Development Review Committee - Regular Meeting

All right. Well, Martin got here, but we'll go ahead and see.

We can do a switcheroo.

All right. We'll call the meeting to order for the Development Review Committee. All five members are here, in addition to Susan and Monica. We have two cases in front of us today. We're going to take them a little out of order since you're there. first case is dp 2026-18 kelly and stephen bartholomew the project is the bartholomew agricultural building it's a 33 5600 road valparaiso indiana center township zoning is currently r1 low density single-family residential district 19.12 acres a We are meeting to discuss a development plan proposed to agricultural buildings. And before I turn it over to you guys, some of you know, but some don't. A petitioner did appear to get some variances to put, I think, their ventral drain.

Up to four.

Cabins, and they had one barn. Now they're adding two other barns. They're all going to have livestock.

It's the one barn that was already there and then one more, yeah.

Yeah. And so they already got their variances for that. We worked out an equitable arrangement so that they can continue to develop today to get the development plan for the two barns. So with that, introduce yourself and your address and your purpose of being here.

I'm Steve Bartholomew. This is my wife, Kelly Bartholomew. We're seeking permission to build the two agricultural structures. The property in question has been farmed for decades. We're not sure how many decades, but we're just continuing that. We've moved it from being a row cropped property to being pasture that will be suitable for livestock. And the purpose of that is to both rejuvenate the land, but also to create a little bit more of an allure for a customer base for the Airbnbs that we'd be putting in.

Can you describe what's your operation look like? What are you going to offer? How are you going to do that? As far as the Airbnb operation? The whole thing. I understand you have livestock and a farming.

Yeah, we're building... a post and beam barn, so not a pole barn, but it's more of a timber frame barn put together with steel plates and stuff. So it'll be a very attractive barn. So that's, as you're driving up, you'll see a very attractive building, more so than just a typical agricultural steel siding type structure. A little bit of that's on purpose, just so it's attractive for the patrons coming up to the Airbnbs. For the Airbnbs, These are going to be tiny homes, between 400 and 800 square feet, finished square footage. And basically the allure would be we want people to be able to have access to seeing animals out in the field, be able to collect eggs, that type of thing. So it's just a peaceful place for people to stay and have a little bit of a draw to it instead of just your typical place that you would stay in an Airbnb. For the farming aspect of it, we're using this property to feed our farm stand that we're going to have. that we actually have a permit for. It's built, it's sitting out there. We're just not finished with it yet. So we'll be able to use Use this property for growing whatever crops we would want for that. Also doing pasture-raised chicken, things like that for the farm stand. So this isn't a heavy-scale farming operation. The cows are there for looks. Basically, we're not raising beef. If we ever did, it would be like one cow for us, but we're not doing a stockyard or anything. The goal is to have the whole property be sustainable and be able to carry itself and not have to, we don't wanna have to bring in hay. We don't wanna have to, you know, you know, do all the things that you would have to do if you're doing a large-scale operation. So we're going to fence off enough that we can have the cows in a certain area and that we have enough unfenced, you know, for hay to be able to sustain the cows for the whole winter. So I just wanted to bring up it would not be a large-scale operation. I don't want to call it a hobby farm because I don't quite know the definitions of this, but the goal is absolutely to make money off of it. Like that's our entire purpose for doing this.

And then maybe you could explain and then work backwards. What is your eventual vision, what this would look like as far as number of buildings or types of buildings too? And then what are you asking for today? Because what you're asking for today is not the complete finished dream, is it?

