Planning and Zoning - Regular Meeting

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feel. Hey call to order the public hearing. Uh we wanted the issue is a request for a conditional use to install a manufactured home at 402 South Persian. This was requested by John Lewis. Um, we'd like to have anybody like to speak to this you speak on it. Does anybody have anything they'd like to say out here? Nobody wants to talk about it. Well, I guess we can close the public hearing then. Do we need a motion to do that?

Okay. I'll just cover this here. I'll make a motion we close the public hearing. I'll second. Okay, we've closed the public hearing [clears throat] and we're going to go to the public meeting. Call for the vote. Huh? We'll call for the vote. You think we got a vote? Who's in favor of closing the public hearing? I I I carried. Okay. Now, we'd like to open the public meeting and call that to order. Uh we need a roll call. We want to start with Kim here. here. Keith's here. Keith Emman's here. Sherman's here. Kyle's here.

We have a quorum. We have four people. So, we would like to call the meeting to order for approval of the agenda. The new business is the acceptance or rec or rejection of request for a conditional use permit to install manufactured home in 402 South Persian. that was requested by John Lewis. Uh we have a I guess don't order I guess that JD Norris is requested to speak about this. Uh no that's [clears throat] on a separate separate matter. Okay.

Okay. We need to talk about the acceptance of the conditional use permit for the home here. Anybody have anything to say? Well, I I have no problem with as long as it meets specs on it. And I think Jared will maybe touch on that.

Uh so currently our city code uh requires that any manufactured housing placed on a on a residential lot um have a conditional use uh granted by planning or recommended by planning and zoning and granted by the alderman. Um the requirements for a manufactured uh dwelling is it has to be 22 feet in width at least 36 ft in length. Um the long side has to face a street has to be placed on a permanent u foundation uh with a masonry curtain wall or concrete curtain wall. Uh there's several several uh small regulations that go along with that. the proposal that that Mr. Lewis has has brought

um is well complies with all those regulations uh but it does require that conditional use. He provided a picture here let's see in the packet of what the house is going to look like. It's not a great clear picture u but it's what we have. Yeah. if that helps. I also have no problem with it. I would actually move to approve the conditional use application. I would second that.

Uh we have a first and a second to approve the conditional per uh conditional use permit. Now we need to have a vote. All in favor of approving the conditional use permit say. I. All in favor because there's nobody to say nay. Okay. We we'll recommend to the city council that be approved.

If I could make one little comment here. Uh I think you know we're talking about redoing the the plan some of the planning and zoning you know with with the cost of building anymore manufacturing housing is is going to be an alternative and I think it's something that needs to be probably incorporated in so we don't have to have special use permit. It just should be part of the the building code. Okay. I don't disagree with you on that. Um, and manufactured housing is a lot different today than it was 40 years ago.

That's exactly when some of this was put in. So, um, and we could still regulate that to some extent. So, so it is uh so it's not detrimental to I guess to to single family uh R1 type residential zones um with with you know some limitations some regulations but maybe we could we could get away from some of the red tape y on that as well just yep I agree okay now I guess we I'm not familiar with this but we have a request to speak by JD Norris JD See? Yeah. Speak. If you stand, come up here. Come over here. Come up here. Go. See,

that's what happens. You haven't never been to one of these. Well, you start by saying good evening. Got throw up last time I [laughter] one of these. I don't know.

Anyhow, what I'm wanting to do, I got the Truman trailer cart. Okay. Cleaned it up pretty good. And I I've got it subdivided out. I'd like to go in there and put um I want to be able to put them 16 by 40 or 50 or whatever like that because the people can afford them. You can either rent them or sell them either way. And and even the people that's living in my court now, they can afford the the bill on it. Okay? I've never had one of them cheap me out of a dime on these on because they can afford it. Everybody can't afford a $100,000 house or 80,000, but I can still build these things. I'll even put a new road in, you know, down through the center. I own the house in front, too. Come up through there. There's two acres in there. I'll put about six of them in there. Uh, put a new sewer system through it. New electric. Put it all underground. Dress it up. Make it look good, you know. And but I don't want to build them. I want to build them to there's two different kinds I want to do it. If I sell the lots to people, I want it to be eight foot on one side and 12 on the other just about like a picture was up there and have it at the front. That way if they want to add to the front of it, you know, they can turn it into a house real good because I'll set it over to the back side of the lot and that way if whenever they get the money to be able to add to it, if you put it right in the middle, then it's messes up the whole lot. And the other one, if I want to rent them, I need to keep them somewhere around anywhere from 40 to 50 foot and I can still rent them for around $400. And the payment's only half of that. It's not taking all of it to pay the money bill. And uh it would sure

