Comprehensive Plan Oversight Committee - Regular Meeting

I called the city of San Marcos comprehensive plan oversight committee to order at 06:03. This is Monday, May 4. Let's do roll call. Okay.

Sarah Simpson? Here. Cody Landsomy?

Aye. Here.

Robert Eby?

Here.

Gabrielle Moore? Here. Rosalie Ray? Here. Cody Salvo and Lisa Pruitt are absent.

Okay. Do we need to do it? I think we've done introductions already. We both know each other now. Yeah. Okay. We move on to the citizen comment period. Each speaker will be provided up to three minutes to speak. Persons wishing to speak during the citizen comment portion of the meeting virtually must email planninginfo@sanmarcostx.gov prior to 12PM on the day of the meeting. The call in number will be provided for participation.

Written comments can also be submitted to planninginfosanmarcos tx dot gov for distribution of the board prior to the meeting. Those wishing to speak in person may sign up in person on the day of the meeting. Each speaker is signed up prior to the meeting being called in order will be called in the order which they signed up. Do we have any citizens signed up to speak?

We do not.

Okay. I closed the citizen component. First action item on the agenda is consider approval by motion to regular meeting minutes for the comprehensive plan oversight committee on 11/03/2025. That is in our packet, sort of in the middle.

And will we approve the minute? Second.

That's fast. Okay.

We'll do

a simple yay or nay. All all in favor? Aye. Any opposed? Anyone need more time? Alright. Unanimous approval. And I'll move forward as item number two. We know who's gonna get nominated. Discuss and consider nominations and the selection of the position of chair and vice chair of the comprehensive plan oversight committee.

I wish to say that as much as I've enjoyed this role, and I would like would have liked to continue as chair, I have been nominated as chair of another city commission and feel like that commission's purview somewhat conflicts with my role here. So I am not resigning from the committee, but I am resigning from the chair position. So I do not propose any conflict of interest. So we need nominations. I like to do let's do chair first. So nominations for chair.

I'd like to nominate Cody. K.

Second. Second.

Got him some more. Any discussion on this item?

I was gonna monitor Sarah, but I don't know if we'll get a second on that one.

No discussion. Alright. We're gonna do roll call vote for this one. So Sarah Simpson? Yay. Cody Lansing?

Yes.

Robert Eby?

Yes.

Deborah Moore? Yeah. Presley Green? Yes. Alright. Motion passes.

And we need nominations for a vice chair.

I nominate Sarah Sims.

I second.

Alright. Let's sign the book.

K. Cody?

Yes.

Robert Eby?

Yes.

Gavin O'Moore? Yes. Leslie Ray? Yes. And motion oh, Sarah Simpson?

Sure. Yes. Alright.

Motion 30.

Congrats, Cody and Sarah.

Thank you, Cody.

And these

are your duties here, which is really running the agenda, running the the in the shared absence, the vice chair would run it, and we'll get you a little signature format.

Cool. So my duties start next meeting?

Yes. They would start next meeting if you would like to continue, Ryan.

I'll I'll finish.

So Okay.

I'll finish today's meeting. I'll I'll practice

up for next time.

Use your big man voice or whatever. Don't know.

Big person. That's not an idea,

isn't it?

I shall stick to the agenda. Stick to the agenda. That's okay. Next item, so that closes the action items. Up for discussion is to receive a staff presentation, hold the discussion on the vision SMTX comprehensive plan implementation report, and provide feedback to staff. So this is where we get our big presentation.

Alrighty.

So good to see you all again. It's been since November, since our last meeting, and a lot has happened since then. So I'm just gonna give an overview of, a few items. The first being, we're gonna kinda just discuss the schedule for this year. You guys saw it last year, but I made a few tweaks.

I'm gonna provide an overview of the 2026 strategic plan, which is what council adopted in January. Also, I'm gonna present some new metrics that we identified since the last meeting in November on a few of the different action items. And in between you all, there's the full list that was included in the council packet. So if you wanna share that, you can kinda see some. And then the majority of the time, we'll spend on a status update on the priorities that you identified last.

So there's a memo in your packet, and then I'll walk through some of those updates. And then I just wanna keep a standing kind of item, which is the implementation tracking dashboard, and just kinda let you know we're still working on it and have forgot about it and kind of actively working with our IT department on that. So here's our schedule. So in January, council, developed their strategic plan. And what we have been doing is now that they've included a few of those items, actually, all of the items that you all recommended in November into their strategic plan, our job is refining and strategizing how to get those done within this year and also looking to multiple years to see what action steps needed you.

So we're here today at committee number one. We're gonna review some of that progress and a few metrics as well. And then in the summer, we'll have our meeting number two, which is really all of the staff working, all the different departments working on updating that spreadsheet for you all so you can get some more updated progress. The other thing we're gonna do a little bit differently as well is we want to help you guys out by actually identifying some of the staff's priorities too so we can let you know what's moving and give you that sense of here are things that we're already starting to make momentum on. That might actually help you all refine some of your priorities for next year.

Budget is constantly ongoing, but the budget will be adopted in September. And, you know, the budget's important because it helps us to ask for different things that might require some type of monetary implementation, which we'll talk about in the memo. Cool. So October, we'll meet again, and we'll finalize your priority actions. You do have some homework in here where I'll I'll explain since we only have three meetings a year.

You'll have some homework in between then, and then we'll start to prepare some items for city council. Council. We hope to start moving forward to PNC and council a little bit earlier this year. We got stuck this past year because the charter was changed, and we didn't have to have as many meetings. And so one of the meetings that we were supposed to be at actually just got totally mixed and made the next meeting extremely long. So that's actually why we kinda have that jumble of things. So we'll probably start I'll update this. We'll probably start those presentations a little bit earlier just so we don't feel rushed when we're presenting. And here's my flowchart that explains it all. If you're a visual learner like me, we've done all these things.

Here's the big work on staff end. It's updating that spreadsheet to get that to you all for your next meeting. Okay. Strategic plan. This is included in your packet. It was developed at a city council visioning session in January. And, again, it's directly tied to the budget, so it helps set the policy for how the council starts to allocate funds for this next year. So, for example, January is where the strategic plan happens. The discussions in January are going to influence the budget for the following year. We can also think about it as staff's work plan for the year.

So within the strategic plan, we actually have quarterly updates we do with the council, and we actually have to report out progress quarterly on each of the items in the strategic plan. So what got in? They pretty much, we actually had a good amount of discussion at the January fishing session. So Robert was gonna present at one of our council meetings, and we weren't able to get to that item during a work session. So they thankfully let us have some time at their visioning session.

Unfortunately, I had to do that presenting on behalf of VHaul. So, hopefully, it did an okay job. There was actually a lot of good discussion on it. I think I sent up a link where you could hopefully hear a little bit of it. It was in the activity center, so it's a little hard to hear. But there's a lot of discussion, a lot of questions. And at the end of the day, the council was super supportive. They I mean, it took a long time to get through it because they were asking so many questions. So what they did is they put this line item up. It's the very first one under quality of life and sense of place, which is implement comprehensive plan focusing on implementation of items prioritized by oversight committee.

So what we're doing on staff end is we are in our quarterly reports, we're also kind of providing those really refined items to the council so that they can see how we're making progress on those through the year. I wanted to put these other four bullets here for you, which were both already in the strategic plan. I think one of them was maybe wordsmith a little bit, but they actually are just repetitions of the things that you have prioritized in your, you know, top six or seven items. So strategic plan or the housing action plan, the economic development policy, the tool, fiscal tool, and then kind of this concept of the five to ten minute travel time to get to different services. And so I'll stop there.

Does anyone have any questions before I move to the

next section? I I just wanna clarify. I remember trying to look at this before. So this document that we all kind of workshopped together Mhmm. Was provided to counsel. They reviewed that. But it's not necessarily directly reflected in the strategic plan. It's integrated, you know, or, like, there weren't any of those that they rejected. Correct. Yeah. Okay.

Instead of, you know, they could have gone an up half where they just copy and pasted each one. Yep. But instead, they just decided to put this overarching piece. And so we are going we are giving them the updates more refined through their quarterly update with the caveat that some of these things are specifically already identified. But they didn't just copy and paste in that form. But that doesn't mean that they didn't agree with them. They said, yes. We want those in. Put those in. They just sort of summarized it. Okay.

And the five to ten minute access to basic needs, is that expanded elsewhere to me through multiglobe transportation access?

No. So in the comp plan, it doesn't state vehicular. That was a big I that that particular action, it doesn't state vehicular anymore. And this is probably something that was already in there from the last strategic plan that got carried over. But if you're getting at that, it doesn't state vehicular. It states pedestrian, bicycle in the comp plan today. Does that answer your question? I think so. Something

to monitor with over.

Yes. Because everything's within fifteen minutes of driving distance. Yeah. We're not measuring that statistic in our metrics at all. Yeah. K.

And speaking

of metrics, so we we've really been thinking through our performance metrics and have really tried to refine them, particularly on the planning side because we do so much GIS work, and we have GIS staff within our department. So one of the things we did between November and when we went to council is we did update the, section of any of the items that our department was responsible for that we could do with some type of spatial analysis. We went in and added more measurable metrics. We kinda heard the last meeting, they're high level. Right?

We haven't really been able to drill down. And so we took that, and our JS team has really been trying to identify what are the things we can measure now, but also trying to identify we'd love to measure this, but we have no data on it. And how do we to

like a a creeping, like a starting point.

Yeah. I was wondering

about the, like, linear feet. But is that, like, the first time it's

been totaled?

Yeah. I mean, truly. And, you know, that's so over here on the left, these are just a full few examples I pulled from the big spreadsheet for anything that we're responsible for from the the planning side. But, again, these things overlap other departments as well. On the right are just, for example, things that we started to just pull, but even that number, the linear total linear feet of sidewalk and the city limits to date, that's an example of, yes, we can pull that now. But what we're actually getting at is, well, is it, you know, is it connected? Are we talking linear feet? That's actually measuring a feature on both sides of the street. You know? So is that really kind of imploding that number?

