Planning and Zoning - Regular Meeting

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Almost. We're good.

OK. I'm told it's 6 o'clock. So I would like to call to order the public hearing.

We're here to discuss. We did have seven items listed on the original agenda. We now have six items to discuss. We're going to discuss the conditional use for a vacation rental on the property located at 809 West Glendale, owned by Reliant Real Estate Investment Company. Then we're going to look at requests for conditional use for a vacation rental on the property located at 400 and 402 South McArthur and 403 South Henderson owned by Michael Alicia Elwood. We're going to look at a conditional use for a vacation rental at 700 South Atkins owned by Ozark Souls Rentals LLC and request for conditional use for esthetician service on a property located at 603 South Cardy Street owned by Olivia Wisdom. We're going to request for an approval of a subdivision plot correction for West North subdivision located in the 1,200 block on the north side of West Roosevelt owned by Brady and Micah Adams, and request for approval or recommendation of a planned community unit development with 40 units on the property located at 301 East 10th Street owned by the city of Salem. We would like to, let's take the first issue. The first issue will be the request for the conditional use for a vacation rental property located 809 West Glendale owned by Reliant Real Estate and Investment. Would anyone like to speak? If anyone would like to speak, we give you three minutes to talk about it. Does anybody have anything to say?

Yeah.

We're on item one now. Does anybody have anything to say about the 809 West Glendale request, conditional use? OK. Now we'll move on to a request for a conditional use for a vacation rental on a property located 400402 South MacArthur and 403 South Henderson owned by Michael and Alicia Elwood. Does anyone have anything to say about that? Okay, the next item Does anybody have anything to discuss on the request for conditional use for a vacation rental on a property located at 700 South Atkins owned by Ozark Souls Rental LLC? Okay, now we're going to talk about, does anybody have anything to say about a request for a conditional use used for an esthetician services on a property of 603 south cardi street owned by olivia wisdom somebody's got to say something pretty soon the next item is a request for approval pardon me The next thing is a request for approval of a subdivision plaque correction for Westwood North subdivision located in the thousand 1200 block on the north side of West Roosevelt owned by Brady and Micah. Apparently that was one that we've approved that we just need to make a little difference in the setback.

And there was a line correction on one correction.

Okay. Does anybody have anything to say about that? Okay, the seventh is a request for approval recommendation of a planned community unit development with 40 units on the property located at 301 East 10th Street owned by the city of Salem. If anyone has anything to say, you have three minutes. Step on right up here, sir.

Do you want to go first? Will?

Get up here and state your name for the record.

Do I have to get on this or can I just sit here?

No.

We need you to speak into the mic.

Yeah, that way it gets on the live feed.

For the record, my name's Phillip Ziske, and my home borders the south side of the proposed community on 10th Street. I mean, I know I beat the dead horse, and I know it's a done deal, but I want to be on the record, and I want to make one last appeal for common sense, really. Because once they tear that hilltop down, and once they build that thing, it's there. And our neighborhood and our town is stuck with it, and they're stuck with the problems it's going to create. And I just can't imagine anybody that has the ability to think for themselves can't figure that out. But it's your decision. And for better or worse, your names are the one that's going to be on it, not mine. So thank you for your time and good luck.

Thank you.

My name is Melanie Ziske. I live at 301 East 9th Street, so the same location. Currently, there is city water runoff that comes onto our property on the west side, so that has not been addressed. And also, I have not seen and want to know when the public will see the environmental impact statement from this development of the 40 units. But I guess you're not. No, but no one's commenting tonight or. I mean, when when will there be an environmental impact statement available? Is this my question? Thank you.

Is that something that the House, that the housing authority has to do?

That's not that I'm aware of. I guess I was turn that on. Not that I'm aware of, but I'm not sure if that's in their scope of the project. I don't know that one's required by any code or law or anything. I honestly don't know.

It should be done. Anyway, whether it's a code or not, I'm Steve Everard. Is this question and answer tonight, or is this just? It's just a hearing.

We're listening.

Okay. I'm wondering, first of all, who actually owns that property now?

I'm told the city of Salem owns that property at this time.

There's a business on that plat that you put out with the announcement here. There's a... construction company that's shown as owner on that. And then on that second page that you had up there, it said, it referred to Salem as the owner.

Where are you referring to on that? I'm sorry, I can't even read this.

