Historical & Landmarks Commission - Regular Meeting

Where you start? I'm gonna start. Okay. It is now called to order a historical landmarks commission meeting of 11/06/2025 at 06:02PM. First order of business is roll call. Vice chair of stocks?

Here.

Commissioner Vargas Smith? Commissioner Romano?

Here.

Commissioner Celso?

Here.

Commissioner Sinciarte? Here. Commissioner Farchnay? And I am chair Lang. We are at full commission today.

So? Okay.

Next order of business is continuances and exceptions. Depart this part of the meeting allows for applicants, members of public, or other interested parties to request an item to be, one, continue without hearing, two, withdrawn, or three, taken out of order. Are there any requests for applicants public or the commission for continuance or exception for any of the items we have on tonight's agenda? Seeing none. Oh, nobody online.

Actually, Leslie online. We don't have anybody else, like, here or online. So the next item we have is consent calendar. The procedure for a consent calendar is as follows. Consent calendar items may be enacted, approved, or adopted by one motion unless requested to be removed by anyone for discussion or explanation.

If any member of the Historical and Landmarks Commission staff, the applicant, or a member of the public wishes to comment on a consent calendar item or would like the item to be heard on a regular agenda, make this request now. The item listed on the consent calendar with associated file number constitute public hearing items. The following items on today's consent calendar, we only have the meeting minutes of 10/02/2025, and I will say that I will abstain from this item because I was not present.

So

I'm okay. Yeah. Do I have a do I have a motion to adopt the consent calendar? Any questions or comments anybody would like to pull anything to discuss?

I move to accept the consent calendar.

Thank you. We have a motion. Do we have a second?

I second the motion.

Second. I have a second. Those are in favor, say aye.

Aye. Aye. Aye. Opposed?

Abstain. I got one abstain. Thank you. And then next, we have public presentations. Are there any members of the public that would like to briefly address the commission on any items that's not on the agenda?

We do not have any members of the public in chamber. We don't do not have other members of the public in the Zoom room either.

K.

So we'll move on. Public hearing. So we don't have any applicants for, like, any applications tonight, but, like, we do have two items that we did, agendize. So we're moving on to these items. So item two is RCC twenty five's fifteen fifty seven, a recap of the CPF conference from May 2025. I now defer to the presenter.

Yeah. Is there a way for me to put my slides up, or what's the best way to

do it? You're on Zoom. No. I'm not. I can get on Zoom. I never get on? One second, please.

No. I just

go. Oh. Yeah.

Yeah. Because otherwise, it's

Presentation from commissioner Romano tonight.

Hello, everybody.

Okay. So I apologize that this has taken six months to get around, but I just kept either not getting on the agenda or not getting to it. So I wanted to give a quick update of the things that I experienced at the, conference for the, the California Preservation Foundation conference in May in Sacramento that I attended with commissioner Vergas Smith and commission Cearth. Jeez. I just blanked out.

I'm so sorry, Yvonne. Okay. And so, the one that hit me the most that I was nearest and dearest to my heart was, the discussion on historic districts. And there were many different municipalities that came and spoke at all different points in their process. Some were brand new and just trying to figure out how many historic resources they even had.

Some were kinda in the middle like we are and thinking about maybe doing districts, and we have a process in place of our inventory. And then kind of the gold star was Sacramento. So I decided to choose them as kind of a north star of all the things you could see that they did. Doesn't mean that it's necessary everything that we want to do, but it's a I thought it had a good approach of using all the levers that they could pull to, get to where they wanted to go. So don't don't why are you not advancing.

There we go. So the key learnings, there were three key points that I where are my glasses? That I really wanted to share that I found the most interesting is, one, that the districts were used to define everything, and that includes things that are not historic. So it was very clear. And that that meant by just defining everything district and that not everything in the district is historic, you did not need 100% participation from the property owners.

It's just a definition. So this in the years being here before, it's always been like, oh, you'll never get a district because you only define in Santa Clara those properties that are on the inventory, and you gotta get everybody's buy in, and that's very difficult. If you do it in this approach, it doesn't matter. You still wanna get buy in. You still want the community to come, and you'll actually find that people that are already on MILZACs or on the inventory are very much for it.

And then the ones that don't contribute, it doesn't really apply as much to them. They're already within our 200 foot space anyway. It just gives a better framework to go from. The second one was that by defining the districts and defining a lot of the preservation information upfront, you can really save on applicant costs. And that's both fees from the city because they don't have to come in front of HLC and planning as much if they follow the guidelines upfront.

It's an over the counter approach. And costs for them in time. Right? It's a long process to get through. Then and that kinda goes to the third one, which is it allows you as a city and as a, HLC to balance preservation with also meeting all the laws that are coming out at the state level for things like, state permit streamlining act. They're really asking us to, asking all the cities and municipalities to lower the make the permitting process more efficient. They want more housing. They want more buildings. They want more ADUs to be put in place. Right?

We have that now. And there's, a lot of ways you can do that and pull those in upfront so that you already have defined what you want for historic resources to meet the state of interior standards. Right? And it it kinda goes hand in hand, Commissioner Vargas Smith, with what you did for the form based for the downtown plant, Kind of a similar approach. Put it up front. Everybody knows about it, and then it's much more streamlined as, applicants come through.

May I ask? Do they have a Mills Act?

Yes. They do do Mills Acts. I'll get into how that works.

Yeah. Okay.

No. Go ahead. Did you I

was I was wondering how it lit fit became some of this. So you probably

Yeah. So it fits into that defining everything part. There are properties that they just call them landmarks. They don't call them historic resource inventory properties. Every if it has a MILZAC and it's considered a historic resource, they just refer to it as a contributing landmark that contributes to the district.

Then if there's a, kinda get into that, go through who they are and how they got how this came about, and then I'll come back to that. So they were given Sacramento was given the 2020 award by the CPF. And based on their historic research I'll just go through this quickly. And the comprehensive survey they did for each district, individual historic context for each district, significance evaluations, periods of significance updates, a lot of updates. That's what a lot of the work, and lists of character defining features and an inventory, and this is the key part, contributing and noncontributing resources.

They defined what that meant and assigned that type to each property in the district. So it was very clear. They were prepared, and they used that information with the secretary of interior standards, public input, design standards, con you know, common to all the Sacramento districts. They saw there are design standards that go across all the districts. They have 30 districts, and then each district has a very small piece that's just for them.

And then, additionally, they, customize those standards for each one. So how did they go about this? Right? So one plan does not fit all. Like I said, they had unique, a brief historic context, literally a paragraph, maybe half a page for each district, very simple and straightforward to identify it, and its context, significance, and what period.

