City Council - Regular Meeting

Good evening. I thought you said live. Good evening. Welcome to the September 14th edition of the City Council meeting. I now call to order. May I have the roll call, please?

Council Member Bales.

Here.

Council Member Bills. Here. Council Member Curran.

Here.

Council Member Dewar.

Here.

Council Member Littoral.

Here.

Vice Mayor Upton. Here. Mayor Adams.

Move to excuse Mayor Adams. Second.

All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? All right, Mayor Adams, you are excused. For those in the attendance this evening, he sends his regrets. I know he wishes he could be here with us tonight. A family matter came up that he wasn't able to attend today. So with that, we will move into pledge and a prayer of silence.

And I get to leave that? If you could, please stand.

and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

You remain standing for one moment. Please join me. May we be guided by wisdom, fairness, and understanding as we gather today. Grant us patience in our discussions, respect in our differences, and integrity in our decisions. May our work serve the best intentions of our community and reflect the spirit of cooperation and care. Amen. Thank you. All right. We have an agenda before us tonight. Move we approve the agenda, Your Honor.

Second.

All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. We have a set of minutes to approve or to review.

Motion to approve August 24th meeting minutes.

Second.

All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? All right. We have a PUD next on the agenda. I think we need to untable this first, because this was a continuation from our last meeting.

Who are you on?

Go ahead.

Sure. Motion to untable PUD 8-4. Second.

All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Okay, so now we're untabled. The applicant has actually withdrawn their application, so there's no further action needed. This will end that discussion.

We will continue to move on.

Ordinances, resolutions, and PUDs. Can we have the first resolution, please?

Resolution 26-41. Resolution by the Beaver Creek City Council authorizing the city manager to pursue grant funding from AARP in order to develop an action and evaluation plan as a second step to the age-friendly community survey completed in 2025.

All right. Mr. Burkett? Yes. Good evening, Council. DeVore U is a resolution. As Council may be aware, in 2025, we got a joint grant with the township to do an age-friendly community survey where we hired a third-party consultant. They did online surveys. They did paper surveys, in-person discussions. We got those results in an executive summary at the end of last year. And so really the next step through the age-friendly process is to create an action plan. Miami Valley Regional Planning Commission and the Dayton Foundation has offered a $5,000 to $10,000 grant that communities can apply for to create that action plan. So we're looking to have a resolution passed where the city manager is authorized to apply for that. The resolution also stipulates that we can apply in coordination with the township, similarly what we did with the age community survey. So we're looking for a resolution by city council in order to apply for that grant. The grant's between $5,000 and $10,000. And if we join with the township, we can increase that to $10,000 to $20,000.

May I have any comments?

So you mentioned if we apply with the township. Are you planning to apply?

We're planning to. I just wanted to cover all bases in case the application deadline is October 1st. So I wanted to make sure that we have flexibility. But the plan is to apply with the township.

Just to reiterate something I said the first time is we can walk away at any time. There's nothing binding here.

No, I mean, this is grant funding, and, you know, we would owe reports, but it's nothing that we would have to pay back. Sure.

Thank you.

Go ahead.

Motion to approve Resolution 26-41. Second.

All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. 2642, please.

Resolution 26-42, a resolution authorizing the city manager to enter into an LPA federal project agreement with the Ohio Department of Transportation for the project known as GRE-CR36-2.95, Indian Ripple Road Widening Project, PID number 119959.

Good evening, Vice Mayor and members of City Council. This evening I have two LPA agreements that will be coming before you. The first one here is for Indian Ripple. Just to kind of give you an idea of where this is located, this is located on Indian Ripple from the intersection of Alpha-Bellbrook, which is the cork line, back west to that first private drive, which is Woodview East. Another thing to note with this as well, I did not have it up there just so there wasn't confusion, but this got combined, and I'll get through this here more in a minute, this was combined with the previously awarded project from Barron Wood to Woodview East to do it as one project. MVRPC let us combine both of those so we could construct it all at once. Next slide, please, Pete. So with this, this project continues what is from Barron Wood to Woodview East, which is the installation of an eight-foot-wide sidewalk along the south side of Indian Ripple with ADA-compliant requirements. And then also we'll install a two-way left turn lane throughout that section. We'll include curb and gutter and storm sewer. A little project history with this. We applied for congestion mitigation air quality funding through MVRPC in 2022. We were awarded that after approval from MVRPC and ODOT's statewide committee for CMAQ in 2023. This project is also part of MVRPC's long-range plan. It's project number 443. As I said before, we combined it with the Indian Ripple Road widening from Barronwood Boulevard to Woodview East. Design began in 2024. Right of way acquisition began in early 2026. Just for an update with this too, so this next step, the next step would be construction, which would be starting in 2027. This portion has a 79-21 split for funding, federal versus local. Total project cost for this section is $2.675 million. The federal share is $2,113,250 and local share for that for construction is $561,750. One other thing to note, total project cost for both of these projects together is around $4 million. So with that, I'd recommend approval of the TATRA solution to have this move forward. And I won't answer any questions.

Thank you, Mr. Smith. Any questions? Question.

What's the county engineer's thought there at Alpha Bellbrook and Indian Ripple? What's going to happen at that intersection?

Mr. Kerwin, I know that the county engineer has tried for grant funding for a potential roundabout at that intersection. I don't know where she is at at this point, if she's still trying for that or not this round.

Thank you.

Mr. Smith, have you heard any feedback from residents?

So far, it's been positive. I've been able to work with some of the residents on some questions that they had as we've gone through right away negotiations here. We have moved forward and closed with a few residents already.

Thank you. I have one question regarding, you said that there was plans for an eight-foot sidewalk on the south side of the roadway.

Correct.

I thought that I had read through that there was actually a sidewalk on the other side of the roadway also. Am I thinking of the Kemp Road?

That's the Kemp Road project, Mr. O'Rourke.

All right. I brought this up, I think, one other time. And I don't know... regulations. In the sense of a... I believe that they call it a tree lawn or the verge between the sidewalk and the roadways. I believe that... It's my belief that it's getting away from us. I don't know if there's a way to... And I don't know how this would affect right-of-way either. But when we have these eight-foot side paths, putting a foot or a foot and a half of... grass between the roadway and the curb doesn't seem to make a lot of sense. I feel like that if there was a if it's going to turn out to be a minimum amount like four feet, less than four feet, that we should begin looking into moving these side paths directly against the curb of the roadway. Sure.

Yeah, I can go over some of that with you here real quick kind of general overview for you. So when we when you have a sidewalk or a side path that's against the curb. You have to expand that walk an additional two feet for best ways to put it is maneuverability for users of that facility. That's something that ODOT requires so that way if they are riding on that edge they still have room to maneuver and not potentially fall into traffic or something like that. So that's something that we have done in other areas where we've gone from eight to ten to have that whole area paved um or five to seven um if we have a two foot tree lawn i i don't have that right in front of me if it was two or it was five i think it was five foot tree long for this project i don't think it was two um i i can get back to you for sure with that answer but um yeah that's that would be the only stipulation if we did move it To be up against the curb, we would have to expand that to basically the back of the walk would still hold that same location because we couldn't make it narrower for that.

Okay. So let me make sure I'm following you. Sure. So you're saying that it has to add two feet to the walk if you move it to the curb? Correct. So basically, yeah. If we said we were going to put in a five-foot walk, they're going to say we have to put in a seven-foot walk. Correct.

Yeah.

okay yeah that's an o dot requirement so but if if it was going to only be if the if the project was going to be three foot from the it just and i don't know if anybody else has noticed but throughout the city if you get anything that's less than enough room to drop an entire lawn, at least three or four feet in. It's very difficult for people to take care of, and it does look bad. And they're not consistent throughout the city. You'll have some areas that it looks like it's about a foot, and you'll have other places that have a nice, big, wide one that They'll take a couple of passes by. I don't know if through zoning or through a procedural thing that we can start looking at these things more, I guess, to make them more consistent throughout the city. But, yeah, I would like to hear more about this particular project. And also, this also applies, in my opinion, especially on Kemp, Kemp Road project that's coming up, the same. Just so I'm not going to...

ask the same question yeah that's all right you know councilman literal i thought about that along grange hall road right when the widening and this the big side path went in there and there was a gap between the side path and range hall road and it was just up abutting the farm field I thought, well, who's going to mow that? Who's going to take care of that? Has the farmer got to get his hand mower out there and mow that strip? I don't know who does it, but it's actually been maintained this summer. But looking at the aerial photograph of Indian Ripple Road, there's several properties, but then there's a large wooded

area there, too, so we'll have to maintain that grass. Correct.

Good question. Well, an example from my perspective is the field behind Speedway on North Fairfield Road that they wait until they're told to mow grass each time, I think. I'm not sure of the owner. I'm not going to say. That area and the sidewalks look bad. The grass is encroached on both sides of the sidewalk now, and it's even fallen over the edge of the curb into creating grass in the cracks of the curb also. You know what I mean? I just think that there needs to be some more thought put into these tree lawns. They certainly ain't enough room for a tree, so I don't think we should call them tree lawns.

That's something we can definitely talk with. All right.

We'll take up even more time.

Yeah, for sure. Any further comment? Do we have a motion?

Your Honor, I'd move Resolution 26-42. Motion to approve it.

Second. We have a motion and a second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Thank you. Motion carries 26 43.

Resolution 26 dash 43, a resolution authorizing the city manager to enter into an LPA federal project agreement with the Ohio department of transportation for the project known as G R E dash C R 40 dash 2.49. Camp road sidewalks project PID number 1 1 9 9 6 1.

