City Council - Regular Meeting

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Thank you. And welcome to our regular city council meeting tonight, November 4th, 2025. We will start the evening with an invocation by Pastor Kevin Tealing. Thank you, Kevin. And then we will follow that with the pledge of allegiance by Council Member No. Please rise if you're able. Let us pray. Father in heaven, in this month, we especially want to pause to give you thanks all the wonderful blessings that you have provided us. We thank you first and foremost that you've revealed your grace and mercy and love in the person of Jesus Christ, his work, and being crucified, resurrected, ascended into heaven. And we thank you for the blessings that you've poured out upon us as we live in this nation, a free country. And in this month also, we especially thank you for those that have given their lives to serve our nation in the military. We pray your grace and blessing upon them. We thank you for this city and all of the blessings we enjoy prosperity living here in Maricopa. We thank you for this government. We thank you for our neighbors and all of the wonderful uh blessings we have here. And we pray as this meeting that you would help our council, our Vice Mayor Wade, Mayor Smith as they govern, help them to have wisdom, help them to have uh governing with the welfare of our city in mind and bless every city employee. Bless the people of Maricopa. We pray this all in Jesus name.

Amen. Amen. To the flag of the United States of America and to the stands nation indivisible with liberty and justice for all. Thank you. Pastor Tine is from the door church of Maricopa. And thank you council member no. That'll take us to roll call. Vanessa please. Council member ghetto present. Council member no present. Council member Leman here. Council member Marsh here. Council member Manf Freddy here. Vice Mayor Wade present. Mayor Smith here. Madame Mayor, we have a form.

Thank you very much. That'll take us to proclamations, acknowledgements, awards, and presentations. Tonight, we have three proclamations. We do have an item 3.4, legislative update from Senator Schop. He is under the weather. He apologizes for not being able to be here tonight. We told him to get well and come back soon. So, that will not happen this evening. But items 31 to 33, all those proclamations. We looks like we have a crowd. I love it. So, I'd like to invite up Janice Vitali and the Veterans Parade Group. And I also have Vice Mayor Wade with me. Please come up and join us. Whereas the willingness of America's veterans to serve our country has earned them our lasting gratitude. And whereas Veterans Day continues to be celebrated and commemorated with solemn observances in honor of all Americans who have served their country in times of war and conflict. And whereas Veterans Day has become a significant part of our American heritage as we recognize the millions of our citizens whose military services have had a profound effect on history. And whereas throughout the generations, their sacrifices have preserved our unique form of government dedicated to human rights and respect for the individual. And whereas in honor of these dedic dedicated men and women, we pledge continued defense of our

nation so that our their sacrifice will stand before the entire world as a tribute to the spirit and determination of people dedicated to the principles of freedom and democracy. Whereas the courage, honor, sacrifice, and dedication which veterans of the United States Armed Forces have displayed in the CA cause of justice, freedom, and democracy are worthy of recognition. Now therefore, I, Nancy Smith, mayor of the city of Maricopa, do hereby recognize November 11th, 2025 as Veterans Day in the city of Maricopa and urge all citizens to recognize the valor and sacrifice of our veterans to remember that freedom is not free. And these are the men and women who paid for the freedom all of us enjoy today. If you're a veteran, please come up and love to get a picture with you as well. Please join us.

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All right. Now, I'd like to Call of Council member Ghetto and Mary Grace and Mary. If you brought others with you, please bring them. They're welcome.

That's all right. Purple can be seen from anywhere. All right. Whereas the city of Maricopa recognizes the importance of Alzheimer's and related dementia care and the significant impact on the health and well-being of our residents. And whereas more than 11% of Arizonans over the age of 65 live with Alzheimer's, which is the fifth leading chronic disease cause of death in the state. And whereas more than 240,000 Arizonans provide over 377 million hours in unpaid care to their loved ones living with Alzheimer's and related dementia. Whereas medical cost of caring for people with Alzheimer's in Arizona was 591 million. Whereas per capita the cost of Medicare coverage for Arizonans with dementia is 30,000 annually. And whereas Arizonans are actively engaged in educating about the disease, advocating for a proper continuum of care, and improving the training and care of patients with Alzheimer's disease and related dementia. And whereas the city of Maricopa supports an Arizona without Alzheimer's and related dementia, addressing this public health crisis. Now, therefore, I, Nancy Smith, mayor of the city of Maricopa, do hereby proclaim the month of November 2025 as Alzheimer's and Caregiver Month in this community. Encourage all of our residents to learn about Alzheimer's and related dementia patient care. [applause]

This is Mary Grace. She would like to say a couple words.

Um, a year ago I had a round table with our state leaders, city leaders, and first responders. And my goal then was to say how fast we're growing in our But we're not growing our resources for our Alzheimer's families. I'm very proud to say that thanks to Central Arizona Aging, we now have two awesome resources in our town that if anybody is in our shoes as a caregiver or battling Alzheimer's, we have an Alzheimer's caregiver support group. And we also have now a memory cafe. For those who don't know what a memory cafe is, it's for the patient and for the um caregiver. It's just a safe space to be around others who who get it, who know what you're going through. It's a space for them to be socialized, to eat, to be entertained. Caregivers can exhale, which is very important. U so please help share the word. Um the next memory cafe is going to be on November 14th and it's free. It's which is even more awesome. And I just wanted to say um on this Saturday uh the Phoenix in Alzheimer's is happening in front of the Capitol. For any caregivers out there or any families who have lost somebody to Alzheimer's or is currently having somebody battling Alzheimer's, this is another good spot to be in. There's going to be resources. There's literally going to be thousands of us out there. It's a way to honor your loved ones, whether past or present, and and just exhale. We're going to be crying. We're going to be laughing. We're going to be dancing. We're going to be walking. So, please come out and join us if you can. And thank you.

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All right. We have Council Member Lurman up here who is a sponsor of this proclamation. And I'd like to invite up Andrew Coun. And Andrew, if you brought anybody with you, please, they're welcome to come up as well. Whereas a nutritious diet is a fundamental need and a crucial component of a healthy thriving community. Whereas food insecurity affects families, children, and seniors right here in our community, leaving many to wonder where their next meal is coming from. And whereas a commitment has been made to make a difference and alleviate hunger for our neighbors in near need by organizing a food drive, providing an opportunity to donate canned and boxed food as well as monetary donations. and whereas collective effort powered by the generosity of our citizens and businesses including Apex Motorsports Electric District number three, Global Water, Exceptional Health, Ace Hardware in Maricopa, Maricopa Police Department, Maricopa Library, Maricopa Community Center, Copper Sky Multi-Generational Center, and Maricopa City Hall are all available to accept donations that will help stock the shelves of our local food bank for for Maricopa. Now therefore, I, Nancy Smith, mayor of the city of Maricopa, do hereby proclaim November 4th through January 2nd, all through the holidays as food drive participation months. [applause]

All right. Proclamations are always fun. [clears throat] It's a great way to celebrate in our community. I thank you for being here. That takes us to the report from the mayor. Council, anything to share? Yes, councilor Marsh.

