City Council - Regular Meeting

Evening. Welcome to the March regular meeting of the Anderson Common Council. We thank you in advance for your interest in what happens here with the council and we're always glad to have you here and and hear from you if you wish to speak. We have a uh limited agenda tonight and we'll be getting to those items after the invocation by Councilwoman Landers and the pledge of allegiance by Councilman Turner. Please rise. Gracious God, we come together tonight in a spirit of unity and service. I pray you will keep safe those serving our country in the armed forces at this time. And I also pray for Councilwoman Culp, who is sick tonight. We ask for insight and compassion as we make decisions for the good of our community. May our words and actions tonight be guided by fairness, respect, and shared commitment to those we serve. Amen.

Amen. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you. Will the clerk please call the role? Councelor Turner present. Councelor Harless here. Councelor Dixon. Councelor Freeman. Councelor Wagner here. Councelor Landers here. Councelor Cole. Councelor Newman. Yes. President Graham here. You're not usually sitting there. You're throwing me off. Very good. Off. You usually sit right there. You are off. Glad you noticed that, Madam Clerk. It threw me way off.

We're going to now move um well, first of all, the roll call gives us a um six voting members here tonight. So, we do have a quorum. Uh and we'll move on now to minutes to be approved. Mr. President Councilman Turner, I'd like to approve the minutes for uh the February 12th meeting and a public hear the public hearing of 17th and a special meeting for the February 19th to 26. I'll second. We have a motion, a second to approve the minutes for three meetings that were held last month. Any questions about that from anybody? Clerk, call the role. Councelor Turner, yes.

Councelor Harless, yes. Councelor Wagner, yes. Councelor Landers, yes. Councelor Newman, yes. President Graham, yes. The minutes for those three meetings have been approved by council. We have any communications, Madame Clerk? No, I do not. Very good. Introduction of ordinances with first readings approved. Mr. President, I'd like to bring forth ordinance 34-25 for third and final reading, please.

I second that. Ordinance 34-25, an ordinance amending Ordinance number 1141, Ordinance 2439, and ordinance 39-63 of the city of Anderson, Madison County, Indiana, with respect to a change in the zone map as to certain real estate as here in particularly described. Uh, one question, Madame Clerk. Um, this says, did you say ordinance 7425? 34-25. 34-25. And that had its first and second readings? Yes. So, we're ready for third. Thank you. We need a second motion. Third. Okay. Very good. We need a We need a second. I second. We have a motion, a second for third reading on 34-25. Mr. Styers,

thank you. Uh, you've already voted twice on this. I'll keep this brief. Uh, the property is the square on the screen with the X in it. It's on the southwest corner of Lindberg Road and South Rangeline Road. It's just at the eastern edge of the city limits. The air airport, Anderson Airport is to the east or to the right hand side of the page. You did vote the first two times, nine to nothing in favor of this proposed reszoning from R2 to R4. R2 allows single family homes. R4 allows for all residential, including apartments. Plant commission two months ago voted in favor of this by a vote of five to nothing. Uh, as I said, this piece of property is on a 40 acre corner as seen on the drawing. There's your zoning. It's currently zoned R2. There's a lot of residential zoning around it. To the north, you have R2. That's the Redeemer Baptist Church. Dolphin Club to the west, which is R3. To the south is another apartment complex, which is formerly known as Autumn Ridge, now known as Madison Lakes Apartments. And then everything to the right or the uh east is Madison County which is zone R2 as well. Uh to the souththeast purple color there is I2 that is airport property. All city utilities are available to this site. The petitioner, if successful in receiving a third and final reading for this reszone, would like to build a 200 unit apartment complex on this 40 acres. Um, their proposed project involves 200 one, two, and threebedroom apartments on this site. Uh this will go a long way towards rectifying uh a problem that we have in our city right now that we're