Very straightforward. It's they were pulling them off of DPRs and visual studies. Then each of those areas had its own, physical boundaries that they defined, and, I'll go into that a little bit more in a second. And then, each resource had to be identified as either contributing or noncontributing so that it was very clear as to where they stood within the district and what rules they would be, pursuant to. Right? So that's where the Mills Act comes in. If they are contributing, a Mills Act can apply. They have more of the rules that we would normally do for our our code, for our preservation code. The non contributing, think of those as, like, the ones that are there but in the 200 feet. Right?

This just calls them out and makes it very clear. So if a new buyer comes in and says, hey. Is my house historic? Someone may say, no. It's not. But you are a noncontributing property in a historic district. Well, what does that mean? Here's the guide. Right? So it's kind of it's very prescriptive and upfront.

And then the last one for that unique preservation, again, there is part of that district plan that has its own context, has very specific form bases and rules and suggestions and guidance that they've written up for the public that's specific to each little district. A district can be tiny. Right? If you think about, we have the one little strip of the four houses that are documented in the, Library of Congress, Harrison Street. Thank you. That could be a district that represents a certain point in time. Or, like, when we were looking at all the homes that were built by, the workers for the canneries. Right? That could be its own little district. Right?

So it's it goes along with what Lori Garcia has said and kinda what we do. It it just kinda formalizes it, and it was nice to see it. I wasn't familiar how this works, so I found this fascinating to learn how they pulled it all together to make it clear. Hi.

I have a question. So the noncontributing resources in the district Mhmm. If they're not within 200 feet of a historic resource, for example, are there any restrictions on what they can and can't do with their property?

Yes. There are because they don't use the 200 foot rule that's in our code. Right? So what they did is they actually said this section bounded by these streets, we've marked off which ones are contributing, which ones are not. We we kinda have that on the map, Rebecca, the the interactive map that we have. Right? Is that Argus or I forget what it's called. Yeah. The one, the map that you can go through and pick out all the properties and then it shows you which is the 200. They actually drew that out and said, of how far away you are, we've determined the significance of this area bounded by these streets is is a district, not the inventory that's inside it.

Then once they figure out that that district should be preserved for significance, they then go property by property to property and decide if it's contributing or noncontributing.

So if it's noncontributing, then there's no restriction?

There are some. Are some. Because there's general ones for the district.

Mhmm.

Can't be bigger than the one next to you. Kind of our massing rules. It kind of

Right.

Because it follows the Secretary of Interior standards. So there still are rules, but it doesn't follow it doesn't have a Mills Act. It can't, be on the inventory because it's non contributing. It's already been identified as a non as a non resource. But it's still however we would revamp our preservation code, we could incorporate that 200 feet or say that just because it's in the district, it therefore has to follow these five rules that we've identified as important to maintaining the ebb and flow of the street, the, you know, the massing of each house, you know, where we've had those come before us where someone's demolished a house that can't be saved, and then they build something that just doesn't fit in, and we spend several meetings going over with them trying to explain it.

This would represent that upfront.

And then in this structure, does the city council ultimately have the final say? Let's say if someone brings a proposal for a new building, say they're gonna demolish a structure that's no longer habitable or something, then, you know, in in that context would be historic and historical landmarks commission in Sacramento, for example, be an advisory board. And then, like, ultimately, they could say, no. This is not at all consistent with the, you know, fabric of the neighborhood. We totally disagree with this plan. And then, ultimately, though, it's up to the city council to approve or deny the plan.

So, basically, this puts a step in front of that. This says, here's the design guides that for the historic district. New builder where you've where something has been torn down and you wanna build in that district, you have to meet these guidelines. If they meet all the guidelines, we have already approved the guidelines ahead of time. We say, if you meet these guidelines, you're okay. Then it can be approved over the counter. If they don't meet all the guidelines, then it comes in front of us. So Okay. It makes it faster for them. They don't have to pay for it. It makes it so that we can focus on context statements and determining what historic is and and doing all that work up front. Right? And then, not constantly having people come in front. They're learning as they're going.

Yeah.

Right? Yeah. But we have we would have to be very prescriptive in what those guides are, and they are. I'll give you some examples here. I'll show it's like a 400 page document.

Wow.

Yeah. It took four years. Jeez. Took them four years to build it. Now Sacramento is huge and has 30 districts. Mhmm. And, you know, it it it was very extensive, and that's why they got the award. They did a fantastic job. And, commissioner Vargas Smith and I got to go. Part of it was a presentation, and then we actually got to walk through the, planning director with his staff and go through four or five we went through several districts. Yeah. And it was fantastic because we really got to, see how it applied. They would pick pieces out of the design guide. Like, here's they have a lot of alleys. We have three.

Right? They have common alleys. So they had a whole section just on alleys for historic and that they had, things like they they wanted to make sure that they were walkable, safe at night. If people built ADUs, were there lighting so that it lit up where the cars were parking? They had a lot of different things to think about, not just preserving the main building.

There were rules about how big could the ADB you be next to the building and so on and next to the other buildings down the street, but they had a lot even trees, mature trees on the parking strip were considered part of the historic landscape. Now we have a city guide city design guide that talks about landscaping, but it's not in a historic context. So it's almost like we need to take the city design guide and use that as a great guide and then build in the historic piece for each section. Right now, in our design guide, it it simply says, if it's historic, revert, you know, back to our preservation code. That's all it says.

So there's no guidelines. Right? Yeah. So it was it was fast. I think, like, we're a good section of the way there. I think there's just things that we could pick and choose what's cost effective, most time effective things that we could do to kind of beef it up a bit if we did wanna move towards districts. So, here's an example of districts define everything. Thank you. So across those four areas of the context, they did multiple and simple approaches to their context statements. First, they looked at where did they already have DPRs and MILZACs.

Let's start with what we have. If they identified, properties that didn't have anything, they would have someone go out and do a visual, review, and they would also if if if it was something they thought that it might need more, there was a they would indicate those property addresses as we're gonna do more research on those. But at least they had a plan for the plan. Right? And they kinda figured it out.

Then for the like I said, on the boundaries, as I said, it's not just the current inventory. They didn't just pick all the houses with Mills Acts and draw a box around those. They did the research on the area based on the DPRs and the historians and so on and said, oh, that's actually this section, and it kinda jugs out to the left or whatever it is and says we need to include that. Even if there's no historic properties anymore, we can say this is part of that district. And then from the ordinances, they, this was the biggest one, and I picked all of these out of the plan of the company that they used to do this, and these were the four deliverables that they had.

