Planning Commission - Regular Meeting

meeting for September 15th. It's now in session. I guess we'll start with a call to order. We got a quorum. We don't need to repeat anybody's name. Uh after that I guess we'll get to the invocation and Rhonda has offered to say the invocation. So everybody take a minute, let Rhonda say the invocation.

Thank you, Father God, for allowing us to be here this evening to make the right decisions for our town. Bless our town's first responders, our town mayor, commissioner, town manager, and Mint Hill office staff. Thank you for allowing us to work together making profitable, productive, insightful decisions for Mint Hill. Bless our nation, Lord. Heal our nation. Bring us closer together, closer to you. Bless and protect our lawmakers, our military, our law enforcement, and our citizens in Jesus name. Amen. Amen. Thank you, Rhonda. Thank you.

I guess we'll get first on the agenda is the approval of the minutes from July 21st. Motion to approve. Thank you. Scott has Motion to approve. I hear a second. Second. George is seconded. All those approved say I. I.

Minutes are approved. Additions, deletions, or of the agenda item. Anything. John. Uh, reports of committee members and staff. Got anything on there? Nothing. Okay. Old business. Do we have any old business to discuss? I guess we get to move right into new business. Starting with a discussion recommendation on ZC25-5 filed by Mike McGee for conditional resoning to allow expansion of the shallow True Light Church campus to include classrooms, dorms, living quarters, bunk house, family life center, and 12 residential lots for property located at 8560 Trueite Church Road. tax parcel number 137102-10 and 137102-03. Guess we'll start off by letting the applicant provide a presentation.

Good afternoon. Uh my name is Mike McGee. I have been a member of the Shallow True Life Church for about 54 years. been the minister there for 21 years and uh just some things there as you can see we have we have been blessed with uh a lot of property there over the years we have purchased for use that we use a lot of it in the school that we have there we have about approximately 150 acres on our campus there and we have been looking at it now for the last three years or so what can we do with some of is to help some families and children. That's the goal. What we can do to help somebody that doesn't have the same opportunity or doesn't have what some of us may have. And we started looking at it and we said, "Okay, what can we do to help them seem like a single mom that maybe is homeless or and that's another thing though, homeless in families is way more than what we really think about. Uh, I'm involved with the Union County homeless shelter there. I built the shelter for them. And when we put that thing together, we only did or we thought we were doing a bunch. We had seven units in that facility there that would hold approximately a hundred other single people. And we put seven units in there for families. And that has come up very insufficient because there's more families that for some reason they may lose their home or they may one of the bread men winner may get sick and they can't afford to stay in their home. So they got to have a place to live for a while till we can help them get back. And that's one of the things that what we're looking at is what can we do to help these people uh children and

families is the main thing. The first thing that we've got to have to be able to do that is a place to house them, place for them to live. And we have the campus there. We have a school that's already there that we bring students in. And we also help to train them in several different types of skills. Uh we have carpentry classes, tile classes, masonry classes, uh gardening classes, computer classes. There's just numerous things that we do there with the students that we have and we want to be able to make this available for a lot of other or other people as you can see. I don't know how many it might be but you can see the first thing we got to have is a place for them to live. So that's where we're saying okay we need some living quarters there. Um some of the units if if you could flip it up a little bit so we can see the units there. This is one of the units that we have had designed. It has actually 12 single family units in I mean single bedroomedroom units as a small kitchen, bedroom, bathroom, and a living area there. And that's much bigger than the family areas that we have down in the shelter at Monroe. But anyway, that's one of them. Then uh if you flip to the next one please. That's another unit there that we have designed that will have six units in it and those are two bedroomedroom a bath and a half with a family area kitchen and a small dining area. So these are it's nothing something but one thing that we want to do also is we've been here again that church has been here since 1906. We've been here 120 years almost and looking at our record there, we try not

to do anything to tear down or hurt the community. We just built some homes there on True Light Church Road in the last couple of years. We had some lots there and we built some small units there basically for the same thing. Right now we have over there in that community we have five families refugees from um over Ukraine that has come in here that we're helping them to get on their feet get get a life back again and we want to be able to do this more and to utilize the property that we have there better than what we have in in the past. And we also, as we go on, if you'll flip it back again to the the area, as we go on, it it mentions there bunk houses. We'd also like to have it where we can bring have like a Christian camp out there where they can bring students in or children and have them there for a week or however long and be able to bring them in. We got all that property there to where they can we we're planning on putting some trails, walking trails, just different things there that we can have to be able to bring the children out there, give them a different life, and also teach them about Christ, teach them about that there's something else in this world beside just the natural things. So, we want to help families and children that don't have the opportunity is the main thing that we what we're looking for. Down at the very bottom down there, there is a it shows 12 lots that was just basically a kind of an afterthought as the street comes in down through there. Um, that we will eventually build when we first when we first started. We'll probably use the entrance into the

church there and come on down and come in up at the up at the very top there to bring in the driveway there. But as we as we do develop this and put those uh street in there, there is 12 lots there that we may use at some time to maybe build some small little homes. We're working now with um Wings of Eagles Ministry over in Cabaris County and they're building some little small units like that to where they can bring families out that have uh handicapped children and it may be something that we might do that later. That's way down the pathway. This entire project though is not something that we're planning on just doing immediately. Um, we'll probably start two of these units hopefully within the next year and we'll see how those go, how they get full, and then we'll build a couple more. This project to do the entire thing could probably take 10 years or so. I don't It all depends on how rapid things would happen, but we're not planning on something just jumping into it really, really quick. the family life center that we have there. There's a lot of parking lot spaces around it, but that thing is going to be used basically for the people that would be living there or during when we have some children out for camps would be what the basic part of it would. There may be some other times when we may have some other function there, but that's basically just a a building where they can have to have some indoor fac uh facilities there to have some type of entertainment, basketball, pingpong or you know that type thing, what you'd normally see in a family life center around a church. But that's pretty much the up in the very corner up there. It's kind of looks like a racetrack. I've had some people ask me, "Are y'all putting a racetrack out there?" That's a retention pond is what

that actually is. Uh but for the entire project there. But that uh pretty much covers everything. Derek, is there any questions that you might have for us? Can you state your address, please? My address is 4524 Carer Road. There has been some question u you know about traffic and things and in the very beginning when we started this we were told to do some studies and stuff on that and we have done that and I have my traffic advisor engineer here tonight and I'd like for him to be able to present that to you. So okay.

Okay. Thank you Brady. when he gets finished, I'd like to say a few more words.

