Council - Regular Meeting

warm day. Perfect. Thank you. I think one will be brought because we're all right here. Ernie, you better go grab you some. Got some pepperoni. We got pepperoni just for Ernie. Just for you.

I ate something here a couple couple hours ago. I'm not hungry at all. And I printed the breakdown for the fire department mix up their their ask of the 210. So Yeah.

After all these done, what are these? Negative. Well, no, I know. I know. Uh is that everything or is that the first 530? Yeah, this is if you those are the wage increases. That's what would be left over. And then if you approved all these that's where we would be. Same with over here. This is where we're at. If you approved these asks, that's where we would be at. Wage increase. stands additional position will be 92. Gotcha.

Yeah. So, it's broken down by section. So, you'll have a total before. That way, if you need to play with numbers, it's a little easier. Gotcha. saying that over the numbers or the pizza.

Um the first thing I don't remember what it was that were number 3,000 if They added a decon shower with it.

The number ones were the have to. Yes. I'm sorry. I need to do what? Where are we going to kick this off at? 42,000.

Where would you like to kick it off at Ernie? want to talk about enterprise first or general don't matter. The 25 grand

for the carpet.

Carpet. thing we had settled on last time the EMS tactical here was not need necessarily and then the extra money for the extrication was not up there. So that's 44 if you all

down that far

want to go that way. You know what we didn't include in this case? about that meeting. That third day I got home, thought about everything and I said, "Oh no,

cameras are in here." No, from last year what was proposed for cameras all around town. Oh, no. But I just want like cameras at the community center. Cameras there. Cameras at the dog park. Cameras at the community center there in the proposal that was in there. Yep. that was in it was I thought it was just for the DVR DVR just a DVR 6,000 for the DVR but I don't know once they get the DVR and what could potentially

what that looks like yeah they are older cameras 2010 10. Well, we need to start someplace. So, start with general.

General So, the wage increases would be the 6% for all employees that did not receive um that percentage increase uh a couple months ago. And then the proposed increase to fire at 25,000 which would be for his pay per call and relief drivers that haven't had a change in quite some time. And then below that would be your expenses for fire. They ask of 210,881 and then the 140 for the two new police SUVs and then 25,000 for carpet for general government.

So I assume our numbers on that were light last week because we're at 120 last week. No, 140. 150. I thought it was 140 for the police. I thought it was 140.

It was 140 or 70. So if you went ahead and approved all of that right now, we would have to dip into reserves at 194,77376. I think we need to give everyone their first asks and of importance to me. I mean, fire chief, it's those believe it's those four on top for him. Get to his and then I can give an exact. It's that 42,000. Um, and then new unit, at least one new unit for our police and then the general government. And to me, it's one of those at least starting there. But that's just

but the other thing that we have to do like uh we have to do the roof that is a non-negotiable in my thoughts on it. We have to do it. So I would say those um those that stuff and then for sure for sure the roof the roof that would be 82 82 for he was really wanting to do the update on the women's bathroom

as well as the decon decon barrels. I would suggest we start with the weight raises and start at the 181,000.

Yeah, I mean I guess that I'm sorry that's where I was. Yes. So the raises across the board is like it's kind of So I was mapping everything at home. I didn't know Lexi was going to do that for us and so I had went through and math everything at home. Um but yeah, I was starting at that just everyone with the 6% increase the in the proposed increase to the fire as well starting at that 181 doing the 42,000 for those four asks for fire one police vehicle at 70,000 and then a 25,000 for the capital at the general government. Um, which leaves us $44,1724 if we did those three. Um, that still gives us enough.

Did that include the No, but that's what I'm saying. That's that's just for the those top asks for everybody. I don't think we need the carpet, the 25 grand. No, no, the carpet is not No, that's what I was just as just No. So, that was that was already cut. That was already taken off. That's what this is. 25 grand on the 25 general is the carpet. So, I don't think we should do that. It It was in repairs and maintenance and right and so originally we had it down at 50, right? We changed that and so I just put it in there so you guys could see the numbers. I had a feeling it would probably get cut because we had discussed

so that's why I pulled it out of general and put it into the capital. Okay. So, okay. I guess I thought that was the big ask for you guys. So, then that 25 then for the cameras and the upkeep cameras. The DVR was already in there. No, no, no. Here cameras here. They have it. It was just one and it was just a repair. Yeah. 1,500 for the one in the lobby. That be kept in there. Fire department asked for 10,000 for a security camera. Security camera system. But the one repair here was still there.