Good evening again. So this is another LPA agreement that we're going to be going over again tonight here. So this one is for Kemp Road sidewalks, which, as Mr. Littoral just kind of pointed out, this one does have sidewalk on both sides. I'll get to that here in a minute. The general location for this is between North Fairfield and Haynes Road. So that's kind of the general location right there. You can see where the sidewalks end. just east of North Fairfield Road, and then we have some sidewalk out to the east along the school, but this will be completing that whole corridor. So with this, the project description for this, it's going to have a 5-foot sidewalk along the south side of the road, and a 10-foot side path along the north side of Kemp Road. Once again, these will be ADA compliance requirements. Kemp Road will also be widened to three lanes. There's a small section from just west of Crabtree to just east of Wordinger Park that is two lanes right now, so we'll be widening that section to three lanes to match everything else around it. This will also include curb and gutter, and it will include storm sewer throughout the project as well. A little history on this one as well, kind of the same as the last one, as they went through about the same time. Applied for congestion and mitigation air quality CMAQ funding in 2022 through MVRPC. Once again, this was approved by MVRPC and the statewide CMAQ committee in 2023. This is part of MVRPC's long-range plan. It's project 58D. The design began on this one in 2025, and right-of-way acquisition began in early 2026. So that's the history for that one. Next steps for this one, once again, we'll be starting construction in 2027. This one has a 50-50 split for federal and local. Total project estimate is $2.01 million and then $1,005,800 for the split for both of those. With that, I recommend approval for the attached resolution, and I will answer some questions if anybody has any.

I wanted to ask you a question. There are sections of sidewalk that are already there. Do they get pulled up, Nick, or will we follow that same process?

So Mr. Kerwin, some of those are going to have to be shifted with the reconstruction of the roadway that we're going to have to do through there too. I believe in front of the school, it will stay. It'll match into that one at the school. The out to the west, that access drive to get into like Chick-fil-A and Milano's there, that will stay as well where we just reconstructed that area and widened a couple of, I think it was last, two years ago when Freddy's went in. So those will stay in those areas for the most part, unless there's, if there's bad areas in that sidewalk, we will be replacing those as well, so. do the widths match what's existing they do i did check that to verify that they were 10 feet especially for the side path i did check that it is 10 feet wide out through there so yes feedback from the neighbors So far, for the most part, it's been fairly positive. The church, we've been working with them for some questions they had specifically for their drive access, for reconstruction of that, to see how that would mesh for their future needs. A couple of property owners had some questions. One in particular just had concerns about the project. Talking with him at the PI meeting, I think I helped alleviate most of his problems or concerns that he had with it. It was due to maintenance and items like that, especially with the sidewalk that he had questions with.

Feedback from the Township Fire Department.

I have not heard anything from the fire department, negative or positive. They have been in review with this. We did check with them for their access to make sure the access, what we were going to do to the access was not going to impact them. And we will work with them during construction to make sure that all of their apparatus can still be in and out through that area.

Good question. Thank you. I was wondering about that as well during the construction phase.

Yeah.

Any further questions? No. We'll take a motion.

Move to approve resolution 26-43. Second.

We have a motion and a second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. 26-44, please.

Resolution 26-44, a resolution directing the Greene County Auditor to enter the cost of overgrown grass cutting on the tax duplicate OF THE PROPERTIES DESCRIBED IN EXHIBIT A.

GOOD EVENING, MR. GRAHAM. THIS IS A LITTLE FLIP-FLOP FOR YOU, ISN'T IT? DON'T YOU USUALLY GET THESE WHEN YOU ARE THE COUNTY AUDITOR?

EVERYTHING CHANGES. SO THIS IS AN ANNUAL RESOLUTION ASKING THAT THE WEED MOWING ASSESSMENTS BE CERTIFIED TO THE COUNTY AUDITOR WHO WILL PLACE THEM ON THE TAX DUPLICATE. SECTION 9710 OF THE CITY CODE OF ORDINANCES OUTLINES THE REQUIREMENTS GRASS BE MAINTAINED AT 10 INCHES OR LESS IN SECTION 97.13 OUTLINES THE PROCESS TO WHICH THESE PROPERTIES GET ASSESSED. WE HAVE FOLLOWED BOTH OF THESE PROCESSES AND WOULD ASK THAT YOU APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION. IT IMPACTED 39 PARCELS AND JUST UNDER $20,000.

Any comments on the resolution or questions?

I did have one question. Go ahead. There's an outlier under the code enforcement charges. I don't know if anybody else has seen it. It's on the last page, and I was kind of curious to why that would have occurred. Somebody's lawn obviously got cut twice, but the first time was almost three times the amount of the second. I just wanted to make sure that wasn't accurate.

I will be happy to look into that. Obviously, off the top of my head, I don't . I understand.

I just thought it seemed like it was a significant outlier from the others. So that's my only question.

Is this the one on Shetland Road?

Yes. It's the same address both times. So the second time was only 260. The first time being 660, it seemed.

I'll be happy to look into that. OK. I assumed it was just a larger lot, but you're right. It is the same address, same lot.

Have you noticed any patterns, widows, disabled vets, anyone with major concerns?

I will be quite honest. I will defer questions like that to Randy. He's the one who, it's his division that actually handles the assessment.

A lot of times, If you notice on the list, there's a lot of repeat offenders. And so we've noticed that a bulk of those are if they are owned by a third party and they're renting the place out or they're Airbnb-ing it out or something like that. It's a non-odor-occupied house is a lot of our complaints. Now there are some that, there are a few that are, you know, unable to mow the lawn themselves and haven't hired anybody. And we kind of go out, we attempt to work with people as much as we can. And we've reached out to some community group, Boy Scouts here or there, or church groups sometimes. But a lot of times the people don't want help. They just don't believe that they should mow it or something like that. We can only do so much. We do our best to try to not. It's a last resort is to go out and mow somebody's lawn or find them to do that. We're not in the grass mowing business.

Thank you, and thank you for trying to provide help as well and avenue to get that done. Thank you.

Randy, if I recall the policy correctly, the pricing changes based on the AMOUNT OF GRASS, THE TIME THE CONTRACTOR TAKES TO GET OUT THERE, IS THAT RIGHT?

GENERALLY OUR, AND I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THAT SPECIFIC INSTANT, BUT GENERALLY OUR ADMINISTRATION FEE IS FLAT.

I SEE THAT.

BUT THEN THE CONTRACT FEE IS BASED ON HOW MANY HOURS IT TAKES THEM TO MOW SOMETIMES OR IF IT NEEDS larger equipment like if it's weeds that are four feet tall you can't just simply go over that with a lawnmower they have to bring out specialty equipment so it's a lot of dependent on the bill we get from the contractor that we have understood thank you any other comments we have a motion yeah i moved 26-44.

Second. I have a motion and a second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? 2644 carries. All right. Next item, liquor license. We have a couple this evening.

Good evening. Good evening, Mr. Vice Mayor, members of council. So, yeah, we have two liquor permit transfer requests. The Ohio Department of Commerce Division of Liquor Control sent notification of a request for a liquor permit transfer from Red Robin America's Gourmet Burgers and Spirits at 2671 Fairfield Commons. to OP Burgers, Ohio, LLC. There were no personal history questionnaires included with the packet. Staff is recommending this application request move forward without comment.

Move to accept without comment.

Motion to second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed?

Motion carries. Okay, the second transfer we also received from the Ohio Department of Commerce, Division of Liquor Control notification of a request for a liquor permit transfer from Knollwood Tavern, 3833 Dayton Senior Road to Hawkamania, LLC. Required record checks were completed on one applicant, and staff does not have any objections to the permit request. Staff is recommending this application request move forward without comment.

We have a motion.

Motion to approve.

Second.

Without comment. We have a motion to approve without comment. It's been seconded. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. We have a couple of decision items here tonight. First one is an appointment to the Green Met Housing Authority. Debbie, get a summary for us. This is, I know, almost administrative to some degree.

In April, I spoke with Nancy Hadley about the dates of her appointment, and I reached out to Mr. Popp at Green Met Housing, and he has recently had one of his people, Ms. Huddleston, get a hold of the city manager, and she has given us the dates of what it should be. Green Met Housing Authority Board is not a city-run board. It's a county-run board. and it's their timeframes. And, um, we basically have a letter that the mayor will sign off on, uh, if it's approved and, um, we'll get these dates fixed up and, um, these appointments taken care of.

So this is just, if I understand correctly, um, our appointee in this case, Nancy Hadley, we're just, MAKING SURE THAT THE DATES LINE UP WITH THE TERM THAT SHE'S ACTUALLY SERVING. IS THAT CORRECT? AND STACY LEGGETT. THEY'RE BOTH... AND STACY LEGGETT, OKAY.

THEY'RE BOTH OUR... YEAH, OUR PEOPLE. AND, YEAH, WE'RE JUST CLEANING UP DATES. SHE SAID THAT THEY'VE HAD TO DO THIS WITH QUITE A FEW DIFFERENT MUNICIPALITIES THAT PEOPLE... YEAH, THEY'VE... A LOT HAVE BEEN OFF. SO WE'RE JUST... SHE'S TRYING TO CLEAN IT UP.

ALL RIGHT.

ANY COUNCIL COMMENTS? Again, as she said, it's not a board that we manage, but we do send a couple of appointees to it.

