Planning and Zoning Commission - Regular Meeting

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Okay. That's correct. I'd like to call the U February 24th planning zoning commission meeting to order. Ker, please call ro. Chairman William Hardrick here. Mayor Marty Little here. Steve Olsen here. Mark JRO here.

I am here. Councilman Lee Fernis here. Janet Dietrich here. Angela Williams here. Special counsel Joe Bond I'm here. Uh, also I've never really thought about this. I am the city's attorney. It says special counsel. I think that's just like city attorney Joe B. I think that's maintain that has a ring, buddy. Yeah. Katie Sanders. Excuse. I turned it off. I'm sorry. Katie is excused. And Diane Robinson, Community Development here.

Thank you all. Please stand for the pledge of allegiance. Remain standing for our service members, please. Thank you. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands. One nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Standing for our service members.

Thank you all. Please be seated. Well, I appreciate you all um coming out and hanging out with us tonight. I appreciate the commission being here. Special counsel, good to see you. City attorney, good to see you. We starting early. Starting early, everybody. We got Well, I trust that everyone has the opportunity to read the previous minutes. I will uh open the floor for a motion to approve those minutes. Motion to approve. Second. Thank you, Ken, for that motion. Thank you Mark for that second. All those in favor I

All those who opposed motion does carry. Thank you. We will now begin our public hearing. Uh please be advised the plan and zoning commission is just an advisory board that makes recommendations to the city council. Final approvals are granted by the city council. So I'll call you up. Please state step forward. State your name and your business. I'll call you count in order. Anyone here from 1910 Woodson Road. Come on up. State your name next to your business, please. Sir,

give us give me a short like overview. What you looking for? Cool. Thank you. I appreciate you. Easy. Kick it to Katie right here, but I'mma go to uh Miss Diane. You got some comments? I do. I'm Look at Miss Diane. Thank you, chair.

Go ahead, Miss Diane. Um, the applicant is requesting to revise a site plan which was previously approved on September 30th, 2026. The revision will include a 1,344 square ft building addition to the existing store on the south side and addition of 347 square ft to the rear of the building. Um, this revision is due to being denied by Metropolitan Sewer District to build the previously approved addition on the rear property which would encroach on their easement. There is also the installation of an additional egress set on the north side of the property which was previously approved on September 30th, 2026 as well. It is being revised due to being reduced in size. The original egress measured 24T 9 in and the revised egress measures 13t 1 in.

Thank you. City Attorney Joba. Yeah. So, this is just a a site plan review. Uh I think typically this might be able to be done administratively but because it uh dealt with uh liquor business we uh brought it before you. Um you know it's pretty straightforward. It's um complies with the parking rags and all that sort of jazz. So this is just kind of updating it in line with MSD's kind of uh their easement that's there. Thank you. Any questions or comments from the commission?

Yes. It would appear to me that this is the only solution possible. What's the plan for the additional space? Just more

additional questions from the commission. I just add that I think Mr. Ram here is the hardest working person in Overlands. If you drive past his shop, his truck is there 8 a.m. and 11 p.m. most all the time. Any questions from the the audience? Any comments? Okay. I have one comment. Yes, sir. On the on the packet on the second page, there's a typo in the second line. It says September 30th, 2026. I'm sure it's supposed to be 2025.

Yeah. References September 30th, 2025 later on that paragraph. It does. Where is it? I'm sorry. It's on it's on the the report to the P to the commission on the the back of the front page. the second line. Under zoning request. Okay. Thank you, Mark.

Do we all see that?

Any additional comments or questions from the commission? Anything? Okay. See no additional comments or questions. I'll open the floor for a motion to recommend. I'll make the motion. Second. Thank you, Ken, for that for that motion. Thank you, Mark, for that second. All those in favor? I. All those who oppose. That motion does carry. Thank you so much for your time as always. Um, we will have a coun uh council meeting here on March 9th. He won't need to go. Well, we'll just have a meeting here. Thank you. Welcome. You have a great day. Okay. Thank you for your time.