Are you on the plaid itself there? Yes. What was that? It's up at the top there, I believe. I don't have that in front of me. Top right-hand corner? It's in that narrative there.

I'm sorry, I can't even read this. I can't read this.

Does anybody else have that information? Does anybody know the answer to that?

Okay, they're mentioned as the owner on there now. Is that the case? Do you know?

City of Salem.

Yeah, currently it's the City of Salem's property, according to the GIS tracts.

How will they acquire that property? Are they buying it, or are they being given to them, or how are they getting that?

Jared might speak to that better.

Do you want me to? So, Mr. Chairman, the city previously passed a resolution that the city would donate the property to RCH Development on behalf of the Salem Housing Authority if they were successful in acquiring funding for the development.

Explain to me what's the relationship with the Housing Authority is not RCH Construction?

Correct. RCH is the developer that the Housing Authority is partnering with.

And who's going to own it when it's done?

It will be, if I'm correct, RCH Development and the Housing Authority.

Is that, it would be co-owned?

I believe, or maybe just the Housing Authority. I'd have to clarify that.

You know, that's something that is...

So if I may, Missy, can you help us with this question, please? So the question is, who, so we've answered the question about who the current owner is, which is the city of Salem. And so the question is, what's the relationship between the housing authority and RCH development and who will ultimately own the development? Thank you.

OK. Thank you. Who will run this project, then? Is that going to be the housing authority? Yes. Housing authority will run it, but he'll remain the owner. OK. I can't change it.

Yeah, that gives me more.

What's going to be decided here tonight? Is this a progressive thing, so we're going to talk about the next step, or?

This board, it would be this board's job to either recommend it or not recommend it to this alderman to vote on. The city aldermen have the vote on it. Our board only makes the recommendation.

Now, what will that be for, though? You're going to recommend that this entire project go through with the information that you've got right now? Or is it that there's another step in between here? Or, you know, is it a progressive thing?

We would have to, this board, for this to happen, the zoning would have to be redone. It was currently what they call R1 redone. and have to go to what we call R3 zoning. So it would be the board's job to either approve or disapprove, recommend approval or disapproval to the city, to the Board of Aldermen.

Okay. So rezoning, that's the next step then?

That's correct.

And then what happens after that is rezoned? Will this come back before you guys or the Board of Aldermen? There's a lot of things missing here that need to be... Well, for instance, a set of real plans and the infrastructure plan, the grading and the... How's that lot going to be graded? How's it going to drain? I saw two... little retention ponds that are going to be on it. Those things need to be accurate. You need to know how much water they're going to be able to hold and how you're going to get rid of it. A lot of things here. That's what we're afraid of, as a matter of fact.

Do you live over there, sir? Do you live over there?

Yeah, we're over on Main Street. We're close by there, though our property backs up to that. Right behind Phillips and Melanie's. Yeah.

I think, just to clarify, the purpose of tonight's meeting hearing and the item on the agenda would be to decide whether or not to recommend the development as kind of as submitted including that change of zoning so those it would be a kind of a package deal when it comes to a community or neighborhood development in that R3 zoning to go to the alderman for those both of those things the the the zoning and the acceptance of it as a PUD or what we call a neighborhood or community development.

So, okay. Let me understand if I can here. Are you saying that once the zoning is approved or changed, then this project moves forward?

It would go then to the Board of Aldermen for a final approval on it. This board makes a recommendation to the Board of Aldermen.

What information will the board have available to them when we get to that point? Will there be infrastructure in place? Will there be grading, a grading plan? And what does the building look like? But how about building plans and things like that?

Yeah, those come later on, but those aren't anything that would need to go in front of either one of those buildings. Building plans and things like that, those are handled administratively.

So in other words, it's an open checkbook after the zoning is done. It's going to be decided who's going to make those decisions.

I'm not sure how to answer that question, sir.

Really?

I don't understand what the question is.

Who's going to make the decisions as to the construction? The engineer will put all the stuff together, but who's going to sit here and say, yeah, we will approve that?

As far as the individual buildings? Yes.

well the individual buildings the grading these folks are concerned about that grading and they should be i'm concerned about that grading because that's not going to be an easy process there are things in there that need to be defined but especially how's the the sewage going to get off of that property where's it going to go how does it hook into our infrastructure

All of those are further down the process pieces of the project. That's not to be decided here tonight.