Are the appointees designated by them and then we just sign off on, okay, those are the individuals? Or how are these individuals being selected?

They let us know that this person has applied and we think that they would be a good fit.

Okay.

They give a recommendation.

And we just sign it off. I got you. That's what I thought.

Thank you. Okay, looking for a motion that there's no further comment.

motion to correct green metropolitan housing authority board terms and appointments for nancy hadley's terms to january 1st 2018 to december 31st 2022 and our current term january 1st 2023 to december 31st 2027 and stacy leggett's term dates of march 11th 2019 to december 31st 2020 and January 1st, 2021 to December 31st, 2025 with her current term of January 1st, 2026 to December 31st, 2030. Second.

We have a motion and a second. All in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries. The appointments stand. And next, Ohio Municipal League.

I have signed up you, Vice Mayor Upton, and Council Member Bales to attend the Ohio Municipal League Annual 2026 Conference. It's in Columbus from September 30th to October 2nd. The fee to attend for members all four days is $400, and I have got you both signed up.

Wonderful. I'm looking forward to it. This will be my first time attending the Ohio Municipal League. I have not had the opportunity in the past. I don't know if you have, Councilmember Bales.

I've been a couple of years, and it is enjoyable, and I always bring something back that we have benefited from as a community.

I look forward to learning and bringing some best practices back.

Motion to approve attendance.

May I pose a question? Mrs. Haynes, do you have a ballpark in terms of hotel cost?

$200 a night for two nights. Vice Mayor Upton is going to commute.

Sure. It's just in Columbus.

It's in Liberty Center. Yep. So it's not going to be a short commute.

As much as I travel for work, a couple nights at home with my wife and kids is better than not.

Thank you.

Move to approve attendance.

Second. Motion and a second for the Ohio Municipal League Conference. All in favor?

Aye.

Any opposed? Motion carries. Thank you all. Appreciate that. Okay. Come down to the citizen comments for this evening. So we allow anyone to come forward, speak on any topic that you like. It is your three minutes to talk. You may give us your opinions, your insights. We take the feedback, and we generally try to work with city staff. If there is, if it's a great idea, we'll take that. If it's not a great idea, we'll try to give you some feedback at another time. These are your three minutes. If you would, please give your name and address when you come up.

My name is Josh Eisen, 1463 South Longview Street, here in Beaver Creek, 45432. I've got a couple things to talk about tonight, so I'm going to bounce around. Bear with me. I attended the Popcorn Festival this week, and I know, as a city, we participate, this is led by volunteers. I thought they did a phenomenal job. I was largely... In the tax, the pro-income tax of the issue five booth, a lot of confusion about that topic. So I just wanted to kind of nail down some broad strokes here. Folks that don't have income, nor do they own property, this does not change or affect you in any large way. For folks that have no earned income per the ISR, IRS guidelines, but own property. These folks, like many retirees, my parents here in town, they're going to receive about a 10% property tax discount and nothing on the income tax side. We have a contingence of folks here in town that have income but don't own property. So these are folks like renters, and we are in fact asking them to chip in for the first time here in Beaver Creek. And then folks, we heard a lot of folks that have income and own property here in town. Many in excess of $200,000 in income, which would equate to about $2,000 in income. Seems reasonable. Everybody seemed pretty comfortable with the math and understood once we had it all laid out that it's not a big amount, that they're not going to be out of pocket for much expenses. But again, a great show. so let me change topics I nothing really more on the issue five other than as a citizen in this town I'm advocating for the betterment of this town except it's gonna cost me money I think it's a worthy purpose to vote yes on issue five I hadn't heard anybody in the last couple minutes speak on behalf of the why it's a good idea to widen Shaker Town Road. I volunteer quite a bit at John Ankeny Soccer Complex. We, particularly on the weekends, but even through the week, that whole complex of about 3,000 kids dumps out of there all at the same time, multiple times a day. Not only that, on the off hours, we're getting those kids in there. So we do everything we can in the park. It would really support what we do if we could get an extra lane in the Shaker Town Road. A lot of folks don't like going to the superstructure, the super street, so they would rather go Shaker Town. I actually have some time to be noted.

Jim Vaughn, 1888 Ridge Court. I donate my time to Josh Eisen.

Um, and again, there are about 48,000 people in this town. On behalf of the 47,980 folks that this doesn't interfact, it's not our yards, you know, I live off Dayton Xenia and had to deal with all that construction. It's all manageable. It's all doable. And at the end of the day, we love Dayton Xenia Road now. We can get through there no problem. Three lanes where I am, it's a blessing. But on behalf of the 47,980 of us, we appreciate what you're doing. We appreciate your looking forward and being smart with our tax dollars. I know a large portion of this was covered by Grant. That said, I did a Freedom of Information Request Act on a series of emails between the petitioners in the city. Not for nothing, but I appreciate the city's stance that they're not going to repair people's driveways or replace windows in their homes with city tax dollars. I really appreciate that. I can't believe in the course of these emails that these folks back here would request that. I was embarrassed. That's not my Beaver Creek. My Beaver Creek, however, is asking for some help. Our family's in the Parkwood School District, and we have a young fella over there suffering pediatric cancer. He's got a brain tumor, he's eight years old. He has had and suffered medical issues his entire life. His wife, or I'm sorry, his mother is a school bus driver. His father is a firefighter. I mean, are these not our people that we can take care of? Is this not what we should be putting our energy toward? This young man, Wyatt, Wyatt Ritchie, of the Beaver Creek school system, has had a series of traumas in his life. His family doesn't ask for much. There is a Facebook group called Wyatt's Fight. Take five minutes, check it out. His story, his bio's there, information on his family. I just found this out. There's been a series of groups doing different things for this young man, including most recently the Eager Beavers Football Club. I know Cardinal Hill has done things. Dayton has done things as well. Just a suggestion, Beaver Creek. He's got a proclamation from Dayton, I believe from his tie-in from his father. He's a Dayton firefighter. Also a 2025 recipient of the Special Wish Foundation, who went to Disney and SeaWorld, loved it. But yeah, anything we can do, neighbors, fellow citizens, Mr. Wyatt, over in Parkwood, They would really appreciate it. Thanks so much.

Thank you. Anyone else this evening? Welcome.

Vice mayor, city council. I'm here to call on the City Council and the Police Department to remove the ALPR. I'm sorry, I need to say my name and address. Jonathan Ullum, 2532 Greenside Drive. I'm here to call on the City Council and Police Department to remove all the flock cameras and ALPR cameras in general. I've been looking and so far the data that I've seen does not show that these Systems actually overall reduce crime or help solve significantly more cases. In Atlanta, they found 5,000 cameras didn't actually reduce their ability to close out cases. It comes across more as mass surveillance because it's mainly looking at innocent people. One city with a similar number of cameras had 230,000 scans a month and only arrested 80 people in one year in association with the camera data. There's also a significant amount of error rate with these systems, puts everyone at risk. 20 billion scans a month on flock, 1.4 billion of those are errors. And across 212 million drivers, that's a pretty significant error rate per person. There's also individuals being detained because of inaccuracies. And this kind of removes the argument that you have nothing to worry about if you haven't done anything wrong. It also raises concerns about privacy. The cameras are motion sensing, so they can take pictures through the front of people's cars. There's a lot of pictures out there showing that. And they also do the same job of tracking people that like GPS trackers and cell records do, but those require warrants to be able to pull those records. And recently geofence warrants, in the case of U.S. versus SACRI, was struck down, which a very similar use case to what these cameras do. And also generally concerned about misuse. I haven't seen that BCPD has misused their cameras, but there were in May 31,000 searches of other by external users and 650,000 searches overall for Beaver Creek's cameras. And recently flock was caught storing their data for five years and selling it to third parties despite their contract with Racine Wisconsin, I believe, saying that the data was deleted after 30 days. Pretty big contradiction there. And this was across multiple counties and cities. It wasn't just one place. Additionally, many cities are now prohibiting ALPRs based on FOX actions and before allowing any reinstallation or other brands, they want to see data showing that the cameras are actually effective at reducing crime and that there's protections against the companies misusing it. I do want to finally say I still support the police department and their desire to make Beaver Creek a good place to live. But I believe this goal can be accomplished with other technologies that do not have the substantial intrinsic issues that these cameras do. Thank you.

Thank you. Who would like to come up next?

Hello. Hello, Mr. Vice Mayor and city council members. My name is Linda Dunkel, and I'm a taxpaying resident of Beaver Creek, Ohio, residing at 3040 Shaker Town Road. I speak before you today in 100% opposition to the Shaker Town Road project ID number 119964. I want to readdress the loss of trees, 125 of them, that this project is potentially causing. Again, 125 trees in .65 miles, which is one tree every 27 feet. The removal of these 125 trees will, number one, create a huge water runoff problem of approximately 375,000 gallons of water per year. Number two, displacement of local wildlife. Number three, soil erosion and instability. Number four, loss of privacy. Number five, increased traffic noise. Number six, loss of aesthetics. Number seven, air quality reduction. Number nine, increased noise pollution. Number 10, increased safety hazards. So we would like to know, Mr. Vice Mayor and city council members, what are your answers? We need answers. Additionally, just to help you speed up your decision to cancel this Shaker Town Road project, be advised. Number one, we are in contact with a certified arborist who will be preparing a replacement cost quotation for the residents losing trees. We are in contact with the Beaver Creek TREE ADVISORY BOARD. AND NUMBER THREE, WE ARE IN CONTACT WITH THE OHIO DEPARTMENT OF NATURAL RESOURCES CONCERNING YOUR INTENTIONS OF REMOVING TREES WITH BATHOUSES, WHICH ARE FULLY PROTECTED UNDER OHIO ADMINISTRATIVE CODE 1501-31-15-03. AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME, AND WE ANXIOUSLY AWAIT YOUR DECISION TO CANCEL THIS ENTIRE PROJECT.

