Planning Board - Regular Meeting

Right. So, um, my conversation about consistency is going to be short because I'm not going to, uh, get into it too deep. there was, but I'm going to I need to work on it before I do that. Um, but I do want to talk about my conversation with Ron Mils. So, in talking to Ron and talking about the LWRP and talking about consistency review is that he would like to have us and I I think it's rightfully so, a document that basically says what triggers it going to this committee versus him just approving a document. He said he's never seen so many Aldo repeat applications being made as he has in the last few months. And when he asked me about it, I said, "What are you getting?" And he go, "Well, I got this doc. I got that." Well, if they're docked, they don't need to come here because it's routine. Yeah, it would trigger review, but the review would be for you because you're the first person to receive it. You're going to decide if it's if if it's big enough and heavy enough that it needs to have more deeper examination and and maybe more eyes on it than you want. Meaning, if it's a doc for a personal doc, then that's just routine. It's not reaching the level of having to go to a full committee and have another month that has to wait to get its its permit to do it. Well, don't ducks need core approval anyway. Well,

they do, but they but then it triggers the LWP, which means they go to core to get permit. Oh, okay. But then the LP means it kicks the town for town to turn around and say yes or no. Then it's a dock. Then he could just say it's a dock. You got the core. So, so the last time we had one of these, I gave you comments and I talked about a couple of things in there. What you need to have is that guy needs to have a standardized list of best management practices. We don't need to see it anymore. He just hands them the best management practices,

right? So, if you're going to tear up the landscape to put the dock next to the shoreline and connect it, then you need to do some erosion control and you need to cover that. You know, the things like that basic stuff to protect water quality. I mean, he and I could put that together, you know, five minutes probably and then that's what they do. They don't need if they do that then they don't need to come here. No, they don't. Docks we shouldn't be looking at unless the docks in a wetland or something else then if you're going to divert a wetland or a creek or something like that. I think that's when it's going to trigger us.

You know, basic docks, you know, like the one that I reviewed while you were you weren't here, but it was there's certainly enough mail floating around. You probably see what I wrote, but it's not too elaborate, but we're protecting the area from erosion. uh damage of the shoreline and didn't have any problem really with the dock. It was an open pile dock. Didn't consume any habitat. You know, it was just the kind of thing that is fairly routine. But I think that Mils's problem is is he needs to have a management. He needs to have a basic management plan and say if you're going to build an open doc, this is the stuff that you got to follow up with as you after you're doing it or while you're doing it. Yeah.

And that could be done fairly easily. Okay. Then I what I would suggest is that you and I and hims have a have a sit down and talk about it. Okay. Um I I suggested we do is to go back to the state department and talk to them because they would probably have some um some utilities of some sort, you know, documentation or guideline that would help him. But he for some reason he doesn't want to do that. Um well, it's in the nationwide permits that are issued to the core. Department of State's got everything that they could possibly worry about is in that

that uh certification that they provide. All you got to do is just pull that out and use that. But he doesn't want to read that because that's a federal document. It's got lots of pages on it. And I know that the poor man would be exasperated. He's got a lot of work to do and he doesn't need to be sitting there looking at 19 pages of justification and federal gobbledegook, right? Okay. So that's an orient trigger it just like a seeker would or you know in that so it either it gets triggered downstairs or it doesn't. So my lands in the coastal zone it gets it's triggered somehow.

That's up to them looking at that to say this is needs LW. I mean I'll self admittedly I haven't read that document of the application in two years. I'm trying to boggle my mind where it is back through the book and it's not there's a lot of questions about it Paul like not just from Ron but you know town board has questioned me about it and I I read through and so those questions should come to us so we can

so that even we had this flowchart when we were trying to set aside how it would come through um the town but I don't trust it because we did a couple of flowcharts and then had tons and tons of discussion after and I'm I'm concerned to rely on one of these and it wasn't clear enough for me to to pinpoint it. So, if we could do that piece for him and then as well just a general flowchart. Well, I told you what we needed as a basic. If you hand anything else over to anybody else beyond that with a flowchart, then you're putting the the uh you're hiring the criminals to guard the bank, right? I mean,

internally, like town board doesn't understand, a few town board members don't understand how it works. So, if we could simplify it, it would be fantastic. It was in two formats when we were doing the book was either we become the agency for the review or the the building department the zoning office or becomes the review and we elected to go with the department doing it.

Now the department is kind of scratching their head saying I'm getting all these. I never got these. I had one a year and all of a sudden I'm getting them on a regular basis. Yeah. Because we have an official document now where the other one wasn't official. Well, you also have a program set in place that those things are regulated now and have to be looked at, whereas before they were all sliding under the under the the pavement, you know, not get being looked at by anybody. Exactly. So, if he was seeing one a year, it's because the other 59 of them weren't even being reported because everybody said, "Well, who cares? Nobody wants." Right. So,

so I think we need to I would love to turn around and before um we can turn around and review that. and Ron and I talked about it earlier about definitely the F charge who brought that to my attention again. Oh yeah, remember that. Um because the town board member, they're going to get in because somebody's going to turn around and bark about it and we're we're going to have to turn around and say there is a review and yes, he can just go that far, but that's all he needs to go. Um and if he goes deeper into the property and crosses a creek, then it's going to be a different ball game.

Well, you can't pigeon hole all of this stuff into one category. I mean the open pile docks you can do that but you start talking about screen modifications habitat uh modifications they're going to be case by case they're not going no flowchart's going to help you there just going to the basics I need is that where is it how is it being done what's when it's going to be done all of that you know basic stuff that I sent you and then we have to review it and decide whether we want to let it go or not or we want it conditioned and each one of those are going to be conditioned a certain way depending on where they're located, you know. So, you can't pigeon you you cannot put those into little pigeon holes, you know. Yes.

But, but common docks like open pile docks, you can't. You did send that to me and did Yeah, it did. Slipped my mind. Yeah, it did. You never answered it. So, I was wondering my mind. Okay. Yep. I remember seeing it then. Okay. So, what do you think? You want to be there, too? It does. My biggest concern is um I think it's going to be simple. It's not all simple, but the part that gets to flow from Ron that that he doesn't have to touch could be simple. I guess the question I have is what is the town board seeing that that they're raising questions about? They just want to understand the process and when they are involved and when they're not.

Okay, I understand that. But who's triggering that process? Somebody out there is is complaining that's raising the issue. I think in the past year this has gotten a lot of attention um in the media in the community and I know about it and because I sat in this room for yeah five years working on it but even after all that time I still would like to have something simplified to say this is when you get involved. Nobody nobody's taken decisions away from the town board

according to if you read this but there's a flowchart to gain information before it goes to the town board. So it's a little different than all our other stuff has been where it goes to them and they decide who looks at it. Does that help? Yes. And from my point of view I want to make sure the LDRP is used and it's not a a hammer but it's actually a process which means you just go through a process. I don't want it to be a hammer. I don't want it to be uh a document that everybody's terrified of. I want it to be a document that has a lot of positive to it because it does. It's a tool. It's a great tool. A tool. And then there's questions about the projects in it, too. Yeah.

You know, like where do we get involved? How do So, it it's not a negative I'm not coming at this in a negative way. And I don't think that um the town board members that have asked me about it, they just want to understand, especially when people are talking about grants for certain things. You know, we just talked about a kayak. We're going to have the consultant come in and give them a presentation anyway. What happened to that? For some reason, it never materialized. That was going to be the executive uh summary of the document, which we I ended up doing, but that would prompt the discussion and then from there, you can refine where you want to go with it. But, you know, it's right now we're just shooting at the sky. I don't know what, you know, I don't know what they want, what their concerns are. They just want this big old thing. Yeah.

Like this. They want they want to know something hits and this is where it goes. That's all. So, I guess the question, do we have one something like that for the master plan? That's a big old document.

I do. I do. I do. I like to I would like to see a consistency document for the elder consistency document for the master plan as well. Uh I think that projects coming in they should be seen in consistent is it consistent what the master plan is trying to strive for. I mean, right now we're actually doing the zoning reform, which is looking at the code, and in that review, we're working with the planner to make sure it's aligning with the master plan. So that the master plan has teeth because the code now is making the master plan real. Whereas the the plan of 95, the code never got done until 2004. And the people that wrote it were lawyers and didn't have any idea about the master plan. this time we're trying to make sure the master plan is embedded with hope. I think the short of it is is that it's a big document and I think the fact that it went through that I think the town probably thought they'd see one or two of these a year and they would deal it with it and this is assumption

but they would deal with it and it would come here and we would tell them where and what I don't my my my thought process is is that so a lot of these are coming in and not quite sure where they're supposed to be going. So I think I assume that assume that the ask is all right when these come in do I have to send these to the town board should these be immediately sent to the to our board for review and what is that trigger for them to be reviewed to hear what you're saying is that a standardized dock as long as it's not implementing anything outside of a dock and not the shoreline eco any of the rest of that more or less can be moved along but the rest of it more or less does have to come here if it if they're putting in an application. We now we are the ones to review to see if it fits into the doc if it fits into what we foresee for the waterfront. It's not for us to decide how where and how big the pilings and all that whatever whatever they're doing that's up to all the other agencies.

Yeah. Because you've already you already decided that that that office is going to handle all of the details. All right. So what what um Jen is saying here is correct. I mean, it's going to come here and we'll say, "Yeah, it's in a coastal zone, and these are some things you got to look at." Now, we can give them a best management practice for that that category of activities. Uh, but we don't have very many simple activities aside from that doc that you can do that on, right? The rest of them are going to have to be on a case-byase basis. That still doesn't put us in a regulatory role. It puts us in an advisory role. Correct. Because they don't have the expertise in that office to do that.

Correct. They might get it if they work on a few of these. The other thing I really would have to ask is just how many of these things are they getting that's supposedly the big workload? A dozen. I mean, rather than one. I think that's I think he was talking about that. I mean, he not freaking out over it, but then the question is, how many do I send to you? Do I send everything to you? And I'm going, well, for the doc, I don't see why you're going to I ran a regulatory program where we did five to 7,000 applications a a fiscal year. Yeah. And I I'm thinking you got a dozen of them here. What are your what's your concern?

A positive outlook to this though is that people both department and town board are asking for a process and procedure and a flow. And if people are on that wavelength and thinking that way, I for one want to celebrate that and do all I can to support it because that's been a big drive for me this year's process and procedures of we're not running in circles even as simple as it might be. I agree. Then we should have a meeting when we have this meeting. We should have milks with us. Yeah. Well, no imaging for that. You'll be here

because in that one situation where the docks are involved, the town actually has ordinances to cover the darn docks. So, they have regulatory authority that predates the LWR. He just wants to make sure that what he has in his ordinance is is not overstepping or underststepping what we're doing here with the the document. I mean, I I'm just the thing about is I do not want to see the elder P end up on a shelf and not referred to. And I think too often it's obviously not happening that way because of what's going on. Right.

Exactly. So I don't want them to have excuse to put it on the shelf and not deal with it. I want them to deal with it. So we we put five years into it. I think it's better for us to have anything that touches the shoreline quite frankly to come to us right now and then we can say by shown of example of things come in where it's a learning curve for all of us that like oh these doc projects set like this or something but as they come to us I like to turn around and have an official document saying yeah if it's this kind of example that example this example so that we document that so we can give him something that he has as has a flow right we can turn around review them all like we've been reviewing. But the question is is we're not coming up with a tool.

I think we talked about that at one time doing that. You know, my hope was that if you did that enough times, he would get an understanding of what those best management practices would be. Yes. But I'm guessing that's not probably going to happen. No, because what's happening is the thing comes in. We're we're discussing we put out a memo, but he isn't here for the discussion. if you were for the discussion, which is you he gets the memo and the memo gets filed. So, he's not keeping track of what we're saying about things, right? He could put this thing together himself if he wanted to, but I'm sure his workload does. Yeah. I I just think it's a learning curve on all and I think it's better to overdo it for the first year.

Yeah. and make sure that this is being implemented right and trying to help them back each other up, you know, and figure it out. Then people that wrote it are in the room. Like everybody here wrote it. So you're in the room because it's not even Ron's understanding. Ron's going to retire. Oh, great. And so we'll be doing this all over again. Well, no. You may end up retiring. I may retire and then what they brain trust is gone. it better than you found it and stabilize it before as soon as you So I just see it as a um to make everything stable and longstanding and then then it doesn't circle anymore. It's precise.

Yes. So then we're going to set up a meeting for the our three at the end and Ron. Yeah, that's it. If you want be anybody wants to be there for the meeting, we're gonna have a whole meeting with the whole crew during the day because that's when Ron works. Yeah. I don't want to make the guy come in on overtime. He's frazzled enough. So, I mean, we've worked on many other projects in there and a lot of times it's just a matter of having the conversation and figuring this out. And I think that

I really I'm like I said making assumptions, but I think this is hitting more than they thought and they're kind of like like they're it's they're not having the chance to there wasn't full review. Even I've talked to some other council people like one asking me about dredging and I'm like my answer was anything that happens on the shoreline has to go through the LWRP. If it touches the water it's near that shoreline LWRP and I end the conversation because one you guys are more me but that's my understanding of it. Yeah. And that is just that you mentioned the concept of dredging that brings that opens a whole new ball game that involves the DEC and core and chemical analysis of the sediments. Yeah.

