Planning Board - Regular Meeting

all right uh I'll call this meeting of the planning board Village col spring to order um would anyone like to Adder modifi items to the agenda okay no all right uh let's jump into we have two meeting minutes to review uh oh actually I guess did I add both of these I wasn't uh I wasn't sure actually I have them both great I wasn't sure if they they got adoped so let's do the 12 first I guess Ben and Kevin we at this one for um I will say that it's very interesting that the 133 135 the applicant hopes to open a radiology and beauty bar business in the village that's not what the appan has open I'm quite serious quite serious Radiology like like I want to push this up to

okay um would you like your comment officially recorded yes please I Radiology I remember reflex yeah I think that's just still um I think it's pretty close for what it's worth all right let let me let me stand down I would agree with you if they had applied for radiology I'm still I'm still um curious It's a curious implementation it'ses I don't know signage is within whatever they have the neon and everything up so I mean I don't know if they're enforcing that but hello they' been turning it on yeah hey everyone sorry a few minutes late hi hey J yeah the open part you well I see it not that often not it's not right across from me but it's it's there every time I walk down the street John you didn't miss anything we're we're just uh reviewing the minutes from uh the 12th of September perfect you have a moment Jess yeah that for2 okay great and they're all uh yes

and the village approved their parking waiver um good question actually I'm not sure okay I would think so I sent it over a really long time ago now even though I S it over late I I it it was last year right when I send it over yeah um but if you're more if you're more comfortable actually getting a confirmed answer which I probably recommend yeah yeah I I probably should just give given it's one of the conditions um and because I'm that's generally what I do is I'm might go through the resolution and check hit all the conditions of met cuz I I will have forgotten whatever the conditions uh were when we when we adopted but you know I can always walk over yeah yeah see did you want to try the AI recording why not I mean it's just clicking a button assuming it's enabled for the account oh yeah start summary oh look at you so uh I think we Jonathan when we talked about this before we agreed that it would not be used to it would not be used as a record of the meeting but it would it could be used as a as a guy for checking the minutes when they're being created right point of reference yeah yeah okay and for what it's where I've used these at work they are like shockingly good so I think they will help you out yeah apprciate it yeah

now jonan when you remember when we did the um 60s badier uh did we did we fully wave the the recreation space requirement or did we wave in lie of payment um didn't they end up having to pay a fee for it yes I believe that's my recollection is they did have to pay a fee whether they did that or not I'm not sure I don't think I ever I'm I'm I'm pretty sure they did okay um so maybe I'll amend this just to so to way motion to W the subdivision requirement of the record space in lie of oh uh with payment in L something like that have they just not been turning on the the outside light at night what outside light for the beauty bar cuz the light that on the driveway yeah I haven't seen it I think wasn't it there was a it was on it was on and it was basically a spotlight yeah which is not not not to code and it's still I think it's still

installed there but I just assume we're not turning it on I I don't I'm not 100% sure but it sounds like you're right I mean walk over here I can take a look on the way a field trip yeah it might be worth it might be worth someone uh if someone does walk by there yeah I walk it might be worth noting if they are both open and the light is not on um since that was one of the things that we were concerned about uh right um I think the folks are okay with the two edits I suggested I'm good with us move to accept the September 12 minutes with the two edits made by our chairperson I say oh yeah you have all right there you go there's two modifications on there I me eat my chicken not to bad this is Henry Hillary maybe we could reward the comment asked about having online space to Archive older applications just to make sure that people are clear what I was that can you um where do you where do you want to change I said um having online space to Archive older applications

face e Jonathan looks like we had to amend it the following uh to add the note about the fee schedule oh that's right I think we just straight waved it originally um yeah I think it probably with everything else uh probably just got missed yeah we enjoy we didn't in the original resolution and then and then the following meeting we we amended it so yeah to add it in yeah you w to so this yeah the the first the first edition is not is no longer trust right yeah yeah I think it's actually in the master fee schedule right yeah the the W fees are one of those things where it's good to have it as a condition but it is part of the code so it's not really uh necessary for the board to impose it as a condition yeah it's right I mean the the thing is you know it's like one of those things if you don't call out it's easy for everyone to do their very narrow job and

no one and no one to realize that it was Miss EX inside one of yeah so conf you don't want this part I want question or we can write them collaborative can write them on a piece of paper and I can typee them in the questions that you sent earlier I didn't send any questions oh there were some amendments that I added in my [Music] um copy of that d the physical book yeah I can grab it there Jonathan did you get the uh Scoop from last night from John uh just a little bit yeah I don't think you didn't miss much