I'm Linda Turner. I live at 791 Fawcett Drive, Beaver Creek, Ohio, 45434. And I'm donating my minutes to Heather. Thank you.

Larry Hill, 658 Waverly Drive. I donate my time to Miss Heather. Thank you.

Heather Harvey, 3180 Shaker Town. This opposition group was formed with a primary goal to stop the Shaker Town road widening project. We collected updated data, facts, presented our case countless times, and yet here we are. It's now apparent that we must shift our focus. Our new mission is to prove to this city why each of you cannot and will not be trusted. You are pushing this income tax down our throats and have claimed that you will, quote, listen and that we will all have a say in how that money is used once it's in the general fund. You should probably know that the head of your Save the City campaign has been targeting us and has publicly stated that, quote, there's a difference between listening and not giving you what you want. That comment speaks for itself. It confirms exactly what we've been saying. This council cannot be trusted. This council has blatantly ignored public input and is proceeding with a project that has been proven to be a massive waste of taxpayers' money. Those who disagree with council are viewed as in the wrong. If you come forward with facts and challenge counsel, they will attempt to silence you. They will maliciously screen your calls. They will not inform you until the end of the calls that they had a present witness. They will make excuses for their behavior. They will circle talk. They will lie about conversations they had with you and even claim they never happened. They will claim they cannot use taxpayer money to remedy your driveway, even though you have evidence they've done it before. They will revoke your offer for your temporary right-of-way but still claim to need all 31 other properties. They will tell you that council voted to approve of revoking your temporary right-of-way. They will make changes to the current project that will cost them more in the long run than simply paying you for your temporary right-of-way, all while stating they are trying to cut costs. They will ignore the consultants who stated, quote, the contractor will not love being constrained like that, and quote, it is not the ideal solution since the runoff traveling along the four-slope would be on private property. They will disregard all of that despite the fact that they promised you drainage mitigation on your property. They will completely eliminate the swell they promised you just so that they can get out of paying you for a temporary right-of-way. For the record, hiding the presence of a witness or stonewalling public inquiry violates the spirit of transparent local governance. Singling out a lone vocal opponent while altering design parameters to bypass their consent looks like administrative retaliation. Using fraudulent or manipulated safety data to score points on an ODOT MVRPC application result in compromised federal approval. NEPA requires public input during the early planning and environmental assessment phases, not after the project is finalized and funded. Collecting that input two years later is grounds for procedural noncompliance. I'd like to know why Councilwoman Bills and the Mayor have not properly recused themselves from discussions involving this specific project. seeing as how they both attend a church that's directly impacted. In previous meetings, you, Vice Mayor, have recused yourself with the Eagle Point project because you have a family member that lived there. A city council member must recuse themselves when a personal, financial, or biased interest conflicts with their official duties. Today, I'm publicly disclosing this conflict as it creates an unacceptable appearance of bias. The mayor is listed as an elder at the Beaver Creek Christian Church, and Sarah Bills is listed to be involved in several programs at the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. During the last meeting, several of you made comments. I'd like to break those down. Councilman Littoral, you mentioned this project was a planning goal with the city before you were elected. Does that mean you have no say? Does that mean you can't vote against it? You mentioned this project being anomaly and not taking a lot of private people's private property. But you neglected to mention that 125 mature trees will be lost, almost all of which are located outside of the right-of-way. You mentioned having conversations with the head of MVRPC and ODOT regarding the sidewalk width. I'd like to publicly request copies of those conversations. You mentioned that sometimes we hear things we want to hear. This was in response to my comments about the city not being able to afford Mr. Weikaiser's land. I suppose this is something you should address with the engineers because this came straight from Mr. Weikaiser himself. He said there were significant back and forth about the purchasing of his land. You mentioned driving on a different section of Shaker Town and how those who pulled into the center turn lane allowed for safer traffic. So the fact that you weren't forced to slow down and wait your turn to move forward equals safer traffic? Sounds like you're an impatient driver. Applying your brakes when someone needs to turn is a normal part of driving. Nothing about not having to slow down automatically equals safer driving, unless, of course, you aren't paying attention. You said this project was an improvement on stormwater. On the contrary, removing 125 trees will create increased stormwater issues. You were offended when people got up and left during your comments. excuse us for not listening one more second of the blatant disrespect you twisted our words and said that some of us said there were no accidents while others said that they had cars in their front yards how many more times do we have to tell you that this grant was submitted for and justified justified by claiming that rear-end accidents were a problem for the last time there were no rear-end accidents we've mentioned cars in our front yards because those are the issues that we've had moving the road closer will result in those cars being in our home not in our yard in our home You said that you approved this project last year. That's a lie. You approved this project prior to the grant application in 2023. Also, I'd like to add to this that I find it funny that you made such a big stink about the tree lawn space earlier, yet you've never bothered to say that our two-foot tree lawn in Shaker Town bothers you. Councilman Door, for some reason you felt obligated to tell us that you were a neighbor, a human being, and you meant us no harm. Perhaps our comments moved you to say such a thing. You said it was important to plan ahead and upkeep the city. Funny, because our road hasn't been repaved in the 10 years I've lived there, and it's way overdue. The only way you can actually afford to do that is with a grant. You referenced several other roads in the cities and said they were similar since they were also listed on the thoroughfare plan. None of those roads can be compared to ours. None of them used to connect to a highway. None of them had drastic reduction in traffic. So that statement was a complete waste. You mentioned that Shaker Town had already been improved to the east and the west. You said imagine driving through and seeing improvements in one area and not in the other. With all due respect, sir, nobody cares about that but you. You could have used the $1 million plus of city levy money you've already invested in this project to repave, construct curbs, and put in a single regular width sidewalk. But that wasn't good enough. You said you had spent a significant amount of time researching the topic of property devaluation, and the best you found was the answer was no. My neighbor will be reading you facts to prove the answer to that is yes. You've also mentioned that you didn't know what happens if you turn the money back. We've been over this. You said that you don't know what happens down the line. I guess it's too hard for all of you to ask such a hard question. Have no fear. I took care of that. I've confirmed that the only penalty is a five-point reduction on all grant application for one year's time. That's it. Stop acting like it's anything more than that. Stop playing the victim. And Councilwoman Bills, you laughed when you admitted I was speaking about you in the public humiliation event. Do you think this is a joke? Do you think it's a joke that a failed mayoral candidate is contacting us, sending us Facebook requests, being extremely passive aggressive, threatening us over making it known that you behave so poorly in public? Is this how you all conduct business behind closed doors? Do you say things and hope that the public won't find out? This is disgusting. You open your comments by stating that you sent your kids out to walk to church and that they cross at COI. You also stated that Shaker Town is extremely dangerous, that you wouldn't walk across Shaker Town as an adult and you would never let kids out there either because it's, quote, scary. So which is it? You allow your kids to cross at Coy or Shaker Town is too scary? Because those statements were made one after another and very contradictory. You mentioned that you don't like to go around bicyclists, but guess what? Most of these e-bikes and e-scooters won't even be allowed to be on the path or the sidewalk that's on this project. So guess what? You're still going to have to go around them. So you tell me, what problem are we solving here? On that note, since you mentioned that such a large church presence is in your neighborhood, Perhaps that crosswalk should be moved down to Coy to better accommodate all of you in the church. You mentioned that you didn't yell over us when we spoke. However, there are several instances where the mayor has interrupted our time at the podium, so it's only fair for you guys to interrupt us and not the other way around. Got it. You mentioned that you would be happy to sit down with any of us. Have you followed through with that? We've made countless attempts to open a dialogue with all of you, and all we get is, quote, please email us your concerns, or we will no longer meet with you to discuss these issues. you nonchalantly mentioned that you could have all made mistakes like a road count or a steak being in the wrong place followed by we're all human but these mistakes matter the fact that you can sit there and speak so lightly of them speaks volumes as to how much you really care about our efforts it all adds up one mistake turns into a big mistake when it's not properly addressed one lie that swept under the rug turns into a giant cover-up and one group that cannot accept responsibility for misuse of public funds points to failure of the entire system it's no wonder i'm being silenced you don't want anyone to hear the truth The mayor's not here, so I'll skip his part. I'll email it to him. In closing, I encourage each of you to choose your words wisely. This project has set the tone for your future. There's a reason why you haven't dealt with this much pushback before now. Those before us felt completely disregarded and unheard. They stopped showing up because you made it clear their efforts were worthless. That stops now. We will not allow you to bully us, intimidate us, or silence us. I still have 30 seconds, so here's the mayor's part. I said, the mayor mentioned the 1600 home development going in at the Trayvine Overpass. You proclaimed it would definitely increase traffic on Shaker Town. Why on earth would anybody be going down Shaker Town? There's no businesses on this road. Instead, those people will utilize Factory Road for access to Indian Ripple and 675. They will cross the lovely overpass you put out there to access the city and everything else. That area isn't even zoned for our schools in that area. They can hop right on 35 to go anywhere. This is a completely false statement and not something that should be used to justify widening Shaker Town Road.

Good evening.