So there's a lot of data work that has to be done to kind of get us to something that we're actually it's gonna tell the story we wanted to tell. And so that just take takes some time. So we're working with lots of different departments. It's also a lot of our processes is, alright, how can we when CIP puts in a new sidewalk, are we ensuring that that is being inputted into GIS in time for us to, like, capture that? Or on the development side, you know, how long how long is it before we are able to add that feature in?

So that way, we're actually pulling data at the right time and can show progress. So at the end the day, it's quite complicated, but our team is definitely looking at it. And we, you know, feel pretty good about at least at least there's over here on the left that we're really joined out to clean the the data so that it actually makes sense for, you know, reporting out our progress. And so we can maybe create goals, like, we wanna add what's feasible over a certain number of years. For the ten minute walk, is

it as the crow flies are with connected streets and are there sidewalks?

Yeah. So it should be for us, we discussed that there should be connected sidewalks. And so if you don't have a connected sidewalk, you can't necessarily safely walk. But at the same time, could we then find a separate metric that says, well, it is within if there was a sidewalk. And so how do we sort of tell, here's it today. Here's it with a few improvements, and look how many new households now have access.

And so which one can you do now?

First. Okay. Mhmm. The first. Yeah. And I think that's a little bit of on our end. Well, really, that's probably an implementation of something, but the first one is what we can do now. As a group wise, that's very easy. Yeah. That doesn't tell us anything necessarily. Although it could tell us if we had connected sidewalks. Again, we'll at these people.

There's always that idea for an aerial tramp that gets floated around for Samarkets too. So, like Yeah. As

the train crawls, how much? I

had another question too. The difference between tracking and not tracking in here because some of them you have very clear metrics, but it still says not tracking. So, like, I'm looking at, like, the number of the number and location of operational transit occupancy limits in the H N 4, and I feel like y'all know that. Yeah. I know that. So surely you know that. Yeah. So then what what signifies, like, tracking or not?

Yeah. That's probably just an error on that one, so I will I will make sure too when we do this exercise. Again, we just go in and refine and make sure all of our departments know what they need to be filling in. But tracking should be like I said, we have we have the data. We can track it. Oh, we're fine. I gave you guys all my spreadsheets. Sorry. So that's so I can see. Right?

This is 14. That's what I was looking at. Page 14. Yeah. I just meant, do you know these things?

Metrics. We so on the internal version, we also have one that is exploring. So that was our way of saying which ones do we which ones have we already started discussions on that we're not we're not tracking it, but we're exploring it now. So we can at least start to identify, well, let's focus on the ones that we're exploring as the first phase.

So And now what when would it go into the tracking? What does that mean on outside? Like, do y'all have an internal spreadsheet? Or I know we talked about, like, there being a dashboard.

Yeah. My goal would be it goes straight into a dashboard. So it doesn't live in any other location. Yeah. Mhmm. Yeah. It goes straight into something. So that's where that's almost where the data lives, and we can easily update it at certain time frames so that way we know, like, when does the start date for our year look like so we can evaluate what we did for the prior year.

Cool. So, like, that idea would be tracking and then anything before that is exploring. Exactly.

And I will say some of these items are not, you know, quantitative tracking. We did struggle with that over the past couple of months is as we've been going through this, some of the action items, they might not have something you can specifically believe in, let's say, the housing action plan. They're the the the metric the performance metric there is a. Right? You can't necessarily and that's not necessarily useful.

The housing action plan, even the draft right now, the bottom of every chapter are metrics. So it's gonna come out with its own. But that's some of the kind of, you know, caveat is, like, not every action item will really have a quantifiable metric. It might just be this is a checkbox, or it the metrics might look a little more like we've you know, a qualitative, you know, statement that we've we've heard this or this is increasing. So I think trying to differentiate between those is another exercise we've been doing for the past couple of months.

Could you split the metric status? Because it feels like some of these you are tracking, but you might say not tracking because some of the other ones you can't. Like, I'm looking at the housing action plan, like, housing and neighborhoods.

Mhmm.

And it's like, you like, we have things that you could look at for the development incentives and that kind of thing in a way, but, like, I get that we can't track the adoption of the plan.

Oh, so it'd be like

Yeah. So, like, some of them in there, you could track, and some of them, you can't. So is there a way to, like, track that? Yeah.

Yeah. No. That makes sense. We could do that just to refine that a little bit more. Any other questions? This is Matt. I'll slide on. Patrick, just wanna give you an update that working through it, trying to find things that we can track, and then a lot of a lot of data cleanup. And, honestly, we do a lot of good internal process cleanup to figure out who is kind of responsible and what are we what data are we missing for the permitting process potentially?

At any point in time, would there be I guess, in looking through this, if you had any comments on things to track, I guess I know it's complicated, I need to set in terms of what can or cannot be. But at any point in time, y'all anticipate wanting like, bringing that board for feedback in terms of things that are being tracked, like, across like, that would go on the the dashboard or something. That would be great. I don't know if that's now or if that's in the future. Or

You know, I I debated even having kind of a question for you, you know, but there's a lot to think through. So that could actually be part of our homework assignment piece too is I'd love, you know, input on things that you think, you know, should be tracked or something that would be helpful for you to see. You know, a lot of what we're doing is looking at other cities' kind of dashboards and different metrics that other cities are using. That's been our kind of starting point to, you know, figure out, like, how how are people telling this story? And that's just a lot of, like, conversations with other planning departments, other departments, you know, just a lot of brainstorming because it's not anything that we've really done before even with most of our master plans.

So that can I can put that in a homework email, but that would be great? A good idea.

Could you share any of the, like, good examples Yeah. Too? Because that would just be told as well Yep. What y'all are kind of you know, what y'all think is a good example to Yeah. Follow-up. Yes. Definitely.

Okay. So for attendees. Okay. The next section is our memo. I just wanted to pull it up here for us.

So last bit of this is was going over our, you know, progress that we've done over the past really, since November of what progress have we made on the priorities. So, again, we're trying to set up our dashboard. So the first thing I wanted to just go over are a new way to organize some of the implementation progress into status indicators. So what we've done, and this is this is something we noticed on some of the example dashboards that we've found from other cities, is finding ways to really explain the progress or why isn't there progress. So some of the status indicators that we came up with are on track.

So that indicates that an action is on track for completion. Some disruption. So that means that there might be a minor roadblock in the action that can jeopardize either timely completion or it might jeopardize the outcome. A major disruption is just a larger roadblock that will impact the the completion or time of completion. And then completed, we hope we have lots of those in case the action is completed.

And then upcoming, so something that maybe there are no roadblocks, you know, but we wanna stay we're we haven't quite started it. It's not necessarily on track, but it's, like, it's upcoming. So these are the metrics that we're starting to play around with our status indicators, and we've seen some pretty good examples who start to use these. The other thing I wanted to differentiate is type of action. So we really noticed that there's a big difference between something in the comprehensive plan that can be done in a single action, and there are a lot of things that are continuous actions.

So in other words, a single action will never really be able to result in fully completed. We might have you know, it's always gonna be on track. We might be able to report out completion completed items, but, you know, we might not be able to say, like, yes. We have successfully solved this. And in looking at the comprehensive plan, there really are a lot of continuous actions, and so we just wanna be transparent that they should be continuing for the lifetime of the plan. So we'll just need to, as we go through this process, find ways to communicate the successes and what's been completed with each one, but not that it would ever just be done.

I would say on the green one, the on track, To me, kinda makes sense to add the word ongoing slash on track Mhmm. To maybe cover or, like, capture some of the continuous action. Because when I was reading those, yeah, I was what I was thinking, like, the completed versus on track, and maybe some will just stay green forever.

Yeah. Hopefully. Who knows that?

I mean, not go yellow or red. But Right. But then that one could maybe kind of capture the aspect of it. I don't know.

That will be all green and blue and rivery. Yeah. Yeah.

That's that's

just like seeing a mountain.

Yeah. Alright. Maybe.

We're not talking about that.

Major disruption. Okay.

So I talked about the different departments, and I did wanna acknowledge Helen is our new she's on virtually. She's listening in, but I also wanted her to be here in case she wanted to add to some of the discussion when we get down to the economic development pieces. So she's gonna listen in. She's our new economic development and business coordination director. Oh, jeez.

I think that's her. Uh-huh. So she and she's also a planner by trade, so it's been great to collaborate. So first action here is the the transportation master plan and aligning the TMP, the new one that we're gonna be creating with our preferred scenario map. And so we are this is a single action, which is exciting, so you should be able to check that off.

Our lead department is engineering and CIP, and many departments are supporting. We're doing a lot of assistance on kind of the land use side. And so first plug, it's next Thursday. There's a transportation master plan at the Woodhouse, so you all should attend that. And what we've been doing so far is done an existing conditions review and an existing plan review, looks at all of our other plans in the city and how they align moving forward.

We have also ensured that a lot of preferred scenario, which is the kind of the future menu snap adopted with the comprehensive plan, that that's really incorporated into this beginning stage so we can start to identify where are the places we already said we wanted to have growth and how is the TMP going to align with that. Or if it's not, why, and do we need to make adjustments from a comp plan level? And so this is just kicking off. It's scheduled for adoption in December 2027. So, again, we're at the very first beginning of it, started the project.

There's also a online comment map. So that gives an opportunity for you all to participate in that way as much as you like. So this one, again, just it's a single action. Are there any questions on this? And I'm make sure these get over to the responsible department too.

Is the comment map open now?

Yes. Through May in a name? Right? Yeah. I

will wait for it some more if you're trying

to text it to you, hopefully.

Don't forget to flip through. There's three different levels of, like, transit, bike, and Okay. And all of the comments. The last time I looked around the first one, and I was like, y'all, there are, like, bike comments on the road.

