Planning Board - Regular Meeting

I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Hello. Welcome everyone. We'll begin by reviewing the draft minutes of our previous meeting. I make a motion to approve the minutes from our September meeting. Would a member second? Second. Thank you, Patricia. All in favor?

I. So, approve without amendment. We'll review the agenda as posted on the town website. going to begin with 16 East Road seeking two area variances followed by uh Husk Road sign variance. We have three new business applications to consider tonight. The first is 538 Mcznney A extension area variance followed by 318 Plank Road area variance. Lastly 103 Creger Lane also an area variance and AJ Signs company asked to be on uh the agenda for next month. Okay. The first item of business on the agenda is a public hearing for 16 East Road. The zoning board will open the public hearing on this application. I'll ask um the applicants representative to come forward and just give a brief overview of the project. Have there been any changes since we last met in September? Um no ma'am. Um the application everything is as proposed initially. Nothing has changed. The deck and perlar not attached. Um the setback I believe you have the plot plan maybe before you. the one uh I was looking at the I guess years ago part of that bank had caved in. So then the

state came in and took part of that. Currently, you can see um I guess the lines with X's is significantly out away from the building, but they've the state has moved their right away, so to speak. And I think it shows approximately 18 feet from the proposed deck. Um I can't remember what was required, I'm sorry. and then about seven feet from the furthest intruding corner of the pergola. But everything else is is has stayed the same. Nothing has changed on that. Okay. Yeah. Thank you. Okay.

Yeah. So, sit down and we'll have a public hearing and we'll go from there. Great. Okay. Thank you. So, like that the public hearing is um open. will note that um the notice of the public hearing was published in the Troy record, was placed on the town sign board, was posted on the town website, and was mailed to all owners of adjacent property within 300 ft of the project.

Notice of public hearing. Notice is hereby given that a public hearing will be held by the zoning board of appeals of the town of Brunswick at 6 p.m. on Monday, October 20, 2025 at the Brunswick Town Hall, 336 Town Office Road, Brunswick, New York 12180, concerning the application submitted by Richard Ambuski for two area variances in connection with the installation of a pergola and wood deck on property located at 16 East Road. The application requests two area variances for rear yard setback. Copies of the application are available at the Brunswick Town Hall and are available for public inspection during regular business hours. All interested persons will be heard at the public hearing.

Thank you, Andy. Anyone would like to speak for or against this application, you're welcome to come up and do that. In the meantime, I'll ask the building department. Kevin, have you received any written comments on this application? I have not. Okay, thank you. And we'll also note that Wler County Bureau of Economic Development and Planning has acted and determined that the proposal does not have any major impact in the county and that local consideration shall prevail. Are there any questions from any of the zoning board members? No. Okay. So, hearing no public comment, I make a motion to close the public hearing. Would a member second? Thank you, John. All in favor? I

the public hearing portion of this application is closed. The zoning board members are prepared to deliberate and act on the application. We'll note that is a type two under seeker as a residential. So no further seeker determination is required. The zoning board members are asked to explain how no undesirable change will be produced in the character of the neighborhood nor detriment to the neighboring properties created by granting the area variances. I'll begin by saying that the proposed pergola and freestanding deck are consistent in the character of this lovely east road neighborhood. The addition of the two features would enhance the applicant's enjoyment of their outdoor living space and would not be a detriment to nearby properties as they are proposed to be located in the rear of the home and woods screening is proposed to block the view from East Road. The rear property line butts the slope to route two alensk road. Then we're asked to explain whether the benefits sought by the applicant cannot be achieved by some method feasible for the applicant to pursue other than the requested area variances.

Really no other location on the property because of the collapse of property and change right away. This is the only location that

Yeah, thank you John. I'm agree with that. And the board's asked to explain whether um this requested area the requested area invariances are substantial. We'll note that the property is located at an R40 zoning district on a 0.8 acre lot. We're seeking two rear setbacks. The freestanding deck requires 25 ft. What's being proposed is 18 with a relief of 7 feet. And the pergola what is required is 25 feet. Again what's being proposed is seven with a relief of 18 feet. I think noting that it's in the rear of the property. Um the well screened from neighboring properties and to your point John about the um the slope collapse that was experienced that is not substantial. And the zoning board members are asked to explain how the proposed area variances will not have adverse effects on the physical or environmental conditions in the neighborhood or district. area.