Anyone here from 100055 Page Avenue? Please step forward. State your name. Got a presentation. I'm excited about this.

Good evening, Mr. Chairman. Members of the commission. My name is Mike. Civil engineering request recommendation for consolidation plan of submitting permit applications to the city. It was determined that two separate plots to the east is approximately 28 acres in size. address of 1701 Northfield West. Okay. Thank you so much, sir. We'll go straight to Miss D. You got some comments for us?

Yes, Mr. Chairman. Thank you.

Excuse me. The business owner applied for occupancy for an auto repair shop. The business was a change in ownership only. Therefore, the conditional use permit was administratively approved on January 23rd, 2026. During that review, it was determined that the business was located on more than one lot, which had never been consolidated. As a result, the excuse me, the director of um community development required consolidation of the lots. Applicant is requesting approval to consolidate three lots into one parcel. Um 10,55 Page Avenue lot 19 measures approximately 14,967 square ft. 1701 Northfield consists of two lots. Lot one measures approximately 7,140 square ft and lot two measures approximately 5100 square feet which totals approximately 12,242 ft. That's all.

Thank you, Mr. D. City attorney.

Yeah. And so, uh, this probably looks familiar to what we've been doing when we've seen other businesses that are on multiple lots or other sort of, uh, subdivision quirks. You know, this is just a bookkeeping thing. We're just trying to, you know, for the future have this be unified as one parcel because it's operating as one, you know. So again, it's very similar to the other ones that we've seen over time where I think things were just kind of purchased bits and bobs and this is just kind of a way for us to fix that going forward. So appreciate the applicant for taking the time. I know it hasn't been as quick as we would have wanted, but you know, hopefully this is kind of the last little step.

Thank you. Like you mentioned, trying to fix an issue we didn't know we had. you know, get our books right. So, I'm open up to the commission for a second for comments, but I see you brought a presentation. I don't want to waste a presentation. A copy of the proposed plan. Okay. Okay. Okay. I don't want to wait, you know, all the hard work. I don't want to want to go go to waste. Okay. Great. Any questions or comments from the commission? Thank you all. I'm coming. I'm coming. Any question or comments from the audience? Anything you want to say, Mark? This is a no-brainer. This is a no-brainer. No brainer. Yeah.

Well, seen it's a no-brainer. I'll open the floor for motion to recommend approval of block consolidation. So, one5 Page Avenue and 1701 North Northfield View as presented discussed. So moved. Thank you, Steve. Second. Thank you, Angela. It's been moved and properly second. All those in favor? I I. All those who oppose? That motion does carry. Uh, we will have a Thank you. I'm I'm pretty sure he didn't be in contact with you. He's out of here. We will for it. But he's out of here.

He's out of here. It's okay first. Thank you, chairman. Okay. Thank you. Hi, Jeff. One 086 Page Avenue. like you coming too want to state your name. Nature of business please. looking for a place.

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Thank you for considering Overland. It was delicious. Miss Diane. Yes, sir.

This is, excuse me, this is a conditional use permit site plan review application for approval to operate a restaurant serving authentic Jamaican food. The restaurant will occupy a multi-tenant building with shared parking. A site plan, excuse me, a site plan review was performed by staff and it appears the site meets current zoning regime due in part to a variance granted on December 12th, 1990, specifically related to insufficient parking. There will be dying in and carry out. No drive-thru service will be available. There will not be any alcohol sales. Per the letter of intent, the hours of operation will be as follows. Tuesday through Friday, 10:00 a.m. to 1000 p.m. Saturday 12:00 p.m. to 1000 p.m. Sunday 2:00 p.m. to 1000 p.m. and closed on Mondays. That's all I have.