So, it's been a month since our last council meeting. Um, on on the 14th of October, I attended a panel county water augmentation authority board meeting and there's there's been still no progress in the negotiations on the Colorado River river rights for the next 20 or 30 years. the up upper basin states are holding their position firm and uh the lower basin states um are going to suffer. It looks like on the 15th through the 26th, city of Maricopa hosted stage coach days. How many of you participated in stage coach days? Well, the guy who made it all happen, Quinn, is sitting right over there. Let's give him a round. [applause] Sta stage coach days was a huge success. On the 16th we had a double feature lunch and learn. Uh the first part part was presented by the police and it was about scams. Scams are hitting seniors online every day. And the second feature was how to get the most out of your doctor visits. Uh on the 18th there was a nationwide protest no kings and that included Maricopa heavy participation. On the 20th we had the senior advisory committee and they were up to their usual antics. Um, on the 22nd, the parks and recck committee uh presented plans for the new park we're planning. You'll hear more on that soon. On the 23rd, [clears throat]

we have a guy here, Bill Robertson. He he wears many hats. Um, he's on the planning and zoning commission. U, he has a collection of old fire hats. It's rumored. Um and on the 23rd he uh put on his host hat and hosted the province town hall with about 150 people attending. City council and staff and county supervisor Vitiello uh all all got to present and take softball questions from the audience. On the 27th um we had a founders memorial meeting. I can't I can't say anything about it yet. It's under wraps, but it was an early planning sess session for something I think you're going to like. On the 28th, I attended the panel partners uh government relations committee meeting and attended the Maricopa Association for Government's transit survey briefing. And that's about it.

Thank you, Council Member Marsh. Council member Manf Freddy. Not much to add more than what um Bob already talked about. He's he gives us everything. Good job. Um the 347, as we all know, is on top of all of our minds. Um every single day, every time we get on it, every time we our family and friends get on it, we worry. We check our phones to track them and make sure they get to where they're going to go. Um I know I do, so I'm sure that everybody else here probably does the same. 347 thankfully has it some new milestones, some new things are happening. Um, you know, we're quickly widening the the the scope of the 347, bringing everything together as one project, allowing us to speed up the project, maybe cut some cost. You might not see dirt turning yet, so you're like, some people might think nothing's getting nothing's happening, but things are happening. There's a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes. Um, the city put out some stuff, the mayor put out some stuff. I wrote an op-ed about it that explains it a little bit more. Um, and I sent it to all the the media in the city. But basically what's happening is um we're we're working behind the scenes to bring everything together to make it one big project instead of having a bunch of smaller projects. Now, I made a mistake and I said this means we bring it all together fully funded blah blah blah. And people are saying, "Well, that means we can stop that half cent sales tax." And just so you know, no, it doesn't. The half cent sales tax is what put the 347 over the edge. And what I mean by that is it helped us get on the five-year plan. It helped us get all the funding together in many different pots so we can push it together into one pot now. So, think of it as allin poker at this point. Everything's in the center of the table and we're getting ready for that last hand. And that last hand is going to be

the construction you'll see over the next couple years. So, um, things are happening. It's going, it's working. And if you need more information, reach out and we're happy to share that with you. You all have our email address. It's a pretty simple email address. It's city council maricopa-az.gov, and you can reach all of us. Thank you.

Thank you, Council Me. Thank you, mayor. Um, just a couple things that haven't been uh touched on. I was able to attend the coffee on the porch as part of stage coach days and um every time I go to that um museum and that area of town, it's just so nostalgic and I love all of the John Wayne memorabilia and our founders and um you know what Maricopa was like way back when. And so I really appreciated having that opportunity to sit with uh the folks there and uh listen to the stories and um and be you know reminisce about the old Maricopa. So thank you for to our um comm what our historical society absolutely but also the city staff that helped um make that event possible as part of stage coach days. So I thought that was a nice addition. And then uh I also attended the province town hall and kudos to Bill as well for putting on a great event um that we could help educate our uh residents about what we're doing. And um that's all I have.

Thank you, Council Member No. Council member Lman.

Thank you, Mayor. I would like to start out by recognizing our heroes here in Maricopa this evening from our fire department, our police department, and our public works department. If you are here tonight from one of those departments and uh when I say your name, if you could please stand or if you're in your back in the back, if you could raise your hand, that would be great. Um there was a flash flood incident on October 12th. Maricopa Fire Department is part of the Phoenix Regional Automate Automatic Aid System, which has many trained technical rescue teams that require firefighters to pass a 200 hour training course to become certified as technicians and assigned to a team. Maricopa does not have a TRT team. However, every year all the crews go through extensive swiftwater training at the Salt River with TRT teams from automatic aid partners, which allows us in life or death situations to safely use swiftwater gear to perform a swiftwater rescue, which is exactly what happened on October 12th. Under the supervision of Battalion Chief Will Sherwood, a successful swiftwater rescue of two people were performed. Will Sherward said he had not seen this type of weather in 30 years in Maricopa. Um so I would like to re well oh let me go on police department. [clears throat and cough] Um thank you to the public works employees that worked on October 12th by helping to manage flooded roadways. Keep the streets free of debris. Add address traffic light malfunctions. Distributed sandbags. close flooded roads, maintenance of citywide drainage system. And okay, at this time, I would like to uh recognize our public safety officers. I'm going to start with public works.

