sorry, let me rephrase, was that worsened? for our business.

I don't think it's nothing we can't get through.

I think we'll get through it. It's going to take some ingenuity, some smart planning, but I think we can get through it. I think you've got staff to help you guide you through this. budgets as it stands for fiscal year 27 are bare minimum they're bare bones we can make that work however if we're talking future cuts we may want to consider what we're willing to sacrifice in terms of service interruptions because a prime example would be tree trimming services for the electric department we've been City's been counseled with a generous staff, and I think roughly $200,000 is what's in the next budget. Those monies alone allow for that contractor to come back around to that area of the town about every six to eight years. Realistically, they should be doing it every four. It's better than nothing, don't get me wrong, but if we're talking future cuts to operating budgets, it's just something to keep in mind. That could relate

That's one of the great things about, I know that residents can get frustrated with the rates they're having to pay, and they see some deregulated rates, and they're low, we get you on the hook, and then they go up, but that's one of the great things about high-level services, how quickly we can respond, because if you were on Onc, or if you were on AV, or any of the other providers out there, it could be days, and our guys take care of you.

It really did go very fast. That was a hard one.

One other thing I have to say, this may be a topic I really don't want to discuss, it may be something hot, but collection station will never be a moneymaker. You'll be fortunate to break even. If we're talking about what may not be long-term necessary, I don't feel like I'd be performing due diligence if I didn't bring it up. um collection and recyclables they're not going to make the city money they never will so something to consider so what all is at the collection station besides um because i know that if you have big equipment like let's say i have one i can call frontier and i'll hold it off so um what is the removal of stuff. I know Councilor Hanging says he doesn't use it. There are a few contractors in town that do use it because their laws do stay pretty full. But it's trash, junk, for the most part. You mentioned an appliance.

You could take that down there as well. I don't know if you wanted to do it yourself. But like you said, you call Frontier and pick it up. Yeah, so why would I carry it down there if I was on Frontier?

I'd pick it up first. be if you're a landlord and lay down a rental house, it may be worthwhile. Separate from the collection center, you also have the recycling center, which is all on the side, not going to be open.

So what we discussed after our meeting Monday is, I mean, if we're looking at things for cost value, do we need to keep the collection station open? We could have an annual fee for residents and an annual fee for contractors who don't dump off brush because there's little enough cost to operating the brush burning.

Go ahead. Sorry, I wanted to interrupt you. In prior years, the city did a one-week concept. I think most of you are probably still familiar with that concept, but we had roll-ups brought in for about a one-week time period over at the city barn. So, it may have been twice a year, but they allowed people to come in. As long as you had a city ID or utility bill, you dumped your stuff, I don't believe they charged you anything. And the city burdened that cost during that event on the way. The city staffer line doesn't work it. They take care of it and man it. And then when it was done, it was done. Everything left.

So...

Yes, unequivocally, yes. How much does, can we look at what the number, what the collection state, like what is the cost to run a collection station? Like how much did that save us that we could use that in other areas?

We can actually look on page one in your binder. The revenues for operating a collection station proposed for

Has this factored into Frontier's proposal

So you could potentially offer it.

So if we edit recycling and the larger tiny something,

every year and they base it on that year's CPI. That's all I got, do you have any questions?

explain how the roles of full-time, part-time, how that affects you. That's what we have the most questions about. So just kind of go over that for us if you can.

Okay.

So there are two full-time, me and an assistant librarian. And then there are three part-time clerks. And they're about actually having part-time jobs Generally earlier in the week and right at opening and right at closing.

I know you and I talked about the changes in demographics and how many people are visiting the library. Do you see that happening in the future?

Well, one thing that or it's called Growing Libraries and they have a platform where they can to pay for them. But I think that would actually help with our outreach and bringing in people that don't know about the library, don't know what we offer, don't know that, like we could select households that have children of zero to six years old. Postcards would go out to them advertising our Dolly Parton program, for example. like maybe in September we're going to have a library card sign up you know like campaign or whatever we could send out postcards ahead of time letting people know that that's coming and you know we don't have a library card so you know here's an opportunity a campaign actually and I think that strategic outreach Yes, they break them down, but yes. And similarly, you know, our senior tech help or whatever, we could send postcards out directly to the people that have seniors in the household, that kind of thing.