Mhmm. Did

you think about all the math that's all you have? Yeah.

There's, like, a active transportation, major thoroughfares, and transit. Each have their own tab, technically. Yeah.

I knew that.

It's not. Yeah. I think you really oh, okay.

I was trying to find the there's also,

like, a million options for how you can add those. Yes. Because I'm like when I was going through, was like, oh, maybe I this should have been another icon.

But I do really like that you can actually, like, draw exactly what you want. Yeah.

It closes May 31.

It's pretty neat.

Mhmm. I had one comment on this and something that other groups spent time looking at is, like, on the TMP, something that we noted for a while is that the, like, the road maintenance plan is not aligning to it's not necessarily reinforcing or, like, I think recently we were talking about River Road as an example where it's supposed to have a protected bike lane. The road maintenance plan where they're repaving, restriping is not implementing that, and it could be. And so some of that sort of stuff is, like Yeah.

You know,

it would be helpful with that too because you just mentioned other departments aligning with us.

Mhmm. Yeah. And I said, yeah. It's like,

we we just

need to get engineering

aligning and working together.

Mhmm. Or in public works on that one. Yes. Public works. Yeah. He Yeah. Yeah. Even though they're supposed to be, they're not. Yeah. Well, I mean, they're they're obviously working together all the time, but that's just, like, one little level there where it's like, that would be an easy one.

Right. You know? It's identified as buffered and protected by claims. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's great. K. So our next one is the transportation well, really, it's regarding a city staff position. So evaluate the need for a city staff position to manage transportation demand management programs to encourage active transportation transit services such as rideshare and park and ride systems.

So I identified this as continuous and single, really, because the statement is evaluate the need for city staff position. We should always be doing that as city roads. But, also, the goal would be to have a new person on staff. So the department responsible for this is public works, and we kind of indicated supporting as well for really just connecting some of these different transportation variables. So, in general, the city budget was not able to support funding for any position last year nor this year.

And so, you know, we've discussed this internally, and we really you know, we'll continue to evaluate when we find a need to have that position. We also did recently lose one of our positions, one of our personnel, Charles Campbell. So we are kind of really focusing on, you know, getting that position built. However, you know, one of your comments up here was about how this action should be nested within the TMP. So engineering also is looking at TDM in the TMP.

So one of the big things is it's, looking to be a key strategy to optimize the performance of its system transportation system by reducing single occupancy vehicle trips and shifting travel behavior. So, really, it is playing to and into scope to think through these things. We did confirm that with Rohit. And so they provided some commentary here about, again, trying to align the land use, the multimodal investments. And so, it is part of the TMP scope currently.

I think that gives an opportunity for it to be discussed there. Whether or not a new study staff position comes out of it is really just gonna depend on are there going to be new TDM programs that are budgeted that occur that would require additional city staff? Of course, you know, taking into consideration the, you know, the budget and what what one person can do and when we can ask for another. So, again, this is on everyone's radar. And as new programs start

to come online, I know

the Perkin Advisory Board is looking at different programs that would probably necessitate a lot more staff time to administer.

You know, that's when it would

be done. But this is you know, I think I put this one as a major disruption. You know, that's city staff positions right now are are tough to get. And we also currently have a position that is doing TDM as part of that.

Yes. So my only note on this is I think at some point in the wordsmithing, it kind of shifted from transportation planner to TDM, and they're two different jobs. And I think that it might be important to just at least keep in mind while waiting that someone whose main job it is to specifically focus on federal, state, grants, planning, mapping, tracking all of these metrics that you're doing is a planner job actually and specifically focused on transportation, which I think is kind of what's missing as much as, you know, future managing of spin scooters or whatever. Right? That, like, having a transportation data grants planner person is itself a useful and theoretically revenue generating role in terms of what you can bring in.

So you're saying that it could help fund itself?

Well, I mean, in theory. Right? If there were if we lived in a world in which the state and federal government were giving transportation grants in this mall, it makes sense, but it doesn't make sense right now. But

think that that could be a refinement in the priorities when we meet at your next meetings to maybe stress some of those pieces because then that could kind of add to you know, that's definitely not what when we're explaining it to council, you know, that's not the way that we were posing it. So I think that could be a refinement if you just wanna go there.

And New Braunfels has one. So Yeah. New Braunfels has a transportation planner, and she's busy making a bike bed plan right now. Wow. Yeah. That is annoying.

Mhmm.

He also just had no action, so they didn't use it.

Questions on this one? Alright. This next is a continuous item. So this is about ensuring safe crossing options under I 35 and then other major arterials to connect neighborhoods and residents. So you guys refine this a little bit more.

You identify the specific intersections and also just sort of streets that have longer blocks. And so, really, public works and planning are supporting engineering with this. Planning can support it from a development perspective. Public works can support it from, you know, specific intersections that might need, you know, assistance and or infill things. But, really, it's driven by engineering and CIP, and a lot of it is driven by tech stock because pretty much every street you identified, yeah, is gonna cross some type of tech stock facility.

So a couple updates from engineering on this are there's an I 35 shared use path coming in along at the San Marcos River. So that's expected to be done 2026. That's we've talked about that quite a bit. It's going under. And so it's not quite, you know, quite done, but we're making progress on that. And then the transportation master plan is looking at a lot of these priority crossings. It's one of the things that we've been looking at with the crash data as well.

Sorry. I just said that that shared use is that the one that's, like, near the baseball field?

Mhmm.

And so it's just not done? Right. But it's like, you can be back.

You can, but it's not

Oh, okay. Safely done. Okay. Okay. I was like,

that's fine.

Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. Transportation master plan and some of our existing conditions and and from the documentation I've already reviewed is identifying almost all of these intersections already, which is great. And then a couple of other kind of entities are involved in many of these. So Hays County is leading a project along Center Point Road from I 35 to Hunter Road that is evaluating that area, so we're actively getting to participate in some of that commentary. TxA has also begun a study along I 35, and, I put a link here so you can go kinda learn about it.

So another way that we, as a city, are able to sort of participate some of that infrastructure is, they're doing a study that's gonna impact all of the crossings along through that. So it's Wonderworld, you know, moving south from there.

That Center Point Road 1, is that is that in camp? Is Center Point Road in the county?

Yeah. Parts of it. Mhmm. Only portions that might be annexed, like, zoning right in front of it. Between I 35

and Hunter, that's some of that's

in county. Think that's that. Okay. Weird. It's It's got some gap. We've been filling in a little bit of gap. Five. Gaps. But it's still his kind of project. And those plans are online if you wanna kinda go and look at those. And they're sort of these Yeah.

Kissing tree on the center.

Kissing tree is center point. Okay. Is that what's driving that? Or No. I think that's also a utility project.

So They're puddling. Okay. Cool. Yeah.

And so our consultants and on the TMP and Rohit provided just some further information here that just drills down into what the TMP is doing. So it's addressing a a a corridor and network level crossing assessment to identify the priority locations based on the crash history, the traffic volumes and speeds, the proximity to key distances, just destinations, and then gaps in the network. And so then the TMP is actually gonna give a list, a prioritized list of different crossings and then seeing what should occur at those specific crossings. And, again, TMP high level. Right?

But it would then form the capital improvement plan, which could then, you know, funnel into how that money is divided up or would identify what grants we should be going after. Again, we're super heavy, you know, going after a lot of grants to help support the CIP in a lot of areas.

One question on that. It says grade separated crossings. Do you know what that where what that would be implied?

Think they need have been identified, but that's probably talking more about the regular tracks. Okay. Okay. K. Thank you. You know?

Was like, wanna make

sure things don't get worse there

with the diverging diamond situation. Oh, yeah. No. It's okay. That'd nice. Anyways, yeah.

And the you know, those intersections with the diverged diamonds are one of the things that we're looking at. So Okay. Yeah. These side stops with with test stop. Cool. And then I think just broadly, this is this doesn't just touch us. This is Hays County. In a lot of cases, it's even working with GSP. There's an item on for tomorrow where we're kind of supporting a grant they're going after for really text us the applicant to the federal government. But there's always new opportunities.

It's it's hard to always be able to identify every single thing that's happening in this area. But, you know, if you just look at the castle agenda, there's multiple things that are that are touching this. So we, you know, we realize the crash data and are trying to find ways to address it as well. So but keeping it as a priority is important. Yeah.

Metrics for success, again, from kind of a high level, you know, be this is one of those where trying to drill down how you're communicating progress is one of those, and we're trying to pay attention to some other cities and how they're reporting these things out. So I think that would also be helpful. Is this one where, yes, you can state that there's a we want to improve number of intersections, but that's not really telling. We really wanna drill down to, like, what's the story, and how do we tell that story?

You guys have, as part of the Campo Safe Streets plan, probably crash metrics for different intersections. Yes. So that would be another potential performance metric is we have the baseline. How is what we're doing? How do

we yeah. How are we going year over year? What projects or what projects are coming up that are gonna

Better that we should see a Mhmm. An improvement.

I know y'all are probably looking at Austin, but I feel like I get their updates on, like, their they'll fall in the whole Vision Zero implementation, and they've done a pretty good job just, like, even in the email last week. We've done this business. So I've yeah.

Much bigger city.

But Yeah. No. Yeah. Yeah. Understood. But still, yeah, it's it's not it's cool to see those.

Yeah.

So we try to find Yeah. We try to find those low hanging fruits. Like, that was a cool data. We could do this one.

You know?

And figuring out which ones can we do or, like, which one is actually super important. It might take us some time, but it would actually really tell a story. So trying to tell the story, thinking about that from that lens would be

And I think came the most recent safety plan that came before council and they adapted, I forget if it was they signed it on or what, but I know I saw it because it was the same meeting where they also then raised the speed limit on one twenty three, and I was like, y'all. But, anyway, that meeting, they actually have a prioritized list of, like, pet safety intersections in San Marcos. I think it was from a Hays County safety plan, but I think you could use that and those metrics as your starting baseline without any additional work on your end. That's a good that's a good point. Yeah.