Thank you, Mike. Good evening, board. U name is Brady Fininkley. I'm with Kimley Horn and Associates at 200 South Tron Street, Sweet 200, Charlotte, North Carolina 28202. Um, and just a little bit about myself, I um I I grew up in the area. I grew up off Flyers Road in the ' 90s, so I've seen uh the growth here firsthand. um and understand that the traffic um increases we've seen around here. I've been um a I'm a professional engineer. I'm also a road safety professional. Um so an engineer, but also look at uh certified through the through the safety lens as well. I've been practicing in and around Charlotte for about 17 years since 2008. Um and primarily my practice is helping out um on the on the public side um helping out local towns. And so been working with uh with this type of um of facilities and from a traffic standpoint for um for for most the bulk of those 17 years. And so we looked at it from a few different ways. Um number one was from the site trip generation perspective. And then the the second piece would be from the existing street. So True Lake Church Road. And typically when you're looking at the needs for additional turn lanes or additional capacity or safety issues, you usually have a combination of a lot of sight traffic generation and a combination of of that with a lot of traffic on the existing road. And so we looked at it from both ways. Um first off from the from the site trip generation to see first off do we need a study? Um to give you a relative basis, NC DOT typically doesn't require a traffic study unless there's at least 3,000 trips per day. Um Town of Mint Hill does a great job of lowering that threshold quite a bit. So their typical threshold is either a thousand daily trips or 100 peak hour

trips to require a study. All right. Right. So, we ran the trip gen not just for this first phase that Mike mentioned, but for the for the full potential uh buildout that you see on on the screen there. And based on that, the daily projected trip generation is 424 daily trips, 36 a.m. peak hour trips, that's both in and out combined, and 40 PM peak hour trips. Okay. So again, comparing that to the town's threshold of a,000 daily, we're at 424 daily or 100 peak hour. We're at 36 a.m. and 40 p.m. In addition, the town also requires a uh would require a traffic tech traffic technical memorandum if it's if you have at least 15 peak hour trips, which we do not have either. Um, so it uh as Mike mentioned, a traffic study wasn't wasn't needed. Um, another, uh, thing that could be required outside of a typical traffic study is just looking at turn lanes at at your site. And so, NC DOT, regardless of a study, they'll typically look at requiring a turn lane if you have at least 4,000 uh, trips on the on the existing road. So, in other words, Tree Light Church Road had if it was an NCDOT road and had 4,000 daily trips, that might be where they're looking at a turn lane. We did a tube count out there and uh we counted 2,150. So just a little bit over h half the traffic out there. I know a lot of numbers there. So sort of to put that sort of scale that down just a bit. Um from a site trip generation um standpoint, we're looking at in the AM about one car every 6 minutes generated during the highest AM peak hour and the PM one car generated every 2 and 1/2 minutes. Um, we looked at a few different ways and it really doesn't warrant a left turn lane or a right turn lane if you were to run the analysis. And so, um, you know, with

that said, um, we we ended up recommending that, uh, no turn lanes would be recommended and, um, that it also did not meet the town's threshold for a study. Um, I know I ran through a lot of qu numbers out out there for you out there for you, but if you have any questions, definitely happy to answer those. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. I have some questions. So, I don't know if you want to start with some Are they for the traffic engineer? Oh, I'm not a traffic engineer. Well, I mean, because I think Mr. McGee wanted to come back up. I mean, I I do have questions for both. Yeah. So, did you want to speak before we get into the questions? Over here. Pardon me. You can ask both of us, though.

Okay. Okay. Well, since he's here, um I did drive down there this afternoon and I drove over the weekend down there and you're like four stop or four to six cars point of a mile away from a four-way stop and crossing over that four-way stop could be kind of dangerous because you're really close to that four-way stop. And um another concern that I had was that with not having a right or left turn lane and the four-way stop there, that could be a traffic hazard. Not only that, we also have um more communities coming in. So um in the on the street true light as well as right on the corner of lawyers in True Light and GPS generally takes people that direction to get to 485. So that 2,000 or 4,000, you know, threshold that you're talking about, I don't know if that would be substantial.

Could you clarify on what would not be substantial? Well, um, when I when I drove down there, there were more than the cars that you stayed at. Even it was like maybe at 5:45. So I guess that would be considered peak. And it was so it was more than number even at the four-way stop crossing over going down towards Oxford Shire. Right. So crossing at Will Grove Mint Hill. Correct. Yeah. So that that would be traffic that's on Wilgrove Mint Hill and crossing over crossing True Light going on True Light crossing over Will Mid Hill. Sure. So which number would it be higher then? Um what do you mean? Are you I guess you you indicated

I'm saying it's higher. Yes. It was it was quite a bit of cars there driving down through there from the four-way stop. But that would have been in that daily count that we had done. We put a a counter there on that road. Yes. And that would have been in that count that was almost half what the state would require right on that.

And then when you're looking at school buses, so if you're going to have children there, they'll have to go to school. And so with children, you know, they'll need to have a sidewalk or some kind of safety. It's really thin on that road. So that road is very narrow. So the children will need a sidewalk. They'll need a little bit of more safety than just um standing there on the edge there with with children and and bus stops. So that was that was a concern for me just seeing that road. But should I get to the questions now or? Sure. Those were just

Well, I was I was just going to add I guess my question is was when was the traffic count done? Because most of them have to be done during school. That's That's right. Yeah. It was done on August 28th. So that was during school. That's right. CMS had already been and we don't like to count the first week either. So we waited until they were in session for at least a week and and it was on a Thursday I believe. We don't count on Mondays and Fridays. Okay. Yeah. Okay. And you know with school most anyway we'll we'll move on. Should I go to the questions? Sure. Sure. Okay. I mean

um so I was at the meeting on Thursday and you didn't have a time frame yet for the residents. How long the residents would be there at your um compound? The I guess the homeless and the women and children. Do you have a time? That would all depend on how well we could get them acclimated back in to where they can go and make it on their own. Okay. It might be something very quickly or it might be something that might take a year or so. Yes. But what our goal is to be able to help them. Yes. Will they be housed together like the women and the will there be men there on that campus?

There could be either way. Could be, but they would be in individual units. they would not be, you know, housed together on that. Okay? So, women, children, and then homeless men will be on the same campus. We're not talking about just bringing homeless men or homeless women in there just because off the street, this type that's not at all what we're trying to accomplish here. Okay. Um, will there be a curfew for

There will be very heavy rules and regulations involved in this that you will have to be you'll have to be there be no drugs, alcohol, tobacco, all that type stuff on this campus. And you'll do like checks. Yes, ma'am. Okay. And we will we will probably have someone that lives there maybe in each unit. Okay. that manages the thing. There will be somebody. It'll be highly managed.

Okay. Um there are no sidewalks going up True Light Church Road. So there's no transportation. Many people in the community of you know being homeless, they don't have transportation. So how will they get to public transportation? That's another thing what and what we have helped in many cases is to help them also be able to have a car okay where they can get around and we have some vans and things that what we will be able to help them to do that. But if you say that that they don't have vehicles then that takes that traffic count that we're talking about way down. We're talking about already having the traffic count there,

right? But their safety trying to walk up to Oh yeah. Right now that would not be a a good thing because there's no no nothing there. No, I wouldn't. And then even when you get out there to Matthews, I mean Willrove Mint Hill Road, there's not sidewalks all the way down there. So it's not conducive any of that. It's not conducive to walking. Right. But that's something that we would have to help them to have is transportation.

Yes. And then the the students um you don't know how many you'll have but you will have women and children. So with children you have um you know the school I'm not sure if they'll be at Bane or Northeast or you know where they'll be. Our gold is there and that's some of the things we have eventually we have some classrooms there. Our goal is to have a a school on that property. Okay. We already have a state approved school there. Okay. Then we can use in some of our other buildings there that what we can we can uh have classrooms there. Okay.