Right. OK. Well, I understand that. But I'm just trying to figure out what is going to be decided tonight.

What would be decided here tonight is if this board either recommends the rezoning and the start of the development to recommend to the Board of Aldermen for them to either approve it or disapprove it.

Okay, are we going to be able to meet and talk about any of this stuff again before that becomes a project?

So all of that is not stuff that's generally public discussion. If a person goes to build a single house, that's not a public discussion that happens. And so that will be staff and city engineers who work on that.

So the impact to the

neighborhood is something that's going to we're going to have no input in no tonight is the input about 40 housing units going in on that lot tonight's the input to this commission sir we're we're we give your times up we appreciate you i'm sorry

all righty thank you and i want to say that i'm against this too because i don't believe our sewer system is able to adequately take what's going to go into it so i'm going to be real interested in seeing the infrastructure plan and how thank you sir thank you thank you

Good evening. I'm Tim Robbs with Taylor Engineering. We're the engineering surveyors on the project. So I just wanted to introduce myself and let you know I'm here to try to answer any questions or concerns or anything you guys have during your discussions.

OK. Anybody got any questions for Helm?

I think that may be during the meeting.

Yeah, during the official meeting part. Yes.

My concerns don't concern the acquisition, but they concern the construction, and I know that's a little bit off topic it sounds like tonight. But we have 450 units that are fed by 15 meters. So I go back to when I was on a utility committee, and I think about the service availability fees. And if we're going to do a construction, and we're going to place 40 units on that facility, Those 40 units would collect every month, if we're now at a $12 or $10 amount, a substantial amount of revenue that would be substantially used for our water and sewer, which rates constantly are going up. So I would be concerned, since we have all of these other units in our facility, I mean, in our community, whether this project, when it's engineered, we will have an input in terms of whether there's going to be one meter feeding 40 units or two meters feeding 40 units. We have a trailer court, which is 21 units fed by one meter. We have a unit over by the Walmart store where there are some 43 or 44 units that are fed by two meters. And I think there's enough poor people in our community that that would be a concern that they would be interested in. So the revenue that comes from this I think would be important when it comes to how we service the water and sewer. Thank you.

Okay. Does anybody else have anything to say? Okay. Then we will close the hearing and we will go to the public. We'd like to go to the public meeting and call that to order. We need a roll call, please. Rick Stegall. Keith Hammond, President.

Wayne Burks, President.

President. Okay. So we'll go to the first item on the agenda, number one. The acceptance or rejection of the request for conditional use for a vacation rental on the property located at 809 West Glendale, owned by Reliant Real Estate Investment Company. Does anybody have anything?

Mr. Chairman, so I have brought up on the map where this property is so that you guys can visually see. I can zoom in or out, whatever works best for you all. But I felt like this was probably a better representation than simply putting the application on the screen. So if you need me to adjust that image, please let me know. But that way you can see the other residential that's around that location.

I'm sorry, which one? Where is it at?

It's the one in blue.

59. Oh, I'm sorry. Yeah, no worries.

No worries. Yeah, the one in blue number 59. And so you'll see just above that is Glendale Drive. And like I said, I can zoom in or out depending on what you would like to see.

So all short-term vacation rentals require a license. Those that are located in residentially zoned areas also require conditional use. That's why we're here tonight with a few of those. There were several applications that came in all about the same time.

Do we have anything to say about this tonight? No, I guess not. As long as they make the city requirements, what other questions have we had?

I didn't have any. Yeah.

Guys, please speak into your microphones if you can.

I'm sorry. Yeah, just make sure. Just make sure you're speaking. Yeah, I heard what you were saying. Okay. This is a closed group over here. No, it's not. I was like, hey.

No, I agree. Would we like to, does anybody have a motion on that?

I would move to approve the conditional use application or recommend move to recommend to the board of Alderman all in favor.

I was there a second.

He made a second.

OK. Rick? You did.

OK. Dr. Birch made a second. Who did? Dr. Birch.

OK. I guess.

Yeah. Yeah.

OK.

Yes, he made a second.

So we have Kyle with the first, Dr. Birch with the second. Correct. OK. And you voted aye. Aye. All of you. OK. Thank you.

Okay, we have a number two. We got a request for conditional use for a vacation rental on the property located. Now, this should be done in three separate moves. We have three buildings here. We have one building that faces South Henderson Street, and we have two buildings that face MacArthur Street. So, is it, can we, does anybody have any issues with these houses being issued a conditional use permit, these duplexes?