help a lot of people out. I'd put 20 of them in around the area. I can put six over there pretty easy. There's two and a half. There's two acres there. I've done got it sub on paper. It's already been surveyed down. So that's what I need. Put a new road in there and everything. It'd be putting a new trailer. These trailers on these single wides are too expensive for me to bring one in. Even if you buy a used one, it still looks like junk, you know? So, I'd tear them other six down that's in there and put all new ones in there all the way through it. And we can probably put six new ones back up through there. And there's already a house that's in there now. So, I think that would work. Hey, 10 electric bills, 10 sewer bills, you know. It helps the city, too, not just me. That's what I need to do.

So, Jay, [clears throat] these would be essentially tiny houses or maybe just a hair bigger than what we traditionally call a tiny house.

They they'll be uh they'll have floor joist under them. You know, the only reason that I like to build them like that because I've had them before in other towns and if hey, if a guy's going to go under or anything, hey, he can hook to them and sell it all off and he still got the land and everything, you know. But hey, I'll put a foundation under them if that's all it takes, you know. They're built as strong as a house, you know. They got two4 walls, got floor joists. I foam insulation the floor and the walls and the top. You know, they're strong. They're a lot stronger than any of them old trailers. that I could buy and bring in there, you know, and they'd look good.

With the subdivisions, do we have uh hookups, like separate hookups for all of those different Well, I I've got a sewer system in there, but I'd run a new one because Jerry Layman put it in there and I have no part of it I know where it's at and part of it I don't. Okay. I'd rather run a new trunk through there. And I want it to all be under underground electric, too. I hate them poles. There's about 10 of them in there on that piece of property. Okay. So, that's that's my concern.

If I have to pay for the the U water meters, the I've bought water meters for everybody in there, but I'm still liable for all the bills. I whenever I put them in there the other way, then I I I'll bring them in there and let the city have their normal water bill in there on meters in there on all of them. Okay. That that'd be the best for me because, you know, hey, some of them people only get $700 on their check

and I still haven't got beat out a dime yet. So, but if I have to spend $80,000 on on a building, that don't work for me because at 8% that's $6,400. You know what I mean? Does that have that? So, that's a man a mobile home park now. So, it has to be re uh it's been used as mobile home park for a lot of years.

Has to be reowned. So, um there's a lot of moving parts on this one. Um right now, uh our ordinances, the way they're the way they're kind of worded, we talk about manufactured homes or mobile homes, um and define those as u you know, u what we're what we're used to seeing. Anything built after 1976 has got to have a HUD seal and and all the things that that that are involved in a traditional manufactured or or mobile home. Um and that's what's allowed the site built home. Um again, we still have the minimum size for the dwelling and this would be under it would be smaller than that. So, I don't know if we need I don't know what the request is if it's a if it's a change of ordinance or um some kind of special permission which may be a variance. Um but Mr. North's been talking about this and wanted to get it in front of a board and planning and zoning is a great place to start as far as that goes.

Well, that would be anything a lot of things you did be an improvement. Yeah. Uh, as far as the subdivision and and where those uh sit on the lot, um, he hasn't done we have, as far as I know, we haven't done the subdivision um, request in front of, uh, planning and zoning or the board alderman. I don't think it's been recorded yet, has it? You just got it laid out for a I do have it laid out. So, um, we have Melissa, not Melissa. Um, Elwood. Yeah, Michelle. Michelle. Yeah.