So, if you're here, please stand. Um [snorts] Tyler Waters, he's the streets equipment operator. Justice Gonzalez, streets maintenance worker. [clears throat] And here is the list from our police officers. Sergeant John Sones, Sergeant Andy Leachch, Officer Juan Curio Carion, Officer Tanner Dixon, Officer Mlin McDonald, Officer Brendan Dennington, Officer Corey Benoy, and Police Service Aid Maddie Alisia. And then I would like to recognize our firefighters. Ladder tender 571 Captain Paramedic Jonathan Schaefer, Engineer Kyle Stanley, Firefighter Paramedic Jorge Delmuriro, Firefighter Ed Edgar Pedes, Battalion Chief 571, Battalion Chief Will Sherwood, Battalion Safety Officer Albert Bandin. Um, ladder 574. Acting Captain Roland Fesh, engineer Laric Lopez, firefighter paramedic John Bar, firefighter Ronald Navaro, Captain Engine 572, Captain Shayen Paris, Engineer Paramedic David Mass, Firefighter Paramedic Damon Flarity, and Firefighter Alberto Areola. And then I'd like to ask Chief Patassi um and Chief Goodman to stand as well and be recognized. If I did not say your name and you're here tonight as a public safety officer, will you please stand? And let's recognize our heroes. [applause] [applause]

I would like to express my s sincere condolences to the family of business owner move in Maricopa Antonio Jackson. I was very sad to hear of his tragic accident and please continue to pray for his wife Deb. Um, November 10th is Marine Corps birthday. So, happy birthday to the Marine Corps. And, um, I want to thank Ride 347 for providing an excellent entertainment option for families this Halloween. They did a Halloween community tour and it was a really great event for families. I would also like to thank Christy Ferman for taking initiative and creating a Facebook page entitled Potluck Community to serve families experiencing food insecurity and strengthening our community. It is always great to see when people see a need and step up to meet that need. And then finally, I just want to share that today on the first day of our food drive, Exceptional Health, City Hall, and Global Water all received generous donations. So, thank you all for kicking off our food drive in a really strong way. It doesn't surprise me about Maricopa. Maricopa always shows up. So, thank you very much.

Thank you, Council Member Lairman. Vice Mayor Wade.

Yes. Yes, [clears throat] ma'am. Thank you very much. I actually want to extend an invitation for the um next lunch and learn for you to attend the next lunch and learn which is on the 20th starting at 11:00 a.m. We'll be discussing fraud, real estate fraud, and credit reports, what have you. So, come on out uh have lunch and support that uh program. It'll be held at the senior center and the title is your your home, your power. Uh I attended stage coach days as well. It was just a crazy busy weekend. So I got a chance to go over uh after having a visit from my sister who I hadn't seen in about 15 years. And so it was nice to be able to spend some time with her and her husband. Um Providence the um town hall at Providence was well well done. It was well done. It was most appreciated and I think that um most of the attendees got something out of it. if it was just from getting a handshake at the beginning and the end of the program. So, thanks very much, Bill, for that. I appreciate that. And Veterans Parade, 9:00 a.m. on November the 8th. I'm sure it'll be uh as crowded as it has been lately. And come on out, wear your uniform proudly if you or uh your uh your hat proudly if you will, and I look forward to seeing you all there on uh on that day. That's all I have.

Thank you, Vice Mayor. appreciate that. [clears throat] Thus, this evening, I would really like to address stage coach days because I don't know if everyone realizes what, in my opinion, was a huge success. First of all, I'd like to thank Vanessa and Quinn back in January, February when we did futures meeting, they brought this idea forward. So this fruitioned in January of this year [clears throat] and then their team took it forward to about 10 or 11 days of lots of celebrating in various different ways and it just celebrates our history in so many ways and so I hope each of you that were able to attend really enjoyed it. I want to share with you just some fun things so that in when next year comes you're like I want to do that. I took my grandbabies to fishing derby. My six-year-old son, a grandson, caught a fish this big, a catfish. He pulled it up and he had he needed help. It was heavy and he was scared to death of it, but it was like ginormous. Um, what a fun day just watching all the kids fishing around Pakana Park. It was great. Then they also participated in the color run, which actually Ron and Gerami ended up in full color like in the color run. But believe it or not, there were 400 I've heard different numbers, 400 to 600 people who signed up for the color run. So I just see that as a growing experience and everybody had a ton of fun doing that. There was three days of celebrating at Pakana Park with a carnival and food trucks and I understand food trucks sold out, the beer garden sold out, just a fun time. But one thing that my grandkids noticed is there's police everywhere. like they were so enamored with the police that were there. So, thank you very much, police uh Chief Goodman, for having them out there. They brought their motorcycles. The little kids were so excited to be able to sit on a motorcycle, turn on the lights. They

brought their vehicles, four vehicles. The kids got to enjoy those as well. Then our police officers were traveling around in a cart saying hello to everybody. Just good community spirit. So, it was a really great event and I thank the city staff for all that they did because it was in my opinion a huge success. Thank you. So, that's it for the report from the mayor and we'll take it to the report from the city may manager. Thanks, Madam Mayor, members of the council. I think you all have covered it pretty well. So, uh I'll I'll pass off anything else. Okay. Very good. All right. Then that'll take us to the call to the public this evening. I have He's over here signaling. I'm like

I was playing with the coin they gave me. I have zero speaker cards. Um Ron and Jeremy, I'll take you at the agenda item if that's okay. [clears throat] But if you would like to approach the podium and speak on a topic and speak to the council, I'll give you that opportunity right now. Would anyone like to approach the podium? All right. A quiet group tonight. Seeing none, we'll move on to the consent agenda. City Council, tonight I have items 7.1 through 7-9 and um would any I have zero speaker cards. Does anyone have anything they'd like to ask a question on? Like to pull. Do I have a motion?

To accept it. Motion by Vice Mayor Wade to and seconded by Council Member Lman. Last chance for questions, comments. Seeing none, all in favor say I. I. Any opposed? That motion carries. All right, that'll take us to regular agenda item 8.1. This item is an appointment to the parks and rec committee and this is Council Member Lurmans. I'll pass it over to you.

Thank you, Mayor. I want to thank the seven impressive applicants for this position. Maricopa is blessed to have people who are willing to serve their community with their talents, experience, and passion. It is my pleasure tonight to nominate Thalen Johnson for the parks and recck committee. Thalen is a veteran with global experience, years of volunteer service, and expressed his love for Maricopa. Some of the words he used to describe his priorities for parks and wreck were inclusive, fun, belonging, flourishing, to be a voice for the community, and include all ability levels and footwork, which I liked. Um, Thalen will be starting January 1st, 2026. And I want to thank Janine Eteki for her service on the committee. I really appreciate it and she did a great job.

Thank you, mayor. Thank you. Is he here? He is here. Fallen, will you please stand? Nice. And his wife. I've been seeing this [applause and cheering] man everywhere. And his mom. [applause] I love that. I've been seeing him everywhere. I had to go up finally and say, "All right, tell me who you are and what are you up to?" He's in the leadership academy, right? Yeah. Very good. Okay. Council, any questions, comments? Do I have a motion? Move to approve. Move to approve by council member Man Freddy. Seconded by council member Noir.