And then lastly, we're asked to explain whether the difficulty is self-created. The consideration is relevant, but shall not necessarily preclude the granting of the area of variance. kind of say that the desire to build is self-created and and that's fine, but that the the slope failure that they experienced um makes it not self-created. If there's no further deliberation by the members, we'll consider the balance between a benefit to the applicant is weighed against any um detriment to the neighborhood in particular or this community to determine whether or not to grant the requested area variances.

Thank you, John. Would a member second? Second. Thank you, Darl. All in favor? Thank you. So your uh variances have been request have been granted. So please continue the work that you're doing with the building department on this project. So that would be my next point of contact. Yes. Yep. Um have you spoken to Kevin or or or Wendy?

Great. All right. Well, have a good night. Thank you for coming. Okay, next up we have sign variances for location at 727 through 737 Husk Road and Mohawk Avenue. It's being proposed by Bowler.

Hello and welcome. We're glad you're here tonight. Thank you very much.

You're welcome. So, the last time that you were here was the first time that these signs were proposed. Um, since then, it looks like you the application has been cleaned up a little bit um with some of the discrepancies that were in it and the zoning board members requested some additional information and I believe that's been provided to the board tonight. Great. And if you'd like, I could give a brief intro and what has changed since we were last here.

Yeah, that'd be super helpful. Thank you. Excellent.

Uh, good evening, Tim Fry with Bowler Engineering. Good to see everybody again. As chair mentioned, we were here last month in support of our September 15th area variance application for signage on the site. At that meeting, uh some uh questions related to comparison along the corridor were brought up and uh some concerns with the proposed signage and the amount of area variances and also a question related to the seeker and the process forward. I'd like to just introduce a subsequent uh submission that was provided to the board tonight of what has changed and then just make sure everybody uh fully understands what's proposed. Sometimes there's information overload with signage. So, I just want to walk through each sign to give you an update of what is proposed and then maybe Kevin, I'll turn it over to you to do a quick comparison of of what you guys found along the corridor.

Yeah. Then turn it over to the board from there.

Thank you. So, our October 20th submission included an updated sign table chart in the front. Hopefully provides easier following of of what is actually proposed. A substantial update to this is the reduction of the size of the freestanding sign. Previously, 240 square ft was proposed, 120 square feet each side. that has been reduced by a third down to 80 square feet per side. And that was a result of doing that comparison along the corridor of what size is consistent with other freestanding signs along the corridor. And hopefully Kevin's findings are are consistent with our findings of what that size um should be. In that packet, I included a signed cut sheet of what that sign looks like at the end of that uh packet. that is located at our signalized intersection at the corner of our property. We want to make sure our flag is planted strong at that signalized intersection to attract customers and patrons to that driveway. We all also want to make sure it's seen far enough in advance to make the required traffic maneuvers to safely enter that driveway. We have two signs attached to our canopy that is demonstrated on the elevations from our original application at the corner here. and it would be on the other side of that canopy as well. Looking at the site plan,

the location of those two signs would be here. The idea is to make it more visible from traveling customers on being able to identify where the building and the fuel canopy is on our site. It was also mentioned at our meeting last month. It's important for those canopies to have branding on them. So you also know where the fuel is coming from. Oftent times you have one branded market and a different branded fuel component. You might see a mini mart with a soco etc. Here it's important for quick check to identify their fuel is quick check. Their convenience store is quick check. We do have wall signage over our front door in the front of the building. We have a quick check with the queue on the elevated roof line. We have a third wall sign on the right side of the building on that elevated roof line component. Looking at the site plan signage on the front of the store makes sense, right? Marking where you enter front of the store. And then we selected the east side because this is important to pick up the traveling public in a westward direction. There's going to be some obstructions as we approach this intersection.

The driveway is on the east side of the site. So, we want to make sure we're tracking patrons over here and not right here. If you pass the signalized intersection and then see the facility, you're more inclined to use Mohawk Avenue for your entrance, which we want to reduce as much traffic below on Mohawk Avenue as we can. So, we chose the eastern side of the building with that additional signage to attract patrons to this driveway. There was also some discussion about a second freestanding sign. Uh we didn't apply for a variance for a second freestanding sign. It was identified by the building department that it is a freestanding sign. So we are no longer proposing that there was a directional sign on Mohawk shown right here on the initial elevations. So that has been removed. There was also some concerns from the neighbors on Mohawk Avenue for that additional signage and promoting the use of that driveway. So, the applicant was quick to um eliminate that for the neighbor's request. Those are the proposed signs. The variances affiliated with those signs, as a reminder, are the size of the freestanding sign, 70 square feet is allowed, 160 square feet proposed with a requested 90 foot relief, and you can follow along in the table on that first page. The fuel canopy signs, it's been