And then it was the money for the DVR at the 6,000 for the DVR at the community center.

Yeah, cuz it was I guess it was for the building maintenance for uh was 20,000 and then security cameras was 5,000 for this one for the general government. And and carpet was in there and was carpet. Yes. Those three were all in there. And then we took out carpet. And then that's where we had the 26 thou or 25,000 left in the budget. Mhm. That's why we took out 25,000. Mhm. Well, okay. And that's where I'd put it here because technically that would be more of a capital because it's a one time. So I put it here knowing it would likely be taken because when I got the prices on the carbon it was 245.

Yeah. And then I figured if it was approved, we wouldn't do it till like next winter. And so I left some le. What I just wanted to make sure was that it is in the budget for building maintenance and for security camera and that it's that that's in here. It was pulled out. The 25 for the carpet just for the carpet was pulled out and put in capital. Right. But the other stuff she's asking about was kept in there. Everything else stayed. That's where I was just trying to make sure I was like I wasn't understanding your question. Just the carpet was pulled out of that

and that was here. Okay. So that's where Okay, perfect. So then I can minus that one. So then we are at $69,1724 with the top ask for the fire and one police vehicle. It's just Yeah, that's where I just wanted to Well, I have a question you guys. I I understand what we're all trying to do, but if we were only to do one police vehicle, isn't that ultimately going to put us behind on what we're how we've been trying to do it? Yes. Yeah.

Which brings up without trying to throw a wrench in the works, what what we briefly talked about looking at a lease on police cars and then that puts us even farther behind. I don't think we should do leases then because then we'll be out for so many years paying for it and then we won't Yeah, but it only effectives year by year, but we can't buy any more. It limits our money because we're committed to those funds for at least three years. So, we can can do that, but that's built into the budget. We're committing the future years to those those funds.

I understand that. But it's going to change this number down here initially opening up to put it elsewhere. But then we're going to have to commit to that amount whatever that amount comes up to be for two more years if we do it on a three-year term. And if we continue to have if there was a potential that we're having issues with vehicles, we're stuck keeping those vehicles because we're in the lease. And if we were to break that lease, that's a bunch we could potentially get penalized for that.

Like if we if if we needed to phase something out because it's $1,000 less at a time. We can't just shoot it out. Well, a warranty should cover that three years. So, we shouldn't get into that situation. We get into that, then they replace it. And if they if it won't stay running and keep having problems and I'm going to assume that buying or I mean leasing is going to be more expensive for than to buy it. It's a little bit more.

Um yeah, the interest rate is usually pretty good so we don't pay an astronomical amount. But are we buying But it would break up the c the capital outlay now. We're just push but that means we're just pushing it down the road and it's like I don't want to push it down the road. Every time we need to trade in a vehicle we're going to be upside down which is not a good thing either for the town. We could excuse me. We could potentially be upside down. could maybe two vehicles for three years. You've been involved in the leasing, right? What do you think about it?

You know, it's a way to spread that cost out. Like I said, when we got into it before, I wasn't a major fan because it did uh tie our hands. So, when we come to the next year, then we're looking to replace because basically the way we had it, and I don't know if it's still this way, but we were looking at, you know, two vehicles a year to roughly roll through and get through the fleet. Um, so what that did is it hamstrung this the next year. Um, and what we ended up doing was prepaying uh early. So we ended up having some extra funds that were coming in. So what we did is went ahead and paid off that lease um for that vehicle and then were able to then apply funds towards the purchase of the next vehicle,

which we could do if we got ahead on some funds that we don't have available right at the moment. But it took us several years to get ahead enough get ahead enough to pay it off early so then we could roll into getting vehicles outright. So we weren't committing the next years to because once you go down that road then you have to do the catchup of let's hope there's extra money. we can pay it off early so then we can budget for something else needed

or once again you get into that threeyear lease on two vehicles. Okay, you've got a set amount and you know you're going to have to renew that for two more years. Okay. Somewhere in between there, like next year's budget, maybe we can get away with just one new police vehicle, but then that and hopefully get ahead that way by the time we get to the end of the three-ear leaves, but I think back behind we would we would always be behind on the potentially. Yeah. Um depending on what future years bring. Mhm. uh revenue wise.