yeah this one oh thank you um I'll take that you I just want to take a quick look at something um make motion motion to adopt the uh minutes of September 26 with the changes that have been noted by our chairperson billary second hi hi there you go thank you great let me uh share my screen there so that we can all follow along I I do all my work on Google uh right so I thought for this in particular this would be useful because we are everyone's seen the previous draft and I read it last night for me to um show I I basically made suggestions on my own draft so it was called out what what I had changed uh since last night uh let me share it I know you're talking I did send some edited changes you're right sorry you print no no yeah I I add some questions questions I just edits to the to the document all right I think everybody can see this let see if I can try to make it bigger oh de I can probably make it a little bigger

on imersive right the imersive oh no okay there I is that um I um there you go that's good okay so um everyone uh either read or heard the draft that I gave last night um I made a couple of changes uh directionally given the feedback last night and I wanted to run through with everybody before we move on to the questions um and then there's I'm moving it so I can read it sorry sorry sorry sorry I'm I'm too fidgety as a person um I can do the full screen too um hold spring not Soul spring cynical cynical radian slip uh uh okay so the the the gist of this initial change is basically that um I think like while I think I disagree with I think the the I disagree with the detail of Eliza's suggestion about adding in all the things that people like about the F Trail I do kind of acknowledge it directionally as like for other for

other projects like the like the deli and the gym and other things like that we have we have tried to note generally whether we thought the the the concept was a beneficial one or not and then a lot of the implementation details were ones we dug into about whether we thought you know this implementation of that implementation was good or they needed to do more investigation on X and Y um so this was kind of a nod that in uh to in concept the project offers a phenomenal recreational resource for the residents of colpr does anyone feel I totally agree with you and I guess I would add to that that and I was one of the reasons why oh that's where my pen went okay that in the summary um this this document is talking about all the Wonders not that I'm disagreeing with it but all the Wonders the project so I don't see why we have to what the purpose would be to regurgitate and I would go with what you said that we're looking for vulnerabilities we're looking for the gaps in the dgis that's yeah and and and usually our our position is one where we're evaluating projects that are legally allowed anyway and so our like it's useful to note I think the ways in which a product is aligned with the village uh and the and the and the and the interest but I I don't think we in any application we don't really dwell on those things very long I don't think so I mean they're they're definitely traffic and move moving humans through and so forth I mean there are definite obvious benefits and needs that that that the village has the the basis to argument falls

apart quickly because it's like here's the reason is um or not or or not necessarily yes you could you could you can include favorable public comment but then you'd have to also include negative public comment as well right well I don't I don't think our I I just that's not a role right a role is just to examine this it's just a role is simply just to and the function of the public and the function of the public comment for us as a board is to Aid our thinking and digestion of of the of the versus um the village board might be in a more representative role where they where they want to do synthesis and representation at the same time I was I was still my job is to examine this yeah yeah yeah yeah for sure does anyone object to to to adding this um sentence no yeah um and then the other changes are just kind of make make it flow with what was there um basically having it however and then um and then raises several concerns that could substantially undermine that conceptual value so um uh and I that why this yeah I think that that paragraph that line break will go away when I accept this but um I added your change in language about the uh about the height here okay thanks um basically been added more uh a little bit more detail uh to uh to the to the fe uh measurement um everyone everyone cool with that M yeah uh this is the one that I think we

need to revise for clarity um it has to do with I uh I was still trying to figure out exactly like what is the name of the park that is where the band stand is no you talking about the Gazebo right right I just think that's that's um think that's the do no it's not that's why I was confused yeah I call it the doc the doc the doc I would say it doesn't have a name on Google Maps and I've always you know I feel like people maybe in clearly incorrectly and lazily referred to the area as doc side I do no that's yeah that's not doc side right no Jonathan do you know the name of that by chance I don't I only know it as the Gazo that's what everyone calls it the Gaze don't even call it the pier they don't call it gazebo and if you get a concert they say there's a concert down at the Gazebo Santa Claus is going to be down the Gazebo it's always referred to from what I know and Ben might be able to know he's been here as long as I have it's always been known as the Gazebo to why people not get confused with the other gazebo that's by The Depot restaurant uh the one next to the ticket office yeah I don't know it's bigger you're gonna have have the Gazebo then it has to be the bigger that's what I think Town people know it is is the Gazebo that area Okay Better or Worse that's what I think it's it's not it's um I'm not sure if I'm looking at the correct thing looks like on The Village's website it's referred to as the Band Stand The Band Stand okay yep there you go