identified that no fueling canopy signs are allowed. We're proposing two at 22.6 ft a piece. with the requested relief of 45.2 square feet total and two signs. The wall Q sign is projected above the normalized roof line. What I mean by that is here's your roof line. It says higher in elevation than your normal roof line. Requesting uh relief for 3'9 in on both of those cues. And then total number of signs, two are allowed, six are proposed, requesting relief of four. And lastly, uh total site signage area. We're permitted 300 square feet and we almost got there with the reduced freestanding sign. We're at 308. So that that's pretty good for a gas station facility where you have the additional signage for your regular diesel and your pricing. So, we're very close asking a minor relief of eight square feet. In our findings, we did see that this is uh this revised application put forth before this board is consistent with the corridor. And we hope you would make a a similar conclusion. And maybe I'll turn it over to Kevin now to give a briefly update of the building department's review of other signed permits and relief along this corridor. Yeah. So, Wendy and I did some research at the request of the board um and looked at five different properties. One is the KFC at 658 road. That's a monument sign has approximately 60 ft each side.

We looked at Aldi's as well. Aldi's is a pylon sign that has Planet Fitness, Wendy's, and Aroma Joe. So that has basically four separate advertisements on it. That's 75 square ft per side for a total of 150. And then Brunswick Square, again, that's a monument sign that has many vendors on it. That's a 740. That's 135 square feet each side total 270. Taco Bell as a single advertisement 78 road 35 ft each side totally 70 and then farms which is probably more comparison quick check 630 road that's 66 square feet on each side for a good sign. Some of these we looked at have multiple appetizers on multiple stores.

Yeah, thank you. Thank you for providing that information. I have a question about the signs that you've described to us. Which of them would have um the lighting? So, this will be back lit and over your canopies have back lighting as well. The canopy itself all the way lit or just

the canopy lit all the way around? Just the signage. Just the signage. And with me tonight is uh Stuart Kimmel from Quick Check. Welcome. So, it's the quick check on the front of the store over the field canopies and [Music] So cute.

Did we mention last meeting this was going to be 24 hours? Yes. So the lights will all the signs will be lit 24 hours. The lights would follow the hours of operation. Yes. And now I should say that's also some supporting reason why the east side west side facing neighborhood lettering is within the limits of what's allowed. What did you say? Three feet

the size of letter. The side of the letter is actually the height. Right. Right.

So the roof line above the click check that's not true entrance line. And then the quick check enter time that you removed that was on the Mohawk Avenue side. There's not going to be another one by the gas canopy anywhere where they come in. So when they first come in, there's going to be one over there. Is there going to be a do not enter sign to leave the gas canopy area? Do not enter sign.

Okay. So they don't cut through taking a quick there's no So I see on the fuel dispensers that there's there are cues. Um in the past the zoning board has considered uh advertisement or the name brand on the fuel dispensers as a sign. Um historically we've considered that in the the total number of signs. I know. Um the interpretation of the building department allowed two square feet for that on the a fuel dispenser is allowed two square. Okay. Thank you.

Window sign. So there's going to be there's going to be no window signings like clean window clings anything like that in the glass windows in front of the building. This is what's proposed at this time. If there was additional signage, I would defer to building department for that enforcement or um flagging additional variances in the future. So, which one is the money sign?

So, where's the 911 address on it? You're not showing that be turned to the side, right? Will it be on the side of the sign? You can't see, right? There's probably an elevation. We can't see which side is going to be. Will it be facing who's the address or you going to put a I'm not sure. I'm not sure they're aware of that. Yeah. No, we talked about last time. You were here. Yeah. That might got that might have gotten lost in translation.

I am aware of the address having to be added to that freestanding sign. So, we'll make sure that that lettering um is compliant and added Yeah, he comes up like almost like an addon to the address. They did that afterwards as well. The Cumberland one is

I mean, I'm glad you lowered it because I'll be honest with you, the other one was humongous. It was to me the biggest sign I think anywhere else in the town. And the building department did a great job, but as far as a a single customer or at least a single commercial customer having a sign that size. So, I'm glad to see that Tim, is the monument sign going to be lit as well?