So they would go back through and looked at terminology that was in their preservation code, things for appropriateness, you know, a vague possible, you know, all these kind of just random terms that we look at our preservation code and we go, oh, what does that mean? Right? And they they made a definition of it's either contributing or it's not. And this is how it's decided, and you either get one designation or not. And that's it.

And then there's the rules based for each. And then the guidelines, they published published this big city design guideline similar to a regular design guideline, but strictly for the historic, and it actually include, form based rules for ADUs. So if we look at some of these, here's an example of just one page from the 430 page plan. I just picked it out because I liked all the pictures. I liked all the diagrams. Like, the planning director, like, was showing all kinds of stuff. I took screenshots of so many things he was showing, but they even give, like, don't do this. Do this. So in this example, this is all about massing. Right?

And that your massing, has to be comparable to the other homes around you. So the top one is a no no. It's got a big x on it. They try to make it as clear as possible with some guidelines of, like, you know, new new buildings should be understanding of their context, have you know, and what the character defining features are, examples, of resources that strongly contribute to the historic district. Look at those rather than noncontributors when you're making your design and so on.

And it just kinda goes through, and it's in very layman's terms, easy way to go and see what you could do. And then on the bottom one, all the ones that had a green check as a good example were actual examples from around the city. So, like, the one at the bottom, that's actually an what does it say along the bottom there? I don't know if I can see it because I've got a little thing in the way. I think it says, in addition, the height and massing scale and form of a brand new house is compatible with the historic houses on either side. So they have no problem with infill at all as long as it's done to conforming. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Here's another example.

These were the character defining features of the California Mansions District. This was oh, this these were the pretty ones. We gotten to go see all the big fancy buildings. Right? It was really cool. And so they were very specific. Like, what like, when you our preservation code's about says don't, you know, don't change character defining features. But what is that? Right? So this is it's a very clear guide, and it always has disclaimers on all of them that each home could have a slightly different you know?

I think you have to provide pictures and still do DPRs, and none of that changes. It's all just done at the counter as much as possible. So I put in the references here. I'll send this out to everybody so you have the links, and you can see, this number two is probably interesting because it's the proposal of the company that did it and what their deliverables were and what they were gonna do. Number three was the standards across all that first slide I show of the massing within the neighborhood.

That was from the standard page that applied to all districts. And then the third one, like, I go into this for example, if I open this up, here's the historic mansions. And each one will, describe the boundaries, where it's, enclosed by. It in gives out some basic features of why, what to look for in that area, such as mature trees, civic and institutional commercial buildings are included. It's not just residential.

And then it'll go into a brief, very brief historic context. That's it. It doesn't need to be much. And then it goes into significance, why is it important, the period of when it was built, what it's from 1874 to 1939 for this particular area. It may not be very large. Right? It's I think this was just one street. And then the character defining features, there's the boundaries. Oh, okay. This was a little bit bigger, but not much. They were mostly on I don't know. Can you see my mouse there? They were most that was Capitol. Yeah. They were mostly on there, and then there were some backed up through it. We walked all over there. We got our steps in. Yeah. And see how it's it's kinda funky too. Right?

It's not just everything. So I I found it really interesting. And then they give, guides. So here's an example of more guides. Right? The massing and the height and so on. And it's specific to that area. So I'm may I'm sure probably every city does this. They had some interesting things. One, this was too cute. We saw a lot of these. It's the original steps for getting in and out of your carriage. We preserved them. It was really neat. It was really kinda cool. There were things I wouldn't like, we have there's a couple horse hitching posts in the old quad that are preserved. So that kind of thing. Right? So that's kinda neat. I'm like, oh, that's neat.

You know? And then specific diagrams of how if you built an ADU that was facing an alley, what does it mean for each property around it, and how does it fit the the spacing they expect for each one? We actually looked at examples. Now, personally, I thought their massing was much bigger than I than we do. It was. Right? Some of those alley facing new buildings were big, like a 150% of the historic property. But because it was so it was a really, really, really long lots. Yeah. And they were pushed up against the edge of the alley, and the alley was on the other side of it was commercial buildings.

So they were building, accessory dwelling units that were an apartment on the bottom and then or an apartment on the top, and the bottom was commercial to go with the commercial across the alley. So they allowed those to go bigger because they were dual purpose.

Kinda interesting. That's it. That's all I have. I

don't remember either. He didn't really get into that. We'd have to look because I know I I've seen houses that have come by that the HLC has said you're not a resource, and then they've gone out and done their own research and done their own thing and proven that it should have been a resource and come back. So I don't see why you couldn't change it, why you couldn't come to the commission to get it changed. Right? And I'm sure with commit you know, community input, we would have to notice everybody and, you know, I mean, there's there's a lot that goes into it, right, and get feedback. And and they found that once they put out the proposal that they wanted to start doing this, there was a lot of community involvement. They were really into it. They're very excited about it.

The becomes less

Can I ask two questions? Do they have a bigger commission than ours?

It's great.

I think it was to commissioner Vargas' point, it was more focused. So it wasn't so much as public hearings and that sort of thing because most of it was able to be done over counter. It was more defining context, updating plans, looking for strategy. What what did they want to keep going? You know, the the stuff that's longer and harder.

Then second question, how much of this city how much does the city do on the signing of contributing and noncontributing, or is that all done by the commission?

I don't think it was done by the commission. I think it was done by the company that they hired to put the plans in place. Right? Then it has to be reviewed, and it and then it was you had to go to council, and council unanimously, like, accepted it. Right? So they came back. There's, a hope I think one of the first links on there, that first one that says goes with the proposal talks about the process they went through, what they would deliver, what the documents that would come out of it, what was defined as what, and then and then commission had to approve it, and then it had to

go to council for approval. Very cool presentation.

Yeah. Thank you.

It was a really quick presentation. Thank you. Actually, like, has a lot more context than I I expected. Like, what's going to be in there? And it's I know. I mean yeah. And, like, that was, like, really well explained, so thank you. I guess question for Rebecca. Like, I know on our work plan, we did talk about context statements and all that stuff. So is this something that we can kinda put in there and as as a rep as a path to do, like, contact statements and districting and stuff like that? Is this something that try to move forward, like, within our capacity?

Yeah. I'd be interested to look. I think you had it on your resources page, but the proposal that the consultant prepared Yeah. It's a wonder if the it's a wonder if the cost information is available, although this would be kind of several years old at this point. I don't

I didn't read the whole thing. It was so large, but I'm sure if it it's in there. And then, also, the the director at Sacramento was, like, if anybody else needs advice and needs help or needs references or whatever, they were more than willing to help out. So if that's something we could look at and then I have no idea how to get started, but somewhere we could you know?