All right. I gave it to Nor. She wave. All in favor say I. I. Any opposed? That motion carries. Congratulations. [applause] All right. Agenda item 8.2 is the appointment to PNZ commission and this belongs to Council Member No. I'll turn it over to you. Thank you, Mayor. Uh, first I want to thank Alfonso Warz Jr. for his service to the PNZ Commission. He did a fantastic job. He was initially appointed by um, Councilman Vitiello and then I carried him on um, when I was appointed and I really appreciate he would check in with me. he would answer my questions if I had questions. And so I really appreciate his service to the community and I'm excited for him and his family. He's going to have a new grandbaby in San Diego and so he wants to make time for that and that's certainly honorable. But I really do appreciate his service. Um, but tonight we are here to uh appoint um I'm here to recommend Chad Whittle be appointed to replace Alfonso on the PNZ commission. And I just want to read a little bit about Chad and um his bio and who he is. so that the community understands what we're getting. Um, in a PNZ commissioner, Chad has been a proud resident of the Maricopa community for more than 20 years. During that time, he has developed a deep appreciation for the values, people, and progress that make Maricopa such a special place to live and raise a family. A devoted husband and father, Chad is a hardworking family man who believes strongly in service, accountability, and collaboration as the foundation of effective community leadership. Over the past 14 years, Chad has served the Maricopa Unified School District in various roles, demonstrating an unwavering commitment to excellence, teamwork, and the success of local students and families. His experience within the district has given him a strong understanding of the needs and challenges facing the community, as well as the importance of re responsible

planning and transparent decisionmaking. As the leading chair of the MUSD bond committee, Chad successfully guided that complex initiative, which required coordination, communication, and consensus building among diverse stakeholders. His leadership on the committee reflects his ability to listen thoughtfully, analyze information critically, and drive results that benefit the entire community. He's known for his positive, can do attitude, and Chad is not afraid of hard work, and he takes pride in seeing projects through from start to finish. He brings a results-driven mindset balanced with empathy and respect for differing perspectives. Through his professional experience and long-standing community involvement, Chad has developed the skills and dedication necessary to serve effectively in this position. Chad looks forward to the opportunity to continue contributing to the growth and success of Maricopa by fostering collaboration, promoting transparency, and ensuring that every decision made reflects the best interest of our community. And Chad is here with his family today. So Chad, if you please stand [applause] council, I already told them we might not vote yes. [laughter] I got to meet him earlier. I'm just teasing. Any questions, concerns, comments?

A motion to move to approve by Council Member Man Freddy, seconded by Council Member Marsh. Last chance for comments, questions. He's prepared. All right. All in favor say I. I. Any oppose? That motion carries. Congratulations. [applause]

All right. That'll take us to item 8.3 and we'll have a presentation by Josh Bowman.

Good evening, Mayor and Council. I'm excited to present this one to you tonight. Um this is going to be for a proposal of a lease on some land owned by the city. U so I'll give you a little bit of a history of uh this uh parcel. Um little over five acres of land. Uh all the council members of course aware of this. This is right across from the county uh courthouse currently. This is where the old city hall was and was where the potential uh police station was. um when the police station didn't go there, we were looking for some opportunities uh what would be the highest and best use of this land, how it can help benefit the community. Um we did recently put out an invitation for bid um for services that would help the community, their seniors, our youth. Um and this uh that we'll proposal is the the winning bid for that. Um and again, this is the property uh where we're we're discussing right here. Um so the uh winning bid came in for CAVIT which is the central Arizona inst valley Institute of Technology. Um I think most of you are familiar with what Kavitt does. Um Kavitt is a uh a u really cool um opportunity for many of our 11th and 12th graders to go and get additional training. Um their plan is to provide services not only for those 11 and 12 year olds, 12th graders, um but they do clinics to help the students have an opportunity to actually practice those skills and those clinics are open to all the community. Um so really good opportunity to serve not only youth but also really all of our our population here in Maricopa. What is exciting about this is as we continue to grow and look for job opportunities, being able to have this as a pipeline to train our youth um to get right in the career field is really really beneficial. Currently um the students that are participating in this are getting bus

campus in Kulage. Um so this will be just huge for for our seniors and and juniors. Um the timeline of what we're proposing with this is they would do this in two phases of construction. Um the first phase would have some of their front office space and their first kind of off uh uh classroom space which is about 6,000 square feet very similar to the u uh building footprint that they have right now which each of their modules that they've added a few times. Um their plan is to be open by July of 2028. Um and so really that's really exciting. Not that far off though. That's a couple years really when we're looking going through that whole process. That's really coming in pretty quick. Um they would then have a second phase which would be an additional classroom. Um and when that comes in and looking at right now probably about two to three after the first phase. Um I will not read all of these programs. Uh I know they're a little small. I apologize for that. But these are all of the programs that are currently being offered at CABIT. Um the exact programming that will happen at the Maricopa campus is still to be determined. Um but these are what they're offering currently and many of those or maybe even some additional ones might be offered at this site. So um that is what we're proposing for this site and the lease agreement that uh goes along with this agenda item. Oh, I have apologize. We have one more. This this uh um really works great with one of the the focuses that we've had from our strategic thrusts. Um that job creation and and business development um fits right along with that action too of being able to create those pipelines for um continue economic development and workforce development.

Any questions?

Thank you very much, Josh. Council questions, comments? Yes, Councilman Freddy. Um, thank you for the presentation. When I look at cabinet, I couldn't think of something better for that piece of land in the city of Maricopa. That piece of land served as the first city hall, first police department. Um, a lot of other stuff um that was within there. It was started with uh one or two single trailers turned into I think 22 trailers at one point. Vanessa can tell me she's one of the first people to ever work for the city of Maricopa. Um, so, you know, to have something go there that's going to be this good for our community, I couldn't think of anything better. And just a side note or personal note, all three of my daughters attended Cavitt um when they were at Maricopa High School. One did massage therapy and um just for parents here, that means you get free massages. Um my other two daughters did medical assistant and they're both working as medical assistants. One is working her way through college right now. Um where she's going to be a physician assistant and the other one is um working at a cardiologist office as a medical assistant as she decides what specialty she wants to go into in the medical field. Graduating with a medical assistant degree or certificate from Kavitt allows you to get out of high school and get a job paying 20 $25 an hour. It's a good way to start a career. So, um yeah, for me, the minute I seen it, I was like, well, this is it. This is a good thing. And I know a couple other people that applied and they told me they're happy they didn't get the bid because they want to see cab here in the city of Maricopa also. So it's a great thing and 100% support.