Thank you, Attorney Joe. So yeah, uh if you look at the exhibit B, which is the conditional use permit itself, um I did draft it to be a restaurant that would allow alcohol sales. Um just in case if you ever plan on doing that that um you know, you don't have to come back in front of this body. Yeah.

And get it amended. You would just, you know, seek a liquor license and we would review that as part of that. So you will notice that yes, the conditional use permit is for a restaurant that does outline alcohol sales. That doesn't require you go out and get a liquor license tomorrow. It just gives you the flexibility so you don't have to keep applying and amending and stuff like that. So

the goal um with that, you know, again, uh you know, there's no outdoor storage. This has been a site um where we've otherwise, you know, limited to if there is alcohol sales in the future that it remain within the building itself. Um but other than that, you know, it looks like a pretty straightforward, you know, it used to be there was a bar restaurant there. This is just, you know, filling in what used to be there. And, you know, I wish you'd brought samples. I'm sure I'll be by to try it out. I was going to ask the same question. Okay. Any questions or comments from the commission? Yes, ma'am.

Uh, when you say outdoor seating, where is the outdoor seating going to be? Um, originally I I thought we would be able to have seating that. So, If I may, we had this with um bougie bites or or not bougie bites. Bushy bites at the

end. So, it was determined that the sidewalk wasn't even large enough to do that. So, yeah, for for for ADA purposes, there was enough space, right? Um, I don't know if it changes. I don't know if the awning goes further back towards the middle of that building, but that was the reason for the previous issue with the outside. I was just saying how Yeah. The other location you had some outdoor seating right out front, didn't you? The other location you had some outdoor seating right out front. Yes, I did. I really did. I had Yes, sir. Can I ask another question,

please? Yes, ma'am. Were you displaced by Costco,

May? Mayor, you have a question. Uh, here we we're talking about hours till 10 p.m. on Friday, Saturday, but on the application, you you had written in midnight. Is there a desire to operate beyond 10 p.m.? If so, we can approve it. My original thought was clos but now

I I'll just throw this out to you. If you say 12, it it gives you that opportunity in the future. We're not setting your hours, but if we said midnight now, if you change your mind 5 years later and want to go to midnight, you'd be allowed to. Whereas, if you say 10 p.m. now, you'd have to come back here to make a change. So, we we can be as broad here as you'd like just to give you some flexibility. We'll amend that. So, we'll amend that for Friday and Saturday night.

And then just another comment here, just so everybody else knows, uh Mr. ROR uh invested in the city to for at a different location and we tried to work to get that in and fire district ultimately wouldn't allow the the plan. So this is the the rework version. Um happy you're staying here and let's get this open and just selling some food. Happy to be here. Loves good food. I tell you that having eaten at your former restaurant, we're looking forward to you coming to town. Definitely really really like your stuff. Just a question of clarity attorney

as to the hours I'm here editing. Do you um also want to So again, you don't have to come back here and amend it. I was thinking Sunday uh through Thursday 2 to 10 p.m. Friday, Saturday uh until 12 a.m. Right. That's what we're talking about because right now currently it says Monday is just closed. So yeah, I would like to close. So so Monday would be the best.

And to clarify, we're not setting your hours. You can be open whenever. I just want to make sure that if in the future you ever want to be open on Monday, you don't have to come back and pay 500 bucks to the commission and do all this stuff. Yes. Same thing with changing your hours. Yeah. Just Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That sounds great. Perfect. It's 10:00 a.m. to 10 p.m. It's 2 p.m. just on Sunday. Got it. So, you're saying just to clarify, um, city attorney. So, let me just So, 10:00 a.m. to 10 p.m. Sunday to Thursday, 10:00 a.m. to midnight, Friday, Saturday.