Yeah. So, just be aware of the monument sign in addition to the other signs. Talk about being lit. Thank you. So, outside of the topic of the tech sign, are you going to handle the signage for the other side of the property? It's on um a separate tax parcel and it's up to those tenants to determine whether it they'll be pursuing any variances. I just I personally haven't seen it. You were working with them and you know obviously the signs are kind of cross from each other on the properties and I don't know if there were going to be an issue with blocking your signage. We had similar questions. We do not know what their signage package looks like right now. So we do have an application for a multi-tenant sign for that. So

there you go. Is it code compliant or triggering variances? Um, that's processing work that process

it would help make our decision a little better. I think if you kind of knew what that was, but we don't change any opinions on it. That's my personal opinion. So what would be another feasible alternative to the um the area the sign variances that You're requesting So, starting with the freestanding signs, that's the most important for this type of use, getting traffic in and out of the site safely. I would say there's no um alternative for that. It's really critical to get patrons to that driveway. The signage for the building, the alternative is a typical signage package where they have wall signage on all four sides of the building. Here, I think we all can agree we don't need signage on the rear of the building because there's no access for the purpose to advertise down Mo Avenue. We also eliminated the western side because there's duplicate or

redundancy signage with the fuel canopy on that side and we wanted to be mindful of our neighbors and on the eastward direction. The alternative would be to remove this Q sign. However, um balancing the alternative of moving that Q sign would be the chance for increased traffic movement. We do think that that Q sign will help capture the westward traffic get them to make the decision to enter our facility at this driveway versus this user is not a destination use. It's a pass by. It's on the fly. You're driving, you see you need gas, you pull in. Or you know quick check has really good food inside for sub sandwiches. You're driving home on your commute. You decide to pull in and you see it. The IT uh the international transportation communities has identified up to 40% of trips are generated that way of just by seeing it and making a decision to pull in. So, we do think the alternative of of having that Q sign is better than not. And then branding comes into the other alternatives of signage. If if you reduce the signage to where uh it's not visible, you lose that brand. If it's not consistent with branding across multiple locations, you use the identification going across regions to an individual location. And if you make the signage smaller or too small, which could be another alternative, reducing the size of the signage, you make it too small and it's more difficult to view when you're driving a vehicle on USK at a at a a decent speed. You want it

big enough, clear, you can quickly see it and not have to study and question what you're seeing. So you can make those immediate reactions within seconds of whether you're turning into the site or not. So there is a balance of size, there's a balance of location and how many signs and we feel we have reduced the proposed signage to the extent practical. So, in the fuel um canopies, will it say you're proposing quick check and the cube?

So, back to the branding. The branding of Quick Check won't let you pick one or the other. They have to stay the same. However, um like on the front of the building two separate except for that one elevated sign and then on the signage you can but

okay just because that's the green backdrop is part of that branding. So you're saying on the front of the store you have to have the part of the branding is the quick check and the queue. You've got both here and on the canopy. We asked them a similar question if they could separate the queue and the quick check on the canopy and that was the response of of due to the branding of it. They won't get approval to do that.

Okay. That's right. And then is there any room to minimize the sign of the um display for the gasoline price of the regular and diesel? I see that they're 2 feet 6 in and 3/4s. Are you referring to the newly submitted cut sheet? Yeah, the and the pylon, the freestanding sign.

So, that was reduced um to be consistent with some other signage along the corridor and the size and that is smaller than what they had originally wanted or proposed here. So, they feel this reduction is still acceptable.

Okay. Are there any other questions from the zoning board members? We're asked to determine whether or not this application is complete for the purpose of holding a public hearing and that would be at our November meeting date. The date would be the 17th. And just for my notes here, is a public hearing required on all variances?

It is.

And then I'd also just like to regroup on the secret discussion. I think there were some questions previously on the best way to handle secret for this application. I did look back at the uh master project full EF that was submitted. We did identify area variances on that um full EAF. So I wasn't sure if if this board was going to reply or rely excuse me on that prior NE deck or if we needed to do a separate secret determination for this application. Well, I'd advise the board. My recollection without looking at it, Tim, was the area of variances dealt with the setbacks and the issue of the signed package was specifically deferred because it hadn't been prepared as of that date. So, my opinion, the board will need to make a secret determination on the sign variance requests. Sure. So, with that, um, this packet did include a short EAF. I could walk the board through that application right now just to make sure there was no questions or comments.