The other option we have is we have another $70,000 in there, but that means we won't be able to do anything additional in the capital to fit in stick within the budget. I know the roof is set out of two 42,000 or 40,000 40,000 Mhm. Yeah. The roof replacement after those four Mhm.

And we've made roof repairs this last year. Is that correct? They're chasing leaks. They get one fixed minute. Spring somewhere else. 431. What was that? Uh 42. So, we'd be at 69. And then if we say we did the roof, it would be 29,000 left. If we did the top asks, the roof and one patrol vehicle.

We could you could also split the difference and buy one outright. A good lease on one. I just going to say I mean that would let you fit the roof in and plus have the money left over to cover the lease and then that only puts you one in the hole for the be interesting to know how many years that our vehicles are actually getting like from the very time that they're brought in. Is Mike in here? Yeah. Chief Thompson, could you by chance tell us how generally how long what's your question? um from the very first time we bring where is it your vehicle

um that we bring a vehicle in and say we are at the very end of okay now it's time to rotate it out how many years is that would you say give or take who's assigned to like my vehicle is 2019 or 2020 it's got 45 miles on six.

So I don't put as much miles on say as like a pro officer and like an investigator, you know, they don't put the same miles on. So like those particular units could go 9 to 10 years because of the lower miles that Yes, it does. Thank you, Mike. But I was getting of just if we're doing that lease that means every three years we are putting new it's not just the car it's all those extras you got the cage cage you have everything that you are doing that you have to do every three years for every single one of these vehicles instead of

No the lease is a lease to own so it never goes back we we just basically instead of paying 70 grand of the money up front we put that out over a three-year term spread it over but it's not a lease like you're thinking it's not least And then they take it back. No, it is a lease to own. So we keep it at the end. So we don't have to re retrof refit the vehicle. We do. Yeah. Yes. No, we would have to refit the vehicle if we don't continue with that same model and stuff like that because the stuff changes once we trade out the vehicle then. Correct. Correct. So we will not have to spend any money prematurely of trading out the vehicle. Right. But some stuff some equipment will transfer over. Well depending on like we had talked in the budget stuff though. I mean, we had just approved all new equipment for these two new vehicles because once you start moving that stuff over, you know, you're going to have issues.

Correct. I mean, there's potential for issues and changing of technology. So, yeah, that was my thing that I was curious if we were if it goes back after the lease or how that exactly that works.

It's ours once we pay it off and if we pay it off early, then they send us the title and Mike, what are your opinions on the leases? So the when you do the leases like the radios, radars and camera systems will have those disinstalled and reinstall all the other equipment can be a part of the lease. It used to be they when they did a vehicle body in a frame, they just left it that way for 20 years. They don't do that anymore. So we're stuck with that. So, as far as lease, yes, it's good. We've done those in the past to catch our fleet up. The interest rates are higher, but it does hamstring us to future budgets, right? Um, now, should we have the extra money to pay them off, that that helps, but what we can't predict, and I think that's the downfall the least, because we can't predict what those future revenues will be for the community. Like right now it looks promising but all that can change with a president or governor or economic crash, right? So then we're just stuck to what we're stuck with.

And so like right now we budgeted to buy outright two units uh at 140,000ish mark. Now, if we're going to do a lease program, you probably do three units for like 80,000. I think I'd have to go back and look and that's a a number that actually can 80 a year or 80 80,000 a year. I think it's about it was between 19 and 20ome,000 depending on the vehicle price and the upfitting. Um, yeah, I think the highest payments were like 20 something,000, like the lows per unit.

So, if if you would consider if you're going to consider that instead of doing one or two units, I would ask we go with potentially three, which is still considerably less than 140 give or take. Again, we can't predict that future. And we don't have to pay off all three. It could be one or two or whatever if we're having extra money because we've got at least three units. Two of those if we're going to go into a lease program. Um they're going to eat us up in maintenance upkeep costs in in years to come. So if we're going to look at that, I would prefer we get rid of those three moving forward all in one, which is still less. Thank you, Mike.