okay uh all right well I think that like a not um Laura's comments last night highlighted we we should try to make the language more precise about there are there docside has no trash cans uh hasra Service uh currently visitors visitors to that use the trash cans at the INF at the at the Bandstand oh right uh or whatever whatever we're calling that Park uh the Bandstand Park uh and they are often overflowing this which is what we're referring to here uh so I think I I just need the the group's help to reword this in a way that reflects uh that that distinction because I think right now it's misleading a bit I I would I would even just say instead of trash overflows instead of just dox side I would just say lower main trash cans every week lower and if we just go and say lower main that encompasses everything and it's it's I was thinking public trash cans in lower main right lower main is really where the I mean you have mumus which which contributes a great deal there's just tons of ice cream Refuge left over there in those transs public [Music] flow Main Street or Main Street public trash cans overflow every weekend and the spring summer and fall um uh

um in part I uh due due to um Darkside visitorship visitation maybe um seeing syic cousin currently relies on the village for trash pickup um Jan it's going second then but that that is true since is it I'd say Scenic Hudson currently relies in Village crash pickup for Dockside park right or at D Park yeah I I don't know if you'd say s they don't technically is not at Darkside park because there is no trash at dark side park okay um C currently relies on the village uh maintaining uh yeah the village for what's that does cic Hudson pay us to run a royal over there no that was so you mean you mean down to lower main uh I don't think so because that's not their property right um I mean does c Hudson even know what's going on since there enough trash can in

do side part and they're not writing us a check yeah so um let me let me read the start to to fin how about how about something about the impact of people visiting docside Park Falls on the village for trash pickup in in the uh lower main area and then an increase in traffic to that area would un burden yeah and this is only going to exacerbate that oh that's some good work I can't even spell it good word uh all right so since uh since oxide side currently rely on and uh ENT well exacerbate exacerbate it looks like it corrected it

R exacerbate um now I will say that there my recollection at the data review meetings is that they said they were going to do their own trash pickup right right area lower be un exacerbated but I also have like the issue when people get off the train they're they're there at the information booth they're the the rest there that are right sad there's the trash that is sad and I thought it might be important to mention that somewhere but yeah I mean it's the trash all throughout the village that's affected by the by by the tourism sorry lower how about um lower main street but in particular lower Main Street Main Street weekend part visitation visitors line the village for TR to the area the doite connector will exacerbate uh issue I'm not enough for people to share anybody want a c up yeah no okay I didn't ask I bet if I had cupcakes you'd all want one

let me let me read it to everyone see you think uh lower Main Street publish trash can every weekend in the spring summer and fall and part due to the do side part due to do side visitation since do side visitors currently rely on on the village will be uh for trash service to the area and the doite connector will exacerbate the area's General need for trash collection we would expect uh hhft to include some offsetting measure to mitigate this burden on the village uh this could include taking over trash management entirely or heavily subsidizing uh well they're not going to take over trash management entirely l so take that out um can't heard to ask right they're probably not gonna do any of did you just just subsidizing Village trash removal services that that could be you know I don't know if you have to say heavily subsidized just say subsidizing that that would be this could include yeah uh see period maybe we yeah you to say that this could include or for example subsidizing

Village how did everything go over last night um I think it I was very well received I think on the whole um I think you know Aaron and Eliza had some uh more pointed feedback but I think even even for them it was minim yeah it was it was Minimon um um we got uh some some nice praise from the other village board members and uh from the public afterwards so um everybody should feel proud about the work that we've produced Jesse did an amazing job personally crushed it um I think the document and the read was great and then and then um there just everybody complimented the work that Jesse done but the amount of work that had gone into with the number of times we met um and please feel free to jump in if anybody is what I'm saying um and then the amount of uh then the then the feedback was um generally I think you know positive from three of the trustees and and just only gently questioning from two of the others yeah I'd give it like a an eight or nine out of 10 okay they were looking at it through the lens of the planning board and how we should be responding I think that they they thought that it was appropriate the point that we brought up when they did have some comments it was either to say maybe you're leaning towards being a little bit too negative but then we push back a Time bit on that and then the other one was some clarity in here that Jesse's he's uh he's addressing now yeah uh B this next one is another one