Thank you, Council Member Manfrey. Council member Gettto.

Yeah, thank you very much, mayor, and thank you uh for Mr. Bowman for the uh the presentation here tonight. Um Cavit's a wonderful program and I'm I'm so happy to see them uh take this bid on and actually uh provide the to our city. Uh workforce development is is a high priority as we look forward into the future and and making sure that our our our next generation has not only the, you know, the educational skills that our our public schools and our charters and and private schools are providing, but then they also have the technical skills that come with programs such as KVIT. Um so having this uh an added layer of diversity in some of our educational goals and and ways to achieve some of those certificates and education is just a great uh bo for a lot of our young people here in our city. And you did mention this tonight, Josh. I just want to reiterate that the services also that are open to the public because of this facility that will be there. We're talking, you know, nails and and haircuting and and all the great things that come with that and how that will also allow for further services here for our our residents. So, we do appreciate you bringing this forward to us tonight. I'm excited to vote for it.

Thank you, Council Member Gettle. Council member Noir.

Thank you, Mayor. And I just want to reiterate what Councilman Manfred and Councilman Gtle said. What a game changer this is going to be for the students here in Maricopa. Uh it's going to uh make it so that they don't have an hour commute one way each way. So a two-hour commute. Um and hopefully this Cavitt campus can maybe align better with the break schedules of the uh MUSD school district and and things such as that. to make it just easier on our students um to be able to achieve these, you know, career opportunities. And that's what's great about this is this program in collaboration with MUSD really prepares students for a career and um so that when they exit high school, they have skills that can be used immediately in the workforce and it's just really exciting and I look forward to seeing this develop and um the first students walking in in July 2028. So, thank you.

Thank you, Council Member Nor. Council member Lurman,

if you have a non-traditional learning child, they will love Cavitt. So, this program is for students who were learn hands-on. So, they have a firefighting program, police academy, cosmetology, nursing, all of that. They are in classrooms learning hands-on. So, for the juniors and seniors who are burnt out by 11th grade, this program reinvigorates them. It engages them in their education. and it helps them select what field they want to go in and it is really amazing. Um, one of the programs I know is valued over $20,000 um, for I it's the cosmetology program. So, these programs align with certifications and they have to pass Oh, these girls are saying, "Oh, yeah. Oh, you did it. Okay. Um, you have to pass really rigorous tests to to show skills and then you are certified. So if you don't pass the test, you don't get certified. So if you go through the programs, you will graduate with your license in cosmetology, massage, and you can go get a job. So it is really um an excellent program. And then also for recruitment um when we need firefighters, police officers, these are students that live in Maricopa who go to Cavitt and they either learn I don't want to be a firefighter, for sure not, or I really love firefighting and this is what I want to do. So, it's also a recruitment tool for our public safety and other careers um here in Maricopa as well. Thank you, Josh.

Thank you, Council Member Lurman. So, Josh, just to make it clear, my understanding is that CAVID is a standalone. It's not associated with our MUSD. It's standalone and therefore juniors and seniors from MUSD and all of our charter schools are able to come. It's pretty exciting. Yeah. Pretty thrilling. Okay. Any additional comments, questions? Yes. actually um great point you brought up because in the past and I know some charters are participating today but in the past charters wouldn't participate because of the the ability to get the kids to coolage. So now it's something here in the city of Maricopa all schools would be able to participate where smaller schools weren't before. Well, that's really great. Um and um Council Member Lierman mentioned that some of these programs are very expensive and I'll give it another full life experience on it. Um I have a friend of mine that's going through MA school right now. Um well, a friend's daughter going through MA school right now and she's paying for it and she's going to class all day and she's she's already graduated high school and she's doing it now because that's what she wants to do. and kids that go to CAVIT can graduate with that at zero cost. There's no cost. There's no additional cost to the taxes that we already pay. So, just to clarify, it's paid for by taxes, right? Obviously, um but it's a great program and it allows for kids to get these experiences and and yeah, I couldn't be happier actually.

Excellent. Thanks. Thank you, Council Ryan Freddy. Council member Ghetto. Yes, Mayor. If I may, I'd like to take the honor to go ahead and make the motion to approve uh this lease agreement with Central Arizona Valley Institute of Technology. Very good. Very good. I have a motion to approve by Council Member Ghetto, second by Council Member Manf Freddy. Any additional comments, questions? All in favor say I. I. Any opposed? I can't hit the blank. Sorry, you're four, right? Yes. Uh anyone opposed? Oh, that motion carries. Thank you very much. Thanks, Josh. That'll take us to item 8.4, which is a presentation from Rounds Consulting.

So, you get to me again for just a quick second. That's all right. Thanks. So, as we've talked about in past meetings, um the Office of Economic Opportunity is going through a five-year strategic plan. Um and Rounds Consulting is the one that's been selected to do that. Um, we'd like to invite uh Jim Rounds from Round Consulting to uh have a brief discussion and how it's progressing and how we continue to go forward with this. Thank you,

mayor, members of the council. Uh Jim Rounds, president Rounds Consulting Group. I want to first congratulate you for being probably the most efficient council that I've ever been in front of. My wife was supposed to come with me and we were going to go to dinner out here afterwards. And I saw that we were pretty low on the agenda. I think like 17 out of 18. And I said, "I'm not going to get out of here until 8:30 or 9. Do what you got to do. Go hang go to dinner with your mom and I'll I'll just pick up some fast food on the way back." And now I know better. So now we'll I'll I'll have an extra guest with me uh for future meetings. Um for those that don't know much about us that I wanted to come and basically in person introduce myself. I I know some of you, not everybody. Um, we do a lot of public policy consulting at the state level, at county levels. We work in Panol County quite a bit. We've worked with you all in the past. And we're also helping on the general plan with Michael Baker, uh, doing some technical advising. And so, we're looking forward to getting to know the community again like we have in the past. Um, I'll be out, I think it's next Wednesday, meeting with everybody on a more personal basis and having a good conversation. And what I included in my notes since I don't have a presentation is how we like to operate is whenever something new gets brought up, like when we did an outreach meeting the prior week, when anything something new gets brought up that's important that needs to be called out in the document, I like to have a list in front of me and we my staff write it down. So, a lot of the bullet points that you have are just some ideas that might, you know, maybe create some questions when we meet. So, I wanted to make sure that you had a copy of that. But, uh, in terms of where we stand right now, we've already collected a lot of the economic data. Uh, believe it or not, even though, uh, you wouldn't think that the federal government shutdown would affect a lot of the, um, data websites, it actually has. You can't even access some of them right now. But fortunately, we have a