Do you all have donors or is that a thing? Do people donate to the library?

And there's a Guthrie committee that meets to determine, you know, kind of if we want to use some of those funds for some special project. Those are usually larger projects, like the tree house that we got, that kind of thing.

Shane, can I ask, given that you have two full-time employees and currently budget for three full-time employees, If that was to be cut to two part time employees rather than free, would you still have adequate coverage for the library?

Is there any kind of volunteer off the board?

list slowly.

What would you say how many volunteers do you have?

Regular volunteers, I think we have about five or six. Something else that I had considered that I was just kind of thinking about busy during the Saturdays? It depends. We can't tell anything that causes it to be really busy one Saturday and then the next one kind of dead. Some are steady. There's just And so we did that.

It's closer right now, but what kind of savings is there, besides the salary on there, or the pay on there? It looks like it's either $15,000 or $16,000.

Right, so then you have your FICA, it's 7.65%.

So it wouldn't be a thing for a thing, because if you got rid of a part-time person, you'd have to extend it out to other two part-time people. So there would be, I would think that that whole thing would be sending

Unless you restructure the scheduling and utilize volunteers.

It has been before. Oftentimes it's done in instances where it's not necessarily a Parks and Recreation Department. Some larger municipalities will do what's called a Community Development Department, which will encompass both for libraries, yes, and it's only typically been in those

So I did that. You'll see one that has a cost of living increase for almost all employees at one to have. Then there's one analysis for salaries under $60,000 and one analysis for salaries under $50,000.

Each at one, two, and three percent. And so for each of the total that you have on the last page of those listings, you have the total for that cost of one, two, and three percent?

Correct. So that includes your increase in base each employee receives an extra check in November, December, which is the equivalent of one week's pay, then your FICA, your retirement, and a total. So, for example, if all employees were to get I mean, to get to that number, you have to look at it by fund. You have to look at it by fund. So the general fund, if you're looking at a cost of living increase, one cent tax increase. So for under $60,000...

And that would be, you're talking the base salary being $60,000, is that correct? What do you mean? Yeah, not including any benefits.

No, did I mention? No, that's, so what you see in the spreadsheet is the base salary and then what the addition to that would be.

But I mean, I think that would have to be couched with, like, we're going to have to go up to $100,000. There's no way for us to do that. I mean, it needs to be part of a probably short-term slash long-term plan for about 10 years of getting out of the state competitively with other municipalities. Again, we love this town. We love the services that are provided. We don't want to cut anything. And the only way we can get there is that way. Which, if you're going to be off-grid, you're going to have to pay a lot of money or work a lot. You know, so...

What's the impact on overtime or something like that? Did you account for that? On what? For those who have overtime, is that a pretty consistent part there?

Is there a big impact at all?

That did not take into account the impact of overtime, and the primary departments you're going to see that in are going to be police and fire. Councilman Hernandez, I did look at impacts on the electric rate Monday. A quarter of a penny, one-fourth of a penny, equates to $260,000 to $270,000. If you're looking at an eighth of a penny, so it's half that, one-thirty-ish, just so you have an idea of what that impact would be. Again, just in my opinion, as we're in our first year of this, my recommendation would not be to increase the electric rate in the first year, but I understand certainly where we're coming from on that.

So if you do the 3%, So potentially you could do an eighth of a cent. That still leaves you with a quarter million in excess in the electric fund where you can get the truck that you've tabled for this year.

does give the electric fund an opportunity to get some of the equipment they need as well.

I feel more comfortable with that. I mean, we've been talking about raising the tax rate and lowering it.

Would that still allow us to do the impact means or meters?

We're looking at $250,000 a year for several years for the meter rooms.

So, no.

Yeah, it's got to have to be a buildup to that.

We're looking at what we can establish in the first year. Is that correct? Yes. To see if the meter suppliers are looking at several vendors will allow a five-year payout on those meters if there's no financing fee to that, rather than us having to acquire all the meters fiscally in year one. If we have some options on how to extend that. It's all slated for water at this point. water development board funding that may free up additional monies in that for additional water projects. It could potentially go to electric projects. We just need to recalculate how that's being paid back. Because right now, the rebate on that There will be an upfront expense to that because municipalities are regulated in how they can dispose of their property, so we have to sell it for no less than fair market value, which means we'll have to have each piece of property raised. Or you can do a public auction, but I think you still have to list them in my bid for fair market value.