Likely not. I know things escalate and people envision 50 cabins out there. That was the problem we had the first time. The most we have permission for with the variance and the most we would ever probably want would be four. We have two on the plan right now because we don't want to commit to building four relatively expensive cabins when you put them all together and then have it fit. So we'd like to start with one, if it works, build the next one, and so on. And that's why we've designed the septic to fit the barn and then up to two cabins for it. The only additional buildings I would say would be potentially a run-in shelter for animals. and then potentially storage in another larger building. We had asked permission to build the hay storage building, but there, you know, we didn't quite understand the rules for the 45-foot setback. And the place where we had figured we would build it, you know, it was within that 45-foot side setback. So then we kind of abandoned that because we're pretty desperate to just get this going. So in the future, if we can find a place to put that building that makes sense with the grade and everything, you know, because, you know, then we, you know, would potentially have that building as well. But as far as other large buildings... for the farming operation, I can't imagine anything other than what we have here. Cause I mean, this is 19 acres. It's not, you know, we're not, you know, building like giant, you know, giant buildings for this or anything.

Cause I, if I remember right, you had the, you could go up to four cabins. Yes. Small house. And then the plan I saw, you always had a big barn somewhere out in the middle.

Yeah.

And then some recent things I saw two other, structures whether or not you're building or not is so i guess what i'm getting the math is you can go up to four small houses yes and then what i saw was three other buildings is that still kind of the vision

Currently, today, it's two buildings. We have the main barn and then the smaller barn. We did have the third barn next to all of it, but we thought that we could build within 15 foot of the line. And when it turned out that it was 45 foot, that put the building in the middle of the driveway, so we kind of abandoned that because we were trying to figure out how to get this... how to get this going so we get the barn built before before winter because we're we're on the hook for the barn like it's actually it's a kit it's been cut and it's basically waiting to be shipped to us right now so like a like a lincoln log or tinker toy well it's similar so today you're asking for a game we could say today i wanted to get your vision make sure yeah good

So if you could repeat again today exactly where you had permission on your development plan to construct.

So today we'd like permission to build the main barn. We'd like permission to build the, I guess, called the secondary barn that would be next to it. We need to build the driveway in order to build the barns. What else do we have? That's really the cabins.

We don't have any current architectural plans for the cabins. I hope to do those next year.

Okay.

So I'm not sure, since those are already approved through the variance, will we have to come back for another DRC meeting once we get the plans for those? Or since they're on this current plan, that's where they would be at that location?

The original DRC meeting we had, we talked about septic, we talked about the cabins and all that. So do you have a development plan that had all this?

We had the cabins on there.

Yeah, we had all four on there before.

And they haven't changed location. Okay.

Go ahead, Susan. The development plan for approval today has two cabins and the two barns that they've described. So if this is granted, then they would be able to pull building permits for those cabins and the barns over the next three years, this development plan would be good for. If they were ready to build the additional two cabins before the three years is up, they would have to submit a new development plan that would depict those new cabins on there.

That would just be like an amendment to the original ones.

It would be an all-new development plan.

No, but I mean they wouldn't have to do the whole site over again since they would have done a portion.

They would have to do the whole site over again. If for the two in the back that aren't on this one, but if we just want to do those two in the front, we're good then?

Yeah. Okay. If you approve this development plan today, they'll be able to pull permits for those four structures within the next three years.

Okay.

That's fine. Yeah.

Any other questions on that?

I guess my only other question is if this is approved, obviously the whole septic stuff went downstate. They basically have kicked it back to Porter County for you guys to approve it. So Dave Tiemens is going to be designing all the septic for the barn. That other thing on our plan does not require any septic. So if this is approved today, are we able to pull permits for the drive and that building while waiting for Tiemens to get the septic and everything for the barn?

We'll go through those.

Okay. That's my only other question. Okay, yeah.

Any other thing?

As far as permissions that we need today, I don't think so. But like I said, the only existing buildings we could see in the future would be as if we determined we needed a big run-in shelter for the cows, and then if we needed additional storage for hay that we'd probably cramp somewhere in the back somewhere. Good.

Well, we'll go through the staff here, or the committee. David, you're first.