And our goal is to eventually have it where they go to school right there. They place they can come and live. They can we can help to train them in many things and also teach them their academics. Okay. All right. That's our goal. Okay. That's all I have right now.

Thank you, Rhonda. Anything else you'd like to say, Mr. McGee? Well, the the main thing I just want to say is is that our goal here, and I just that said part of that, our goal here is not to bring in a bunch of homeless people off the street, men and whatever. That's just your standard type thing. That's not our goal. Our goal is to be able to try to help families and children. That's the main thing. and and you know, I'm not going to ever say there may not be a single person because there but it's going to have to be one that's really vetted to come in there cuz we don't want I've I deal with that type at two different locations that I work with now and that's not at all what we're wanting to do here. We want to help to bring something in that's going to be good for the community. And as I was talking to the lady over here at Service Heart, Kim, I don't remember her last name, but she says there is a tremendous need in this area for affordable housing for this type people. And a lot of this they will they won't even be required to have to pay unless they're able to come in and start doing something and then it'll be a reduced amount that they would be able to help to just cover some of the cost on it there. That's that's what we're looking at right now.

Okay. Any other questions? Yeah, I I had a question. So, you were saying that, excuse me, that you would like to have classrooms there and educate kind of bring them through schooling there. But are you going to be transitional or are you going to be because it sounds to me if somebody's going to move in, they have the opportunity to send their kids to school there. That doesn't sound like we're getting them on their feet. It kind of sounds like we're making them more of a permanent residence for them.

Well, that all depends, you know, of what we're actually got. If we have a family there, yes, they can that they get on their feet and they come on. Yes, they can move out and go on and do that. while they're there if we can help them do that. But also if if we have children and there is a tremendous need I have worked and dealt with a church in Greenville, South Carolina, Tabernacle Baptist, and they literally bring young men and girls in that don't have a home, don't have a father or mother even in a lot of cases. Somehow that's all going and they bring them in and they house them there. They've got a very nice facility and they have the school there and everything for it. I've hired several of those people before that has lived in that and that's what as we go through that bunk house maybe could be used for something like that that we could house them and train them give them their classroom everything right there. So, as your campus grows from face to face,

you don't ever see it at a point where you're going to reach that traffic threshold where I'm sorry. You're going to reach that traffic threshold in your mind that you're going to need turn lane. If if it does, then we will, you know, we don't want to do anything that's going to create a hazard out there. And if it gets to where it meets those things there, we'll be happy to take a look at that. in at that time we'd say okay let's do whatever is necessary to do but at the current occupancy you're showing it does not meet that's with all of those buildings that's what he's

based on that plan right there based on those number units those square footages that's on the current plan so if things were to change and you change the plan then I think you probably have to go back through the process and that's where you would look at the need for potential uh traffic study so in the in the dorms or the living quarters Can we go back to that slide? Um, the one that shows this. Yes, sir. Is that a dorm or is that a living quarter? That would just be uh like a dormatory cuz it's one bedroom. It's kind of what we call it. 12. Okay. So, it says

you can call it living quarters dorm. It's 10, but it's showing 12. Right. I was just confused. The the the rendering shows 12 units and that the drawing says 10. I know the drawing is actually wrong. I noticed that too because the the plan is a 12 unit, but the drawing's actually wrong or the the uh on the plan it says 10 unit, but that's what we proposed and sent in. So, is it 10 or 12? 12. 12 is what it would be. Okay. Okay. So, we got 12. Okay. And those are single unit. Single bedroom apartments.

Single bedroom. Yes. Okay. So, they don't have kitchens or they have a they have a a kitchen, bathroom, family area, and a bedroom. Each each one of them separate. That's so it goes back to what her her comment was. There would be no co-mingling there. Right. So it's it's a live alone single one occupant per well it may be a a husband wife

right or it may be somebody that has one or two kids to say in the shelter down there we have like three or four beds in one big room that they use and then they have a lounge area that they all use. But, uh, this could that could very easily be for, you know, two or three, four people. Well, that's kind I guess where I'm kind of getting confused is how you're getting your counts. If you're counting them as beds and it's a single unit, but there could be up to two or three or more living in it. I'm just what

I'm trying to get occupancy in my head as to what our total occupancy is based on what you have here, but I'm hearing there's a potential it could be more than what is shown to me. When I see 10 dorm rooms, I'm thinking one bed, one kitchen, one bathroom, maximum two people. Mhm. And then well if they have kids or so I'm hearing I'm just trying to get straight in my head total numbers. I understand and that's most likely what it's going to be but I don't want it to have to be say was limited to that. Sure

because I wanted to be able to if there is a need that we can help it.

And and that's a great question. We we get that a lot because makes sense, right? trying to understand how do you how do you not know how many trips there's going to be if you don't know how many people are going to be there is basically the question so it institute of transportation engineers which is uh what we base our trip generation projections on it's been used ever since 60s and 70s been collecting samples all across the board they don't actually base their trips off of number of people or even strictly number of units so when we look at multif family um apartments um they look at low-rise mid-rise high-rise separate that way and they can separate it whether or not it's close to a light rail for example, public transit. Yeah.

But other than that, it's it's it's a little bit more generalized because a lot of times when they take their samples, they don't know exactly how many people are in there occupied at a time. So when you extrapolate all that data out, it's really just based off of on average multifamily um units, not bedrooms, but units. And so if all of these were in fact single occupant, single bedroom, the trip would actually be a lot lower even than what we projected here. Basing it off of probably an average of two maybe three bedrooms per apartment apartment. Okay. I have another question. So you're only speaking of the um occupants. What about like employees? You've got maintenance. You've got teachers.

It includes all that. That's right. So think about if uh you know think of an apartment complex off top of your head. The way these trip gens are generated is they would go out and just count how many cars are going in and out of those apartment complexes which would include people that are dropping off or uh food deliveries or truck deliveries. All the trips they whenever we take the samples um to generate these calculations they don't care if a car is there for living purposes or not. It's just based on number of units. this is how many cars it generates. Does that make sense?

I think for me, I'm looking at the current um residents of Mitt Hill, not just those living in the compound. If I were driving across a four-way stop and then having to, you know, yield or stop for someone turning right or left, you know, I just feel like it needs to have a right and left turn lane for our current residents now living in Mint Hill, not just your um compound residents. So, I guess the right turn lane um help me understand how so the four-way stop that's just south of it will grow Hill.

It is right very close to where your location is. So, how would the right turn lane help? Well, because if it's a right turn lane, it's not impeding traffic of those turning right into your your compound. I'm sorry, what are you calling it? I'm saying it wrong. What should I call your campus? Campus. Your campus. Yeah. So those turning right into your campus, it will not impede traffic. If I were going to 485, crossing over Wilg Grove Mint Hill Road, it's a lot of traffic going across there. I'll say based on the accounts that we're projecting here, it it would it would have very minimal impact to existing traffic on uh True Lake Church Road.