Certainly. Of course. Thank you.

So, even though the full project had the full environmental assessment form related to signage, we thought the short form would be subi sufficient since it's uh the action is really just the signage variances as outlined in our application. There's not a lot of impact um to or potential impact to the environment of signage. So we felt the short EF was sufficient. We identified the proposed action as the sign is variances requested from the ZBA. We included the potential for future permit or approval from the town of Brunswick uh for a sign and building permit. Item three was the total lot acreage. So the quick check side of the site, if you remember, was previously subdivided with some lot consolidations. That total acreage is 1.35 acres. However, uh both parcels still remain under common ownership at a total of 2.57 acres. Item four and five was um land uses in the area. We identified world for some of the commercial and undeveloped land behind us or some of the residential and undeveloped land behind us and then identified commercial for the corridor. Item five, it's a permitted use under the zoning regulations. Yes, it's consistent with adopt adopted comprehensive plan. Yes.

Can I ask one question on number five? why you didn't include residential.

Uh it would make sense to check that box. That's why we're going through this. Yes, the property behind us directly inviting us is residential. Item six is proposed action consistent with the character of the existing build or natural landscape. Yes. And I think going through that exercise of comparable signage packages along the corridor was helpful. We are not in a critical environmental area. The action will not result in a substantial increase in traffic. Again, we're talking about just the signage. We do have public transportation available to us. Item nine, we will meet or exceed energy code. Item 10, we are connecting to existing public water sewer um for the building. However, that could also be not applicable except we're talking about just signage here. That is item 10 and 11. Item 12, no archaeological sensitive area or or significant historic places identified. 13. Are there any wetlands or other water b water water bodies regulated by the federal, state or local agencies? When you look in the mapping, there is a state uh regulated pond up back on the hill over in this area that we identify on here to be consistent with the full EF that was submitted as part of the overall project. There is no disturbance or impact proposed to that water body. Identify the typical habitat types that occur or likely found in the project site. We put suburban. Does the action contain any endangered or threatened species? No,

we're not within the 100year flood plane. We will not create storm water discharge. Again, we're talking about the signage and the proposed action here. 18. Will it result in the empowerment of water or other liquids? No. Not related to signage. Has the site of the proposed action or adjoining property been the location of active or closed solid waste management facility? No. And unidentified MDEC's mapper. And has the site of the proposed action been subject to remediation? No. So I will reiterate for the record item four we did check uh residential to amend this uh shortly. Any other questions or comments on that?

So the board will take your opinion on in regards to this. [Music] I don't think so. Right. Okay. So, we'll see you uh on November 17th at 6 o'clock. Great. So, just so I understand the process moving forward, we set the public hearing that night, we'll give a brief overview of the project, listen to any public comments. Um we'll respond to any public comments. And if there are none, would this board be in a place to potentially render a decision that evening? It's going to depend on the the quality of the public comments on how in-depth the responses would have to be.

Correct. and and if there's public comments, the board generally wants time to consider that and have the applicant respond to them based on the review of the material submitted today. The board may have some additional questions or comments even postpublic hearing that they'll want to work with the applicant on. Uh is it a possibility they could act? Sure. But if things arise between now and then in terms of the zoning board review of the materials or if there's public comments received, um it could take longer. And we'll note again that the uh law does require a decision within 62 days of the close of the public hearing. So there's the potential for another meeting or two. We'll have to see how the uh proceedings go. Fair enough.

Is there anything else that this board would find helpful while we have some time ahead of that public hearing? And I'm I'm just asking because time is of the essence if anybody has driven by the site uh recently. It is under construction. So they just want to be able to put those foundations into the ground this year. But I understand that doesn't change the the path forward at this point. That's just why I'm asking so we can relay the information. No, the other two buildings. Yes. I guess my own account would be to say that you're within 3%. So if there's any chance of coming in a little bit, you know, smaller and that up a little bit on the overall size.

Yeah. And you're very close to it. I mean, it's less than 3% over what is total. So I was happy we got where we got, but understood. So close. I know. I know. It would be nice to knock off a variance. Absolutely. Yeah. Right. Anything else that would be helpful? We got it. Yeah. Is there any further response or submissions that are needed from the applicant at this time or we should be all set public? Okay, great. Just let us know if you do think of anything. We can provide a submission, but otherwise we'll see everybody at the public hearing.