Not opposed to leases. I think we just have to look at it objectively in the future how we want that to work. The other thing we could do is buy one outright. That leaves 29K that we could also sit there and then see how things go and decide whether we want to do a lease for a couple more, whether we have some money and want to buy another one. Here is the month rule. So, we leave that $30,000 accessible for that purchase, which is halfway there. Almost every 40 some interest.

No, I mean if we buy one outright. So 70 just buy one total and then yeah, we'll have that money left over depending on where we go that we could look at leasing. But he's saying if Mike if revenue comes in higher than anticipated then we could purchase another one outright like midway through the year or something. We'll have you basically would roll leave this money allocated for that. Okay. And um then we look at needed additional funds on top of it. Of course, another option. I mean just all the options we've got. Well, I know my Yeah, definitely need the roof

needed patrol and then fires need all their stuff, the bunker boots and replacements and helmets. And the only other thing, guys, and I know it's down the list a little bit, but the only other thing that I thought the generator would have rated up a little bit higher. I think they're going to try and go after say they just opened up some more grant funding. Okay. But what if cuz I know the barrel sauna if they did the whole thing it would be 23,000 but if we just did the sauna that would be 8,000. That's a number three.

Yeah. Cuz that helps them when they come out the fire to get everything out and it's help helping mitigate cancer. Um, it's proven that when they sweat all those things out, when they come back from the fire right away, then as Mark explained it, cuz he said, you can shower and shower and shower and you're still seeping it out of your pores like 3 days later. Well, can they live? Just keep patching for a minute.

I mean, can they keep patching the holes up there and wait another year and do that? It's It's the original roof. I think it's going to start start up. Yeah, the roof is costing us dearly. Yeah, we I think the barrel somehow is just gonna have to wait. I mean, if it's that great, Casper, I'm surprised they haven't had one yet. Does Casper not have one? I don't know if they do or not. That I don't know that they do.

Well, if we did do the barrels, it would be down to $21,17 if we did. Just running numbers. We can at least go with Can we go agree on the 6% increase across the boards? This is what would be proposed in the budgets. Well, that's what I'm just asking of like are we in agreement with that? We can't make official decisions. No, but I'm just trying to get That's why she's saying wording. It doesn't matter. We can't decide this or No, but I wanted to

be a decision that's made just asking questions. Yeah, everybody's thumbs up for including it in the budget. Yeah. Okay. So, we're all good there. At least starting starting point there. Um the start of 42,000 with the fire or that's those top the bunkers, the radio, bunker boots, helmets, those. Yes. Okay. And then one patrol car for I'm doing

police Ernie. So, so when we say that, are we saying purchase one patrol unit? Yes. Purchase purchase it out, right? Purchase it out, right? Is what I'm Okay. And that includes the upfitting and everything. And you said that was 40 something. 70 70 half. Okay. So, where it says 140, it would be for two new police SUVs, it would just be the 70 for one at the 70. And then the roof for 40,000. Yeah. Yes. Okay. And so it cost us more money.

Yeah. No, I agree. But that's where it was just like Okay. Um just wanted to try to figure out where we are with that. We So are we did we did Wait, wait, wait. Did we de cuz remember they he put the roof and the transfer tank/toolbox bundled. Are we un we unbundled that is what you're saying. I I unbundled it just because I'm just like, look, we're okay. Like, I I mean, I know that he wants that, but at the same time, I'm like, look, we're okay. Get a roof. That's a That's a Yeah, generator, right? So, but with just those Mhm. we're at $29,17.

I think we got d we got more another 25 grand because we didn't put the increase to fire in the volunteer side. Or unless you were including that in the 6%. I you were intended that to be included. Hold on. So the proposed increase at 6%. So you got to do the 89 plus. Hold on. I I my starting number was the 181. Okay. That includes the 25, right? That was my that was my starting. Sorry, I didn't I didn't clarify the 6% and the increase. I'm following you. So the 42 and the 40 and the 70 I show it's a left over 42,773

180 181 10724 24 42 Yep. 24 minus 42,000US70,000 for the police and then minus 40 again for the roof. That's $29,17. Oh, I was looking at that one. Sorry. Yep, you are correct. I was looking at my bottom number, Alana. Yep. Okay, so we're at the 29 107 24 left over.

