Town Council - Regular Meeting

today to conduct matters of business. Guide our hearts and our minds in the spirit of fairness, right thought, and speech. Impart your supreme wisdom upon our activities so that our affairs may reach a successful conclusion. Thank you for being our source of guidance tonight. Amen. Amen. Thank you, Maya. I pledge algiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

Thank you. Great job. And I know it's a school night, but you can stay as long as you want. As long as what your mom and dad say. I picture you and have your mom text me. Mhm. Awesome. Thank you. Uh, Madame Clerk, a roll, please. Council member Gillespie. Well, we know he's I believe he's here. He's listening. Council member Lisk here. Council member Lidle absent. Council member Morales here. Council member Priolo here. Vice Mayor Eggbert here. Mayor Murphy here. Quorum present.

Uh, thank you. Uh, next is call to the public. Uh, the call to the public is now open. Individuals may speak for three minutes. Spokespersons for 10. Uh, please note, especially during election season, that advocacy for candidates or ballot measures are prohibited by law. Uh, the council cannot discuss matters not on the agenda. However, at the end of call to the public, council members may respond to criticism, request staff to review the issue, or add the topic to a future agenda item. And I have a few here. And we'll begin with Arturo Galvan. And there's that um the button right there left. Uh nope. Down. Is it sure it's not on? No.

No. No. The uh the podium you can raise to you if you want.

We're fine. You're good. I think I think it's clear. Okay. We're good. Thank you. Uh good evening, mayor, council members. Uh I'm here tonight uh to invite and to thank you. On April 2nd, Thursday, Community Water Company is sponsoring a an adult water education program. We have invited the Department of Water Resources to come in. We have invited the Central Arizona Project to come in and speak about, you know, where the pipeline projects where the uh where the project stands now. And we're also going to have a really special program of a couple employees of Community Water Company doing a water conservation program which I think is just going to be excellent. Um, I want to thank the council and your staff uh because we are doing it in this location and it'll be at 9:30 in the morning on Thursday, April 2nd.

And until what time do you think it's We need Well, we're planning till 11:00. Okay. An hour and a half is Thank you. Thank you. Good evening. Thank you, too. Uh Dave Voise.

Hello. Hello.

Dave Verwise here representing um the Lost Colonius Homeowners Association as a volunteer. My wife is the current president. We have an issue that's uh needs at this point the council's attention. Um, we've been communicating with the staff for about a year to try to come to a resolution long term for this and so far we just haven't been able to do that. So, we're going to ask the the council to get involved and possibly appoint a committee to study this issue and make some decisions. Um to to make a very brief overview of what we're dealing with, uh the town took over flood plane management some years ago and then in 2012 passed a riparian preservation act that dictates what you do and don't do in the wash when it comes to maintenance and pruning. What the root root cause analysis here of what went wrong is pretty pretty simple. That relies on a map generated by the town of the washes and riparian areas and non-riparian. Now, this is the map. There's no way you'll be able to see it without looking at a computer. But this right here is a wash that is labeled riparian. It continues into our development across the street where it's not. And the rules for maintenance are completely different.

So, we've basically exhausted all of the reserves trying to comply with the letter that was sent to us from the town in 2021 when it came to maintenance. Um so so it's created a financial crisis. U the HOA and the board is very very limited in what they can do. We can't simply raise the dues and and we certainly can't take a recurring cost and and try to pass that off uh as a special assessment. So we need uh we need to come to some conclusion. We've been complying with this for the last four years in the hope that something can be worked out but but we're flat out of time now. So respectfully ask you to appoint a commission, hopefully one or two members of the council and staff to have some meetings and hash this out and figure out a way forward. And you may find that there are some other inconsistencies in the map that might have created some confusion in some other areas. But uh if uh any number of people have my number and contact information, so let us know and and we'll be there.

Thanks. Thank you. Appreciate it. Uh next I have Barbara Tyson and Karina Cor caransza. Oh, I'm trying. And you asked to be uh come up here together. So, welcome.

Thank you everybody. Um I just want to say we we did not come prepared. We thought somebody else would be here. So that's why we coming together. So bear with us. Um my name is Karina Kuranza. I'm a resident of Sabarita for 19 years. I've lived at the Sanorita Villa Association. The entire time of that time, uh, the entire length of the 19 years, Thomas Crame has been the board treasurer. To this day, we don't know where our money is going. This all started when in two 2022, Tom and Aboa, a construction company, also known as Toran Group, um, to maintenance our, uh, land and facilities. We pay them $1,600 a month. This was in 2022. About a year ago, I issued a town enforcement with the town of Sawarita for the debris that was in the water basin and the rest of the grounds were included in that enforcement. That is still ongoing a year later. There's a deadline of 329 in a week. There is no way it'll be complete. We learned that Thomas Cra was dumping the debris behind the cemetery and we also think that he may have ownership in that cemetery. That property belongs to Kingsgate LLC. Thomas Crime has homes in our neighborhood, homes invested in the construction property. Um, Aboa is currently occupying our clubhouse. They're using our clubhouse address as their business address and installed an illegal mailbox. Our vice president came in to the board and discovered a lot of wrong things. And I know you guys can't do nothing with the HOA, but this is about the town enforcement, the debris, and the corruption within all the the um developers in our community. We're fed up. We're getting charged for um trash. How much per per year? For trash with construction debris in the trash. And I town of Sawita has all the photos. I It's been so many that the town of

Sawita has asked me to send one email a week because they are overwhelmed with the residents. So, we're here today to ask what the town can do to help. This is very emotional for me. I'm sorry. Please take over.

Yes. Um, we have asked for uh ABA to be removed from our clubhouse and um and we've asked also for financial statements from our treasur and he refuses to comply. Um, we have he's he sends out a generic one which he gives only to the board and it the numbers never add up. I believe the man is a criminal and I can't prove it cuz he won't share information with us. Um, it's it's been going on a long time. We just we don't know what to do. So, if you guys could help us, if you could just guide us and tell us what our options are, is they're getting paid $38,000 a year. Aboa is to take care of the grounds, take care of the pool, and maintain the clubhouse. They're not doing anything. The the gym is so disgusting. It is so dirty. Nobody wants to go in there. It's too dirty.

Well, thank you.

The the health department was actually called last year due to mold in the pool and it was shut down. And I do want to read another email just to kind of get everybody um because this is a very well put together email. I can read that at least. Um the service agreement that from ABA is not a contract. It is a service agreement. And our HOA and ABA toan group um charges $1,600 per month. AOA is listed as the owner from 2021 to 2023 for 28 lots that are currently under construction in the back of our community. This is registered to John Hayden at 271 North Cactus Loop, Green Valley, Arizona. This guy has been in charge of the development of the back of the lots for the last few years. So, what I am suspecting and that maybe there's proof that John and Aboa has been using our HOA as his development office while charging us for it. I have long suspected that both Thomas Cra and John Hayden have been in cahoots with each other profiting off the development for our community and both of them have LLC's in their names and our back lots. And I do also want to bring to the attention of the board that the president of our board is a is a real estate agent in Green Valley area. She addressed our residents on a Next Door app and we have not heard from her.