I'm just waiting for the map to come up. I believe this is part of the duplexes that are there across the dent house there. Right. Okay. Yeah, if you just go to the dent house and like...

I don't see any of those.

Yeah, I'm going to guess it is. Okay, just a second.

Yeah, it wasn't sold too long ago. That complex, I believe.

Sometimes on this map it's built a couple different ways. And they take it down, I guess.

So help me.

If you zoom out, you could just scroll over to MacArthur Street, I think.

Maybe. Where?

There's Scenic River.

So there's...

Straight across and to the right a little bit.

Where to? That one?

Across the street? Yeah, right there. Now go a couple houses, go a little bit up top.

That one. Okay. Okay.

it's not the one oh yeah it is yeah yeah so this is uh there there are four buildings on this uh parcel um and she's looking they are looking sorry for um three of those um to be used at least in part as vacation rentals do we keep a current tally of all the vacation rentals that we have and conditional use like do we have like a The city clerk's office has that information.

Okay.

Yeah, I mean, we could pull a list of licensed.

Yeah. There's three more. I know we already have a number of them, but we're far off from it being a problem, I think. I would move to approve the conditional use permit for... I guess I've got to make one for each one, huh? One for each one. Okay.

Okay, I second the first one. I didn't make the motion yet.

Hold on.

Yeah, I would move to recommend the conditional use permit be approved for, what is it, 500? 400. 403 A and B, South Henderson would be.

Yeah, 403 A and B. South Henderson. Yeah.

Yeah. What was that? South Henderson. South Henderson. 403 A and B, South Henderson.

Do we have a second? I second.

Okay. Do we have a vote? All in favor of Kyle's motion to approve 403 South Henderson, a conditional use permit for a vacation rental? All in favor?

Aye.

Okay. Passed.

The second one I've got on that list would be 400B South MacArthur.

Let me write that down. 400B South MacArthur?

Yes.

OK. I don't see it on here. So there's only one of the units in that building? Correct.

No, go ahead. I would move to approve or I would move to recommend the approval of the conditional use permit for 400B South MacArthur.

I second that.

Okay. All in favor of the motion to approve 400B, the conditional use permit for 400B South MacArthur? Aye. Aye. Passed.

And that last one would be 402 A and B, South MacArthur.

I will go ahead and move to recommend approval of the Conditional Use Permit for 402 A and B, South MacArthur.

I second. Second.

OK. All in favor of approving 402 A and B, the conditional use for vacation rental 402 A and B South MacArthur? Aye. Aye. OK, that passed. Okay. The next one, we have a request for conditional use for a vacation rental on the property located at 700 South Atkins owned by Ozark Souls Rental LLC.

Okay. I'll move that we accept the one for 700 South Atkins conditional use vacation rental property. I would second. For Ozark Souls Rentals. LLC.

Sorry. Hey, can we have a vote on the move motion to approve 700 South active conditional use permit for vacation? Got a second.

Yeah. Okay. You did.

I don't miss. Really? Rick, take it. Rick.

Well, that's the other store.

Yes. 700 and 702 are at that address.

That's 700. We don't have 702.

Right. No, but in here, in the mapping, it's listed as both addresses. By the county.

I believe, yeah.

We voted on that. Yeah, it was approved. Yeah, it was approved.

OK. Now we've got a request for conditional use for an esthetician service on the property located at 603 South Cardi Street, owned by Olivia Wisdom.

So this one is not a vacation rental. Ms. Wisdom has that house at 603 South Cardee. She, oh, it wasn't in front of this board. She got a variance for her front porch, made a nice little place out of it. Now, there's a detached garage there. She has an esthetician business. Currently, she's renting space, I believe, in Rolla. Don't quote me on that. Is that right? Yes. And so she is looking to move her business closer to home into that detached garage that's right there on Cardi Street. There's a building or I guess a floor plan there attached with that. Yeah. Yeah, so it's across from U.S. Foods. They're at the corner of Gibbs and Cardi. The garage is I don't remember the square footage. It's not a it's not a big garage But that's the ask is to rehab rehab the garage change of use to Esthetician business will be one customer at a time The appointment only situation Is that residential? Yes, yeah, I believe the so across the street is industrial, but. But that side of the street is residential. Which is why this requires a conditional use.