And so that's not that's way beyond our our scope here. Now we can sit here on the sidelines and say, "Hey, you know, you go to the DEC and the core and if you come back to us if you have a permit, right? We'll decide what we're going to do with the LWRP. It's probably going to be rubber stamped." But the thing is is that that's that's a more difficult process. And yeah, and I and and you know that's what they normally did. It's just the question was now that there's the LWRP instead of just going through those agencies, does it need to touch here? Does it now need to touch here? And so my answer and and I might be wrong, correct me, but I was like, if it touches that shoreline and it it is now part of the LWRP and needs to touch here,

you still put all your permits in asking for the dredging with the DC, the core, whatever you got to do, but until I and I self adminely don't have my head totally wrapped around this either, so it's not issue a permit without a coastal zone certification. Mhm. Certification traditionally was issued by the state of New York, Department of State, but now that we have our own plan, we are the ones that are going to issue that. So, so I wasn't aware of that. In other words, you're going to have you could have people out there that have a permit and they may get an authorization sort of, but they don't have it yet because they don't have an LWRP, which they have to get from us. That's why everything should come to us. And

yeah, I think a lot of these will be, you know. Yeah. So, and then down the line. So, let's get the procedures down and and figure that out, you know. All right. I jumped my own agenda. You should make a motion. Jim to approve the minutes. I entertain a motion to approve the minutes. It'll last me. So, moved. Second. Second. All in favor? Thank you. I like I was looking at going I know I I'll get it in there someday. I'll get it in there. These are with the new this. That's why I put it in. I just have a question. Do they need to get a building permit to put a dock in? Yeah. Huh? They need to get a building permit to put in a dock.

Yeah. Yeah. My neighbor had one and and included of public hearing. Okay. I just wonder because I'm looking I looked at the last two months of B of um building permits and I guess you have to wait till spring to start asking for one when the ice is out of the river. So he hasn't really had one in six months, right? Well, you know, when you think about it, logically speaking, they should be asking for these things as soon as Labor Day is open. So you So by the time spring comes, you're ready to put it in and you got your authorization. But they don't do that. They wait till the last minute when the W weather gets better and then they start, right?

So I still don't know what this workload is. like and the thing is with Ron is that we have this discussion about Ron's over there, we're over here. Where's Ron? Where are we? Well, I need to talk to the guy. I need to know what he's dealing with every single day because we're not getting it. We're not getting the message back and forth the right way the way we're doing it now. Right. So, I think the way you'll be doing it is that if he has an Eldor application, he comes in and explains what he has. So, here's the conversation we're going to have with it. That would probably be the most logical way. Right. Right. That way, he's seeing it.

I think once you went once you get something rolling and he understands the process a little bit better and what what we're looking for and what what he has that it'll be a little bit easier for everybody to understand, I hope. And not that that I've read the whole thing, but I mean, we've read it. I can't tell you if I retained it all. Yes. My mind 500 pages. So, I'm talking about the minutes real quick. I'm going to digress in a minutes. So, at the last meeting, we ran uh three ways of doing the minutes. Four ways. What was the fourth? So, we have I did cocoa notes and I have those. That's what I gave you. And then quad

we did quad no pro and then teams Microsoft teams and then the zoom. Oh this right but it wasn't producing minutes visual minutes but well YouTube can get get give you a transcript yes but it's hard to oh it's just nobody has used it yet. I've looked at the transcript when I've tried to find something. That'd be unbelievable. We'll do a script transcript that he doesn't do a summary notes on Zoom. Just the transcript. You think we should be going with this? Um, it's not on my agenda, but I think we need to we should move to teams, but

I think that's where we could try to go. It's with the co-pilot and stuff in it built in. It's pretty nice. So there's a little bit to figure out, but I mean the tech board, we've been using it for a while and I think this group is probably the next good group to try that out with still simultaneously. So we do we do we log into teams on the on the screen would. Yeah. So I'm change the controller to Teams instead of Zoom. Does it get recorded as a video then too as well for for hosting? It does. Does everybody intend to public see the teams video or there are connections to make that public? Yeah. either. Okay. So, can that go to YouTube? We can download and put it on YouTube the way it's same way.

It' be the same thing. You never know. Mhm. I think we should try that. Yeah. I think next meeting we'll try it. Okay. And the nice piece about like the files that we share. We can start building those in Teams, which you and I have done a couple times here in the past. Jen has too. So, but I mean for the size of those that your binder, you don't have it today, but Oh, there can always showing you right there. Right. But for the size of that, we can put that on there as a digital file and anybody who has a login.

Got it. Because we got some master plan going in there. We got And then I wanted to put the other uh the other organization stuff in there, too. I wanted the NRI in there and all the other plans have been developed. So, they're all part of it. Um because they're they're all as far as I'm concerned as each committee or each advisory board turns around builds a planning document it ought to be put into the into the or to the long range planning committee because it's something we refer to all those documents when we're actually doing the planning. Yep. Okay. So I think that's our next direction to try that out. See how it works here. and we've done that. All the subcommittees have been working on Teams, so everybody's familiar with

um the files. Originally, it was trouble getting people connected in because we had some barriers with employees, but I think we've worked through that. Well, I was on Teams, the next thing I know, I was not on Teams. So, I'm kind of like, uh, are we all on Teams right now? Like, can we be all I mean, what's going to change when you do this? The link that you click would not be Zoom then. It would be Teams. It' be Teams. Oh, okay. Um, and you can because you have the link, you can join as a guest just like Zoom is today. So, I can do that from my home computer. You sure can. Okay. Yep. Even if it's an old code, old software. Yeah. Okay.

And our documents could be in one folder under this advisory board. So, we wouldn't have to search through emails. They'd be there, which would be So, you would log in with your personal email. Yeah, through teams and the teams that you're a member of as an external participant, you would see that data. The other greatest thing about this, it saves the town over $900 a quarter. Okay, that's why we even started this conversation a few months ago, but it's it's um hard to kick everything at once. And we've had problems and whatnot. I mean the streamlining of everyone using the same thing with the the same place. Yeah.

It seems common. Never mind. I won't even say it there. It's common sensical. I think the word no additional charges there. No files too big to send. The list goes on and on. It's just it's the change and the organization of it. I'm good for we have a master helping us. shouldn't have any person that's I'm ask where he wants to go. I'm on try it out. I mean yeah I I think that's the way to go. I mean it makes me it's going to make my life a little earlier because it's greenways all teams which is we're all I like it. Um well it's the trend these days. I still struggle.

It is it is the trend. Yeah because I don't I keep it open for notifications and stuff and I'm Yeah. Everybody here does so much email. My husband runs this whole company out. They do everything. Yeah. And it's it's there's some substantial in communication going on there. So I think it would be great. Okay. I don't know. So that's what I want to say. That was the piece I was going to talk about on the minutes and I just blew right past it. Um I guess I was too heavy getting into conversation to a bigger heavier distinction.

All right. So, we're gonna we're gonna set up a meeting and with Ron and do that. Um, I definitely want to be with Paul and I and and if you could be there representing so the town board's got input. Jen, I would like to see you there. If you could find time in here, let me know. Just text me. Let me know. I'll make it work. You know, this will be a daytime meeting, right? It will be a daytime meeting.

All right. All right. So, with that, uh, I'm going to move into, um, Rhonda's stuff. Rhonda turned around and basically at the last meeting uh asked us to come up with some homework. How many people done it? Um I did something to where is it? Oh procedures for Rhonda. Um and we're going to talk about that. Could you lead that conversation?

Sure. So, I I will admit I tried to read these before I came didn't quite get there to go back over our notes, but this is um the procedure that we put into the design commercial design performance standards was worked on um for quite a while. It had input not just from us with every advisory board, but it also had input from um some major department heads. it building engineering because that's where the workflow for projects. We were really focused on commercial projects when this was created and that's why it fell into the um design standards for commercial projects. But what we've been seeing what I have noticed over the past especially the past year is um that this needed to be expanded beyond just some commercial projects and maybe um the triggers, as we called them, for when it fell into the process needed to be um really fine-tuned. One of the biggest areas I've seen is any type of legislation change. We've recently done solar law changes, battery storage, um a farmland changes. Those are just three right off the top of my head. And it seemed like they circled a bit and they bounced from board to board instead of having just a easy consistent flow which is what this design this performance does this prog process does. It sends it to all the boards at one time. So they all get the document at one time. It asks for feedback from each board. So, so town board when they're working on something like that, they're not trying to figure out who should see

it and who shouldn't see it. It just goes everywhere and then it's up to the board's input. If you don't have any input on it, you just say this doesn't affect our area of expertise, but we have reviewed. Thank you for the opportunity. I don't know whatever your memo says. It could be something as we wrote it up here. we see some situations in um if it went to traffic advisory, we see a situation here um and we need some time or it could say we see a situation here. Here's a solution that we propose for it. So all of this information is going to the planning board who has to then give that final advisory to town board. So one of the triggers I really think needs to be added to here is any legislation change. Mhm.

The other thing we talked about was a project is approved. It's a a large project, be it a PDD, be it a subdivision, it's got a site plan, it's been through approval, and then it goes quiet for some time. Let's say it's two years, and then the project manager, Mr. builder shows up at the counter and he's ready to do some permits and get going. But after two years, maybe something else went within that gritted area and now there's going to be a strain on our infrastructure

and wait a minute because it is it is I think most of our belief that um when somebody's building something they're responsible for fitting into our community instead of us taxpayers taking care of them fitting into our community. When I say that, let's say there needed to be some mitigation with SE sewer or septic or water or anything. Um, at that point it could be, well, I know this was approved, but it was approved two years ago. We've had a lot of changes around you. So, we need to take another look at those. Those projects could then go back through this process and again, all the boards take a look. I don't know what some of these timelines need to be. I don't know if um how much time it is. Another thing is the project has substantial changes. You know, they come back. I know this was approved, but we want to change 10 things. Is 10 the number that then needs to be looked at again because some changes are pretty substantial. So though I don't know how you guys feel about this, but we've seen some things get bounced around quite a bit.

Does it matter what approval they're at as concept versus site? I mean, there's a whole big difference between concept approval, which basically is what we have in one situation right now, and no site plan approval because we don't have any elevations and materials and things like that. So, we have no idea what it's going to look like or whether we really have everything that we need to know about that. So what I'm looking at is that you got somebody that has a concept plan and they and they approve the concept plan. Okay, two years down the road they come in and go, "Okay, we got the concept. Now we bring in the site plan. Now we got another trigger that we now somebody's got to look at that site plan to get that approved." But are we then when we're at the site plan and they wait two years before they pull a permit and we look at them and say, "Wait a minute, you didn't make any progress on this." depending on what kind of site approval we gave you, whether we if we gave you a PDD, we're going to have to think about this, but and so that's something that we tried to get before, Jim, it was to try to get a sunset clause on a PDD, which I understand now is

I don't know if we can are we allowed to do that. Can we put it in there? You're saying you can't. I mean, but not here's I guess I back up problem. They come in support when they gave the concept give them a PDD or the PDD get really approved when they get the site plan. They gave them the PDD when they get when they approved the that was a concept. There's no site site plan for this because they haven't they haven't they haven't um submitted all the requirements. There's no elevations, there's no materials, there's no um So,

well, here's an example. So, this month at the planning board, we had and and I understand completely why it works this way, but we had a certain person that came in and presented a concept plan to us about a possible campground idea in the center of town. And I think it's smart to come in and ask and say, you know, hey, planning board, is this something that you foresee? Is this something if I now dig in and put a lot of money into what will I need to do to make this compliant is am I wasting my time? Um is there zoning changes that need to be made? Are there other things around it that I need to be made aware of? So, um, but I see what like Judy's saying, like I don't know why something like something and it's not, but let's just say a napkin written plan idea that comes forward that needs to come and be approved by all the boards because it's very well we don't know where it or where it would go. So, but then on the other level, it's like, well, if boards are going to have say conservation with an issue on the northeast sides of a piece of property or this or that, I mean, when does that trigger like Rhonda is saying too as to where we can get ahead of it and not at the end where the where the stamped things are drawn up and done. So, I mean, that's a I don't know. That's a touchy spot because I understand both reasons for why those things are coming forward and you talked about, you know, what was going on down on that one situation that we've gone over multiple times. I mean, I understand why it was a whole lot of concept plans on one level trying to figure out that's basically the density that could fit in there. Did

that but that I just think that project itself was an anomaly of it on its own. Well, I think typically how they have a concept plan, but then they're going to go get a site plan because the site plan comes in different than the concept plan. Wouldn't that trigger a review? The con Yeah. The concept plans are often very like Yeah. You draw it in and say this is with no scale, know what it's going to look like. It just is basically saying this is my piece of property. I want to put this here. This is what I have in mind. There's no real setting. What we approved for G view was a concept plan. It's not a site plan,

right? But it only got approved on a concept plan. I mean that to me that's a problem in itself because if the if the site plan doesn't relate or doesn't really reflect truly what the concept plan is then you got you got that's where I think zoning would come into it Jim because if you're going to change the zoning on a piece of property regardless of what the concept plan is we would want to look and say okay you're going to turn this into industrial business residential PDD incentive zone meaning package like that could be the trigger is if it's a zone change, that's going to throw it into a lot of things.