Thank you. Thank you. Thanks for being here. Appreciate it. Yes. Well, uh, Mike first. Um, but just, uh, well, go ahead and then we'll see what we can say and not say during call of the public. Yeah. Um, go ahead. John, I feel Well, why don't we wait till the end of Yeah, that that is the end of call to the public. Okay. Yes. Okay.

I feel the distress. Do we have any jurisdiction here? Um, well, I know that the that that the town code enforcement has been working the the dumping or the the property maintenance issue, and that's that is sort of the the extent of the town's authority on on this issue. the, you know, the alleged mismanagement of the HOA or any other um issues, alleged fraud and and I heard some other things would really a civil matter uh between between the homeowners and the and the HOA management company or the HOA um you know, if there's truly fraudulent, you know, criminal fraudulent activity going on um they I I'm thinking, you know, they could bring it to law enforcement. Um you know, technically maybe that's all to PD, but that would you know, but the attorney general's office may also be a resource for for something like that if there's if there's tr you know, if you're alleging sort of criminal fraud going on, right? you know, civil fraud or or other uh you know, types types of disputes that are go that you know, would really be a civil matter between the homeowners and the and the and the management company.

Right, Shane?

Yeah, I I was thinking the same thing. Um I I know that I know that uh you know we're doing what we can on the code enforcement side of things and we all know that that's a process and there's there's you know there's steps as as that thing evolves and um and escalates. But that said, uh, you know, I don't know if the residents have come together. Maybe they can maybe they can draft a a collective letter to the attorney general's office and get some more guidance um, in terms of what their available outlets are on the legal side of things. Who knows, maybe the attorney attorney general's office would take that thing up um, if if it was drafted well enough and had some some substance behind it. I don't know, but I would I would suggest me looking at that.

Okay. Thank you. Yep.

Mike,

Billy, could I have followup on what the town's doing about the code enforcement on the dumping? I it I I don't know if our agenda allows us to go that far. Oh, after I think I think you know the staff should be able to email you sort of the the case, you know, what's been done, what what the case status is. As we've talked about before, code enforcement type cases or code compliance type cases are they're actually more complicated in terms of, you know, the process and the prosecution of them than than, you know, your kind of standard criminal case because there's just so much more involved in it. But um yeah, staff should be able to send an email to the to the whole fact send to the whole council like what the the status report of it is.

Yep. I'll I'll have Anna's team draft something up and send it out to you guys. Thank you. Thank you. Appreciate it. And I I'll be kind tonight. I thought we were closed, but I did get another uh call to the public. Sabrina um Butler since we were still within kind of the guise of call to the public.

Apologies to the council. Um thank you mayor. Thank you council members. My name is Sabrina Butler. I'm actually the vice president of the HOA for the Santaita Vistas. I've only been vice president for like a month. So, um my um time here is actually um there's a letter that just recently went out regarding um some improvements needed to make within the city um guidelines um to not get fined. And so, um I did want to come um to address the committee um and the council to really discuss um if we can get an extension on the timeline only because I've recently got there and um we will have to petition for a new contractor. So, the issue is our contractor isn't doing the work. So, we're getting fined for the work not getting done. Um, and it's really unfortunate. Um, the good news is we have um a more active community. So, I'm hoping um, you know, I've been really petitioning for extra meetings, etc., etc. So, we have a meeting this month on the 28th so that we can kind of discuss a real timeline um and um kind of hammer um a new development on having new contractors cuz it just has not been working. Um so my um request to speak was to um just address um the mayor and the council members for the extension um as we kind of restructure um our HOA so that we can still line with um SATA because again we do want a beautiful community. We want to make sure that that's in line. Um again I've been only vice president. I've only been on HOA for just like 2 months but um I've been really doing my best to make sure things have um turned a leaf. So um my position here just so people know that I am trying um but um I don't have the email that the HO or the city of Sarita said it go went to someone else um so this is just my ploy to say we are trying to

work on it um I have a meeting on the 28th to have like real timelines set um real deadlines real forms um completed and um hopefully um we can start bidding for new um landscaping. Thanks. And now unfortunately call the public. We can't get to a dialogue, but maybe the staff can add or talk with someone's waving in the back. Um, so come see the waving hand afterwards. Okay, perfect. Thank you so much. Thank you. Thanks for being here. Appreciate it.

Okay, that was all the cards I have. So, we'll close the call to the public and we're going to go to council member uh reports, but we're going to start off with the vice mayor and myself really quickly and we'll go down to the podium. How's that? So we can look at um Liz, do you want to join us up here? This is Liz Bardau. Bardau, right? Did I say it right?

Budro. Okay. I was like, I can't remember. So if you don't know Liz, you should get to know Liz. She's amazing. And um the town of Sorita has a a tradition now of challenge coins, but it's not just handing out the challenge coins, it's the wording behind it. So we're going to give that to the mayor to get you in just a minute. But I want to read why we give challenge coins and to whom.

Okay. Challenge coins are a long-standing tradition used to recognize service, commitment, and shared purpose. Originating in the military and adopted by civic organizations, challenge coins are small symbolic tokens to express gratitude and respect. In the town of Sarita, leaders share challenge coins as a personal gesture when someone they interact with has made a meaningful contribution to the town and its community. Coins may be given to residents, volunteers, partners, staff, or visitors whose actions reflect a service, inspire col. It's gone in my head. Say it. Collaboration. There we go. I was like, I was like, what is that word? Okay. And results in a positive impact on Sarita. Each coin represents recognition of effort, community values, and commitment and serves as a lasting reminder that individual contributions help shape Sarita's shared success. And Liz has been the at the forefront of helping us have a clean um Sarita. She is a powerhouse for that, but she's also just been a huge supporter of the town and is always here and always helping. So, we wanted the mayor and myself to give you a challenge coin. Thank you. Awesome. collaboration. I saw Paul

And um do we have can Dr. Gillespie can we hear him yet? I didn't know if I wanted to start I wanted to start with him if he had any comments. Dr. Gillespie, can you hear us? I guess he has no report. We'll go we'll go that way. Um Mr. Mayor, I am communicating via Teams with him. Okay. Yeah. So, if he does have something he wants, he can type it in and we can read it for you. That sounds good. Diane, any report on? Yes. Okay.

Talk about a segue. So uh at a previous council member, the council supported the idea of a keep sawarita be no a sawita beautiful beautifification coalition and uh I have been working with Liz Brjo with that regard and um next week yeah council member Lisk and I are going to be meeting with Liz Brujo and we're going a brainstorm and um put forth a letter to the other 58 members of this group that council member Lisk and I are a part of the civic craft leadership program that we're in. And I got permission from the leader of that program for us to contact the other members, which consists of other mayors and council members and vice mayors throughout Arizona to pick their brains about what beautifification pro projects they may or may not have in their communities to learn from them to not reinvent the wheel and perhaps come away with ideas for implementation here in Sabarita. So, what a segue. You could have planned it better. Beautiful.