Okay. Anybody got that one? Thank you. Any additional questions or comments from the commission? Anything from the audience? Questions or comments? Okay. See no additional questions or comments, I open the floor uh for a motion to recommend approval with conditional use permit with stipulations as presented and discussed. So move. Second. Mark, thank you for that motion. Ken, thank you for that second. All those in favor? I I

all those who oppose. That motion carries. Motion recommendations as presented. Thank you, Steve. Second. Thank you, Councilman. All those in favor? I. All those who oppose. That motion does carry. Thank you so much for your time. Thank you for coming here tonight. Looking forward to having you in Overland. Um I know our coming council meeting will be on March 9th in the chambers. Pretty sure they'll be in touch with you also. Thank you so much. Yes, sir.

Thank you. Anyone here from 2138 number six Woodson Road step forward, state your name, nature of your business. Appreciate you all coming out tonight.

How are you? Yes. Thank you for coming here tonight. Thank you for considering overland also. Thank you. Conditional comments.

Yes, chairman. This is an application for a conditional use permit and site plan approval for a construction contractor's office. Per the letter of intent, the business hours and days of operation will be from 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Monday through Saturday. The applicant has not requested outside storage. Therefore, out outside storage is prohibited. Per the letter of intent, no company vehicles will be stored overnight on the property. Um, definition of a office for a construction contractor. It's an office used for sales and or the administrative and clerical affairs of a construction contractor only and not for any other service or activity related to the business of a construction contractor. The use office construction contractor does not include the storage of any construction materials or inventory of parts or equipment. the storage of parking I'm sorry the storage or parking of any construction vehicles, trucks or equipment including construction vehicles, trucks or equipment owned by the employees or independent contractors for the use of the premises as a location for construction employees or independent contractors to report for work or dispatch to work sites. These activities are permitted only as part of a conditional use of construction contractor in the M1 zoning district.

That's all I have. Thank you so much, Mr. City Attorney Jo. So, yeah, this is a pretty straightforward, you know, administrative office. Uh, this is just the process it goes through. Um if you look at that exhibit B, our conditional use permit, um there were just a few small edits. Um there was uh just part of the lensure talked about vehicle repairs. There's obviously not going to be vehicle repairs on this site. Um and we didn't flag any variances. So I took the language out that referred to variances because

there's no need to refer to them if they're not seeking them. Uh otherwise seems like a pretty straightforward use of the property and you know no issues here. Thank you. It's just definitely Thank you. Any questions or comments from the commission?

When you say that you do not store any of your trucks and so forth there. Where, if you don't mind me asking, where are those vehicles stored? Are they in Overland? Not an overland.

Thank you. Any additional questions or comments from the commission? Thank you. Anything from the audience? Questions or comments? Okay. Well, seeing none, um, open the floor for a motion recommend approval condition use permitt stipulations as presented and discussed. I'll make the motion. We'll go with Steve on this one. Okay. So move second. Thank you for that second. Mayor, all those in favor? I I

All those who oppose that motion does carry. Motion to recommend approval site plans and stipulations as presented and discussed. So, thank you, Steve. Looking for a second. Second. All those in favor? I All those who oppose, that motion does carry. Thank you all so much for your time and consider. We will have a meeting. Thank you. We have a meeting here March 9th here in the council here in the chamber. Thank you. Please state your name for the record. Yeah, my name is Chief. Yeah, I'm the property. Yes, sir.

I have some very comfort. Well, let's uh I feel like we should probably get through the agenda first and then have additional comments. We'll have at the end we'll have additional comments. I have you call come back up. Is that okay? After. Yes, sir. No problem. Yes, sir. Thank you. Anyone here from 9720 Page Avenue? Please step forward. State your name. N business, please. Excuse my name. I'm science. contract for

Thank you, sir. Okay, Mr. D, go straight to you.