Yeah. The challenge with how they approved the work plan was that so you you weren't able well, you didn't speak to it, or you it was on consent. So it's hard to say whether I mean, it's not hard to say. They didn't give you any funds to do the work. So we'd have to look at what you have remaining in your budget and then go from there. Should be around there. Yeah.

Yeah. I mean, we we do still have, like, that little pool of fun, I think. We should look at cost to figure out, like, how to get it started because it sounds like a lot of it would be, like, the start of framing on, like, how to update our ordinance and then, like, having, like, a framework to add districts and updates and stuff like that. So maybe we can start there, figure out

And I'm not sure, Leslie, if you're still What the amount is where you have to go out for an RFP versus just, you know, hiring.

So council approved our work plan but didn't give any funds to do it.

There was no discussion. Go ahead, Leslie.

I believe the amount is $15,000 to not have to go get a competitive, process, but we can confirm that.

And, Leslie, the work plans were approved without discussion, I believe. Correct?

They were. That's correct. Yeah. So we don't know if the council will look at these and put any of these items, like, on their priority setting. I'm not really sure how all of that is gonna go moving forward since this is a new process.

So this actually also circles back, like, the work plan. Like, since they approved it, then, like, with no budget. Yeah. How what do we do, like, with it? Because, like, I think some of it, like, does have items that will cost money, but, like, you know, we do have, like, some funds from, you know, that pool that we got that we can use. So, you know, within the capacity that we're in currently, like, how do we kinda push some of these initiatives forward since it's approved by council?

That's a good question, and I think we can we can do some research and and find that out for you guys. You're not gonna be the only commission, I think, in in this situation.

Not the only person in my household in this situation.

Yeah. So,

Leslie, some 90,000 way back to that, or does that go through the council?

I'm sorry. I could not hear anything Anna just said.

So the 90,000 that they found for HLC, if we wanna tap into that for the 15,000 or in increments, does it have to go in front of the council every single time we wanna access some of that money?

I don't think so. I think you can just use that money. It's just in the matter of how much the contract is for with the vendor. That that's what makes it go in front of council or whether it needs a competitive process.

Thank you.

Yeah. As a ballpark, the proposal says that and this was back in 2018, so it was some time ago. But to do 30 historic district plans, they had a not to exceed budget of $250,000.

That seems very low to me. Yeah.

Like I said, they did very brief, worked off the the data that was already there. There was when you look through it, there there weren't many where they did a lot of diving deeper. What firm was it? It was Page and Turnbull. And it couldn't ex it and it also had and then it also covered it had to be done within so many I think it was the four years and months after that, then they'd start a new contract.

Did the city oh, sorry. Did the commission have a historian or something? Did they did they get into that detail?

Didn't talk about that.

Sounds like they're pulling stuff on a DPR and compiler together. That seems cheap for a patient Turnbull.

$250. 50.

Yeah. Still. For 30 districts.

So we can follow-up with the expectation on how we're to implement the work plans.

Okay. Because, like, this would be lumped into or the work plan.

Yeah. Yeah. Definitely.

Because it

is really, like, context for each district that we're gonna have. Okay. Like, appreciate it that that you guys can do the research to figure out what we're gonna do with this. But, yeah, I think I think this is, like, a really good path forward because it sounds like a really good model that we can follow, something to push forward. Because I I think having, like, a more streamlined counter process is actually gonna be good for everybody, like, once we get this going because, like, you know, people don't have to pay, like, as much, like, to come in, like, for for for our process if they're just following the guidelines and, like, go into and and follow the district rules.

And then, yeah, it'll be it'll be faster for everybody.

So cool. Thank you. Sure. Any other questions?

Mind sending the PDFs to all the other commissioners? The PDF I sent last night that has all these slides.

Oh, sorry. I thought Elizabeth had forwarded it out. She didn't Oh, didn't see that. Not? Or maybe she did.

I have a copy of I

only sent it to in Chair and vice chair.

Okay. Yes. I can forward it out. Apologies.

I think the other one was Laurie's letter. That's what she sent. Yeah.

Very cool.

Yeah. So okay. So I don't think we have any public comments, we can move on to the next item unless there's any other discussions. Yeah. Okay. Cool. Next item we have on our list is RTC 251558 potential landmark designation for you're gonna have to correct me. Tibierco Vasquez gravesite.

Yeah. Okay.

Cool. So where are so what are we doing with this?

Let's see.

So, commissioner Insiarte, I think the floor is yours on this one.

Okay. So I didn't really present prepare a presentation, but this is why I wanted to check with our historian, our city historian, Lori Garcia, which I think everyone got a chance to take a glance at the letter. And, basically, what I you know, I I was kind of looking into things in Santa Clara and thinking, you know, we we can do a lot more and start putting landmarks. Usually, we have, you know, like, somebody here that has, like, a they just bought a property, you know, historic preservation, that kind of thing. But one thing that crossed my mind is and I'll be frank just kind of mention, like, a personal side for me when like, an anecdote.

When I was a child, I we lived in Castroville before I came to Santa Clara and just grew up over. I came here in first grade. But I would cry every time we would drive on 101 and come to Santa Clara once we started to make the move. And but I was really into Batman. And the only way to get me to stop crying is my older brother would tell me the airport lights were Batman's you know, it's it's leads to bat the bat cave, and so I would stop crying.

And so so, anyways, fast forward to today. I knew about Batman being inspired by the fictional character of and and that's a fictional character as well. From Zoro, Zoro is a fictional character that was created off of the actual persons of Joaquin Murrieta, which is more of a Southern California character, and Tiburso Vasquez. And lo and behold, we have him buried in our cemetery here at the Santa Clara Mission Cemetery. The only thing is there's no landmark there.

And although it's it's there's controversy to as to why maybe he never received the landmark. And you know? But it's a part of history. It's a part of history for California and, really, The US. We have this character that's been built, and we constantly see new Batman movies being displayed, and they're making millions.

And so it's it's just telling of a time. It's it's a historical context as to how California came to be and whether people are for this character or against it, it's just telling of a time, and it's something that we should have and preserve. It's part of California history. You have the the Vasquez National. They're, like, some rocks, some caves where he used to hide away from the current law at the time.

And Star Trek has been filmed in that area. But the thing that we don't we don't really see anything here in this area where where, you know, we're mentioning. This was a Californian before it was US. We have a mention of Mexican American war, but there's no sign of who were these Mexicans beforehand. And so I I think it's something relevant to tell.