And we've got a new community coming in just within a year. So I don't it can quickly change is all I'm saying. It can. Sure.

Okay. One thing I' I'd just like to in ending when you're talking about these turning lanes and del lanes. Um that can cost to do what you're saying to put a right hand and a left hand there would cost anywhere from 300 to four to $500,000 extra to put that in. I do develop and also some subdivisions and that's what it's going to cost extra. If I was building a subdivision, then you can pass that along to the people that's buying the lots there and the homeowner eventually is who's going to end up paying for that. We're not passing this along to anybody. This is money that has been brought in. It's been given to the church to use. And I would certainly appreciate any thoughts that you have along those lines that if it's needed, I want to see it. If it's something that all the statistics say that's not needed, we would certainly appreciate you looking at that because it is extremely expensive. I could build one of those buildings basically for the money that we're talking about to put out there on the road that really there's not a whole lot of people that's going to ever know the difference out there. It would be a little bit but not a tremendous amount. I thank you for your time and if there's no other questions I'll sit down.

Well, you got any questions? Yeah, just a couple McGee. Um, that's a great point. Yes, it's pretty expensive to do that. Um, do you think it would be expensive five years from now? More. Do you think it'll be more expensive? Possibly. What about 10 years from now? Possibly. So earlier you mentioned that it could be a 10-year development plan. But but when but will we ever even at that time will it ever be where we need it even then? So yeah I mean I who knows right the town is growing right and as

we mentioned earlier right we have to look out for the best interest of of all the members of the town. So um just something to consider. Again no one likes spending money. I I totally get it. If you don't have to don't spend it. Um, regarding the units, will they be FHA or ADA compliant? I'm sure that there will be some that will have to be. Uh, now the two stories where there's bedrooms upstairs and they will not, but there will be some in the lower level on the other one that will be handicap compliant. What about the residential lots? Are those going to be owned by the church or will those be

All of this will be owned by the church. There's nothing transferring right now. Nothing. So the individual residential lots will never be sold off individually to That's our plan right now. That's the plan. So I think just something to consider if they ever are sold off because they will be individual single family residences. we're introducing an issue with the um the maintenance of that drive and it being private.

I was under the under the knowledge there that that it wouldn't be private. It would be a public road is what I've been told that Mint Hill would require. So this will be revised. The site plan do what? Will the site plan be revised? No, that that street coming in there would be a public road. Okay. It doesn't say your plan says private. That's why

I didn't know that. I was I was told and I thought it was going to be Hey, we'd like for it to stay private if it cuz it's fine with us, but we could u it'll all be designed and everything just like a public road. And if it doesn't have to be, we'd like for it to be private so that we could control who comes in there and not. So, when you say control, are you suggesting that there would be a gate of some type?

I don't really like gates, but I just like to I would uh we don't even have them on our parking lots of the church. At one time, years ago, we had stuff there and I had them removed because I just I just don't I like to see it open. I like to see people be welcome, but I also like to be able to control who comes in there. there there. And if it's a private road, I can go tell someone that you can't come in here, right? Uh let's see. And I apologize if I didn't attend the meeting, I guess, last week. I aware of that, but um

I'm assuming you've had feedback from the adjacent property owners. haven't had anything other than uh down in Banebridge, someone from their homeowners association was here and he just he didn't really have anything negative. He just he wanted to portray it as a homeless center and he said is that what we need here in Mint Hill and it's I certainly don't want to do it but what I'm talking about I think we definitely need it here. I think that's all the questions I have. All right. Well, I've got a few myself. I guess starting off, I guess that

now that you say private, if it's going to be a public, it's kind of like I had a conversation with somebody today on the phone how those little fine details, they change the dynamics of many things. So, for me, I'm just looking at this and I'm thinking, if it's a private road, are you going to master meter all this stuff? Are are y'all going to pay all the utility bills and provide all the provide private sewer laterals and private water?

No, all that'll be it'll it will be on uh county sewer and water. All of it will. And if we put it in if it continues all the way on those lots and as I said before, those lots were just an afterthought. They're they're halfacre lots. They're, you know, basically by right. It's not a We're not trying to bring higher density or anything there. We're just bringing that road in. And the guy was drawing it. He said, "Let's just put these lights there. We may use them sometime, but that's not on the horizon right now." He just put them on there.

Okay. Cuz if there's any potential for this to be sold off, then it changes the dynamics of everything. You know, that's what I was asking. as far as I can tell as in my lifetime and I don't think it' be anything else that that would be sold. But again, going back, are you going to have is everybody going to get free water? Are you going to be sending them a water bill? If if if you do it on those lots, they would have individual meters and individual because you

but the individual meters would require it to be a public road. And if it's a public road, now you're talking about a subdivision, which kind of gets back to what you said earlier that, you know, that adds to the people that are buying subdivisions. But this is kind of to me, if we don't comply with those same requirements that subdivisions have to comply with, then we're kind of doing a workaround and endound to the whole subdivision.

You talking about you talking about the building of the street? Well, if if there is the potential for these 12 lots to be sold off in the future, if they're individually metered, first thing they've got to have the water and sewer system has to be in a public rideway. So, the roads have to be public roads. I'm I'm You probably have way more knowledge than that. Everything that I do normally has a public right away on it. So I I guess that's true, but I don't I have not uh which kind of gets back to what you had said earlier about, you know, subdivisions, they have to do it,

but and you know, it's commendable. I it's it's a great plan and then I I think it's a great idea. Whatever I can tell whatever has to be done on that to make it right, that will be done. So if it was a subdivision and a subdivision had to do a right turn lane or something, then that would be the same application to you. That would be if if you were doing a subdivision. We're not you can just take those lots off of there if it's going to create that big of a issue because that's not something that we're trying to Yeah. I'm just looking at it from your perspective. If you're going to meter each one of these lots, then you have to put in a public road.

Okay. to do the sewer, the sewer system going to them has to be a public sewer system because those could be sold off and that's just the rules of of today with water and sewer. So that's why I was kind of just clarifying that it says private on the plan. But I guess whether or not if it's private or public is a pretty critical item we need to clarify tonight to make a recommendation one way or the other. As far as I'm concerned, you can say it's public as far as that goes. Okay.

If you and leave those lots there or uh because that was my understanding that it it had to be a public road. Yes. Well, I mean you could I guess that was what I was own and operate them all yourself and treat it like I don't know. I'm trying to think of a what would that be, John? I don't know how public. Well, what kind of a development would house people and let them stay, but it wouldn't it would be owned by one entity. It's kind of like free free rental property or something. I don't know what you would call that, what classification that would put this in.