Left over with just those asks. Okay. Um, so now we're at the Okay, do we want to try to lease another vehicle? Do we want to try to hold off and see what comes in and potentially get another police vehicle? Where are we at? I prefer lease two. H I think I I prefer to buy outright sit on that 29 where we go allocate that towards right we're almost halfway to so being able to purchase another one the balance for an option

to buy another one. So if we do that with that the remainder of that balance that number will be allocated to that correct? Yes or no? Potentially or not. Yeah, it it's remaining in the budget. Yeah. So, we're looking at it. That's what the overage would be. So, we're looking at that and then as things come in, if we're coming in higher than higher higher than anticipated, then we have this starting point right here that could be the jumping point for adding to. Or if we don't, we can revisit the leasing option and cut that cost, right?

Not have to purchase at like the six month mark or something, you know, see where we're at. And then if you want to look at a lease, um, we would have enough left over in the budget for a lease payment at the end of the year with that 29,000. That make sense? I hear what you're saying, but it wasn't I didn't necessarily feel like it was a yes or no answer, but it's okay. So that 29,000 will go potentially towards the use for a new vehicle, whether it be lease or buyout. Okay, that's all I need to know.

What' you say? I didn't see nothing. Oh, that was him. Packing up a lunk. Another way to look at this, too. If we're cutting down the police SUVs by 50% by purchasing one from 140 down to 70, we take 50% from the wish list of the fire department and uh consider the $25,000 savings in carpeting. We'll have a positive $5,226. What if we cut 50% from the PD,

50% from the FD fire department from like the total the 210? Oh, okay. I'm sorry. I was just interpreting. So, we're not not specific, but just the rough numbers. We'll be just at 5,226 positive. So you're saying allocate more towards instead of a specific item cut, right?

We couldn't even give, you know, fire chief, you know, um just overall what he really needs. You know, he has a roof. Yes. Top floor. Yes. Um the bathroom and but he'll have 50% of what he asked for just as the PD got 50% of what they asked for. be one purchase or two leases or three leases we decide. I'm just saying a percentage a different way of different perspective to look at to make a good budget. Yep. That is fair. Make it sound good now to put the numbers to it to make it happen.

Well, the numbers work. just would mean that we would not have that money left over for you could also look at the 25,000 increase

up there for the wages for part-time and stuff going towards I mean you can look at it both ways you know technically he didn't include that in here so we yeah I guess I see what you're saying include as part of Yes. So, Chief, question for you. Yes, sir.

How bad do you need two new vehicles versus one? Uh, how much you want to spend money on repairs? We're back to the nickel diamond. Um, but the two that you're looking to replace with these two here, is there one that's much worse than the other whatever? What's the feeling on that? You

can't keep it charged for whatever reason. Battery won't stay charged even power disconnect. That's priority one to get rid of. And the other one's at I think 60 some thousand miles. It smokes a little bit up there. So, I don't know how long we'll keep it running, but if we keep it, then that's going to do our maintenance. So, if we replace the one with the charging problem and then try and baby the other one along for and try and replace that. So probably start with one six months see how revenues are need or whatever. So if we replace 71 I'm going to guess because we should get a higher trade in port. No guarantee 20 but if we get 20,000 trade even if we do all new equipment upfit we probably around the 62,000 markish minimally. um graphics alone like bucks to put the stickers we'll carry over the radio the radar and the camera system like now if we go to dodge to dodge I don't really want to do saves money but we're not getting rid of these problems we can do that and save Yeah,

I understand that. So, we'll look at one new one and leave the option open. If we get a killer trade on it and upfit maybe comes in a little less, that would be more money that cuz you have 70 approved. So

if it came in at 60, that'd be another 10 to add to that 29. If so, when I talked to if we roll some of the equipment because not all of it will roll over from the current Dodge to a product and with that with the pieces that don't roll over and labor it was about 24,000 new equipment across the board is running about 28 to 29,000. a little bit more and just get you all the way across the board. How long do you think it'll be best case scenario before you be fully staffed?