And they managed to to issue a negative deck on it on a concept plan. How do you issue a negative deck on a concept plan? I mean, they had all kinds gave us all kinds of stuff that says, "Oh, this and that and this and that." But they said, "Okay, we'll get a we'll we'll give you a negative deck on that, so go right ahead." I to me that didn't that of course then again we said it didn't match. So yeah, if we do a consistency review with something, here's another thing. The LA the two biggest projects, they've gone completely opposite of what we have said. I know according to the documents that we have actually created,

right? So So I I mean that just kind of gets to me a little bit too. Well, hopefully Ben, if we can get this set down where like I think going backwards a little bit, this whole thing should be taken out of the design standards and be it can stay in there as a a brief review for anyone that comes in and this is what just so they know, hey, forefront this is how our process works in the town. But the element of the triggers and that should be a separate document that should be known between the planning board downstairs board. Well, I agree. I don't think it belongs in the performance standards. I think it belongs as as a as a trigger for planning.

Going back to that, that's Judy. I think that might help is if it's a zoning change because that could be small, which when you're really looking at a piece of property that that could have large impact or really and a zone change is typically a pretty big difference versus commercial, residential, industrial versus, you know what I mean? But that's in here. I think the zoning should be would would trigger a lot of that if we follow the procedures and the policy. I think what's happened this and I'm going to use your words to

this is not I'm not trying to create a hammer. This is not to be a hammer or anything. And I'm not I'm not trying to look at spec like a specific project. only use projects and and legislation, things that have happened as examples because um it can be a tool and a tool that can help internal departments, um advisory boards, the developers, the residential person that's coming in to do, you know, like it's it's just so we have a tool. It's nice when everybody's on the same page and you're not chasing. I have spent three months chasing something

but it's an expectation and then it allows all the boards you have to you have you got your notice and then which has been a common thing that boards should be falling into some of these reviews and they don't. So um I think that's important. Well, the town of Clarence has, if you looked at it, a commercial project review process, like nine pages, so I didn't print it, but you could just you can go I can send it to anybody. And it's pretty I I I mean, it's got a a concept review process and it and it has a site approval review. So, the Where's that Amherst? Yeah, I can I'll send it to you. I'm not got it on my phone right now. The code has site clearance

procedures and that's all documented within our code. The problem is is the advisory role that goes ahead of it is the argument that we're trying to outly that we're all on the same page and that the person that's coming in wanting to develop something has the understanding that okay and and it will help a lot of them too. A lot of them they go in front of town board and then everyone looks at and I'm not pointing but saying oh this should did this go to the traffic safety advisory board and they're like no and like okay we're going to have to table it because we need to get feedback from traffic but if we have that set then it's a 30-day and and and it will make everyone's life easier and the process move

because you need see I noticed this Monday night one thing I did notice is that the board members aren't they don't know everything there is to know in our code and in in the the uh the documents that they had when Mr. Chen stood up and complained about the um uh the storm water management said and said that flooding only appears in as a word in it once. I well normally we just call it excessive runoff and kind of get away from flood and which is what it is but we have a whole section in our code that's flood that's flooding in in in eco in our e-code. So it is addressed as legislation, not simply as as a plan, you know, as a storm water management plan plus storm water coalition that we belong to and a whole bunch of other stuff that we belong to. So it was one of those things that he stood up there for, you know, whatever how many long he said it, but there wasn't anybody that could say, well, we have that we have flooding in our code. We have there's a reason it's flooding isn't mentioned there. It's called runoff. It's called other things. You know, flooding is not something we want to occur in storm. But so I read it. I read it this morning. It kind of bothered me about it. So, you know, it's just one of those things.

I'm the council person who had referred people to in where it was because we accepted it. We accepted the the annual report. Okay. Yeah. But when we do that at a meeting, we don't like tell anybody what it is or where they can find it. Mhm. So I was trying to say, you know, it's here, but within that section, there are some great material pieces because the whole point of that plan is to educate residents. So I appreciated that someone like went and looked at it and I always appreciate the comments and um

but to understand that we do address flooding and we're we're trying to address I mean good lord, we've got grant stuff in process to try to get stuff done for flooding. To your point, I don't know all of Oh, no. I didn't.

So, I I see where the the whole point of having all the advisory boards give their input in the very end, the last group that it really helps this town board to make truly educated decisions and feel that we have all the information we possibly can have to make the best decisions. That's how I feel about it. I mean, if if once you've worked with these boards like I have and it's amazing. Try it over. Did you go to sleep? I know. I got a cramp in my leg just said. Ouch. You need a water? No, I'm good.

Really? I mean, I And Judy, I agree with you, but I think it's really backing it up to the fact or the fact of procedure, right? So, we need to we need to highlight with this the triggers that we want to put down and say, "Hey, all right. this is what this is already is what's stated in our design standards, but this is a a through g of like listen if it's a zone change if it's something that's um is 5 we wanted to talk about is 5,000 square feet the right number that should go this should go through boards I think legislation absolutely because everybody when it comes to especially these big documents and things like that or major changes um yes But it's really going to be and again it's going to be up to the liaison and the chair people to trigger read these and say okay we need to do this but so I agree with everything that Rhonda you had we had talked about at the last meeting. Um, I think it should be taken out of I think this should be a separate document so it's simple and easy and I'm willing however with that. I think um I think we could all point at some odd things that have gone on in the town. We're not going to be able to fix everything. But the fact of the matter is the system we have now nobody's happy with. Whether it's us, whether it's advisory board members, town board employees that work here. So the goal was to simplify this in some sort of manner and I really I did I didn't think about taking it separately out but I think it's smart.

Um I think I think it should be in design standards it should be referred to it should be a standalone document because I think it should be a global document more than for everything. Well for more like I'm going to use battery storage. Okay. So that's been bounced around. We paid attorneys, paid them again, paid them again, paid them again, and then then we get something from CAB. Well, we didn't see that. So, and there were good points made. Then it went it's just it it just brings everybody together quicker. We have all the information we need

and and we can do then we can move on to another great thing to do. I agree. I I think it's it's easily and I think change is hard, but I think it will make all the boards a lot happier to know that they've had opportunities at things.

Um and then it back it helps the the town board too and say, "Listen, that was sent to you. I'm sorry that um you know, EDAB, you didn't have remarks to make, but you got it and you didn't get it in in time. We, you know, and go from there." But this lays off 80,000 people screaming 40,000 different directions I think and makes it a better front for our town. So zoning I think a zoning change which that's already in there. So we have I'm going to check it if you go zoning legislation. Um the other thing was 5,000 square feet is what we originally had in there. There was

do we for what do we foresee about that number? I mean we've done 20% change of the building. That's what I was going to bring up. You said that with planning board looks at that, don't they? Yeah. If it's 20% has to.

So I don't necessarily know if 20 the idea is planning board will see all of this. This is all already in the planning board scope. It's a matter of what needs to go to all the advisory boards. That's the question. Where does the trigger go that it's a conservation issue? You know, it's not someone just adding landscaping. on that. But, you know, putting an island in the front to make their property look nicer, it's it's making significant changes. What same thing with traffic, you know, they're going to add We added three spots to the front of Chipotle. Chipotle, I say it. I don't even know anymore because I make fun of it along with my kids. Anyways, we added three spots to the front of that parking lot for that building. I don't think that needed to go through all the advisory boards just to add those three spots. It's kind of it wasn't Yeah, it wasn't changing drainage. It wasn't training traffic. It wasn't ch changing anything. So, I think the exercise is trying to figure out what those what what constitutes in conservation that you think, oh, conservation should probably look at this on a scale. What try you know what I mean? That's what I guess. So, right now you had you had zoning changes, a building that's going to have a um 5 5,000 5,000 square foot expansion

and 5,000 square feet in general. Square feet. Yeah. Then a major subdivisions and then long-term dominacy meaning one or two years. Um and then a change of percentage of a plan meaning up to 20% needs to be triggered. Yeah,

that's what we're saying is this. Well, there's something to be said because when we're talking about the long scale project, um we have one company on the island that started small but has very right or wrong has piece peel peeled or peacemeal very small growth within their company and every piece that comes is not significant. But we when we look at the we never look at the overall buildout of where that has gone or what has come to it of impact.

Yeah. So I think that's the question was you know how do we if we're going to put this in how do we look at projects like that where we say you know yeah because I mean if I own the company I would do it the same way too. It's small pieces and they ask for this and that. I It's smart. But on the other level, we're talking we didn't really, you know, certain things where you add this part of the building, you add that part of the building. We didn't really look at the whole traffic impact of this whole thing. We we were looking at traffic and pollution and noise and green space in nature

and everything. Yeah, it seems minute, but it is it's bigger than what we would have potentially wanted there impact. So that's another question is looking as to see where do we want that to be a trigger. Yeah. I mean they're all they're complex and yes we are advisory boards role and we can't overlook everything and that's why we have elected officials and employees in this town but it's also giving the opportunity to where the volunteers and people that the talent some of the talented people you know that have an opportunity to put some say in it. 20% of one thing is insignificant. 20% of another is significant. That's where the square footage helps too.

Yeah. If you don't you're doing the Grand Island Plaza, then it's one building. So that that's easy. But if you're going to have four buildings like tops having four buildings, you're not looking at the overall. But are you permitted to look at them as a whole? Right. Are you not permitted to?

That's the question I've been asking for about a year. Well, maybe that just should be what what it is. I mean, sometimes on an individual basis, you got to look and say, well, it doesn't really trigger, but but in the past, this is what's happened here. And this is this is something that keeps, you know, like you're saying, this a little bit, a little bit, a little bit, you know, give them an inch and eventually they got a mile, you know. So, it's one of those things that maybe you want to take a look at what what the progression is there and as are are we looking at something that could become a problem down the road if I mean that doesn't really

but it's it's an example that has come up and that we like the planning board started questioning or other people outside have started questioning that concept. So cuz my mouth is running I'm adding I mean so it's I mean you really never envision when you did tops nobody envisioned well you're going to take your parking lot and because it's so mammoth it's going to be coming out buildings are going to start popping up and you had the parking

more in the industrial sector than it is commercial because in commercial we still have to look at the parking spots we have to look at what those commercial buildings are being used for. If it's just something that's a small retail, they have different parking standards versus somebody that has dining inside. We have to we have to give so many parking spots to each seat that's in there for people like so they're put that all play those all play very differently. But I think it's really more in the industrial sector where it's the growth vector that we find you know somebody puts a large pole barn kind of structure in and then adds on it in five you know like it make it's it's over complicating it but what I'm basically trying to say is we it's we can put this down but we have to simplify it because it really go into a lot of gray or I mean how detailed do we want to be about this but it needs something needs to happen so that we

it's a process. Yes. A question for you, Jim, because this is one that I I struggle with and that's the um it's within the process. This is the one place I think that I get hung up in the process and it's number three. An information meeting is scheduled. This meeting is for the developer to present the project. And this is what really kicks off the process because you're going to have I think one day every advisory board Do you need another copy? That was from I think that you can Here's the old design standard thing. I just pages.

This is what we're talking about. But my you know again just like the concept of the site and I know that a couple of times recently we've had informal meetings with maybe someone from building and zoning and planning board for the person to say hey am I on track just like you were talking about it's a they want to do it but before they invest in the engineering and you It's will this work? And I understand that and I'm fully supportive of that. But this one like at what point do we say okay now we're going to put it before everybody because let's use all these as an example. Aldi went through this process

and when they presented it, we have just put the design standards in place which meant that all sides needed to have, you know, it was just a lot of a lot of items had to be changed, right? Yeah. There were two two big issues. One was because you're moving your building forward because there's another building behind you, you now got to dress up all four sides because we are encouraging to move forward. We are encouraging tops to put out buildings forward and therefore you have to dress all four and the other one was the rough structure cannot just be a plain jane across the board. You need to have some variations the to the facade of the building

and traffic had some concerns. So what happened was all the boards got an invitation. We they sat down, it was presented and then the boards went back to their you know the chairs or whoever was designated to be there went back and so traffic right away said oh this this is not going to work. Yep. They went to work and then by the time it got ready to get to planning board they already had a solution in place. So then yeah, where's the question of it just goes to email versus a meeting or an FYI got any comments versus I mean

and I guess this information meeting really needs to happen as it's being present like now I'm ready to go here's my plan and all those informal things can take place here and there because the clock not started until they right till they So, right.

What I I'm going to go back when I was deputy. Um when I was deputy, the one thing I required every project to have is a public review at least no level, no no less than a department head review of the project, meaning a developer coming in with all the department heads coming in with as many advisory boards would actually come. It basically gave them idea the concept. Here's where I'm going. This is what I'm doing. And as a developer, I would like to hear uh what y'all have to say. Am I off bounds? Am I short here? Or am I stretching the rules here? Or what are the rules? But then they all the all the all the town board or all the town the engineering uh all the other engineering, the zoning,

um highway, sewer, all come in and see the project. And then the advisory board chairs were invited to come. Uh, and then they would get their heads up, meaning they probably wouldn't talk much and they never did, but the department heads sure did. I mean, is I mean, Doug Larman was all over it and so was was John Whitney and so because they they would make positive impact or negative impact to it and I thought they were good reviews. Then when the project started hitting through the courses of the advisory boards then you got a lot more participation because there was a lot more openness about the concept and idea I thought and it's got lost and in when co hit it like

shut down previous site plan review is really when they put in their official application so all the informal meetings could take place to guide them to say yeah this works in zoning this and so the because that meeting is what's in our right what we said we wanted so that so we could time stamp that at time of application well I don't know his time and let's take the example of what's going on with the Rex the Rison has new owner great example right the Rison's have a new owner the developer turns around with the realtor turns around we want to do a dog pony show to talk about what we're going to do and basically put it on the table and because we're not familiar with your town could you give us some feedback back.