As long as you take into account whether my cops have disclosed it or not.

That old landfill, I don't know if I even should say this, but I'm a little worried about it because it was a landfill.

I don't think it will have much value because it was a landfill. they say, potentially years in the future, but not.

Is there ever going to be a study of the land they've done? Is there ever going to be a study of that land? I know that tank on Avenue B in Willis is an eyesore, and it's going to take some costs to get rid of that, too.

The demolitions typically run several hundred thousand dollars. It might be different here, have radium over there so that the metal had to be disposed of differently because the metal contains That's not the case here, and I'll be very clear in saying that's not the case here, Are we good to run through the fee schedule real quick? Yes.

I would like to make one more point real quick regarding, you know, you mentioned you don't suggest or recommend

It was on your desk on Monday, whether you put it in your binder There's not just a whole lot of changes in here, and Shannon did not make those recommendations, but I made a recommendation to go up on Han Resident duty for library cards. Oh, 100%. She did make some changes for USB flash drive and just based on so there's some minimal changes to library fees.

Is USB flash drive still in flash drives?

They've blown them out. Yes, we do have some for sale.

Yeah, the 10 and 20 already is, but first off, first off. I'm not disagreeing with the idea. I'm just questioning from a business perspective. If I go up on the press, is it going to come back? I think it's important.

our current council wants to

because they come to us, they have to pay. They go to COBE, they have to pay. They can open a library. How much is COBE? They just need to be cheaper than that. Actually, I think theirs is the same as ours.

OK. Well, then that's OK. Just a slight increase to page three, licenses for dogs and cats. Chief Cummings, can you speak to how many people actually register their animals?

Thank you.

The next change is on page 8, and that's just removing reference to the mobile food vendors. You guys have considered that in your last two council meetings. Bailey, did you want to speak to your

So for the pools, the first fee you're going to see, I believe, is going to be your daily admission. We're just looking to round this up to the whole dollar. It has been a large burden for us to keep a large quantity of quarters on hand there, where we do take cash or check only. As of right now, we do not have part of the facility. And so we're just looking to round those up to the nearest whole dollar so we're not having to deal with change all the time. And so that's going to take your adult admission from $3.50 to $4.00 and then $2.50 to $3.00 for your seniors and kids. Again, and those have been benchmarked and those still stay under cities in Texas that are around the average of the size of our city.

So initially the fee was called infant but it was calling infant up to three years old and so that is just switched from making

And that's up to, if you'd like to keep it at three, we may want to rename it from Invent to whatever. Yeah, that too. It's very misleading to... on that. And so it does mislead seasonal staff on saying infants are free, but kids are $2.50. They think infant as newborn, essentially. And so, you know, if you want to move in another direction on that guidance, it would be appreciated. But I think that would be free. Okay.

My boy is three, so I'm not going to be having any problems.

Then the recommendation from STAC would be to simply just rename that fee instead of infant. And then in turn, we will turn around and switch child from 1 to 12 to 3 to 12. And then... Renaming that infant.

Correct.

Correct, yes. Yes, avoid the confusion. Next are going to be the aquatics rentals. for the rental packages for after-hours rentals. If you wanted to have one to 25 people at your party, it was $75 an hour. 26 to 50 was $90 an hour. 51 to 75 is $1.15 an hour, I believe. And 76 to 100 is $140 an hour. Since these fees have been implemented years and years ago, there has been some law changes regarding minimum staffing with lifeguards. These fees have not been updated since then. We typically do have to have some more lifeguards on staff than what you would have seen in a public pool 10, 12, 15 years ago. And so it's staff recommendation that since we have to have the same amount of lifeguards into one fee, and then once you hit that 50 to 51 threshold, we have to have an additional three lifeguards there typically, and so combining the 51 to 75 and the 76 to 100 fee into a two, going from two to, from four to two fees, one to 50, 51 to 100. Next. The one person I had asked said that their attendance was 102 people. And they had several individuals who were not swimmers. It was grandparents who were just going to sit under the pavilion. That is a loaded question right now. We are going back and forth on capacity of the facility right now.