I live at 3140 Chickatown Road, and I'm reading this on behalf of Heather. And this is a response to Councilman Durr's statement during the last meeting. He claimed our property value would not decrease. From one scholar to another, here are the facts that I've found. While generic macro-level real estate statistics often cite that public trails boost neighborhood home values, Those studies typically evaluate urban or suburban master plan networks. In a rural setting, a forced project that strips privacy, removes substantial natural features, and pushes public traffic into what used to be a private front yard creates a distinct financial loss known in eminent donating law as severance damages. These physical changes heavily damage the market value of the remaining property. There is loss of usable front yard. and curb appeal. It brings the public closer to our front doors. We have a reduced physical setback. It makes homes feel less private and more exposed to the road. Removing mature trees can significantly harm a home's aesthetic and marketability. A shared use path introduces foot, bike, and electric scooter traffic directly into our properties. A public trail in our front yard will deter buyers who Prioritize privacy or quiet. This shrinks the buyer pool and forces a price discount. Homes that are already close to the street and lose eight foot of yard to a public path will likely devalue the property, a severe loss of privacy and quiet environment. Losing 125 mature trees outside of the right-of-way is a catastrophic blow to the area's value. In a rural setting, mature trees provide crucial Privacy, visual appeal, wind breaks, and sound barriers against traffic. Buyers look at rural properties for seclusion. A shared use path shatters that privacy and transition front yards from a private rural retreat. This shared use path health comprises property security and increases noise levels. They also come with significant labor and liability burdens. No, unimpeded driving does not equal safer driving. While the absence of traffic, construction, or pedestrians can reduce certain types of friction, it frequently introduces distinct and severe safety hazards. Why unimpeded driving can increase risk. Higher speeds, open or empty roads naturally encourage drivers to travel at much higher speeds. High-speed collisions are far more likely to result in severe injuries or fatalities due to exponential increase. I have already experienced this myself at right in front of Fairbrook School. A couple days after that was finished, I was going 37, going up towards the school. A woman passed me on the left, no idea if I was going to actually turn into Fairbrook, and went up and on up to Indian Ripple. She turned right. I had to go 60 miles an hour to catch up with her. My point is that aggressive drivers will use that middle lane. And they will use it to pass at Coy. Being on the front of that road right there, I see everyone slow down to turn onto Coy much more than anything else. There's a lot of traffic in and out of Coy. And so everyone slows down. And that right there, there's going to be wrecks right there on that blind hill. Thank you.

I've seen some late additions to the audience. I know you're here to speak. Come forward, please.

Good evening. Bob Trout, 2187 Bassett Court. This is going to be a little bit different perspective, but it does have to deal with the Shaker Town Road. And I'm asking each of you, if you are a Christian, to understand that sometimes the Lord gives information to individuals and they couch it as they understand it. But I ask for discernment from each of you to take a look at it. There has never been as much discussion and aggravation on this project ever. And if you don't take the time to sit down there and evaluate, then I can assure you the Lord will definitely take the necessary steps, okay? He will make it hard. He will make equipment break. He will do everything in his power that he has available to deter this project from going forward because he sees exactly what's going to happen in the future. We do not. So please, I implore you to listen to what these people are saying. It is definitely not wanted, not needed. MISREPRESENTED TO HIGHER UPS OUTSIDE THE STATE AND FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AND WE SHOULD NOT PROCEED WITH THAT. AND EACH OF YOU TOOK A LITTLE BIT OF A PEAK TODAY FROM THE SPEAKERS, AND PLEASE TAKE THAT TO HEART. THE LAST THING I HAVE TO SAY, ONE OF MY CITIZENS IN THE STATE MADE A COMMENT TO that 480 X thousand people felt the same way he did. I'm here to say that I do not. I am concerned with this project. I am concerned with the information that is going forward. And we, as your constituents, have come forward and voiced our displeasure. That's all I've got to say. Thank you.

HELLO.

MY NAME IS BILL KELLER. I LIVE AT 3140 SHAKERTOWN ROAD. I ALSO HAVE A CONDOMINIUM ON 3159 SYMAR. I HAVE ANOTHER HOME ON 743 TIMBERWOOD. I HAVE 3397 AND 3395 DAYTON ZENE ROAD OF BUSINESS. I HAVE ANOTHER 10-ACRE FARM, 2200 INDIAN RIPPLE ROAD. SO I HAVE A DOG IN THIS FIGHT OF ALL THIS. I've lived in this community for 68 years. I've also operated a business here for 56 years. Beaver Cakes has been my home, my livelihood, and my community for most of my life. I'm here tonight because of the Shaker Town Road project, but I'm really here because of what the project represents to me and I believe to many of the original residents of this community. I want to say something that's difficult for me to say. I'm sorry that I voted for the many of you that are sitting up here tonight. I trusted you to represent the people who live, work, own property, and pay taxes in this community. I believe that when major decisions were made, you would listen carefully to the people who would actually have to live with these consequences. Instead, it increasingly feels to me like the decisions being made are designed for the future residents and future development of Beaver Creek, while the people who have been here for generations are expected to simply get out of the way. It feels like the plan to... urbanize what has always been a more rural community and to wait for original residents to either become so frustrated that we finally sell and leave or simply pass away. So the next generation have the community that you want to build. That is very painful thing for someone like me to say after 68 years here. For 56 years, I have invested my time, money and life in this community. I've paid taxes, operated a business, employed people, supported local businesses, watched people change generation after generation. And now I'm considering selling my property, closing a chapter of my business, and moving out of this county that serves. That is not something I ever thought I would say. After 68 years here, I've never expected that I would feel like leaving, but that's my best option. I understand that cities have to grow, understand that roads have to be improved, and that difficult decisions have to be made. But growth should not come to the expense of the people who built this community and spent decades contributing to it. progress should not mean that the history property businesses and wishes of longtime residents are treated as something that simply has to be sacrificed for the next development project so tonight i want you to understand that this is more than a disagreement about the road project for me it's about trust it's about whether elected officials remember who put them in office and who are supposed to represent It's about whether the people who have been here for the longest have a place in the future of Beaver Creek, or whether we are simply being asked to move aside so the future citizens can have the community they want. If that is the direction Beaver Creek is going, then perhaps I no longer have a place here. And that is incredibly sad for someone who has spent 68 years calling this home. I hope you will seriously reconsider the impact of Shaker Down Road on the people directly affected, because if long-time residents who have spent 68 years here and built a 58-base here are ready to sell everything to leave, I think they should get some attention. I don't want to leave Beaver Creek, but I also don't want to spend the rest of my life watching a community I knew and loved disappear while the people who built it are further and further aside.

Hello, Mr. Vice mayor. Um, so the council members, my name is Gary Dunkel. I am a taxpaying Beaver Creek resident living at 3040 Shaker town road. I speak before you today in 100% opposition to the Shaker town road project ID number 1 1 9 9 6 4. Uh, first of all, I provided Debbie Haynes earlier in the meeting a copy of the MVR PC funding application that they gave each of you at the last, the most recent city council meeting on Monday, 8-24-26. I highlighted again for Debbie's copy, the six statements that were made by your engineers on this application that were all in error. None of that's been addressed with the public yet. There are six statements in error by your engineering department. Nobody's ever fixed them. So I want answers on that for us, the public, to consider. Debbie has a copy. She can distribute it to you. But we need responses. Again, you've all been elected in position to provide answers to us as citizens, so let's do it. Number two, another issue I want to talk about is our Mayor, Don Adams. and his failure to recuse himself from the Shaker town road project ID 1, 1, 9, 9, 6, 4. Um, due to his involvement as an elder at Beaver Creek Christian church, uh, at 3 0 0 9 Shaker town road, which is in fact in the aforementioned project boundaries. Um, it seems that our mayor became an elder at this church, um, in 2012, 2013 and serve for 11 years. as an elder until like 2023 2024. Um, my knowledge is that he came on to city council like in 2020 served as a vice mayor and then as a mayor beginning in 2024 most of that time why he was still an elder at Beaver Creek Christian Church. Um, so that's kind of a conflict of interest. Um, clearly, um, Mr. Adams, along with you, Vice Mayor Upton, as well as the city council members, were in deep involvement with his Shaker Town Road project from back in 2019 with the Beaver Creek thoroughfare plan. And it's been going on since then. And he was, again, an elder at the church as well as a council member slash vice mayor. That's a conflict of interest. But he never recused himself from these discussions, even though this conflict of interest existed. So I just, you know, I guess the facts are seemingly, number one, he had a fiduciary role as an elder, and Ohio law views that as having a business relationship with the organization.

Joe Villani, 710, Carlsbrook Drive, Beaver Creek.

I'm going to name mine.

Thanks, John.