Good, good question. I don't know. Um, but I do like this conversation because we we definitely need to nail down if this is public or private. Would he prefer private or is he okay with public or to take off the whole phase? Because I already see some issues because this went through all the review as a private street cross-section which will never meet our standards

and they are also using a swell that yeah they may be getting credit for their storm water uh for their BMP. Of course, if it's a public street, which is it sounds like that's what he intended it to be. Now we're talking about a different type of street. Now we're talking about streets, sidewalks, you know, more asphalt and street trees and all the requirements that the town has. Um, so yeah, we need to know for sure need to know this. Uh, the public or the private. Um, and I was going to say a couple other things about the subdivision itself. Um, the Yeah, if if it's public, that kind of answers the question. We just need to look at a new standard to make sure that the county reviewed it knowing now there's going to be curb and gutter instead of a swell. We need to make sure that's cleared up. And as far as the lots go, if this plan is ultimately successful, they would still have to come back for subdivision approval. Even if it was a private street, even if he prefers to keep it private and the board blesses that, they still would have to come back for subdivision approval. So if that phase comes up in a you know five I think you said it was one of your later phases if you ever get to it.

They never get back. Right. Right. So in that case I mean really it it they would have to come back. We we would not allow these lots to be recorded until they come back through and get planning board authorization. Yeah. Private or public. Yeah. And in in which case like I said I this does not comply with what we

Yeah. So, it would have to be private, but if it's going to be private, you can't put a public water system and meter it to each lot because Charlotte Water won't allow water and sewer systems in private rideaways. It has to be a public rideway for Charlotte Water to have a meter, which would require you to have your own water system that you you could meter each one,

but that's going to require you to be a public water system approved through the state because now you're buying and selling water. or or even that uh as far as that goes. And we do some of that now uh where people live there and we pay the water bills and you'd just be all one big water bill there over the whole thing. Yeah. And you could master metering. Right. That's what I was saying. But there would no be no meters at each individual. Well, if we're not selling it, if we're not selling it, it doesn't really make any difference. Right. And we're not don't have any intention of selling that. Okay. But you I mean I I thought you had said that you were going to put meters at each unit.

Well, I was just thinking as a developer if I got lots down through there, you'd put a meter and stuff on each one. But if what you're saying if that's a private street and they don't do it, run the water in there and put it on each building and we pay the master meter and that's it. Okay.

That's what we would do and leave it private and go ahead. Okay. And I guess my other question is I'm just trying to understand I think all your traffic counts are going to be not that it's going to make a difference, but if we got these dorm units are actually 12. It looks like all the traffic counts were based off of 10 units whereas actually so that 38 will go up to 40. Yes. We we had assumed 38. So that was the case it would be 40. So, it would increase it probably from 36 to maybe 37 a.m. trips and 40 to maybe 41 p.m. trips. Yep.

Yeah. Cuz I think the town had had gotten Dave Naylor to do a trip generation and it it I don't know if that would put it over the thousand daily trips if they did that because they came up with a different number Dave Naylor did. Yeah. So my understanding was that they looked at the is it family life center is that that what we're calling the building?

Yes. Um so at there's only certain number there's a lot of them but land use codes you can apply these to um my understanding was that that tripg gen ran that as like a YMCA basically a healthclub facility which through a description it talks about how those typically have daycarees basketball courts saunas gym memberships all that kind of stuff and so um that's clearly not what would be the the case here. My understanding is that that facility probably wouldn't even really generate external traffic because it will be utilized by the residents on site.

So, which kind of leads into my next one. I was just trying to understand the classrooms. I mean, you got to understand that when we make a recommendation, whatever is shown, you could com it might imply something different, but if the word says it's a classroom, then well, I can have classes and I can have students coming in every day. I don't know. That's just the way we have to look at it. So, I was just trying to understand the whole bunk house and classroom concept. I I can understand the living quarters, the dorms and and the family life center, but I was just trying to understand the the boys and girls bunk house and the classrooms is

that the classrooms would be could be for both of those things. As I mentioned while ago about the church in Greenville that has a facility there that they bring in children and boys and girls and they have them separated in different things and each one will have a a bed and a little area there in that room. It may we might use that at some time. But my first thoughts is now is where that we'd be coming in with like a summer camp where kids come in there for a week at a time or however long and that there'd be a a bunk room there for boys and one for the girls. And the classrooms, that's something that's down the road. Also, as I said, we have classrooms in some of our other buildings. And it was just that if you need it, if you think you might want it put in here, put that on the plan is what I was instructed to do. And that's what eventually we may need some more classrooms there and we just put it on the plan to do that.

So would that be kind of con or are you talking about making it like a school that people would show up at 8:00 in the morning and parents would come pick their kids up? Well, it's in the afternoon or be mainly for students that's there that's living there is the main thing it would be right and you and when you say the main thing I can appreciate that and it maybe it's intended but that's what I was getting at that whatever we approve if it says a classroom then you can turn it you can start bringing kids in at 8:00 in the morning and

parents come and picking them up which I think would change the dynamics of the TIA and And it could and as I mentioned earlier, if we go in and they do certain things when we build this, if it changes those things, we'll be glad to take a look at it and and comply with whatever you feel like.

Okay. Well, I guess what I'm getting at is there's the potential for this to become much more substantial. And kind of going back to what we had said earlier about just a right turn lane, if that alleviates some of the concern, it seems, as you said, that if a subdivision goes in, especially if you turn these into potential lots that you could sell off, then why wouldn't we comply with those same rules? But we're not not putting lots in to sell off and we're not going to be generating the same amount that what a subdivision would be generating.

Well, I think to John's point, I guess if that's going to have to come back through subdivision and require would require the roads to be redone. Uh, so I don't think there's the potential, correct me if I'm wrong, John, that they could that that could ever come back and get us if they did want to switch this over. They'd have to rebuild the roads, redo everything.

Well, we we just need to be very or excuse me, at least the board of commissioners needs to be very clear on what they're approving. I mean, at the end of the day, you let's say it is 10 years from now, they come back, they're going to bring this plan to staff here 10 years from now and say, "I'm ready to do it." And whatever you guys lock in with this approval, that is what they're going to be entitled to do. I mean, what what I was referring to earlier as far as them coming back through a subdivision process, I mean, that that's just a process. It won't change anything. we won't have another crack at, you know, well, now we think we should do a new TIA because that in of itself would never qualify. So, you know, we don't have that. This would just be the process that I was referring to. They have to come back and get the official subdivision approval. So, I guess the question to you is because it sounds to me like we could potentially recommend approval of this based on the fact that there's restrictions that these lots could never be sold off,

right? We could Is it better said to just solely base it on phase one? Whatever decision we made, it's just based on phase one. Is that does that simplify it or am I overthinking that? Well, phase one would be just the 24 dorm room dorm units and the 18 living quarters in the the road. Yeah. And the access road.

But again, that's a question for you, Mr. McGee. Is that okay that you're going to pay for all their water and sewer and or I don't know about electricity but water and sewer because if we approve this as a private road you cannot meter understand each unit

and if if we would do that I'd say yes. We just did Iscon and they had to have a right and left turn lane and they are house of worship as well. So I just think it should be the right turn lane needs to be there for our current residents in Mitt Hill. We should not have to be impeded in traffic because we don't know what the numbers will be. Yeah. And I I hear what you're saying as far as the cost of it. I don't think a right turn lane is going to approach those numbers. Yes, sir. Just for the right turn lane.