lacking in uh one, two, and threebedroom apartments across the city. Comp plan does classify this 40 acres as low density residential which is typically single family homes only. This project involves a denser development w with apartments which means reszoning from R2 to R4 is in conflict with the city comprehensive plan. Comp plan is currently being updated and has been in the process process of being updated for over a year. Uh we hope to have some finality to an updated comp plan. I've been told over the weekend sometime by June or July of this year. Certified mail notices were sent out. uh legal ad was published in a timely manner. Uh some additional uh facts about this proposed project. They are saying the rental rates for these apartments will range anywhere from $1,600 to $2,600 a month. That's again for one, two, and threebedroom apartments. Uh you have in your possession a letter that I've highlighted in the main points of it. That's from city engineer Matt House. He is speaking in that letter to the uh what he envisions as the traffic situation on this property should 200 apartments be added here. It is showing two driveway accesses, one on Lindberg, one on South Range Line Road, which he is in favor of. Um drainage wise uh that is still being discussed but uh there have been many discussions I'm told between uh the airport and uh the petitioner uh hopefully look working out some type of arrangement to have a a storm water drainage sewer put in on the airport property which would drain it then directly down into White River. Uh, Redwood Apartments, uh, the petitioner will tell you has existing units in Noblesville, Westfield, Greenfield, Planefield, and Indianapolis.

Uh, Redwood's apartment representative is here. Uh, Joe Sikos, I believe he's from the law firm of Clark and Quinn. Joe, if you can come on up, add anything you'd like. Um, Mr. President, if you could ask Mr. Styers, could you repeat those rent amounts for me? Uh it's 1,600 to $2,600 a month depending on the number of bedrooms, one, two, or three. Joe could probably speak to that a little bit more. Thank you.

See, we those rent amounts are based on uh the redwood product which is a high quality put in upgraded features in interior granite countertops, stainless steel appliances. Um this is a 100% maintenance-free product. Uh so exterior and interior maintenance is covered with around uh private streets. So the street maintenance, snow removal, uh lawnmowing, all that is maintained by the apartment community. Uh Redwood um if you're not familiar, build a singlestory apartment product, all with attached garages. Uh so it feels like your own home. Uh this is a very popular product with the 55 and older community which I'm quickly approaching unfortunately uh just because of a it's all on a single story. Uh you have your garage entrance from the garage into your home as well as the uh zero maintenance.

Okay. So how close are you on the deal with the drainage with the airport? What's the hold up on that? Um, I think it's the final engineering. I think there's I think there's been some agreement um pending final engineering and how wide that easement needs to be. It's going to depend on the depth of the of the line and all that. Okay. Now, if it if it doesn't go through with the airport, is your retention ponds going to be capable of handling all the runoff?

Absolutely. Yeah. They they've actually designed it to over detain because the property is very flat. Um so I think there's two and a half times detention. Don't quote me on that. But uh they are overdetaining. That's why there I think there's three uh ponds proposed on the property. Are those are your retention ponds connected in any way? Yes, they will they'll be interconnected and phased through the pro project. Okay. Thank you. Other questions from council members? Yes. Yes. If I may, you sure can. May I ask why you chose Anderson?

Um, that is a bitter question for Greg who was here last month, but I will attempt to answer. Uh, Redwood is uh found a good market in central Indiana. Um, they've been very successful. Matter of fact, I drive by one every day on my way to work from Whiteland. um the their rental their rental rate in their projects are over 90%. Uh they see that opportunity, they see the market, and of course, like any other business, they're there to make a profit. But has I'm sorry, it's Redwood, right? Yes.

Has Redwood had any communications with anyone from our housing authority here? I don't believe so. So, have any of the stats or data on the demographics of our people even been looked at when you considered to move your apartment complex here?

Yeah, I'm I'm sure they have. Um, and Redwood's got a whole marketing, not marketing, um, research area before they put these properties under contract. They'll run those numbers to make sure that it's going to work for them before. The reason I ask these questions is because um the rent price of course um which if it's maintenancefree like you claim it is I would say that that's probably priced about right then.

But my question is who's going to occupy these apartments? Who's going to be able to afford this? If you're on a fixed income and you only make 967 a month, you sure as heck ain't living there, right? So, my other question is, will you participate in the low-inccome tax housing credit program by chance? I don't know that that is something that Redwood has done in the past. Um, I can certainly bring that to to them.