Thank you. Uh Debbie,

Liz, remember when I told you I had something for you? That's what I had for you. You should have come down to this. I wasn't invited. But thank you. You're awesome. Um I want to give kudos to Parks and Wreck. Um they had a vendor event on Thursday, I think on the 5th. What a success that was. They had um the clerk's office was there. Uh victor's office was there. They had the the fire department was there, the health department was there kind of to educate the public on any of our events on how to get light business licenses, how to get permits, um the steps that they need to take, fees, and it was very veryformational. I just want to say kudos to parks and wreck um for doing that.

Great. Thank you. Always trying to improve, right? That's a good thing, Kim. Nothing.

Nothing. Um, I just had a couple um PD and I had a very uh informative and interesting tour of the Gospel Rescue Mission um that hope hopefully helps our officers know where to connect in resources um you know to break the cycle of homelessness or whatever it might be. So, I was really appreciative of that. kind of in that same light, the Frediccasta uh job center um had an open house just a week or so ago and I was able to attend that and all the good work that they do especially with you know disconnected youth and and such to um give them a path uh to prosperity and also I attended the um FEMA community college futures conference trying to look uh putting together I guess it would almost be their long range plan over the next 5 years on working with um communities and uh K12 school districts on how they can help and maybe um improve as they move forward. So, both all of those were really great informational events. Um uh Shane, did you have um anything? Oh, yeah. I'm sorry. I forgot you

I just have one small thing too actually. Um if you have not donated to the Sarita High School band, please consider doing that. Um you're getting there.

I know, but like we don't know what you could give. $50 or whatever, $100 just to help these kids out. And the other thing I wanted to recognize is for those that are um of Christian faith that celebrate Easter, there is a free concert, an inner faith concert. Um they are doing the Lamb of God if you've heard that musical. And uh it's free. It's at Sanita High School on uh March 27th and the 28th and the 29th. And um there's significant amount of me uh PE residents from our community that are participating in that. And so it's a wonderful event to um start out your Easter holiday if you celebrate. And and that was Santaita High School, you said. Let me make sure. Santaita Santa High School.

Yes. And if you just search Lamb of God Tucson, you'll get it. You got it. Okay. Thanks. Uh Shane, any quick updates?

Yes. Yes. Mr. Council, members of the Mr. members of the council. Um uh I know that I I think AC presented on the fact that uh once again we we're recipient of the uh GFOA's uh distinguished budget presentation award. Um I wanted to let you know that we got a letter from the government finance officers association um with yet another medallion to add to uh the plaque. Um and and I wanted to uh take the opportunity to express gratitude um to our finance team led by uh our only AC dire uh AC Mariotti, our finance director. Um they do a great job in putting this budget together every year. Uh we're lining up to do it once again with the upcoming budget and looking forward to that process with you. So, um, again, a shout out to our finance team for the work that they do. Um, wanted to make sure that you're aware on March 23rd, your meeting, uh, your next council meeting, March 23rd, we plan to present the annual employee awards at that meeting. It's always a fun event. Um, and we get to recognize, uh, employees that have been um, brought forward for consideration by their peers. So, I think that's uh, that's admirable. Uh also on the 23rd we are going to put in front of you the market study

um which you know evaluate everything from council all the way down um in the organization. Uh so that'll be put in front of the council for consideration and we look forward to that. Over the last couple of weeks we've been pushing that plan through the leadership team and the extended leadership team. Um so we're we're on on on track to get that in front of you guys on the 23rd. Um, and then I I also had the April 2nd announcement on the the the water discussion. I know that many of you guys have expressed interest and rightfully so in the the state of water uh for the community of Sawarita. I think this would be a great um educational session to to go to and to participate in. And I'm glad that it was uh it's being hosted here at the council chambers. I can't think of a better place for that. And then lastly, um RTA next is right around the corner. The election is it we're here and uh it's only a matter of time before we know the outcome how the voters voted. So, um uh I'm on the edge of my seat.

Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. And just for the council to know when he mentioned the second April, I think that's also when that um open meeting law training that you were talking about. I think that's the same day. So to you go from one to the other meeting. So just to be aware of that cuz I know a couple people. All the more reason to make that one virtual. Absolutely. And upstairs. And upstairs. Um um on there. And as Shane said, our next meeting is March 23rd. Uh next is item seven, which is our consent agenda. I'll entertain a motion at this time. So moved. Uh all in favor signify by I. I. I. Any opposed? Motion carries unanimously. Madame clerk, item number 8A,

discussion on possible action regarding an amendment number two to job order contract number 2500024 with Sunland Asphalt and Construction.

Thanks. And Nal Nalavali, our public works director, will present this item and hopefully tell us how we're going to fix all of our roads. And I'm assuming that Sunland Asphalt will be part of that solution. Good evening, Mr. Mayor, members of the council. Uh thank you very much for the for letting me uh present the uh the item before you tonight is the second amendment to the Sunland to the existing Sunland uh construction and contracting job order contract or GOC. Um, let me see. Cool. Uh, before I get into the SAS recommendation, I would like to give a quick refresher on what a JC is or a job order contract. Um, how it works and why we use it here in the town. So, what is a job order contract? So, a job order contract is a construction procurement method that's authorized under the Arizona vice statute 34601 to 34610. Um, we use this a lot here uh in public works to basically help move uh work move our projects along uh quickly. Uh the purpose of a JC is basically to avoid having to go through those uh lengthy bidding process. It helps us address uh time-sensitive projects kind of like our payment preservation program or if we have a design that's coming up and needs, you know, there's a due date that comes with it. So, that's where the JC comes into play. It's designed for speed, consistency, and transparency. The we the JOC allows us to basically use one contract on to to issue multiple

or you know many different uh job orders on on that contract. So um so compared to a design bid build uh construction manager at risk design build a JC is a tool that we use for uh smaller projects that are occurs often or very frequently and then that are also timesensitive. So to set up a JC, uh usually we would issue a request for proposals or an RFP. Um that RFP goes out to the contractors which they submit their qualifications, experience, and their pricing approach to that GOC services that we're requesting proposals on. The evaluation of those proposals are not based on the low bit that we're actually looking at the qualifications. So our goal here is to basically build a list of re reliable prevetic contractors that we can partner with on the numerous job orders that we have. Uh a good example of it will be our payment preservation right here. Uh with the item that you have before you uh we're asking for a not to exceed amount of uh $3 million for a period of 2 years for Sunland Construction and Contracting to come in and help out with our payment preservation program. We already uh have started our payment preservation program for this year and we've partnered with them uh hence the reason I'm here asking for additional capacity in the contract that we have right now with some contract. So selecting contractors, multiple contractors may uh be awarded to create our JOC list. Awards are based on capability, past performance and capacity. And then having more than one contractors, it gives us options and it also keeps

the uh geo job order process competitive. The more contractors we have, the competitive the pricings we get from their proposals. So this is uh keep in mind that a contract does not guarantee work. So, even if we were to have a contract, let's say, with the contractor for $1.5 million or whatever the amount is, that contract might never uh we may never end up using that contract cuz the contractor that we would select for a job order uh or job orders, um they're the best suit or the best fit for those uh jobs that we're needing to get uh uh work done on. Um so each job order uh it depends on the contractor's fit uh for the work that needs to be done, the project timing, uh the contractor availability, the different uh skills or or uh the specialized skills that's needed for to complete the work, the workload schedule workload and schedule alignment. Um this actually the JC actually allows us to uh basically pick the right contractor for each uh for each job uh job order. So best fit for each job.