lot of the data in our data in our internal database. So, we were able to do a lot of the work and we'll figure we'll figure it out. I'm not concerned about getting the right information. Uh, in terms of the outreach, uh, I had three or four of my staff members there, we were pretty impressed because the impression that we got from the individuals that participated were spot-on with the economic data. Now, I can tell you from personal experience that's not always the case. In fact, in I would say more often than not, the perception of a community is quite a bit different than what the economic data shows. And then you end up having to educate you know the community members and you know explain how things work, how budgets work, how economics works. Uh I don't think that's going to be a challenge here and it hasn't been in the past. I'm looking forward to it. Uh I I live in South Tempee and it took me an hour and 15 minutes to get here. Uh, and so I was able to take care of a lot of uh, calls in the car, goes through this. I don't dial and stuff. It goes through the stereo, so it's okay. Um, I took my wife's car, of course, because that was the original plan, and I'll put miles on hers instead of mine. But on all the different items that you have on on our notes for next week, uh, the one that I underlined and then I made into a square and then I highlighted back on my desk and then I put exclamation points by is transportation. And uh we took a look at the 347 plan and the half cent uh just because we're we're fortunate enough to spend a little bit of our time as a think tank as well, not just as a consulting firm. And so we volunteered and did some analyses of the 347 and we had a net uh gain for the taxpayers and the residents from the expansion of this road. I think the transportation piece is that one. You can improve everywhere. Everybody can improve. There's you always have to keep moving forward. But that's that one

thing that I think is keeping this place from being what everybody would like it to be a little bit more balanced, not having as much leakage in terms of revenues, but you're better positioned fiscally than most communities, which is a good thing. I see a lot of other communities out there that didn't really do proper calculations on when a lot of the one-time revenues were coming here on the stimulus packages. They spent it on permanent programs and now they're having to do significant cuts. Some communities actually recognize that and so you're in a better position on some of the fiscal items than actually quite a few. I don't want to say the ones that are negative because then they'll call me and tell me that they're never going to hire us to do an analysis again when really they really needed to hire us to do the analysis to keep them out of trouble. Uh so again, this was mainly an introduction if you have any questions now. and uh my friend TJ since he's sick. Um if any of you wanted a brief update on what's happening at the capital, I'd be happy to answer any questions about that. I'm one of two economists that rotates on the uh forecast advising group. Um and I just gave the last presentation and you know, we we were briefed on the budget and things like that. And of course there's things to worry about because while like I mentioned, some communities planned for the one-time monies to stop, the state didn't. And so we voluntarily gave them an analysis saying they have $1.2 billion dollars in their base that is going to go away. Don't spend it. They didn't listen and now they're having to use all the rainy day fund money to help balance things out. But um you know TJ is probably more fun to listen to. Usually when an economist comes up, everybody clears the room. So there must be a really interesting last item on here uh because there's still people behind me. But um looking forward to this. I think this is a fun group. I we really wanted to work on this project. We really enjoy brainstorming with your staff and I think everybody gets it. And when we feel like we are

not just saying here's what you need to do, you got to change directions. When it's collaborating with the policy makers, when it's collaborating with staff and you're working as a team, which I'm already saying we and I got to catch myself because I'm not a wei yet. I'm the outsider. But we already mentioned, hey, as we're doing this work together and but then they said, no, you're you're part of it. Uh so it's it's a very welcoming community and I'm looking forward to hopefully providing some advice on some areas that haven't been considered or strengthening it, maybe even helping with finding some extra revenues on the transportation issues, but I'm very optimistic about this community.

Thank you very much. So since you're friends with Senator Shop and I love him and he's not here, I'm going to pick on him. If had spoken, you wouldn't be up yet. It'd be another hour. Yeah. Just Okay. So, I need to see if TJ is going to be up before. There you go. Then invite my wife for dinner. Okay. Council, any comments, questions? Yes. Council member Manf Freddy.

Actually, if it was TJ Martinez and I mean TJ Martinez and Chris, then you'd be in trouble because that's about two hours. Um, thank you so much for your for discussion here. I love the fact that you brought up the the one-time money. Um because we consciously made decisions years ago when the government was just like, you know, throwing out money and they were like, "Here, take this, take this during COVID and they were just throwing money at cities and towns and counties and states and the federal government was just raising our debt at the federal level and just giving money to everybody. Um, we made conscious decisions when we when we took some of that money was to make sure we use it on a lot of one-time expenses and we didn't go out and create all the programs that other cities, counties, states, and all that stuff created because now they're going to have to cut them. Um, and the hardest thing to do in government is once you start something is cut it, right? Because then of course you have no heart, you have no soul, blah blah blah, all that good stuff that happens. But the reality is we sit in this city on a very small budget compared to other cities in the state. So it allows us to use that one-term money for important things um that we were able to get out of the way. And um I'm pretty sure Ben could go over 10 hours of those one things that we did. Um and maybe that's one thing we should do in the future is give that sort of a presentation. But when you talk to Matt in our in um in finance, he can do the same thing for you and explain to you how we were able to keep this the city going um and how we're able to do so much we do without the debt we have. So I'm I'm very happy that it's part of your scope of looking at what we do as a city because many people just don't see it and don't get it. So when the report comes, I can't wait to see that kind of stuff.

Thank you, Council Member Manfrey. Any additional comments, questions? Yes, Council Marsh, I enjoyed your speech. You You're going to be a good we. Thank you.

It's going to be interesting to me to to watch your job because AI has just changed all the rules and um we're all trying to catch up with it. Nobody's going to get ahead of it, but you can you can catch up with it and stay stay up with it. There was a great quote on CBS Sunday morning this this last weekend. Your job, you won't lose your job to AI. You'll lose your job to someone using AI. And that's a truism. So, good luck with it. Make it happen. We need you.