Yes, thank you. To this application for development plan approval that we called Bartholomew Minor Subdivision Updated Site Plan, an engineering conformance letter was written on July 29th of 2026. It's worth noting that the prior plan had secondary plan approval issued 5-30-2025. And for the purposes of this review, we did something called a light table review, where we reviewed your original plan versus what you had, the plan that was approved in 25 versus what you have now. And it was determined that you did not have additional impervious coverage as a result of it, even though there was an extra building because of the magnitude of what the original site plan showed. that no additional impervious area and no impacts to the drainage that had been approved in 2025 took place. Therefore, Mike, we did issue the conformance letter again on July 29th, 2026. And I just want to read this caveat from the letter into the record, which says, please note that this approval is for the site plan showing two cabins, a barn, and an agricultural accessory structure. A prior version showed four cabins and a larger barn. A light table review showed that the revised site plan received on 7-23-26 did not increase the impervious cover compared to those shown under the four cabins and a barn configurations. Any structures or other impervious cover beyond the two cabins, barn and agriculture accessory structure would require additional review. And I would just also point out that there are asterisks on the table of submitted items. And this isn't on you folks. It's just kind of, you know, again, for the record, And since we do have another firm in the audience today, I would just emphasize the importance of any time a report, a calculation, a set of drawings is amended, the date really should be updated with that. We do work with some folks that just keep the date the same. But then as all of our records get stored, well, I've got three sets of plans here that are dated the same thing, even though all three are different. So it's very good for them to use that date. And then on a lot of them, they even have the, hey, I update revision number two on this date and even put a little summary next to it. Like, hey, we went from four cabins to two and changed one barn to two structures. It kind of gives you a sense. This is what happened on that day.

Yeah, makes sense.

Yep, so that's all I would indicate. But Mike, yes, engineering conformance again, 72926. Thank you, David. Dan?

This was submitted to the state. It was originally submitted to the state with the four cabins. You received a technical data sheet from the state for a septic size for the four cabins. And then this has been revamped. So only one of these buildings, the barns, is going to have the bathroom in it? Correct. Which one has the bathroom in it? The larger one. The larger one is going to have the restroom in it. Okay. um so there was a new technical data sheet issued by the state for two cabins and the restroom in that barn if you're gonna go to four cabins you're gonna have to resubmit to the state and they're gonna have to you might have to expand the septic system and everything like that so um just so you understand yeah okay um but we have received the technology we haven't gotten the design yet so you would work through us with the design you said teammates yeah it's on his books to do it okay so um you know he would submit that through us uh because uh it was delegated back to porter county for the review of the the septic and then in either case we would issue the permit we do the inspection on it um The other thing is, let's see. In regards to the permit, generally you have to get your septic permit before you can get your building permit.

For the barn, right.

For the barn that would have the restroom. Right. Yeah. If you're going to build something that doesn't have a restroom in it, it's not hooked to the septic system, that we usually just do a sign-off on and then... in order to get the building permit from upstairs.

Tiemens had indicated that he probably won't be able to get to that septic design until probably next week or the week after. And we wanted to be able to get that other building that doesn't have the bathroom in it and the drive permitted and going. And then once the septic stuff is approved by you guys, then pull the permits for the barn.

Yeah, so if you work with upstairs in the building department, you know, they'll probably send you down to us and we'll just have to sign off that, you know, that building's okay. Okay. Buildings that have restrooms and stuff in it, you know, generally the septic has to be, well, issued a permit before they'll give you a building permit. Okay. That's all I have. Thanks, Dan. Kevin?

Yeah, Dan, is this system going to require pumps because the barn is... a couple feet below where you're proposing septic field to begin with. So you got some challenges.

Yeah, I don't have a design yet. So but they did in the technical data sheet from the state. They pull up there. They did, they gave specs for gravity and for flood dose. So, I mean, they might be able to gravity the cabins and then they'll have to figure out how they're going to get that barn up to the field. And yeah, so, but that'll come through in the design.