So, this is going to be apartments that are only for the working class. Correct. It depends on how you define working class, but you know, they've been market rate departments uh throughout the central Indiana as well as the surrounding states they've developed. And I take for granted that if they don't typically participate in the LIHTC program that they probably don't accept HUD funds either. I don't believe so. Okay. Thank you. The questions from the members. I I do want to go over one other point um to be perfectly clear about the drainage situation. This drainage will flow to to the east.

Correct. And nothing has changed about that. Correct. And you guys are all on board with that. We're all on board with that. All the engineering has been done to take that to the east. Okay. Or the preliminary engineering. They're not to the those details yet, but No, I understand. That's a critical point for me. Absolutely. Okay. I will reiter re reiterate that with the engineering team. On that note, I would add that our department, building commissioner's office, municipal development will not issue any permits for construction until we have a drainage plan approval approved by the city engineer. That helps.

Thank you. Thank you. Other questions from the council? Any questions from the audience? Yes. Come forward. Give us your name and address. Okay. Thank you. Angie Strickler, 2232 Gregory Lane, 46012. And I do have some questions for Mr. Secos. I'm curious if Redwood Apartments is owned by a larger parent company. No, Red Redwood is is their is the company. They're not owned by like a larger capital company or anything like that. Okay. So So you are based out of Indianapolis. I'm based out of the Cincinnati area.

Cincinnati. Okay. So, pretty close. And then I'm my I appreciate that um units are being built and I do have the same concerns as councelor Harless about the price point and the community that we have in Anderson. And I wanted to speak though about Redwood's commitment to the tenants that will be living in your properties. Do you have maintenance on site? Do you require tenants to go through an app? Is there somebody that they can call? What's what's that process and how quickly do does your maintenance um department respond?

Uh so I can't speak to an app. Uh I'm not that familiar with it, but I know that there is uh staff on site maintenance and leasing facilities on site. Um you know, with that rent price point, I would imagine you would expect a timely repair. Um, I know that the 100% maintenance even goes to changing light bulbs. So, um, having having a centralized maintenance dispatch wouldn't uh wouldn't fulfill what Redwood promises their tenants. Okay. So, they're right there. Yes.

Okay. So, then that Okay, that's good. And then my final question is, do you know what Redwood's commitment is to the broader community as far as keeping up the property long term? Um, we have a lot of issues with um just trash or lawns not being mowed in a timely manner, stuff, etc. See, it's in it's in Redwood's best interest to keep the maintenance to a to a high standard. Um, I'm I don't know how often they mow, but I know the mowing crews are out quite often. Um, and I can speak from experience. The uh the streets in the Redwood community where I live were cleared before the town streets the last snow. So, I don't know if that's that's every community, but uh they get out they get after it pretty quickly. Um, and I know Redwood through their developments have never sold the property. They're committed to develop and maintain and own those properties. Um I think it's they developed over 11 states at this point and they still own every property they developed.

Okay. Any other questions from the audience? Thank you. Question questions. Sorry, I have another question. Are the utilities going to be included in the rent at these homes or will these tenants be on their own for that? I believe the utilities are separate. Okay. But don't quote me on that. Okay. Are these How energy efficient are these homes going to be? Are we talking like topofthe line as energy efficient as you can get?

They are very energy efficient. They're built with 2x10 construction as opposed to regular 2x4 construction which allows greater insulation factors, greater R factors as well as greater sound deadening uh with shared walls. So, a three-bedroom apartment might run you 2,600, but if you have to pay a utility bill and a gas bill on top of that, you're looking at another anywhere between $2 and $500 for your basic setup. What are the terms for first month's rent and deposit on these? Do you know? I don't know that. Okay. Thank you.