So it's basically a pre-approval but not necessarily a guarantee. That is correct. Future work.

That is correct. So once we have our list of uh job uh order contractors uh established and then we have a project that needs moving forward, we would develop a scope of work to go with that project. That scope of work gets sent out to the the prevetted list of contractors that we have on our GOC. They provide us a cost proposal based on what we have uh in place with them. And then after the evaluation process a two things would happen. Either we issue one a single purchase order to a single contractor for that scope of work or purchase orders to multiple contractors for different portions of that scope of work. So a good thing to keep in mind is that each job order and must be approved individually. So um in short uh JC is a good tool that we use for uh jobs that you know or it helps out with our maintenance uh project program and for smaller pro uh programs that we have. Um it uh we actually use it along with the other uh procurement methods and uh it's it's nice to be able to have that list so that way you know we're not wasting our time or putting a lot of time into going out and looking for other contractors every time we need uh you know uh to do a project. So, uh, with that overview, uh, I'd like to turn back to the item before you and the staff recommendation. Staff is recommending your approval of the item. And, uh, with that, I'll be more than happy to answer any questions that you may have.

Thanks. I didn't really have one on the the jock itself, but where can we go or anybody go to know where where the next roads are? um where the next roll out will be whether it's uh crack ceiling or fog ceiling or milling overlay is is there some place cuz I get asked a lot of when's this neighborhood or this collector road or this intersection um going to be done? It's a excellent question mayor. Uh we're actually working right now on our 5-year payment. We're updating that uh 5-year uh payment restoration program. Uh we're looking forward that presenting that to Marian Council at our budget retreat coming up uh April. Great.

So it's uh uh Carlos and our GIS team are um working hard on it and uh you'll be very happy the to know that we're looking at our new philosophy right now with our payment preservation program is to um use it. you know, we're we're trying to use our uh public dollars uh accordingly and properly. So, we're um looking at keeping up with our new roads and then maintaining our older roads and then once we get those older roads get to a point where we need to go in there and mill an overlay, it will help us uh you know continue keeping that lifespan for those roads uh in in OCI or overall condition index.

No, thanks. And I've been through multiple presentations on um the cost, you know, if you can do crack seal and then fog seal. Um it's pennies today to save dollars in the future. That is correct. From Milan overlay. So um I'll be excited, you know, to to see that. Um we're very excited for it to

Yeah. I I was driving around not too long ago and it was when the flags were out or you know 244 flags and I'm driving down and the pre-emergent was sprayed in the medians and the turn the new turn signal was here and I'm like just now we just need crack ceiling and then you know my job is done we we didn't like it. Uh um we we took it to heart when one of our residents was comparing our roads to the city of Tucson roads. Um we're looking forward to um you know making sure to keep up with our our uh pavement maintenance. So uh that's one one thing that we take pride on and uh we're proud of our community. We want to make sure that we keep it the way it is.

Yeah. Thank you. Appreciate that very much. I want um and you know talk about pride in the community. They should have brought this up earlier but Safe Wise just named us the fifth safest community in Arizona. Um so forgot to put that on my report but the number five. Um, yep. Oro Valley and us were in the top five. Um, so very proud of that and thanks to the PD and quality of life and that goes to roads and this. Um, do you have questions for Nalo before I entertain a motion? Yes, Diane. So, is this Mike?

Is this for a specific job or is this to add on some some land asphalt and construction as a vetted company should they be needed to work on the roads? Uh C council member Prio uh very good question. Uh this is for both. Uh we actually have an existing contract with Sunland uh construction and contracting. We're adding capacity to it and then we're kind of looking at the long-term side of it. Uh our goal is to be as efficient as possible. The less we uh the the the more we have available uh the less we need to uh to go through the procurement process and the bidding side of it. And I'm assuming in a lot of cases if you have one and you have multiple projects there's economies of scale brought to it there's one deployment as opposed to multiple deployments. Yeah. Thank you.

Thank you. Any other questions? Shane, did you want to comment at all other than um very excited about this? Very excited to see when our next budget retreat. And at this time I'll entertain a motion. I move to approve amendment number two to the Joocc number 2500024. We have a motion and a second. Any further discussion? All in favor signify by I. I. Any opposed? Thanks. Thank you, Mayor. Thanks for the continual work that you guys are doing to keep our community looking quality. Thank you, sir. Appreciate it.

U Madame Clerk, item 8B. Item 8B is being continued to the meeting of 3:23. So we're moving to item 8 C which is the discussion and possible action of the town of Sadita strategic plan 2026 to 2030.

Thank you. And I see Victor making his way. So Victor Gonzalez, our economic development and communications director will introduce and present this item. Good evening Victor. Good evening Mr. Command members of council, I do not have PowerPoint slides. So, uh it's not a death by PowerPoint presentation this evening on the strategic plan. Uh but you should have in front of you a copy of uh the report which is the strategic plan 2026 to 2030 shaping Salita's future. Uh so if you recall we met uh back in November 24th uh as well let me pause there. Do you have the copy of the plan in front of you? No,

I do. Oh, on on your computer. Yes. Yo, you techie you. Thank you.

Okay. Um, that was included as an attachment in the package. So, not sure what would happen there. Uh, so I guess this is going to be uh death by me talking and articulating the plan itself. Uh but as you recall, we met uh in uh November 24th uh here in this council of chambers and we spent maybe about half a day walking through what has been our strategic plan over the last several years. Uh that plan rooted in uh a number of uh focus areas uh that include economic um expansion and opportunities, communication, public infrastructure. Uh there was also a community well-being and organizational effectiveness. Uh so those were uh the focus areas at the time. Uh so we spent some time uh going through each of those uh really as a means to uh revise and see if those focus areas uh still hold true for the organization. Um so really the strategic plan serves as a roadmap to guide right the community and the growth uh the investments that we want to make uh as an organization and um the plan itself is is not necessarily uh a bulletpoint list of of uh u aspirational goals. Uh but again the plan itself just lays out uh what is the north star right those areas uh it also establishes what our our mission is right so uh our mission which we have in the uh in the back also there is something we can reference this evening in this presentation but right our mission uh as it's stated uh for us is