Thank you, Chair. This is an application for approval of a conditional use permit to install and operate a commercial electronic message board sign. The electronic message board sign will be installed on an existing pole sign with the same height measurements. The sign will measure 60 I'm sorry 60 in by 120 in which measures a total of 600 square ft. A conditional use permit for occupancy and operation was approved by planning and zoning on April 29th, 2025 and by city council on May 12th, 2025. All

thank you, city attorney Joe Bond. So yeah, this is uh just an instance where uh because it's an electronic message board sign, it has to go through CUP. Um I I think it it appears to be roughly the same if not the exact same size as the existing sign. Um, you know, usually we bring people through this process because there are certain rules on like brightness and that sort of stuff. So that gets integrated into your cup. So, um, I'm sure you're aware of it, you know. Um, but other than that, it looks like a perfectly fine sign to me. So,

thank you. Any questions or comments from the commission? I'm sorry. Yeah. Um on the as Diane was was mentioning um did you mention 600 square feet? I wish it was tall. I wish it was okay. My math is off. My math is not bad. Anybody else say anything about this? They'll be able to see that sign out of space. They would be able to see that sign in outer space.

Lay on top lay on top of that target. It's crazy. Any additional comments or questions from the commission? Anything from the audience? Anything for Mark? Again, this is also a no-brainer. Thank you for that. Seeing none, I will open the floor for uh I mean I entertain a motion recommen recommend approval conditional use permit with stipulations as presented. Motion to approve. Thank you councilman. Thank you Mark for that second. All those in favor I all those who oppose and the motion does carry. Thank you so much for your time sir. 50 feet or 600? Thank you. Thank you

Joe. Legal question here. Do signs go to the council meeting approval? Okay. Be March 9th here in the chamber. March 9th. March 9th here in the chamber. Yeah. And I I don't know if it'd be you guys joining, but given the nature of the business, I'd recommend somebody be here just in case questions come up.

Yeah. Yeah, the B I don't think we necessarily need somebody from the sign company here, but just so long as the business owner knows that it's part of their business and uh again, given that nature, there might be some some questions. Thank you. Thank you. State your name, address of your business. Let us let us know what your your thoughts are. My name is Jean.

Yes, sir. This lady want to go with my team know each other only the reason why she was patient with me and she likes this not only issue what I issue I'm not going to say I mean not your person when you guys do the zing determinate business determinate what this company do particularly in my office administrative office it's you guys cannot control what they're going to in city or even out of state it says construction is not a construction it's most repair but you construction okay I let me read to you what does this mean construction it mean business for managing administration talks like contract permits payments subcontract and schedule everything it's a business office of course determination but just the answer you can list number one you can put the material you can put the content that the purpose of condition for my understanding there's no purpose

I need to condition your experiment why we here doesn't apply not disturb no traffic there is no law on anything else why we here second one business office is permitted in my zone but it's because it's construction it's condition use the third one offsite service this is service we're talking about roofing HBC pling what it says not permitted at all. The entire community doesn't need them. What's the average houses in all 70 80 years old? What about if this is handymen? It's not permitted. The city of doesn't need repairs. But on it is per listen what it says in the book. Appliances movers. Seriously, that is permitted. If somebody has a water heater problem, he need to take the water heater and bring on the side for fixing. Serious. This is what the book said. How we can survive like that? You confusing me three one business but three different position in this I want to show you something it's kind of joke but it's not a joke I do this business for 23 years I purchased that strip mall in 2000 I have find accidentally booklet not the book but you invest money for that book I don't know book you didn't get Just for sure.

It says peritted use in C2 peritted. What do you think? How many businesses is here? 130 businesses peritted 2004. Do you know how many businesses peritted right now? from 100 to come to 15 I ask you a question how I can run the business how I can rent it to someone I can't do at least to me I can't because one business admitted condition and for how I can determinate absolutely so it's I think it's 2020 next 40 probably is going to left over five businesses. If you go this way, you can't do this thing. You are being selected to improve that get better life to speak. When you make this book, why you didn't ask me as a property owner? What is the best what we can improve? What kind of businesses people looking? I give you example after that. roofing company. I was very disappointed. I schedu I understand Jason, right? He said the book says construct. That's it. There's nothing. I don't I'm sorry. I have I have diabetes. So, my mouth is I understand what the book says. What he said. I said what? Hold up a second. What about if this is HSC? No, you can't because I cannot bring the

unit inside that facility. You think I going to be allow this company to bring material to 750 space? I will control. I do this for 23 years. Some people know me. Yes. Yes.