Couple of facts mentioned at last meeting. This will be a phase project, two phases by Joe and this will also take anywhere from my notes say seven to eight years to complete. I think that would be longest term. I am going to ask one more question. Absolutely. Where were local contractors, our framers, our carpenters, our plumbers and electricians? Are they going to be used on this kind of project? That is a little beyond my kind of land use expertise. Yeah. Um, you know, I I understand that and you're doing fine, but I think your operations guy ought here tonight.

Yeah. And he he wanted to be here. He he sends his apologies. Well, I'm sorry about that, but this is important to us. Understand. And I can I would think we would rank high enough that he would think enough of us to be here. And I can certainly get the me get him the message that uh the city would prefer local contractors and local crews on the project. You certainly have crews here that are more than capable of building apartments and and just logistics wise u in my experience it's more cost effective to have local crews than to ship crews in from anywhere else because you're not paying perms. You're not paying travel fees. You're not paying that kind of cost. Mr. Chairman.

Yes, sir. I don't mean to buck the system. I'd like to uh postpone the third reading on this till next month when his supervisor can come in here. We have a second to that motion. I'll second that. We have a motion and a second to table this till the next next regular scheduled meeting. Members, any questions on the amendment proposal? No. Call the role. Eler Turner to table it. Correct, Greg. To table it. Yes. And that's the reason why Greg is for what?

We don't have all the information from the proper people from this company and well because it needs to be done right. That's why. Correct. And and Redwood's committed to doing things the right way. Yes. Continue. Let me intervene in in here. No, wait a minute. can't intervene when the vote gets is already started. Okay. Call the roll. Number two. Turner. I didn't hear your vote. Yes. Councelor Turner. Councelor Harless. Yes. Councilor Wagner. Yes. Councelor Landers. Yes. Councelor Newman. Yes. President Graham. Yes. Okay. So, it's tomorrow. We'll see you next month. Thank you. Yes, sir.

Mr. President, I just wanted to verify what we why. Sure. Okay. Okay. Okay. Introduction of ordinances. 126. Mr. President, I'd like to introduce ordinance 1-26, please. Second. Ordinance 1-26, an ordinance designating an economic development target area for David Readington. Mr. Winkler.

Council. Uh this is a request for a residential abatement for Mr. Readington. Uh the address is 4328 West 38th Street. This would be a single family residence. Um it is a two-bedroom, one bath with an estimated construction cost of $150,000. Yeah, that's what I thought. $150,000. Uh but the presentation lead led the economic development commission to believe that this can indeed be constructed for that price. Uh and Mr. Readington is an elderly gentleman. So this would actually be the the first home that he's had a chance to own. Um as a as far as a point of reference, this is 38th and Leighton Road would be the location of this particular single family residence. We are asking for a six-year uh abatement as it does constitute infill housing. Any questions?

Questions for the council? Is Mr. Readington here? I don't see a representative here. Um I he he was not going to be able to be here, but there was a gentleman that was supposed to be in attendance and I do not see him. Okay. So, it's at your discretion. If you want to postpone it until next meeting, we'll do it next meeting. Mr. Turner, I'd like to also table this Okay. uh ordinance as well for not being here so we can question him. Second.

Motion in a second to table. Questions from the council, questions from the audience. Clerk, call the role. Council Turner, yes. Councelor Harless, yes. Council Wagner, yes. Councelor Landers, yes. Councelor Newman, yes. President Graham, yes. Ordinance 1-26 has been tabled until the next regularly scheduled meeting in April. Okay. Introduction of resolutions. Mr. President, I'd like to introduce resolution 1-26, please. Second. Motion and second on 126.