Well, question. So, we're going to see. So, I've got I just put two in backgrounds. One will probably get done within a month. I've got one that I've asked to be patient with us because even if I on board them at on trainers, which they two because we're within one if I picked up the certified officer and I had an applicant fail. So theoretically I'd only be down two positions as long as these were background. Um, I honestly I halted the advertising just because I can't train all the right now. So I within probably month and a half I'll reopen because officer Welch will be on her own. Madding will go for me to I'll take on the new one. Uh, at that point then I'll start opening up advertising trying to fill last position. So, what I'm hearing is you'll have two people probably by July 1. You'll be down two people starting the beginning of this fiscal this next fiscal year. It's going to take you a minimum of a couple of months into that fiscal year in order to do that, that goes a long ways towards this other vehicle. So, if we leave the 29 grand there and you're ended up not filling a position for two or three months, we've got the other purchase right there

in the budget already. I don't know where because I haven't had a chance to run my numbers lately, so I don't know where I'm going to be at in the current budget. probably be some extra in current budget. That's a legacy question right now. But even I I'm highly doubt you're going to be able to be fully staffed start July one even if you're best case scenario in my guess. So there would be some potential uh money left there because we full we are budgeting for a fully staffed apartment, right? So, we're going to have that couple of months of sta staffing shortages which would lead towards this purchase which would get us I would guess probably 90% of the way. So, you're thinking of going with two of them versus two of them.

Whereas going with current budget if there's enough in the current budget you can split that if there's enough to at least pay the purchase and the up. So that cost up a little bit. So you say you're saying purchase one and then possible with the savings if it sends out that long that would recoup enough money to purchase another one. Yeah, I would say even without a sales tax increase that you would have the money there to make that second purchase within a couple of months. I mean, but that brings up a good point of where you're currently at as well. Yeah. I gave you.

Yes. I mean just kind of get general ideas what I was I was trying to I think that's a good point really quick and easy and that doesn't require you know an uptick in sales tax or anything like that that would just be under normal operations any feel free to sit at the table see that's where I'm kind of losing you here I I I don't want to go into the red me either on any of it so but I don't see how we can do half of what they're asking for and not. Yeah.

So that's where I'm having my problems. If we take the overall town, so when you look at the little blue line, that's why I break it down. Can you tell me what they are?

I like to see these higher numbers. So the total cost, the total cost, compirement, all that stuff. So if you look at an open position at the top, you've got three yellow positions, right? So if the proposed so the total cost 101 divide it up by 12 months, mind you, I know it goes by a pay period, but one position by a month, that's 8,400. I'm talking cowboy math, but you go along with what you're talking about. So if we don't fill two positions in one month, that's $16,940 roughly. And it's not just by the pipe period. Um, but by that 3 months is 50,845 and not

that's 50,000 and 29 is 70, right? Something 80. So that's right there. That covers it within three months. We can cover it without I don't know what's going to be left in the current budget, right? But that can also be that option if we split up potentially the cost of the subur there's enough money left over to that. I don't again I don't know where I'm at right now. But that's another good offset. If you could buy like gear for the new vehicle, something like that. That's a Yeah. That we know what vehicle you're going to get. You buy that. Yeah. see that being a big

So we could commit to one now and then depending on what you end up with from the current budget, what we have left over. Yeah. Within plus what he could get. Mhm. 3 months we could order another one. Mhm. I kind of like that option. How long does it take after you purchase a vehicle, find the one that you want before your officer is able to be in it? So, I don't like to order them from the factory because it's 90 days, six months, I don't know.

Well, from where if I find them on a lot that are available new on a lot, we put out the bids for what's on a lot because it's readily developable or deliverable, right, within 30 days. From there, the upfit, uh, if we're ordering new cage and stuff, we're talking about a 12week lead time, give or take, to get those because they don't inventory. They have to order them. So, theoretically off the lot. So, we have the bid time approval, which is roughly 3 weeks to a month. Then upon delivery, give or take the outfit shop, it goes to there. And then we have that 12 to 14 week lead time. And the outfitter like one we've been using generally can have them together about two weeks as long as there's not parts or wrong. So like the last time they had they somehow the the cage manufacturer sent the wrong parts from the order using Dodge Ford and somewhere there's next step. So it get longer but generally 3 months at best.

Okay.

Sound like a plan. Okay. Going to shoot over to Enterprise. So, the new truck for the 60,000 would be the one Dan asked for.