Am I suggesting you still might want to grind your pump in? You have less control over what goes through your system. Yeah. back to this i noticed that there's kind of a low point in the driveway between where maybe future cabins are and where the existing cabins are uh just a suggestion that you think about having a culvert or something there because the drive will come down you want to avoid holding back water from your drive because roadways pipelines, that kind of thing, they become unnatural dams. And you've got Emerald Ridge subdivision or residential subdivision in your north side. Which brings me to the next thing. Are they required to put up a buffer of any kind? Trees or shrubbery?

That was covered in our variance and they did not require that.

Okay, that's why I was asking her.

Yeah, they...

We did plant 700 trees, though.

Yeah.

So they'll eventually be big.

And I would still recommend.

Yeah, they're there.

You know, USDA gives away trees all the time. Susan, you want to address that, please?

Just that, yeah, there were conditions of their use variance and landscaping was discussed at that meeting, as well as there is like a natural tree line there. Yeah. And they do have the 45 foot setback from that residential subdivision.

And I just couldn't recall how much of the natural tree line was still there now that it's all occupied. People tend to encroach, for lack of a better word, when they have their single family lots.

There's a lot of that that's happened, yeah.

Nearly every fence there is five feet over.

Unfortunately, a lot of times when you're doing something with agricultural land, you're at odds with the neighbors because they tend to like it. they can occupy beyond. And that's why you just want to stick with a good survey that tells you where all these are at. So if you have a dispute with your neighbor, you can discuss that directly. It kind of heads things off. The other thing is on the original, well, this plant was dated 7-26-23, as David said. And there's As engineers, we always allow an area where we can put revisions and dates and stuff, and I agree with David. It's a shame they revised this, but they did.

Yeah, I apologize. That wasn't on there.

Well, that's not your... I know, but I... That's something to discuss with your engineer so you know which plan goes with what submission. Yeah. The... Previous time we discussed the culvert under the driveway. Has that been replaced yet? It will.

It will be. Okay.

Because that will be critical for you just to protect your properties here again. Opposite of what I was talking before, now this time you have Zimmerman's property and I assume you're living in the existing house. No. No. No. Okay. Okay. But the thing is, you don't want to back up water there. Right. We went over top of the walk, and it looks like you have the inverts that highway can watch. Basically, that's all I have on this.

Thank you, Kevin. Martin?

Yeah, the subdivision does show the drive with culverts on it. However, from the meeting minutes that we had at our previous DRC meeting, I didn't say it was going to be a 24-foot minimum width. So just kind of bringing that up again. So please, when you do submit for your driveway permit, accommodate that. that would require an extension in your culvert as well. So those are two things that would need to be updated with that site plan attached to your driveway permit.

So can we make it wider than 24 foot? Oh, yeah.

Absolutely. When we get, like, you talked to the highway. For multifamily, it's up to 30 foot, which is what we were discussing on this. Okay. So I don't know if we need a, we might need a letter or something.

We asked, like, what we could get, and they told you.

Yeah, the highway department was like 20 foot. And I was like, well, our plans say you're 24. We'd like to go wider. And he's like, well, you can't go any wider than that.

They might not have been privy to these conversations. Okay.

So when we apply for the driveway permit, do we do that for you guys or do it directly to the highway department?

So highway engineering is in this building up in Suite 11. So you'll go through us.

Okay. So up to 30 foot, though, is what?

And that's before the radius? Correct. You would add the radius onto that. Yeah, so we'd like it as big as possible because we're getting semis going in there to build the barn and stuff. Right. As it is right now, you couldn't get a truck in there. So that's why the driveway permit's really important for us to get this going first because we're going to have big vehicles coming in.

So I guess to that effect, since this is going to be used for commercial purposes... I would be okay with doing a commercial driveway approach, which would be a little wider. However, and this is me wanting to understand this more, does this use expire that they have, or does it stay with the property?

No, the use variance is indefinite.

Indefinite?

Until the use is discontinued for more than a year.

Okay. So then I would say that a commercial driveway approach would be appropriate for it, since you're using it for commerce, you're having guests, you're conducting business out there.