Resolution 126, a preliminary declaratory resolution fixing a date, time, and place for a public hearing thereon for JLBS Property LLC. Mr. Winkler,

Council, this is a wonderful uh project and it's my pleasure to be able to finally present it to you. It's been a little while in the making. Um, so JLBBS is a wonderful company that is already working uh here in Anderson. You might have noticed the work that they did on uh 9inth Street as far as rebuilding one of our downtown buildings uh getting that ready for residential and commercial. Uh you probably have noticed the work that they have done on Meridian Street uh as far as the new apartments on Meridian Street and the work that they've done there. And I believe those apartments are uh completely full at this point. Um and this particular opportunity is for 1525 through 1529 Main Street and 1520 Meridian Street as well. Um this is a company that is doing uh a multitude of different projects in central Indiana now focusing on Anderson. Uh the president, new president of Anderson University shared with me last week uh that they are rebuilding two of the dormitories for Anderson University. They literally worked out a property swap and for the property that they're receiving, those dorms will be completely rebuilt. They specialize in uh reconstruction and redevelopment. They also have a niche as far as stone, granite, uh, high-end finishes for kitchens, bathrooms, etc. So, this will be the new location for their entire operation here in central Indiana. They're literally picking their business up and moving it to Anderson. That will be the new home of of JBS. Um, and as I'm sure you're all familiar with, that's been almost an entire city block that has been allowed to deteriorate

over time significantly. Uh, so we are tickled to death to see somebody come in and take on that project. They will be adding a total of 56 jobs. The average hourly wage is a little over $32 an hour with an annual payroll of just over $3.7 million. So, we are asking for a 7-year 70% abatement for this project. And I do have uh the owner of the company here. I'll ask him to step up to the microphone, introduce himself, elaborate just a little bit more on on the company and their philosophy of business and what they're doing and share with you uh the process of moving the company to Anderson. Frank,

thank you, Mr. President. I got a question. Uh, sure. Joe, back back in the day when I was a kid was out of an old furniture store. I think one of the buildings was Okay. Yeah. Because there's a very there's a very large lift that they're in the process of rebuilding as far as an elevator. Thank you. Yeah. Yep. Please. Thank you.

Thank you. Thank you, uh, council for having me. Um, just want to start, uh, to elaborate a little bit further on, uh, what Greg said here. Um, we are a Yep, sorry. My name is uh John Langi Bartles. I am the president of JBS Construction and JBS property alike. Um, we we have been doing a lot of projects here uh in the downtown area. We redid the uh 1212 Meridian which is the old Miller Huggin building. Uh turned that into apartments. We did not get anywhere close to 2600 month for those, but but they are 100% full. Um, we did do a a deal with the University of Anderson. Uh, we've bought the old u uh seminary apartments as well. Uh, we're really focused on on Anderson as a whole. Um, we've been working with Greg and and Levi to to kind of help uh put a whole plan together to to revitalize uh some of the areas that that we've been talking about and uh we felt it was the right time uh with our our granite cabinet shop uh manufacturing business uh to expand. Uh that property fit our needs not only with the the warehousing space but with the exterior layown area. Um so we decided to to take it down when the old plumbing supply company uh moved. So um we do plan on bringing an immediate 56 jobs uh to town. Hopefully with the space um we can grow. We are through the point of the project where we just received our state design release. So the state has approved uh our our renovations uh of the building and now that's in front of uh building commissioner here in the city. So, um yeah, we we uh specialize in uh not

only the the granite, the cabinets, uh manufacturing, but also will have uh products stored there. Uh drop shipping for all of our other uh multif family needs, faucets, lights, uh and really anything you can think that goes into a to an apartment. So, uh we'll we'll have a lot of shipping coming in and out of there, too. And hopefully as that grows, we'll continue to add more jobs to to the uh company there. Um we are also working uh one of the buildings we were able to take uh in our trade with uh Anderson University was um Hardacre Hall which used to be their uh business uh center there. Uh we plan on putting our headquarters there, not only for JBS property, for our construction staff, also working in tandem with the university to create a business incubator, get some other uh small and upcoming businesses in Anderson to to partner with us in leasing space at that building, but working closely to uh get student involvement uh interns and and also help with job placement, you know, past that that point of the internships. Um, so we'll also have a headquarters over on campus as well as as manufacturing here. So,

very good. Yeah. Yeah. Any questions? Yeah. First of all, thank you for coming. Yeah. Thanks for having me, council. Uh, members of the council have any questions? I do. Yes. Councilwoman Har truck traffic. Yes, there will be some. Have you considered it? And and not only that, but that railroad track and stopping trains.