of your suggestions um construction noise is Jud be acceptable hhft yet the engineering assumptions are seemingly incorrect as they are using over dry land sound absorption coefficients uh while this project is happening over water and in front of a lagon furthermore continues as it was what yeah sounds right yeah yeah all right the um I just added some clarity down here because I think Aaron found it he was a bit confused about what I was intending which I can see I was I was going for really pissy and impactful and I think it just it it landed confusingly so I added a little bit of modifiers here even in the best of circumstances empathy by a developer cannot replace advocacy by a municipality yeah I think yeah makes it unambiguous what what's intended there it's yeah exactly no you spelled it out and for them as reading it you know they're not part of our planning board process so this will be easy for them to understand yeah um here at this end Aaron made the comment that he felt that the final paragraph Was political that was really not our I don't think it was our intent uh it wasn't my intent when I when I wrapped it originally and I think um but I but I thought perhaps uh making it less pointed pointedly addressed to residents of cold string might help um uh make it harder to interpret it in a political way uh but I'm open to other suggestions that people think there are there are better ways to um um kind of get at

that yeah I think I think just taking out that F spring at the beginning really does mean that it's more a general thing that you're admitting that these are positives yeah but should have say yeah okay you hear that yes thank you um and then similarly uh here down here I kind of I had a very like that is not what we have here period And I wanted to it this sentence had been kind of in my head a as a little Landing a little too hard for me uh even before eron gave comment and so I feel like it was just another opportunity to you know so it's not what we have here if we're not allowed to fulfill our function modifies that yeah and now where does this go okay so there's a if we're if we are the next task is to get the questions nailed down and um Jonathan we've um we've been uh instructed to email actually have I someone at basically email the the clerk and someone uh the I guess the point of contact with the state uh with this with the adopted um with the adopted um comments um

and uh my my plan was that we basically submit the what will be official n-draft um comments probably needs to be on our letter head though right yeah I would okay so that's something thing I'll have to I'll have to do uh here um and uh I think it sounds like every we're all okay with the comments part of this um we also had a list of questions which I shared over email and and there's uh copies here um some version of this will be included I guess that like um do you have any thoughts or advice about should we just tack them on at the end should there be a separate uh like an appendix yeah I don't I don't know like what's the what do you feel like is the is the right way to communicate this just as a single document yeah I think so I mean I don't know that the response is necessarily going to be any different um I don't know if you saw my email uh in response to Ben this afternoon um when the the fewer Trail folks respond to all the comments they don't have to do it individually they can give like a blanket response so you know maybe there's 10 comments that are all similar so they'll issue one you know somewhat generic response to all I think that I think that's well I guess it depends on how you measure similarity right like if similar is that they're all about the F Trail proposal then right uh but I guess like you know um if one is about the scenic view overlay and one is about um the sound like those seem different enough that they would Merit

different responses right well yeah I guess my point is more if um you know somebody else a member of the public or the village board or somebody else makes a similar comment oh I see I see I see yeah well we don't know what those are so I mean I guess like we for the avoidance of doubt we should include them just with the understanding that that that the their responses will be in a in aggregate to all questions right you might get a response you're looking for but it might be something that's fairly vague and doesn't totally address well you know that's on them that's not yeah uh so you think we should include it in the same document though yeah okay uh uh um I would like to not be here for an especially long time tonight sure so uh could someone lead a discussion about the um um the questions while I Ed put the letterhead on this sure okay I've got a proposal that I read the question into the minutes and then I type it up later and send it to your your ones because these have already been yeah exactly but these are these are already on the regular I just have a couple of small edits and two of my questions just there just is a word missing oh I see no I just saying that if everyone wants to go through their own and say if they have any questions I was fine with mine right the only thing I have is two small comments and then I'm good with with mine do our any of our questions repeat I don't think it matters as much because they well they might but yeah I guess we could edit you yeah we might as well go down and we could edit one out or two because I think I might have one similar I'm I'm going to I'm going to let you do that

while while I do that okay are you going to have the planning board commentary that's going to be at the top and but the letterhead is going to say Village of Cold Spring right yeah yeah I'm I'm I'm gonna Port I'm gonna Port the whole thing over and I don't I just R mine so if you want just take this I have two things here you reviewed yours yeah yeah I I didn't see any typos and things okay so I'm just GNA leave mine as is I don't think we have to edit it to say if there's anything that's similar because they're going to get multiple ones and if yeah I mean they're G to get them from everybody else yeah so I mean I should and if they have to work a little harder yeah okay um should I read out aloud now he's uh yeah because we're we're disc wants us to discuss this working over there so so this are just um three basic questions so um so from from section 4 H4 and Village code requires noise limits be below 82 DBA dis spells a a which is a weighted at 50 ft the effects of distance on noise why is there no allowance for the hard surfaces surrounding the consideration the construction work services on noise sound over water sound over Lagoon sound reflection of the Cliffs of Storm King Mountain this question second question is how many days and months of drilling and pile driving will will devel commit to as a maximum little number of days and months so oh days a month okay yeah I don't know how they could tell you when a Project's going to be done well no that's that but that's that's the thing so you know I the probably not going to