In their defense, TxSet was forcing them to raise the.

It's hard to do what?

TxSat was forcing them to raise the speed limit on the paper even though they had just approved a plan that told them that 01/23 was state choice. Local government is hard.

Okay. Any other questions on the TMP? When is that scheduled to be done? Twenty twenty

December twenty seven.

Okay. December 2027.

They might have a more refined timeline at the the house. Okay. Action. OU 3.7. This was create a tool to analyze the fiscal sustainability defined as the long term public cost obligations and visible productivity of new development proposals.

So, you guys I wanted to just state you guys stressed in here the education piece, and, we are really taking the perspective of stressing the education piece first. So we put this as a major disruption. It's a single action, lead department planning, but, Helen has been involved in a lot of our conversations that we've had over the past couple of months on this topic because we are trying to figure out how do we get it done and where would we start and how much would it cost. So foremost, implementation of this will require consultant services to develop the educational tool. We are really trying to take the perspective of force doing education before we really ever introduce a tool.

And I think the important part about that is it's it's complicated, and we want the tool to be used. And so that is education with the public, appointed elected officials, boards and commissions. You might have to look at the CIP. And so we did actually research some firms, had some conversations with some firms to better and better understand, like, what are the options, you know, what have other cities done, what could be recommendations for us. So we're we're trying to move that direction.

We don't have this currently proposed as part of the fiscal year twenty seven budget, so we would not be looking at starting this next year. It would most likely have to be the following year. Yeah. Propose the preparation to the fiscal year twenty eight budget. But we are talking internally and trying to find the best ways to have success, and I think also really ensure we have, you know, alliance with city management and kind of their perspective on it. So we put major disruption just because it isn't something that we can do internally, but we are working towards it and, again, have been working with our economic development department to figure that out. So When you say tool,

would that be similar to what staff uses in presentation of, like, a zoning case? Or, like, is it something that the public would go in? Or, like, I mean, yeah, what exactly is Yeah. That's out there?

I actually would love to even move away. Yes. That could be what we get to we get towards. Yeah. However, talking with some of the groups who actually have created these tools and have been doing this for the past, you know, ten, fifteen, twenty years, they are actually saying, you know, this idea of a tool or the safe faked tool, like, that was a very early iteration of what we're doing.

We've actually moved and we found success in another type of analysis so that it isn't necessarily it can help with decision making, but maybe not as black and white. And so, yes, we hope to move to that point where you could evaluate something on a lot basis or maybe not a lot basis, but a project basis. But we really are trying to stress the education component before we even start talking about a magic tool that can tell that story. And, actually, Helen might I'm gonna let her chime in because she's been really involved. And she was actually with the city of Brownsville who did something similar. So, hey, Helen.

Hi. Thank you. Unfortunately, I wish I could be there with you, but I'm glad I could at least stop it and and just, you know, give you a little bit of my feedback. I'm the new director of economic and local business development, really centered on small business downtown. The city of Brownsville, which is a population about 200,000, used a a tool to educate on our the public on, how investing in downtown is very positive.

Right? That's where most of our density is. That's where most of the small businesses lie. And so we used a fiscal analysis tool to really kinda tell the community the story of why investing in downtown was beneficial to our city. And so and so it wasn't necessarily, like, a tool that we would've put in project by project, but it did identify why sprawl may be concerning, or it did identify why we invest so much in certain areas and how it having good land use practices, in our UDC and in our, incentivizing of certain projects, why it makes sense.

And it also supported transit oriented development and those things. So it's more of a tool to help us gauge, why we're why the city was investing in some areas, of the city and incentivizing those, versus, versus a project by project tool. And that's because there's a lot of people there. Unfortunately, there was a major interstate that separated the downtown from other parts of the north of the city, which was vastly growing, and we wanted them to understand why the heart of the city was so important. Thank you.

So is it fair to say it's more of like an education campaign versus a tool? Is that fair to say? I'm just trying to understand it. You know?

Yes. For us, for that or the community, it was very much educational. It also told the story about the cost for services for fire, police, that we would have to have homes. And mind you, at that time, this was in 2020, so it's pretty early on. The medium cost of our homes were about 180,000.

And and what the tool showed is for us to cost recover the cost of police, fire, roads, maintenance, it would have to be $400,000 homes. And so that's how you cost recover. And the question is, do we really want to say no to to affordable housing, or what is a subsidy that we're gonna have to make up to to ensure that we have affordable housing and also market rate housing. It also helped to show that commercial and industrial development, because it paid more property taxes, that if we increase that, then the burden could be shifted less to residential and more to commercial. So it's a really good way to understand, you know, who's paying property taxes and how we can balance our economy.

When I was in the city of Hutto, fast growing small city, this was in 2015 near Round Rock and Flugerville, as you know. What we used is to show we had a pie chart that showed that 75% of our homes were single family residential and that a lot of the tax burden was on them, and we weren't creating many jobs. So we're about 25 nonresidential, commercial, industrial, and other. And so what we shifted was a philosophy of we need to increase the number of jobs. We do not wanna just be a bedroom community to Austin. And so then the city said, let's really look at our land use to ensure that we're zoning for commercial, light industrial, maybe around the

long

rail, but it really made us regard to our future land use map and great educational tool. And to this day, we did exactly that. If you looked at Hutto, it has a mixed use district of 79. It has it it eventually, TSTC, which is the West. They gave it this really long name. West Williamson County Higher Education Center, which is TSTC. So we created a thousand jobs, through a technology center right in front of the the the community college. So it really helped helped us with our strategy moving forward, not only from an economic development standpoint from a but from a land use and planning perspective.

When broadly, we we don't like I don't wanna say what it is because I wanna make sure we get what works for San Marcos. You know? And I I do think it would be in some form of a tool, but I think, you know, Helen just provided a couple different examples of how it can be used. And I think that was what was really great when we were meeting with different groups. Like, they can make it to whatever we need, but they really were stressing to be successful, it has to have education piece first. And so we really wanna start there and and and emphasize that first before we kind of I don't wanna portray it as something that will have a, you know, have

a tool that's gonna be

that magic thing that's gonna make all the decisions change. Like, it's actually the education and, like, understanding building that is the powerful piece of it. And so, yeah, I think Helen's kind of experience there with different ways to use it was helpful for us navigating those conversations with kind of different consultants. So

And when you say education, is it going to live

on the website and be accessible to the public always?

Yeah. Anything that comes out anything you could play around with. I think I have seen some cities where these firms have done things. It it lives there. But, you know, mainly thinking about accessibility is it's constant workshops with city council and planning zoning commission to where that type of information is accessible, and that narrative and that storytelling is always there. That data is always kind of there for the public to see. It's really, I think, what would be like is success in in access to that information.

And to your point that in Brownsville, it was specifically posted on the main website. It was shared with the public. It had a lot of graphics because some people are need to see are more visual. We we did roadshows to kind of talk about it. What does this mean? And, and and how to it was more simplistic. It was more like a dashboard with, kind of what you're talking about where the people could see how we were shifting land use patterns, and they could kinda see the strategy. So both communities had different ways of communicating it, but they both were transparent and open to the public in terms of the why and trying to get them have them understand, what does this data mean?

So it sounds like it will be variety of different things that come together. But, ultimately, that tool could be a metric that is housed on the dashboard or, you know, it could, yeah, take different forms. But okay. I understand. I'll follow-up better.

Thank you. Thank you, Helen. Appreciate it. Yeah.

Thank you.

No problem. Anytime. Appreciate it.

Any other questions on this one? I know it's it's a major instruction. Just wanna be upfront about it and also say we're trying to explore what's gonna work well for St. Marcus, keeping the same goal in mind.

I'll just really quick say that I had I had a vision of this being something that could be used during large, contentious project proposals. There's multiple examples in our past. But whenever there's a proposal for something that we're kinda weighing a lot of different factors on, this tool can help give some insight into the benefit and the cost of that instead of just a whole bunch of public outrage. But we actually have some real concrete evidence to say, well, it gives us this, but it's gonna cost us this. Mhmm.

Yeah. I think that's just an example of, like, saying, well,

we need to create

more jobs here, and that helps, you know, why burka and this and that. Makes a lot of sense. It would be, like, more of a it could be a more of a positive, like, a positive conversation instead of a, like, you know, we don't we don't want this instead turning, like, what are you know? Yeah.

Yep. I I think it's something that is very important because, you know, we see all of the shiny promises that are made up front with all kinds of proposals without a full understanding of the long term maintenance cost of those things. And I'm thinking specifically about more sprawling development or incentive packages that are given. And I think there are times that decisions are made with, the idea of making $1 now, and we'll pay back 10 later. But we gotta have the $1 now.

And this tool, I think, is gonna be really important to improve long term financial health. So it's a little bit disappointing in my book because budgets are always the the main focal point of every, you know, every other issue that needs to be tackled has to have budget for it. So just anyway.

When you say major disruption, do you feel like it is off the tracks?

Really? And this is me, Andrea, allocating what I think is a minor or a major, but not having it budgeted for, you know, this next year because we really haven't you know, just got prioritized. And so we need to have those conversations with our city management and ensure that, you know, we have the capacity. I think that to me is a major disruption because we can't budget it. You know, it's gonna probably remain if you want to remain on your priority list for a couple years, we can still make progress on things and start understanding what it is that we want and get that better vision from our team.

But we wouldn't be able to go under contract with anything because we cannot do this one in house. And not everything is like that on the comprehensive plan, but this is one of those that it requires expertise, and it requires, like, committed resources. And, also, I think to do it right, we wanna make sure we are allocating the right amount of money to that type of scope because what we don't want it to be is, for example, Citi, our planning department provides a stock report of all kinds of different information, codes, all this stuff. And so we don't want it to be a metric in a staff report that people don't understand, and it's just another thing in a staff report. It that will not be successful.