Let's see when we. i had to jog my memory here when we did the detail shop over here on park street that was a conditional use permit for as long as he had the building open and i guess he's recently sold that building correct or it is for sale and so the conditional use permit doesn't carry on forward from that. So whoever buys that building has to come and let us go through all of that again and see if that's going to fit into a residential area, which that is correct.

If they want to do the same thing. Yes.

And then we had a motorcycle shop come up, and I believe it was turned down a recommendation by us. I don't know if the city approved it or not, because they suggested that there be motorcycle noise and disruption in the neighborhood in East Salem. But how have we done on this a separate building detached from the house? Is there any, I know in my area by the swimming pool, wanted to put up a separate garage and they said no you can't have a separate building it has to be attached to the house when i bought the property back then and but that's 20 some years ago that is the neighborhood yeah so anyway what what i'm getting to is there anything in the uh bylaws and et cetera saying that this shouldn't be at this this essentially How do you pronounce that? Aesthetic shop shouldn't be put into that area.

So there's, in residential R1 district, there are a list of uses that could be considered for conditional use. One of those is an in-home business, and there's a few listings on what those things might be as far as what you might do in your own home, inside your own home as a business, maybe babysitting or whatever. Then there are also some items listed as far as professional services that could be done in a residential neighborhood, I guess inside your home. It doesn't really say necessarily inside your home, but this would be probably considered professional services. I think it is by Missouri licensing laws.

Is parking a problem?

uh not if not if it's one customer at a time appointment only no like a plenty of parking i think there's enough room for three cars in that one driveway plus the street parking you can kind of see there's a vehicle parked there now it's really blurry my apologies yeah it looked like she looked like on our floor plan she was going to take out the uh

the current garage door and put some windows in and make it a small which is the floor plan looks all right the floor plan looks good i'm happy she provided that um i mean considering there's businesses you know right across the street you know i don't think it's going to be too much but it's a fairly wide street there and then you have the lot behind them which is also being used kind of as a thing. So I don't see really any issue with it. I would move to recommend approval of the conditional use for...

I'm not done discussing yet. Have the neighbors been contacted or are they on board with their moving in with that? I didn't hear you. I'm not against, but have the neighbors, do the neighbors know what's going to happen next door to them? Well, it's... Have they talked to the neighbors?

That was part of that public notice piece that was printed in the paper now for a couple weeks, and everyone should be pretty well informed. Nobody's here to say anything about it, so I couldn't speak for anybody that's not here.

I don't think US Foods is going to mind. Wrong paper.

Warren would second it. OK. So we have a motion. Rick seconded Kyle's motion to repeal the conditional use permit for Olivia for 603 South Kearney. So let's have a vote on it. All in favor? Aye. Passed. Now we've got to go to the, we've already approved this subdivision plan. They're just for, excuse me. This is, the next item is request for approval of the subdivision plan for the Westwood North subdivision located in the 11 to 1200 block on the north side of West Roosevelt owned by Brady and Micah Adams. We've already approved this, but there had to be a change made in the setback on that. Would you call that setback? Is that correct?

Actually, it's a This one is a correction of a lot line. So it's lot number four, which should be the one that's highlighted in blue there on the screen.

I'm fairly certain that's the right one. The other image.

So lot number four, which on this shows parcel B. Okay, yeah, lot number four is labeled. That lot line then makes that lot... movement of that lot line makes that lot 11 and a half feet slimmer than it was to begin with it's a minor subdivision um and i i don't know if there was a mistake it was there was a mistake in the flat someplace but it only affected this one uh lot by the time it was all set up

What image do you guys want to see?

It's interesting that it was there. So they're just moving that and encompassing the full .3, that little alleyway thing there? Or is it... So my question is, is that the correction then, what it's going to be, or is that what it's going?

Yes, the open circles are where the line currently is. The closed circles are where the line would move to.

Do you see that? So here's an open circle.

Yeah, that's the correction that there is. And if I'm not mistaken, what happens is... That 11 and a half feet comes off of that lot four and becomes its own separate little piece for a second, and then it will be added to lot five. Or sold to the owner, or conveyed to the owner of lot five.

So lot 17, didn't you adjust it also?

Nope. It was a...

Okay.