And then um replacing two manholes that are failing horribly. And then the 15,000 would be for the Culver on Blackmore, I believe. Mhm. Um that really needs to be addressed at a bare minimum. Oh, wait a minute. So the this is not factored into this. You did that differently on this. Yes, I did. Sorry, I did this one first. And then you got the 6% and then Dan asked for another position for PW which would come to the 691 185. Okay, back up to the manholes. Yes, I know. We got one that needs to be done.

Yeah, third and copper. They just went and checked another one, I think last week, and it's in worse shape than the one that they asked. I haven't. This is the first I've heard of that one. Yeah, Dan came in last Friday, I think, and said they're going to have to double that. He said this one needs to be replaced because it's worse off than the other one. Is that 15 grand cover both? The 50. Both. 52. Yeah. Okay. Um cuz there was backups. Where's the second one located at? That I don't know.

But they Jan took some calls of complaints because the sewer is always backing up. And so they went and took a peek at the manhole and he said it's in really bad shape. So it's causing some problems for residents. So that's why he came in Friday and said just came just come up Friday. Well, back on the one that we knew about. Yes.

They were going to check in about possibly tying that into the the what the 2011. Okay. Is this one the same type scenario situation? That I don't know. Be nice to have those. Okay. I don't know. Let's see. Is that 60,000? Does that also include the upfitting on that? We don't have to upfit. It just has. It's just a PW. Yeah. Oh. Oh. Oh. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. I I'm sorry. I'm talking about the wrong department. Yeah, I'm so sorry. Public works.

Wrong department. I'm thinking of Sorry. Yeah. No upfitting. Okay. So, if we did the 6% wage without adding that position, we are at 1001,31.50.

Stop. Sold. Done. Stop. That's without anything else. That is just doing the 6% increase for everybody. I feel like we should have Dan's input. Does he want another man or does he want I mean because if we did the two manhole covers, we have to do the two manhole covers. There's no that's know about it. I mean, we're at 51. That's new news to me.

If we did that, we're at 51,31. So, we would not have enough to do the proposed addition um the new position or truck or a truck, but we would have enough to replace the covert on Blackmore. Well, I don't think there's any questions on the two manholes or the culvert on Blackmore. Okay. So, that agreed.

Anybody argue on that? So, but yours, what about the 6%. I mean, I feel like if we're doing 6% everywhere else, we have to do it. I agree. That's where I'm at. Okay. So, that's why I started my numbers at the 10 and1,31. That's where I started my numbers at. So, then what about a used truck? Yeah, that's nice used truck. Yep. That's where you may end up. I mean, do the manholes in the culvert that only leave us 36k left, which could get a I mean, a good decent use.

I have to settle for that now. Yeah, I think that's what we've got. That's because I don't think there's any questions on those three that we just talked about. Right. So, because on a PW vehicle, we would that's something we would not absolutely not lease. Correct. It's out of here. We never had before. We never have. That would be illusion proposition. I think I just No, no, you're fine. The only thing we've leased to purchase for them was the garbage truck last time. The newest one we did do. I think a two-year. Yeah, I think so. It was a long time ago. I know. It was right when I took over. I don't know that any thing that would exclude it.

I mean, I'm not opposed to getting a used one. I'm I'm just I'm just you know what I mean? I can understand that. Do you know how much he has left in his budget right now? No, cuz he has some spending. He's doing Well, that's where it was just I mean if we're doing I don't know how much he has right now cuz he's had to catch some stuff up. So Okay. Um,

and I think all his his wastewater budget and stuff is going to come in or his distribution, those are all going to come in higher. So, a weird question. If we did the instead of doing 60 for a truck, if we did 30 for a truck, the two man holes and the culvert, where are we where we at? six grand left. Mhm. Yeah. So, right now with the 6% increase, um the Did that include?

Yeah. So, the 6% increase and then the two manhole replace and then the uh covert is $36,31 with just that. and then 30,000 for a vehicle or I guess it's one of those we'd have to see what he could find. But what do you guys think about that? I think that's fair.

I mean, the bottom Yeah. The bottom line, I'm just not trying to be in the red. Absolutely. But still trying to attempt to make everything whole sort of thing. Attempting.