Okay. Thank you so much. Thanks for coming tonight. [Music] paying attention. Okay, next up is our first item of new business. This is 538 maches a extension. I'll just ask the applicants to come forward to the podium and kindly give a brief overview of the project.

Well, I am the applicant. Um, hi, nice to meet you. Hi, I'm Bob G. It's for my wife and myself. Um, we're looking to build a garage um of of a size uh 28 by 47. Um, and uh we're looking for a slight variance. Okay. Okay. So, that number is a different number than I have. Is it 46? Um, so in the application, um, I have 30 by 48 detached. Is that correct? Yeah, I we amended it honestly yesterday because we wanted to make sure that we were close enough to the or closer to the square footage of our of our living space in our home.

Um, so yesterday when we met with the uh company that's going to provide us with a garage, we kind of made a gut decision. Okay, we don't need that much space. It's for a couple of cars and place for me to hide sometimes. So can you kind I understand could you kindly repeat the size of the Yeah. So the interior space um is going to be uh 28x 46 and I said 28x 47 because that encompasses the overhang. Okay.

But the uh the the uh the variance is for uh for that 28x 46 because that should be the concrete pad. Wendy's been great answering all my emails. She is. We have a wonderful building department.

Okay. There's page of application, right? So, um in the application, it looks like we're we're missing page two. Um, so that is where the abuters are identified and also the question of whether or not this property has ever requested another variance. Um, if you have that um,

do you have a list of the abutters? Okay. It's not for somehow it was it was mistakenly left out. Um so we'll we'll just need that uh going forward. Um just Yeah. Is that under the uh zoning verification? The is that the permit? Okay. So it looks like this page here. That's not another application. It looks like it's the back page of the front page. Okay. Um,

so I have everything. I have all the original things. Sorry about that. Yeah. No, that's okay. And the reason why we're um pointing that out is that the application needs to be complete in order to hold a public hearing. Okay. Yep. So, um, well, so that's something that perhaps could be distributed to the zoning board members before we meet again. Is this the one with the adjacent property owners? Yes, I got it right here. Okay. Sorry. That's okay. Would you able to make a copy of that? Thank you. Thank you, Wendy.

Sorry. Thank you, Wendy. Um, would you happen to know the zoning district? Uh, that is R15, I believe. Got that here as well. R15. Okay. As I'm just throwing everything. Yeah, that's good. But we we'll note that. Yes. And by the rendering that you submitted the last page in the application, there's like a Google map page uh showing us that this lot is not a corner lot. Is that correct? Confirm that. Okay.

So, I'm sorry. Pardon me. What's the picture? The last page. Do you have this? No.

There you go. Okay. Right. So, you're seeking a leftsided setback. Is that correct? Yes. Okay. Which is required 15 feet and you're proposing 10. Yes. Okay. So, in the application that you filled out and from the public hearing that um happened earlier today, the board needs to consider if there any other feasible alternatives like why are you asking for this? Is there anything else you can do so you don't have to ask for this variance?

Um it's uh logistically the only place that we can put a garage is on that side of the house. Uh the other side of the house is heavily wooded. Um but uh the back of the rear of the house is um well this also just easy access to our current driveway. The rear of the house is where our well is uh position and the front of the house is where our septic is. Okay. Thank you. And just to confirm with the building department, the garage meets all the size requirements.

Thank you. All right. So, I guess we'll we'll just wait on that extra page and then I think we can um deem this application complete for holding a public hearing. Okay. Which were you here at the beginning? That's what we did. Yes. Yep. So, um uh it will be at our November meeting. The zoning board meets every third Monday. So, that's November 17th. Okay.

And um the Bowler sign application is at six o'clock. So, we'll put you at 6:15. Okay. All right. Excellent. question. Yeah. Sorry. So, is the address 536 or 538? It's 538. Um 536 I I don't know why that was uh I believe that was just the original address when we put the home in. Um the home was built back in 2010. It's uh from uh it's a feral home. So, I see 536. Yeah. Yeah. And that's I I Yeah, I asked that uh to Winnie when I got it, too. Uh because she had sent that to me. But I believe that was the working address before they reumbered the street to include our home.