I'm not 100% sure how it all came into place, but... But essentially it was 11 and a half feet difference between these two lots here. Everything else stayed the same. I don't know if it was a mis-marking on the ground or what exactly happened. There's currently a house being built on lot five. Actually, it's completed. The house is completed on lot five.

I just think it's strange, but okay. He wants to make sure it's good. I get it. I'm just...

I think a stake... Don't hold me to this. It's a little confusing to me as well. I think whenever the lot got staked out, the stake was in the wrong place, which meant the house was built a little bit in the wrong place, or something to that effect, or The opposite on the other line. Regardless, it ends up being a correction of 11 and a half feet.

I would move to approve. I don't see any problem.

OK, we got Kyle approved to make a motion to approve it. Doctor, I think I had two seconds here. So all in favor? I know I heard Dr. Birch here second. So go ahead and let's have a vote on it. All in favor of? Aye. Aye. Aye. Passed. OK. Now we've got to talk about the planned community. What does anybody here got to say about that?

If I may, to clear up a little bit of the conversation that we had earlier. So this is what we call what's obviously a multifamily. situation our code and our subdivision regulations calls out exceptions for neighborhood and community unit developments and in those situations planning and zoning commission can make the choice or the decision to vary requirements on setbacks lot sizes some of the street requirements things like that and that's what's being asked here as this will be broken into two different parcels. Lot one would be the center and lot two would be the U-shape around the outside with a street in the middle. So when that happens, then those building setbacks to the then lot lines get a little funky because we have a horseshoe-shaped lot. with buildings lining them that don't meet 30-foot front setbacks as they would be required to in an R3 setting. But in a community unit development, there are exceptions for that based on what Planning and Zoning wants to do as far as acceptance of the development as a whole. Along with that, being that it is a multifamily situation, a 40-unit development, that would also require recommendation of r3 zoning as well as parking in the building setback yeah the the the parking is inside the building setback as well and again we can uh where would the park the parking where's it at parking's in front of each building in front of each building so you would go inside the horseshoe

Well, right here. So it's hard to tell on this. This is building number one. And you can see it's segmented into four units. Right here is the parking for it. So you notice the setback here from the street is not the standard setback for a residential district.

This particular building is 25 feet instead of 30. The parking would also be inside there. And so... using that exception in order to avoid a long list of variances for each building and with several buildings on the thing it can be accepted as a neighborhood community unit development as is or however that looks to y'all well i'd like to know what is your requirements for living here there what is your requirements for living

Can you come to the microphone, Missy? Sorry. Thank you. They're low income.

So six of the units will be market rate. The rest of the units will all be based on income. So there's very low, low, and, I mean, it's just like the other projects that we have that Salem Housing operates, pretty much, except for the six market rate, which... Why do you do six?

Why do you choose to do that?

It has to do with... being able to fund the project for 40 units to make sense for us to be able to provide that with less subsidy.

Do we have a storm siren over there?

If I'm not mistaken, there is currently one there was.

I do not remember.

Yeah, I'm thinking on the back, like the south, or the...

I think there at least used to be one there.

Yeah, I remember a pole there with something strange on it that I thought was a siren, and I was curious if that was going to be taken out with this plan.

I don't recall there being a siren on this property specific, though. Not recently.

Not from when the school was there? Excuse me. Ah.

What is the market rate?

Market rate for a two bedroom, it changes annually based on a federal government when they put those out every year. Currently, we're getting for a two bedroom unit, don't quote me exactly because I can't remember, they change every year. It's right around 700 and something for a two bedroom unit for market rate. They change annually based on what the federal government releases for our area, based on a rural area.

Thank you.

Yes. Can I say one more thing about this? When the housing authority was developed under Chapter 99, under the city, we entered a cooperation agreement. And part of that cooperation agreement with the city of Salem, which is HUD approved, pertains to planning and zoning. Just a FYI reminder, because that's been like in the 60s, early 70s.

The original agreement that established the housing authority, if I'm right, was a similar type situation where the city donated a parcel of land to start the housing authority on. And that was, like I said, that's kind of what started the whole housing authority in Salem.

So just, I was looking up because there's a street view of it recently. There is a possibly old, uh, storm siren, like storm siren in there. I don't know if it's in use right now or what, but there is one in the corner of that property.

Okay. Um, I'll make note of that.