Thanks. So again, let me repeat that. So number one, he had a fiduciary role as an elder, and Ohio law views this as having a business relationship with the organization. That is Beaver Creek Christian Church. Thus, he should have recused himself from this Shaker Town Road project from day one. Did he do it? Anybody? The answer is no. Number two, if the city's actions resulted in a direct property valuation change, any official acting as a leader both for the church and the city faces a conflict of interest. So he should have, again, refused himself from day one from the Shaker Town Road project. Did he do that? Anybody? No, he didn't. Number three, public officials often choose to recuse themselves from the fiduciary conflict like vice mayor Upton did, um, to avoid the appearance of impropriety, uh, which does, which this, this issue approaches. Um, thus he should have recused himself from day one from this project. Did he do it? No, I don't think so either. So, um, I think we have a real potential problem on our hands here. Mr. Adams should have, again, he's breached the trust that we as Beaver Creek residents have entrusted in him as our mayor. So my solution is simple. You all, even though he's not here tonight, you, Mr. Vice Mayor, as well as the rest of you city council members, you need to hold a specific vote following this meeting, or prior to the end of this meeting, AND THAT WILL CANCEL THIS SHAKERTOWN ROAD PROJECT AND WE CAN ALL MOVE FORWARD HAPPILY THEREAFTER. AND IF YOU DO THAT, OKAY, I'M GOING TO CLOSE THE CONVERSATION THAT I'M CURRENTLY HAVING WITH THE OHIO ETHICS COMMITTEE ABOUT THIS WHOLE ACTIVITY BECAUSE IT'S WRONG. IT'S A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. HE'S WRONG. THIS COUNCIL IS WRONG. And the Ohio Ethics Commission is pretty interested in hearing more about it. So that's the answer I'm going to leave with you all, or the solution I'm going to leave with you all. You guys need to have a vote tonight. You need to cancel this project. I'll cancel my conversation with the Ohio Ethics Commission, and we can all move forward happily. Questions for me? Lastly, before I walk away, I would ask you, Vice Mayor, as well as the rest of you, City Council, that you need to have your engineers and their departments completing jobs that are at hand instead of quit adding new jobs and new jobs and new jobs to them. Case in point, this Factory Road project over there, supposed to be done in June of this year. Now it's late September this year. Three months behind schedule.

Mr. Conklin, you have someone else that can donate sometime? No, I don't. I'm done. Thank you for your time.

And again, I hope to see this vote before this meeting is over tonight so I can get away from this whole half commission. Thank you. Hi, I'm Doug Campbell. I reside at 712 Kings Row Avenue, Centerville, Ohio, 45429.

And I'm going to donate my time to Kelly Campbell.

That's my dad. Good evening. My name's Kelly Campbell, 4229 Ridgecliff Drive, not Shaker Town. I spent a lot of time thinking about what to say tonight. i've already made many of the arguments that i wanted to make about shaker town road so tonight i don't want to give you another list of reasons why i oppose the project i want to tell you what this process has taught me about what it means to be a constituent in beaver creek because i haven't given up on this project but i have lost faith in the process and i think there's an important distinction between those two things i'm not saying that because council disagrees with me i understand that elected officials aren't always going to agree with their constituents But I've increasingly come to question whether anything residents say can actually change the outcome. And I think your own words and actions are what have brought me to that conclusion. We've been told that if we have concerns, we need evidence. So we brought data. We questioned the assumptions behind the project. We raised concerns about property impacts. And at one point, residents were essentially told that we needed to produce a peer-reviewed study to demonstrate that the project could potentially affect property values. Okay, but then I have a question for the city. What analysis have you guys done to demonstrate the opposite? If you're asking homeowners to prove that putting a significantly wider roadway, a shared use path, and moving the street closer to their homes could affect their property values, what evidence did the city obtain to determine that it won't? Because saying, well, we're not taking your property doesn't answer that question. Ownership and value are not the same thing. A homeowner can keep every square foot of their property and still have a property that is less desirable, potentially worth less, because of what has been built immediately around it. So if the city has done that analysis for each of the homes, show us. If it hasn't, then I don't think it's unreasonable to ask why the burden of proof is being placed entirely on the residents who are being affected. And we've heard similar things when we've questioned the center turn lane. One council member told us a personal story about how convenient a center turn lane had been to him on another part of Shaker Town. I don't dispute his experience, but that's an anecdote. It doesn't tell us what specific problem exists on this section of Shaker Town. that requires a center turn lane. Another council member shared a story about having to, I think, something along those lines of swinging their vehicle across traffic to stop cars because children were trying to cross the road. I understand what that story was intended to illustrate, but I have to ask, if children are already having difficulty crossing the road safely, how does adding another lane of traffic solve that problem? seems to me that it could actually create another conflict point and again that's exactly why we've been asking for the engineering and safety analysis not another anecdote not what happened somewhere else what does the analysis say about this specific road this specific location this specific design under these specific circumstances and council member literal you made the point that the people who live on shaker town aren't the only people who use shaker town you're right I don't live on Shaker Town either. I am one of the other constituents who uses that road and I'm standing here telling you that I oppose this project. And I'm not the only person who doesn't live on Shaker Town who's speaking up. So when you say you're considering everyone who uses this road, I think it's important to recognize that some of those people are standing at this microphone telling you that they don't want this project either. That's what brings me to the larger issue. At this point, you've made your position pretty clear. You've heard months of opposition. You've heard residents raise questions. And yet the project continues to move forward. Is there anything residents can do or say or present that would change your mind? Because I think that this brings on something that goes beyond Shaker Town. And it matters to me because residents have very few direct levers over their local government. We can elect council members and we can vote them out. But that only happens every four years. And for now, residents also have the ability to vote directly on certain levies. If those levies are eliminated and that revenue instead becomes part of the general fund via income tax, residents give up another direct opportunity to say yes or no to that particular taxation. When levies income tax proposals or re-elections on the line, the promise is always, we will represent you, we'll listen, trust us. We have to trust that the people making those decisions will actually listen to us. We have to trust that when residents bring information you hadn't considered, that you'll reconsider. We have to trust that when there's overwhelming opposition, you'll at least stop and ask whether you're missing something. The magnitude of this opposition should itself be information. This is how residents lose faith in their government. They lose faith when they stop believing that anything that they say can make a difference. When you tell us to provide evidence and then the burden is put back on us to prove the city's conclusions wrong. When you tell us that we are not the only people who use the road while other people who use that road are standing here also. When you tell us you're listening while months of opposition don't appear capable of changing the course you've already chosen, that's how people lose trust. And once that trust is gone, it's difficult to get back. If you want residents to trust you with greater discretion over tax dollars over our roads over decisions that affect our communities for decades, you have to give us a reason to believe believe that you will actually listen to us right now. I've lost that confidence. I think a number of other voters have as well, and I also will take issue with the mischaracterization that $2000 in income tax is not that much.

Thank you.

Good evening. Hey, Jim Sansobrino, 1603 Countryside. I've come to address the idiotic and asinine comment made last session where Councilman Dewar said that we can't take a realtor's opinion of price into consideration. Those are professionals in the industry. They are specifically trained to understand what people want in their homes and what they don't want. People don't want to live next to the street. They want some buffer zone there. Not listening to those professionals will be the same as expecting your mechanic to write a peer reviewed paper as to why you should get your oil changed every 3,000 miles. Or send your kids out to play in a tornado watch because they haven't submitted a white paper. Or your plumber says you have a leak and expecting an economist to weigh in on what's going on. It's ridiculous, asinine buffoonery. Thank you.

WELCOME.

HI. GOOD EVENING.

ALL RIGHT.

HERE WE ARE. LISA NEIBERT. OKAY. MY NAME IS NEW DAN. I WOULD LIKE 3170 SHAKERTOWN ROAD. I WOULD LIKE TO DONATE MY TIME TO THE LADIES.

HI THERE.

GOOD NIGHT, EVERYONE. LISA NEIBERT, 2970 SHAKERTOWN ROAD. Apologies, I did miss half the meeting. My question tonight and what I want to talk about is why are we here? We the residents on this section of Shaker Town Road, we're here because somewhere along the line, the city developers, managers, engineers, they proposed, designed, and planned a major improvement to our section of this road. We were made aware of it much later than we had an opportunity to have any say about it. We also have come together to unanimously decide and say that we don't feel this is the best use of the improvement for our street. We're all in agreement there is a need for improvement. This particular one is not it. So why are we actually here tonight at your council meeting where we've been at your bimonthly meetings week after week? We're here at this meeting because you, our elected officials that make up the city council, from my understanding, are here to represent the public interest. Feel free later to educate me if I'm wrong. But I did look into this quite thoroughly this afternoon and everything I could find about what are the responsibilities of the City Council. You pass legislation, budget finance, you review land use zoning. Every single one I found says, constituent services to respond to residents' questions, listen to community concerns, and represent the public interest. I searched through all of our records, I searched the state of Ohio, and so on. Again, listing concerns, acting as a bridge between the public and city hall by answering phone calls, emails, and complaints from people in their district. I note that particularly because I know that some of our phone calls, emails, and complaints are no longer being responded to as this has progressed. Elected officials like city council members, are the primary local leaders responsible for representing, advocating and speaking on behalf of residents. That's why we're here. We need you to go back to the other parts of government and address our concerns. You're not the developers planners. You're not people saying where this road is going to be in 50 years or what's coming into it. You're here for an elected point of time. And while you're here, your, from what I see, responsibility is to act on the behalf of us residents. Now that we are aware of some things, we did learn about this later than what I think we're being told is our no-build timeframe, because it happened in 23, we learned about it in 25, and now here we are almost to 27. This thing looks to be going forward. However, now that we've been educated on what's going on, we've taken the time to look into your major things you guys are planning on doing in the next five years. So the 26 to 2030 street widening improvement, all that stuff that's going on. I don't like what I see there either. And I'm going to make sure, and as we have united as a group, we're going to make sure that people all along this area of our beautiful city that we love are going to be made aware in time to speak up on their behalf before these 26, 27, 28, 29, and 30 projects get this far. Thank you.