It's telling of that Wild West story that and there's so many games nowadays where we have, like, an NVIDIA here. It's we're in tech, a lot of gaming happens. There's telling of a Wild West story, but this was a actual Wild West story. And so yeah. And I and I I really appreciate Laurie Garcia having presented the letter to us.

I don't know. Maybe I should read a little bit about it, or or anyone have any comments, questions? Anyone in favor of of making this gravesite a landmark. We do have many visitors that go to that gravesite. And I've I've also seen YouTube videos where people go there, and they're they're actually discussing who this character was and the fact that there's nothing no plaque, no nothing written there, just a basic date. And so so, yeah, if anyone haven't has any comments.

It it really doesn't share enough information in the letter about his life other than he was some highlights, basically. So I was just curious. I mean, it's like he was 11. He was romantic. He was a dancer, and then he got hung. It seems like there should be more content so that we could make a better decision.

Okay. I'd be willing to have us dig deeper into being able to define what we want it to be and what we wanna present because there's a lot online about them. When I started searching for it, it's like there were TV shows, and there's, like, health centers named after them up and down the the Bay. I mean so, yeah, I'd be interested. Anyone anyone else?

I agree that in this description, it's not mentioned that how many how how he's regarded in the community currently. So something because only you mentioned that people visit his graveyard. So I think it can be more detailed, and then we can

move. I

think it makes sense. I you know, all I think it's the logistics. I'm like, you know, what do we need to do to get the designation for, like, the the site? Because, like, you know, our normal course of, like, designating, like, a a property or something like that, owner has to do it, but, like, we're talking about a spot in in the cemetery. Like, you know, within our capacity, how do we do a designation? And then, like, how do we get, like, information out there? Where do we log those?

So per the historic preservation ordinance, the commission can nominate something, I guess, something Something. For designation on the historic resource inventory. Mhmm. Well, I'm not clear on, and I'll have to do some research myself. Because in this instance, obviously, we won't be doing a DPR that shows you know, lays out the history of the site. And so I'm wondering what would satisfy that in this case.

I'm wondering if there's maybe if maybe I should make a motion to maybe direct staff to do a comprehensive report so that we can, you know, have the information ahead and then make a motion to approve that in case anyone feels that we don't have enough information to go ahead with that with giving it a landmark.

So I don't really have the expertise or capacity to do that sort of analysis. So I guess we have a couple options we could ask Laurie Garcia to expand. Obviously, it would be a volunteer effort on her part, but to expand her description of his life. Alternatively, I don't know that we could, like, hire a consultant to prepare something like we typically would. They're

unusual instance. I guess a a DPR wouldn't apply, would it?

Because Yeah.

It's not the same.

Yeah.

I mean, I guess that was my question, like, really, like, at the root of it. Like, logistically, like, who do we have to ask and to figure out why how to do this? Mhmm. Because it it you know, it's we can't be, like, the only ones doing trying to do this. Right?

No. And I did look at the HRI, and there's another gravesite on there. Right. I don't know if that was just, you know, put on there when the general plan was adopted or if they actually went through a process. So I can do some research on that.

Okay. I think Forgetting

who's grave it was. It's

like a a well known Santa Clara settler developer or something.

Okay.

I think it would be good, like, if we need to get that process clarified because I think we're all for, like, doing this for this particular one. We just don't know how.

Yeah. So that

that'll be cool if you if you can take that on and kinda figure out, like, the the process of doing it, and then we can kinda continue to push on this effort.

Yeah. Agree.

And then I'm sure, like, once we kinda get one going and then we have this process established, we'll end up with more, actually. So we'll have to see, like, what how do how to work that.

Start issuing plaques.

Putting plaques that we're actually, like, issuing ourselves instead of being requested.

I know. It's gonna

eat into our $90,000.

I I do I do like that it gives us the ability to personalize things in Santa Clara way because kind of going back to what commissioner Romano was indicating is that we need to personalize history in a Santa Clara way and not just wait on everyone else's, you know, definitions or their tactic.

Yeah. I think this fits in well with what we've talked about in our work plan in general of education, about Santa Clara history. We've talked about, you know, walking tours and that sort of thing. I think this fits right in with that. We just need to figure out how we do it. Mhmm. Be interesting to see how they did that other grave that's on the the HRI. I didn't realize it was on there. And and there's a lot of things that we could do. I mean, as soon as I saw that, I was like, oh, what about, you know, when nineteen o six earthquake hit and all those, you know, poor people didn't survive at Agnews, and they were all buried at the same cemetery.

Right? And that sort of thing. There's, like, a lot of different events that have happened here that we just don't document or maybe it's documented somewhere, but it's not publicly visible.

Right? So

I think it's a great idea.

I think, like, the that sentiment, it's fits really well with, like, kind of the education programs that, like, we've been thinking about on how to distribute information, like, on both on the website and on a plaque somewhere, like, to to kinda show where that is. Again, you know, how do we how do we work the work plan? It's it's this is gonna be part of that, I feel like.

So I can start by asking Laurie if she has the capacity to expand on what she's already written and maybe get some if not, maybe get some quotes from other consultants. But it sounds like the information you're looking for is more detail on his life, but also how he was representative of the history at that time or how he impacted. So more impact information.

And I know you know, I'm kinda looking him up now. He's like a like a representative of kind of generation of the Californios. And I know Lori has a ton of information about that, and I've actually seen her do a presentation in Californios. So Yeah. We'll we can get a little more information. And I I I think we just have to think of figure out, like, what the threshold is for us to actually make a designation.

Two questions. Number one, who brought this proposal forward to, you know, potentially designate his gravesite as a landmark? And then number two, like, if we actually do move forward and designate it as a landmark, then, like I mean, it's a gravesite. Right? There's probably a tombstone. Do we then add, like, an additional rock that is then gonna have a plaque with, you know, some, like, a paragraph description about this historical significance in relation to Santa Clara?

I think Rebecca is gonna look at the first part and, like, the the mechanics of how we can actually do the des designation. What what do we need to, like, submit? Like, where does it go? Like, how do we just say this is a designated place? And then, like, the second one, I I think we still have to figure out, like, if we are able to do a designation, then how like, how do we display the information? That's Okay. We still have to discuss that.

Alright. But, I mean, like, how it got on the agenda? Did one of the commissioners bring it up or some oh, you brought it up. Yes. Oh, okay.

I was just in Seattle. Okay.

Cool. Thank you.