Yeah. It looks like it'd be around like the planned detention area on the, on the backside. The only real, like, you know, after hearing, uh, I know in the budget, in the capital improvements budget, we have the bone break sewer line project in for this year. And this is still probably a year or two out before it actually gets built.

Well, it's in there, but... Yeah. So this starts getting into some of that discussion that's not technically part of this meeting.

Right. No, I understand. That's what I'm saying. It's like they're, you know, for concerns that were... you know people were bringing up you know there is there are plans about that because there is going to be there's 40 units you were saying 40. yeah so 40 units we'd have to assume like two people possibly per unit on average maybe and then you're looking at about 80,000 gallons a month through there for water and sewer. Less for sewer, but just a little bit. Go ahead.

So the city has budgeted $190,000 in the current capital improvement plan. Now, as soon as we know financing has closed for this project, our new engineer will start our side of designing what this takes, as well as the replacement of the line that goes across the bone break property, which should eliminate the issues for that entire neighborhood that they've had for sewage in the past. So the $190,000 the city has budgeted, plus that was part of the agreement that we signed with our rhc development rch rch thank you sorry um they are also donating 400 000 to go toward sewer upgrades in that neighborhood so but again none of that goes into play until things were this is approved the financing closes then all of that starts rolling

OK. Thank you.

I have a question. To the north of that, in the valley there, that flooded by the bridge and everything, they've had a lot of sewer problems backing up in their basements and everything. So will this bone break deal that you're talking about, will that take care of that? Yes.

Yes, that is exactly the issue we're talking about.

OK. Now, is that on slate? a slate to be started next year, or how soon will there be some resolution over there?

Again, that is dependent upon this project being approved and the financing closing. And then the city will get our engineers working on that project. OK. OK. Let me get up here.

And what did you call it again? The bone breaks with sewer improvement or what?

Yeah.

All right. That'll work out.

Yeah. We don't have a technical name for it. So are you talking about the low spot on Hickory down here, Dr. Burtz? Is that where you're talking about?

Well, let's see. There's several residences there on that back street. On Hickory. Yes. Yes. It backs up to the big empty field.

Yes. And so again, the issues that that entire neighborhood has had in recent years with sewer backups is related to the sewer line that comes across the Bone Break property roughly, it's not exact obviously, roughly through here. And so this project should eliminate this line and we will route it a different way and probably install a lift station. Again, final engineering has not been done. We don't know exactly what that's going to look like. But that's what that funding, almost $600,000 that I mentioned,

is for okay any questions for the rch man or he's here let me see thank you thank you

got one question that does uh with with the hearing that we heard uh you know i saw the two planned detention areas uh in the southwest and southeast corner of those um where is is they're gonna is that just a capture area is it gonna they're gonna be an outflow uh for that uh and where is that i know that's gonna be partially on the city with what you're just talking about but uh i'm hoping it it helps these it won't go into our sanitary sewer system okay

Those need to be entirely separate. No, I understand that.

Yeah, drainage. Stormwater drainage and sewerage drainage is completely different. Right. I'm asking because, you know, the people that came up here that live across the street were saying that they were having water issues. I think, honestly, this would take care of some of it because it's going to capture some of the water that's on that hill instead of draining into their property. But I was wondering, so those are going to capture, I'm assuming. And then do they have a drainage out?

Or is it just going to be a- Yes, there's a drain pipe. And the detention basin is designed to only let off as much water as- To slow it. Yeah. Let it off slowly. OK. So you don't have it all at one time.

It'll be leveled off quite a bit or-

over there for the property there'll be a lot and since since this has gone out we're going to be we're just going to have one detention basin on this on the far side right now right over here okay so the second one on the on yeah and we're also going to arrange that so snow removal will be pushed over that direction in so it will drain into that detention base as well yeah

so phillips disky will get some relief there then with this whole plan yeah it should come over to that far side and then into the city okay and then right into spring creek is that the plan uh i'm not sure where it goes from there but i would say that's probably where it'll be yeah bone break has the kind of downhill there's a little catch pond down there but yeah i saw that

I don't know if it will all go down into that, but some of it will probably from the neighborhood.

It'll end up there eventually, but the tension ponds should limit then how much of that can go all at once. It'll be a slower drain instead of a gush. I don't think.