538 the house on the curve that Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I still occasionally have I still occasionally get Rico's mail. So Rico and I know each other. I got to drop off his mail sometimes. Okay. So, and then while we're waiting, do you give permission to the zoning board members come out and visit the site? Sure. Thank you very much. And you can be contacted with the last four. Thank you so much. 7827. Yes. Yep. That's my number. Yeah. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. That's all right. Yeah. Yeah. No problem. Thank you for making the copies. Also could be on me one day.

Thank you. Okay. Do you have any questions for us? No. No. I was going to ask if you have any more questions for me. All right. So, I think we're all set then. We'll see you on November 17th at 6:15. Excellent. All right. Thank you. Have a good night. Take care.

Okay. Next up, we have 318 Plank Road. It's an area variance. the applicant like to come up and kindly give a brief overview of your project, please. Thanks. I'm looking to get the air bearings to uh build the garage, personal use garage at the house. Um so it's 20 26 26 by 31 garage. Um it doesn't meet the setback and um Oh, it's in front of the house. Well, it's on the side of the house, but it's the house.

Sure. So, you're looking for a a front setback. Yeah. Okay. And then in addition, um would we be looking for that the primary um that the secondary structure is in front of the primary structure? Okay. Okay. So, these are two area variances that we're seeking. Okay. All right. Um, hi. How are you? Good. My name is Jacob Keys. I'm the land surveyor for the project. Okay, Jacob. Well, that was a very good survey, by the way. I um Thank you. I like the way that you put your setbacks onto the the drawing.

Great. So Andy, a question for you. Um because the application does not include the second area variances variance which is the secondary structure being in front of a primary structure. Would this need to be rewarded or um the information that we gathered tonight would that suffice for what's needed? Um and and just quickly um as part of the application, so what was submitted to the zoning board members tonight, this rendering, so

it's slightly different because the original one was over the lefthand setback by a little bit. We've shifted the garage, so we're not asking for variance for that left hand setback. We're only asking for the front setback. Okay. Okay. All right. So, so we'll consider this one. Yes. Okay.

So, this is showing us right the need for the front setback and then the prime the secondary in front of the primary. Okay. So, and to answer your question, it looks like the application itself only addresses the front yard setback. The cover letter from the building department identifies both. Okay.

Clearly, the location of the proposed garage is shown on the site plan. So, the board's aware that it's in in closer to the front lot line, the fronting street than the primary structure. Uh, the application will need to be amended to address that. Okay. All right. I didn't see an area where to exactly where to describe that um in writing or or

you should note that on the application that you know obviously it's seeking the front yard setback uh and also that the accessory structure will be located in closer to the fronting road than the primary structure. really the balance of the answers are consistent then it's really looking at the same thing but the Brunswick code does require both variances. I have to submit revised maps anyway. So I'll drop I'll drop the revised application off when I do that as well. Okay. And you submitted an EIF. I did submit an EF. Just note that that's in the description too on your the brief description of the proposed action. Make sure that's in there too. I'll end that as well.

Okay. Seems like a the board's aware of the both variances and that corrected applications will be submitted shortly. Okay. Yes. So, thank you for submitting the picture of the garage and I'll just confirm with the building department it does meet the size requirements, the height and size. Okay. Thank you.

Right. So in the revised application, will there be a change in the um requested setback from the front? So right now um right now posting 25 ft. There won't be a change in that. Okay. That that'll stay the same. That'll stay the same. Okay. Thank you. The revised application will simply address the other issue.

Okay. Yeah. So, um part of the consideration that the board will go over will ask like is there any other way that you could have um chosen a location for this garage um that would not have needed a variance?

So, I live on Plank Road and it's every or all the property is elevated and I you know I'm on the mountain so I mean I'm already elevated 15 feet 20 feet above the road as it is. So, And my backyard is literally the mountain. So I have absolutely no other possible way to put another garage because my front yard is my septic leech field and then my sideyard is where I want to put the garage and then my backyard is the mountain. So I have absolutely no other way I can build a garage.

Okay, good. Yeah, thank you for explaining that. All right. So other than um receiving the updated application there no other questions by the zoning board members have deemed this application be complete for the purpose of holding a public hearing which will be in November November 17th and that'll be at 6:30. Um and um if you have any questions for us other than the last question I would have for you do give us permission to come out and see the site. Okay thank you. Yeah. And we'll use a number that ends in 4713. Okay. Terrific. All right. Do you have any other questions, Mr.