It's live.

Yeah. I mean, based on the letter, you know, that miss Garcia wrote, it looks like the significance, you know, in general, besides being part of the California movement and, you know, influential in the area throughout, you know, his life. But in terms of actually being, you know, buried in Santa Clara, like, that's really all I read in the letter about his connection to Santa Clara is that he's buried here. So maybe he lived the very latter part of his life in Santa Clara, or I don't know, like, how he ended up I mean, he was hung in San Jose. You know? Unfortunately,

I suppose I don't

know the story, you know, about why he was convicted of murder. But, you know, how he ended up here in Santa Clara, I mean, obviously, he's a very important person in history. But I'm just wondering in relation to the actual city of Santa Clara, is it just that he's buried in this particular city? And if he were buried in Fresno, they could designate that, you know, his gravesite, a historical site as well just because of the significance that he had in the area and in the state and even nationally. That's what I would like to know. Is it more than that that he was buried here?

I do have a comment. Well, the way I look at it, the way I view this is that, for example, Bruce Lee did a lot of work in the Bay Area, but he's buried in Seattle. So that's still a designated location also. So that's kind of my mind frame there. And he's been up and down California.

There's so many so much impact that he's been there, whether it's and it's subjective to to, you know, whoever is for or against. And I think it's important to note that when somebody was convicted in that era, you can just be associated to a group and not have done the action, the actual act of murdering. And so people got hung that way. That's that's very important to distinguish and and define that murder, you were you were being hung without due process. And I think that's really telling of that time and current times today.

Thank you. Those are good points.

So it sounds like we gave Rebecca a ton of work this this month. Sorry. But but, hopefully, we we kinda, like, get through, like, some of the process questions, and that'll clarify, like, a couple of things. Like, one is, like, what is our current process of doing these things? Like, we'll get through this, like, a lot faster, probably, like, a lot easier with more information next time this comes up.

And then two is, like, if we can do all those simplification, then it will actually streamline a lot of process down the line. Or if we know there are processes that need clarification, that will be part of our questions as we're looking at updating our ordinance of, like, what do we need to clarify and stuff like that. So asking these questions are really important to me. I think it's to kinda understand, like, what kind of process do we have and what do we need to improve on. Now I just sound like I was at work.

So so that's it. That's all I have. Is there any other discussion in the we don't have any public people, like, on those meetings, so we don't have any public comments. So oh, yeah. Okay. They're closed on, on our items for now, and we'll continue on those conversations as we go. You need a motion? It's usually for public comments.

Okay.

Yeah.

Alright. I think we're

Can make a quick comment? Sure. This sorta inspired me in some ways only because there are so many stories that we don't know about Santa Clara.

Yeah.

And it would be kind of a cool opportunity to, let me choose the right words here, do this on social media in a way to kinda inspire other people to come out with their stories to HLC, and maybe we can have a contents once a year with, like, the best story of Santa Clarin and then actually give them a landmark to honor that. Just something to get people interested in history of Santa Clara, and this could be the start

of that.

Yeah. I think that's a

Can I can I add a little bit to that? Sorry to keep everyone waiting, but I think it it gives life. It kind of brings back a moment in time, right, where these things were happening. It's like different decades that we have of history in Santa Clara, and it's not just a quaint town. There's so much history, so much life that was a part of it, even died here, right, buried here.

And so I I think that's something that can actually elevate our commission as well, give it some more life refreshing and and and show why oh, that clock is on. You know what? I am yes. Just just give it more life and and keep it exciting for us and kind of be refreshing and and just contribute more and just I think it's definitely something that we can avenues that we can look into on as to how we operate as a commission.

Yeah. And I agree. Like, you know, it it's always good to add more fabric to, like, the story, like, around town. Like, you you have a have a place in the story to put to. And and we're not talking about just, like, early California history and, you know, all of our Oak Quad and and stuff. I'm also thinking about, you know, the beginning of Silicon Valley. It happened here. You know? So we have, like, all those, like, companies that started here. We have, you know, the Atari started here. You know? Stuff like that. Those all belongs as part of the the history. So, like, a Memorex. That that was a long story.

Yeah. There's I I have made friends at a computer history museum over that. So yeah. So there's a there's there's a ton of stuff that we can kind of push through. And and I I think it makes sense, not just, like, you know, homeowners and houses. It's also, like, the context of the of the city itself. And the more defined we have on the process on how to do this, the easier it will be for us to to do these designations. And I think it's you know, I'm not gonna be here for that many more years. So, like, it's this commission, I could clarify. But, like, you know, it's it'll be good to, like, kinda set a framework for our future commissioners to to to be able to follow these things.

So it wouldn't be like, have we have a gravesite right now that's designated. Like, how did that happen? We don't know. You know? So, yeah, that's, I think that's gonna be really important to set that up for success, like, moving forward.

The president.

Yeah. President. We're gonna need that. Thank you. Oh, we're good?

Alright. Let's move on. So next, I have staff report.

Any staff reports? No. We kind of already covered it. I was gonna mention that the work plans were approved at Tuesday's council meeting. More information to come on how we interpret that approval. Right.

Yeah. I know. So I'm like, what does that mean?

That's cool. Thank you. Appreciate it.

And then we have commissioner's report. We don't have any subcommittees meeting. We haven't started the banners for this year. Right?

Coincidentally, I just spoke to I got an email from David Knight, and there's going to be a twenty twenty six games, I guess, project putting banners down El Camino, which may conflict with our May history.

Oh, interesting.

Yes. It was discussed at, like, one of the items at the economic and development meetings they've been having. And so and it's cool that we light up El Camino with all these sports related legends and banners and everything sports, but that our banners don't quite fit in.

Thanks, David.

They would be doing that post Super Bowl?

They're well, Super Bowl starts, what, February and runs to June, July? I think July 18 is the last game, so that's our Monday's May.

Oh. Time

we're gonna have banners on El Camino about sports, though.

Well, Super Bowl is only February one day. So but then and then FIFA runs. Okay. So I guess Excellent. We might have a conflict that way.

It's June to July 18.

So I think it'll be good to get the context of what they're doing, and then we can plan. And we were talking about we need a plan a little bit further ahead anyway

Mhmm.

This year.

His response was, next year will be great. Right. I think it's a topic for our subcommittee or what whoever's on the subcommittee this year that what do we want to do. And then it it occurred to me that perhaps our banners would fit on the over by, what's it called, Nebula Statue. There are those history banners. Perhaps ours can go there in the meantime for this year. This is a plan

b if they fit.

Because I thought you mean the ones that are just out here. Right?