For that many years. You know me very well. Borby know me very well. You never have issue. Borby came to me when I purchased that sleep. He said we need to make handicap. Me and him without any notes. He came to my restaurant on the closet together. He said if you remove the door here put this this this I did did the sketch plan. We did 45 years. We have to work together guys. create something good for this people. I don't have any violation. You should appreciate what I'm a good labor but I keep this that in a good shape. But if you're going to rules like this, I can't I know the office business is permitted because it's but it's not construction. So the Jason said, "What about if they going to bring AC unit inside the what's wrong with that? What's wrong with that? If somebody order online they order somewhere you pass it then they call customer next couple days in what's the problem I forgot from my car some small pieces contractor capacitors pling some small stuff what's wrong with that or you going to restrict that And you're going to say, "No, you have to have some material 24 by 24 and four pounds." Seriously, no. You can't do like that. You can't restrict somebody business. This is their own business. I understand in general. I do understand. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. But I'm very frustrated with very frustrated because we never had

this issue before. Now all years become worse. Is this your goal? Absolutely. We have to make it better improve it for the entire community. They need handymen of course they HBC of course of course they need services. It's old houses. Who's the community? Lower middle class. I give you the other example. Uh a dealership new cars all. Are you kidding me? You think somebody going to a new dealership in never ever why you cannot use the used car they need to cost three four $5,000 what's wrong with that on my I cannot rent it secondhand store the new clothes why why not what's the difference between used clothes and new clothes the same clothes why not So the people who create this I'm sorry to say that I don't know anything about why you but not you person why this what you want to do what you supposed to just sust like I tell you right now but we need to do something in this case you can't determinate one business permitted condition was permit and nothing HBC electric and roofing company very sorry guys but you have to do something

how you going to do I don't know I'll be I'll be back but it's going to I don't know to whom I need to go to you as a planning or the other one because this is first time I have decision this is I mean book you should very consider it very well the whole business is over here it's a list that not at all you should make a copy of that and go through all the businesses oh very important I just mentioned on site permit appliance repair they can't bring any parts to the offices but they can bring food over there. Are you kidding me? You imagine love mover and appliances as the same as a jewel. Is this this is comparable business repair and repair and repair. The lawn repair 100% needs to go. It's nasty, noisy, glyc. So, how you going to do that? I just bring it that's very important issue or make my life better for sure but I can grant it easy because I lost when I have people like that I lost over $1,000 half of January full I have a guy come over long ago I'm sorry

and I told him I left message I told him the same thing. 500 people to come. I'm not going to repeat what he said. People cannot find other spaces or they look very absolutely what else I can rent to the back of my only business. This is only and Used to be. Yes. I used to have air conditioning company for probably seven eight years. No, you I give you example for this roofing company. They work somewhere. They do the roof. Yeah, you're not allowed to put their props. Yes, I agree with them. I will control what's happen sometimes situation. They're working until 9 10:00. They have to dump their old shingles material somewhere. I don't know how they proceed that somewhere they cannot somewhere 9 10:00 in the road they cannot park that truck in say over here early morning what's wrong I couldn't see the problem this is occasion it came over this is kind of part of the business not it's not going to come every week and check and it's my contract with these guys that's going to clear says business office only

it's a part of the business sometimes you have to come to the real life they cannot say to the property owner it's 6:00 I'm sorry we have to leave because we have to dump Guys, finish because now it's going to be rain. No, no, no. We can't serious. We have to come to the real like I said before houses they need roofing plas. I'm done. issues. Are you going to determinate that my speech? Thank you very much for your attention. Listen,

well, first first off, first I'm going to say thank you for your comments. Uh thank you for being at Overland for quite a few years. Uh and your dedication to the community. uh clearly you've run a uh very good business over all these years and so your comments are very much appreciated and they will be uh taken to consideration. I can say that on my on my on my part. Is there additional comments or questions for him? Thank you. I didn't answer because I do this business. Yes, sir.