Martin, to clarify, the minimum widths that we require, regardless of which driveway, that's simply just from the edge of pavement to the back of the right-of-way?

Correct. Within the area from edge of pavement to back of right-of-ways, our minimum width. Behind that, you can, at your discretion, as long as you've submitted it, make it as wide as you want. It's been approved by Engineering and Stormwater. That's the only comment that I have. Kevin. Thanks, Mark. Kevin.

Yeah, I have one more question. You've got this space here. Are you planning on doing any events, auctions, weddings, those kind of things? Is this going to be a thing?

Not as a venue. I mean, like if one of our kids gets married and wants to get married out there, maybe.

Well, I'm thinking about outsiders. That's private, but that's something you'll need to discuss. If you want to do something like that, we're not covering that.

That was never the intention of any of this.

Okay, just wanted to... make that clear because then we have parking issues and lighting, noise, all sorts of other things to discuss.

Thank you, Kevin. Susan, anything you have?

Just that this project went through one planning review and got planning conformance on July 28th, 2026. Thank you.

Rich, anything? No. Sorry for being late. Dan, a point of clarification for my notes. Did you say that the septic design is still

under design yeah we have not received the design yet uh for review because they just received the updated uh technical date sheet from the state on like the 29th of july so like two weeks ago yeah

And then back to your question about getting the building permit for the other barn. Like Dan said, we wouldn't require you to have the septic yet. You would have to go to the health department and get a septic sign off from them and getting your building permit. That'll also be required for the cabins. It's just required for all building permits.

So for the barn without any toilet facilities, they could pull a permit once Dan signs off, so it's not needed? Yes. I guess that was your question.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Is your intent to build that accessory structure first for storage?

I mean, we wanted to build them both at the same time, but the septic has kind of held us up. The original technical data sheet should have had the one bathroom on the barn on it, and it was not submitted correctly. And so, like, the plan was always to have a toilet in that large main barn. And so when we went to, you know, start this whole process, we realized that was omitted. we had to spend an extra two months getting stuff sent downstate revised and sent back to us so the original goal was to get them both built but now we're going to kind of stage it and get the drive get that accessory building and then as soon as the septic is ready get the barn we want it all up before winter if possible they're willing to work with you that's Yeah, that was my goal.

The large building. Oh, sorry. The large building being a kit is coming on like several semis. And it's when it's here, it's here. And then it's if it sits all winter, you know, we have beams bending and. you know all that type of stuff too so it's like we we kind of desperately need a place if if for some reason it falls through and we can't build the big barn we need a place to just be able to store the thing for next that's why here's kind of suggesting accessory structure yeah be a priority for you guys yeah that they will work with any more questions for us

And just for your clarification, the subject doesn't have to be in in order to build that barn with the restroom. You just have to have the permit. Yeah. Okay. Just for your.

Okay. Yeah. Thank you.

Any other questions? Any questions of the panel? May I entertain a motion?

I'll make a motion that we approve this as plotted.

I'll second. Second. All in favor? Aye. Opposed? Congratulations.

Thank you.

Thank you. Sorry, Kevin.

Sorry, guys.

You get to get out early. One more question. Are you hooking up to Valfrey's Water?

No, we have a letter that we...

Okay. I'm an advocate for Valfrey's Water.

Good day. All right. Good morning. Next is case DP2026-4, the applicant is Victory Christian Academy, Inc., located at 325 East Valparaiso, Indiana, Washington Township. Current zoning is institutional, 9.5 acres. The request today is a development plan approval for the proposed new building addition on the west side of the existing building, new drive-through lane, new septic system, and added storm water.