No, I would agree. It's basically the same as a left. I would agree. Well, I don't think you're going to need to acquire any rat I think you got plenty of rataway there. I don't even Is there is there even a right away there? A lot of times you go into and there's not even a rightway on a lot of these roads. Well, your plan says it's 60 foot of right away and it may be, but when you get into it, is that actually there? Yep. I'm I'm very familiar with that one, too. Yeah.

Yes. Okay. Well, and then I think the the one last thing I I looked at, not that this is this will probably You haven't been through technical review with Meckham County. You've been through the sketch plan review. Yes, sir. But the SDE, you're going to have to provide a rideway for access to that pond that goes all the way out to a public rideway if this is a private road. I don't have the engineer here tonight. I can't tell you what all

that's quite all right. They just showed that SDE storm drain easement extending to your private drive, but that will have to go all the way out to True Light Church Road. They can just include the private road as an SDE, right? But then there's restrictions on an SDE that might impact what you want to do with it. I'm sure that that's why I use engineers to make all that happen. All right. I don't have any other questions. Anybody else?

Do we want to Does somebody want to try to I don't even know how we would motion. Yeah. I'm trying to figure out um are we going to motion it by phases? Are we going to do the whole plan.

Definitely the right

I don't know how you would carve out I mean a motion for just phase one cuz that includes the road coming in. I mean, I I still think we don't want to make the same mistakes I've seen made living in this town all my life is that well, it's never going to happen. And guess what? It happens. Um, you know, I see it on roadways, I see it on utilities, I see it on, you know, almost everything that affects us. Um, is the the whatif is never going to happen. Um, so I I would think at the bare minimum we would want the right hand turn lane but I would be okay with that if we're doing phase one.

Be okay with not without the right turn. No, with the right hand turn lane and not having a left hand. Yeah. For just phase one. But if we're going to approve that they could do phase two, phase three, phase four based on this. Well, sorry. Go ahead, John. I'm looking for guidance, but yeah, this this is a tough one because um because technically the proposal is the multi-phase plan, favorable or unfavorable. Uh that that's what makes this difficult. I I and I think that's a reasonable request to say just the phase, but I'm trying to think how you could even carve out the motion to the board to say we like it, but only one phase. Well,

because that's not what they're asking. They're asking for all five phases. So, right. That almost kind of leans you towards just saying unfavorable, but maybe with the caveat of right and left. Yeah. You're you're receptive to the phase one. Or the applicant could also, this is between y could come back with a phase one plan if that is something y'all wanted to look. Well, and I'm not ne necessarily saying just phase one. That just was what was brought up. Yeah. I'm just

But is it in a better light to say as the plan stands now unfavorable recommendation or is it let's look at you know one or two of the phases or or take the the subdivision piece out or or whatever and bring it back to the board for a full approval. I I don't know. H

how about this? Um, if if you could figure out a way to put this in words into your motion, I wonder if you could accept it with the condition that the phases basically phase two to what five two to four has to come back for conditional reasoning. So that would be kind of a way to still pass along that favorable recommendation, but give the board the opportunity to have that discussion of, hey, we do like phase one. You you seem to have much more certainty about phase one. A little vague on the other phases. You're not sure even when it's going to happen. So just come back for those when you have all your when you're ready. So maybe that's a way to kind of

I guess tee it up for the commissioners. And that way, well, I don't want to see it go either way. I don't want to say, okay, you're going to do this full-blown p plan and we didn't accommodate for the road and it gets to a situation where it's like he said 10 years down the road and now you're really paying for it. The other side of that is I don't want you to spend the money if you go through with this and whatever happens in phase one is the only thing that gets done you know. So it's it's I don't want to be unfair to you and I don't want to be unfair to the town.

I appreciate that. Now you could you can tie road improvements to so on a multi-phase plan that is fair game to tie improvements that you think might be necessary maybe not now with the first phase but phase three we think it's needed by then. So you can have trigger points to say by phase four or by the end of phase three you have to you have to have a turn lane in if that is what you're proposing. And what about sidewalks? I mean the sidewalk is normally required on the frontage so we didn't that's not in there either. Yeah. So I put that in memo and that's a standard requirement. You always sidewalk your frontage. Um

and of course if he changes this to a public street that changes that too cuz now we got sidewalk on that. So yeah, that um yeah I yeah the public street thing needs to but I thought we went back to where we were just going to do it leave it as a private street and if we metered it it'd just be a master meter for all those lots if that is even ever done. But if you know if you could do something like what you were just talking about put it where could you

I'm sorry if um you know if it you went after phase three then put in the the turn lane if those things because I don't know if we'll ever even get to that at this time. We could just tie it to conditional zoning after phase one. So if you're going to go to a sec a second phase, you're going to have to come back if you go to a third phase instead of saying that phase three you have to do it or phase four you have to do it. That's right.

That's right. And that does allow staff to to to have that ability because obviously they have to pull permits for that phase two which we would know there was an condition adopted on this plan says by phase two you have to put in turn lanes. So that would be our opportunity to say, "Okay, no permit until turn lane is done or bonded or you know, we would work out some." So hopefully you know that my my it's a great idea. We're I'm really trying to look out for you because I've I deal with these hurdles on a daily basis and you I don't want you to think you get you're getting something you're not

and don't realize all the challenges you're going to deal with down the road. That's really all I'm trying to I apologize, but I really think the right turn lane needs to go in whether it's phase one, two, three, or four. I really think it's busy down there. It's four-way stop right there and it will impede traffic even with the construction. And that's just mine. Excuse me. I I just wanted to clarify because it would be an important point when we when we're talking about the turn lanes, which which driveway are we talking about

going into your campus. So, going on True Light Church Road going away from Will Grove Mint Hill Road at that four-way stop, you're like seven cars down before you turn right. So if if there are seven cars driving on True Light Church Road, they will be impeded go with one of your vehicles going into onto your private street or public street, whatever you That's going the opposite way. So that because the the the last two question the because the the four-way stop is south of here, right? So the right turn is would be traffic going north. That would be pulling people away from northbound traffic. The

southbound traffic would be the queue. traveling on True Light Church Road towards 485. Right. Okay. So, you're turning right into your campus. Correct. That's where the turn lane needs to be. What? Which driveway? So, the existing driveway or whichever one that you will be using to go into your campus. So, because there's there's two there's two existing driveways and then there would be a new one that would not be in in phase one. Is that my understanding?

That was what we were talking about earlier, but In addition to put to put some more numbers to it for the right turn lane, we're really talking about some really low numbers. So this is for the all the full buildout. Full build out, we're talking 24 total trips that are going into the site. Now let's say 60% come from the south, 40% come from the north. 60% of 24, let's say that's 15. So you have 15 cars going in. That's one every four minutes turning in there on a road. That is barely half of what a typical volume threshold that NC DOT would even require a turn lane. So we're talking about one car every four minutes turning right in when you you would have three driveways in this scenario. And so if we're talking about phase one, we're talking about one car every 8 minutes

or so. sir, but I have to look out for the residents currently in Mint Hill. And I've, like I said, I've driven there. I drive down through there all the time. There's GPS uh putting people onto True Light going to 485 all the time. And so that's where my mind is. And I really think it's a great plan. I'm not against the plan at all because some a lot of people are one or two paychecks away from that. But we also have to look at our current uh residents and Mint Hill is growing. It's growing very fast and it's just not fair for us not to do this now.