So just for reference, we booked out on these this year.

We had, I believe, 41 of these We are going back and forth with several people right now regarding what capacity would look like in different scenarios, what the international building code states, and go ahead.

So technically for building code, is considering the state law only allows for 25 patrons per lifeguard, and at almost any given time we have five lifeguards on. It's typically why capacity's been cut at 125. I have spoken with another building official, got a little bit of feedback that us being the authority, the authority having jurisdiction, we can change that number to what makes the most sense for us. So we've gone back a little bit, And we're looking at probably 200 or so. But again, the state declares that we can only have 25 per lifeguard in the pool at one time.

So we need this subject to the lifeguard availability?

Correct. That's kind of what I'm looking at. So we could potentially do 200 on the grounds, but only 125 in the pool. We're trying to come up with a plan for how we can.

And then that becomes very difficult to monitor how many are in and out of the corner.

We've talked about potentially having the catchers do a wristband system. They're asked when they check in.

Hannah's the one that I've got some solid numbers on.

There are a lot of factors that play into it. The depth of the pool. Are there any slide features? What's the width of the entrance? Because your means of ingress, egress factors into your attendance. So after we spoke, we dug into it further and there

I don't disagree I would like to see how the capacity conversation finishes I don't want to put a fee schedule in there maybe necessarily for a 100 to 150 and it turns out

once we settle on a number we will order a sign that says occupancy load is me a splash pad if you let me close a book. I would love a splash pad.

The principle was that we would not close a book. Oh, I would never close a book. But that's what they're saying.

It is, splash pads are uniquely difficult, yet easy to maintain. You do have to have, you have to have somebody on staff that

Sometimes it's open, sometimes it's not, because inevitably someone's driven over it and torn it up. You can buy one for like $12 at Walmart.

I'm going to interject before you get to ball fields on page 17. I just recommended that we change the age of the junior green fee from 16 to 17 years old, so that's recognizing minors. I just recommend taking the geno feed from 16 to 17. Is it high?

Yeah, it's in purple.

Oh, there it is.

Okay.

All right.

We typically advise against that because it's essentially a cost savings if you utilize the punch card.

Maybe somebody didn't know they liked it. Correct.

And so that's why if somebody doesn't know they like it, we recommend they come for a one-time pay the admission for the pool. And that's what they do. And they typically will turn around and buy a punch card.

Unless there's a drop in the head. Unless there's a drop in the head. Correct.

So if so-and-so has a friend that's from the water robots within that day, definitely that daily rate.

Or we allow them to utilize a punch-off of the expense.

So what is this water robot?

I mean, it's not a class?

It is a class. It's taught on Tuesday, Thursday, by Darby myself. So it is 7, now it's 7 to 8 o'clock in the evenings on Tuesdays and Thursdays. It will switch to 6 p.m. in August because we'll be going back. I knew you'd be interested.

So I'm worried about this.

Don't worry about it.

On top of the, we are not changing our season passes for example and so currently I believe the fee states that it's a family of six for the aquatic season pass that would stand but if anybody for anybody above four so currently family season pass is for a family if you would like to purchase above that four threshold that's just which is menial but we've currently not had a fee to be able to do that and it has raised some concern over the summer that if my family is eight people do I have to purchase two separate seats and passes is there a way to add on to that and so now we're adding that availability to add on to that for just a small cost the last two this has also been a large request from the community this individuals into lap swim and water aerobics for the entire summer for just to add on to their season pass. So for example, if an individual purchased a season pass for $60 and then they wanted to add on a lap swim and water aerobics pass this summer, they would pay a $100 flat fee. Currently, what that person would do is they would pay the $60 for the season pass and then every month, they would have to pay for lap swimming. Every month they would have to pay for water aerobics. And so it is really gonna be a cost savings for the citizen in the long run if they want to do that deluxe package. And then onto ball fields. So there has been a lot of interest in this past year regarding renting the facilities for practices and trials and having those kind of set up Prior to this, I've only been here a year, but asking around, talking to Jesse and Steven, they have not really seen the same thing. This would be separate from the contracts that we run with Kelsey Wiley, LSA. We have an adult softball league out at 580 right now, and those are, they are on a different contract. They'd be a different, more menial rate than what these would be introduced as. I don't know if the contractor grants for this have to be published, or are they a part of these?