And, you know, I think in talking with Helen and talking with different consultant groups, they're they are really told us, you will not be successful if that's what it is. You have to have a very committed and scoped understanding with your community and counsel because it shouldn't necessarily just be a line item in your staff report. It's a it's a changing of thinking, and that is going to, you know, require time and expertise.

Yeah. And I I think this is a tool that, and I don't wanna speak for everyone else, but I think the committee would love for the city to have a better handle on budget either. So, like, if the city was a business, will it be profitable? And what sort of tools can be in place to ensure that that happens so that there's not just crazy tax burden that gets put on people or, you know, huge deficits. So, yeah, I I think I've said my piece on it, though.

Okay. I think that's that's an important item to add a little bit to Andrea's point. You know, it is. And it's a it's a budget item. It's also something that that we're going to have to think about our time and our resources within in house just so to to manage that process of getting that across. And as you can see, we're we're talking about needing positions to handle other thing. So we want to we want to be very purposeful in this and and try to find a tool that the community, you you know, has some ingredients on to some extent. And, you know, can we get the perfect one everybody's should have heard? No. But I think we can get a tool there, and there it is.

Andrea said it needs to be purposeful in our thinking because it could definitely shift the way that we do things Sure. A significantly. So

So I said there are other cities to emulate, like Ellen has already worked with. Mhmm. And I I mean, I would say that this is more important than anything else that could come out of this committee.

Right? They didn't really, you know, be a little perky today. The legislative session coming out of the twenty seventh told us a little bit about, you know, where we're where we're going and, you know, if there are some there are some things out there that, you know, the governor's proposed that could make some significant changes the way we got to do what I mentioned in the party. Property taxes and things like that, which could could make a change here too. So just, you know, being transparent about that piece wealth. Yeah. That is that's the other component. What we're. Specific.

We'll think of.

Mhmm. Sorry. Well, but just the qualifier on these status indicators, that is specifically for 2026. Specific. So so every year, they would be updated. And I guess that would be something and because this was just very clearly note, like, for this this year just to say because it put it kinda puts you into that thing of like, oh, this is never gonna be funded, but that's just for this current year. And And it will change. Exactly. It's updated. Yeah. I feel like

there's a dashboard, then it can be something that we can go in and change as through a year. You know? And it's, like, immediate. I saw Helen had Helen, you had your hand raised. Did you wanna say anything else?

Yes. I would just say that the comp plan is a long term document. So while we do our due diligence with consultants this year and our and and can propose a budget for the following fiscal year, it is a long term document, the one that we're tracking. So I think if we have to, you know, if we award it in a year or two, you'll still be on track with regard to it's a long term document. Right?

It's a long term vision document. And so, I I don't think anybody's saying no in this room. We just wanna be intentional to to Terry's point and do it carefully. And and it is it is complex because even with public improvement disc districts, we're negotiating, you know, 10% affordable housing. You know, we have some developers that want to prioritize veterans.

They are some are they're giving land for fire stations and then even the construction or assistance with construction of fire stations. So, you know, maybe the the tool that we use may may at first at first glance may not, may not show as positive. But when you go through the negotiation phase and and they're, and they're proposing community benefits, maybe the project can be a positive project. But but, again, I I think making sure that we're saying yes, and this this year will be good to see because because what fits for one community is not necessarily what fits for our city. So we wanna make sure that we're tailoring it to our community and to who we want wanna be in the future.

That's all. Thank you.

Thanks, Helen. New Braunfels, actually, just nearest. They have they embedded it into their comp plan. So it also could be an opportunity for updates to the comprehensive plan. We're required for the charter to update it so many years. So as that comes comes out, it could actually modify the preferred scenario to align the preferred scenario map with maybe a philosophy that comes out of that. So other cities are you know, there's different ways to use it. There's lots of different ways. So that's what's kind of great about it.

Yeah. Although I do feel like our comp plan is an example of it doesn't actually work if you just stick it in as a line item because we had numbers for each of the zoning types in our comp plan. Yes. And they were moved to the appendix and then maybe disappeared entirely.

Yeah.

So I think having it maybe not like, having it be a a stand alone education piece. Like, I I think I can see that. Just clarifying. If it's a fiscal year twenty eight budget, that means it's September 2027 that it needs to be adopted. Right? So it's not this coming September. It's next September.

Yes.

Alright.

Next is a continuous item. This was broadly to coordinate land use and transportation planning with proposed developments to ensure safe and convenient connections to sidewalk, bike lane, and transit networks from residential neighborhoods. And so you guys sort of stressed that multimodal connectivity to neighborhood centers in, really, the tools we have of the development code, the transportation master plan, and the transit master plan. So we've identified this one as continuous, and we kind of identified ourselves as the lead department. Just, again, it's touching a lot of different areas, but with CIP and engineering and public works being able to assist with that.

So couple updates here are just a few things we have proposed in the development code, which is in progress. It'll be at council tomorrow night with, hopefully, second reading at the next meeting in May. So we've done a few things to start to move the needle here. We tend to do in San Marcos, we tend to do development code updates once a year. So I think there are always going to be opportunities for this one to continue to improve.

For example, you know, clarification on sidewalk installation is actually missing gap in the code. So trying to close that hole and ensure that it's very clear when sidewalks are required both in the city limits and the city's ETJ, so really closing that gap. So as of right now, we can require sidewalks in the ETJ, and we just really wanted to solidify that. The only exception is if a property is larger than one acre, sidewalks are not required. It's pretty standard requirement across cities, and we've kinda kept that exemption in there.

The other big piece that we're we're hoping is going to help with some of our think more granular conversations at the zoning level is we introduced a new zoning tool called the development overlay regulating plan. A few if you've been kind of watching the development code, we did receive direction about a year, maybe a year and a half ago to start thinking about bringing planned development districts back into the development code, which is like a zoning overlay, and it allows you to really create your own mini development code for individual properties. Tons of p they're called PDVs for short. Tons of them. Kissing Tree is a good example of or the older one, like, lot of the newer neighborhoods.

So we actually have not had that tool since 2018, so it was removed. We did receive direction to bring it back or something like it back. So we brought back what's called a development overlay regulating plan that would be proposed alongside a zoning request. And the intent is to really create an overlay similar to an existing zoning district we have called planning areas where you are identifying, you know, specific infrastructure, like new streets, street use paths, all that kind of thing, And it's not a way to waive standards, which is what a PPD used to do. Waive them.

And so this is to really enhance standards. So we're gonna try this out if it is incorporated into the code to see if it could be a tool to beef up transportation networks in some places, and kind of give us maybe a a tool to do that. And, again, what's important about it is trying to find a way to do that within the state legislative abilities. But we are gonna try this out, and I think it might also let us talk about transportation among many other things at a granular level without it being maybe through the process that it is now. So it'd be like a little overlay, like a PDD light, but, like, very, very, very light.

Can you give an example of where that would be used positively? A development overlay? Yes. Like, how this new version because, like, in the past with the PDEs, you know, they'd be like, well, you know, we don't wanna comply with the requirements of that zoning district. We're gonna create our own. And then anytime that planning district is updated, then it wouldn't apply. That whole pocket of zoning categories would, like, be grab you know, like, this, like, isolated pocket that would never get updated. Right? Kind of feel like you know? So, like, how would the just how would the new one be different, or, like, what would be a positive, you know, use of it?

Yeah. So right now, you so right now, many zoning districts are approved with what's called a restrictive covenant, which is adopted with the ordinance, and it deviates various things. It might state that let's say, example I can think of now is maybe a property is choosing to zone to something that allows for five stories, but adjacent to that property is a single family neighborhood. And there's a lot of reasons why it should be c D 5, which is the zoned sugar of all five stories. However, the context around it would state that it should probably step back a little bit.

There's no there's nothing in the code that would require you to maybe step back in your height or to maybe provide a transition. And so that C D 5 might look like something to deny in that location because there are no protections in the development code, like step downs and those types of things related to that zoning district. And sometimes that's hard to codify. You never know when it's gonna be necessary. Sometimes some of that is on a case by case basis, similar to conditional use permits and how we negotiate those things.

It's based upon what's around it. So where maybe that zoning district might be denied because of the height or the intensity of leases. A development overlay could come in and state, alright. We're going to modify the height, and it should be three stories adjacent to the adjacent property for a certain amount of feet, and then you can go up to five. So it's allowing you to modify standards to probably provide more protections for things nearby.

And I think it could potentially give zoning districts a better chance of being approved. That would I would say that is the biggest benefit is there might be lots of things great about that zoning district, but there's this one thing that might prevent the necessary support. And so it could be a tool to figure out, well, what are the things that we can negotiate to allow that to occur? Anywhere you have a restrictive covenant, those types of discussions are already occurring. But this, if you read through the the district, it provides very specific things and has intense statements about what we're trying to get out of it versus the restrictive covenant is does not have any kind of structure.

Does that answer your question? I haven't we haven't really tried out, but I do think that we have seen some other cities that have things like it. And I've kinda talked to those other cities, and it's also, you know, I think a better tool than having a type of overlay that would allow modifications to codes.

And so if someone was like, we're gonna build a subdivision, but we don't wanna comply with the requirements of CD. Yeah. Whatever. Y'all are say, like, we can't. That It cannot be. Yeah.

It must go through

a variance process. So it's also trying to get something maybe better for the city. So you're always complying with the development code, but, potentially, you're going to be you're never you're going to be more restrictive. It is a way to be more restrictive. That has pros and cons.

So you couldn't use it to go up to six feet to six to where it gets in. Exactly. Yeah.

You could or you could

You could. You could only go down.

The code does have those in your example, the code does have the buffers, the landscape buffers. Right?

But Yeah. Transitional protective gear. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that's just But that's just shrubs, trees.

Not for the building itself. Yeah. Unless it's, a sensitive site or yeah.