Mhm. And so they didn't put the document. The document literally hasn't shown up on the docket yet for formal application

because they've now taken all the comments they had to that session and they've gone back and come up with 20 different variations that they want to play on and they're about to come forward with that project. So I would say that that happens before they actually make an application. If the lawyers may want, oh no, no, we want one and the same. Well, to me, you're starting the clock and you're putting it all on the line and it's now going to go through a gauntlet because it's now going to be officially a document, right? So, to me, I think it should be a preliminary review with without an application, just looking for concept review, then it' be a application that would trigger a formal. You follow what I'm saying?

It would save them money when they have to read. They would save a lot of money by doing it that way. And I think that people dealing with the Rison have got their eyes wide open as to what they're walking into. Uh, and they understand what they need to deal with. But you had this meeting with Rison. Who was at that meeting from us? No. Well, the only one was at that meeting was me because I got invited by the realtor. So, you're I was at the first one. Yeah. But for this, you're talking about the advisory boards, advisory boards, advisory boards. And when we have a meeting like this on a big project like that, one person is there. But but the issue was that was bec I'm using that concept because to me that's where all the advisory board should have been invited. Well, and that should be the standard.

Yeah, that should you know. But I think that they were basically at that point they're walking really softly trying to figure out what am I doing with the PDD? I don't know how the PDD is going to work for me. Yeah. But you know, we have sort of a trend here because that happened there. It also happened with the um what's the name of the place down there that's still not built? The uh oh no. No, no. The the the Sha Supermarket. All right. So, I had the big Aldi's meeting. Who was there? Not us. Yes, we were. Every Yeah, we were. No, I wasn't there. I didn't even get an invitation.

So, wait, Paul, let's back up. We had a meeting where we did where this informal meeting before we had the process went out by one of the department heads and they sent it to every advisory board member. We were in the courtroom. It was packed. You start to um you start to have it can be a lot of talking, a lot of questions coming all at once with that mean with every member of every advisory board. Oh, that's fine.

And so that's why it was um said co-chairs or chair and a or designated member. It really hurts the I felt it hurt the pro productivity of that presentation because we had someone that just wouldn't let go of one one small thing and he just couldn't let it go and the conversation just we lost the whole big picture. Am I saying that right Jim? You were there. Yep. Yeah. See then and if you had had an interdisciplinary group then you would have had a different outcome.

But and someone said we didn't know anything about it. Well when we did another one and chairs were invited. You have to trust the chair you elect to your board. Yeah that's the that would be the concept of this. The chair would have to come back and say we met with all these you know we have a lot of people here said you know I'm a oneman army. I'll just go ahead and do it. you know, and forget about the fact that we have talent in these boards that's not being

But that's why we're doing this process though, so that when they do this meeting, they're supposed to bring hard copies for every board and that that chair or designated carries that back there. There has to be a a level of responsibility that that filters that the thing is that doc they they and if there's a meeting like that there literally has to be an a um a document given to every chairman to take back to their advisory boards to to have discussion.

Yeah. And we also asked I believe for a digital so that then it could go out so I could when I sat and seat cherries in now I could send that out to all the chairs or whatever I at the time if I sent it to the whole boards or whatever happened but it's still to have representation of every board in in a meeting like this at the beginning was a huge step forward. It went so it went super smooth. When they came to the planning board, they already knew the questions and the things and we the planning ma board made little comments and that was it. They made the changes that this board

um because we reviewed it after that and the design standards were put in a memo. We sent it out and they made those changes immediately. Yep. So it all went smooth. But I question because what you just explained with, you know, not the napkin drawing, but I think that needs to happen too because we don't all all the chairs don't need to. It's a volunteer position and you don't need to be there for that every time. Yeah. I mean, do you I don't know. Planning board's different,

right? But still you we still there is a balance there, right? There's a balance of finding where we fit into the envelope and don't and it's making it clear. Paul, you wanted to say something. Well, I I just was going to go to the Aldi thing. So, I I think we were invited, I'm sure. But there was no representation. So, just sending an email out and I believe the comment I heard was it's in the middle of the day and we work. Right. Right. So we need to be careful about we invited everybody but we aren't paid so we aren't there right people have jobs right

so if you invite the chair and chair's working or the subchair working yeah the chair never shares the information with anybody get the information so all of a sudden they go all these complete and we go like slips right through the cracks even how much how they have to see the email 30 days before the next meeting or well if if we go electronic and it goes to more people right it's it's easier to do but I I believe this was a invite and I don't I don't think we it was an email it wasn't a calendar it was an email and and it went with sufficient time because we were scheduling a whole company to come

well for my EDAB board I remember because I went to that meeting and it was Dave Monoya called me and said I'm the chair I can't make it then. It's during the day. Can you make it? And I said, "Yeah, of course I will do it." But my suggestion to some boards has been for things like that is that there's always a secondary person and if there's two chairs, they go on that list that goes out to chairs. Judy's on one because you were um co-chair for something at that time. So, we had a chair, a chair, and a co-chair. If there's an admin, the admin gets it, too. But it is hard. I mean people are working during I understand all all angles Rachel

but it's not just the chair that's invited to become a rep the chair needs to either do that or well it's showing one is that we like to see meetings and then the part is how do you do it in a timely period with all chairs able to make it they do and so that they got a couple first part is do we want to see them happen or because we can't get it what the hell insistent on everybody able to make it. We don't have right. You just got to I mean I always had an issue with the 30 days before because if something shows up today our cab meetings tomorrow, right? So yeah, we saw it with one day nobody sees it.

Right. Right. So So 30 days I always argued that it needed to be at least 45, but I believe I never got anywhere on that one. We all agreed to 30. I have to fix everything. Well, it's it's just because all the all the advisory boards meet once a month. Well, I think the 30 days really it's really the idea that all right, you know, a board receives this and they can't decide to talk about it in three months. It means your next meeting you should have this discussion. if your meeting's tomorrow and yours often calls that you say all right you know or or whatnot like we got it

we are going to have something to say about this please let us get our comment in and it's the I think it's the idea of like it has to like move because you have you can't take four months to do it I think that was what the spirit of it was I understand it was one of three things I see you guys fallen into it a lot with this looked at it. We're good. We um looked at it. We have a problem with it. Here's our solution. Or we looked at it. There's a problem. We need time. Right. And we're also none of the boards are I shouldn't say that.

We're busy right now. We got a lot of things on our plate. So someone says I need an answer tomorrow. Well, it depends on how it also depends on how urgency is coming. I mean, if you got a project that's going to be voted on by the town board or voted on by the planning board, then there's a sense of urgency to move that to the top of the pack. I I get to be something reviewing

and the planning board meets the second Monday of the month. So, their agendas are available like the la the first Friday of the month. So, that's that's something that that all the boards could look at if they were really concerned about, you know, what's coming up. I mean, I watch every planning board meeting and I would I would think that, you know, the chairs of some of the committees should take a look at something that they might be in. Just take a look by their agenda so that you know what's coming up. So that if you're a board chair, there's more responsibilities for being a board chair than just showing up at a meeting and working up an agenda. You really got to stay on top of everything that's going on. So you know, but let's go to Aldi just for a split second again. Right.

Okay. So, how would we know what's on all these property, right? That might have a cab input. Well, they have a seeker. Okay. Is that going to come with this process? Not with the not with the this concept plan. Of course not. No.

So, you would have to go in there and you would have to ask some questions in order to get any kind of a feel. Well, I think it would be a matter of you see all these going up, you look at the NRI document and say we've got some serious but just saying, hey, or we know there's a ton of wetlands. Like it's a quick overview of like like you know you're going to build something out in Timbuk. Here's the thing. If nobody ever told him, how is he going to know? You need a property. You need some way to take that piece of property and put it on a map to figure out what's on it.

Exactly. and and bottom line, you're closer to to knowing that answer than the town board is. And the way it used to be is the town board would decide who got it. And I don't remember the project, but sometime between 2020 and now there was a project that went to planning board and it had an eed on it. But nobody recognized that because so they didn't think they needed to. Do you remember this? They didn't think they needed it to go. So then it stopped. Everything stopped because oh at the last minute oh we can't do that. So that this was to prevent that. So so the restaurant across the street was a tab the tavern. Oh yeah.

So they just did an expansion last year, right? Did they not build up under the freaking bank of that creek? Well, they did more than that. Okay. And and did that ever make any conversation? I don't think that I heard sure didn't hit the camp. But that's why we're doing this call to find those things. And where is that expansion? What's the number? But but but that's but my comment was as we're going through this 5,000 square foot. This is a minor change. How how does that trigger anything? Well, there's your trigger right there. Anything within 50 ft of the of the of the creek should be examined. It it should have been. But wouldn't that be in building anyway?

It's already in the LWRP, I think. Wouldn't that be in the building code anyway? I mean, don't they know what the DEEC regulations are in building within 50 or 100 feet of a Greek? Yeah, but should hit the LWRP even it should have triggered at least two things. We have this selective enforcement here, you know, and it's always been selective enforcement. It's not even enforcement. We we didn't even find out about it, right? So it sort of got triggered two or three times with existing processes I think and it just zoomed right through. You know I had a comment that we need to figure out how that works.

Yeah. And that's exactly where I guess I'm trying to figure out where that gray line is is how tight we make it or how broad we make it because everyone will have different expectations. So I think we really need to focus in on we're not going to hit everything but we really need to figure out that process and procedure in that way. And that's not just on us that there's things that I know the town is working on in inner departments on that same level. And there's been a lot of comments on a generalized from the planning board that things haven't been being followed for getting things and things have been happening that were not approved and happening. And so there's a lot of people and a lot of are flagging exactly what you're flagging. And I think by try trying to do this is to give this board some some basically a soap box to stand on to say all right we put this these are the general guidelines we put together. We expect this is the non-exception 5,000 square feet any and and that's why I think what Ron is asking is if we look at the board hey Paul where do you think

it's going to have to be generalized in some way but if it's 50 feet within a creek the or the conservation board should know about this if it has wetlands on it or whatever whatever your board feels we are trying to figure out today right and we tried very hard with our rep right to get one or two things added to a checklist for cab. Mhm. Yeah. The trees on successfully. Yeah. I don't And that's a follow through that. So, we have tried to be proactive to put things on a checklist. Okay. So, what is the purpose of this board? What is the purpose of this board?

The purpose of this board is to hear from a lot of other boards so we can grab things together and make it better. looking at the big picture but collectively as a body and that's why this board is so important for the because we're not talking about procedures for one board about procedures for all boards and that all boards should be part of the procedures of showing the triggers and I think that that's what Rhonda is trying to accomplish what I think I give her a lot of credit I think every I think every board's going to have different triggers different triggers you're going to have something like this that's why she's saying the document should be separate from the performance standards. No, of course I'm I'm there.

I'm not fighting with you guys. No point out things. It's not happening today when we try to help, right? We get No, that's why we're That's why we're doing it collectively as a body. This is not coming from a board. So if you got a problem with a board, yeah,

that's not the problem, baby. because this is what collectively the boards are asking collectively to have is that there be a punch list of triggers that would would suffice to cover all boards. And so we're not they're not being singled out. It's now collective voice coming at them from a collective voice saying these are the triggers that will impact coming from all the different advisory boards. So the trigger for recreation is going to come in and say their triggers in conservation economic development. Each one's going to have their triggers and collectively we're going to say a lot of it could be to collectively together uh some of those going to be real. We're going to say anything different than 20% of your project we should review that now. That's that's the big picture, right? And so to me that's what I think we're she's trying to do and I think that's what we're trying to

when we did this we said this this is going to be fine tuning but if we can get a process in place where all boards see everything it's a win. Oh, okay. No, if they listen to it, that's their call because we can detail the heck out of it and then no one's going to use it or look at it. If parks wants to say, listen, you put in, you know, 100 ft of trails and we want to see it. I mean, this it's we're going to it's not going to this isn't going to work. You know, it what I'm saying and I'm not saying right or wrong. I'm just trying to pick another board I haven't picked on tonight.

I think you need to have you need to have balanced object objectity here. What I have uh found and I think you found a number of times there's a bias in the review process here and that one even happened last month when a certain person from a certain group department in this town said I'm not taking that to long range because I know who's on that long range committee and I know this thing's going to go down in flames now you know that's the wrong attitude to have.