Yes. So, the one nice thing about us owning the whole city block is and having the layown area there, as you can see, um to the south of of the main building there at 1520. Um exactly. We've been able to do turnarounds there. We've already had quite a few trucks coming through there. One just to deliver our our heavy machines, manufacturing uh equipment. the the trains do slow some things down, but the trucks can sit in our lot and wait. They're not waiting on the street and clogging things up to go if they're stuck.

And most of we need them on our site, too, just because we're we're loading and unloading, you know, so in the streets just uh it's dangerous, right? So, we it there is a pull through in the center, too. You can kind of kind of see. So, which which makes it a lot easier. So, this is very exciting. Um, I'm more so excited that you just told me what you did about your deal with AU. Yeah, that's fantastic. Hey, thank you. There are lots of places that already have things like that in place and in motion and it's amazing what like Purdue has accomplished in the Fort Wayne area and the students have a huge impact there and some of the most innovative things have come of that. So, I applaud your efforts.

No, thank you. Thank you. We appreciate it. A lot of people have some some some things to say about millennials, but I'm one of them, right? And I haven't given up yet. So, we're going to keep we're keep grooming them and getting better. So, appreciate that. I'm glad you're not giving up. Question from the council. I do have a couple. Yeah. First of all, thank you for coming to Anderson. Thank you. I met you and perhaps your partner with Winkler at uh the 1925 pub. Yeah. Yeah. and uh he explained that you guys had come and what you had hoped to to get going on. Uh that's very exciting. Um I'm an AU graduate. Oh, awesome. Now, it was a while ago. Yeah.

But I was so but I do want to ask you a question about that relationship uh because it is I find that just as as Councilwoman Harlo does just very unique and and terrific. Yeah. Um, so you're talking about the building where the fall school of business was located. Yes, sir. And where are they doing that uh activity now? Do you know?

I'm not sure. I know the building is vacant except for Hes who is their maintenance contractor on site who does the janitorial and everything, but it the the when I walk the building, the the Star Bank, everything was was out of there. Um, so it's it's sitting empty currently. I'm not sure where they've relocated that. uh on campus. So you took you uh you took the seminary housing you are that you are um you own that now. Yep. Um that was separate of this deal. Yeah. This deal includes hard u includes hardacre which is the fall school business. It includes fair commons. We'd take control of that. Okay.

It includes the 28 acres which we would hope to develop uh just there the old campground was. been a wonderful development if it could have got finished. Yeah. Yeah, it really could. Well, let me ask you this one. You may not be able to speak to it and I understand if you can't. We have had as a city, we had trouble with the apartment complex on 8th Street that is known as Terara East and uh our building commissioner's office has had to get on them

about just general maintenance of clean up the junk and clean up the paper and they did that some of that last fall. Now, is that a project that you guys are currently involved in or if you're even able to say, and I'm not pressing here, um, is that one you might have on your radar?

Uh, absolutely. I was, uh, I was best and final to purchase those when they sold to the original, uh, or the current owner. Um, and we were actually the same same price point. The the broker just had a better relationship with the uh the other buyer, so he chose them, not us. So, I've been working at trying to pry that one away uh with not much luck. Um but what is what is what's his plans? I don't see any plan. Me neither. I'll have five projects done that are way worse off than he will with his one. So, and it really bothers me that that's not representative of our university. No. No. It's really not. It

was disappointing. I walked them and they're not I you don't make any money with them empty, right? Rarely. I don't see how you do. So, um yeah, the broker pick the wrong to pursue that because putting people back in that unit u would be good for the east side, good for 8th Street. Absolutely. And um it's something university, you know, I'm sure would like to get resolved. Absolutely. Put it that way. Absolutely. Thank you very much. I go past your development two or three times a week. Awesome. And I see all the activity. Yeah. And I see what you've done to outsides with paint and clean up. Yeah. And we need 10 of you. So, can you help us get the other nine

Yeah. to come to town? We'll try. Yeah. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you, Mr. President. Yes, sir. I would like to compliment this gentleman and his corporation and the staff on the unique style that you did the Miller Huggins building.