Which is then only applicable to the downtown. So it's very difficult to code some of these things we're talking about because you never know what it's gonna be until it comes up. And then it's a case by case basis. And we say, well, what does this property need in order to help it fit in better with its surroundings? And this is a tool to do that because you just can't always think about the situation. Hence why there actually have been lots of restricted permits.

And you're thinking about it on that lot by lot, but I'll be curious to see if Mhmm. If people try to use it somehow off the, like, the large swaths of things. Yeah. Yeah.

Well, it's Yeah. I'm thinking about it zoning district. You've zoning district. So it could be that a neighborhood comes in and, hey. They're we actually want to have a certain, you know, buffer over here. We want a conservation buffer. This could be a tool to get that. Actually, that's a pretty good example. There have been a few of those where there's been 200 foot buffer next to this creek that, yes, we had environmental rules regarding, but it it sort of can solidify some of that stuff.

But this is proposed by the developers and by the city when there's a request?

It can be both.

Okay.

So if we feel if someone comes to the table and says, hey. I wanna do this. We say, alright. We think that this might be a good tool for you. Here are some of the concerns we have. Would you be willing to incorporate some of this into your, you know, overlay? I will say, though, that it is just zoning is a a process against the planning and zoning commission of city council. So those boards and and council could always say, we'd like for you to do an overlay, and these are the things that we want. So they do still have that per view just as they always have.

So is this something that could potentially turn, you know, double the timeline of something if if there's one person that has an issue with something that's going on?

From a staff processing perspective, we have this today with planning area district and with neighborhood density districts. So from our end, the only maybe timeline would be, like, the negotiation piece, but we it's about zoning process is four months. That's plenty of time to do negotiation. Theoretically, sure. It could always Okay. Be further negotiated with PNC and council, but every zoning change can and actually is if there's a restrictive covenant that has to first be directed by council, then there's negotiation. So this could actually start it earlier, and so maybe there's less time spent at the council because staff is trying to get ahead of it and say, hey.

Here's one

of those who.

Good.

That was one small bullet. Yeah. I'll just I'll speed through this for the sake of time. Bicycle parking, I know you all have looked at that. We added new bicycle parking and requirements on the shape of bicycle racks, which I think is a really big deal. We had no kind of structure there. So now if you put in a bike rack, it actually has to be fusible and useful for your bike and not scratch it up.

Treat big. Yeah. So

U racks. U

racks. TMP. Is that so is that should that how long has that been in place, or is that a

new thing? It's proposed in the development.

So it's it's a new thing. Because I was gonna say, like yeah.

We strongly suggest to the to the hey. Here's what some yeah.

I've seen some others that are not have yet not yet been installed, but are the old kind of like Yeah.

We can only strongly encourage. But now we'll actually have a a guide that says, here's what we want. It's really two points of contact, so you can always do something creative with you.

That's great.

TMP, again, I'm not gonna get into a ton of detail, but a whole master plan, which is trying to talk about the things that you guys identified with this one. Oh, proportionality, I will say this was, I think, one thing that you guys talked about in the past, but the TMP is gonna try to drill into rough proportionality a little bit, and that will give us a better understanding of, like, some clear guidance on what could we require developers to do in terms of off-site improvements and what can we not. We it's sort of great. It it's on a site by site basis, but it's a tough calculation. So we're that is one of the charges of that consultant.

So there is there a conversation there about ongoing maintenance responsibility for some of those improvements in terms of whether it's the city or an HOA or something like that that or, you know, like, sidewalks cutting between areas. I mean, there's there's always maintenance that has to be done on something, and I feel like it usually falls on the city and the taxpayer and not, you know, a neighborhood that should be taking care of its own infrastructure in a lot of ways. So I'm just curious if there's a conversation around that.

There has not with this item, but there have there is a ongoing conversation because the city has to pay to cut the grass, and that is expensive. And so we're trying to identify the different zones and places where we have to, you know, pay that, which is an entire line line item in the budget. But for the most part, developers are responsible or property owners are responsible for their property and the maintaining the grass either on either side of

the sidewalk. The the devil's shroom. Yeah.

The road.

Yeah. Yeah. And so that is in the city code. So that is in there, but there is still, you know, education and trying to sort of explain some of those things. There are some places, though, like boulevards and that sort of stuff where it's the city or with, like, a new neighborhood, let's say, like, Avista or Trace. Those are all in those subdivisions' agreements that that's their job to maintain.

So Okay.

It's a big always, like, an ongoing conversation with every neighborhood.

Have y'all kept in I know Denver's a big city, but have y'all kept up on what Denver's doing with sidewalks? No. They have essentially fully made them public because forcing property owners to do things was nuts and have an actual line item sidewalk part of their property taxes now Oh. To make up for the fact that they instead have to take credit. It started with a bond. So, like, a sidewalk bond that then became they had they then got the proof that people were willing to potentially raise their property taxes for better sidewalks, and it has since become a full public program.

So I

would check that out as part of Okay. This discussion.

That type of shimmering still

on the sidewalk?

Or is that because I know I've heard that too. I I have not heard about it with snow.

I think it was more of a maintenance thing, like, grass cutting, etcetera. And also just the lack thereof is that it was they were worried they were in a situation where if it was the neighborhood's job, the wealthy neighborhoods would have sidewalks and the four ones wouldn't. And so they were like, how do we make more sidewalks happen in an equitable manner? And it started with a sidewalk bond and then turned back.

I've heard in some I'm sorry. There's no point. I've heard in some some cities you'll find if you don't shovel.

This is

what your sidewalk brings. Yeah.

Yeah. I'll go into that. Last piece on this was transit development plan, which is the new term for the transit master plan. It started this summer. So that's another I'll make sure to plug you guys in for when those pieces start, but that is talking a lot about the the routes, stops, all those things.

Wait a minute. One PMP is changing names?

No. Totally different. Transit big transit master plan now, but it's called the transit development plan. They renamed it to, I think, align with the federal guidelines.

Every five years, the federal government the FDA requires the transit systems to do a transit development plan. What's cool about this one is the project the assistant project manager for the transit development plan is the project manager for the TMP. So they're, like They're they're actually coordinated for

the Beautiful.

Yeah. Okay. I think these were some of the same ones I put on that slide, but these were some of the piece the metrics that we're starting to drill down into. So increasing the linear feet of contiguous, know, sidewalks and bike lanes. We're having to do the same kind of running the same issues with bike lanes. There are two lines. They have gaps in the data for driveways. So there's just a lot of data work that has to be done. They're they're full. We could probably have an intern just work fully on one specific feature.

So we will work will make progress. It might be slow, but I will always report out what we've accomplished. Okay. I'm gonna scroll on. Housing action plan. We have identified this one as some disruption. This is our department with supporting, departments being neighborhood enhancement. This would be a single action item. So, currently, we have a vacancy in our department. The vacancy is impacting our ability to manage this plan.

So we're actively trying to fill that vacancy. This would be our housing coordinator, our housing manager, Carol Griffith. We have a vacancy underneath. So she's fully focused on CBBG right now, which we have to be focused on for dire straits, truly dire straits. So that is our biggest obstacle.

We just wanna be transparent and upfront about that. Does not mean that we are not moving forward to try to get direction on a few things. So we have been drilling into our 2019 housing needs assessment and how it what was the document that influenced the housing action plan. And we have had some concerns about really the outdated nature of that data. We did get direction from council to update what we could in the housing action plan, but what we can update is limited.

And we really would like direction on making sure that this plan is successful moving forward and that we don't start a plan with outdated data and it not necessarily be what our council or community wants. So we are looking to try to explore some options for filling in some of those gaps. So full staff led initiative, which would just be how I mentioned Carol and myself updating data with what we have available on census and some other resources. However, it would not include needs as, like, needs assessment. So that 2,000 the survey that was responded to by 2,000 different people and with a consultant who helped us drill into some of that data.

It would just be fully led, and so we wouldn't have that there. Option two is staff led. However, we would be able to budget. We would need to budget for a new housing needs assessment. That is just the housing needs component.

Option three would be having a consultant assist us like they did in the past, which is the housing needs assessment, the demographic and economic assessment, which was a big chunk of the housing needs assessment, and they also assisted us with recommendations. So, again, we wanna make sure we get direction before we move forward on potentially number one and maybe fail to meet what the community deserves, which is, you know, something that's based on current data. So we're kind of brainstorming how we, you know, do this. But, really, I think the biggest piece is we have a vacancy, and we're really not able to move forward on some of these pieces. We can still get some direction here, and that'll help us game plan.

We have public engagement with all three of them ready to go. The first would be fully staff led. But as we move to option two and three, all that menu kind

of gets beefed up. And the timeline gets beefed up? Yeah.

Oh, timeline would yeah. Well, it depends on, I suppose, how much we can do. The fully staff led would be quicker because we don't have the ability to update most of the data. So it would be quicker in that sense, but maybe quality would not be there. We would still roll in some community engagement, but we would rely on council to tell us what community engagement they're going to want us to do. We'll propose something, but we want again, we want to, I think, receive good direction before we move forward and wanna be successful with the project.

Awesome. Just an opportunity to delay. Mhmm. Whatever.

Well, it's it is in is in it is in delay.

Yes. You know, it's like

Wish we could just use something. I'd start it. I mean, it does kinda feel like all of these different documents have had as their first priority past this plan for so long that, like, what more public like, the only thing that more public engagement could cause is delay. Yeah. Potentially. Like Yeah. So when is and when is it going to cancel for direction?

We don't have a

Well, David, I mean,

we're talking through management a little bit too on what we wanna do on this because, again, some of it could could require some budgetary support. Now is it to the level of a high high number? Not necessarily. But then it's also a matter of shifting our problems. So all the other things we talked about, some things got to move to get it done in our current state. You know, we're gonna we're gonna manage hiring across our departments, so we have to really work through some

of that

too as well. So it's just you know, it's one of those things where we reprioritized. That should should personnel be the right place to go.

This Oh, sorry. No.