Yeah. And this kind of stuff that I've seen in the past around here is I'll rearrange the review process so we can bypass these people and then they end up getting a project on the boards that's got all kinds of problems that could have been resolved in the beginning but they didn't want to talk to us. Agree with you 100% Paul. I think that's what we're trying to why we're trying to trying to help out because we you got to remember that there is no bias no way for a bias to be occurred. Yeah. Right. I mean,

and an employee doesn't want to listen to the volunteer and the volunteer who does for their day their full-time job and has more over that, they're like, "Listen, why wouldn't you take my advice?" Or the elected official that's trying to guide and direct everything has got like I get all the arguments. And what I'm saying is it hasn't worked. And so, we got to find something that is a stepping stone. And it's unfortunate a lot. I'm very frustrated away a lot of things and whatever. But I think we really need to in order to move this forward and let's get somewhere because if we put it in here, nobody read it, nobody did anything with it. We're still going with the same problems. We have support from the town board members saying, "All right, let's get something together." and they then they have clear objectives of well we know this is going out to everybody and everyone's not yelling at them. So we really need to try to it's not going to hit everything but make it that 5,000 square feet or and and I'm saying maybe it's 4500 feet I don't know but we need to get that pinned down and see how and make this work and then we can go all right you know we can add things or we can whatever make it make it broad here but make it detailed here. Yeah, I get all of that. I agree with it.

And Paul, it is a constant problem. What What are you going to do with the rapid fire guy that comes in here like at the Rison and says, "I want to have a meeting on this. I want to talk to everybody about it and I want to do it next week." All right. And so now we got selective key people in there bias the program and you don't get all the information you need.

That's when all the advisory board rolled people and all them know what the procedure is now set in stone and people wake no I understand all of that. We have to need to train our elected leadership in this place to understand that there is an organization that they should be leaning on for information. Agree Paul and I think I think listen Rhonda has worked really and I know you're not pinpointing her really work at this but I've discussed this with a lot you know I talked to all of them and there is an overwhelming majority that are sitting of our elected officials that are in favor of getting this and are very happy to see that this is going through and I think will help all the way around. So, I think the the direction that we couldn't get going before, the momentum is fully in favor of doing this. All right, cool. We'll do it. Give us some guidelines and they're on board. So, the way things worked before, we know what happened.

Yeah. So, one of the things that I brought up the last time we talked Well, I respect what you're saying and I agree with you. Yeah. The trouble is is we have history repeating itself. all of our good intentions. Can I just make the I've been saying this one statement over and over for the past four months.

I know we have all this here and and I know all these things happen to get us here, but we need to look forward. And the only reason I want to look at that is for examples to help make it better going forward or we can we're going to sit in muck for months and months and months and we're going to get stuck in it. But we could use that as an example to say legislation just bounced all over the place for I don't know eight months and not only was it time, everybody's time, we paid an attorney to sit in on all of that. Taxpayers paid an attorney and we didn't have all the information together to really be at that point. So I don't want to talk about all that muck, but I want to take that and say this really needs to be on our list.

Yeah. Move forward and fix it. Yeah. So what so one of the things that I brought up in the meeting that bothers me is that the planning board does review. We do a review. Everybody comes up with a review. And I'm saying what we ought be doing is that every time we do a review, we have we have butts. We have bullets. And on the bullets, we're saying we're going to we will accept this project based on these bullets. Boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. The issue is when the town board does it, I believe that they should address the bullets to say we saw the planning board's bullets and we feel we have accomplished at least a one through six, but we're not going we basically don't feel it has merit on seven and number nine and number 12. And then but at least explain why they did not go back and actually look at the bullets that were sent from the planning board saying why they approved it. And if they're going to come back and actually make a change to the plan because the developer wants a change and or it be six months later or two years later then they should look go back to the bullets that they were put out by the plan by the board the advisory board with their bullets and say look these are the bullets were made are you addressing them and if you are how I mean they can put the onus on the developer to answer the bullets to say yes we they had 19 of them and here's how we're addressing the 19 bullets. And then I think then they're giving respect to the advisory boards and I don't know how you put that.

I think you have support for that and I'm going to use I don't know the project name but um there was a situation and I I'm not involved in it so it's going to be real sketchy and I just want to clarify when I talked about I feel like I repeat that getting out of the past that was not to just this group. Yeah. Everything I've touched in four months I've had to like say Yep. So yeah. So, please don't take offense to that. I'm 100% with you, Paul. That's why that's why we're doing this.

So, um so the project, whatever this project was, it came in with a change. Um and the town board made a decision to accept something on it, but then it came back later and said, "But where's this, where's that?" Well, it's not on the information during the approval. It wasn't all there. So, I feel like if we um if we put in there that when the planning board gives conditions and town board approves a project based on those conditions that in the resolution in the approval in the minutes of the meeting everywhere it is based on the conditions below and it always stays with that site plan. I think that you are going to have a 100% agreement on that

and I think that's that's an important piece because to me too much gets lost because on on one on even looking at the the PD got approved it was months later and on top of that there was substitutes sitting on the planning board when it brought off the table to vote on at that meeting. So the people that normally were at the table that would actually say, "I have an issue. I have an issue. I have an issue." And therefore table table. Now those people are out. The substitutes are sitting in. They don't know. They don't know because they're not been at the table. And so what happens is all of a sudden somebody pushes for a resolution to say we're approving. And it got approved. So to me, I think it got I think it got hijacked because it shouldn't never come off the table that bad and it shouldn't never been done with substitutes. And the other one was they were lacking the bullet points of what was actually being approved with. So I mean it's important for the for each of our planning boards or each of our advisory boards to understand if you're going to make a recommendation to the town board, simplify it by turn around we approve based on these circumstances and don't make a story out of it. Bullet, bullet, bullet, bullet, bullet. So there's a check off check off check off check off. So we need to be more uh diligent on how we communicate up to the board on our our what we expect and why we approved it based on our long conversation about that project.

But I've seen that that was lost in the planning board. I've seen the planning board do just what you're saying though, Jim. And I've seen them on on some of the things go, "Yeah, we'll approve it. This this this this." Then it gets to the town board and they approve it and they forget the this this this. The reality is we don't have any pull in that. No, I know you don't. They're like you're I mean and and not disrespect to them, but

it's been discussed that that needed to be there because the project I'm talking about wasn't a two-month thing. What was before the board was something that was approved pre their term. So they're making decisions on what they're looking at, but they weren't on the board at the time. They didn't have all of that. Well, it's the frustration of all the advisory boards is that when we make suggestions and then the town board just does whatever they No offense. You know what I'm saying? You've been here. I'm not taking that. They just they they say, "Oh, yeah. Okay. Well, we think it should be this way." Even though we've put all the work into it.

It's really what we're trying to fix. It's even Judy was sitting on the zoning board and short that's why when we started going over the site plan review I didn't want to talk about at the meeting I said you know what I think it'd be good to pull this out now I will bring it to the planning board we can start looking at the site plan review because I think it'll be a good review for the planning board and a good and we can flag the problems we thought and it's a good review for the people sitting on the board as to what a site plan review is. So I think that's what the hopeful part of all of this is things are moving and there seems to be a consensus of everything going the same direction. So, let's just get let's get these points down. Yeah. How do we get the town board to do what we want them to do? Can you just summarize this? What are you looking for? Because I wasn't the last.

I am I am looking for the triggers. What we're going to call the triggers when something hits building and they want they want to push it through. Um, I want it to be so simple that Ron looks at his list and goes, "Right,

this is this is 10 or more acres of development and it's and it's not a single family. It's one of these things and he goes, hold on. We're going to we're going to do anformational meeting for you and that's going to save Mr. developer time because he's going to get every it's not going to bounce around everywhere month after month because the process before this was it went to the town board and then they would send it somewhere and it had to come back to town board and they go oh this board needs to look at it let's go there now we're we're on month four so we wanted yeah so we've got commercial development legislation change no look at that zoning that was my summary

a whole bunch we got about six or seven things that will trigger trigger it. I mean, we got to start somewhere. And so, if we do that and then we refocus this on January and see how this goes and then we decide, oh, this stuff was getting through the thing, but we we have to get somewhere. Let's get this something on the paper. I like it was part of our commercial any major subdivision that's greater than 10 acres or a certain amount of uh um any major document. Yeah. So normally you know the single family that would make sense. I mean it summarized what you did. No it summarized what we talked to the last. One of the problems we do have is that

bullet do these copy is some things is that once we decide once project is passed and they have site plan approval it's whether or not everything gets on that site plan gets done. And that's one of the things that that has nothing to do with us. We're we've said we've done everything we can do and and some of the checks and ahead of that then we can tackle more of that. I think we should we haven't had policy and procedures. So I think that's what we're doing. Let's get it down and then we can retackle and see what's getting what's going through not making it through that we feel are

what's slipping through the cracks. In other words, like we we just had one that said, "Oh, well, they never put this in, but it was part of the site plan." Yeah. And they didn't put it in. It just basically never put it in. It's not that the residents didn't want it. It just never got in. So, why is that's another It's the same thing getting trees in a development, right? Needs to be added to the checklist. Yeah. Well, it doesn't need to be added to the checklist because it's in the lot. We totally agree with them, but if nobody follows the law, that checklist developer would say, "Oh, I got it. I should be doing this."

Yes. And until somebody comes and tells them, "You've got to do it." You're not going to see CFO until you do it. So, after last meeting, and of course, we had it's in the minutes. I love this part right here. But after the minutes, I took my notes and said, "Okay, I only want to extract one big piece because I think it's so important." And that was the procedure for inner board review. And that's what this document is. And basically, if you're what you just asked for, it's all written out right here. No concern.

Okay. It talks about the triggers, but it talks about the advisory boards actually getting what are your triggers? And D and I. So, we said we had a 30-day review, but I think we're going to have another 30-day review. Can we figure out the triggers? Right. Um, and that's why we put back on the agenda today. Um, I would, and of course, we're already talking about notes. So, we're now doing we're going to do Zoom uh Teams. We're going to do Teams Teams.

So, Teams is the conclusion to that piece right there. Uh, but I think this is important for us to really spend some time on and and come up because if Rhonda has the momentum to actually build procedures with the town boards and they're looking at with some with some open mind to it, I think it's we should take advantage of that and and do it because if if that be but the issue is you're building a plate. You're building us a procedure that would not only just be good for this advisory board and this town board, but also for the future town boards and for the the advisory boards and for Right. Yes. I mean, it's

Yeah. I mean, to me with that's what performance stands were trying to do as far as if you go to commissioner properties, these are all push buttons. Now, making the performance standards part of the zoning. So, it won't be a standalone document anymore. It's going to be part of the zoning itself. So it's no longer it's a wish list of what you do. It's going to be part of the code on how are you going to do your performance standards law be law. Okay. So we're putting more of the of the real stuff into the into the code where the town board planning board everybody else is going to be followed which I think is where we're which will all come to all the boards.

Yes. And everyone will get to every board will get to look at it from their board view and look at the changes that were made with red lines, right? And if not, I will deliver them to every chair personally myself because I'm not going through this. It's all a positive. It is. It's very positive, but it's the point. It's procedures and accountability. So, we need to come up with that. I think maybe the be Rhonda would you mind if we did this for one more month and every board now we have better understanding the triggers so Paul and and and Judy all of us can go to boards and say listen this is what it's up doesn't mean that's what it's going to be but we can maybe be find a way to mesh those together and make a list

I know I know it can be fine-tuned over time I'm not trying to rush it out I'm just trying to I want everybody's input to make it as good as possible so for another bring it back for I'm just thinking the further the conversation that went today and I'm thinking I'm going to um go sit with Ron in building Rhonda in in zoning and Bob in engineering and say do you have any they're willing to do that

because they were very so they've been very excited to be asked in on things. Ron sat in on this a little bit. Um they're ecstatic to be included in the resoning which makes sense. That saves us a whole another layer later. I think will help them the clarification too because then you don't have 80 people coming in and asking why did I see this and they don't know where the hell this stuff's going to go. Sherry on your attempt your uh roster for tonight. Is Kurt there now for your traffic? He is that yes he is. Have you talked to him? Is this Kurt Herman Herman? Herman. Yeah. Um I have not I have not talked to him. All right. I'm making a phone call to you because he was on the email tonight receiving all of this. He was okay. Good. All right. I'm going to give him a call.

Did you take it over traffic? That would be helpful. We don't have so we don't need architectural review because I didn't see agenda or was not on there. No, it did come until you looking for who I don't have is to Darrow's email. I don't think he's um you know that advisory board. It's on there because he sits anybody that's in here is on another board but it's so I have to go through and find if it's not there but it should be there but he sits on um uh ZBA ZBA.

Thank you. So it'll be under there. JC, but if you don't find it, drop me an email and I can send it to you. Thank you. Yeah, because he's on My batteries are up. Do you want this? No, it's okay. Okay. All right. All right. I I don't know. I think we got that down. Anybody else? Oh, you think we beat it up enough? Well, it's important. And I No, I think it's absolutely important. I think that uh when people are asking you for like a flowchart and and give me a Yes. Yes. You're simplified.

Tape it to your wall. But just one last comment and and then I'm done with it. Town board wants this and wants to understand this because we get calls. We get calls and people want to know how's this work. I don't understand what's the process. I want to put a do. So those that's it. I don't think anybody's look it's all positive. It's they want to be able to support the document instead of running around to five people and saying, "Hey Bob, hey Pete, hey upstairs, does this need to go where?" We have it lined out. Yeah. It just then then you you sound like you know

you understand it well enough to talk about it because this is a lot for somebody to sit down and and Right. I mean when a couple months back

I was asked to go before uh Rotary and talk about the master plan, the outdoor and recreation master plan and zoning and all that kind of stuff. Well, they were confused. They were confused, but they found it intriguing. It just was all there. But when I stopped to look at it, I'm sitting there going, especially the Alder P. I had to really stop for a minute and say, "Wait, wait, wait, wait. I'm going to go and explain it to them. when my own advisory boards don't know what it means to them. And that's why I did that exercise where I said I went back and asked uh AI to look at the 500page document. How does it pertain to recreation? How does it pertain to economic development? How is it how can they take advantage of that document and what is what is what are the things that they as a board can do? And that's when I generated that.