tell us but you know but I want to ask them um question three and this is um going to the piece that's come up a number of times and I just want to ask it again um is um uh so chapter 4G the scenic resources um the view this is the view Shed from May's park at Fair Street facing west mountains um there is no mention of uh of you know raising the trail above the M&R tracks up to 4T there's no mention of rear fence up to 12 ft um will there be a raise in the deck or the fence on this F sh Rays so the so in in that section of vgis they talk about like what the view is going to look like they mention nothing about it's a mystery and and John um do you feel like that's we we do make a we make a nod to that in the in the comments I just this what I was sort of um thinking about last night when I was listening to to Mr F talk I like I want to ask the question yeah because it's like this gaping hole they they're sort of saying it's it's an issue that I have with the dgis is like they to they they talk about like fence over here and then they talk about fence like 25 Pages later but they don't you know they're they're talking about view sheds and so they don't bring up the fence at all consistently so like so in other words if you look at the fence you look at the diagrams it's like oh there's no fence I look this pretty picture you know what was interesting is we had uh a comment online when we had our um our U public comment our public hearing and someone uh a woman said oh yes but if you look here at this document whatever that

document was she said oh it's got all of the information on the fencing so my first thought great why isn't it why is it not in here right they so what I was told was it was front and center and then it was taken down so and which I think was front center then it was taken and anyway I'm I'm not going to comment on that um the a quick question uh is this a memorandum that we're composing like is is there or is it a what would you call it what is the document we're producing I think it's just your comments okay yeah I know com question yeah just our comments I don't think you would be wrong to to call it a memorandum if you want but I think the the secrets are memorandum of comments and questions sure cover all B I'm going to type these up and send them to you so that you can include them in the questions those those three that you just did okay so the same time tonight you don't everyone's good with us yeah yeah okay great um just two notes for me just just like to be e on the end of that and I have it in there and that's it uh um Jonathan what's there a turnaround time on all this uh if I had to guess um a year or

two oh wow yeah really yeah well it but they they they they need to respond in order to move forward right yeah but uh yeah these things always take a long time because they really do have even though the responses aren't always as thorough as you'd like they really do have to go through and identify every single comment and W correlate the response to it so and the MTA do they have to respond by March 4th also that I don't know I would think so but they I know the MTA is a little bit different because they have uh they have to Grant approvals and the MTA is just its own um right and they haven't they haven't seen like I would assume at some point they get plans yeah thank you very much uh um these the end me reare this so um okay uh okay so look at that yeah we got

we got our nice uh cleaning board logo at the top put a DAT on yes good point uh one was yeah February 27 said yeah yeah that's we're ad you with that Jonathan even though we're not sending it in until Monday or Tuesday this should be dated when we when we um when we adopt it right yeah yeah okay February 27 2025 um would folks like me to read this in its entirety I read a few times okay okay um all right so this is this is the this is what I presented yesterday with the modifications we discussed earlier today signed in good faith P spring playing board each of us and then we have additional questions here at the bottom oh nice yeah terrific how does it look when it's printed does it give total borders around it uh the the each cell probably okay otherwise I would vote for a half space at the end Beach cell know you know I uh sometimes it's easiest to just grun it you know you know I mean you're a coder you know that you don't want to have to do this but when it's like 20 times you just say well if it's only 20 times I should probably just as opposed to writing a

little Loop yeah do you know what it's so much easier to read for a senior citizen like me well I was concerned if they print it and the little those little lines being just for sure for the building the thing [Music] the other nice thing about grunting it out is it does give you you know two seconds to sort of scan the text yeah then Benz gonna go at the bottom right yeah I'll put Benz at the bottom um all right so I think um can I get a motion to adopt

um and get a resolution to adopt the comments the memorandum detailing the comments and questions of the planting board uh uh amended uh with uh three questions that been presented to the group tonight I'll make motion to adopt the memorandum if the comments and the Amendments that Ben is going to read into the minutes tonight and we'll submit to you later second all in favor hi that good Jonathan yep it works for me okay um well done everybody I mean seriously great I felt great last night when I heard them still hashing it and everything going over and they had a lot more work to do I think we did it in a timely fashion which is great that you scheduled that out the beginning thank you so we were not panicked at the end yeah um you guys did a very thorough and impressive job thanks Jan appreciate it that's all I got for tonight um someone want to make a motion to adourn I'll make a motion to aurn Second all in favor Thank You by J all right take care everyone thanks Jan Abigail for the record is before 8 o'clock so oh thank you