I was gonna say the number two option, the updated needs assessment, is that something that could be funded, like, in the next year, or is that something that it's just none of this is funded?

Yeah. We have zero pending for any

any So it's not for this year. None of this will happen this year.

Yeah. If if it were to happen, it would all be with staff personnel staff.

One is the only option to have in this year.

Yeah. Everything else would be we would need to ask for. We have zero we have zero money budgeted for projects in our department. So

it would be fiscal year twenty eight?

Yeah.

I definitely just Yeah. Yeah.

Which could be, again, direction.

Yeah. And if we do that, we'll we'll do our very best with it. You know, take it to for adoption.

Try

to address as many of the last concerns, which obviously was easier on the last one, but try to address as many of the concerns as we can.

And the good thing is we have recommendations.

Like We have recommendations.

We have a plan that could move forward. I

think they all still apply pretty uniformly.

Yeah. What if the priority wasn't past the plan but past the recommendations in the plan? Yeah. Right? Because we don't actually have to go through the whole planning process again if instead we just went to the recommendations of that plan and said these are the priorities.

Yeah. It could be an option too. Mhmm.

Because, I mean, also, like, lot

of those

recommendations, they're adjustments to things that already exist. And so it's you know, like, some of the, you know, zoning related things not doesn't mean that, like, suddenly, there's gonna be a bunch of housing. It's just like a change to the thing, and then it enables it. So I mean Yeah. Yeah. That's like a

Or something like that. Done, actually.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Allow accessory line units in all districts. I think it's one of them. We've actually already done

that. Yeah tenants' rights thing, which has already been done. Yeah.

And so that's again, we want to make sure that Like, reach out to you. Is, you know, on board with that route because they will be I mean, option one will be on the menu. So that way, we can also set up, hey. Well, we've adopted this plan with these recommendations. We'd like we would like to and deserve to have a new housing needs assessment. We're significantly overdue. So that could then be an update to see if things have changed. But every recommendation in there is still applicable from the staff perspective. We just wanna make sure we've got cancel buy in.

Because, yeah, I mean, the housing needs, sure, there's you have tons of extra money and time to go do it. But like you said, like, if everything still feels like the recommendations would likely be similar even if things were drastically different there. Minus there's five or I think

there's six recommendations that were removed, so we'd wanna focus on asking for direction through the process, whatever which one it is. You know? Hey. These were removed. The staff document had them. Right? So we need to really focus in on this was the staff recommendation for the planning. Is there any commission that removed with you? So that would be a a discussion point and action item through the plan process. You could just, like or we wouldn't recommend it just be adopted with the

Oh, yes. That never actually was stopped. Got it. Yeah.

Could there just be an option zero, though, that's, like, make progress on recommendations and not worry about the updating the data?

Wait. I mean, you should sort of. I just just be curious if that was not a point, you know, a contingency. Mhmm. Recommendations. But, you know, you're seven years and going on seven years past it down. The market's changed on that. You know, pandemic in the middle of it, our market shifted some respects. I you know, and it just as as Andrea said really from the director's seat that they were looking at is just making sure we're all feels okay with where we're gonna go and so we can make progress to the start. Mhmm. I understand as well. So all all all five notes of my understanding

is that I

almost said I felt it. But but but I think he's on point out, you know, well, it's it's near the top of our list.

She can hear that we're we're jaded and frustrated by this. Well That's

And if council needs impetus, it is in our option. Yeah. It

would. It's also identified as a strategic event. Yep. On its own.

Well, yeah, like you're saying, if you could go through, we've actually already done these things. Mhmm. And it would just be a matter of doing these few other things. Or, you know, I'm sure that more than with you. But, you know, these other things and and looking at them in that way instead of the housing action plan. Yes. Because that brought people from that way. But sometimes if you give them the actual detail and be like, oh, okay. Like, we could do this, and we could basically have implemented it. Yeah. Yeah.

I don't

know. Yeah. I understand, though, I'm navigating a lot there. But

And, you know, what you know, from I think from our role, we want the community to have a plan that they understand, that they, you know, were a part of. And so we're dealing with a lot of

kind of

timeline issues there. And so when you adopt something that no one has really seen or participated in, that's gonna lead to a less successful plan. And so we're trying to navigate the best strategy to do best planning and also, you know, achieve the plan and start using it. So I think that's kind of the challenge is that we really want that capsule direction. We want to cover a capsule.

Yeah.

Because I don't think there's the counterpoint of people who participate in that process feeling like if you do it again, what happened to all of our work?

Yeah. Great point. I think you're I think you two are broken photos in that plan with the sign.

You are breaking our shoes.

You're specifically holding a dog. And hold because I took all those dog. Holding dog at Railyard. And so you were at Railyard too.

Really tough stuff. I love dogs. I'm like, yes. I was just saying, I thought it's not I'm not precious.

Okay. Last two. These are both these are both the this this one is tax base and really more economic, local business development department. So this was protecting and prevent land uses to support target industries, diversification of the city's tax base, enhanced economic development by using tools such as potential infrastructure planning, recruitment, and land use entitlement process. So what's happening here, particularly with Helen kind of coming on board?

The first thing is the new economic and local business development department is connecting the first local business survey. So that's out right now, and we're collecting responses on it. The intent is for that data to assist in proposed modifications to economic development policy, which is adopted by council, and that's actually, again, kind of a smaller falling down into the other document that helps influence recommendations. And so that is a big thing ongoing. We have it on social.

You know, please share it. And if you have a business, you can or part of business, you can take that survey too. I will say kind of the more on the zoning and kind of finance department side, there's still an ongoing discussion on how to track private investments and fiscal impacts to the city. So, like, it's here as a line item, but it's also sort of a metric is, like, how do we track that and report out some of those metrics? And Helen and the team have been working on that really for, like, the past year, kind of picking that up.

And then also with Helen being on board, I think a better, you know, plug for zoning cases and the development process, that kind of partnership, I think, is is already super important. Just limited amount of time Helen's been here. So that's been really cool to come to to kinda see come to fruition. It's just, again, I think the collaboration of some of these things. Some of our metrics is to update the existing policy and then review the effectiveness of the current incentives.

So there are a lot of different incentives. So that's sort of drilling down into some of those pieces. I think this one was in your last packet, but cumulative increases in private capital investment, like I mentioned. And baseline wages, they add that into. It's, like, kind of tracking that over time. Any questions on that for the last one?

Did we kind of have an angle on this where we were trying to also and this was part of our discussion, but we were also trying to really emphasize, like, responsible land uses, infill, and missing middle, and density, and, you know, all the things that make your infrastructure provision a little bit more efficient. I don't I don't know if I'm getting much of a sense of that versus just, like, recruiting big projects here.

I think most oh, sorry. Go ahead.

Oh, no. I was no. Go ahead. I was done.

No. I think that I think the way I think developers, we we do steer them towards infill because it it saves money. Basically, they will save money if they're closer to a water or wastewater line versus extending it. We do we do not what the agreements I've seen, we do not incentivize running additional water lines or wastewater lines. I mean, they'd have to pay for it, so it's almost like a disincentive for them, unless it's aging and we really need to repair, and and they also want to kind of add capacity.

So I think one of the things that we is really important to our survey is, one, it's very, small business based. It's really local businesses. Are you expanding? How are you doing, if you wanna grow, ensuring that you're growing in our community? And and so a lot of the data that we're collecting right now is is that type of baseline data with respect to wages, with respect to how, developments are being have been approved in the past, and are they effective?

So a lot of that data, we don't necessarily have. And so, we are going to be using, actually, we've started already collecting data so that we have better informed decision making, right, with with our targeted industries, with with our development. There and there's also that question of why hasn't there been infill development? I know we have impervious coverage restrictions, which is good. However, how are how are developers do they see it?

Do they not understand it? Can we be more from an engineering perspective and public works, can can we can we educate them better so that they're not scared away from infill? Can we incentivize infill in some way or fashion? So those are the types of and we're not only talking about current to current business, businesses, but we're also looking at the development community in general who maybe maybe have not gone forward with the project or hesitant, regarding infill development. But I think that's that's I think that's definitely on our radar, and we are under trying to understand the obstacles and hopefully incentivizing, more density in infill development.

So so, yes, we can we can incentivize that in a way, versus trying to run new lines everywhere, and maybe not being the most sustainable in that in that regard.

Question on that. I know that a couple meetings ago there who knows actually how many meetings ago? There was a utility rate study and some discussion at least of potentially looking into that, like, San Antonio model of different rates for different locations. That's a little bit fiscal sustainability, but maybe also a little bit this of, like, we do actually, because we have municipal utility, have the capacity to say it is cheaper to hook up the same user in a green space off of Wonderworld than it is a mile down the road in off Redwood. So I don't know if that I feel like that study was under process, but it was targeted at customers, but I don't know if there's something happening.

I will check. Will I do remember us talking about that. Yeah. So we'll check with Richard.

I

I could say this also trying to remember the decision last time, but I guess it's also being, like, city, recently, incentivized above the off of $5.35. And, like, is that you know? I don't know. Like, the the the tax just talks about, like, economic development and I think it's all mixed in together, but trying to align incentives with some of this plan to use.

That's where the fiscal impact tool would be

really Right. That would be that would be useful too. But I yeah. These are those are kind of these two are kind of maybe similar. I don't know.

And I think we had them at some point, like, chunked together. So

chunked. Yeah. Yeah.

Think the economic development policy that we're working on, we are reviewing our current incentive incentives that we have. And so there may be some amendments to it where we would incentivize developing where infrastructure is already located or near transit oriented development or or those types of things. So we are looking at using economic development as an incentive to steer growth a certain way.

That'd be great.

K. Alright. Last one. Encourage developers to implement green building practices and conservation style development. So you all talked about supporting cluster conservation style development types that specifically augment the citywide greenbelt network.