um right that the town is dedicated to being a vibrant innovative and a diverse community with exceptional municipal and fiscal leadership, public safety, amenities, and economic prosperity that creates an outstanding qualified for all. Uh, and that's a a worthwhile mission uh that still holds true uh even today and as we move forward as as an organization. Uh, so the strategic plan uh is the plan for the next four years uh 2026 through 2013. Um the plan itself has the mission statement which I reference has the focus areas uh and then key objectives. Key objectives um uh not necessar necessarily uh you know uh smart goals but objectives in which guide right our ability to get to to the vision which is the uh focus areas. Uh so these focus areas are uh first and foremost economic expansion and placemaking. Uh so this focus area is focused on uh strategic public and private investment uh in targeted areas that drives economic prosperity and growth. how we get there, right? Those are the objectives uh and year over year. Uh that is going to vary what the day-to-day looks like uh for us to be able to achieve the objectives and then the objectives uh the means and the building block for us to uh achieve you know the the focus area and that aspirational uh definition of that. But here are some key objectives uh that were defined as a collective group back in November uh for this focus area. Uh the first one is develop and market commercial employment sites. So uh again the ability for us to bring in industry is to market the community uh market the uh commercial

and employment sites uh whether that's land whether that's existing uh uh building and real estate. uh and all that as a means for um to bring in investment uh which generates uh jobs uh wages uh and ultimately uh increases uh our tax base uh as a community. Uh a second objective is to streamline development review processes to improve improve predict predictability and reduce barriers uh to investment. Uh so a big part of uh that we have in uh assuring that we have investment in economic development is the process of uh permitting projects. And although uh we are governed by certain um you know statutes and regulations and building codes uh and processes um we are always looking at how we can be even more uh efficient in that process. And so that objective just calls um that for us to to keep in mind. I won't go through the rest of the objectives um but just wanted to share a couple in the economic expansion and placemaking. The second uh focus area is the outreach and communications. Uh and so this is really um right um the way that's defined it creates ways for town council and staff to communicate and create effective partnership uh and engage with residents and businesses fostering a greater perception of transparency while creating ways to enhance community uh and bring various neighborhoods together. essentially um you know our ability to communicate, our ability to be transparent uh uh enhances uh our residents uh trust in local government. Uh but also uh there's so

much good being done as an organization, so much good that's happening in the community. And so we should be focusing on how we communicate to our residents uh all the good that's happening. uh we communicate uh what happens in this council chambers uh by way of town council business uh but also uh how we uh conduct outreach and I see outreach really as a two-way engagement uh with residents uh we currently have the uh resident survey that's out now um and so we're pushing that through social media uh post postcards will be mailed out to residents uh this week and so they should receive that um uh by the end of the week, early next week where they'll have the QR code and they'll be able to access that survey. But that's that's outreach. That's us trying to understand uh the residents uh and uh how we're doing it, but also as a means to collect uh feedback and and what they uh may want to see that we're not necessarily um uh paying attention to. And so a couple of the objectives in the outreach and communication uh first is to expand opportunities for residents to participate in town decision uh making through routine digital and in-person engagement uh town council meetings is an opportunity uh to engage as well as citizen surveys uh as I mentioned uh and then one of the parts uh that we are going to look forward to doing more so is one of the objectives that calls out strengthening volunteer uh committees to improve training, recruitment uh and uh clarify roles. This is really how we as an organization could uh develop more of this type of activities. Um whether it's, you know, staff volunteering in

the community through a number of uh nonprofit organizations or maybe us as an organization uh taking on uh the reigns uh and bringing in um you know residence groups uh to help help us uh with um you know whether it's beautifification or other initiatives that we may have as a town. Moving on to the third uh focus area and that's infrastructure and facilities. Um so uh this focus area is defined as building and maintaining public infrastructure. Uh all things roads, parks, facilities that serve the basic needs of our community and getting various neighborhoods uh together. Um we take great pride uh as as you all know and as we've sat around uh whether in um the retreats uh during this process or during um budget retreats. Uh but certainly the common theme in in those retreats is our roads, our parks, our facilities. How do we maintain the quality of our roads? How do we enhance our parks? And so rightly rightly so having infrastructure and facilities as a focus area uh is is important. And so uh a number of objectives in this focus area is um exactly that. It's number one maintain expand modernize transportation systems utilities right all things that connect our our community uh that help move uh residents from point A to point B. but also our our ability uh to deliver services uh to our residents uh whether that's wastewater uh solid waste or working through our our partners on the utility side to deliver those services. Uh and then ultimately um right uh one other objective is to prioritize and strengthen uh the

planning and management of town owned assets. Um, and that's just looking ahead. Uh, how do we, uh, take what we have, um, whether it's, uh, you know, assets such as our roads, but also facilities, uh, and plan for the future, uh, to be able to support, uh, that growth. Um, the other focus area, community well-being. Uh, and that speaks to enhancing the quality of life in our community through services and amenities. This is really a reflection of who we are as an organization and as a community. It's through partnership uh connecting with uh number of agencies are in our community. And so this focus area really reflects uh our attention to not only us as uh a government body and providing the bas basic services but also uh through our partnership with organizations how we uh invest in the community well-being. And so a number of objectives uh are listed there. Um one of which has to do with maintaining staffing levels. uh if we can um right be staffed appropriately then we're in a better position to deliver uh the services to a growing population. Um when we start to look at providing inclusive accessible recreation, culture and community programs, uh that just speaks to the um resident population and acknowledging that there's diversity within that population um in a number of ways. And so uh looking at how as we plan and our facilities uh it provides that uh accessibility uh but also um you know as a reflection of who we are as a community uh and its diversity. Uh and then finally right one of the objectives number five is continuously enhance the choir of life by ensuring community

programs um and are uh financially geographically and programmatically accessible. Um that speaks to uh what uh it's kind of self-stated there in terms of um the programs and activities that we want to provide uh also is representative of our community and that we're able to do so uh in a um in a way that in which we're we're good stewards. And then finally the last uh focus area for your strategic plan it's high performance organization. uh equally as important as the other focus areas. And this is really about looking uh internally uh at our organization and ensuring that uh we are uh performing uh to the best of our ability uh that we're being efficient. And so um uh I really like how this is defined uh because it really speaks to cultivating a service first culture. Uh so as employees, as elected officials, um I believe that we're called to be servants uh of what we've been asked to steward. And so if we take a service first culture uh then uh we are are being uh good u stewards of what we've been given and uh and so right uh that culture uh is is embedded. And then as we look to um recruit, as we look to grow the organization by establishing this culture uh and this this model, right, we can um bring in um employees and candidates that uh could help us become this this highly performing organization. A number of objectives listed uh in this focus area uh has to do with operational, right? So ensuring