Understand. I just wanted to put the numbers out there. Um one other thing that Y was mentioning earlier and I've seen this again. I work with towns growing towns all around and when we you see a plan like classroom we talked about earlier but this being conditional resoning you could put some correct me if I'm wrong. I think you can put conditions on what that meaning could be, right? So, if you're concerned, you know, with the concern, if we just approve this plan that says classrooms, we're hearing now that's not meant to be a typical show up, drop your kids off 8 a.m., which would be a much different traffic pattern than what we're talking about here, then you could put, you know, probably work out some conditions to to put that in there. And so if that use were to change to go against whatever conditions in there to protect you from that, that's a way that I've seen. I'm not an attorney, but I've seen land use attorneys work with boards to sort of put some kind of conditions in there like that. Do we feel do we feel like we can come up with an approach or because I guess what I'm thinking is it it's just getting really muddy now.

Yeah, this is and I'm thinking to myself, would it be better to come back after you've thought through this stuff about the public private classrooms all that stuff? Would it be better to so that it makes it more easier for us the planning board to understand? Because right now what I'm seeing is everybody's kind of it's getting a little muddy and things are unclear as to what it is that you want to do in the full buildout. Not that we don't like it because like I said, I like it. But basically what what I see is a real hangup is about the street out there. Is that not what

True Light Church? Yeah. Putting the turning lanes in because if you do that then it's going to take care of all these projects here or all these buildings that we're talking about. Yes. So that's that's really the point that we're I mean I Yeah. I think Well, can I make a comment? I think

the intent here is the overall property, right? The conditional resoning of the property. Just forget about the phases. What we're what we're proposing, yeah, 10 years from now, whenever the full development is finished, we that need may arise the the the traffic impacts. I think for your benefit, it's a good plan, but I think I think I would revise this plan to show just phase one and the conditional reszoning of the property relative to phase one. That would be my opinion.

I I appreciate what you're saying, but it's taken me three years to get it to this point. I don't want to when I get ready to build another building, it take me three years to come back through all the hoops that I've got to jump through to get this. We've been dealing almost three years to try to get it to this point. And that was where we were instructed in the beginning. Okay, what you let's figure out a way to to go ahead because these are buildings that I feel like needed. And it may take us a few years, but I think we'll get to that. and how can we get to that and be good neighbors and and keep Mint Hill as a good place to live and to work and to come to church. I I I I don't disagree. Again, as a master plan, I think it shows the overall intent, but in my opinion, the question today is the conditional reasonzoning for what's going to be built, not what could be built.

Right. and right and and FA and and so that relies to that applies to phase one and and that's where all the questions are, right? Do we make it a public road or do we make it a private road? I'm saying just leave it as a private road, right? Because I don't think that's going to ever This is basically a driveway going in there to that, but that will be built basically like a road. I mean, it's not going to be just a, you know, asphalt put out out there like a driveway. It'll be built as a road, but if you ever make it a public, you wanted to make it a public road to sell these lots off, then you would have to redo it. Well,

and come back through subdivision. But it it'd have to go through all that kind of thing. But the the streets going to be probably built to the same type specs. Well, you're using roadside swailes, right? I don't think roadside swailes are an acceptable street. Okay. So, that's fine. That's why that's why I'm saying I understand. Okay. It's [Music] Anybody else? Any more questions? Any more concerns? Do we have a Do we want to try to compile a motion

based on what we've said? It favorable with a sidewalk required on property frontage and right turn lane. Well, I guess we have to vote. I think that would be the your Yeah, your motion. But that's what your motion would be. is I'm going to make the motion. How about you make the motion? Scott up to that.

Yeah. I'm just trying to All right. So, if we're going to do a favorable recommendation for phase one only with a right-hand turn lane and sidewalk on the road frontage of True Life. Yes. Church Road. Can I make a or say one more thing? Yes, sir. You're going to say we got to have the turning lanes. Why wouldn't we just go ahead and approve the entire thing? Well, because that doesn't

If that's going to be part of that doesn't bring the left-hand turn lane in. Do what? That doesn't bring the lefthand turn lane in. Yeah, the right the left-hand turn lane to your point earlier can get rather expensive. That's why I was saying a right-hand turn lane is not and I think the traffic engineer may be able to verify that the right just a right-hand turn lane is not nearly as expensive as doing a it's no I mean depending on what the utilities right away that kind of stuff but typically the left turn lane you got to shift the through lane taper over in advance um both ways the right turn lane you just got to build the right turn pocket um so typically right turn lanes are are less expensive yeah it's just a 150 50 f feet long with a taper at most.

That's right. So that's just some asphalt. Yeah. I will say about the left turn lane. I mean still the the numbers don't show them being warranted. But if we were to put a left turn lane there in the future as you're thinking about this that would then create an issue at the existing driveway because the length of that left turn lane and then you're tapering it over that your taper would actually be around the location of the existing main driveway. So now you're kind of turning in and out of the the existing church driveway through a a a transition taper which is confusing for drivers and can actually be less safe. Um so we'll mention that

but I think to your point if we just approved it that becomes kind of kicking that can down the road. Yeah. I I mean I'm really at a I want to give them a favorable recommendation but I don't think we can give them a favorable recommendation on the master plan as it is.

If we back it back to phase one. I don't think in at least mine and Rhonda's mind that gets rid of the right hand turn lane and then the sidewalk. Now, how that equates to the left-hand turn when you get to phase two or when that gets enacted or phase three, four, five or whatever. Um, you know, I I I don't want to send this say we're just not going to give a recommendation and send you back to the drawing board. I don't think that's right either. Um, obviously phase one is the is the first piece you're looking to do and you know which which would have an impact to to the the town immediately if you could be able to get started on it. So John, I'm not just sure how I want to word the recommendation. Um,

so you've made the mot you made a motion. I'd like to make a motion. Okay. I can make it if you want with the right turn lane and the front sidewalk frontage. Yeah. I just want to be sure we're getting everything in the language that needs to be for phase one only. For phase one only. For phase one only. So, it would be simple enough to say a motion for a favorable recommendation for phase one with a right-hand turn lane and sidewalk on true light. read the

because you get does he need to read the first part first and then tack on those conditions. I want to kind of clear up that mo I mean yeah that's the motion. Yeah we have a second if you want to second. I'll second it second. You have further questions and a motion for read that. No, we don't. We don't have to read that. Do we not need to read this? Yeah, we So now that it's going to now you're passing a recommendation on you, the planning board will always include that consistency statement of recommendation.

But do we have to read the consistency statement in? Uh, I mean, you can kind of at least breeze through it, summarize it. Sure. You don't have to read all of it. Yeah.

So, ZC 25-5 appears to be consistent with the adopted land use plan, which designates the subject property as part of an institutional campus. The land use category supports a mix of functions related to the complimentary uses in this case associated with an existing church campus. So, you're making the motion for that with the conditions of the installation of a right turn lane on True Light Church Road and sidewalk along True Light Church Road for phase one only.

Correct.