Good morning, everybody. Kevin Koros with Mann Associates, 952 South State Road 2. Here representing Victory Christian with me is Kevin Kiegeven, one of the underlings, I guess I should say, of Victory Christian. We are here to get final DRC approval for a classroom building addition on the west base of the existing Victory Christian Academy School on 325. With that, we have received letters of conformance both from planning and from engineering. We have had numerous different applications. FaceTimes with many of you, and I think it best here to go through the list of kind of how this went from start to end. But again, all of this in accumulation to get approved this building addition, drive addition, septic approval, stormwater installation. So May 12th, we received our first engineering review from Mr. Champion. July 16th, we received a final letter of conformance. It's important to note that that letter of conformance was for a drainage solution that involved a piping system to an existing pond outlet drainage, not to the ditch itself, which we did visit drainage board. And we're tabled at the time, but I think at this point we are going to move to drop that petition. And I'll have to get with Chelsea on that. We are going to install the approved system as given by Mr. Champion's July 16th letter. May 14th, we were given our first planning review. A LETTER WHICH WE THEN GOT SUBSTANTIAL CONFORMANCE ON JUNE 11TH. THERE WERE TWO ITEMS STILL LEFT ON THAT AND I'LL ADDRESS THAT IN A SEC. MAY 28TH, WE HAD OUR VZA SPECIAL EXCEPTION APPROVAL FOR WELL AND SEPTIC ON AN INSTITUTIONAL ZONING AND I'LL GET TO THAT AGAIN IN A SEC. We had April 28th. I did have correspondence, just I know this isn't really pertinent to comments or anything that you guys have had, but just so you're aware, I've had correspondence with IDEM's water department on the well on site. They are fully aware of it. There is no permit needed. They just need proof on the septic construction within its 200 foot radius. Again, I'll talk about that more in a sec. And then we had July 1st, we had our official IDO approval. So by talking about it in a sec, I mean right now. So Soil Solutions did a septic design on the site. There is an existing septic already. Which again, we went to special exception for to officially. Officiate that subject system on an institutional zoning, which does require inherently a. Water connection or miss full sewer action. So so that has been approved both by the and now by Idaho. Through soil solutions. And with that, IDEM was aware of that with the well. And as I said, they are they need no permit. They just need final installation proof that that sewer system was improved with water quality pipes through that 200 foot radius. Then on July 10th, I had sent out a revised final drawing to everybody in the county municipal boards that had the final two comments by Susan, which had the dedication, which was accepted by you guys. I think we were waiting for you guys to do the official review and approval on it, because I think we're just waiting for signatures on that.

I wasn't aware that we had received it, but that would go to the board of commissioners for approval.

Correct. So who'd you submit it to?

So I sent it via that email to everybody. And I think we even had, I had Marilyn comment on it too, and she was good with it.

Okay.

So you should have that in the July 10th email. If you don't just shoot me an email and I'll get that back over to you. But we have that in there.

Prepare a document for commissioner approval with their signatures?

Yep. All that was sent in that email on July 10th. We'll review that. Yep. Please do. And just let me know if it needs to be revised in any certain way. We also, in that email, discussed... a lot that had to do with the right of way and part of that deed of dedication. So Martin and I had some email correspondence as well regarding the fact that that deeding of dedication will contain some private improvements within that right-of-way. And I think Susan, you and I talked about that a little bit too. And I wanted to make sure that everybody was under the same page and good with this, that our hope was that that would allow to remain there until such time that the highway department deems that they need to do right-of-way improvements. And then at that point it would be removed. The total of the improvements involved the light pole that's on there, eight parking stalls, which if removed, we still make parking requirements. Susan, that was one of the things we talked about. And then we also had the existing ponds drainage outlet is also there in the northeast corner there. And Martin is aware of that and he's fine with that, that that connection is there and would remain there as part of their drainage. Were those encroachments identified in the deed of dedication? They were not. But, yeah, that might be a good idea to revise that to include that. That's a great idea. So we should definitely re-review that one more time. And then that last kind of item was that July 13th visit to the drainage board in which we were asking to release our proposed pond to the North Creek, to which, again, we were tabled to figure out if we could get this to work. In the meantime, Mr. Champion had given his letter of conformance for the alternative drainage solution, which was to run on property along the north line and outlet into the existing pond outlet itself. We are aware of that, we understand, and that's what's going to be installed as part of this. It's important to note that the stormwater is mostly for the dry vial in and of itself. The existing or the proposed building that's going to be added on to this is basically, as we had discussed, you know, it's mostly impervious, swapped with impervious. So there wasn't much stormwater we needed to add for that. So we had a significant amount of asphalt extended on that west side because this new building addition would go through their drive lanes for pickups. And so that other aisle was added so that they can keep their dual line pickups at the end of the day. So with that, I think I've summed up everything as best as I could. I'll leave it up to you guys. We'll answer any questions you have.