that our systems are uh modernized uh that we have the technology and equipment uh that allows us to be uh efficient uh and uh be much more productive and provide that level of service. uh when it comes to fiscal planning, operational efficiency, uh that just speaks to uh being extremely mindful uh that uh we need to be good stewards and so we need to uh be fiscally responsible and and plan accordingly. Uh and then ultimately right uh number five and key objectives for this focus area is that we enhance internal and external customer service. Uh at the end of the day um at least for many of our departments uh it's it's really measured by the level of service. Uh so local government doesn't produce a widget. We don't manufacture. Um we're very good at uh interpreting code and establishing policy and and and and the regulatory side of things. But at the end of the day, uh it's our level of service that we have uh that um uh residents can can can see uh whether that service is good or bad. And so uh this focus area for higher performization is um you know as important as as infrastructure and the others. Uh so with that that's an overview of the five focus areas. Uh I apologize for uh not having slides or anticipating the uh the pack uh the the report being in your packet, but happy to answer any questions you might have. Uh thank you. Any questions for Victor? I know we've gone over this um and had multiple meetings um on uh this. Shane, thank thank you. And I wanted to thank Victor. Uh it is in the council packet if you know if uh you wanted to pull that up on your computers, but I did put it up on the screen a little little

late, but I got it up here. Um I apologize about that as well. But you recall the it was it this was a timely um uh address of a strategic plan that we needed to um update because of our priority based budgeting efforts,

right? Um the the previous plan uh had had objectives that were very very very narrow and difficult to as an organization come together to support. And so um through the council's efforts with our facilitator um we have these objectives under the key focus five focus areas that Victor just went over. And this is going to lend a um a very helpful hand to staff as we as we push uh your upcoming budget through the priority based budgeting system in terms of scoring and alignment with our core values. So, and I know this was more of an adjustment. Um, do you you think in a couple of years, I know you have to get through the priority based budgeting before we'll have a full-blown um strategic plan um update um or redo as a whole. We did reset the clock on this, okay, for another another four years. Okay. Um, that said, just like we did this one, we didn't quite make it to 28, right? And and there was a good reason for it. If we come across another good reason, we'll definitely bring that back in front of you guys to, you know, to either overhaul completely or surgically adjust as we did this one.

Okay. Thanks. Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Yes. I just have one thing. Um, thank you, Victor, and all those that were part of this. This was a seriously heavy lift and we appreciate the the end product that we have here. And I'd like to just mention that all of us made it in there. Um, all this at this table made it into the plan. And the mayor must be the favorite one cuz he got in it three times. Oh, okay. Of course. Very last one is all of us. Oh, thank you. Thank you for pointing that out. Yeah. Um, you're love. Thank you. Um, this require action, Shane? Uh, yeah, we have it in front of you. It would be helpful and necessary actually formally to um I'll entertain a motion to adopt it.

Adopt it as presented. I would say do you want me to go or? Yes. Okay. Mr. Mayor. Yes. I move the council adopt the plan as presented today. Second. We have a motion, a second. Any further discussion? All in favor signify by I. I. Any opposed? Thanks. Thank you. Thanks for the team. Uh, madame clerk, item nine or 9A, I guess, to be specific.

It's study session regarding the 2024 International Building Codes 2023 National Electric Code and proposed local amendments. Uh, thank you. Anna Cassidy, our community development director, will introduce the item and welcome Robbie Erin from Michael Baker International. Nope, not down. Um, I'll have Anna present and introduce. Thanks for being here.

Thank you, Mayor Murphy, members of the council. I am here tonight to give you what we're calling a deep dive, but it it's if you're a scuba diver, it's not a certified dive. is discover scuba. So, we don't want to get too far into the weeds, but we are going to talk about some of the highlights of the changes that are coming up with the 2024 building codes and the local amendments. I have here with me Jesus Prato. He is our plans examiner, building inspector, and he has been a major point person on this project. Andrew Parkin unfortunately had a pre-planned vacation today so he's not able to join us but we do have Brian Turiff in the audience. He is our third party building official. So if anything technical comes up we've got Brian to help us out.

Thanks. And I heard Victor present just before this on you know talking about uh being friendly regulatory wise and easier faster cheaper. So hopefully um that you know what he said before will align with what you're going to say now. Yes sir. And we also got David Gadleski in the audience from Saba to make sure that we are staying true to that mantra and I always appreciate his presence. Thank you David. Yes I know he's got a busy schedule so we appreciate his time and unlike Victor I do have death by PowerPoint. That's okay.

Okay so I'll give you a little bit of background on code adoptions. The building codes are a model code and they are prepared by the international code council or ICC. They roll out a new set of codes every 3 years. Our approach and the approach of most of our um other jurisdictions in Arizona is to adopt every other code cycle. The reason for this is that by adopting every other code cycle, we ensure predictability and consistency for the developers which is important. But if you go longer than every other code cycle, there's a a big jump in order to catch up with changes in technology, materials, and life safety standards. So that every 6 years or so seems to be how we thread that needle in a in a an appropriate fashion. So currently we're on the 2018 codes and our objective is to adopt the 2024 I codes and the 2023 National Electric Code with local amendments. The reason why we adopt these codes is to address modern safety hazards, materials, and techniques. We also get rated by the ISO every few years. And by having the most recent codes, we keep our ISO ratings in a good place. I can't remember if a high number is good or if a low number is good. Low is good. So, we keep our ISO ratings low to help keep resident insurance premiums low. And the local amendments are really important because like I said, these are model codes and they they're looked at on a an international lens. So we want to take a salad specific lens to those codes and make sure that we're doing what's right for our town. A lot of what you'll see in our local amendments is administrative or clarifications. So where we'reing sections, clarifying definitions. So what looks like a long list, a lot of it is really just clarifications.

So, we've been working on this for about a year. We started reviewing code changes back in March of 25. We've identified a set of local amendments. We came to you for a study session in September of 25 where we gave you an overview of the process. We then went into the stakeholder engagement phase in September and October of last year. So, we offered inperson and virtual meetings to our stakeholders. And then we went to the board of appeals. The board of appeals isn't a required part of this process, but we felt it was an important part of this process. And for those of you who don't know, the board of appeals is a unique board in this town because you don't have to be a resident to be on the board. It's a group of technical experts. So, we have not implemented a residency requirement because we want to make sure that we're focusing on the technical expertise for these board members. Right? So we went to the board of appeals in October and November. We've been working with the department of law for legal review and ordinance drafting which is complete. We also presented to the Saba technical committee in January of this year and we're here tonight with your study session. We'll be back again on April 6th hopefully for adoption. And then we'll have a 60 to 90day post adoption period for implementation and training. And that really allows the the designers and the um the folks who are involved in creating plans to make that adjustment. So I won't read all these out loud. Uh the codes that are listed on your screen, we refer to as the eye code suite. So when you hear us talk about the eye codes, this is a long list of them. And anytime that we talk to our stakeholders about adopting the codes, the first question that we get and the one that I'm going to address right away is, are you adopting the new energy

code? And the answer to that question is no, not at this time. So, what the other jurisdictions in southern Arizona have done was originally with their adoptions, they stuck with the 18 code, which is what we're planning to do. Some of them have since adopted the 24 energy code. We're not planning on doing that right now. Sometimes we like to be on the cutting edge. This is a case where we don't want to be. So, we'll let things play out in the other jurisdictions, see how it goes, see how it goes over the stakeholders, and then at a later date, we'll think about it. But right now, we're just going to stick with the 2018 energy code. So, I'll take over Anna for for a quick overview of what the uh code amendments entail. It's uh like she mentioned very brief. Um as far as the 2018 code for residential uh the new focus used to be uh balance and convenience while ensuring safety. Um when the 2024 came around, one of the key uh parameters that uh was brought up was the removal of a of an outlet in the island, kitchen island. We decided to uh remain with the 2018 uh requirements for for safety while adding a little bit of more convenience. As you can see in the illustration there, uh you are now given the option to do the popup um electrical outlet and give a designers a little bit more option and convenience when it comes to uh the electrical outlets without necessarily doing an outright removal of the requirements. You want to get to the next kitchen,

right? Um I'll just say really quick, thank you from someone that just remodeled their kitchen. Thank you. Thank you. And I can't imagine having it where you have no power on an island with all the appliances and things that you do. So, I appreciate the thoughtfulness um in looking at that. You have an extension cord that goes from the wall. Yeah. That'll be safe. Right.