Make sure I get my story straight first, of course. All right, good evening. My name is Austin Hensley, and I'm living at 2449 Cold Springs Drive. I'm a Beaver Creek resident, and I'm the guy that's behind the Vote No campaign opposing the proposed municipal income tax in 2020 and 2022 and now 2026. Up until now, I've kept my presence primarily online, but I feel the need to deliver this message in person. To be clear, I believe that the majority of this message is going to be directed towards council as an institution rather than council members personally. So, as we go through this, I'll endeavor to speak clearly and slowly. I hope everyone in the room is paying close attention. I have two simple demands tonight. Number one, withdraw the proposed income tax from the November ballot immediately. I understand that at this point it may no longer be legally possible since the Green County Board of Elections has already certified it. But I'm asking you to do it anyway. This means publicly denouncing the income tax and withdrawing all political support for it. Because this is now the sixth time that Beaver Creek voters have been asked to approve substantially the same income tax. Number two, immediately cancel the Shaker Town Road project. as all of these residents have repeatedly demanded. These residents keep saying we don't want the project. We don't care if this means we're going to lose MVR PC money. I want to be very clear about something to council compliance with a democratic mandate of the people is not optional. Compliance is mandatory. Anything short of full compliance is council saying we hear you and we simply don't care. Specifically regarding the income tax, if voters reject the proposal once, that's an exercise in democracy. I believe that any government agency has the fair right to bring this income tax or any other tax up a second time if there is a messaging issue or timing issue. However, when it is rejected a second time, that is now a democratic mandate of the people. If you bring back substantially the same proposal a third time, this behavior is now considered willful and malicious. In Beaver Creek, we're now at attempt number six on this income tax. So if it's not malicious, what word can we use to describe this behavior? So I'm going to make something very clear tonight. If council chooses to ignore these two demands, again, first to withdraw the income tax, and second to cancel the Shaker Town Road project, I will no longer spend my time simply campaigning against the next attempt. I will go on offense. I will collect the 1306 signatures needed to amend the Beaver Creek City Charter to prohibit the collection of income tax under any circumstances. This is because council's behavior in trying to make us litigate the exact same tax issue six times is akin to an infant.

I might need some more time.

Thank you very much. Ed Maloof, 4128 Nettleton Point, Viva Creek. I donate my time.

He's not my dad, but he's a friend. Does that count?

That's the shortest speech I've ever heard him give.

So I'll back up slightly. Again, counsel's behavior in trying to make us litigate the exact same issue six times is akin to an infant throwing a fussy, angry tantrum while they kick and they scream and they reach for every tax lever within range. Now, when an infant is throwing a tantrum, sometimes the loving thing for a parent to do is just to swaddle that baby. Not because the parent hates the child, but because the child is upset. The child does not know what is best for itself in that moment, and that child needs to have its ability to flail around temporarily restrained. So I'm going to deliberately call this swaddling city council. Not trying to hurt council, not trying to prevent council from governing, and I'm certainly not trying to prevent the city from ever raising taxes if the people genuinely want to. I'm talking about putting a reasonable restraint around one particular lever so the council can't keep reaching for it every single time the voters say no. We love you. But these two issues, with these two issues, you guys are clearly having a moment, so we're gonna have to put some guardrails around you until you all calm down. Yep, I'm gonna give you an opportunity to end this voluntarily. Again, you can withdraw the tax, cancel the Shaker Town Road project, Unfortunately, I don't really expect you guys to do that because of the pattern of ignoring the constituents. So, by the way, I've already started the petition. Thank you.

Thank you, Mr. Vice Mayor and the council. My name is Sarah and I reside at 3349 Cross Creek Court, Beaver Creek, Ohio. I do not intend to distract from the greater Shaker Town Road issue here, but I would like to briefly revisit the issue brought up earlier by the gentleman about the flock cameras. I urge the council and the police department to disband their contracts with the company and all of our license plate readers. I have heard very, very frequently among my friends in discussion that they don't like the flock campus. There is widespread online information available about the potential abuses of the system and i know personally an individual who has experienced a bad relationship and ended in divorce with a police officer and unfortunately that was not a good situation she has expressed concern that he would be able to without a warrant tap into the flock system and be able to harm she and her family concerning thing some of my friends have brought up is that I've heard rumors that on Halloween there will be a motion to tear down the flock cameras and as a law-abiding citizen I think there should be the proper ways to go about this I don't think it should be vigilante action so I'm just here saying that if this issue does not get resolved in the correct manner I just want to make you aware there may have to be No, no, no, no, no. I don't want that to happen. So I'm saying I would prefer that we resolve this very quickly so that that doesn't happen. Thank you.

Welcome.

I do not live on Shaker Town Road. So I'm not going to talk about that. I'm trying to understand a few things. My name is Dennis Wiseman. I live at, excuse me?

Yeah, I'm just kidding.

Dennis Wiseman, 3721 Red Oak Court. So I've worked as a business analyst for the majority of my career. So what I've learned from that is a lot of times what you have to do is kind of go deeper, look for things that have just been taken for granted. So I'm going to ask you a couple questions, and this is all regarding this tax levy. So how many of the synthetic modeling analysis do you think that Miami University has done on a city without an income tax? The answer is zero. This is their first attempt. Try to answer this. How much of the revenue is expected from businesses net gain income taxes? Nobody knows. That number is not published anywhere. How many work from home workers are not paying tax but live in the city? Again, nobody has that number. Everybody's guessing at this. How many 1099 workers are there? Contractors, Uber drivers, delivery drivers, 1099 employees. I will say there's a lot. Those are important things to know in trying to understand what this levy is all about. And my million dollar question is, What will you do if the levy passes, but the revenue turns out to be significantly less than predicted? I had somebody running. I was at the booth Sunday. That might have been yesterday. I asked that specific question. The second person in charge of that crowd is what I understood this person to be. And she said, I have no idea. And I'm going to ask all of you. I think the same answer is going to be we have no idea. You've cut the levies. You've added the tax. That revenue is not there. You have no fallback. So my concerns are that This isn't baked yet. We keep trying this. We keep trying it. One of the problems was with some of the previous leadership, they put together numbers that were just totally false. And so we've tried to put that in front of the voters. So they've lost a lot of confidence over time. I don't oppose it, but I'm certainly not going to vote for this version of it, that's for sure. Thank you.

else here this evening like to speak come up hi my name is john harden i live at 1183 catherine drive in beaver creek um i honestly didn't plan on coming and saying anything so i'll be pretty brief i uh I, even though I don't live on Shaker Town, you know, the reason that I've heard enough about it and I know that it's something I would be against, I really, really want to speak about the income tax more than anything else. From what I understand, it's happened over and over and over. I'll just kind of tell you a little bit about who I am. I'm just the average citizen. I don't own a big, huge business in town. I can't make some sort of, and I'm not going to try to be malicious or mean or say anything nasty to try to tear people down who have said things. But I did do the math. I do everything I can. to legally claim as little income as I can, and I take great pride in that. I love learning the law on that. It's wonderful. Even with the income I claim, my household is going to be paying more income, and I live in an average house in Beaver Creek, pretty close to the average at-home value in Beaver Creek. I'm going to be paying more in income tax than I'm going to be saving in property tax. This is a net loss for me. despite the fact that I'm very certain I claim less income than the average Beaver Creek resident, which I'm very, very proud of. Anyway. I say that I'm not the kind of guy who's kind of, who lots of times when I'm going down the ballot, I leave things blank because I genuinely don't think it matters who wins in some cases. And in this case, I'm somewhat convinced that, you know, I have no power here. You know, most of us have no power. If you all decide to do something, we just have to live with it. So I believe my secret to happiness is keeping my expectations low, making sure that I can handle whatever's thrown at me. If I am expected to pay a 1% tax, yeah, I have a pretty mobile business. I can do what I need to do. I've talked to people who have multi-million dollar businesses in Beaver Creek who have made it clear they plan on moving their businesses, their buildings, if need be, to another city. And I'm sure they're not the only ones. Um, there's also things that I would like to do. I would love if I'm expected to pay an extra income tax, I would love to take action to sign the petition to abolish Ohio property tax. I'd love to vote with my feet. There's things I can do and I believe a lot of other people can do those too. And I don't know if that's being factored into these decisions. Um, I don't need the income tax to pass or fail. I don't, I don't think most people here do. But I do think there will be a consequence. And that's not a threat. It's just a fact. And I just wanted to bring that up. Thank you.

Anyone else? Okay. With that, we will close the citizen time. I appreciate everyone. That did come forward to speak. If you didn't, please make sure you sign in so we get names and addresses. I know Ms. Haynes got several as you spoke, but phone numbers will be nice as well. Potentially we can try to get back to you. Ms. Haynes, you got a couple of documents that you received from, you can make some copies and send those out digitally. I appreciate that. Okay. All right, council time. I know we were all very busy with Popcorn Festival recently, but I look forward to hearing what everyone's been up to recently. Anyone like to jump in first?

Please.

I enjoyed the Popcorn Festival a lot. Thank you, Vice Mayor. It was good to see a large crowd yesterday and an opportunity to talk to a lot of people and a lot of different viewpoints on a lot of our projects that we had at the city booth. So I thought it was a good event. I don't know if the city manager's gonna cover this, but I'm gonna cover it because we heard a lot about the income tax and the necessity for the non-need for whatever. Tomorrow night at six o'clock at the senior center, we're doing a financial town hall, a financial discussion about how the city funds its operations and so on and so forth. So I would urge all of you to come understand because there's a lot of information it's hard to wrap your head around it by reading social media by reading our website so tomorrow the city is going to put that on and it does a really nice job we did it we've done it in the last couple of years and I would just encourage you to come I'm gonna be there every year I go. I learn more and more about city finances and it's just something to, I think everybody would gain some knowledge about. So that's all I'll say about that. The other thing that I will, I do wanna thank everyone for speaking tonight. We got an email today that clarified, trees and bushes inside and outside of the right of way on shaker town road so because i know that at one point in time it was the 125 number was being kicked around and so forth so i just thought i'd clarify that and not that it's going to sway anybody one way or the other but it is a factual number based on the information I got today. So inside the right-of-way, 19 trees and two bushes. That's inside the city right-of-way. Outside the city right-of-way, 49 trees and 23 bushes. So there you have it. That's all I've got.