They're individual to each contract, and what we've seen with some of them is generally going

That is correct.

and renting, and so those ball fields do stay locked to maintain their integrity. So there are options in the city for ball fields, gaping garrets open all the time. I mean, if you're just wanting somewhere to play gap, yes. And to answer your question, it's on a rotating basis. And so one... Consistency would be... All it takes is an email or a phone call to say, hey, what...

But sometimes you don't have time to email or it's a Saturday. I don't think it needs to have an email or a phone call. Oh, it doesn't know what to email. Mm-hmm.

If somebody has the field rented, we have an app on our phone that we have the lights on. But if the field is not rented, they are not on. Now, if somebody, quote unquote, rents the field in, If you would like the next, I can bring in ball fields. I can have Steven come in.

Not Monday, but it would be the last council meeting in July. We've already listed the agenda. Okay.

To talk specifically about the ball fields, again, that's not where I stay at. And so I don't want to give too many definitive answers without knowing all of them.

out there.

I've done way more work out there than a lot of tilling fields and tracking and doing all kinds of things in years past.

Understood.

So I know what it takes to take care of it.

We have had it that take up in vagalism.

Do you want to put this on a council meeting so we can talk about it?

Yeah, I think it's very good. If vandalism was an issue, you know, like we had out of the 5-8 parks where people formerly lived, or where they shouldn't have been formerly lived, you know, that's probably what we can't talk about.

Bailey, do you have any plans or, I mean, I can't see anything here that's like that.

We have tournaments at 580 Sports Complex, more so than we do at Turner, and it's just community interest. We have had a tournament at 580 at least twice a month since the beginning of the year. And so we are having some pretty consistent tournaments out there. I've attempted to help them with... maybe some advertising with that. Is this like adult softball? Mostly adult softball. There's one individual in particular who rents out once a month for eight, nine, ten months at a time to do it, you know, almost a year out. And they've had some success with the tournaments. On August the 1st, there will be a large memorial softball tournament out there at that facility. to 45 teams, and so that'll be a very large tournament.

Has there been any interest in youth baseball tournaments?

Unfortunately, anybody I've talked to I know they're, when I was still working to clean I wouldn't say it was shot down at the time, but it was asked to be revisited. So if that's something you would like to have me revisit, then... My grandson is going around other communities.

I mean, every community that we've gone into.

Well, I'm wondering if there's a tournament.

take up a spectator fee. I do think we would have to get creative at 580 Sports Complex if there's a tournament out there. And we set up entry at the front gate. And so I said, oh, I just want to go run on Great.

And kind of along those lines, I don't know what it would cost to add on city employees if they're collecting. Is it worth it?

I think it would be up to the tournament.

Yeah. I think it would be something that could be in the tournament's hands.

Yeah, we would in the second.

You know, yeah. I don't know. Six and one.

I've got a few questions for you.

Yeah. So, I don't know if this is something that you missed or it's going to come up. I may be shooting myself in the book here. But if I wanted to, like, put together and try to organize a race out of thrills, and try to get out of thrills, is there a day for a race? Is there any time for that?

There is not. I have also explored this opportunity, but I've also had no interest so far. I typically... I have interest. You have interest. But no, in reality, I do see.

Yeah, because if you're going to, I think there needs to be fees for stuff like that. Because if you're going to shut it down for an event, then it's shut down for the public.

this time last year, but never went through with anything because there was no interest. So I can go back and look at those numbers.

You can get up to 12 miles up there now. We had a donor donate all the funds to put those in. I wanted to talk to that group as well with maybe the possibility of like a weekend kind of situation where it was one day at trail running and one day at like a competition. And like, you know, kind of piggyback off each other. Because generally speaking, trail runners and mountain bikers don't love each other, but they do.

it would be three years down the road to introduce a triathlon with the syntax race series. And that, I mean, it is years. They're looking for somebody to host a marathon and they're looking for somebody to host a triathlon.