Yeah. I gave to my board said yeah.

Yeah. And so the issue is it gave it really gave insight to what the LWP meant because up to that point so you got a document it's 500 pages. What does it mean to me? So to me I felt we needed to start here talking about that and the question is sooner or later they're already barking and still say outside. Can you talk about it outside? So when we talk about it outside if we can't defend it meaning the outside hears it and then they go find you and you're going to say I don't know. Wait, long range made it. Aren't you a part of long range? So the issue I felt that we need to be armed as to what the LWP really means to us as a board and what what opportunities are in it that we can take advantage of or is it something my board can actually take it as a project and what are the projects in the OP that is the advisory board to take advantage of it. So that's why I'm looking at a couple things. One, I think the procedures are important, but two, I don't want to see these documents that we're building become shelf documents. I want them to be living documents that are used at a routine here. The master plan that was done in in 1995, became a shelf document. The LWP that was done in in 2006, which never really ratified by the federal government, became it was they said the town board adopted it, but the state adopted it, but the federal government did adopt it. So, therefore, it was not a real document. So, but it became a document. Oh, yeah. We're going to know the RP. No, you don't. Not officially, not on the outside world. No, it's not real. The one we did is, and it was approved by us, was approved by the state, and was approved by the federal government. It is a true LWRP. So I just as a group I just don't want to spend the time and energy you'll collectively have done with all the brain power you all do and I think it's fantastic waste it. And that's why I'm

trying to make sure that they're embedded in a way that they become part of the routine of procedures or reviewing you know the documents or projects that are going on with our town. And that's and that's exactly right. I mean it has to be objective enforcement here. You know, you have everybody has to be required to meet the same standard. And where it falls out, where it ended up in the shelf in the closet, this is too tough. I can't ask people to do this. Yeah. And that's ended or the end of it. Or the ones looking at it don't want to deal with it and basically they make, oh, we don't want to look at that. We don't look we don't deal with that. So it gets shelter only because they don't want to go through the procedure to actually apply it,

right? So, you don't want to give them the excuse and don't want to give them the ability to turn around and say, "It's not a document that we really had to worry about." It's it's something we had to do, but it ain't something we need to do. Yeah. Well, they have to announce. Yeah. That's why I'm trying to make sure this embedded, right? Okay. Um, with that, that finishes my agenda. So, the issue is round table. Do we have any round table today? Okay. We'll start with you. What's What happened with the paddle thraft launch meeting that was supposed to happen after our last meeting? We had it. We had it. Yeah, I wasn't there. Nobody even told me it was there.

Joe came and and made a presentation. Oh, no. I saw that. No, the Matting the meeting after that. Oh, I supposed to be a meeting after that. You weren't here. You were on vacation. Ah, okay. Um, what are you talking about, Paul? They were going to talk about funding. that put a grant together, a grant application, all of that stuff. Well, I don't know if they did that. I That would be I didn't I went to the town board. Did you discuss that, Rhonda? And you're in your town board meeting. So, we had the Yeah. And wait, they waited for Isn't that the one we waited for you for the presentation? Oh, that was long range. It was a It was a workshop.

Yes. At a workshop did the presentation. Everybody's excited about it. I think that um we needed to to some final details and work with Elaine on Yeah. the town board gave permission for granting and to start some engineering basically saying you can go forward now and start compiling the information he gave Elaine because I'd done a couple of those grants successfully. So I gave Elaine all of the stuff that I had from those grants. It it got traction. Okay. And support. Okay. So then uh what about the NRI? What happened with that? Well, that's the first one on my list.

So we want the we want you to make a presentation on the NRI to what with to and show off the goods. Um we talked to u Kristen about it, but Krist was like so anyways she was all about the adoption of the NRI, but I think it was I think the to is it that part? It was on it. It was two Was it two meetings ago and it's a resolution? Um, yes, it was upstairs. Where did you see this? So, it's underway for Oh, no. And if you want to see that, I can send you. It came from Kristen has put it together. No, they pro they approved,

but there's a process with it. Is there a public hearing? It might be next. It's within the process. The process has started. I'm sorry. They're not making it a law. They're actually making the adopting the the report. There's the f there's three ways of doing it, right? The law is the the big one at the end. There's one in the middle and then there's one that just says the town agrees and adopts it. It came from Kristen and what they I think in general came together consensus.

Yeah. We submitt. it came to the resolution and they said that way it's living too. So if it we lose or add a resource, it's a it's a simpler process to update. Exactly. If you make it a law, you got to go through a public hearing process. If you turn around, it's a living document because the more you go out there and find stuff, you add to it, it's easy to amend in NRI. You don't want it to be a law. Yeah. You have to have public hearings every time you want to tweak it a little bit. The second part is that it would come to this board to be put in as an amendment to the master plan. Right. That was the second correct and then so the law it was the master plan and it was just the adoption by town.

It should come to I think it should come to here to be incorporated into the master plan. I think that that's a smart move then it becomes a a real guiding document. I think that's where it was going. I have to look at it and this is embarrassing to say but I have looked at so many variations of it. I I'll tell you this. If it is the last one, meaning just gets adopted, I still think you should bring it here and have it adopted by the period. Okay. At that point, but at that point, what I'd like to do is you could do a presentation of and show the highlights of it. I mean, we had that presentation upstairs with the developer. Yeah, it was all recorded. Yeah. But I would think maybe a short version to bring it and introduce.

I think we were all there. I mean babying this NRA we have to pay them to use. Okay. I don't know. Another question. F you brought it up in the discussions here. What's with this tavern across the river? What did they do to that creek? Because I'm getting complaints from um uh the environmental groups here on the island about it. Well, I mean, if you just drive by on the street, they got bricks right up to the So, what do they do? fill in the creek or planning board's asking the same question. They sure didn't put anything in.

They sure didn't do anything to save water quality. Let me tell you that. All of a sudden there's a parking lot with bricks or boulders next to the creek that So the question I have is why hasn't it been reported to the environmental conservation people? I believe Jim did. Jim the guy on our board. Okay. Of course he did. Of course he did. Well, I mean I've done it. I've done it, too. I had to do it at Cox Road. Here's the deal. If the town knows about it, and they do. Yeah. Why isn't the town saying you need to do some remediation or you need to do what is the town's position on this?

I will make a comment that it was discussed at a workshop. We have a liaison to code enforcement and building and he asked for the opportunity to perform as that liaison and he was taking the site plan over um and doing an inspection with them to mark to see exactly what has been done what hasn't been done what was agreed to be done. Their seeker didn't have anything. The seeker answered the question is it going to impact um wetlands? They said yes. Then the next thing on the seeker says, "If yes, please explain." They didn't explain. They left that part blank checklist and and then we Yeah. Just let it go. Right.

I'm not I you know I Well, that's what happens, Paul. You know, I I know exactly. It didn't come to parks and wreck. Yeah. It just it's just it's one of those things that we we seem to it seems to be a common occurrence from where several of us sit on cab is that we just ignore all those environmental things in this town. Yeah. And that creek is important because that's what went to that's what because the channel is lost on that side of the road is what caused the flooding on this side. And then when you build up on top of it with the steep bank going down to it with I don't think there's any vegetation plant.

They wiped out the flood plane. storage. I know, but I mean after the fact it was done and so I think from the conversations that I know a lot of people look like their town is working on it. It is actively being investigated. Well, being investigated is one thing. Being corrected is another something. I can't tell you the correction, but I know it's high level right now and a lot of people are looking at it. It's got a lot of a lot of complaints. Okay. Let's see where it goes from here. Okay. What else? Which which by the way, where is Cox Road? I haven't seen the application for that thing. The after the fact application for that violation down there. I don't think they're doing anything there as far as I know.

No, they have been ordered by the DEC to No, I meant I meant they might be rehabing anything down there. There's no action. No, you're right. Yeah, I don't think they're going to What I meant is I haven't seen what they're doing to to fix it, but I think it's not going any further than what it was. They're going, "Oops, probably shouldn't have done that." No, they got to fix it, but I haven't They have to file an after the fact permit application with the New York State DEC, which means they have to come up with a plan to restore the site. And I haven't heard from the engineer. I sent him all the information that he had requested. It's been like a month and a half now. I haven't Chris. Chris, what's his name?

Dan. Dan. Yeah. So, I have It's a one-way communication. I I give him everything, but I don't get anything back. So, I don't know what's going on. Of course, I've been by the site, but nothing has really been happening there. So, which maybe the sprays just all grow back. Well, they need to fill in the pit they left there for the parking lot. So, you know, um that that's going to be a a an eyesore and a liability issue for the town if they don't do it. Um the other thing is um just that I'm not a big fan of historical properties, but did you notice that one of them disappeared down in Ferry Village on Cox Road seems to be a bad road. No, no, no. Not Cox Road. 1544 Cox Road.

No. Right on the corner of East River and um uh Ferry. You know that you had the mate's house and the captain's house. The mate's house is gone. Took it down. It's gone. Disappeared. Another one besides Cox Road was gone. Mhm. East River and what? You know how East uh Ferry comes down and then you go like this. Yeah. Right. And you had the captain's house and you had the mate's house. Right. Right. Here's the river out here. They This is gone. You're kidding me. There got to be a demo permit. I mean gone. It's so gone that they've seated and mulched the place.

Is this it right here, Paul? This is There's a Bedell house here. Where was this one right here? Yeah, that little 384 Fairy Road. Yeah. Gone. Kidding. And I saw the construction equipment there. I thought they were doing some remodeling there. Then I come by about a week later. Gone. seated mulched like it never existed. Well, I'm sure June has something to say about that so we could They didn't know about Cox Road. I know. But I'm just saying I'm trying to come up with a solution about it. That That house on Cox Road was built in 1850. Yeah, I know. I know. I I I don't understand why it's gone either. Is this the house, Paul? Let me see.

It's horrible. It's gone. Yeah, there's two houses here. This is the smaller of the two. The bigger ones behind it. Okay. So, that's the one that's gone. The mate the mate's they used to call it the mate's house. Oh. Captain was in the big house. The mate was in the littleer house. I mean, Berry Village has extra guidelines in our code book. Oh, boy. I don't I I don't know what the story is, but you know, I've heard about it too, Paul. I don't know how that happened. It's just gone. No, I I'm not sure whether it was demolished or they moved it. If they moved it, we would have known about that. That would have been a big operation. I think one. Yeah. Yeah. I think it was got Well, I know there's a lot of vehicles showed up there. There was a lot of activity there. I think somebody wanted more property. Uh yeah. Oh, yeah. He's got more property now for sure.

What else you got? Um that's pretty much it. Okay. To answer your question, the NRI was adopted by the town on April 6 at the town board meeting. If you guys want a copy of the resolution, I can print it real quick. No, no, it's fine. House to live. It was Is it adopted by going and also referred to the long range be adopted into it or is it just adopted compensation? They go through the whole thing of um what it is. I I think it the f the first step that they were trying to do because Pete wanted it adopted so they could get grants. Got it. I for grants, right? I agree. So So I think that's all we put in front of them. That's fine. Okay.

I mean that's fine. I mean that's we we would like to go further. Yeah. I would felt I felt that the law was going to really make was a negative side of it that it because you would want you should be improving it all the time and if you did that you would always have to go to a public hearing to actually do it which would be another big lift. Well and a lot of that is pulled from other sources and it's auto updated. So it's constantly being up correct and it says that in the resolution. Right. So, so it's not even like a living document. It is a living document because they did it nice to link to other documents. Got it. So, and I and I'm hoping the the real law should be

Yeah. And I'm also hoping is that the home board contract with the um the planner that has the interactive interactive um layering controls on the GIS system that hosted it. I mean, you can turn off trails, turn on trails. The town can't do it under GIS system that their system did. And I'm hoping that they did contract with the huh, it's linked to linked to her so that those are uh they should be turned on, turned off so people citizens can go out and just say, I only want to see the walking trails and then you only see the walking trails. I mean, I think that was

right when they had that presentation, which everybody was at, I went up and said, "Give me the one document that's got 50 of them on and I'll turn on." Because she said kept saying, "I don't know if we want that." And I said, "We do." She made sure she gave that to us. Yes. And she sent that one to me early and said, "Try it out to make sure it works."

Yes. And I want to make sure that we do that because I think that that has more power on as far as how we do planning all together. So, one of the things we're doing with the recreational master plan is also doing the layering and I want to be able to get it to a place where it can be hosted to turn the layers off and on because we're we're talking about the missing links and we want and we're getting recommendations from the planners on how do we where are the missing links and how do we fix them and that's what we're that's where we're at now. You lose something. I have an extra whole zippered pocket on this. just about flew off her chair she found in pocket. So

20 bucks in there. She's like, "Oh my star stuff now." Got sold is really cool. Yes. Right. That's one of the things that makes that document work. I I think that doc that document should should be celebrated. I I'm so h I'm so happy you guys have done it and I think it's it's worth every dime you guys spent on it and I think it's a um example on how we do things going forward and that's why I'm really pushing it well and I what I liked about the layering was and we'll get off this in a sec is that every board can just pick out the layers they want. Yeah.