Uh, mayor, if I may just address that, that's spot on. And uh other advising that we do is with universities and other schools. Uh we're in the education space. We're in the tax space, economic development space, kind of all over just because it's been around for a while. But we're in the middle of doing a an assignment for the border regents that's going to be showing that we're not going to be hitting our long-term forecasts that have been generated by the state because we're not going to have enough workers. We need the high school dropouts to graduate. We need the high school graduates to get some kind of a technical degree. We need everybody to move up. And if we do it right, AI may be a piece of what fills in that gap that allows us to have this very strong trajectory because the economic growth that you've been seeing across greater Phoenix and Arizona cannot even be close to being met over the next two decades unless we make some significant changes. And how we started getting through to people at the capital is we started talking about return on investment because we had lawmakers say we want to run government like a business. And I said okay well I would invest in something. I would count it as a cost but I would anticipate it's going to make me more money later. That's what an ROI is. So we started this kind of revolution of lawmakers asking for return on investment calculations. We're going to be showing that there's such a huge ROI of making sure that we're not short, not just on workforce, but on energy supply. There's going to be water issues that continue to arise. And we have to keep up with infrastructure uh transportation infrastructure because if you get behind on the expense of things, you can never realistically increase taxes on the public to even start to catch up. You have to keep up with it. And again, this is going to be fun because it's not going to be building a car. I feel like this is going to be putting a supercharger on the car and

that supercharger is going to be the transportation system. And then we'll have to figure out, all right, how fast can it actually go? Uh, and there's just so many neat opportunities. And again, looking forward to working with you and the staff.

Thank you. Yeah, we live, eat, and breathe transportation. And so I know it's going to be an exciting conversation given that I had a little bit of a premeating with Josh and Christian. And I just want to share with you my one comment because you know I've been through a economic strategic plan in the past um watching other communities do it. And so what I want to make sure we walk away with at the end is knowing what we're going to do that what we're going to change to make things different. We've been working hard hard. What are we going to be able to change to bring about more um results and that's involves transportation. It involves a lot of different aspects. But I want our public to know what's different with this economic development strategic plan. So just a little bit of a expectation.

Yeah. Well, well, mayor, we always have to write economic development strategic plan because that's how it's listed in the RFP.

We put together to-do lists. Now, if we just call it we're going to do do we're going to do a to-do list for you, we would never get hired for a project because people like to hear certain words as you're bidding. that our our ultimate goal and this is what we discussed when we were interviewing is we like to have a to-do list. We want to be able to say this group is going to be doing these things by this date so that this other group can take complimentary things and get them done by a certain date. If you don't do that stuff doesn't get done in government and that's no offense to government. I worked in government right out of school. I worked at the state capital for a while and half of my work is with uh government entities. But if you don't do it that way, I see so many good ideas in so many communities with such opportunity just set the documents on their desk and or not even on their desk. It'll be on a bookshelf in the corner. I'd like it to be something that's on the corner of your desk for the next couple of years. We want it to have longevity. We want to make it so that you don't need us immediately to revise it later. We want it to be something where it's good and you're like, "We don't need you for a few years."

I love that. Sounds exciting. Any additional comments, questions? All right. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. That'll take us on to our last item, 8.5. And we have a presentation from Derek Sher. [cough and clears throat]

Good evening, Mayor, uh, members of the council. Derek Sheer with the, uh, planning division of the development services department to present the next item on the agenda. uh which is excuse me flipping pages uh 8.5 for ordinance 25-13. This is a proposed uh city initiated reszone uh zoning case number Z25-04 for ordinance OARDD25-13. This is an application by the city on behalf of Tim Raznac of Archicon Architecture and Interiors PC uh for a location on the vicinity map that you see on the screen at the southwest corner of West Honeyut Road and North Border Road. The site is approximately 2.21 acres. Uh this is a like forlike reszone from general business CB2 to general commercial GC. As we can see on the screen above or in front of you that uh the proposed reszone uh from CB2 to GC general commercial is proposed to remove the property out of the legacy Panel County zoning district uh of CB2 to the current city of uh Maricopa zoning district of GC general commercial for proposed gasoline service station. Uh the gasoline service station is a permitted by right use under the CB2 zoning and also the GC zoning. Um the developer for the site is uh Terrible's gas station. Uh you may remember them uh from several months ago. They have uh are located on Porter Rogue just south all the way at Bolan about a mile away. Uh the company's uh proposed to jump with both feet into the community and open up uh two uh gasoline service stations. Um this proposal is uh in conformance with the general plan. It's actually fulfilling one of the goals uh and objectives goal B1.4 objective number six which is to transition all old county zoning to

current city of Maricopa zoning uh with a like forlike zoning category. Uh this uh proposal fulfills that goal. Uh the proposal conforms with the city's zoning ordinance and prior to uh full development of the site uh the development will meet all zoning code and building code regulations. Um public outreach for the proposal. The site was posted on August 6th with first uh letters of notification going out to uh property owners within 600 feet. A neighborhood meeting was held on August 21st. Uh the sign was updated on September 2nd and a second uh notification letter was sent to property owners with uh within 600 feet. This was due to a um uh a typo uh for the advertising the date for the planning and zoning commission. So it was re uh advertised. uh newspaper notice went out on September 4th and at the September 22nd planning and zoning commission meeting uh the commission voted in a split vote of 5 to2 for approval of the reszone uh for case number Z24-04 and recommending that the uh the mayor and city council approve ordinance number OAD25-13. Uh staff has received three letters of opposition to the proposal. Uh those letters are in the council's packet. Um the letters of opposition uh are to the development of the site not the reszone. Uh development of the site is being handled under an administrative development review permit and as I mentioned prior to that being approved it will meet all uh zoning code and building code regulations. Uh happy to answer any questions that the council may have and the applicant or future property owner of the site is also here to answer any questions.

Thank you very much Derek. Council, any comments, questions? Oh, yes. I do have one speaker card. Thank you very much. It's sitting right in front of me. I'd like to call forward Ron and Gerami. Thank you, City of Maricopa Board, for giving me the opportunity to speak today regarding the proposed terrible gas station. While I continue to believe that placing a gas station in the middle of a residential neighborhood is far from ideal, I want to acknowledge the steps Terble has taken to mitigate the impact on our community. At the last planning and zodia meeting, they committed to adding a wall to the south end of the property to better separate their commercial site from the nearby homes. They've also expressed a willingness to work with the Glenwell HOA on additional landscaping along Porter Bowen and Allen Stevens. At a previous city council meeting, I shared the sentiment that good fences make good neighbors. It appears that Terble is embracing this philosophy and for that I wish to thank them. That said, even with these improvements, the presence of a gas station in a residential area brings unavoidable concerns. traffic, noise, and environmental risks that will affect the quality of life for these nearby families. While these mitigations are helpful, they do not fully address the core issue. Commercial fuel operations are inherently challenging neighbors in a residential setting. I urge the council to carefully weigh these factors to ensure that our neighborhood's safety, peace, and character remain protected even if even if we recognize terrible efforts to be a better neighbor. Thank you for your time and your dedication to our community.