So, like I said, there's a lot of moving parts. That's the we'd have to look at lot sizes and where placement are in the lot and whether or not setbacks would apply. They would unless there was variances um otherwise or or we did some sort of a special permission on a a plan development, which I I I don't know what all the steps would be in that process. Um, I guess it would really depend on on more specifics of the plan, but u, like I said, this was a a good place to have a start the conversation for Mr. Norris. Uh, something he's kind of want to do. Buying old junk trailers and pull in there. Yeah. You know, I've done seven of them down. It was tough.

Yeah. [clears throat] Like I I think and it cost $5,000 to get rid of an old junk trailer. you know, by the time you get it all done and cleaned up and hauled out there and, you know,

Yeah. Yeah, I think the first thing that I kind of need to see is kind of a what that plan looks like in terms of like a map what we're what we're looking at like cuz I I don't know like I kind of know the lay of the land from just looking at like a Google Earth kind of thing but like what it looks like now and what the vision is is kind of the first step I think to at least for us and then once we figure out like that then we can figure out what the utility situation is and what the like if it needs varian and things like that, the setbacks or you know what is what is required. I think the first thing is get that map and and take it to the city and and take a look at it and see if it if it needs the variances and things like that or and then once once we have that written down then we can figure it out.

Cuz like [clears throat] the reason I don't want to put put them back in there just just set them like where the trailers was because I haven't had no problems with the sewer. Yeah. But I don't know where it goes. And I really can't I I can't figure out how that one that it even gets out of there because it's the pipe starts headed uphill. And I have no idea what they've done in there on the lower end of that. You know, I know how the electrical goes cuz it's all on top of the ground, but I'd like to put a new sewer system in it and, you know, put a new road in there. You know, everybody had plenty of big yard then, you know,

and uh you can control it a whole lot better. Them people over there, they live like pigs, but they can't help it, you know. I mean, me and you couldn't even sandwich in one of them houses, you know. So, we need to I need to give them new ones, you know. Maybe they'll clean their act up. So, it sounds like the first steps would be a site plan and as well as a build plan as far as what those lots look like, where those would sit on the lot and then what exactly are you looking at building? Um, and then figure out what uh what that process would look like after that or or or what the pleasure of the board or commission is.

JD, it looks to me like you got a good idea, but if you build those back where you let people start adding on and stuff, you're going to have a mess. Well, I'll I'll own them for several years. I hope if I make it that long, you know, but u you know, the lots are big enough. You know, there's two acres there and if you bust it down to even 100 by 80, that's still a bunch of locks in there, you know. But the one house up there, I br I done got showed the road come up and I'm going around it because the house is still too good to tear down. you know, I just put a new roof on it this past week on the back side and uh

Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Until I until I can see like kind of a picture of the vision, you know, then I then I can get an idea of what what would be the next I've got all that I'll I don't know when we have another meeting, but unless I can just bring it to somebody. I think you can talk to that's presented at the meet next meeting or something. We don't really have like stationary, but you can talk to Jared and if you can get it set up if you want just get all that stuff gathered up. Uh you need to conference up with Jared. Bring it up to the office and then we'll get us another that you got to get exactly what you want. You know what you're going to do, right? Yeah. That you're going to build certain size lots and setbacks.

Yeah. Then we can figure out if it's if it goes to planning and zoning, what we need to do for our side, whether or not the city is what you know what the city needs to do. What size road has to be through the center of that thing? [cough] [clears throat] Um, so we have different regulations for different size streets and I don't off the top of my head know what those are, but we can get it's laid out for a 30. Okay. Yeah. I don't know what's required, but you know, I'm just telling you what Michelle does. Oh yeah. So, I mean, like I said, the best thing we can do is get together what you've got and what you're planning on doing and bring it back up here for a little bit more. I'll get it to you within about a week. I've got it all there, you know. Thank you all.

Thank you. Oh, thank you. Well, does anybody else have anything to say? Do I have a motion to adjourn? I give make that motion. Let's I'll second. And then I guess you have to vote on it. All in favor? I I I. There you go, Kim. Thank you.