Right. So I mean if engineering wants this layer and cab wants that layer and parks rep wants a different layer and I mean they can just turn them on turn them off and get a custom look.

Exactly. But but I see more application for all of this stuff. I mean we can put a zoning map on it turns on turns off. We can turn around and say what is the sewer district turned on turn off. I think that that's the kind of thing I like to see us doing uh on the big picture on zoning and onward master plan overlay and that's the layer that shows up. So, in the old days, we used to have these books that had transparent pages in them that you would just put the layer, you would put the paper on the transparency on it and you would keep going and going. So, you see, you got to see the world, right? I would like to see that. Now, they're doing electronically. So, when I was younger, we had those late days, huh? We're getting so silly now.

I am really getting I am those are the old days, but I mean, I'm just being silly, Jody. Yeah, I remember those two. The one on the right, the guy that owns this house bought that lot. Yeah. And so they they destroyed the house and he owns the property across the street. So here it is. Uh Ronald, this house is gone. It belonged to somebody named Corp. Any updates, Ron? No updates. No updates. This was Judy, you got any updates? We haven't met since well we had a parks and wreck advisor um master plan meeting and um so we got a whole bunch of stuff

homework homework. We were we're going over the final the final plan for the uh the conceptual plan for the um for the park, the Nike base, the um the veterans park, um indoor facilities, golden age center, stuff like that. So these are just these are just con conceptual plans. They're like a plugandplay plan. Yeah, basically. Yeah, it's just like here's what you said you need, here's how we here's an idea how to put it together. Same with this. Um, so

location in the lottery comes up, we can do that. Right. Right. That's right. Um, other than that, oh yeah, that's the storage building. my one of my other favorite subjects, the um they're looking to um parks, recreation um and highway, I believe, are looking to add uh a 60 by 100 foot storage building into Veterans Park. Is it going to be in Veterans Park or is it behind their building here currently?

Right. right now what they're talking about. Now, remember that the building that they have there now is 9200 ft². However, it's got bells and whistles in it. What they're talking about here is an adjunct to what they have. And uh what they're talking about now is basically a pole barn, which supposedly they can get for $95,000. Although I'm looking at, you know, 1,600 foot pavilions that cost us that much. But okay, we have to bid it out. So I guess yeah. Well, that's just that doesn't include the concrete or the doors

and it's just poles in the ground. So, you know, I I don't know. So, but eventually it'll need concrete and it'll need three $5,000 doors, you know, overhead doors. And then eventually it probably if you want to put the backer truck in, it needs to be heated. And then if you want to do something else, something else needs to be done. So, which remember that 9200 foot house building 10 years ago cost us $1.4 million. So, that's what they're looking at doing now for storage. Now, do they need storage? They probably do. Do the citizens need something? Here we go. So, it's just me being on a parks and recreation advisory board looking, you know, beating my head against the wall trying to get stuff for the people and and watching storage buildings being built.

Right. So, the recreation advisory board met to talk about concepts that the planner has done based on all the reviews that we've done from the community and by the committee itself. and we're boiling it down to a report that basically is zeroed on exactly what we like to see going forward with recreation. So the many maps of uh Veterans Park and of the Nike base were presented as to what is potentials and what what did the feel committee felt uh they should go in that in that direction. So I think there's going to be a final report on what the Nike base would look like or what should be considered there and what should be considered at Veterans Park. So it was also a discussion about a community center and the question is where would it be and obviously the veterans park it became the number one location because the town owns it and you're already developing that whole area and therefore where in the park would it be best utilized or best effectively uh placed and we kind of the committee basically indicated exactly where it should be. It should be closer to the road. moves you closer to the utilities so you're not causing more cost to the actual facility. Um and also what what what it look like right now they're presenting not a building of one consolidated building but two buildings. Uh so therefore one for the community services and the other one being community recreational services.

Yeah. Yeah. So bottom line is there going to be a report coming forward that basically summing up what we're doing. The other thing that came up at the meeting was talking about um the trails and paths of Grand Island and mapping out all the trails and paths we have on Grand Island and looking at the thing that you map. Yeah. Well, they're already mapped except for the new ones that we can't get anybody to add to. Right. Okay. But the issue is we have we've mapped all the trails including all the green trails and what we're looking at is the gaps

and trying to connect them because people want to go from trail to trail to trail. So the we're looking at a gap report as to how we're going to address those gaps and how it can be addressed. And so that's being put out by the next report. And I think that to me that looks and they're bringing they're bringing some technology to the table where they can do a GPS go to the map go to the sites and actually turn around and GPS them and then mark them give visuals as and a picture of what the gap is. So uh I think there's going to be a deed. I think I'm excited about this. I talked to the lady uh from the committee. I saw her at a uh a conference the other day uh who's actually doing a map development. I like and she's excited about what she's bringing to the table. So, I'm looking forward to that as well. So, I think the technology advisory board uh recreational advisory board basically uh is going to have some really uh great stuff coming forward and I'm looking forward to we're looking forward to playing because there's two people

be good for future development. So when we add these small little areas in there's a reason why oh maybe this doesn't go from there to there but the overall plan why that piece would connect. So you need to put that in because the goal is on these other sides. Got it. So I think that that's still being cooked. When it does then obviously we're going to bring it out for you all to see. But but that will of course go across private property some of it. Yeah. And that's going to be the issue. How do we accomplish that? I think the LD RV helps us because of the fact that we put all the creeks into the into the LDP. Uh yes, the land next to the creeks are all private property. The question is how do we property the links based on that? Well, yeah. I mean for trails, right?

For trails. So for trails, they're not necessarily always along the creek. Got it. Oh, agreed. But the creek corridors basically use gives us a corridor if we want to get figure out how it, you know, utilize them. But I think by looking at what are the tools we have what are the possibility if someone wants to develop some of these things that are known for something you need to include another add

the person we're going to talk about the invisible man at the table. Uh Eric, are you out there? Oh, yeah. I'm here, buddy. I'm not I'm not feeling real well, but I'm here. Okay. All right. You're the invisible man at the table. Uh yes. You have anything you would like to say? Uh my friend,

I have Well, I have a bunch of stuff in the chat for you guys if you want to look later. I assume no one's watching the chat. Um I don't blame you. I never do. But some items on um board process software, which I did some research on right in the lines we were talking about, workflow automation, etc. things. You might want to even just take a sales call from someone to learn how what they sell and how they sell production software, even if you don't want to buy it, so you understand what best practice looks like in this space. Um, number one. Number two, I don't know if anybody is has anybody reached out. It seems crazy to me that there's there's this much um uh lack of knowledge around how to how to do something like this with all the town. Has anybody talked to similar sized town? So I left in the chat the similar towns around us of size and etc. I mean to even reach out to say how do you guys handle your advisory boards? What do you do with your um board workflows etc. Um it's just a thought as well. Um but I left some stuff in the chat including those those software u software pieces. Um so if you want to link out to them they're fairly interesting as well. Excuse me. As far as roundt stuff goes cleanup is this Saturday. Cleanup Grand Island. Uh, Saturday from 8:00 to noon. Um, we have about 125 people signed up. We usually have about an equal amount show up that don't sign up. So, I'm hoping that's the case. The weather looks awful as usual, which should be fantastic. Um, it's never a sunny day on that date. I don't know what I did wrong with that planning, but that's this Saturday. Um, a few events coming up on the forefront. Uh, Kid Biz is June 20th. It's the third Saturday. That's a couple months off, but June's coming quickly. Um, Gizba has their car show June 24th, uh, as well. So, we we uh we just also donated another $6,000 to the tech department there for to buy five more um 3D printers and all the filament and that. So, we've done some really good things with the money passing through

the school there. And that car show um is June 24th. The golf tournament is July 13th. And again, I'll email these all out if you want. I know it's a bunch of things that kind of hit when summer or springtime hits. Um and the last one maybe um for now is the the chamber conference room, community conference room is up and running. We have about uh seven different organizations who are going to be using it in the next 3 weeks. We have wireless uh 247 access now with a keypad uh and a signup sheet. So, anybody who's in a nonforprofit or community good or or town organization that needs that space, it's fully Wi-Fi, two big screens, 100 chairs, uh or a board setup is pretty flexible. That's available and we're going to we had a lot of debate on the chamber board. Um it's available at no charge to any of those groups at this point. What we're not going to probably allow is like a private, you know, if somebody has a a car club or something to use it for free at this point, but we're going to go members only, but we really want to get the community to have the space um at no charge and be able to have meetings uh or even larger scales meetings um at that facility. So, I'll also include that. So, as you do, everybody here serves 85 ways to Sunday. It's only a few of us doing most of the work. So, you can spread the word on that if people need space. um very easy to get in and out of now. So um I think that's all my voice is going to hold up. So I wish I was with you guys. Um but I'm glad I'm not infecting you. So hopefully I'll see you guys around soon.

Thank you for taking Thank you for taking the time to be online with us. That's awesome. Jim, I just couldn't miss seeing you another month. I appreciate that. Hi. All right. Um, this Saturday, because when everybody's finished cleaning up, there's the Arbor Day at the welcome center with trees. I think there's seven or eight vendors. Um, so there's a bunch of stuff there, some presentations, and some stuff for kids. Are they out trees?

Yeah, I I Sunday we separated. We got a whole bunch from Erie County. So, CAB donated some money to buy trees and I think the welcome center bought bushes. So, I think the combination So, I think there's like 4 or 500. When is this going to be? Saturday 11 to two. 11 to two. We got some oaks. We got some river birches. We got uh nine bark bushes, elderberry. I I didn't do I didn't do those so I don't know exactly what bush is there but I know there was um there there's a I think there's sycamore tulip there's a number of trees so

but they have bushes yes we have bushes and trees bushes and trees and I think they're going to talk about planting I gave him some stuff for kids I can't make it I have a wood carving show that yeah I'll be over there we have the Buffalo Geological Society is going to be there, too. So, they'll have displays with fossils and rock stuff and everything else. Okay.

So, that's there. Um, I think we're still working on uh tree city, tree law. We put in bunch of stuff for battery storage, local law number one, and modifications to the solar law. So, not exactly sure where all that stuff stands, but we did submit a bunch of stuff trying to get changes. So, I think that's basically what we got and and we're looking to move on to the next phase after we've done the, you know, I've completed the NRIs.

Got it. I think I know that you're starting to work towards the uh comprehensive review or the open space master plan. That that's the one that should be the law. Yeah. Yeah. That's that that's the one that makes sense, right? Because the first two space index and the NRI are just tools within it tools build that final. Right. Well, you have to have the index before you can have the inventory anyway. So you have to you have to do one before you can do the other. Right. Right. So the last step is is the one we're on now. Yeah. First two.

Um there there has been conversations about potentially going back and relooking at the open space um index that we did. Um and just like you guys you were talking about you know trying to connect the maps, right? So we had criteria on how we ranked properties. Now that we've got the NRI and we want to connect trails and things too, do we want to go back and review? Of course, that cost money underlying it. Well, we were going to try to do a proposal, I think, something like that

that says here's the open space plan, but what would it cost update the index? But we have to have consensus because our board has changed a lot. So a lot of those people haven't seen how it was built. You know, it shouldn't cost as much because you have your database generated and your criteria. So basically what you're looking at is is is looking is maybe

well my database from you know years ago but but that that's where they that's where I'm hearing the change from. Right. So we did 10 acres and if you're trying to connect trails 10 acres doesn't work. So they want to do five or three and I said well that makes your database massive. So I I suggested that if we know where we want to connect them that we just concentrate on that area in the middle and that's what that's the objective. So it's a selective way of doing it as opposed to just saying go from 10 to five. Now we got a easy way of

that was that was my point too. Anything that's got septic usually on the other side is included on that. And I actually have a I I actually got the data from the zoning board from the zoning from the zoning map, every parcel, 9,000 parcels in a in a spreadsheet. Okay. And um Jason, the new Stiller, the new guy in um uh engineering, he got that. I asked for it so we could separate out what M1 and M2. There's a lot of there's probably 20 or so um dual uh uh zoning parcels on Grand Island. We're down to one or two.

No. So, um so there's uh I have all of it and then I have everything that's not our one. So, so I've kind of been, you know, playing with it a little bit. It's been fun. Good. Okay. some summits and right you got anything else? Nope. Okay. The tables

um briefly community calendar that we've been working on. Our board met with tech. Uh seemed like there was some great modering going in. So we're just going to look to get more information on that. But that was really positive and I was really happy to hear um you might have an easy way. Not easy but help us titan.

Yeah. So it was nice. It was exactly what we're looking for. So that was really nice. So we'll see where that goes. And then um we talked more about a signature event or days or whatnot, how we're going to go about doing that. Um, we pinpointed down some more and we had uh two gentlemen come in and talked to us about the uh what is it called? The boat race.

The boat races coming back to Buffalo Launch Club. And they came in and told us about what they were what what's happening there and that if how we decide to do this event, if we do or not, that we can maybe collaborate together and help um support each other. So, um, that'll be for further discussion at our next meeting. Is that like the Thunder Niagara? Is that what you're talking about? That one. It's It's normally at Riverworks and they moved it to Buffalo Launch Club. What's the initials? You know them? I power. Yeah, I Yeah, I think that's okay. Cuz the antique boat show is dead.