Thank you, Mr. Andami. All right, council questions, comments?

I have a question. I read through the opposition letters from the community and mostly it focuses as you said on the wall and some separation and um so what can you Mr. Andami said that they've committed to that but is that your understanding as well? Yes. Uh, Mayor Smith, uh, Council Member Noir, my understanding is that they have committed to build the wall. Uh, we are have not received a recent middle of the application for the DRP. Uh, we anticipate that in the next middle that there will be a block wall along the southern edge of the property. If I go back to the overall site plan, so the southern edge where you see the culde-sac going up along that western edge uh of where that drainage basin is, that will shield the site from the properties to the south on the opposite side of the road and then also right at that house right at the corner.

Thank you. Any additional comments, questions? Council member Manf Freddy. Yeah, thanks so much for the presentation. I just wanted to point out something important. Um we had someone here who wanted to speak on um what we were going to talk about within our regular agenda. And Ron came in, he put out a um a card here um where he says, "I want to speak on this." And I want people to understand that when you speak at a city council meeting and or a planning and zoning meeting, people are listening. Um if if Oh, darn. Time's up. I can keep talking. I don't get time. Was too fast.

Yeah, she tries to time me. it doesn't work. Um, it's important because the the wall doesn't happen. The extra the extra stuff that goes on where um talking about the um um um landscape maintenance, flood mitigation, all of these things, they might happen, but sometimes it takes people standing up like Ron just did and asking questions. Because when you ask questions and you ask for a change or you send an email or you send a letter, mail it, show up at the public meetings, it's important. Um, so when I hear people all the time say, "Why would I go? They they just made up their mind already. They're going to do what they want to do." It's not always true. Um because like the wall and like other stuff like the landscaping and the flood mitigation and things like that, it's all going to be part of the new plan that comes from them. Now, what we're talking about today is a zoning, right? Not the actual plan and and the landscaping and elevations and all that stuff, right? So, we're talking about the zoning. So, I did have a question and um I I think I know the answer, but I'd like to hear it. So if we vote no today, right, and it stays CB2 instead of GC, right? Yeah. If we we leave it at CB2 instead of GC, they could still build the gas station, right,

Mayor Smith? Uh, Council Member Freddy, yes, that is correct.

I was just curious because people think that if we vote no today, they can't build their gas station, and that's not going to happen, right? They're building the gas station because it's their it's the land that they're purchasing. Now, it was great when you guys you had a a picture up there and you had the Circle K on one side and I don't know, maybe it's back one, I think, and then you had this space on the other. And it's crazy is that this piece of land is bigger than the Circle K piece of land where the Circle K sits today. Um, which is everybody complains is horrible um uh what's it called? um horrible uh parking and traffic in there trying to get in and out. And I just went in there the other day and I grabbed a Coke Zero um and a thing of Twinkies. Don't tell my wife about the Twinkies, but I grabbed a thing of Code Coke Zero and it took me like 10 minutes to get out of there. It was crazy just in line and then I got in my car and that was that was crazy. So, I think it's great to have a secondary um convenience store in this location, especially when all the schools are there. And don't go to that Circle K when school lets out because it's just filled with people. And that's what I did. Don't do that. I've learned my lessons. Sometimes you got to learn lessons the hard way. Um but I think it's a a a good site for another convenience store. And there's plenty of more sites within the city of Maricopa where we're going to see other convenience stores. I think a 7-Eleven was looking somewhere else and other terribles down south. Um, more and more gas stations that we need in the city of Maricopa. Um, but I hear a lot of people say this. So, uh, if we have any influence in the economic development people that are out here, um, when these folks come, we really need something on the east side of town, further east. So,

yeah, in the future. Thanks. Thank you, Council Member Man Freddy. Council Meer Marsh, I think this is a really wise move because our zoning code is much smarter than the county zoning code and much easier to work with, much easier to understand. So, good work. Thank you. Very good. Thank you, Council Marsh. Council member No.

Thank you, Mayor. I I have another question I just thought of as I'm looking at this map. Do we have any ordinances or policies that limit the amount of like gas stations that can be in let's say a square mile or two miles because I see that other empty space all around um the Circle K in particular on Porter and then also on Honeyut and I mean I certainly I agree with Mr. Mr. Man Freddy's assessment of that Circle K and everyone has to agree with that assessment of that Circle K. Number one insane. It's insane.

But and so I think it wouldn't hurt to have another option, but like I don't want another one [laughter] down the street on Honeyut or this way on Porter. So is that a possibility? Like is are those laws possible?

So it's all controlled by zoning. I don't know what those properties are zoned, but if they are zoned commercial, yes, it's possible that you would have another one there. Um there's no policies where you say, you know, we have some where you have distance requirements, for example, from schools or churches, gas stations, you don't have any of those requirements. So, it's really if they think they can make money and it's zoned that way, um they can come. So, really what happened here is when we did our resoning, it we call it Swiss cheese zoning because the county zoning still controls until they come in for reszoning. So that's why you get these city initiated zones because you're right, it's easier for us in the future if they're city zoned. So we ask them to come change it. They don't have to. We ask them. So that's why you get in these. So whether or not you get another gas station here, I would highly doubt

doubt it for the just the sake of um profit, but if it's zoned [clears throat] correctly, it's possible. Okay. And maybe that's just something we can consider as we go forward um in the general plan. Well, the the good news though is there's already people planning stuff in those ones, right? The ones next to Circle K, I don't know, there's like a a car car maintenance place or something. There's a bank I heard in there. There's a restaurant. There's a couple other police places going in there that are not going to be gas stations. I think South is another car wash. I don't know.

Thank you, Council Me Derek. I watch all of the PNZ meetings. I [clears throat] find them to be fascinating. If everyone's looking for late night fascinating things to watch, you learn a lot about our city. Um, and I know that this is not just like um the wall and the landscaping and the flooding. I know that this is not the right time, but I want just to ask the question because I respect P&Z and what questions they asked. the flooding issue. I was satisfied with staff's response that night, but it is something that is addressed in the future plans. Is that correct, Mayor Smith? That is correct. Yes.

All right. We'll see information on that in future plans. Okay. Very good. Thank you. Any additional comments, questions? All right. Do I have a motion? So moved. So moved by Council Member Man Freddy, seconded by Vice Mayor Wade. Any additional comments, questions? All in favor say I. I. Any opposed? That motion carries. Thank you for being here this evening. Thank you. [cough]