Nothing to report, Your Honor.

Mr. Kern, it's good to see you this evening. I'm glad to see you're recovering well.

Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you for joining me at the front of the dais tonight.

Appreciate it. Thanks for having me. I have the joy of reading the anniversaries. The following are from the police department. Hunter Piasecki, one year. Alexis Eldridge, two years. Caroline Sensman, two years. Matthew Lammert, two years. Chuck Worley, four years. Bethany Morissette, four years. And Yolanda Weber, 15 years. following three are from Engineering, Zane Ennix, one year, Ryan McElhaney, six years, and Nick Smith, 16 years. Congratulations. And finally from Parks, Alison Bush, two years. Vice Mayor, I'd... I'd like to take a moment to thank all for attending the Popcorn Festival. I think it's very nicely put together, wonderful community outreach. And I also attended the 9-11 remembrance, and I in particular want to thank Mayor Adams for his really remarkable words. remembering 25 years and what was such a terrible terrorist attack and the resiliency of the community, the role of especially Beaver Creek Township Fire Department dispatching two to go and help at ground zero. I have the opportunity to go to New York every year for five or six days and I often make a trip down to Freedom Tower to pay my respects and so I'm grateful for our community in doing so. Two comments. First, Professor Keller, I want to thank you so much for taking seriously my concerns and for engaging with those. Forgive my hearing. Did you say there's a macro study that you've conducted or that you have found on urban, suburban versus rural? You don't have to answer that now, but I just didn't catch it at the beginning, so please forgive me. Um, Second, I want to address the income tax issue. I put it on the ballot for two main issues, but I'll leave one, and you can go back and listen to directly what I said. And that is, what happens if property taxes are abolished and there's no income tax? What happens to Beaver Creek? I don't claim to have all the answers, but that's the core reason as to why I put it on the ballot. I'll leave that, Vice Mayor, and I want to thank you for the opportunity.

Thank you. Council Member?

You look like you're looking at me. All right. I do want to, before, first off, I want to address, make sure that Heather understands that I had a conversation with Mr. Brian Martin. We didn't have any type of written correspondence of any kind. So if you're looking for a written record of our conversation, there is none. I know that you requested that. I don't have anything like that that I could provide you. And also the issue with the tree line, you brought that to my attention. That is why I'm bringing it up now. It wasn't the other way around. It wasn't something that I really spent a lot of time even noticing or thinking until you brought it up. So it was a good thing that you brought it to our attention. That's the reason why I'm talking about it now. It wasn't because I didn't care then. It just wasn't anything I thought of. The gap between there didn't seem like a big deal. It wasn't anything that ever entered my mind. The income tax, a lot like Mr. Dewar here, he put it on the ballot at the time when we were pushing for the idea of possibly doing this. We have to rewind a little bit, and the no property tax movement was in high gear, full steam ahead, and looked like they were going to get on the ballot. And I truly believe that if it gets on the ballot, it will be approved in the state of Ohio. The Miami University study, you're correct, it had no comparisons for the state of Ohio for somebody with no income tax. What would it generate? The reason why they never had a study is because no other city doesn't have an income tax. Okay, so there's a reason for that. There's a reason behind it. And what we had to do was take their best estimates because it's what they do. And you're right, there wasn't 100% hard numbers. And just like any other city, guess what? If the money's not there, we'll have to make cuts, won't we? But if property taxes go away and we have no income tax, the whole city goes away. And that's fact. That's just the way it'll go. So that's all I have to say about income tax. Block cameras, I appreciate you bringing that to our attention tonight. It will behoove us all to probably look at this subject seriously now. retired law enforcement, I believe in catching the bad guy, but I also understand and have been reading these because it's interesting to me and I don't, fully agree with everything that's out there because there's a lot of misinformation in the videos that we're all watching online. There are, believe it or not, there's other companies out there just like Flock that are promoting negative information about Flock so that they can get, and that is happening, it's not all of it, but I do believe that there should be a way for us to be able to lock down Flock better so that it is only used for against or in our benefit to look for criminals and not watch everybody. A surveillance state isn't what anybody wants. Um, and I think it behooves us to figure out if that's what's happening. And in some cases, as I believe it was Florida recently determined that they believed that it was. And, uh, I appreciate, I appreciate you bringing it to our attention and it didn't land on deaf ears at all up here. I can promise you that. And, uh, That's all I have. Thank you. Thanks, Mayor.

Thank you. I also greatly enjoyed the Popcorn Festival and I received a lot of compliments on how much it's expanded and kind of What a wonderful thing it is for the city. It brings people here. People have a really great time. It's too bad the weather didn't cooperate fully with us, but maybe next year. Also, the 9-11 ceremony was moving, and it was beautiful. And I think it really speaks to the members of our community that there were so many people there. Like I said, Mayor Adams gave a wonderful speech. I mean, all the speakers were very moving. And an extremely talented TAPS player. I was really impressed. I know that can be difficult, having grown up with trumpet players in my house my whole life. But... One thing I will say, because sometimes Mr. Landrum forgets to say it, is I believe today and tomorrow are the last days for the Tree Advisory's tree and shrub sale. And having been a former member, I will happily give them some extra PR. All right, and that's all I've got. Thanks.

Thank you. I won't speak on behalf of Mayor Adams. I know he's been at a lot of events. I'll let him comment on those. He did do a wonderful job at the 9-11 ceremony. So I appreciate his efforts there. And I also want to highlight the schools had a representation at the 9-11. The township did as well. It was a great community event, so I was glad to see it go off as well as it did. My hats off also to the Popcorn Festival Committee. Thank you to the volunteers that organized that and put it on for our community. I had the pleasure of working in the city booth for a couple hours on Sunday. Mr. Graham and Ms. Harris were in there with me as well, and I appreciate the staff's expertise in answering some of the questions that I couldn't. But it was interesting to talk with some of our residents. A lot of the things I heard were around income tax, Shaker Town, and just road improvement projects in general, but also e-bikes. A lot of feedback on e-bikes, curbs that are crumbling in the community that people would like to see fixed. So those are some of the things I took away from it. It was a good experience to be there and participate. Outside of that, I don't have much that I have to report on. I'm looking forward to OML with Councilman Bales, so I look forward to have a lot more to report on that. Again, thank you to everyone that did come tonight. I did hear some new things tonight. I heard a lot of some things that we've heard before, and we'll try to address some of those. If you feel that they haven't been addressed, we'll do what we can to address those. So I look forward to more on that. With that, There's nothing on the agenda tonight to vote, sir. Thank you. We will bypass the mayor's report, as the mayor's not here, and move on to a city manager's report.

Thank you, Vice Mayor. It was already brought by Council Member Bales about the town hall. So that's tomorrow at the Senior Center at 6 PM. Summer Entertainment Series continues. You've got a party on the golf range with Jukebox Apocalypse, Wednesday, September 23rd, 5 to 8. So check our information on that. Community Conversation with Council, that's September 29th. This is the last one of the year, 6-8 at Lofino Plaza. Small settings with two or three council members. Tri-trucks coming up October 3rd, 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. This is a municipal maintenance facility off of Orchard Lane. All the trucks and snow plows and kids really love climbing all over those. Police cruisers, fire trucks. Beaver Creek Township also hosts an open house at the same time. All is free and open to the public. And the Shout Park slide public input meeting, this is coming up. The Parks Division invites residents to provide feedback on two metal slide concepts. It will be, first of all, try a truck on Saturday, October 3rd, 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. So that would be, if you're coming to that, there should be a table set up to look at that. And if not, Tuesday, October 6th, 4 to 6 p.m. at Lufino Plaza, there would be an opportunity to review everything. The fundraiser update on that is 216 donors have contributed over $20,000 to the Shout Park as of September 14th. So more information on that, tax-deductible donation, beavercreekohio.gov, Shout Park slide. And as Councilwoman Bills have said, advisory boards fall, tree sale information can be found on there, and Florida orders are due by September 15th. And that's all I have tonight.

Thank you.

We do have an executive session on the agenda this evening. So I need a motion before we move forward.

Yes, I move to enter into executive session pursuant to Section 121.22 of the Ohio Revised Code for the purpose of consideration of the appointment, employment of a public official, and the information directly related to a request for economic development assistance that is to be provided or administered under provision of Chapter 715 and Section 5709.40 of the Ohio Revised Code. that involves public structure improvements that are directly related to an economic development project.

A motion. Is there a second? Second. Motion and second. I need a roll call vote, please.

Council Member Bales.

Yes.

Council Member Dewar.

Yes.

Council Member Bills. Yes. Vice Mayor Upton.

Yes.

Council Member Littoral.

Yes.

Council Member Curran.

Yes. Motion carries. So this will, there will be no decisions that come out of the executive session. So this will effectively end the televised portion of the meeting. You all are welcome to stay, but again, no decisions will be made. I've asked the rest of council to join me in the conference room, please.