Yeah. History, and it has a different Yeah.

Okay.

Because I thought those are, like, kinda, like, permanent insulation.

They were just regular banners. Oh, okay.

That could be a plan b for this year if that's the case.

Okay.

The question is, do we wanna move forward with securing an artist, involving the community Mhmm. Making banners this year or not?

I I yeah. I mean, I think if if we can get a clarification on if we can even put them up, I mean, you know, also think about Franklin Square maybe because we have those poles.

I wonder if that would

Yeah.

Yeah. Downtown. Downtown? Plan c. Plan c. Here. Getting banners up.

Part of the original plan too was that we would increase the inventory when we would not have to add new art Yeah. But just more banners. The same ones? Of the same ones. Replicate them. Banners get repetitive down the street anyway, and you don't know exactly where someone's gonna drive. So it's not like there can only be one.

Right? That's fair.

We did we did that a little bit last year where we were able to. We added a few more, but that's something too if if we wanna wait or do a different section or you know? It just depends on the polls and what they can hold because they're different in different areas.

And we did talk about adding things like international swim center Mhmm. Or Olympians. Mean, we could play along too. I mean, if we have a sports thing, those are historic sports things.

Did anyone ever hear back

from the Ohlone community? The Ohlone tribe?

I'm sorry. I didn't hear

what you said. Sorry.

Didn't did anyone hear back from the Ohlone tribe about the banner that we had designed or that person that commissioner

Yvonne, you were gonna look into that?

Or

Yeah. No. The communication hasn't been the greatest.

They didn't respond to anything we sent.

I'll send something

Okay.

Just to remind. Mhmm. Friendly reminder.

Yeah. But I guess, like, if you can get clarification with them on saying, like, what do you mean we don't fit? So and then we can kinda figure it out from there and see, like, how to run the program. I still feel like there's probably still opportunities to put them out, maybe not in the same spots that we had them before.

Right.

Share the road?

Yeah. Share the road.

Hey. Nina was long. Is long. How come Mino is long? I was like, how many banners? Like, they they're going to have like, which section are they gonna take? Hey. Larry would take them. So it's fine. So okay. Cool. I think that's a subcommittee. I know it's only the two of you now. Like, do you think we need a third? Does anybody wanna volunteer to be a third on the subcommittee or doing banners? Amy retired. I know. Yeah. Amy retired from the subcommittee.

So but, yeah,

if anybody wants to kinda volunteer for that, we can also take that offline as well.

We only meet once or twice. Most of it's done through email. It's pretty low key,

but we're efficient. And it's it's ad hoc, so you don't have to notice and stuff, and, you know, I go violate the brown ag rules as long as you're that's the only topic you're Right. You're talking about.

Right. Very specific.

Yep. Okay.

Cool. I'm gonna move on to board and committee reporting. So I'm gonna start. You have, like, five. Santa Clara Arts and Historic Consortium.

I have no updates. They do meet quarterly once every usually Sunday. They try to do it when the museum is open first Sunday of the month, noon to 03:00. If you've never been there, it's a great little house. I think you check it out first Sunday, twelve to three. Usually, this time of year, they go into hiatus, and so probably get more updates in January.

Thank you. Historic Preservation Society of Santa Clara.

They're getting ready for historic home tour. The all the buzz was about photos with Santa, which will be on Sunday of that December. That's usually a very fun community family oriented event. I like to go. Yeah. And so I recommend everybody going to the farm and taking pictures with Santa.

And a bunch of us at docents. I've been voluntold. I'm voluntold. Yep. We've we've a few of us have

been voluntold to be a docent. Looking for more as well if anybody wants.

Yes. If anybody who wanna look for wanna be a docent, the shifts are not long, and they give you a whole script, and you just kinda hang out and talk to people and, like, kinda tell them about the historic significance of the of the room you're in. And it's really fun. You get to see people you'll see all the time, and you just kinda end up hanging out. So it was really fun. And then there's

a to meet people in the community.

It's a great way to meet people in the community, and there's a dinner in it for you. So on Sunday night.

Where's this?

A letter with that. No. Just kidding.

Houses chosen through or not chosen. Asked to be on the tour, and people have to you know? Because they have to, you know, organize their home and and open it up to the public. So, there's a website for it, isn't it?

Sc-hometour.org, if I remember correctly. Yeah.

Ticket, and then you get to go to all the houses, and they'll have carolers out front. And if you wanna be a docent, you can reach out to them. And there's a coordinator for each house that plans all the the docents and the timing, and you get to meet the owners. And people come through and wanna chitchat with about you, and they wanna talk about, you know, the history they know, and it's it it's interesting.

You learn a lot, actually, when you're on those. So the se-hometour.com. So if you search Santa Clara Historic Home Tour, it'll come up. Okay.

Yep. Didn't that happen just recently? Remember there was a homeowner that was here requesting, like, a plaque in front of his home, and he had already ordered the big stone.

Yeah. That was a year ago. Was

that a year ago?

That was a year. Ago.

It's every Gosh. Yeah. It's every December. Yeah.

Because I remember driving by that house and seeing people out front, you know, and I was like, oh, it's happening. You know, the home tour is going on right now. That was a year ago. Wow. That was a year. Wise.

And I would also encourage going to a website because there's actually a self guided tour section in there. So it has a map, and then you can actually see all the different houses, and there's different paths that you can go. It's pretty cool. Cool. I wanna Thank you. Work on that.

I wanna congratulate you guys for having the Frank House on the tour this year. I'm pretty excited about that. For my first time in there

That's right.

Yes. Lou Feria, which, by the way, is Portuguese. Just claiming my own. But he's gonna have a very fancy eighteenth century nativity scene as part of his display. We call it the presepio by the Portuguese, and it's it's a family tradition that goes back centuries. So I'm glad to see that Lou stepping out and, you know, claiming those that DNA and putting that presepio out there from the eighteenth century. That's gonna be really cool. So I'm excited about going to that house. But other houses are in there.

He said that's the last time he's gonna do it. I don't know if it's true.

Really? Last time? You know, you gotta do it then. Gotta see his house.

Yeah. I catch my FOMO. Have to go.

Oh. A mansion on the inside. I feel like I walked into the Adams family house. I'm like, this is cool. Lie down that balust oh, and there's, like, different rooms, and one has, like, a nineteen forties, you know, Pacific vibe. And then you go into another room, and it's like this is, like, Victorian. So every room has its little theme. It's quite fascinating. It's a beautiful house.

Yeah.