There's a budget workshop. What we'll do is gather back up after we get the certified tax roll from the appraisal district, which is due July 20th. So we can get through all this today. At the next one.

When is the certified tax raise?

It's generally due July 20th from the appraisal district.

Any other recommendations, questions for parks and rec department?

I can maybe answer this on my own. Just don't miss out there. We did have part of the kids fishermen out there about a month ago

would, it does look like it needs some help.

And so our whole facility really is not going to, and we need to get on that before it gets done.

The option I'm exploring is we've had some approach within our CID for several years.

We've just not generated it. But I was just saying, since you're supposedly generating funds, that might be a good place to use them. I've also had some interest from a potential equal scout to undertake that project.

And so I would want to explore that before using funds that we have that could be allocated elsewhere.

vehicles and stuff for the school district.

We kind of asked if we had a little donation back and maybe they could know about that.

Could be an auction as well.

We could nudge the back of the elders people.

Look, we've donated for the lease.

It is a very, it's probably only about a 12 foot span by three feet, three and a half feet wide, not anything. Anything else?

Are we all good?

Thank you. I'll have the trophy numbers to you at the next budget workshop. Thank you.

As Steven has mentioned, we're looking at cost of actual services and passing those on. So electrical connects, equipment breaks, in accordance with FEMA schedule, cost of service connection to include all costs associated with parts, material, labor, equipment, and if necessary, road boring, residential transformers, customer pools. There was a question Monday about if there's room in our rates. but I do think that our meter rate is low. I've compared it to other meetings I have it broken down into the types of meters that we have. Residential inside, we have 3,279, I'm sorry, 3,341. Small general inside 319. Small general outside 62. Large general exempt 17. That's a good question. It's just a... They may be tax exempt on that. I'd have to dig for it. It's just being numbers. Large general outsides. If you're looking at where there may be room with utility rates, I think we're low on our meter rates. Can you scroll down a little bit more?

Why are we still low on the meter rates? Why are we still low on the meter rates?

in those rates, so I'm not sure why they're set.

Other than, we used to work with our large electric users to put them on special electric compacts. They got special electric rates. How many are we looking at in this room? Three. Nothing. Yes, three.

So, I mean, if you bumped it up to 50 bucks, it's still a lot of money.

Correct.

Do you think you're going to run something off? I mean if there's a going rate of $1,000 a month, what's the average going rate? Let me see.

But it wouldn't be as intense. OK. So I'll bring back not Monday, but the next time we

So, taking that into consideration, is there a detriment to our community if we start raising these rates?

People say, they're not as good as they used to be.

I don't think so. Steven, what does a customer pull cost?

Moving through those, you'll see that there's several items added. Water inbox fees, water tap fees, cost of service connections, including all the costs for refueling and money. As we discussed, a dollar increase to water rates. I do have in here a 50 cent

The bonus installation is about $70,000 as of today. So, savings closer, by far, than I was.

In the past, we have not been charging for the labor for them to go and set the whole

My opinion, cost of the poll includes labor.

Of course it's cost, it should include labor.

I agree.

in there in the past i've asked him to add it so that when we do give someone a cost estimate it stays in our fee schedule that we have included all of these things so 15 is going to be your admin but then your cost is going to be everything for the guys to go out there and do all the work

We billed for $20,445,000 in the month of May.

Do you have an idea what the average per household would be?

It's generally 3,000 gallons per month. So you'd be looking at 29, what about this? 13. So you're currently 42 average early scorer.

And you'd be at 44. Yeah, I think that's it. At that rate, customers are still ahead of owning a house at the higher end of the exception. That's kind of what I'm basing this on. The cost of the property, they're still way ahead.

Well, and this is kind of where we discussed last year, customers are fairly directly in control of their water consumption.

sewer, not a subject. So some households with

So if we can't provide the service, we don't charge.

Correct. Correct. But it would be the goal of the city if that subdivision's in city limits to get it on sewer itself. Right. If they don't get a street sweeper out in the neighborhood, how can I take streets off my bill? How about I get your street sweeper instead?

I think we've made it through all the topics do not mean to meet at noon Monday before school meet for a regular.