Yes. And you know what? I tell you one thing. I don't really remember this guy Sherry. You remember Sher? One time she called me and Corby he was director he got something on my I don't remember what is there she called me she said Jim Borby said call you and you have to fix it that way understand the relationship

no official note or something like that when I have to fix days no just said that's it simple as And he knows do you know how I pass inspection? Marshall trust me once every other inspection trust next month is a mar I will do whole fire for the whole I'm not supposed to I want to make sure all the fire we're talking about 40 of those check it with a professional then I call fire marshal I did Then I collect the money because I don't this how I conduct business. You can see me every day. I clean nice.

All right. Thank you again. Thank you sir. I really appreciate for your time. Thank you. patient to my speech. Thank you, sir. We appreciate you. All right. Uh should I come back on with that issue on six night? On nine. All right. I do have a question. Yes, sir. What's the book that you're referring to? What is the big book that you have in your hand? My what? The book. The book. Oh, the book is is this is the zonic determination for the city of Overland. Yeah, of course. Yeah. This is from 2009. Okay. Yes.

Because nobody confirmed me what you have a new and my basic attention with my name. I don't know whom you make for yourself or for me or public. I don't know. I think it's a money. Sorry. I don't know to whom you make it. Nobody uh city call confirmed me was they changed letter of intent. I got email I came over. Oh, now I see. I mean I disagree because it's only two lines where you can describe your business. But it's okay. Yes, sir.

Yeah, that's okay. But anything else? No. Thank you. Thank you, sir. I appreciate Thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much. this small brochure when the K going to be back I will give it she take a I mean with her Yes sir she's going to make a cop and see how you guys going to read that business Yes sir thank you okay thank you for our director's reports to the commission yes sir

um excuse Exc me per section 400685.A procedure to amend approved conditional use permit administrative amendment. The following have been approved. Amended conditional use permit for 1530 Fairview Avenue was amended and approved administratively by the director of community development. The business which is a general construction contracting service is expanding. business owner has not changed nor has the building itself changed ownership. The notable the only notable changes to the business operations are the hours of operation which have decreased by two hours weekly which is less than 15% of the total hours of operation and all other operations remain unchanged. That's all.

Thank you. any unfinished or new business we touch base on with Mark. I have a comment about the gentleman who spoke with us. Yes, sir. Um there's something I'm not sure his previous actions have been as pristine as he presented. Yes, sir. Katie Katie would know better and I think that Katie should be brought up to speed on this. Yes, sir. Um I can't remember the details. was when I first joined the commission a long time ago and he's been before before this commission u three or four times in the last 15 or 20 years and generally this is what happens.

Oh so I I think some of the things he said are very legitimate. I'm not sure they are. say if we're looking at zoning determinations and how to plan a community, a gentleman who's been making money off a building for 20 years that contains a liquor store, a bar, a marijuana equipment, facility, a laundromat. Uh, now he has strong opinions because one person had to go through a conditional use permit or construction office. That's my two cents. And I I think the real issue here is is what whatever the whatever the fee is. That to me is the issue

and I don't think that's going to change. So part of parts of this are, you know, there's probably a ring of truth that there are many uses that we have a lot of conditional uses and we have a lot of conditional use permits and that sort of thing. But I think there's been at least some internal discussion about coming up with a almost like a permitted plus in a in a sense of you can do let's say you know 12 other businesses or 30 other businesses or pick a number so long as they follow these additional rules they'll be permitted as a right and a lot of them are us kind of digging through old cups and saying which is essentially what is the no-brainer list you know and coming up with here's what works in certain areas and here's what works if there's a few additional wrinkles that being no outdoor storage or you can't store uh your bobcat and stuff like that. So there is a discussion internally of trying to come up target and find a way where we can kind of again cut through some of having to come here and necessarily uh have all these no-brainers. Now there will always be things that need to come before the commission.