Right. And that's why that in the 2018 code, they required those kitchen island outlets was to avoid that exact situation where you're stretching an extension cord across a walkway. Right. But in the 24 code, we thought they maybe went a little too far. So the the second question we get after we get through the question about the energy code is what about kitchen island power? And I I think we've arrived at a solution that Y thanks balances convenience and safety in an appropriate manner.

Right. So, middle housing, you heard me talk about this just a couple of weeks ago, so I won't talk too much about it, but what we are proposing is to incorporate some provisions for middle housing into the IRC local amendments. That would allow us to classify triplexes and forplexes under the IRC instead of the commercial code. The benefit of that being a reduced construction cost of over 20% and we're also at the same time supporting general plan policies for future stock of affordable housing. And along with this middle housing amendment, we are proposing adoption of the appendix that has to do with sound transmission.

One of the key amendments we also decided to uh focus on was the wind design criteria being adjusted back to 105. The 2018 code had two differing wind speeds which was causing issues with uh with designers and need additional clarification. So we went ahead and did the original alignments and bump bumped it down to 105 so that we would remain consistent. In addition to that, we also uh opted to uh adopt the appendix BK which is allows for copper construction and appendix BM which allows for a 3D printed construction. Copper construction is is a um is an option that is provided for uh for eco-friendly uh options that uh designers can can go through and uh 3D printed construction is in in the lens for the future. You know uh the contractors are going to have the availability to use printing the machinery to create their homes. As far as the IVC, uh most the bulk of it was mainly renumbering of sections, which is common when uh switching from different um renditions of the code, and most of it is alignment with the uh Sanita Fire District uh and their IFC already adopted codes.

I'll talk a little bit about the IFC. And one of the things that's different since the last time we adopted codes is that with the 2018 codes, we had the two different fire service providers in the towns. We had Rural Metro and we had Green Valley Fire, each of which had their own fire code and then the town had our own fire code. So we had three different fire codes at play. And now with Sanorita Fire, we have the single service provider. We have an IGA with Sanorita Fire and a strong collaborative relationship. So what we did when we approached the IFC was we had several meetings with personnel from Sanorita Fire, very productive, very good conversations and we went through the fire code that they had adopted at the Sanantaorita Fire District and we talked through the amendments that we were looking at and we were really looking for agreement between our two fire codes and we found it through conversation um lots of good talks about intent. We really didn't have a lot of differences that were substantive. Most of it was having to do with wording and clarity. So, we did arrive at a fire code that we both liked and Sanriita Fire is actually making changes to theirs based on the conversation because it it is that kind of a partnership. So, we're really excited about that. One of the things that I thought was a highlight in the IFC for the development community was that the fire code has some requirements for secondary access to subdivisions. And it does have an exception that's listed. It's a little bit vague, but it talks about the fire marshall allowing exceptions to secondary access if there's the possibility of a future connection, but it doesn't give the fire marshall much guidance as to when it's appropriate to grant that exception or not. So, it really depends on who your fire marshall is. And there have been times in the past where fire marshals have granted it and then the economy crashes and subdivisions sit there for

over a decade without secondary access. And then the next fire marshall comes in and says, "No way am I going to let that happen on my watch." So then they don't grant any exceptions. So what we did was we tried to really spell out what are some things that the fire marshall should be looking for and things that we can do to allow those exceptions. but with guard rails and that provides predictability to the development community as well as guidance to the fire marshall to feel comfortable making those decisions. part of the host uh suites is also the IMC which uh kind of aligns with the the rest of the suite of codes where most of the changes were reumbering and fixing of definitions in all in uh an effort for consistency and regional alignment. One of the key additions, however, was the marijuana related occupancies, which now requires facilities to use industrial ventilation and filtration systems to prevent odors from escaping. And we kind of did this in uh trying to get ahead of the of the uh of the issue of marijuana related occupancies and uh have something in play for when that starts happening if at all in the town. The fuel and gas code uh there were luckily no significant changes so we were able to adopt as is the international plumbing code again reumbering of sections for clarity of definitions and regional alignments as well as the international pool and spa code. Um the addition with the addition w of the alignment of statutes the international property maintenance code again uh renumbering sessions sections

uh clarifying of definitions and we added the the requirement of the duty to clean and secure vacant bu vacant buildings and structures and a section that allows us to ensure safety of vacant buildings altogether. Anna, would this be the one where we had a present um couple comments earlier in the night um that would have some teeth in it for um the issue that was addressed to us? Is this the area that it would fall under?

That's a great question, Mayor Murphy. And to answer that question, the IPMC, it relates to title 8 of the town code. So we already have title 8 in the town code that talks about nuisance properties, litter, trash. Um this IPMC comes into play when we start talking about securing vacant buildings. So um we make sure that also if a a say a property is demolished that it's secured, it's fenced off. So they they work hand in hand to keep properties safe and clean.

Thanks. One of the the new additions to the uh suite of codes for the town of Sawita is the international existing building code which ensures that renovations and additions to older buildings are safe without forcing owners to meet the standard of building a uh brand new home in its entirety. And that was an addition to allow uh the communication between the codes now that we're starting to get existing buildings and remodels. Great.

And lastly would be the reumbering and uh redefinition of the of the NEC for clarification. The NC it's entirely there's there's not much changes to that aside from the reing. So we adopting as it as is.

So like I said we had conducted stakeholder feedback. Saba has been generally supportive. We value the relationship that we have with the Saba group. We are still communicating on one question. They had asked a clarifying question regarding vapor barriers. So, we are still in conversations about that. I'm confident that we will find common ground there. It's not we're not miles apart on this. We just need to work out a few details. So, we will get there before April 6th. That'd be nice to see generally go away and be Saba supported.

Yes. out of all of the code amendments that we have, there was only one item that they had requested followup on. So, we we are going through with that process and we'll find common ground. Like I said, I'm confident it's not a complicated issue. Um, next steps are we will be back on April 6th for your consideration for adoption. And then as part of that ordinance, we'll be talking about the implementation and training period. I'm probably going to recommend that we do an implementation on July 1 just because it's a a nice date for us with it being a new fiscal year. And with that April 6th date, that also gives the about a 3-month period for the development community to adjust to the new codes.