Definitely. And you can purchase tickets online, and there's actually people at the farmer's market selling tickets as well on on Saturdays. So definitely go check them out. Highly encouraged. Okay. Keep going. Ocwads Residence Association. I think a 100% of us are roped in as docents. That's for the home tour on Oak Quad. So there's a we had the the Halloween picnic over by the library, a pretty good success.

You know, every year, we're work with the library over admission to, basically, like, hand out treats and, you know, there's face painting and and all that stuff, and there was a lot of pizza and stuff. And it's it's super fun. So there's, like, also activities that library did and stuff like that, and and that it's always a family fun thing, so we'll continue to do it because that's been always, like, a successful event for us.

That seventy years this year?

Yeah. And then and then last weekend was the seven year seventy years anniversary for that library. So it's actually I think I think it's a listed property on there. So it was actually our first the the city's first stand alone library. And then it was, like, a family reading room for, like, for many years that was open from, like, ten to four.

So, like, I didn't never went. And then the renovation, like, I don't know, seven, eight years ago. I didn't say six, seven. But seven years ago where the they did a full renovation of the building, and it turned into, like, more of like they have longer hours. So, like, on Tuesdays, they're open till seven, so, like, you know, people have a chance to go in. So we got a community room, and we're trying to do more activities and stuff like with with the with the place. But, yeah, there's actually a plaque in front because, like, the the location of where this used to be the corral or the yeah. So so that's something that, you know, people should actually take a look at.

Is that where they parked their carriages when they went to town?

That's where they parked their horses.

Parking lot.

Yeah. Your You your horse.

Park your horse. The carriage. Yep. And then there was a yeah. And there's the park, etcetera. So, like, after so so I guess, like, the the library used to be in the in the old city hall. Yeah. Yeah. So, like, when so and it was upstairs, and then and then they decided to, like, build us down a long Library, and that was the first one.

Yep. Well, they don't the eminent domain, the city hall, so I had to move.

Oh, yes. I think they moved before that, but but it's out there. So if you go go to the library, they still have, like, a lot of goodies left. So there's actually stickers and postcards, and there's, like, a little laser cut ornament with the design on there. So I encourage people to go check it out. There's always, you know, activities there, like, all the time too. So not just for kids. There's some more, I don't know, age appropriate for older patrons.

Yes. So yep. Yep. Yep.

And then yeah. That that's really it. So, like, you know, also also pushing for the home tour. So because we're all working it.

Cool. Development review hearing? They met on the fifteenth. There were only two items on it that didn't fit within any of the areas that we normally focus on. Commissioner Varshney, I know you mentioned last meeting about agendas for some of these items.

This the development review, you can see the agenda on the same page where Elizabeth sends our agenda to. So it's got all the commissions on there if you ever wanna see what comes across them and what items they're looking at, it's all in there. It follows the same format as our commission. So I just check it and look at the address and see where it's at and if it falls, you know, like, within the one historic district or down, you know, in Old Quad. But until we get a context, there's not a lot we can do with many of those. Although a lot of them are probably much older than fifty years.

Yeah. We've been kinda discussing about for, like, a while, like, you know, what what constituted as, like, a historic property and stuff like that. So, you know, that's a discussion for a different day. Bart High Speed Rail VTA BRT Committee.

They're wrapping up. I know they're actively doing work on the Newhall Yard over there off of Coleman. The next meeting's on November 12, and there's another meeting in December. And that's a wrap for the year. They're still trying to raise money to cover the gap. I think it's down to 500,000,000 now. It's better. Only? Yeah. Only. So we'll see where that goes, but they're moving forward with the project.

Awesome. Al Camino Real specific plan community advisory committee. I don't think I've heard anything since, like, for a while for Al Camino.

We are working on the CEQUA document and hope to have that circulating before the end of the year.

Cool. Thank you. Dantime Precise Plan?

We did meet. We met with the RSG group. They're our new consultants on October 16. We're going to be meeting probably every other month, the next one being January. Third Thursdays of the month seemed to work. It was quite a lengthy meeting. It was more like a meet and greet. We had to get to know them and what their background and experience was and what they were bringing to the table. They did do a lot of research, actually going to our downtown, walking around, dining there, getting a feel for it, and also our master plan. They came at us with a lot of clarifying questions and asked us to try to prioritize what what we could not live without on our our community benefits.

We were pretty adamant we wanted it at all. We've been waiting a long time.

I've had a deal.

We didn't wanna budge on that. There was other topics that came out. I think Adam brought it up, which is was great. It's like, how do we fund this list for how long? And we had not thought about how long should the community benefits last for because, obviously, the developer's coming in. He's making money for fifty years or longer if it's a leaseback, and how will we cover keep our downtown evolving and being relevant if the money dries up. You know? So maybe looking at it as something they do over thirty years or something as opposed to a single item. Like, here's a park or here's a bench and call it a day. So that was a really good topic, and we discussed that quite a bit.

Some of the the highlights were, would we budge on the parking garage? We didn't want to. Okay. Things like, clearly, we need the theater was another item that they were wondering if if we could do without. Other things like placemaking plaza, expressing our art and history through landmarks and activation, wayfinding signs, those are things we just absolutely need to give our downtown an identity.

So that was a it was a good discussion, so we'll see where it goes from there. The the topic of a downtown association came up. Like, maybe that is what something that the developer invests in or subsidizes and makes that continuous so that all of a sudden it doesn't close like the last one, you know, so that we always have that kind of marketing ability and creating a destination for the downtown. So it was it was a good meeting, first meeting. So I look forward to the next one.

Awesome. I'm happy that's moving forward.

Yeah.

Yeah. Saint Clair Station Area Task Force. I actually haven't been able to attend. Was there anything, like, we can re that we have to report on? Oh, I I wasn't at the one before the month before. And I don't think we've met this month.

Oh, didn't we cancel it? We canceled October.

Yeah. We canceled October, but, like, I don't

Oh, you're asking me to think about September?

I couldn't do it. I wasn't here in September. But, yeah, I don't think we have any Draw

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We're we're still working through the proposals and stuff like that, and WRT is gonna report back at some point.

Yes. And we have our city council study session coming up as well.

That's true. So we're ending on that. Do do we schedule it?

It is scheduled for December 16.

Ah, there we go. Okay. December 16. Anybody wanna join, it'll be a council. It's all I got. So do I have a motion to adjourn unless there's anything to discuss? But yeah. I move we adjourn. Thank you. We have a motion to adjourn. Do I have a second? Second. Thank you. Those who are in favor, say aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. And we are adjourned at 07:23PM. Thank you, everyone.