Yeah. So, yeah. So, that's it. Yeah. Yeah. They're done. Yeah. Yeah. They won't do it anymore. No more. They're going to be coming here now and um they have it used to be in River Works. River Works. So, they're coming here, but Launch Club is allowing them or hosting them or whatever. And they have a whole Yeah. Whole thing built around um that weekend. That's what I was doing. West off OPA. Yeah, that's offshore. I have my notes. I didn't the name but really nice and um

got quite a huge weekend going on there between that attended before. So, but it was nice. So, we'll see what EDAB and where we go from there, but it's pinpointing exactly how we want to break it down and what exactly are it's hard to explain and I'm not going to go into it for an hour, but we've made progress. So, I will come back to it more.

You know, it's it's Jen in I I mentioned this last time, but um there's been a lot of talk in in in parks and wreck about a winter carnival or summer event, something. I mean, we have we have paddles up now, so I think it's a a great summer event here. And then we have Kid Biz, which is another great summer event. So, we have a lot of summer stuff. So what they were looking at is trying to revise the old winter carnivals that we used to have down at Beaver years ago, you know, where they would, you know, they play softball in the snow and volleyball in the snow and we and we did that we did that uh footprint festival which was really a great event and it was but there are a lot of work and you know you need a

but anyways yeah so we've talked about all those different events things that have been successful uccessful, why things haven't carried, why so the whole objective of all of this is to make it so that there's a blueprint and something that can carry on it. We don't have to do the largest something that we could start, do it right, do it properly and something that can grow or whatever. The whole idea is to involve a lot of the town is what really our basis is a lot of the things that we already have here in a way that we can basically um support or uh promote those things and how we're going to build that network. So um hopefully next month we'll not hopefully but that's the direction it's going in. So, I'll as soon as I have more of an exact of what we're doing,

I'll let everybody. Okay. Great. Do you want to talk about the zoning one? Sure. Zoning. Um, we've gotten through the special permits. We started to go through the packet.

Not yet. Anyways, we're basically at the f on down to the final of what we're going to give um to the town board. We have some open spots that are still left in there. A lot of that's not going to get done until the stage two of the project if we're able to go to that. Um there is some things that working out like site plan review. I asked to get that um pulled out of there so I could start having the planning board review it. But uh I I mean we talked about so much to go through that. But I think we're it's going well and I think we've uh it's really about correlating the master plan with current zoning and making sure that all these documents and everything we have all fit together and they make sense and they can be usable and accessible in the correct way. looking at mislaints like one things we both talked about and making sure that those those are all checked in.

So, and our Z they've been working with us in zoning. Yep. So, right now the zoning committee basically is reviewing the business code of grant,

not the residential and we've gone through and we're eliminating a lot of special use permits to not it's either accepted or it's not accepted. uh if you want to do something in CPA is where you're going to go. Uh but we're getting rid of a lot of special use permits. Uh especially in areas like Gran Boulevard where a gas station currently is a special use permit, which is pretty stupid. So uh we're basically modernizing the code. We're also incorporating the uh performance standards into the code itself. So it's actually addressed as a law now, not addressed as a supplemental document. Um, and we're trying to make it as simplified as possible, but right now we're we're about ready to finish up the commercial side of it and getting ready to move into the residential.

So, uh, the county is looking at they would look like they're going to be a partner with us to fund it. Yeah. So, it is

it is. So, I mean, you come this far, at least they can turn around and take this thing further. But, um, I think that the committee is doing a fantastic job. the six overview things the things that we're talking about is co uh is code legibility um the processes and administration um we were reviewing all of the districts on the commercial level so we've been doing all of that um design and form st design and form standards the uses of the properties and violations and enforcement which is everything that we are continually talking about so that's the

over it's basically we we've also restructured the look at the code. So, it's it's it's easier to find where things are. There'll be a like a grid that says this is these certain things are allowed in these are spreadsheet where these things are allowed and where they're not. So, you don't have to hunt through the whole code to see where things are. You can look at this spreadsheet that says yeah, cleaning it up make it a little bit easier to follow. So,

yeah, because right now Dakota was written in 1936 and it's been patched patch patch patch patch patch. So right now we're making it a consistent document so that things are to collectively put together so you can find it. There it is. Not look here, here, here, and here. Uh, and that's currently how the code book is written. Refining definitions, making definitions a little clearer, putting some definitions in that that weren't there to begin with. And one of they're just it just it's it's going to be it's cool. It's pretty cool.

Yeah. And I'm looking forward to getting into the residential side, but we're going to give we're going to come up and package the commercial side of it and give it to town board. Uh they'll set a public hearing up if they want to at that point or wait for us to finish the residential and then do the whole thing at once. So we'll discuss on how that's going to come. Now uh both those committee recreation advisory board and master plan board and the zoning or the committee recreation committee and the zoning are both functioning on all cylinders and both planners are two different planners Abella and CPA and they're both getting challenged every time they have a meeting and everybody is fully engag engaged with them driving

and the guy who's doing the bell who's sitting there going I've never had a committee this big and we're walking in a room. Look out. So, he's he's pretty excited about the whole thing. And the the girl that I met the other night, the lady I met the other day, uh who's going to be doing the mapping of the of the trails, she's a she's she's engaged. She's been online watching and she's looking forward to getting engaged on the trail systems. I'm looking forward to that. So, you got anything else? Nope. Okay. I You got anything you want to add?

Um yes, a request. So, we have um the bookcases here for the resource library that everyone requested. I have a couple of things, but I'm looking to everyone here to make sure I get all the documents we need. So, I have the NRI, even though it's draft form, it's still going to be there. The farmer's that long thing it's called, the 2018 comp plan. I have there's a 300year history. It's an old old piece, but I put it in there because I think it's cool. Um there is uh also a market analysis from EDAB that was February 22. It's real thin. It's not okay. Yeah, it's maybe not compared to the rest of them.

Those are the things I have. You don't have you don't have the 1992 recreational master plan which will be replaced by the new one. I think there's a copy. I don't think you need it though. That has open space. I mean I guess you could put them in there but I mean it could be kind of being replaced. Yeah, it could be replaced. That's true. But uh it might be heard. You have How about the LWRP? Did you put that on your Oh, it's I don't have it in there right now. I haven't to go in there.

Oh, the other issue is we need to work with um with um Eric Pubicorn to help us actually now that the book has been approved. We need to have it actually printed so everybody there's copies of it instead of us everybody running to the our copy book and and get a copy for the circuit. So, we need to get that done. Um, and we need to know how many copies we need, which is roughly around 100. But, uh, do we have the link of don't we have the link or all the change with all the the fix changes?

I think did I think when I looked on it, there was another one in the but you go to go to the state site. You got to go to the New York State the state department and look up Grand Island in the state department and there it is. It's done. What the or the LP the official the Oh, okay. I don't have our copy we have is what we adopted. What is the the real document that shows the resolutions from the town, the state, and the feds are all part of the document and that's on the states docu on the state's website. So, we go to Can we just add it to ours? But what about the editorial stuff that she was looking at? I think that that's when I looked it, I thought it was fixed down there, not on ours.

Can we have policies and procedures, too? I mean, a lot of times I remember when Ben first started and she said, "Is there a handbook on this and this and that or this that?" And um I won't tell you what the reply was, but she did eventually find it herself. But um or policies and procedures policies for for budget the one we just did

there's there's there's um there's a website ones there's there's um procurement policy I obviously you go over that every single year and it's it's in the minutes but there's um um you know security things policy procedures for the webs um well we had an IT audit do we ever figure finish all that and and okay so on the way or not completed maybe we can talk about that yeah so it's just there's just a whole bunch of policies and procedures that that are just little things here and there like advisory boards and things just one just one book that had it all in there

though that's nice I've already walked in there twice the uh open space index uh open space is it open space and open space index or is that the same thing no you do put the NRI Right. But you need the open space index, right? The open space index was the doced uh it's it's maps and um a list of the properties. Is there two things though? Open space and then the index. Okay. Yeah. Two different documents. Just so the open space plan is what we our third step. We haven't done that. You haven't done the open space but you did the NRI open.

So if in the middle of the night you think of something you let me know. so I can because I need to go adjust the shelves and get that set up. And and um last thing if I can just say national night out is on Tuesday, August 4th. That's right.

And um I have not I've sent out all the registrations to anyone that participated last year. We had 29 vendors that participated, not counting our law enforcement. I think it's going to be much bigger this year. Um and I will send one out to all the advisory boards. I think it would be really cool if everybody had something um I don't know some type of like egg I talked to Sheila about having chickens and explaining chickens to the kids or how you care for chickens that it's not just buy a chicken and it makes an egg you know kind of thing but they love and historic was here last year with a huge display and I had people call and say oh my gosh I like all ages I couldn't believe But but a simple thing like that pool that St. S I think St. Stevens did it with the turtle in it. Huge. You were here because you're doing a survey.

But um I'll be sending those out to all the chairs and we would love it if um advisory boards participated. We're trying to one of my goals is for our community to come together one, but to know people that want to get involved to understand where if they can get involved, like where their time, their talents can go and they just don't understand. advisory boards. Um, we're doing the same thing. We just formed a Grand Island service coalition. So, it's every service organization on Grand Island, Rotary, Kuanas. Um, so we've formed a coalition. That big announcement will be coming out soon. I've got a I might need your help on the page. Just timewise. I can't get to it. Yeah.

Um, but we'll be doing some event to try to kick that off to the public. And again, they'll know there's places that they can serve and what those do, so they know how to pick. Yeah, for sure. So, thanks for all your time tonight. Got it. So, I have one more I have one more thing. Uh, sorry. No, I'm You're done. Oh, yeah. Okay. All right. So, I've had a conversation with Jim Cida. Uh, you know, it's been one of my pet peeves has been uh complete streets. Complete. Hey, Jim's still working on the signs there, Paul.

And so I see movement. Um, so even Sherry called me the other day and said, "Jim, do you have phone numbers for these people?" "Yeah, I do." Uh, so the bottom line is, uh, matter of fact, it it made it made them round. Everybody kept saying, "Who has the numbers?" And finally, it landed in my lap. And of course, had them. I had them all. And that's why I think Chris Pic told you they said, "Go see me." Yeah. But uh, what Jim knows all this So bottom line is um Michelle said, "Oh, I already I already text him at the same time he text you."

He did. So the bottom line is I think I think police get off the ground. I think Jim I met with Jim Cida and gave him uh all the information, all the ammonition about what complete streets is and what and how uh it could be effective on Grand Island. Uh he wants to put get his committee together. Him and I met. Now he's going to get his committee to meet and then on top of that I got two guest speakers for them. uh they're going to come in and talk about complete streets. One is coming from the uh uh go bike which is one of the founding groups of of complete streets. Uh and big founders of it because it's very important to bikers or bicycle to go bike people. Uh and the second one was the what is it the national NGB uh transportation New York State

NRG or whatever it is. You can't ever get that. NRTC's. Is that what you're talking about? Greater Greater Buffalo Niagara Regional Transportation Commission.

Got it. Yeah, they're coming also. So, I got two big guns coming in to help them uh focus and do that. So, I'm really excited about the complete getting off the ground. Um Greenway is getting supercharged and is looking for projects and it's it just got done. it will have adopted its uh strategic plan which is over for the next five years and Gran Allen is in it. Um so prepare for some projects Grand Island going on and also they're looking for projects that they can start to uh sink their teeth into. So I think I think overall we're doing traffic's doing ebike law too that should be coming our way. Tell them what your status in the Greenland commission is.

There's uh the governor has appointed me as the interim chairman of Greenland. Yeah. Oh, congratulations. The chairman of agreement. It's a whole conversation. So, the governor's appointment has come down. Right now, the investigation part of government is now scrubbing my background. So, uh they're gonna be so tired. It's amazing. Rebel Jim Sharp find out any bodies buried in my

So, that's the uh hard that's the part right now. But meanwhile myself and the and the current chair basically are co-chairing the organization. So um and the the strategic planning was one of my pet peeves of them not having one. They should have one. They have one. Uh and the whole group is excited. So bottom line is prepare for some exciting things coming down the pipe. Um I'm trying to boost up paddles up uh to be more funded uh to be more Right now Gran Allen is it. If Granell wasn't doing what it's doing for Paddles Up, Paddle Up would not be Paddles Up. That's right.

Because we're the staff, we're the group, we're promoting, and we handle the heavy load. And Michelle Lockett is is driving the thing, and she was at the last meeting to talk about it. Uh she's doing a fantastic job. I I give her a lot of credit. Uh she's um she's chasing chasing all the cats and trying to put them all with energy. Yes. So, I I give her a lot of credit. She's she's been the she's I don't think Padawas would be there without her right now. Uh because somebody had to take the ownership of it and actually be driving it. Well, we also had to beat beat the hell out of the former chairman there because he thought he was going to just dump it on Grand Island, right? Yeah. Yeah. And then he

Too bad when history comes to to the table and straightens things out. So that's all good. I think we're doing I think Grand Island's front and center. Uh with that, is there anything else for the good for the community? If not, I entertain a motion to adjurnn. So move. Second. All in favor? That never fails. Again, thank you very much for being here. I I really enjoy these meetings. But thank you guys for your work.