We could do July 4th for the 250th anniversary instead of July 1. Whatever the council prefers is okay with me. Just throwing that out there. And then we'll open it up for discussion and questions.

Thanks. Um I'll just kick it off. I I just remember years ago when I first was on the council and this came to us and I just thought you had to oh it's coming down from a high right you know from the lobbyist in DC and you had to just sort of you know adopt it wholeheartedly and then I I learned I had a meeting years ago with Christian Price the mayor of Maricopa City who happened to come from the development community and he's like oh no we go through this and we look at it and then it has to fit our you know our town and the considerations of affordability which is a lot of conversations that we have on affordability. So if you go for full adoption, right, we could go crazy. You know, mandatory 220 outlets for everybody, every home to have electric cars. Well, we don't have everybody home that has electric car or mandatory rainwater harvesting. So I love when we're doing encouraging things, but not mandatory things. And um because I sit through many conferences on the cost of regulation, government regulation, and the cost of a new home, and it just sort of keeps going up, which from my perspective goes against what we're trying to do on balance safety with affordability, right? Um um so um I've learned over the years that I and I appreciate um the stewardship and actually I like to be first and fastest in most things but when it comes to these kinds of things when you're adopting having others go first and you find out whoa that you know there was an intent but the way it was written isn't positive necessarily. So, you know, watching some before us before we go wholesale on some of these adoptions are, you know, I think is is beneficial. So, um I know staff knows kind of our mindset. So, I really appreciate the willingness to um obviously work with groups like Saba and MPA um to try to

make us, you know, affordable uh and safe at the same time, but a lot of cost of the new home is in government regulation, right? And all those types of things. Um, so any other thoughts? So this is the study session kind of the last opportunity to kind of weigh in. Diane,

Mike, I think I have three things. I I'll start with the last one first. You showed under the property maintenance code vacant buildings, you showed a photo of the trash outside on the curb. that. So, is it in the code that they have to clean that up? I'm looking at Liz Budro. Or just call Liz. Yeah.

Yes. Mayor Murphy, Council Member Polo. That is in the code. And that that part's actually covered in Title 8. We had a hard time finding a picture that matched the slide, but the trash on the curb is covered in Title 8. I think what we were trying to show with the photo is this looks like it's an abandoned home that's being cleaned out maybe to be renovated or demolished. But that Okay. But that would not be a situation on our streets. Correct. That would be cleaned up as required by our code. Shane, I'd like to put a shameless plug in though for uh a service that we're providing um through our solid waste service and that's the

the scheduled bulky pickup. So, a a property owner like this has the opportunity to schedule curbside bulk pickup as part of the rate that they're already paying that's there and available uh today. Thanks. Thank you. Who knows? Yeah, maybe that's what that I I don't know, but that was pretty solid waste.

Let's go a cup half full. Yeah, that's what that is. That's just somebody wanted to take advantage of our curbside bulky pickup. Okay. My second question about the fire code and the secondary access being up to the fire marshall that you fine-tuned it so it's clearer to the fire marshall and there's consistency through the years as the fire marshall changes. Ju just help me to understand something. Can the fire marshall approve um a a community without a secondary access road? Is there wiggle room for that? Yes. Yes. Mayor Murphy, Council Member Polo, the the code does allow that exception. And what the additional language that we wrote into the local amendments does is it gives the fire marshall items to consider if they're going to approve this exception. However, if there's a situation that arises that for whatever reason is more compelling to allow it, it the wiggle room is still there, but we've created some guidance. Okay. And then um the last one has to do with energy conservation. You said that you did you wanted to remain with the 2018 code. Could you give me some examples about what you mean by energy conservation in this context?

Do you have examples of things that were included in the in the Can you step up to the mic and talk about the 24 energy code? Yeah, okay. Thank you. Maybe some of the overreaches that would have come in the 24 one as opposed to in the I think that's where the question's coming from that.

Thank you uh honorable mayor and and council members for allowing me to speak. Um yeah, the the 24 code um they really complicated um how it actually operates. They've given a lot of parameters and additional opportunities to the designer. Um but but unfortunately in doing so the complexities for a plan reviewer or somebody within the jurisdiction to be able to determine what they're trying to accomplish um is is extremely difficult. you would have to have um a tople plan reviewer. Uh too many things would be missed. I think and I think that would be grievous to the to the you know the property owner in the end because cost might go up. Um as I I kind of use the analogy that under the 2018 code, you could put a bullet hole through the side of the building and still meet energy code.

That would no longer happen with the 24 code. I'm not saying it's a bad code. I think there's they they have actually found that there's um discrepancies within the book and that's not a good scenario. You can't go to one chapter and then go to the other chapter and say, "Well, what are they talking about here? It's it's it's too complicated, right? And it and it's conflicting each other." Um the 18 code, in my opinion, was a a very solid code. My recommendation was to stay with the 18 because it's a very solid code. It's not a very expensive building code. um you had opportunities to go uh conditionic which would be a little bit more expensive but you also don't have to. You could do prescriptive right out of the code book. Um so I don't know if that fully answers your question but but that the 24 code the complexities um I I think they just try they went over the top with it.

You know you're saying something came out of DC that was very complicated and over the top and an example? No, no, I'm just Yeah. No, I mean I could give you an example, but it would quickly go over the I think maybe the capability. It was a physicious plan. Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I'm reading in between the lines, the 2024 code perhaps had a lot of the Green New Deal kind of stuff in there. Not not so much green. Um the the examples would be um energy efficiency, right? Like if you're going to put an R38, which would be the energy value in the attic, right? Right.

They've gone to like R49. Most of our Arizona homes don't even have a roof pitch high enough to accommodate the R38, right? So what what does a builder do? What does the inspector do at that point, right? It it to be able to accommodate that. Then they say, "Okay, well, if you can't do that, then we'll make tradeoffs. put in better windows or triple pane windows or more argon and then if you take that but you still have to meet this other section and it it's it's it's super complicated. It's it's a I I think to to your point Anna it's a book that needs to wait till the next code cycle to let them shake out the the you know a lot of the issues that are that are in there. So, I'm not sure fully answers because the green section is

it's a much deeper code book, too, with that with going green. I I think I get the idea. Yeah, maybe they passed it before they read it. I don't know. Possibility. Well, they almost didn't roll out the 24 energy code because of the complexities and the complications within the book and then the discrepancies, but they rolled it out anyway. And in my opinion, they should have they should have done either a little bit more work, but that's my opinion only. there are there are jurisdictions that are adopting it and they will let you know we'll let them figure it out for us and save us a lot of headaches and when we're ready just on the next code cycle adopt it right yeah I think the 18 code is a very viable excellent code in my opinion so thanks for letting me speak

sounds like it was a good absolutely thank you did that take care of your questions Daniel okay anybody else no so it sounds like we're on the right track thanks Anna Uh thanks Saba for working with Anna and coming to a resolution and generally going away uh at the end of the day. Um any wrap-up comments Shane? That means no. Having no more further business, we're ajourned. up here today and I'm going to keep