And then you also talked about recommending the use of incentives, regulatory incentives to implement the policy. And then there was also conversation about it should be implemented into city projects or city capital projects. So couple things on this. And, Terry, I'm gonna let you kinda talk about the ICC stuff. So we kinda kicked off this conversation on the planning department side, and that is how to implement green building standards and kind of what we might do there from what we can control.

It might require study. Well, definitely, it would probably require staff study, potentially some consultant services to validate best practices, but, also, it could be just done incrementally through the building code updates. So we have kinda kicked off the conversation on adopting the International Green Construction Code. The building officials kind of looking into some of this stuff.

Yeah. It would be adopted. So at least we have it there. If it was a piece of an incentive package, roof you built to the you know, instead of your standard IRC, IBC, you built to this code standard, you know, some of that discussion with how long it's okay. If we want a little better product to incentivize, at least we have the code in place. Right? There as is your embedded version that will be the that version because they could utilize those circumstances. I don't I don't don't know that the hill will be making that the the building code for the city. That might that might take a bit. But, yeah, just but but at least at least it's there, you know, for free utilization.

And so I think that's, yeah, that's how we would at least start the approach on. And I've talked to the chief building officials. We start to anticipate the next cycle of COVID options, which maybe could be '27, calendar year '27 or starting those discussions, and that's when we would start to look at that and make it as part of the package of of codes adoption.

Mhmm. Yeah. I like the idea of incentivizing that, but not necessarily requiring it because it's just very costly. It's a very costly. Okay. Yeah. And there's there's other nonconstruction green practices like close proximity and walkability that are, you know, on the table for free already. Sure. Yes. Sure. So, anyway

also open up the possibility if there's a particular zone that folks are feeling uncomfortable about building in, like, say, Steve Allen, where you could say, on on this stretch, let's have development that'll do that. And that's in a place that you could actually afford a little.

And city council can draw districts or boundaries around certain areas that are mandatory green building areas. Austin Energy Green Building does offer single family grading in the seven counties surrounding Winston. So Hayes and so San Marcos is eligible for single family housing for an AEGB rating, but not multifamily or commercial, but single family is eligible. So it's it's another option aside from the IGC. And then having, I think we use the word, what do we mean, regulatory incentives instead of requirements.

But, like, one thing Austin's done is required affordable housing. Anyone who has an affordable housing incentive through the city, part of the stipulation of getting that as incentive is doing green building. So you must do green building if you get the affordable housing incentive. That's that's one way Austin pushes green building onto development requirements.

Like, adding cost to the most valuable housing.

But adding

Adding cost to the most valuable. So, like,

the people most that need don't have the lowest standard of housing. Yeah. That's like deliverable, affordable, lower utility bills and healthier Yeah.

The utility bill side of it. Mhmm. Yeah. Affordability side.

It's understanding what the delta is between IGCC and just the standard international residential code. Because each year of cycle, gets they get better. Yes. Mhmm. Right? The codes get more refined. Right. Products get better. So what's the difference in a home built in the standard versus the other? Whether that's home energy rating system or some other type of rating system.

Yeah. The IECC is slowly But,

anyway, that's one Eric Region McCartney. Then I I guess another point here I'll touch on Andrea real quickly is the we received direction of council to look at a deconstruction ordinance or an eco eco friendly demo ordinance where essentially we're allowing an opportunity for those who perceive or want to pursue the they they have to pursue a demolition permit that there's an opportunity for us to connect them with different nonprofits or whether it's, you know, our own programs to, give them additional time and maybe even some time to consider the the waiver of their fee or something for their for their permit to allow them time to get those products to be reused. There's actually some really good products. And some of these that are demoed, you see piloted things.

Yeah. Like, salvage program for reuse.

Yeah. And so Okay. What council directed us to do is to go forth and pursue a program. So we're working on some I'm working with neighborhood enhancement on maybe a pilot type program that we could run for about six months. It will be some type of incentive program, you know, for the for the fee waiver or something, work with management, neighborhood enhancement, legal to finalize. And then we'll try it. We'll bring back some I would propose we bring back some numbers on that, how it worked, how many of them utilized it, ways we could make better before we clarify something we'll file. But, anyway, that's everybody's fault.

That would be specifically for buildings that are on the historic preservation plan. Identify it, but that's just We

we would I would anticipate all the Right? Because, again, I think it works well for each very store, but, also, I think there's plenty of opportunity out there. And I think many of our nonprofit organizations that would utilize the program pretty quick. They get the opportunity to get those materials. I don't see it being a massive, you know, just a massive impact on timelines they've been through others. But our our job would be to connect them Mhmm. And to and help incentivize that patient.

That's cool. I know it can be really complicated versus, you know, just, like, sending it all up to a dumpster to the landfill versus that. I mean, that would be great if you got a way to that it makes sense or it's just,

you know Yes.

Requires. That's

like the, yeah, the project that we're all working through. It's like, what is it?

What does it mean? What

look like? And

How many would would take advantage of it? You don't know. It was it was just a kind of care approach with one stick.

And then Yeah.

You have to find the right magic thing and unlock that for people to be like,

oh, no. I'll do that. We did actually. Did it? It someone already did it. So Okay. It was the down at the Was it the funeral home? Yes. Right there at Little HGB. Yeah. So, you know, that was kind of helpful is that we kind of were able to try it out there. The D. Hore.

Okay. Okay. Yeah.

But it's, yeah, right near that. Yeah. Also, the just has a. So

so that hillside was done in that manner.

Yeah. Part

of I don't know that all of it matters, but they there was an opportunity for them to reuse some

of the

turret. Yes.

So And even some training. Like, our fire department was in there doing some fire training. That.

Yeah. Yeah.

There's just but, you know, there's a lot of legal pieces to it as well. So Yep. Just Yeah.

Legal's involved in this.

Yeah.

Liability waivers. But we have done we have certain templates for this. We use another. They have enhancement. Mhmm. Group uses. So I think there's an opportunity there to at least at least take the first step and from there, I want to go for it.

Mhmm.

And that was actually you know, the bullet above is we did adopt the historic preservation plan in February. So that's a whole other plan with tons of action items we're trying to chip away at, and this was actually recommended. This program we're starting was actually recommended in the HIV. So we're able to kind of connect it up connect it over. And it, you know, fits well under this strategy, which is much broader, you know, just green building practices in general.

The historic preservation plan also has other specific recommendations on kind of building and reuse. So finding ways to kind of game plan, you know, what it would take to implement some of those and the process and whether we need, you know, to request, you know, funding for some of those incentives from council. And I didn't add on here the we've already kinda talked about the conservation, the planning area changes, which is one of our zoning districts in the development code, but, hopefully, that will also get us closer to the broader topic of conservation cluster style development. I talked about that a lot in the past. I've been quite listed here, but it's one of the big things coming out of the development code that I think if folks are choosing that district, there's something a little bit more there to conserve, you know, in some cases, 50% of the property.

That's yeah. Because that's the bare minimum for true

Mhmm.

That's what I've always heard, you know, understood. It's, like, 50% minimum stuff. Mhmm. If you wanna call cluster development.

Yeah. So that's

the threshold. Right?

Like, little villages with your kid's son?

I guess, yeah,

they can go a lot of different ways.

I don't know. But No.

Like, for all grains for all?

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hopefully.

Yeah. Hopefully, they're along the trail network so that they

Yeah. A little more.

Yeah. Mhmm.

Just a couple of metrics. So we want to increase the number of folks who are zoning to our planning areas, zoning districts, and also our city districts. But, really, we once we have the development code, we hope to really use it when people come to the table to do things. We're gonna say, hey. You're in this particular part of our preferred scenario map. This is what we're going to recommend as a plan in your district. So we have that ability at the front to push people towards that district, so we hope to see more of those zoning changes. We also kinda talked a little bit with our building official of creating kind of a green building practices toolkit. So what would that look like? What's, you know, useful?

And maybe it's not, like, regulatory things, but just here's a resource that you can use. So that's kind of a low hanging fruit, but we just take time to think through that. And then, of course, adopting that deconstruction ordinance and then probably some of the tracking Tara was mentioning to see if it's successful. And then, yeah, here's that conservation cluster open space district. We wanna see more of that. We wanna see something zoned every single year that's moving forward or at least be able to also include it in development agreements as well, which is kind of another tool that we have.

Is there a minimum acreage for planting areas? I

don't don't think so.

But they're kind of intended for larger Yeah. I think what would be because, I mean, this this poll in particular is talking about, like, the very microbe down to the building itself and, like, you know, the building systems integrated in a building to the, like, a large plan area district that's, you know, how it ties into the Green Belt. Oh. And so some of these just being, like, more specific with the number of property owner requests for zoning changes to planning areas, zoning districts just so it's clear that that would be for, like, larger tracts of land. You know?

Or and, you know, just because it's easy to do this because we're bouncing back and forth between the very, like, micro macro scale of it. They divide it even into Building scale. Yes. Building scale. Yeah. Because I think these are you it's easy kind of to lose sight of one end of that spectrum or you know?

Yeah. That could be a way also just to break down the dashboard because this is just Yeah. In your own for Yeah. How we look at that. So that could be pretty easy to to break down.

Yeah. This one, yeah, this one could easily be too well, it's two two actions. Because I think we we played with that because we were we were coming at it from different angles as well during that initial conversation. So just trying to make that more Yeah.

Any other questions on August on this one?

Is there anything on this one that might be, like I guess there's the the trails master plan, and then there's, like, the Great Springs project as it's going through. Like, it with some of these and that kind of conservation style development and kind of, like, tying into the green belt idea if there's any aspect of that that, you know, ties some of these metrics back to, like, a a plan of sorts. I don't know if that

I think on the macro scale, we could talk I mean, because the specific piece here was, are, you know, are we getting plan miraDistricts along the TMP identified Greenway's master plan? Right? Which is one of your plans.

What I meant. Yes. Yeah.

So I think that would be interesting is, like, where are we getting where are the planners coming online? Which, of course, they're always gonna just be driven by who comes to