Yeah. I mean, how bad do I mean they're doing a new backo for or Bobcat for 50 50,000ster? Yeah. Yeah. Because we split it up. We split it up that So that's already 50 that we're doing. Um, it's just as far as we can go. Yeah. And I think that's more important than a new truck. Yeah. Well, that's what I was saying. If we did 30 Yeah. If we just did 30 on a truck potentially, guess what vehicle or who his vehicle is it that bad?

Well, that's where I was curious. Yeah, he got the old gray ones that really beat up and that would end up going down to parks, I say. Yeah. So, that one would get park all something that was kind of beat up and won't take a lot of miles but put it in parks with us. We won't get we won't we would not get anything. Excuse me, I'm not trying to say that wrong. We would not get anything on a trade. So we just keep it going fleet just unless we advertise it because it's going to be valued at over $500. We have to advertise to get rid of it. You take it to give you 50 cents for it.

So then we're good with the 6% manhole covers and replace the culvert and 30k for the truck. What's that? And 30k for And you want to do 30k for the truck. So that leaves us with 6,000 where we cut the truck all together or cut the truck together. See, this is where I'm just like I don't like being that close to red cuz you know as well as I do how many another big manhole cover blows out or we have another this or hell even with this building of what we got going on. Same thing they were doing with police is leave the 36k case sitting there and evaluate things in a few months.

That's kind of where I'm at with it. I would rather not allocate for a new truck and keep that and then kind of see where we're at. See where we're at. See what the actual numbers are at the end budget was. And then it's one way to go to do. I don't like being so close because once again, if we can get some kickback on on these manhole covers because of that 2011 situation and that backup of gas and if the same deterioration has happened with this second manhole that's happened with this one over here, it damn well could be the same reason. What do you mean kickback? could cost less to go there instead of the repair that they were planning. Okay.

To move it to the other line. I think that's the manhole potentially cheaper. The first manhole that was talked about is tied into the 2011. There's high H2S. Yes. And so they were going to investigate to see if that could be a cost share with Casper. Understand. And so the question cuz I I just learned about this. No, today. Um, so the question is is this other manhole Ernie's question is is this other manhole tied into the 2011? Could this be another offset of that? Yeah. Because if that

H2S backing up and creating problems for our manhole, same thing could be happen to this one. If it's the same type of deterioration and if we can get some some sharing with that, then there's more money to go towards truck form. So So we almost need to leave that open for the moment. Yeah. Okay. and and because we got to make a decision on this, but yet I'm not keeping that 36,000 and just kind of hold on to it. I don't like being So you're saying keep the whole 60?

No, not 60. No, 36. 36,3 one. Take the truck out completely for now. Right. That's what I'm saying. Wait. Yeah. Wait completely. Wait completely. She was thinking the bottom line dollar and you were looking at the truck figure. So that's where I mean that's me. I'd rather have I don't like being like even if we did that 30,000 I don't like being 6,000 close to I don't I don't want to be that close. So did you also wait on the Yeah. No position. No position. So So even and we're waiting on the truck, right?

No. Yeah. No truck. So the literally the only two things that are in there or three things I'm sorry the three things that are in there are the 6% wage increase. Yes. The twoman holes and the covert. That's it. Right. That's it. That's all. And so that leaves us with the $36,31.50. And so I personally would rather have a little bit more because we all know how

things happen and they break and just how it is. Um I rather have a little bit more in the bank than just be like, "Oh yeah, we're just going to throw 30,000 at a truck that I'm just like, let's see where we're at." Mhm. And what we get kicked back off of those manholes if it's even more if it's more or something if anything and he would go you know what I would rather have a position more than I would a new truck

then to me that would be a good his call not our call if he's got it in his like it's in his budget the budget is there if there's enough money left over or something else where it's one of those that if you would rather have a person than a truck, it's only 9,000 difference with what'sever left over in last year's budget coming over. But that's where I'm at with it.

Truck works for me. Yeah. Just to kind of like see where it levels out. Yeah. Same thing we were talking about doing with the police car. Yep. Any others that we need to make choices on? I know they traditionally have public open up. Yeah. Pray for wind. Definitely can be right in the same boat, right? Oh, excuse me. Pray for a windfall.

Yeah, that number. So, the budgets will be prepared and presented for first reading at the May 26 council meeting. We got that one. We got that one. You know, we don't have dates. Yeah. Just chairs. We're adjourning at 6:34. Yeah. Didn't know if we would run