The addition is how many square feet? Roughly. I'll tell you that. Right now-ish.

Well, I can't tell you that without a certain amount of calculation on my side. Or a magnifying glass. I think it'd be 6,500.

Is it 6,500 square feet?

Yeah, I don't have that information at the tip of my fingers here. Well less than sprinkler capacity. 12,000 square feet.

Okay.

Dave? Yes. As Kevin mentioned, again, this job was initially – received back in late April. I did write engineering conformance on July 16th of 2026. With this note, I will also read into the record This letter of engineering conformance applies only to the version of the drawings and report, which include the PVC storm drain, which does not discharge to the drainage easement currently servicing the subdivision north of the church. The applicant is pursuing an approval to use a drainage easement at the time of this letter. As Kevin just mentioned, it sounds like that's being abandoned. I do think that is... a long-term benefit for the school, for the church. There were doubts internally that perhaps prior work had not actually been routed properly for drainage. Well, hey, this is what's going there already. But I do think that in time, it will be seen as a positive that that's there, especially in the event that the school ever wished to expand further in that direction. Now you've got the connection there to facilitate that. So, yeah, we appreciate that. Again, for the record, July 16th, 2026, engineering conformance was issued. That's all I have. Thanks, Dave. Dan.

Yeah, so this was all submitted to IDOH. IDOH did the review on the site plan. That was approved. They issued an approval letter. Yeah, there was an approval letter issued by IDOH on July 1st. So we will issue the permit, which I believe we already issued. have or it's ready. And we will do the inspection on the system. My only other comment is, so, I mean, the well thing, you've talked to IDEM and everything, but they're pulling water samples and stuff because this wood is better than the public water.

Correct. And we have verified that the school is pulling samples and sending them to IDEM.

All right. That's all I have. Very good. Kevin?

I just answered my first question was, or you're handling the testing for the well. The major thing that came up at our stormwater management board meeting, or maybe that was stormwater advisory board, too many meetings, I had concerns about the condition of the culvert. Now it's a highway culvert that we have. We still shouldn't have some kind of inspection on condition. of the culvert at the northeast corner of this parcel, just for the benefit of the subdivision to the west as well as to the church property.

And I seconded that as well because I had visual confirmation on that culvert. The west end is open and usable. However, the east end is considered, I could not find it. It was on the east side of 325. It was considerably covered and...

unfindable it's well i think it's just buried and it is direction is all in that direction in fact i think it goes back to water flow probably along that property line for 600 feet or so and then it goes diagonally across uh a two lot subdivision called a wahasan oh a wahasan parakeet yeah uh name but uh

But I think more importantly is on that west side that I could tell there is no, not only is it buried, but there's no outlet for the water to go anywhere.

Well, and I think you have the natural fall to the east, but we just make sure that it's not jumping across. And this is time to be discussing, just like David. talking about the easement on the north side it's not a bad idea to work out something with your neighbors to the north that's not necessary in my mind because you're just going to overflow over to the roadside ditch which kind of throws the problem back to the county but I think we can figure out something because like I said I'm sure we've got enough home to the east of the roadside to facilitate that. And I think that's, those are the only questions or comments I have.

Thank you, Kevin.