Definitely.

Um there will always be reasonings. there will always be, you know, my goal is not to limit your authority or what you consider. Um, it's more to target things that we consistently see as no-brainers and try to kind of whittle those down and see what about those make them no-brainers. Is it parking? Is it storage? You know, I'm targeting those two. Those are the easiest to think about. But um that's kind of an internal goal that we've talked about coming up with a way where we could triage essentially. Some of these things probably don't need to be conditional, but they also don't need to be permitted as of right where everybody can just do whatever. There has to be some kind of middle ground and finding that is kind of something we're discussing

at least to present to you which would then be you know um but that's kind of one of the ideas present. Well, well, this process is necessary, you know. So, it brings people to a space where you can't say I wasn't told. I didn't know. Um, so if if they are no-brainers, you know, but they still go through the same process. So, you can't say we didn't tell you. I had no idea. You had an idea. You knew everything. You knew everything that was given unto you, you know, the same process for everyone, which I definitely agree this process to me it works. Some some things are quicker than others. Uh, but all things need to be reviewed and discussed. I believe I strongly believe that, you know, because a great city, want to keep it that way, and we're here for the same purpose, to keep Oland an amazing city to live in.

Well, in the in the time I've sat up here, it the the process is it's educational. Definitely. Um the first meeting I came, I just sat to see what was going on. The lady that wanted to open the uh the adult daycare, but she didn't have any access. She didn't have any parking. Yeah. She just Oh, well they said I could I could put it in here. Well, did you think about these other things? And so it was an educational process for her as much as it was for everybody else. Yeah. And not all property owners are created equal.

Very true. work with us a ton. I'm not categorizing anybody because that also requires buying own property. It's my position force. Yeah. So it creates this kind of push pulls.

Yeah. kind of stepped in and said, "Just give us."

Yeah. Was a PUD offered to this gentleman? To this gentleman? Not to my knowledge. But I think Yeah, I just off the top of my head, maybe everything with five or more doors or something. Maybe set a limit there. I mean, two or three door strip mall, I don't think it's necessary, but I think there's probably what, eight doors thereish, 10,

I think. So, and part of this is easier because I can't bring these jackinary stuff. What else? to my knowledge.

So yeah, certainly something.

Thank you. Thank you all for that. And I do think a roofing contractor office, which is kind of what this is best described as, yeah, that should go through this process. I agree.

Well, I mean, even if it's just office use, but with all the materials and, you know, potential cars, you know, most time a roofer has cars and everything associated with it, not just some person in a in a door. But there, that's the reason this goes through this process. There are some uses that are a little overlapping everything is convenience store how it was. We need a more staff targeting those

finding the times when we can fix them and we don't You're not proceed

put out the fire when it happens because you don't know where the fire is going to happen sometimes. You know, one of the big lessons that that I learned with more foods and also the the property on on road, the fires seem to occur in the same place.

Yeah. And so we we need to do whatever we can to do some fire prevention. The nice thing about it doesn't matter.

Thank you. Any additional comments or questions from the commission?

Up up that way. Liberty our manufacturing.

He said C2, but I'm not sure there's a C2. I was trying to look at that online when I was talking. C1 C1 C1 neighborhood pharmacy out

fluidly fluid. Just look at Page Avenue. Yeah, it's not So again,

because he wants to rent to somebody that Yeah. Also, I think you always have to take into account the residence. Definitely agree. Definitely agree. Any additional question or comments from the commission? Anything from the audience? No. Enough. Say something else. Well, I open the floor for a motion to ajourn. Second. Thank you, Steve. Thank you, mayor, for that second. All those in favor?

I. All those who oppose means adjourned at 706.