I don't see anything. Did you make a motion? I haven't yet. No. I don't see really any issues with the design. There's a little bit of those supposedly like little porches or something in the setback there, the 25 foot setback on the south end.

there any issue there's no issue with that what are you talking about so the very south there's little yeah so you have a 25 foot setback and you have these little i was told today that those may not be there okay yeah understand this is still fluid it's in process but this is the basic layout yeah so the finite details about where exactly the entrance and exits are i mean

yeah it's likely to be 10 buildings it's you know there's going to be a road where the roadways are likely going to be kind of thing okay my assumption on this was since they are not since it does show that the building setback is the back of the buildings and those jet out past that would be uh probably some concrete flat work um without a yeah not part of it not not that's what i was wondering was just the porches okay

I mean, even the things that were brought up at the hearing were addressed. I feel pretty good about it. You know, one of the things is Salem is in need of housing. I've seen more and more. You know, it's like the second biggest issue that when I've asked online that people are concerned about is businesses being in the area. Second is housing being in the area, which is the two things that the city provides. and it should provide some relief for uh those on the on the south end i think and i think we've addressed all the problems so i would uh move to go ahead and recommend the development uh what so the change in zoning to r3 yeah yeah i know we had to do two different did we not and then the acceptance of the community unit development Yeah.

Did you hear that acceptance of the community unit?

Yeah. First, I would probably move to I would move to recommend the changing of the lots to our three zoning from our one tool to allow for this. I would second that.

You said, whoa, the other way from our one to from our one to our three.

That's what I meant. OK, if I did, if I said it backwards, I'm sorry. Just want to make sure we're from our from our one to our three.

So Kyle's made a motion and Rick has seconded that to change it from R1 to R3 zoning. Do we have a vote on that?

Aye.

That passed.

And the other piece of that then would be to whether or not to accept this development as submitted with the the details that are labeled therein with the setbacks, the parking, everything that's kind of described there. Yeah.

As a community unit development.

Yeah, I would move to accept the request for recommendation of the planned community unit with 40 units as shown. Located at 301 East 10th.

That's moving to accept the plan.

Yes.

The plan is presented.

Yes.

Are you seconding it? I can. Oh, I didn't understand. I'm not. Second.

Okay. Kyle's made a motion to, and Dr. Birch has seconded it. So let's have a vote on proceeding with the plan.

Aye. Aye. Passed.

I will tell you, the housing authority here in Salem, I think you all have done a good job. Yeah, I think so too. Are you still taking the single family homes? Well, it's kind of slow right now.

We're working on a property. Yeah, right. Missy? Missy, sorry.

We're working on the Franklin property, so we haven't been... We've got one more property on 204 West... What is it? Rolla Road. Rolla Road. Yes. Yeah. That we've got. That's a single family home. And that'll be the next one that we get going on besides the large lots that we've acquired on Franklin. But I've got one more double wide trailer that we're in the process of getting rid of. And I have residents in that that it's been kind of hard to get them out. But I think by the end of this September, they'll be out and we'll be able to move forward with the removal of that. Partnership with the city on the demolition program, again, to do that.

Thank you.

And so if I can put a quick plug in about the demolition program so that you gentlemen know as well as anyone listening in the public. So the city does have that. It went on the back burner for a while until we hired Miss Carrie for economic development, Carrie Sutterfield. But that is now active again and funded in the budget. um where an individual who has a property with a house on it that is beyond the point of them wanting to repair or fix up they have the option of they could donate it to the city in which case the city will take care of the demolition and cleanup and then it's the city's property or they can talk with Ms. Carey, and then the city will cover the, excuse me.

Dumpster fees.

Yeah, the dumpster, the cost for the dumpsters, the big roll-off dumpsters for all the debris, as well as the hauling and disposal of the debris from the demolition. The homeowner would be responsible for taking care of paying the contractor to do the demolition, but the city would cover the cost of the dumpsters and the disposal. of the debris so it's a way to kind of assist folks with cleaning up properties around town so and so the housing authority has taken advantage of that um on multiple occasions but it's open to individuals in the community as well so just want to put that out there yes right that is for residential only at this time not for commercial so

So there's my sales plug. Yeah, we need a motion to do it, though.

I'd like to make a motion to close this meeting.

I move that we close. Okay. Are we voting to close the meeting then? We're done. Do you want a second? Yeah, I'll second.

I'll second adjournment.

Thank you, gentlemen.

Thanks.

Oh, you can't. I'm sorry.