Martin? Yeah, I'll get with Highway. We'll investigate that culvert and get it cleaned out if it's appropriate or whatever is required based on those fines for the site visit. I was just going to add for the right-of-way verbiage on leaving the existing infrastructure in place, that maintenance of the existing infrastructure would be the responsibility of the owner. Yep. And its removal, if it does fail prematurely or require maintenance, that's all on the responsibility of the owner.

Absolutely.

And then, yeah, also they can remain there as long as they're not in conflict with any proposed improvements by the highway department.

So if Susan couldn't find that email, maybe you can find it right here. Okay. I have the deed of dedication. Okay. So whether you guys want to propose that language and send it to me, or I can propose language and send it to you guys either way.

I had it written up and that email ready to go.

Okay.

Perfect.

If you could maybe discuss that with me before you send it out, because I have some too, but I used to do it in dot. Okay. Yeah. Well, there needs to be terms and conditions of those encroachments staying. Sure. In the event highway goes in there, that highway's not responsible.

Yep.

And also, you need to redo it because you got Jim Brake Biggs as president.

Oh, okay.

Well, then we'll do it. Actually, just don't even give them titles. Just commissioner, commissioner, commissioner. Understood. Do that.

Where's that sound from?

Anything else, Mark? That's all I have.

This project received planning conformance on June 11th after two reviews, and that was substantial conformance with the outstanding items which we've been discussing the deed of dedication here. If this is approved today, I would suggest, I don't know who we was, I would suggest that you make it a condition of approval that the deed of dedication be presented to the commissioners for acceptance.

Anything else? Thank you, Susan. Rich?

I was just asking Susan, wasn't there a subdivision proposed like a Marshall, some big commercial? Is that further south?

Yes.

Okay. Thank you.

I have no...

It was originally Booker, but then Marshall bought the land. Okay.

Okay. That's how it was. Any questions?

I'll retrain on the comment that McMahon was involved in that.

Don't expose yourself. All right. That's it. Thank you, guys. Any other questions by the panel?

I'll make a motion to approve subject to coming to terms with the deed of dedication with the Highway Department and the Development Department.

Second.

The signing of the deed of dedication by the commissioners.

The only thing I guess I'd quickly ask is these guys are on an extreme time schedule. Will these, you know, as we know that we have to wait for the Board of Commissioners to sign that deed of dedication, will that hold up them being able to pull the permit to be able to start pouring concrete and doing such on site? Because that I've got no problem with us agreeing to come to terms on you guys internally approving the deed of dedication, but that slows them down on being able to do their construction.

Let's get in and have the highway engineer and other staff approve it. we can give you a thumbs up. Great. Great. At least a foundation permit. Perfect. Perfect.

Can I suggest that we, instead of making the building permit issuance contingent upon the deed of dedication, maybe the certificate of occupancy is contingent upon the recording of the deed of dedication?

I'd like to get the document in our hands and approve internally.

When is the next Board of Commissioners approval? Because they'll have to go through two readings. Two weeks. Of that. The 25th. And then that would be about the 25th.

I'm content if the highway engineer and others are happy with it. Okay.

As long as they can just keep moving forward on the construction.

With the recommendation to approve from these guys. Yeah. Good.

Yeah, because I'd like to at least get that study. Sure. We've got to negotiate that. We've got to have that. Is that agreeable to everybody who made the second?

I did.

Is that agreeable to you? Yes. Any other comments? All in favor? Aye. Let the record reflect 4-0. Dan Boyd has to leave.

Approved. Good luck. Thank you, guys. I would like it in record that I was faster than the first group.

I would also like it on the record that unfindable is a real word. Did I use that somewhere? You did. I was going to make fun of you, and I'm like, oh, it's real.

So the important part is I knew what I was doing.

He's accusing you of a Lake County speak. Yeah, well, hey now. That's some dangerous accusations.

I resemble their work, huh?

Hey, Kevin. Yes.