It was uh November 17th, right? Yes. Yes. 6:30. Confirm that date. Thank you. Okay. Very good. We'll see you then. All right. Thank you. Okay, good night. Good night.

Okay, lastly we have 72, I'm sorry, 103 Creger Lane. Hi, welcome. Thank you for hanging around this late. You can kind of give us a brief overview of your project. uh building a new home on Preer Lane, building a pole bar next to it, looking for a square footage variance because there was a bit of a mess up with the architect. We didn't check the town laws and the building was built. It's already existing. Oh, okay. So, so um what? So, this building is standing. It's standing. Okay. It's been put on hold, but it's standing.

Okay. Okay. Right. So, it's put on hold and sense that it needs to be trimmed out or the finishes or six foot. Well, what needs to be finished is siding in the doors. Okay. Mhm. All right. Has the house been constructed? Yes. Okay. So, the house is there. Yeah. All right. Um, what zoning district is this? What is it?

R40. Okay. Yep. And how many acres are we talking about? 7.2, I think it is. Okay. Thank you. Okay. So now I understand why the question number two wasn't answered. Explain why there can't be another uh feasible option. Oh picking it up and moving it or doing something like that. Well, it's the square footage that doesn't Oh, okay. Okay. Yes. It's supposed to be 1500,600.

Yes. Right. Right. Chopping in half. We didn't find that out before. It was a little too late. Kevin and I have been dealing with this architect for quite a few months. Okay. I believe you um did confirm it, but again um it's six um 1,680 ft. Yeah. Okay. Thank you.

Okay. Meets all the setbacks. um by a matter of week. Okay. Only affects if it affects anybody. There's one neighbor that looks at it which hopefully he's going to be here for public hearing. Yeah. Be invited. Sure. Um and we would it's the the building is parallel with the lot. So when you go down the road, you can't really tell the difference. If you were to cut the six foot five inches off the building would still other than the symmetrical.

All right. Right. So that's what this application is missing. I'm not sure if it's important con um concerning the circumstances, but there's no plot plan. There's no survey. Yeah, there is. Oh, okay. Yeah, there was a bunch of Oh, okay. Thank you. I don't have enough copies for old man. Didn't I drop off seven the other six? I'll look at John's. Oh, John has one. No. Oh. Oh, sharing it. Yes. I'm sorry. Okay. Okay. You can have your own one, I guess. Yes.

Is it enough for everyone? There's enough for everyone. Okay. Fantastic. All right. So, sure if you can kind of walk us through this. The first time you've seen this, of course, and kind of walk us through what we're looking at. So, existing house is drive. It's going back. Proposed house. Septic field is in. It's the building on the left in front of the hat septic field. That's that's what's that's all. Okay. Yep. Thank you. Okay.

Yeah. And ju just so the board understands, this is a little unique situation. Mr. Dayton does not have frontage. Mr. Boomhower owns the uh the property that Mr. Dayton uses to gain frontage. If you recall, I don't know if they were involved with Vickers, Andy, the whole issue with the back property, Mr. Vickers, you recall. So, there's property behind Mr. Bum as well. It's landlock, right? Oh, yes. Mr. Vickers has had a history. The board may recall the name.

So, Vickers, I know Michael Vickers, that's a non-buildable lot. And then Mansfield in the back, that's also a non-buildable lot. They don't have access. they they have access by a right away on that island. So that's why I say Dayton's the only one that's going to be affected and we actually working with them. Uh we actually move the building so they wouldn't deter from the view of the mountain. Okay. And are you going to enter off of their their driveway?

No, we're going to enter it. Basically, it's just storage. There's going to be no drive to it. We're going to enter on the driveway and then if we need to get there, we'll probably just drive across. So, is this an older plan because it says proposed building and proposed drive. So, is the is the house there? Yes. And it's where it says proposed building.

Yes. So there's two lots there. Is that what it says? Lot one and lot two, but it's been combined. Any other questions for any of the members?

Okay. All right. So, I would think that this is complete. The purpose of holding a public hearing, which we'll do when we meet again uh November 17th at 6:45. All right. And would you give us permission to come out and look at this? Absolutely. Okay. Thank you so much. All right. All right. Thank you. All right. Thank you. Good night.

Are there any other um new business items that the board would want to discuss? Otherwise, I propose a meeting, pardon me, a motion to adjourn tonight's meeting.

Thanks, John. All uh a second. I'll second. Thanks, Darl. All in favor? I thank you very much. Good night.