Having said that, I guess now we have to vote. All those in favor I say I I those opposed passes with the favorable me recommendation with the condition stated. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.

So now we got to move on to the next thing. On to the next one, we have the discussion recommendation on ZC25-7 filed by Nicholas Brford for conditional resoning to allow an existing building to be used as a bank with drive-thru service for property located at 6849 Matthews Minhill Road, tax partial number 13538175. You can state your name and address, please.

Hi. Hello. Yes. Uh, my name is Nicholas Bradford. I work at 1520 South Boulevard, Sweet 200, Charlotte, North Carolina. I'm representing here representing P our client PNC Bank. Um referencing the um property at 6849 Matthew Mint Hills Road. Um and yes, like you said, it's proposed to be a retail bank with a drive-through ATM. Um can you go to the next slide, please? So, the location of this site, it's just down the road from town uh town hall. It's right across from the uh library near the Harris Teter. Um can you go to the next slide, please? Thank you, sir. Uh currently it is a vacant um restaurant drive uh fast food restaurant. Um it was previously a Wendy's. Um it's in the zoning uh uh over or the current zoning is BG with a a a downtown overlay district. Um so uh financial institutions are allowed. Um uh but the conditional use for the the Wendy's drive-thru was uh for a uh restaurant use only. Um, so, uh, currently the drive-thru is like, I'll talk a little bit about it while we have it up here. The drive-thru wraps around facing, uh, Highway 51. Um, a single uh, lane drive-thru there. Uh, and so if you go to the next slide, please, John. Thank you, sir. So, our proposed uh our proposed site plan will be to have the same transaction point on the building as before. Uh but instead

of a uh a drive-through window, it will have uh a drive-through ATM and an after hours deposit. Um the cash transaction window will be um removed and and uh filled in. Um and uh we will provide landscaping uh in what is currently the portion of the drive-thru that faces Highway 51. Cars stacking uh would be on the rear of the building uh on the parking lot side of the building going back towards Tutor Street. We don't anticipate more than uh three or four cars typical um uh stacking at the drive-thru for the bank. Um that's generally what we see. Um uh if next slide, please sir. Uh and then architectural changes to the building would be minimal. We're keeping uh the brick facade that uh is typical of the character of downtown Mint Hill. Um uh we would be repainting the awnings. Uh we will be uh refinishing any of the metal uh exterior metal pieces like uh trim down spouts, ballards that are rusty or uh in need of maintenance. And um uh we would be replacing all of the existing uh currently right now there are light fixtures mounted on the building that have like a shepherd's crook uh fixture with bright red uh with like a cone on it. Uh we would be replacing those with a a simple black cylinder light uh a little bit more understated of a look. And uh if you go to the next slide, this is just more of our elevations for the building. Um this is on the bottom.

That's kind of the side that would be facing Highway 51. Um and that's it for us. Any questions or comments? George, you want to go first? Yep. Uh how many ATMs uh for the drive-thru? Yeah. Uh one ATM drive-thru. Yeah. And an after hours deposit. So like a night drop. Is there a reason why you wouldn't consider two if you have two transaction windows? I see you're infilling the first one.

Correct. Yeah. Uh typical for for these is uh for PNC is just a single bank. I mean just a single ATM and after hours deposit uh through wall on the building. Could you remove that first awning? I guess what purpose would that serve if if you left that awning there?

Right now, the the purpose would just correct. It wouldn't be necessary for that. The part of the portion of the wall does jut out a bit um from from the wall behind and above it. So, the awning does serve a bit as a roof of that that jut out element of the building. I would just recommend if if we could remove that, that would be just a recommendation um if it's possible. Uh the other thing on the site plan, the pergola structure out front, this may be nitpicky for the town. Um I think two of those columns have big W's on them.

Yeah. Yeah. I would recommend kind of swapping that out for either a MH or a PNC or Yeah. No. Uh that's something we are talking uh with the landlord about the development. Okay. Yeah. And he seems favorable to it as well. So we can look into that. I don't think I have any questions. Thank you. George, would you like to go?

Um, I just had a question about the drive-thru. Um, with the ATM, it's really tight going through there when it was Wendy's. Will you keep it exactly the same or will you open it up a little? The drive-thru? I'm I'm not sure if you've gone through that drive-thru. If you ever go through that drive-thru, you cannot get out. You're talking about the portion that goes around the building facing Matthew Mhills Road. Yes. Is that the that portion of the drive-thru will be going away and we'll be uh replacing it with landscaping? Yes, ma'am. There's no bypass lane there. Now, currently, uh there is room for a bypass lane. Um

if you're looking at uh the the landscaping plan, the planting, you can see north of the building, there is room for the drive lane and then also a bypass lane. Okay. Um between the building and that uh concrete strip. That's our our plan is to have the because the car stacking is going to be so much less than like a Wendy's would be. Yes. Uh like I said, we're looking at three or four cars. Um we're looking at just stacking on the parking lot side of the building and then uh having a bypass lane there as well. Okay. Yes, ma'am. That's everything.

Thank you, Ronda. Scott, I don't have any questions. So, I guess mine kind of just piggybacks off of Rhonda's. So, that the parking lot itself is not going to be I mean, y'all are leasing this building, correct? Yes, sir. Okay. So, the parking lot itself that's out there will serve What will the parking lot serve? The the bank the the parking lot that's on our parcel would still uh serve the bank. Okay. So, that's I mean it's quite a bit of parking. I don't think Yes, sir. excessive, but okay. So, you'll have the access. Are they going to restripe any of that to help guide?

Oh, for the for the drive-thru? Yes, sir. There will be restriping for the drive-thru. Currently, there is some striping delineating uh the drive-thru and a a bit of a bypass lane, but we would be uh fixing that and uh and showing the striping going around and curving back up towards Tutor Street to capture the the cars. Okay, sir. That's really all I had. Any other discussions? Um and it's walk up as well. You can walk up into the building from the front.

Oh, yes, ma'am. The building. Yes, you can enter the building and there's it's a full service bank uh employing about five people. Um there's a walk up ATM and a vestibule. There is uh a teller line. There will be several offices. So, it's a full service bank. Okay. Full service for six days a week. Uh yes, ma'am. Six days a week. So, Monday through Friday it is uh 9:00 a.m. to 2 I'm sorry, 9:00 a.m. to 6:00 p.m. Saturday it's 9:00 a.m. to 2 p.m. 2 p.m. Okay.

Make a recommendation. I laughing. favorable.

All right. Uh, I'll just read what it says. Uh, ZC25-7, the request to change the use of the existing building appears to be consistent with the adopted land use plan, which designates the subject property as part of downtown. The land use category supports a broad range of uses. But you meant to lead that off with you'd like to make a favorable I'd like to make a favorable recommendation. Recommendation. Excuse me. That's all right. Yeah. Second. All in favor? In favor? I I passes. Thank you very much.

You guys agenda. What's up agenda?

I think the only thing we've got left is any other business, John. No, sir. Anybody like to make the motion we adjourn? I'd like to make a motion for us to be adjourned. I'll second. All those in favor? I mean, all right. Thanks God.