I've talked to at least two or three different people in there and they are completely satisfied with that. And above all, this is in Miller Huggin and this building over there just south of there. is in the district that I represent. I'll take all positive hits like this that you are able to produce. Absolutely. Well, thank you. I appreciate that. Thank you. Yeah. Do we have any questions from the audience? Any comments from the audience? Question. Question's been called. Councelor Turner. Yes. Councelor Harless. Yes. Councelor Wagner. Yes. Councelor Landers. Yes. Councelor Newman, yes.

President Grant, yes. Resolution 1-26 has passed. The council awaits the sign signature of the council president and the mayor. I want to say something. Have you guys noticed I have a new mic at the podium? Have you guys hear better back there? Yeah. Now that you pointed out, you're right. Yeah. That's why we're going to nominate you for clerk of the year. Clerk of the year. Thank you. So, this sets the date, place, and time. Yes. Right. Okay. For the public hearing which will take place at your next council meeting. Thank you. Make sure we get that date. I'd like to attend that. Thank you. Okay. Very good. Be here. Okay. I thought it might be the rebuild. How you doing? No.

We have any miscellaneous public comments from the audience tonight? Mr. President, Councilman Newman, can I give a public comment, please? Okay. Sure. Sure you can. One thing that I'd like to see happen next week, first part of the week, I intend to go up to the fifth floor to see if uh we can get two citywide cleanups going, one in the spring and one in the fallus, so the city can start prepping up and looking like a city. And I think any effort in that way would be good, Joe. Yes, sir. Really? Thank you. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Anything from the audience you wish to speak? Yes, I do.

Come forward and give your name and your address, please. Hello. My name is Greg Carr, 2203 Cottonwood Street. Um, I have a couple items that I think need some attention, but I'm not exactly sure what the right protocol is. If you travel anywhere in this city, you cross railroad tracks, and 100% of these railroad tracks are almost impassable at speed limits. And even when they fix them, it doesn't improve. They put them too high, they put them too low. I can speak a little bit to that. Okay, sir. Thank you. The person that would be in charge of this will be the city engineer. Okay. That's Matt House. Um, at one time in Anderson, we had 56 trains that cut Anderson in half.

Uh, and so the problem was ginormous at that point and that was with the General Motors traffic. Sure. Now it is much less than that today. It is, I will say, not easy to deal with the railroads. Okay. Okay. But they've been better in the past is my recollection. Well, uh, they have their good days and they have their not so good days. But I understand exactly what you're saying and we will make sure that Matt House is aware you commented on that. Perhaps get Matt to give us a a status report. That'd be great because and he could we could get that back for the next regular session. Okay. Okay. We'll call him tomorrow. Well, appreciate that. Second item is

how come we're having so many traffic lights out around town? Well, those are all under reconstruction pretty much. Is that what it is? Because Matt House would be in charge of that also. Okay. Um I know and I know ETH and ETH and Jackson was out for more than a week. Uh but that's and we'll get Matt to comment on that too. There was a car accident there. It's what? There was a car accident. Oh, there was. Yes, they had to worry that was out. Go ahead. And they had to order things because they done replaced the one over there at Central on 29th and put two new lights up. So, now there's four signal lights there. Well, yeah, they had to order. Okay, that's great. Okay, so something is going to give us information on that and we'll have that for you by next meeting.

Okay, I appreciate it. And you know, that's very sensitive given the fact that we're having these electricity rate increases and you know, the traffic signals are in and out, in and out. So, if that could be addressed, that'd be great. We'll get that on. And if you'll come back next month, I will. I'll have you answer before that. Make sure they have your telephone number. We'll do that. When I talk to Matt, I'll call you. Okay. Great. Thank you. Okay. You don't have to give it out publicly. No, I just I'll take my call. Any other comments? Public comments, Mr. Chairman. Councilman Newman. I move for adjournment. Second. We have a motion, a second for adjournment. We are adjourned. 640.